How Much Do Missing Episodes Affect The Watchability Of The Second Doctor Era For Younger Fans?

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  • @dylanlarge11
    @dylanlarge11 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I'm 23, it's never effected me and I really enjoy Troughton

  • @Jake-E
    @Jake-E ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I would show them The Three Doctors if I tried to get someone into the 2nd Doctor.
    It’s colour, it’s complete, it’s good fun and it introduces them to multiple other Doctors so they can see their personalities and take their pick of who they wanna watch :)

  • @mohammadghailan1807
    @mohammadghailan1807 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    funny. as a teenager, I never actually had trouble with any of Troughton's missing episodes and watching recons, even for the First Doctor. Even when I first saw them, I basically was able to suspend my disbelief and see the stories for the masterpieces a lot of them really were. (tbh I mostly just stuck it out through the bad effects and tele snaps because of my love for the show as a whole, LOL) To this day, Troughton and Hartnell are my 6th and 7th favorites, respectively.

  • @gregorwhyte3743
    @gregorwhyte3743 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Fury is the only fully animation I’ve really enjoyed ducks from the projectiles thrown ( not seen evil yet )

    • @AnotherScifiGuy
      @AnotherScifiGuy  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Fury is the only animation I dislike so far (well and web ep 3) fury’s animation looks too scooby doo, plus you can tell the production was rushed.

  • @ShamrockParticle
    @ShamrockParticle ปีที่แล้ว

    Great topic!
    My own story: I first saw Troughton episodes in mid-1986, back when people loathed b&w shows. Loved The Dominators, which was the first complete story that had existed at the time. Even mentioned it to Troughton at a convention... didn't know until years later he wanted to see it at his next city destination! 😳
    Oh, and I wanted to see more.
    Much more.
    Including the first regeneration.
    "Dominators" is underrated, despite the pacing and the sonic blowtorch. (Sound waves to ignite a fire is one thing, but methinks the fire would spread in more than one direction.)
    If I had seen an animation first, would it compel me? Yes. I loved "Power" when i got the photonovel and audio...
    If i kept going after Power had season 4 been animated at the time? Dunno. Season 6 really did it for me, but seeing missing episodes and resding novelizations did pique my interest more.

    • @AnotherScifiGuy
      @AnotherScifiGuy  ปีที่แล้ว

      You got to all to Troughton at a convention. I am beyond jealous. 😄

  • @malvanlondon8683
    @malvanlondon8683 ปีที่แล้ว

    Re: Introducing someone to Patrick Troughton, I think I might first show them The Seeds of Death. It's complete, well-rounded, has a detailed script and a classic foe, is representative of the typical style of the second Doctor era, isn't jarring because it's largely set on Earth, and you are (by selecting this) nicely holding back The Web of Fear and The Tomb of the Cybermen etc. for the fan to enjoy later.

  • @almyvannucci392
    @almyvannucci392 ปีที่แล้ว

    The reason that so many episodes from seasons 3, 4 and 5 are missing was that they sold alot of copies of seasons 1 and 2 outside of the UK and there weren't as many copies made of seasons 3, 4 and 5 made and in some cases they only sold episodes to Australia outside the UK.
    The ABC in Australia would make there own copies of episodes as they would show episodes in different regions and this is why they thought they might find missing episode in Australia but Australia had return all their copies back to the BBC.
    The reason for content going missing was a combination of storage, colour TV and actors' rights meaning that content had a limited number of views before they came too expensive.

    • @AnotherScifiGuy
      @AnotherScifiGuy  ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes Josh Snares has done some great videos discussing those events. They are a good watch. Missing episode stuff fascinates me.

    • @almyvannucci392
      @almyvannucci392 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@AnotherScifiGuy yes I have seen his videos and they're really great.

  • @leecarroll4622
    @leecarroll4622 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think the historicals make Hartnells era hard for some and the Web Planet.
    The fact Troughtons were mostly missing and not in any watchable form for so long just got me more interested .

    • @AnotherScifiGuy
      @AnotherScifiGuy  ปีที่แล้ว

      That’s an interesting take. I like it.

  • @Jake-E
    @Jake-E ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Honestly the Troughton era is basically fine to get through.
    Except for Space Pirates which I’ve not seen except for the surviving episode. The rest of Seasons 4-6 via surviving episodes, tele-snaps and animations make for a relatively easy watch through of his entire run.
    If we talk about Hartnell then same thing for Seasons 1 & 2, quite easy to get through.
    The only Season really screwed up and off putting for me is Season 3.
    This is coming from someone that only a couple of years ago did a complete 1960’s run through of Doctor Who for the first time minus some full tele-snap only stories and completely missing serials. I had only seen a few 1960’s stories before when I was a kid.
    Having said that in regards to re-watches the tele-snap stories in particular the ones that have the entire story tele-snaps only will take me forever to re-watch. I prefer tele-snaps in regards to them being the closest to the originals but animations make re-watches a lot easier and more fun.
    Sometimes I’m just in the mood to watch animated Doctor Who instead of Live-action for some reason :)
    Completely missing stories I will listen to them once when the Collection range releases them but if they are never animated then even if I enjoy them I just can’t see myself sitting down to listen to audio for 1hr 30mins - 3hrs a second time. I would imagine even hearing that there’s a bunch of serials like that would put people off, I know those sorts of things put me off 60’s Who for a long, long time until I finally went screw it and went through it all and now it might be my fav decade.
    You’re right, me starting my 1960’s journey with Hartnell’s Seasons 1 & 2 on Britbox where it’s 90% complete definitely helped a lot

    • @AnotherScifiGuy
      @AnotherScifiGuy  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Space pirates gets progressively harder to get through. I have reviews coming for it. The problem is the lack of telesnaps as Jon cura passed around around this time. So LC had to basically create telesnaps.

  • @simonmincher2040
    @simonmincher2040 ปีที่แล้ว

    I believe it does because his mannerisms and movements are not fully recognised in animations and it does make a difference when you are watching a story as it was originally intended and then have to switch to animated scenes.
    As you’ve said the 2nd Doctor era has been affected by two-thirds which is massive imo.
    I think he would be more highly ranked if a full suite or original episodes were available.

    • @AnotherScifiGuy
      @AnotherScifiGuy  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      And troughton performs a very physical performance, a lot is done with his body language and facial expressions.

  • @HudsonMedia
    @HudsonMedia ปีที่แล้ว

    Well obviously nowadays it’s in a much better place then it was say 10 years ago. I hadn’t watched a Troughton story till Web of Fear I’m pretty sure cause it was everywhere at the time when it returned.
    But if I was to introduce someone to him. I’d go Three Doctors and then Five Doctors. Then I’d go back to Power and just binge it from there. Skipping telesnap recons tho.
    I don’t think telesnap recons work affectively the majority of the time.
    But outside of that, most of his era is a cracking watch!

    • @AnotherScifiGuy
      @AnotherScifiGuy  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I think three Doctor and five doctors would be the way to go, introduce new fans to others doctors at the same time too.

  • @simonmincher2040
    @simonmincher2040 ปีที่แล้ว

    On another note…..have you thought about doing something on top guilty pleasure episodes that clearly aren’t the best story but are someone’s personal favourite that they love to go back to.
    It could cover the classic and modern eras of Who.
    Mine are The Time Monster & Love and Monsters for example

    • @AnotherScifiGuy
      @AnotherScifiGuy  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That’s a great idea!

    • @simonmincher2040
      @simonmincher2040 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@AnotherScifiGuy hope you get chance to do it at some point….hey up to 966 subscribers! Will make the 1,000 mark very soon.

    • @AnotherScifiGuy
      @AnotherScifiGuy  ปีที่แล้ว

      @@simonmincher2040 I am super excited about that, I really want to hit 1,000 this year!

  • @stevenbrown829
    @stevenbrown829 ปีที่แล้ว

    I would start believe it or not with Power of the Daleks, then would let them listen to the Highlanders audio book read by Anneke Wills I think it's good! I might even show slides of the original transmission of Highlanders just to show the people in the plot and the Doctor in crossdressing form. Then underwater menace, moonbase, Macra terror,, the faceless ones, evil of the Daleks ect...

    • @AnotherScifiGuy
      @AnotherScifiGuy  ปีที่แล้ว

      I would probably decide depending on the person and which I thought would work best for them.

  • @dommoore6180
    @dommoore6180 ปีที่แล้ว

    Troughton is right next to McCoy for best Doctors to me, I think Season 4 is one of the best runs ever in the whole franchise spin offs included, I think Season 5 is also excellent as is Season 6. (also agree that Tomb is a bit underrated despite being very good still)
    I think the companions are great too. Jamie obviously is a lot of fun, but I'm also very fond of Ben and Polly and Victoria and Zoe contrast each other really well. I often think the stength of the companions really boosts a Doctor's era. Tom Baker's companions were all excellent (well minus Adric although I don't hate Adric quite as much as many seem to) and I think he benefitted similarly, same deal with McCoy and Ace.
    And I really regret that so much of Troughton's era is missing because his physical performance would add so much we can't get on audio or animation, but saying that I'm very happy with what we've got. The animations are usually strong and I don't mind the occasional audio version of novelisation either (I actually think the novelisations of S24-26 are better than many of the tv versions of those stories for example although of course it's nice to have both available).
    I understand why people feel it's a shame much of 2's era is gone, I agree with them, but I don't think it prevents or seriously damages the era's enjoyability. I think the more dated aspects such as being black and white (although I really like that) and the very unfortunate stuff like the more racist or sexist elements at times are far bigger turn offs than missing stories (although without starting a huge debate, I don't think the attitude some have taken to old media like this is helpful - I think a general statement before a showing or on a dvd release etc. stating that it's wrong now and was wrong then and explaining all that is enough, people who turn on you for saying you enjoy Talons of Weng Chiang and try to paint you as racist aren't helping anyone, or else most Victorian literature would be off the table, but I'm never called racist for enjoying Dracula despite it having many elements that would easily be characterised as such. But that's a rant for another time I suppose).

    • @AnotherScifiGuy
      @AnotherScifiGuy  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I love season 4, my favorite 60’s season despite so much of it missing. A video about racism and sexism in Doctor who (past and present) has been something I’ve wanted to do but it’s a tricky one to plan out, as it could be a mess if not handled correctly.

    • @dommoore6180
      @dommoore6180 ปีที่แล้ว

      @AnotherScifiGuy it's my favourite 60s season as well I think. And yeah good luck if you decide to go ahead with that video, it's a minefield of a topic for sure.

    • @AnotherScifiGuy
      @AnotherScifiGuy  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@dommoore6180 yeah I really have to sit and think on that one.

  • @mamasaurous
    @mamasaurous ปีที่แล้ว

    Hopefully the powers that be will animate enough Doctor Who missing episodes to make the upcoming sets that more special.

    • @AnotherScifiGuy
      @AnotherScifiGuy  ปีที่แล้ว

      I hope so, I enjoy most of the animations!

  • @LAQuadling
    @LAQuadling ปีที่แล้ว

    I was first introduced to _Dr. Who_ through the PBS reruns here in the states. We only got the 5 serials from season 6 that existed (no Tomb). When I first saw Troughton, I didn't like him. If you only watch complete serials, the jump from _The War Machines_ to _The Dominators_ is ridiculously dramatic (besides _The Dominators_ not being that great...). Many years later, animations were released on DVD and I bought and listened to the CD narrated audios of the missing episodes, and that was when I started to really like Troughton. Since most of the lead characters first and last serials don't exist in the Troughton era (besides _The War Games_ ) it makes it very difficult to get a grasp for the era. I recognize animations are now a big thing, but for the most part I have not enjoyed the liberties they have taken with the serials.
    So, yes, Troughton is badly effected by missing episodes. Season 6 isn't the best. The defining elements of his era happen in the earlier seasons (reliance on base under siege serials, the Cybermen, the Yeti...). So what if the only material you could see from the Pertwee era was from his final season? The defining elements of that era come before as well (exile on Earth, UNIT, the Master, Jo Grant...). Would you like Pertwee?

    • @AnotherScifiGuy
      @AnotherScifiGuy  ปีที่แล้ว

      Luckily Tomb and Enemy are comple now and web is only missing one episode, and is mostly compete. Watching pbs in the stats is also how I first was introduced to doctor who!

  • @dylangoodfellow4778
    @dylangoodfellow4778 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Not at all every animation has pushed him into the public consciousness with new fans jumping in with every new release unlike the Hartnell era which nobody talks about galaxy 4 came out with a whimper few talked about instead mourned the missed opportunity to complete season 5 or 6 instead

    • @gregorwhyte3743
      @gregorwhyte3743 ปีที่แล้ว

      Seen that on twitter as well it was disheartening would be curious to see the difference in sales shada and galaxy 4 got compared to the troughton ones

    • @AnotherScifiGuy
      @AnotherScifiGuy  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That’s a shame as I like the galaxy 4 animation for the most part. The redesign of the rell’s ship encampment irks me.

  • @ruairiedwards8616
    @ruairiedwards8616 ปีที่แล้ว

    There have been a few rumours suggesting that a couple more missing episodes have been located or recovered. Take this with a grain of salt, but I’m really hoping this is true. It’s been 10 years since any missing episodes were recovered, just before Doctor Who’s 50th. With the 60th on the horizon, it possible we could get some missing episodes released around the same time. Whatever the case, I believe any episodes recovered would enhance the viewing experience of Patrick Troughton’s era.

    • @AnotherScifiGuy
      @AnotherScifiGuy  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I hope it’s true, but I’ll believe it when I see it.

  • @tardisspider7187
    @tardisspider7187 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Jake E hit the nail on the head, start with the Three Doctors, the only disclaimer needed is to tell them that Hartnell was ill. You get a good taste with Troughton's Doctor. Full story The Mind Robber, partial the Invasion, fully animated Power of or Evil of the Daleks

    • @AnotherScifiGuy
      @AnotherScifiGuy  ปีที่แล้ว

      I agree, three doctors is an excellent choice.

  • @davidmcdonnell2598
    @davidmcdonnell2598 ปีที่แล้ว

    I only watch if it's only 1 or 2 missing episodes. I tried watching reconstructions and it's dull as dishwater. The animations for Power/Evil are really good however and got me into the story. Problem is they are remakes inserting modern references into it. I'll wait until the missing episodes are found unless it's a really good story like Power/Evil.

    • @AnotherScifiGuy
      @AnotherScifiGuy  ปีที่แล้ว

      Macra animation was amazing, better than what could have been done at the time.

  • @johnreed3638
    @johnreed3638 ปีที่แล้ว

    I was lucky too have been young enough to have watched all of Patrick Troughton Doctor who. After all these years Patrick Troughton still by far remains my favourite Doctor. Also I still think the black and white stories add a lot of atmosphere to the stories, so not a big fan of colourising them.

    • @AnotherScifiGuy
      @AnotherScifiGuy  ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah I prefer them in black and white as well.

  • @lanceyarema4013
    @lanceyarema4013 ปีที่แล้ว

    Oh I’ll start those young whipper snappers with The War Games. ‘That’s how you do an epic long story. Not what you got with Flux!’ That’s what I would tell them lol
    Personally it doesn’t bother me about younger fans getting into 60s Who. I grew up with 70s and 80s Who. It wasn’t until I was older that I tried 60s Who. It took me a while but I really like it now! If they’re just nu Who fans and don’t want to watch it because of limited budget, slower pace stories, and it’s old, then I don’t consider them true fans. lol I kick the dust off my heals and walk on. lol But if they’re true fans, they’ll eventually find their way into it.

    • @AnotherScifiGuy
      @AnotherScifiGuy  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I love war games but wouldn’t start them on it being so long and a bit repetitive. Though it was the first troughton era troughton story I saw. (I first saw him in five doctors)

  • @ii237
    @ii237 ปีที่แล้ว

    A really insightful post 👍.
    Grateful for any animation but Troughton’s complex and very visual portrayal of the Doctor is particularly poorly served by them.
    Imagine if Tomb of the Cyberman had been animated before it was recovered - I suspect it would look terrific but lose most of the brilliant nuance and sophistication in his performance.

    • @AnotherScifiGuy
      @AnotherScifiGuy  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes only a few of the animation do a decent job of capturing that. Macra terror for example.

    • @ii237
      @ii237 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, really good example!
      For that reason, if I absolutely *had* to choose, I’d prefer Season 3 animated and Season 4 recovered (though I love all b/w Who).

  • @shuckleking5097
    @shuckleking5097 ปีที่แล้ว

    If I were to introduce someone in to Troughton's Era of the I would have them start with Tomb of the Cybermen and have them watch though all of the fully complete serials along with having them The web of fear with the animation/recon of episode 3 and the invasion with the animation of episode 1 and 3. Then if they enjoy the era I would have them go back and have them watch power of the daleks and the rest of the animated episodes later, I don't like the idea of having the first story of a doctor being in a animated form especially for the second doctor.

  • @gregorwhyte3743
    @gregorwhyte3743 ปีที่แล้ว

    The constant new releases have given him a edge of Hartnell with everyone seemingly waiting for the season 2 box set to jump in which somehow sold out despite the poor job they did on the extras

    • @AnotherScifiGuy
      @AnotherScifiGuy  ปีที่แล้ว

      I was fine with the extras for season 2, considering most of the people involved are no longer with us sadly.

    • @gregorwhyte3743
      @gregorwhyte3743 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@AnotherScifiGuy I thought the William Russel interview was exploitive and the collectible thing a joke when they skipped stories for behind the sofa didn’t do any new effects or 5.1 audio cleanups and filled none of the gaps in the stories missing making off docs 6 of 9 don’t have compared to season 6 where only the Krotons and space pirates are missing making offs

    • @AnotherScifiGuy
      @AnotherScifiGuy  ปีที่แล้ว

      @@gregorwhyte3743 keep in mind a lot of the money went into remastering the episodes themselves and season 2 is WAY bigger than any season we have had thus far with a whopping 37 intact episodes to restore, with Dalek invasion of earth and time meddler get from the ground up restorations. Lot of the budget went there.

    • @Basil_Funkenstein
      @Basil_Funkenstein ปีที่แล้ว

      @gregorwhyte3743 a) do you realise how much money and effort went in to the restoration of this season? B) do you realise that most of the people from this era have died? C) do you realise how lucky we are as a fandom that people actually bother putting in the work to release these seasons on bluray?
      Yes we obviously could have had more in terms of extras for season 2 and 9 but a lot of the budget went on restoring the picture and audio quality alone. Things do cost money y'know?

    • @AnotherScifiGuy
      @AnotherScifiGuy  ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Basil_Funkenstein I mentioned those things as well. Also, always fun talking on the forum!