Took a look at the rulebook to confirm, and yes, this should have been a dead ball/quick pitch violation. Rule 5.07(a) Comment: Pitchers may disengage the rubber after taking their signs but may not step quickly onto the rubber and pitch. This may be judged a quick pitch by the umpire. When the pitcher disengages the rubber, he must drop his hands to his sides...if the bases are unoccupied it should be treated as an illegal pitch under Rule 6.02(b).
Where are the other 3 guys?? Angel's bad enough, but there are 3 other guys who did nothing. The rule is right there. Illegal disengagement with the pitchers plate.
@@bruceboman9801Exactly. I can believe that in real time, maybe that’s hard to pick up from behind the plate. But with three other umps on the infield and no one on base? Inexcusable.
@@bruceboman9801 For better or worse, the MLB has rule call priority at each's ump's position. So a 1st base ump can't overrule a plate ump for a call at the plate. Which, considering pace of play issues, is probably the right thing.
Actually, Angel was the umpire. No matter what the official rule is, the umpire is the one to make the call, so he is the 'boss' and if Angel said it was a fair pitch then it was a fair pitch. You can argue if Angel was (and will be) the right umpire for MLB matches, but if he is he can do what he want and he will be one to decide if it is a fair pitch. Everybody should know when Angel is umpire you don't play by MLB rules, but by 'Angel rules' and you should not complain about Angel. 😉 However you can (and maybe should) complain about the ones who assign Angel to be the umpire if he does not 'call' according to MLB rules.
Close Call Sports > this channel when it comes to breaking down plays. Matt doesnt know the rules and he puts his opinion in far too often on plays & breakdowns that depend on facts. Its hard to do a good job when you don't even know the rule related to what you're breaking down. Like the other day with a runner interference vid. That's a perfect example. Because he didn't know the rule and kept relating only part of it, his breakdown of the play was completely wrong and his opinion of it was based on incorrect info. He also spends way too much time talking about nonsense. 1:30 he's guessing what the batter was saying/thinking during the pitch. For what exactly? That's useless info and only filler for his video. Stick to the facts and leave all the nonsense out of the videos.
That is an Illegal Pitch !! A pitcher cannot disengage, then engage without the umpire resuming play. I have been umpiring over 33 years at EVERY level. Additionally, by disengaging towards home plate, the pitcher forfeits the right to throw the pitch. Well done, Matt
The umpire does not need to resume play when the pitcher steps off. But stepping off like that and immediately stepping back on and pitching is illegal.
First off I’m a Yankees fan and was unbelievably pissed when this happened, and I agree that Angel is a bad ump and the strike three call was bad, but as for the disengagement from the rubber missed call, I think that’s more on the field umpires than Angel
Angel Hernandez is giving fans what they want: a faster-moving game without the delays of player fidgeting, adjusting, pausing, etc. Dispute the call at the risk of annoying those fans to whom MLB slavishly caters. Kudos to Angel, singlehandedly saving the Grand Old Game!
@@mkrnp Wondering where DO they look though? Sideline umps need to look for a check swing, but that's after delivery. Not sure what they are trained to look at during the windup.
I pitched up to the D1 level and I admit there's a bunch of times when I balked and it was missed. (The blood vessels pounding in the back of your throat into your ear canal makes you do silly things) This dude stepped off and delivered an illegal pitch.. How do multiple umps miss this????
The Ump should have called Time but it was a Strike. The top of the The Strike Zone Box was at his belt. Let me know when Robo-Umps are able to call Balks properly (unlike Joe West) and time-outs since that was the main issue on this play.
@@KaisasDad Robo umps may not be perfect either, but they should improve over time as opposed to the human element that has swung game results the wrong way too often. My vote is to roll the dice on the robots and see what happens. We can always go back to Angel Hernandez if it doesn' t pan out.
Can’t get onto the rubber with ball and hand in glove. Once he steps off rubber, hand must at least separate from the glove. Been a few (30) years, but that’s what I seem to remember.
You're right. That used to be a thing. I don't think so anymore. That's an illegal pitch though. Basically a balk which is supposed to be called a ball if no runners are on base. The fact that the batter stepped out is irrelevant because the pitch was illegal first.
I thought hand had to come out of glove and you had to kind of relax your hands down. So you step out, relax the hands down, and then back on and then arms back in to be ready.
Due to playclock, when pitcher stepped off the rubber, it's a DISENGAGEMENT. Playclock starts over, pitcher and batter must re-establish. Hernandez screwed that one up.
Worth noting that even the Jays broadcast, and the great Buck Martinez, thought the call should have been a no-pitch. And while Buck can be very objective at times, he's still a Jays homer, so that still says something.
Don't blame Hernandez. Blame the sacred union that protects him. There is no way that someone that sucks this bad at their job should be allowed to keep their job.
Baseball took a step forward when Joe West retired. Once C.B. Bucknor and Angel Hernandez retire, then we can put in the rear view mirror decades of horrible umpiring.
This same play was featured on my ESPN app. What your clip doesn't show is after the pitch the ump crew came in and discussed it and stuck with strike/out as the the call. I am not sure if it was because it was not over-rulable or no one saw the step-off or what.
I am not a rules expert and someone may have already mentioned this, but doesn't the pitcher have come set for at least 1 second before pitching the ball?
I don’t think it was intentional on behalf of the pitcher. It was the first batter in Bowden Francis second major league game. His nerves probably did that. He had a great first inning striking out Torres then Soto then Judge.
@Riokaii nope. Sorry, Hitter becomes runner. But it is an illegal action by the pitcher. Sorry, my bad. But You're kind of right.That's an illegal pitch though. Basically a balk which is supposed to be called a ball if no runners are on base. The fact that the batter stepped out is irrelevant because the pitch was illegal first. Still should be called a ball.
@@Billage32 The definition of a balk requires that there are base runners. But yes, this should have been called an illegal pitch, and a ball added to the count.
The pitch clock went away as he was stepping off and re stepping on. Doesn't a disengagement reset the pitch clock? I am not completely up to snuff on the way the pitch clock works in these types of situations.
0:08 Can't do it. He's in the set position. Must come to a stop before pitching. Also he needs to separate hands when he steps off. Illegal pitch, balk if runners.
Batter didn't step out until the pitch was being thrown. I don't know for sure, but I don't think disengagement stops thenpitch clock with no runners on.
Close Call Sports has weighed in on this. Bottom line is it's pitch clock violation. There was no one on base so no balk. With no one on base, the pitcher isn't allowed a disengagement. As mentioned in the comments, it's hard for the home plate umpire to see the disengagement so it's really ip to the first and third base umpires to call it.
Welcome to pitch clock baseball. Looks like there's only 3 seconds on the clock when he steps off. He probably stepped off, then had a panic attack when he remembered the clock and threw it. Should have been an illegal pitch, but I'm surprised we don't see more of this with the clock.
After the pitcher steps off rubber, doesn't he have to come to a full stop before pitching. It's close but I don't think he does come to a full stop before going into motion.
Ultimately, I believe it should be a balk... It's fine that he stepped back on, but you have to pause before delivering a pitch. I've seen this with runners on base(without coming off the mound) and it is always a balk
Re: the pitch - the statcast box showed the top of the zone at the batter's belt. May have been under the letters and therefore a strike. Re: intent - none by the pitcher. Two out and no one on base? Why would he waste that sweet deke on that situation? What happened is that the pitcher fell into an old habit and just stepped off like the old days. He realized that that would be a disengagement so just immediately threw the ball.
I think Angel is a terrible ump, but I don't see a problem with pitchers being able to do that. Remember, they only get to step off so many times now. I think with the new rules we could allow the use of the disengagement to avoid balks if done properly.
I don’t understand how, not the another umpire did not correct Angel. But no, he’s Mr. Know it all! Always screwing the Yankees.Can you imagine him doing this doing a playoff game, in the 9th inning with 2 outs. He would not be able to get out of the Bronx.
Former college pitcher, but gotta side with the hitter here. If what I watched is legal, then getting a running start, crowhopping, landing on the rubber, and gunning a fastball would be no different.
Where is the pitch clock in all of this, I am guessing that if Francis steps off and takes a couple of seconds, it would be a clock violation. Not sure that was intent to deceive so much as a last second desperation gasp of a pitch. I do think the strike zone gets a little bigger when the batter tries to call time and steps out of the box before time is granted, so definitely not surprised that was called a strike
Well, saw a comment down below referring to mlb rule 5 section 7 where what the pitcher did is an illegal pitch and should have been called a ball. I do HS ball which has a different rule…
At the same time torress didn't step out of the box and disengage either. However as an umpire the second pitcher stepped off like that time called . I would've pulled no pitch
How is that not a sort of balk? Unless no one was on base, I understand. What was he trying to do, start some kind of trend? Did he mean to do that? *my head explodes*
There cannot be a balk when there are no baserunners. A batter never gets first base on a balk. In this video, since it was an illegal pitch, the batter would be awarded first base because it would have been ball 4.
yeah… the passive stance of the batter is much higher than when they load up when the pitch is thrown. Obviously the strike zone is based on the latter.
With no runners on base, the pitcher is not required to come to a complete stop when using the Set Position. If, however, in the umpire’s judgment, a pitcher delivers the ball in a deliberate effort to catch the batter off guard, this delivery shall be deemed a quick pitch, for which the penalty is a ball. See Rule 6.02(a)(5) Comment (Rule 8.05(e) Comment)
Under the pitch clock rule everything resets after a disengagement. The pitcher must make eye contact with the batter BEFORE starting into his motion. Here the pitcher is looking at his own feet when he re-engages, and immediately goes into his motion.
Feel like this is either the pitcher taking advantage of angels incompetence, or it something the pitcher discussed with him sometimes before..seems kind of random and unusual for him to just go ahead and try confidently without even informing your own catcher
As much as I hate Hernandez, the batter was in the box. If he had stepped out of the box then it's no pitch, but the pitcher can pitch when he wants if the batter is in the batter's box.
I actually think it was a strike on the top of the zone. The graphic is not accurate. By definition top of the strike zone is the midpoint between the top of the shoulders and the top of the uniform pants. The ball looks to be right around that midpoint.
The top of the strike zone is the midpoint between the top of the shoulders and the top of the uniform pants as the batter is prepared to swing, not when he is standing straight up.
Illegal pitch.. where are U1 and U3, this should have been theirs to call.. forget that clown behind the dish... footwork are base umpires.. hands are plate...
Are MLB umps tenured, because the only other job I know of where you can routinely get away with denigrated your entire profession through chronic incompetence is a college professor?
Jay's fan here. Walked into the living room and saw this live. I was confused why a balk wasn't called. When I saw that no one was on base to call a balk I was confused why that wasn't a dead ball. Terrible. Also, not a fan of Angel.
Took a look at the rulebook to confirm, and yes, this should have been a dead ball/quick pitch violation.
Rule 5.07(a) Comment: Pitchers may disengage the rubber after taking their signs but may not step quickly onto the rubber and pitch. This may be judged a quick pitch by the umpire. When the pitcher disengages the rubber, he must drop his hands to his sides...if the bases are unoccupied it should be treated as an illegal pitch under Rule 6.02(b).
Thanks!!
Where are the other 3 guys?? Angel's bad enough, but there are 3 other guys who did nothing. The rule is right there. Illegal disengagement with the pitchers plate.
@@bruceboman9801Exactly. I can believe that in real time, maybe that’s hard to pick up from behind the plate. But with three other umps on the infield and no one on base? Inexcusable.
@@bruceboman9801Isn't Angel the crew chief though? If that's the case his word would supercede the others?
@@bruceboman9801 For better or worse, the MLB has rule call priority at each's ump's position. So a 1st base ump can't overrule a plate ump for a call at the plate. Which, considering pace of play issues, is probably the right thing.
If Angel said it was a fair pitch, then it definitely wasn't. 😂
Actually, Angel was the umpire. No matter what the official rule is, the umpire is the one to make the call, so he is the 'boss' and if Angel said it was a fair pitch then it was a fair pitch. You can argue if Angel was (and will be) the right umpire for MLB matches, but if he is he can do what he want and he will be one to decide if it is a fair pitch. Everybody should know when Angel is umpire you don't play by MLB rules, but by 'Angel rules' and you should not complain about Angel. 😉 However you can (and maybe should) complain about the ones who assign Angel to be the umpire if he does not 'call' according to MLB rules.
I saw this and immediately thought of you. Thanks for fulfilling my second-long daydream.
Close Call Sports > this channel when it comes to breaking down plays. Matt doesnt know the rules and he puts his opinion in far too often on plays & breakdowns that depend on facts.
Its hard to do a good job when you don't even know the rule related to what you're breaking down. Like the other day with a runner interference vid. That's a perfect example.
Because he didn't know the rule and kept relating only part of it, his breakdown of the play was completely wrong and his opinion of it was based on incorrect info. He also spends way too much time talking about nonsense. 1:30 he's guessing what the batter was saying/thinking during the pitch. For what exactly? That's useless info and only filler for his video.
Stick to the facts and leave all the nonsense out of the videos.
@@J.C... Oh look, you again. I already have been following CCS. Try to get outside today. Enjoy a little sunshine. Something seems to have you down.
At this point I feel like Angel is working towards some sort of "early" retirement severance package
Except he's not because the union doesn't work like that. Or he'd have been put up for early retirement already.
@@J.C... Thanks for the clarification, because I was being 100% serious.
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That was the funniest thing I've seen all day.
That is an Illegal Pitch !!
A pitcher cannot disengage, then engage without the umpire resuming play.
I have been umpiring over 33 years at EVERY level. Additionally, by disengaging towards home plate, the pitcher forfeits the right to throw the pitch.
Well done, Matt
Who was supposed to call it? Field umpires?
@@ibperson7765 Any umpire who sees it should call it.
The umpire does not need to resume play when the pitcher steps off. But stepping off like that and immediately stepping back on and pitching is illegal.
You put your right foot in You put your right foot out You put your right foot in And you shake it all about - The Hokey Pokey Pitch
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First off I’m a Yankees fan and was unbelievably pissed when this happened, and I agree that Angel is a bad ump and the strike three call was bad, but as for the disengagement from the rubber missed call, I think that’s more on the field umpires than Angel
The strike call was correct because the batter was standing up instead of slightly bend down ready to hit. However, yes it was an illegal quick pitch.
I agree it's an illegal pitch. I wouldn't recommend other pitchers try it....except when Angel Hernandez is behind the plate.
Angel is in mid season form
No " All season form".
Angel is now discovering new ways to fuck up umpiring.
Angel Hernandez is giving fans what they want: a faster-moving game without the delays of player fidgeting, adjusting, pausing, etc. Dispute the call at the risk of annoying those fans to whom MLB slavishly caters. Kudos to Angel, singlehandedly saving the Grand Old Game!
It was not only angel's bad call. The other umps didnt call it either.
The other umps might not have been looking at the pitcher as there was no one on base, so there would be no balk call on the pitcher.
@@mkrnp Wondering where DO they look though? Sideline umps need to look for a check swing, but that's after delivery. Not sure what they are trained to look at during the windup.
Angel must own a lot of shares in a strike zone robot company...
I remember having Antonelli on my team in mvp baseball haha good to see he’s making some fine content
I pitched up to the D1 level and I admit there's a bunch of times when I balked and it was missed. (The blood vessels pounding in the back of your throat into your ear canal makes you do silly things) This dude stepped off and delivered an illegal pitch.. How do multiple umps miss this????
100%, I mean the side umps should have called this, it was so weird.
Two things. Angel Hernandez.
You know way better than me, and that is what I was thinking. Hernandez is a one man argument for robot ball-strike calls.
The RoboUmp data confirmed this pitch was a strike. RoboUmp is never wrong.
@@teebob21 The same metric show Angel Hernandez is never wrong.
The Ump should have called Time but it was a Strike. The top of the The Strike Zone Box was at his belt. Let me know when Robo-Umps are able to call Balks properly (unlike Joe West) and time-outs since that was the main issue on this play.
@@KaisasDad Robo umps may not be perfect either, but they should improve over time as opposed to the human element that has swung game results the wrong way too often. My vote is to roll the dice on the robots and see what happens. We can always go back to Angel Hernandez if it doesn' t pan out.
Thanks Matt for sharing this video and analysis. The pitcher is wrong and got away with it. Bad call!
Can’t get onto the rubber with ball and hand in glove. Once he steps off rubber, hand must at least separate from the glove. Been a few (30) years, but that’s what I seem to remember.
You're right. That used to be a thing. I don't think so anymore. That's an illegal pitch though. Basically a balk which is supposed to be called a ball if no runners are on base. The fact that the batter stepped out is irrelevant because the pitch was illegal first.
I thought hand had to come out of glove and you had to kind of relax your hands down. So you step out, relax the hands down, and then back on and then arms back in to be ready.
Due to playclock, when pitcher stepped off the rubber, it's a DISENGAGEMENT.
Playclock starts over, pitcher and batter must re-establish.
Hernandez screwed that one up.
Worth noting that even the Jays broadcast, and the great Buck Martinez, thought the call should have been a no-pitch. And while Buck can be very objective at times, he's still a Jays homer, so that still says something.
Why isn’t that a disengagement under the pitch clock rules?
I agree. It should have been a ball.
At worst, no pitch. Ideally automatic ball. Def a balk if runners were on.
It’s a smart play. I’m gonna do that now! It’s not illegal just made the batter think he’s not gonna pitch!
I hope you are being sarcastic. This delivery was completely illegal.
Isn’t eye contact required with the pitch clock rules?
This is how umpires slow-rolls a preferred team's victory. Umpiring is an art ... a dirty art.
Don't blame Hernandez. Blame the sacred union that protects him. There is no way that someone that sucks this bad at their job should be allowed to keep their job.
Baseball took a step forward when Joe West retired. Once C.B. Bucknor and Angel Hernandez retire, then we can put in the rear view mirror decades of horrible umpiring.
Don't forget Laz Dias.
@@generatorxthe list is actually pretty long. Phil Cuzzi, Hunter Wendelstedt, Doug Eddings, Ron Kulpa, Dan Iassongna, Emil Jimenez, etc., etc.
There’s baseball and there’s Angel baseball.
21 years working the plate, including NCAA DII: this is a quick pitch and should not be allowed.
This same play was featured on my ESPN app. What your clip doesn't show is after the pitch the ump crew came in and discussed it and stuck with strike/out as the the call. I am not sure if it was because it was not over-rulable or no one saw the step-off or what.
I'm really getting tired of Angel Hernandez. He's an embarrassment to the league.
He is an embarrassment to humanity at this point.
I have no idea how MLB lets him on a field, let alone behind the plate.
Of course it was Angel Hernandez 😂😂
Emil Jimenez was a sleep at 2nd base, he should’ve have made the call since he has a better view
@@Big_Sixerthey’ve given far too much power to the MLBUA.
Who here thinks the league should get rid of Angel?
Isn't stepping off a disengagement according to the pitch clock rules ??
Absolutely correct. Angel is an embarrassment.
Whatever Angel said, I would take the opposite opinion…..lol
Base umps should've caught that .
As a former umpire at the HS level... that would be a quick pitch and I would of shut it down as a No pitch call.
A quick pitch with no runners on should be called a ball on the batter.
Not only does Angel miss the quick pitch, he blows the ball/strike call.
I am not a rules expert and someone may have already mentioned this, but doesn't the pitcher have come set for at least 1 second before pitching the ball?
The rule is there must be a discernable pause, it doesn't say one second. But there is no need to pause if there are no baserunners.
@@alanhess9306 Thank you for the explanation.
@@kenwillis268 YW
This is clearly one for jomboy to deep dive into the rules
I don’t think it was intentional on behalf of the pitcher. It was the first batter in Bowden Francis second major league game. His nerves probably did that. He had a great first inning striking out Torres then Soto then Judge.
It’s so hard to hit in the show. . . This is insane!
Angel Hernandez never fails to fail
Quick pitch. No other choice.
How was that not a balk?!
Nobody on base.
Bases were empty so no runners to deceive.
@@ronaldwayne7092 The hitter is effectively a runner who can be deceived in this case
@Riokaii nope. Sorry, Hitter becomes runner. But it is an illegal action by the pitcher.
Sorry, my bad. But You're kind of right.That's an illegal pitch though. Basically a balk which is supposed to be called a ball if no runners are on base. The fact that the batter stepped out is irrelevant because the pitch was illegal first. Still should be called a ball.
@@Billage32 The definition of a balk requires that there are base runners. But yes, this should have been called an illegal pitch, and a ball added to the count.
Quick pitch, disengagement, or whatever they call it today…in any event, the pitch is illegal.
At this point I feel like Angel Hernandez just does this for the attention.
The pitch clock went away as he was stepping off and re stepping on. Doesn't a disengagement reset the pitch clock? I am not completely up to snuff on the way the pitch clock works in these types of situations.
0:08 Can't do it. He's in the set position. Must come to a stop before pitching. Also he needs to separate hands when he steps off. Illegal pitch, balk if runners.
He does not need to come to a stop if there are no baserunners on.
The pitcher MUST separate his hands when he steps off. This is an illegal pitch two times over.
Batter didn't step out until the pitch was being thrown. I don't know for sure, but I don't think disengagement stops thenpitch clock with no runners on.
Close Call Sports has weighed in on this. Bottom line is it's pitch clock violation. There was no one on base so no balk. With no one on base, the pitcher isn't allowed a disengagement.
As mentioned in the comments, it's hard for the home plate umpire to see the disengagement so it's really ip to the first and third base umpires to call it.
Welcome to pitch clock baseball. Looks like there's only 3 seconds on the clock when he steps off. He probably stepped off, then had a panic attack when he remembered the clock and threw it. Should have been an illegal pitch, but I'm surprised we don't see more of this with the clock.
Disengagement?
I wonder if the pitcher alerted Angel prior to the inning that he was going to break this out at some point?
There is no reason a pitcher would alert an umpire that he was going to do something illegal.
Just asking,
Does it make a difference that the batter was in the batter's box when the ball was pitch and time wasn't called?
No. it makes no difference.
After the pitcher steps off rubber, doesn't he have to come to a full stop before pitching. It's close but I don't think he does come to a full stop before going into motion.
His hands did not break either.
The pitcher does not need to come to a stop if there are no baserunners on. But this is a quick pitch.
Ultimately, I believe it should be a balk... It's fine that he stepped back on, but you have to pause before delivering a pitch. I've seen this with runners on base(without coming off the mound) and it is always a balk
A pitcher does not need to pause if there are no runners on base. But it was a quick pitch which is illegal.
you know how we always wonder what a balk is? THAT RIGHT HERE WAS A BALK LUL but also the 1st base UMP shouldve said something.
There cannot be a balk unless there are base runners. This is an illegal pitch. A ball should be added to the count.
Re: the pitch - the statcast box showed the top of the zone at the batter's belt. May have been under the letters and therefore a strike. Re: intent - none by the pitcher. Two out and no one on base? Why would he waste that sweet deke on that situation? What happened is that the pitcher fell into an old habit and just stepped off like the old days. He realized that that would be a disengagement so just immediately threw the ball.
He didn't trick Torres. Hernandez is the one who got tricked. Because he has the brain of a floor tile.
Angel Hernandez is a PR problem for MLB
I think Angel is a terrible ump, but I don't see a problem with pitchers being able to do that. Remember, they only get to step off so many times now. I think with the new rules we could allow the use of the disengagement to avoid balks if done properly.
But this wasn't done properly. It was a quick pitch which is illegal.
Isn't it the other umps job to watch that? Empty bases, home plate up is watching the batter and stuff, it's way easier to see that from the side
Hernandez at it....again
I don’t understand how, not the another umpire did not correct Angel. But no, he’s Mr. Know it all! Always screwing the Yankees.Can you imagine him doing this doing a playoff game, in the 9th inning with 2 outs. He would not be able to get out of the Bronx.
Former college pitcher, but gotta side with the hitter here. If what I watched is legal, then getting a running start, crowhopping, landing on the rubber, and gunning a fastball would be no different.
Where is the pitch clock in all of this, I am guessing that if Francis steps off and takes a couple of seconds, it would be a clock violation. Not sure that was intent to deceive so much as a last second desperation gasp of a pitch. I do think the strike zone gets a little bigger when the batter tries to call time and steps out of the box before time is granted, so definitely not surprised that was called a strike
That's the field umpire's call.
All these umps can catch the faintest of balks but they completely miss a pitcher stepping off the rubber.
Well, saw a comment down below referring to mlb rule 5 section 7 where what the pitcher did is an illegal pitch and should have been called a ball. I do HS ball which has a different rule…
Pretty sure pitchers need to come set before starting their motion in high school too.
@@CommonSense823 Under OBR, there is no need to come set if there are no baserunners.
@@alanhess9306can they step on with their hands together and immediately go into their motion? This looks more like cricket than baseball.
@@CommonSense823 No, they can't step on with the hands together. After taking the sign he can move to the set position but does not need to pause.
At the same time torress didn't step out of the box and disengage either. However as an umpire the second pitcher stepped off like that time called . I would've pulled no pitch
Time wasn't called, this was a quick pitch which is an illegal pitch and a ball should be added to the count.
How does Angel still have his job?
MLBUA
They need to take the “strike zone” off the TV, the top of is literally at his waist. That was 100% a strike regardless of what that zone says
I looked at it on the mlb game day app and it was definitely a ball not even close.
@@jeffjones8866 could give a shit what that says, that pitch was literally at his stomach that’s a strike
How is that not a sort of balk? Unless no one was on base, I understand. What was he trying to do, start some kind of trend? Did he mean to do that? *my head explodes*
Be ready
Angel then proceeds to lexture Gil that he has to have eye contact with the batter before he pitches.
when are they going to get rid of Angel
“Time call out ball fair strike three bunt passed ball pick off!!”
Dipshiiiiiit angel hernandez
Its Angel what’d you expect ?? Duh
That's not a strike it's a balk the player should be on first base
There cannot be a balk when there are no baserunners. A batter never gets first base on a balk. In this video, since it was an illegal pitch, the batter would be awarded first base because it would have been ball 4.
Not only it shouldn't have counted, if it did count, it should have been a balk because the pitcher was never set before throwing!
A pitcher does not need to come set (pause) if there are no runners on base. But it was an illegal pitch.
That box is a few inches low
I saw that, too. The top of the box is like at the batter's waist. I thought, that's not right.
@@christasimon9716RoboUmp demands cock high strikes.
yeah… the passive stance of the batter is much higher than when they load up when the pitch is thrown. Obviously the strike zone is based on the latter.
With no runners on base, the pitcher is not required to come to a complete stop when using the Set Position. If, however, in the umpire’s judgment, a pitcher delivers the ball in a deliberate effort to catch the batter off guard, this delivery shall be deemed a quick pitch, for which the penalty is a ball. See Rule 6.02(a)(5) Comment (Rule 8.05(e) Comment)
Under the pitch clock rule everything resets after a disengagement. The pitcher must make eye contact with the batter BEFORE starting into his motion. Here the pitcher is looking at his own feet when he re-engages, and immediately goes into his motion.
Feel like this is either the pitcher taking advantage of angels incompetence, or it something the pitcher discussed with him sometimes before..seems kind of random and unusual for him to just go ahead and try confidently without even informing your own catcher
As much as I hate Hernandez, the batter was in the box. If he had stepped out of the box then it's no pitch, but the pitcher can pitch when he wants if the batter is in the batter's box.
why are we all stuck with this dude like a supreme court judge? smh
That box is horrible. The top of it might not even be waste level. But of course this has to be our buddy Angel.
I actually think it was a strike on the top of the zone. The graphic is not accurate. By definition top of the strike zone is the midpoint between the top of the shoulders and the top of the uniform pants. The ball looks to be right around that midpoint.
The top of the strike zone is the midpoint between the top of the shoulders and the top of the uniform pants as the batter is prepared to swing, not when he is standing straight up.
Angel screws up again!
WHY NOT STEP OIT OF BOX..this was taught to me in little league…
If batter stays in box ..as a pitcher and hind catcher…GREEN LIGHT
Hind catcher??? Really??
Illegal pitch.. where are U1 and U3, this should have been theirs to call.. forget that clown behind the dish... footwork are base umpires.. hands are plate...
Are MLB umps tenured, because the only other job I know of where you can routinely get away with denigrated your entire profession through chronic incompetence is a college professor?
Why is he umping when he doesn't even Know the Rules!
Never mind Hernandez, the third base umpire, and crew chief, who should be watching for a balk, as well as the first base umpire. They all missed it.
Why would they be looking for a balk with nobody on base?
Jay's fan here. Walked into the living room and saw this live. I was confused why a balk wasn't called. When I saw that no one was on base to call a balk I was confused why that wasn't a dead ball. Terrible. Also, not a fan of Angel.
Angel Hernandez blew it? SOP
I'm a big supporter of unions, but the league needs to hold out for more power to remove poor performing umpires, and pay scabs if they have to.
High Pitch !!!