what respect ??? 🤣🤣🤣 you are a big joke like the islam !!! Nobody in the world gives a shit about the islam !!! it's the religion of the stupid people !!! they pray for God for nothing because even God don't love them !!!
All the names of religions other than Islam are created by culture, only the Quran names Islam as a religion, which means that other religions do not exist.
The Arab proverb, “Not being able to know something is no proof it doesn’t exist,” is a ridiculous piece of philosophy. By that logic you can claim absolutely anything. The burden of proof is on the person making the truth claim.
@@auhmav04 most of that 1 houe clip! Mohammad wasn't really a prophet of Allah! The whole thing is designed to stop the Arab world from imploding. What part of it is hard to understand? Faith is different to fact 🤷♂️
They were only allowed to show this once in the UK, because of massive protests from Muslims. So I can only recommend "In the Shadow of the Sword" by Tom Holland, that is the book he basically are "advertising" for here, to get the full story of what he gives the "headlines" for here. (I've read it probably 4-5 times!)
This video also has been refuted by scholars and historians as well. He seems to be more ignorant and close minded to bother to look further more research.
@@AFGsultanZLet me guess....rEfUtEd by highly biased Islamic lunatics that present some idiotic philosophical mumbo jumbo without ANY material historical evidence.... The Aisha story alone shows that Islam is just another stone age delusional cult....of course the prophet had to be an Arab lol😂 As stupid as the virgin born resurrection ascension white Jesus or the circus show gods of Hinduism. Alone this anthropomorphic and cultural stupidity of these abrahamic religions make them so stupid....can only shake my head in disgust.
Incredible! The supposed "religion of peace" censoring through threats and civil unrest any bad press or uncomfortable facts about the religion's history. Tsk tsk, muslims...
It was foretold that lshmael would be:“a wild ass among men; his hand shall be against every man, and every man’s hand against him. And he shall dwell over against all his brethren” (Genesis 16:12). Pray for his descendants
@Maynard Runkle I believe old scraps of writing that people who were here BEFORE me wrote that have historically and scientifically been proven accurate thousands of times; yet YOU are here watching and commenting on a video that derived from dusty old scraps of paper... the freakin IRONY! Got to be a milinial...🤦🏽♀️😅
@Maynard Runkle If you wasn't so slow, you'd know that different people including Ishmael had their OWN lineages and he was NOT an Israelite he was clearly an Ishmaelite that had 12 princes of his own. God said that ALL valid prophets would come from the seed of Israel... stay in a child's place, this is Chess not checkers! 🖕🏾
pray for the will of God upon the descendants of Jacob who became "Israel" who tricked his brother out of his birthrite, as the Synagogue of Satanites are conning the West as I write.
Hey.hey.hey.hey.hey.... I was told that Muhammad was given instructions to write the Koran by the Angel Gabriel, the messenger of God. I know Gabriel. He told Mary she was to give birth to Jesus. So unless the Koran had a different Gabriel, why wouldn't he tell Muhammad Jesus was the son of God?
THIS IS THE TOO-OFTEN-UNTOLD STORY It’s hard to believe that after 1,400 years anything remains to be said about Muhammad, Islam’s texts, and Muslim history. First, Muhammad said he got the Qur'ān privately from an angel in a cave. When he nevertheless found that he was making only a small impact in Mecca, in 622 he left for Yathrib with some fellow emigrants-Islam’s Hijrah-changed Yathrib’s name to Medina, and embarked on a different route to influence: war, which has remained Islam’s way ever since (though Muslims are certainly on a peace offensive now, apart from their war in Africa’s Sahel). “The Apostle...struck whoever turned his back to (God) until he came to Islam, willingly or grudgingly” (Islam’s first caliph, Abu Bakr, quoted in al-Tabari's History of the Prophets and Kings”). Grudgingly, huh? An interviewer in 2011 asked Ahmad Abu Quddum “So we are commanded to fight in order to spread the religion of Allah?” “Yes,” he said, “this is Islam’s way of spreading.” In his new home, Muhammad drew up a Constitution of Medina that made him the town’s leading citizen. Meanwhile he fought a series of battles, offensive and defensive, including 627’s Battle of the Trench-a siege, really-after which he personally beheaded at least 600 men and a woman of Medina’s Jewish Banu Qurayza tribe for not supporting him. “The Messenger of Allah...slaughtered 700 people-that is our Prophet and our religion” (TH-cam’s Abu Muhammad Ar Rusi). While in Medina, Muhammad sat in judgment of a man who’d killed his children’s mother for having slandered Muhammad, who found the man not guilty: “Oh be witness, no retaliation is payable for her blood” (Abu Dawud 5:4361, a canonical hadith). In early 630, Muhammad triumphantly returned to Mecca at the head of an army. He died there in June 632. So what do Islam’s texts say? They are extensive, but include Qur'ān 2:2, which discourages THINKING about the Qur'ān: “This is the Book about which there is no doubt.” Qur'ān 2:285 makes the point clearer still: “We hear and we obey.” And Qur'ān 5:101-02 adds “Do not put questions about things which if declared to you may trouble you....A people before you...became disbelievers on account of them.” So what is Muslims’ mandate? Qur'ān 2:251 says “And if it were not for Allah checking [some] people by means of others, the earth would have been corrupted....” (The brackets are in the translation.) Qur'ān 2:216 has Muhammad saying “Fighting is enjoined on you.” And Bukhari 4:52:311 has him saying “When you are called by the Muslim ruler for jihād fighting, you should go forth immediately.” And Muslims’ defense of Islam is to be brutal. Qur'ān 5:33 says “The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides.” Qur'ān 8:67 says “It is not for a prophet to have captives [of war] until he inflicts a massacre [upon Allah's enemies] in the land” (brackets of which are in the translation), which makes of Muhammad a brutal man of war. Indeed, Qur'ān 9:3 says “Allah and His Apostle are free from liability to the idolaters.” Quickly then, Qur'ān 9:5 says “When the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush,” a clear exhortation to premeditated murder. Finally, in 712, eighty years after Muhammad’s death, al-Hajjaj bin Yousef cited Qur'ān 47:4’s “O True believers, when you encounter the unbelievers, strike off their heads” to justify a slaughter of thousands in Brahmanabad, far up the Indus River valley. But does that typify Muslim history? Muslims invaded India, not the reverse; Persia, not the reverse; the Byzantine Empire (including Syria and Egypt), not the reverse; Africa’s Maghreb, not the reverse; Europe, not the reverse; and fought the Chinese on the Talas River, far from Arabia. “The Mohammedan Conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history,” wrote Will Durant (1885-1981). And in 636-37, Muslims besieged and took Jerusalem, to which they had no claim aside from arrogance. Moreover, to this very hour, no one has ever invaded Arabia’s Hejaz, which embraces both Mecca and Medina. Have Muslim jihādis misunderstood Islam? Ibn Khaldun (1332-1406), a Muslim sociologist admired in the West, once summarized Muslims’ obligations this way: “In the Muslim community, the holy war is a duty because of...[the obligation to] convert everyone to Islam either by persuasion or by force....The other groups did not have a universal mission, so the holy war was not a religious duty to them....All of them are unbelief. This is clearly stated in the noble Qur'an. [To] discuss or argue those things with them is not up to us. It is [for them to choose among] conversion to Islam, payment of the poll tax [jizya], or death.” Abul A'la Maududi (1903-1979) wrote "The goal of Islam is to rule the entire world and submit all of mankind to the faith of Islam. Any nation or power in this world that tries to get in the way of that goal, Islam will fight and destroy....The believers [are] under an obligation to do their utmost to dislodge them from political power and make them live in subservience to the Islamic way of life." And in 2015, Abu Bakar Bashir said “If the West wants to have peace, then they must accept Islamic rule.” That, then, is what the world is up against and what much of the world is loath to face. It’s also what humanity MUST face if it’s to survive. “Avoid novelties, for every novelty is an innovation, and every innovation is an error” (Muhammad, quoted at Abu Dawud 3:4590).
Mohammed was just another “Joesph Smith” who was discontented with the religions of his day, so he borrowed from several religions and made up the rest claiming “private revelation”. It gained for him a lot of power- which further bolstered his pride and insanity.
@@michaelbattenfield4100Perhaps Mohammed was role model for Joseph Smith. Mohammed was a shepherd, merchant, prophet, rebel, war lord and theocratic despot. Mohammed had plenty of wifes, but he had no living sons. The death of the prophet and the betrayal of her trusted men are also silent history. Fatima's children and Ali were brutally silenced.
I can`t believe that Tom hasn`t mentioned Medina throughout this documentary, even though all of the Korans surahs are divided into the Meccan(surahs that were revealed anytime before the migration or the Hijra) and the Medinan suras, that are those supposed revelations that occurred after the migration to the city of that name. Mecca is(and was I suppose) barren, while Medina IS much greener, with fertile soil to grow fruits and vegetables.
Precisely, Tom Holland's idea is that if Islam was passed off as having appeared in Medina or in another place close to Jewish and Christian influences, that would make Islam less original and there would be nothing miraculous to convert to him. Presenting Islam as being born in the depths of the Sahara far from any religious influence would give more credit to this religion as being a divine revelation.
He came to this study with an attitude there's nothing he gone get. He doesn't even know the surahs are devided into two and goes ahead as far as Israel to place the context of the Quran SMH!
@Maxx Fleischer the one this crap hole started in 2001. None of those you mention are relevant to the "religion of peace". Please don't deflect try and stay on topic.
Aggression of the USA was First you invaded and supported terrorists in Afghanistan in Syria in irak so stop acting innocent - the us empire is the biggest bullshit the world has ever experienced - you sacrifice your own people for money and Kapital- you are the biggest unethical murderers and rulers ever - lies lies lies and all you people are manipulated from head to bottom by your fucked up rulers who are fachist and money greedy - humanity you don’t know! Respect you don’t know ! Fachism at it’s Peak!!!
"For the first 100 years after the founding of "Islam", none of the Mosques "Qibla" faced towards "Mecca", for the first 120 years of Islamic history, none of the surrounding Nations knew about the existence of "Mecca", the word "Mecca" appears only once in the Quran, the most revered site was referred to as "Mashjd al Haram", "forbidden gathering place". The Al Aqsa Mosque "Qibla" does not point to "Mecca", the Khirbat al Mafja Mosque built 724 AD, 103 years after the founding of "Islam", its "Qibla" does not point to "Mecca", all Mosques built in first 100 years after founding of "Islam", pointed to Petra in Jordan... There is no record of "Muhammad" being "born in Mecca", the Quran describes "Gardens, Orchards, Fields" surrounding "Muhammad's birth place", soil tests have shown that there have never been fertile ground around "Mecca"...to the West, Northern Africa, Spain, the Umayyad-(traditionallists) built Mosques facing Petra, in Iraq, to the East, the Abbasid-(reformers) built Mosques facing "Mecca", 683 AD Ibn Zubayr destroyed the original "Kaaba" in Petra....." Reference: "The Sacred City". Timeline World History. Controversial, and absolutely worth considering....
Question is: How Authentic, Adequate and Authorize is The Sacred City". Timeline World History? What if, I say this reference is self-created and full of Lies, nonsensical, baseless and lunatics and fools of lexicons? What if, we challenge the Bible and Jesus like that? How would you prove then?
@@iq2823 "What if"..... How about, you search the "Timeline World History" Documentary "referenced" for yourself...? "Self created lies, non-sensical, baseless, fools lexicon...". !? What do you think Religious dogma is......"Divine". !?!!? What is written in the Bible is clearly not the best that Humanity is capable of in the ethical domain. Not by people who claim the authority of fabricated pieces of primeval myth and fiction and want me to believe that these are "Divine", that, I won't have, and it is the original repudiation. The first rebellion against mental slavery comes from saying ; this is man-made, it is not "Divine". The age of subscribing to the dictates of Parables, Prose, Fantasies and Fables, prescribed by morality signalling hypocrites who presume to speak on behalf of a Celestial Patriarch in whose "name" they cast aspersions, judgements, condemnation and prejudice while claiming that these are "God's verdict", is over Conciousness has recognised an authentic understanding of knowledge free from the conceit and contrivances of an ultimatum based superstitious hysteria prescribed by lies, fabricated fiction. The age of ignorance is over.
@@iq2823 "Lies, fools of lexicon, baseless, nonsensical, self created....". !? "What if"...... How about you research "Timeline World History" Doco for yourself.... and form your opinion on actually deciding for yourself instead just being outright dismissive ..... seriously, the epitome of ignorance is to dismiss outright without having any experience, knowledge, insight yourself. What is written in the Bible is clearly not the best that Humanity is capable of in the ethical domain. Not by people who claim the authority of fabricated pieces of primeval myth and fiction and want me to believe that these are "Divine", that I won't have, and it is the original repudiation. The first rebellion against mental slavery comes from saying ; this is man-made, it is not "Divine". The age of subscribing to the dictates of Parables, Prose, Fantasies and Fables prescribed by morality signalling hypocrites who presume to speak on behalf of a Celestial Patriarch in whose "name" they cast aspersions, judgement, condemnation and prejudice while claiming that these are "God's verdict", is over. Conciousness has recognised an authentic understanding of knowledge free from the conceit and contrivances of an ultimatum based superstitious hysteria, the age of ignorance is over.
@iq2823...."What if" !? How about, you research the references for yourself, the title is provided, the epitome of ignorance is to dismiss something outright without having any knowledge or experience of that you dismiss. What is written in the Bible is clearly not the best that Humanity is capable of in the ethical domain. Not by people who claim the authority of fabricated pieces of primeval myth and fiction and want me to believe that these are "Divine", that I won't have, and it is the original repudiation. The first rebellion against mental slavery comes from saying ; this is man-made, it is not "Divine". The age of subscribing to the dictates of Parables, Prose, Fantasies and Fables prescribed by morality signalling hypocrites who presume to speak on behalf of a Celestial Patriarch in whose "name" they cast aspersions, judgement, condemnation and prejudice while claiming that these are "God's verdict", is over. Conciousness has recognised an authentic understanding of knowledge free from the conceit and contrivances of an ultimatum based superstitious hysteria, the age of ignorance is over.
@@iq2823 How Authentic, Adequate and Authorize is the books of hadith? What if their reference is self-created and full of Lies, nonsensical, baseless and lunatics and fools of lexicons?
Some believe mathematics, engineering, etc came from Islam. Many scientific, mathematical and engineering things had their beginnings in the Arab world before the rise of Islam in the 6th century; however, as Islam spread and began to change the hearts and minds of the people in the Arab world the people’s ability for discovery and innovation dropped off dramatically.
I'm an ex Muslim, let me make it easy to understand, they don't say that these sciences came from Islam, but there were Muslim scientists who made major discoveries. That one part of the story now the other one is, that People like Alkhawarizmi and Ibn Sina، they have been accused of blasphemy by Muslim imams because they favor mathematic and logical science rather than religious sciences.
@@sanjeevpanicker5889 Very good, I know this information, and I didn't said that the muslims who invented maths, I said they were ones of the best, and hindu also the worst lie in the history far worst than Islam
Change of the qibla (Arabic: تحويل القبلة) is the event in which the qibla of Muslims (direction of performing some rituals) was redirected from al-Aqsa mosque, in Bayt al-Maqids (Jerusalem), to the Ka'ba (in Mecca). The event occurred in Rajab, 2/January, 624, after the revelation of al-Qibla Verse. According to the majority of historiographers, the change of qibla occurred in Masjid al-Qiblatayn in Medina in the middle of the noon prayer. One interesting point about the redirection of the qibla is how people turned in the middle of a congregational prayer to over 160 degrees.
According to Dan Gibson, the very first mosce with the Qibla Mekka was not until the seventwentyth. ALL Quiblas before were directed towards Petra. compare Jay Smith, th-cam.com/video/ZZE_TXn3qxw/w-d-xo.html
then why all the mosques built directed to the north of Mecca? Why the description of Mohammed's location being in a valley of olive farmers surrounded by mountains?
You mistakenly forgot to mention that it was a deceiving man that made it all up and that none of it is true and that Islam is based COMPLETELY on lies and jealousy. The filth of man.
I think that it may have been Benjamin Franklin who said that religion in the hands of the good is a force for good, and in the hands of the evil it is a force for evil.
Im a Christian. I will confess,Im not a practicing Christian. I sin. But,I believe in the Bible way,but moreso,how God and/Holy Ghost touches me in the things I do. Yet...my reason for chiming is is this... There was a time,not long ago,where all people of every religion,was welcome to visit the muslim nations. Then,with the great wealth of oil found in Egypt (during my lifetime) ,came the influx,or almost to a fact,an invasion of the Mideast,and along with them,came vulgarity,pride,oppression of persons,ie.,lack of respect for those whose countries we swarmed in on,and still,more sinful ways. I was in the Marines and visited Turkey. It was amazing.Beautiful.The people were so kind and hospitable. So eager to offer their hospitality. Yet,at the port areas,where most American servicemen hung around,vulgarity and drunkenness abound . Sadly,the very poor who lived there,saw the chance to feed their families by accomodating the desires of the servicemen. I was stunned at the difference in the qualities of persons,between them and us . We acted like barbarians. After years of behavior like this,it affected those people. And this corruption of their ways,of their lives and lands continue to this day. Who we call terrorists,are people who,earlier,have asked us to leave. We jeered in their faces,and stayed.If someone entered your home,and acted like a drunken,vulgar fool,submitting your children to sinfulness on a daily basis,and refused to leave your home,wouldnt you,after a while,take measures to force the evil from your home? I love my country,the USA. BUT,I am also ashamed of it as well . Defending your home from evil,sinful invasion is NOT an act of terrorism,but an act of self preservation wholesomeness. We have NO business staying where we arent wanted. And they have every right to defend their lands and lifestyles from our vulgar invasion. Criticize me if you will,but Ive BEEN there,and I feel compassion for their struggle against our invasion into their homes.
kind of interesting but for the first ~20 minutes you don't say anything other than "there is no evidence and it is hard to find any". I ended up watching the rest on x1.5 speed
someone making a historic research and documentary , and the only people he talk to , are 4 Bedouins , who are simple people with no scholar knowledge . You can geuss the quality of this documentary xD , it's just bullsht
@@hamza-trabelsi You don't really do your point very much justice in criticizing the "4 Bedouins" considering the people who first administered and created the religion were in fact "simple people with no scholar knowledge". He was speaking to them to gain perspective on what the adherents to the faith actually believe; his thesis isn't underpinned wholly by what they have to say but to dismiss them as you have is to dismiss the views of average Muslims who aren't scholars but nonetheless practice the religion.
The story is hampered by the fact that Arabs of that day did not keep written records. That came only later. So of course there is not a paper trail, showing the circumstances of Islam's rise. But to then offer your opinion as definitive, that Islam arose from the Arab empire, is imposing your version on a story where there is no documentation, either way. It's historical malpractice, in other words. It's true that Mecca became the focus many years later. The niches in the very first mosques were pointed at Petra, according to another account. That gave birth to a theory that Mohammed was from there, being a trader, and Petra being a trading center. And Mecca has literally no archeology at all, which is strange, and difficult to reconcile with the Koran. But something united the Arabs before they could become an empire. This was no small thing - they were famous for inter-tribal wars. To this point, I haven't seen anything that would disprove the standard narrative - that it was the rise of this new religion, brought about by Mohammed. Only the lack of a paper trail, which you'd expect, given who the people were.
There is written evidence from that very era up to this day. There is no any other religion which has pure authentic and unadulterated records than Islam.
Mr. Tom Jelinek , your comment is logic, but Islam has nothing to do with Petra at all , it was on the way of the caravans. I think Jay smith came up with this one, that most of the mosques I mean the Qibla was directed towards south-east /west from the north of Arabia , we had no astronomers at that time too to have the Qibla direction towards Mecca 🕋 accurately, see nowadays mosques 🕌 for instance. Petra was nothing after the Roman conquest in the 1st century AD . It was inhabited by Arabs , the remnants of Thamud. By the way , Mecca still have many archeological sites , but unfortunately after conquest of Ibn Saud in 1925 , many of these sites were destroyed, some graves of the companions of prophet Muhammad se still there especially the great wife of prophet Muhammad PBUH who shared him the very first moments after he received the first revelation of Quran. My greetings.🌹
@ yaania rasheed , Arabs knew many names of a thing , they are “linguists by nature “ even before Islam, one of the Arab linguists named “Al’Asma’i” knew more than 50 names for the “Stone” 😁, I knew bedouins who still use different names of the stone, like , Mangula, Gla’aa, and still “in their mother Arab dialect” ,unbelievably, amazingly use metaphor . The way they point to things and the way they describe them, it’s like magic.
Even if there is a written trail, can you still believe everything that got to be written? I mean most of Roman history and life were written by those who could access education, or you can say the Elites. They never tell you what's like being the normies or even slaves. Maybe there were conquer that been exaggerated, like you'd find politics these days. Not every documents could prove the truth.
@@whisperingwind7 i most interested in solving stupidity problems, i'm not interested in many things including super stuff. insert dry smiley face here.
That's wishful thinking that could put you on the road to hell. If historical facts don't support your faith, then does this lead you down a false path? Think about what is presented here. A Quran that describes a place much further north than Mecca, a town called Mecca that does not exist at the time of Mohammed, no historical references to anyone named Mohammed until 50 years after his death. The Hadiths were all written down 200 years after Mohammed by people that never knew him. Compare that to Christianity. Watch any program on "the city of David" archeology as an example. You have the right man, at the right place, and in the right time.
Maybe he should look in some of the Ancient Chinese accounts and writings in their ancient history. The Chinese were trading in that area and even with the Romans through various tribal Merchants including Arabs and desert peoples etc from very Ancient times. The Chinese may have some interesting writings about these Arabs and early Islam peoples/religions/practices. Chinese were always guarding their border lands against invaders, they had many tribal vassal states as well so the Chinese were great historians and record keepers, they are sure to have accounts worth reviewing.
By the 8th century or earlier Chinese ceramics were exported to Egypt and Western Asia, and of course much silk was exported to the Roman and Byzantine empires. I don’t remember when the first reference to Islam occurs in Chinese sources, although members of the Sassanian royal family fled to China after their defeat by the Arabs. I The Battle of Talas in around 750 was when the Chinese and Arab armies first encountered each other. The Arabs won.
the question that has been repeated since the beginning is " how do we know it was like that?" this question applies to all religions and all old historical events; we are sure of nothing unless we look carefully where we need to
Correct. Merely narratives & motives until the reality is maybe revealed. All mankind is like this. What would miraculously set this people apart or make them immune. God ? Truthfully...what is that anyway ? Monotheism - corruption & divisiveness. Convenient really.
@@T.Ty7can you pick up Quran and just read it? It will answer your questions. Not sure where you living. You might be able to Google one for free in a Quran will be shipped to you you will find the answer. How do you know if it’s true what you asked thank you.
@@zarghona7491The quran is one of the last places we need to look in. All that nonsense about flying donkeys and the such. It does shed light on muhammad killing jews and raping children tho
So much internal repetition. Seems each scene and clip is reused three or four or more times in the course of the flick. Could be edited down to 20 min. or less with no loss of content.
I'm sure that Mr. Holland's trip to the Middle East for this Documentary didn't include all of the trips to various sites in order too authenticate the relationship to him being a prophet called by God as it is written in the Quran, again as God instructed to be done. May I ask when was the Quran written? And from what text was it taken from that Muhammad knew about Adam, Eve, Abrams, and his sons including his nephew Lot in Sodom/Goliath. Was that taken from the history found in the cave that Mr. Holland visited that showed the cross in that cave?? However, too enlighten the person who wrote that Tom Holland majored in English, doesn't mean he is not a Historian. My B.A., is in Social Work, but my major was Law!! Like law you have to research the facts if their out there, if you want to verify the truth about something or someone. Historians have been interested in this as well as the public forever or it wouldn't be called History without documented facts like DNA!! Another question I read about after listening to another Documentary that included his marriage to a 6yr., but didn't have sex with her until age 9 Aisha, and the story I just read in the comments about how this mother an brother beat his sister, when she didn't comply with them for whatever reason. What sin had she commited? Has the Islamic community read the book of REVELATION from front to back so they have a good take on what the day of judgment is all about?? I'm just curious.......
How come this documentary does not reveal the names of the “scholars” who provided their expert opinion? Was this deliberate so that their lives would not be at risk? Not knowing their credentials takes away some credibility to the whole documentary and all that they kept saying is “I don’t know”. I was expecting more substance honestly
I think the woman interviewed is one of the contributors. She died few years back. Her name is Patricia Crone. Fear of retribution is the main reason why. Subscribe to @pfanderfilms, CIRA international you will understand further
The big problem that historians of religions will always find is that religions are not history but mysticism. Every religious text is a symbolic body that should take the student to a higher level of spirituality. Therefore, the scientific method is not useful to explain religions, which are nothing more than systematized traditions.
Ask yourself this question. Who would be the most powerful God. A God who want your sons to die for him in order to get to heaven or a God who sent his son To die for you so that you can live.
cant have a son.. thats a physical thing. God is metaphysical. So no I dont want anyone to die for my sins, every indiviual is accountent for their actions. What your saying is since (the europianized version of christianity) says jesus died on the cross for them, this enables peole to ignore their morales and dont fear sinning, cuz its already taken care of 2000 years ago. NO. Every man and woman is responsible for their actions and will be taken into account in this or the next life ;) And guess what, saying that he has a son, who then again has a father, who then again has a mother who then again has a ghost, is one of the greatest sins of God. bible says "thou shalt not have other gods than god"
Do you know the meaning of GOD ?? He is God, he can do whatever he wants.. Who are you little creatures wanted to be treat special ?? Look at the mirror, use your brain.. Stop asking questions, start finding the answer.. Or else you just a dumb human being..
@@BEhistoricStudios this dumb people think God is a fucking human 😂 Lol, what a joke. How brain dead can they be.. 😂😂😂 If that the case, I can be God too.. Damn.. So stupid af..
a powerfull god does not need anyone to die for him nor to send someone to die for you so you can access heaven if the creator is all powerfull really he says be and it is! may the creator be exhaulted and above all description you ascribe to him out of ignorance
So many comments about this being "poorly researched" and "missing so much history/information". Yet know one know what's missing, or where to find it.
@Game Of Web You mentioned a single place, mentioned in a single verse from the Quran. Yet gave no historical relevance to it. Which is what the person in the video was referring too. Your other references to historical accuracy didn't even show a connection with the Quran. Your mention of Hirayrah is somewhat strange to me, in all honesty. There are some Islamic scholars, who quote him as being a liar. Saying much of his work was stolen from others. Also, that he was a later convert, and spent little time with Muhammed. As well as criticism by Aisha and Umar. Many point out that Umar even with the physically assaulted him. What quailifications do you feel on needs to be labeled an "arab" historian, or a "muslim" historian? The video presenter does have a degree, and has written several non-fiction books on historical figures, and historic periods.
@Game Of Web What are you talking about? You actually only addressed one thing I said directly. Yet not enough to dismiss my point. In reference to Hirayrah. Your talking about a well in the desert, and a place being mentioned in the Bible, still doesn't show the passage you cited, having any historical reference to something that took place. Do I really need to get into your going on about lawyers being total nonsense, in regards to my asking you about historian qualifications?
It is narrated on the authority of Ibn 'Umar ('Abdullah b. 'Umar) that the Messenger of moon elah Al'lah (may peace be upon him) observed: Verily Islam started as something strange and it would again revert (to its old position) of being strange just as it started, and it would recede between the two mosques just as the serpent crawls back into its hole.
@Game Of Web Again, you are not addressing what I actually said. Apparently it's more important for you to make up your own "version" of what I said. Also, you are assuming that the person never talked to anyone that was "arab" or "Muslim", simply because you did not see it in the video? That's absurd on numerous levels. I have no idea what documentary you are referring to on the "life" of Jesus. But, I will say all the ones that I have seen, offer no factual evidence on a historical life of Jesus. Simply speculation based on religious texts. Which are nothing more than historical narratives. Your reference about someone mentioning some person, named Muhammed, who taught something, offers very little to support your argument. It's really no different than someone in the 1st century CE mentioning a person named Claudius, who was a store owner. Very common. Your counter arguments are too emotional. You aren't taking the time to put together a coherent comment, that actually support your stance, with anything substantial. All you have really offered is emotion based snippets, that do nothing to actually refute the video.
I watched this documentary a few times .. Very informative.. it is not trying to debunk Islam but rather to get a historical perspective and understanding..I am a Muslim and cannot find Islamic literature on this subject..
Lol same. Not surprised by what I find haha. It seems we have a clash of civilizations continuing into the virtual world. I know it's a long shot, but hey Muslims and non Muslims, why don't we just chill and be friends and talk about all the dank memes we've been browsing during lockdown?
Emotionally driven and unbiased way of researching, if you have at least bothered yourself to look the prophet wasn’t at all a bedouin or nomad neither were most of his companions, but you needed that image to strengthen your argument and belittling the subject. I’m not even discussing the topic of the prophet lifestyle and history recordings which are authenticated throughout a strictly scientific standards more than any previous nation even more detailed than the history of America which almost a century later and i can give you all the resources and evidences you need . Me not the bedouins of Jordan whom they had nothing to do the prophet’s life. Don’t make a joke of yourself speaking of science yet desperately misleading the audience
This doc is about one person trying to find it's own doubt about a single person and one religion...its more about a journey of finding something...something that can give answer to his own opinion to the way he think and to the way how he realize...the real stories is at the end of this doc...it's more about himself rather than the history it's self...ask the right question and find the right path..and you may find what you're looking.
Very nice summary. This documentary is about a guy trying to find a new angle to attack Islam. The method chosen here is Mecca didn’t exist and Mohammed was not a real person. Therefore, it’s all made up. Lol hilarious
I noticed that you haven’t mentioned the science of Hadith, this is not just stories, there are strict rules to follow so you can know if the story is correct, corrupted, or a lie.
Islamic history and sayings of prophet Muhammad is preserved under such strict rules that no history rules can match.imams(researchers who studied every auspect of prophets life)has spent their lives to analyze each and every hadiths.proving certificates for each saying and rejected if it not fullfilling the criteria...when u study u vl come to know this way of research is far more authentic than ordinary history
@@thewealthofnations4827Dominion is about how Christianity has conquered most of the world ideologically; how the values that it imbues are the foundations of the western ethos and whether you believe or not, you are at least a Christian culturally. An idea that even Richard Dawkins is now admitting though he still reviles Christianity itself.
They are jealous on Islam's development. Because their holy books have more updates than my android. So they are jealous of us. Still the fastest growing religion in world is islam
Don't lie to yourself, the world is now seeing what non-Muslims, Jews and Christians, are doing, destruction and ruin, in the fighting, the Prohibition of Islam, the killing of women, children, sheikhs and monks, the demolition of churches and places of worship for non-Muslims don't even cut atree
Even though I understand the majority of it, there are certain parts I don't understand, so please add English subtitles or turn on the automatic subtitle.
Sorry to write you but this historian has sources. Look at the description and the blue website shortcut is ablazed. He wrote a book, he has sources obviously, and he is there you aren't is what your crying over? He has more knowledge than most people but how he reflects it will always be challenged by others because one's religious beliefs. Jesus is the peace all nations and people need to follow. P_out
Sigma Geranimo I agree with you to a certain extent. Not all religions are belief systems. The ones that are belief systems, you cannot reason with the believers. Faith is not synonymous to belief in all religions. In some religions faith is synonymous with fact. With those members, you can reason.
WEAK! A whole movie of "experts" refuting things and nobody telling you how. Islam is a great source of humor for the educated. Even just the literature
I don't know about "transcendent" cinematography, maybe "some cinematography," "terrific," "radiant," or even "humblle." Seriously, I think the soundtrack has no right being this good, hiwever.
Cute that he ignored that Jerusalem fell during the 2nd Righteous Caliph, Umar ibn Khattab. (he jumped directly to Muawiyyah). He ignored also that Mecca has at least one Oasis. He also can explain how in Jupiter's name, Rome can let a center of resistance bloomed right in the center of Syam. BTW, the fertile crescent trumped canaan.
They have done archeological research into what grew in Mecca. It wasn’t much of anything as they found no evidence of trees as described in the Quran. What is obvious is that the original holy site was not in current day Mecca. You only have to look to the oldest Mosques to determine which direction they prayed and it was not toward current day Mecca. This does not mean Islam is false, it simply means that their holy sites have changed. Jerusalem was never a holy site for Muslims prior to their conquering of Jerusalem. Jerusalem is mentioned ZERO times in the Quran.
1:06:34 There is no doubt about the actual location of Mt. Sinai (God or not) and he is not even close. _For the record:_ Any decent researcher/scholar would have found out where all of the earliest mosques were aligned to. (There is no doubt about that either.)
Yeah, "weakness" and "honesty" OFTEN sound the same.... I mean, if you demand POWERFUL arguments even though there are little evidence (of ANY sort), wouldn't you then just invite demagogues and manipulators to the conversation? I bet THEY would be more than happy to offer certainties… Don't you think?
@@busylivingnotdying If someone doesn't actually have something to say, why would they bother spending 20 minutes saying it? That would be time better spent presenting whatever evidence DOES exist, if any.
@@plumsink He does say something: conquest may have come FIRST, before THE BELIEF. Now you have a POWER that needs a doctrine to make sure people KEEPS obeying "the powers that be" But there is a problem: If the answers are clouded in various traditions, you must first extricate the audience from preconceived ideas (step one) …. already we are in a more complicated place… Sorry, but there are no shortcuts
@S C in other words: most people :) I know we can say: Look how stupid people are, let's ignore them! (or something like that) But why is that a bad idea? Because "dum" people don't disappear. They are still there… and sometimes they become powerful (ouch) And sometimes WE are the dum ones and WE would need someone to be patient with US! (double ouch) :)
@@busylivingnotdying "If the answers are clouded in various traditions, you must first extricate the audience from preconceived ideas." Proceeding from the assumption that you need to change what people think is problematic to start with. That sounds a bit totalitarian. Present evidence: let people decide whether their own minds are changed or not.
I agree with Praveen's review of Tom Holland's honest and relentless pursuit of historical facts, though it seemed more of a dramatic metanarrative - not a history of the origins of Islam, but a dramatization of one historian's seemingly heroic struggle to penetrate the mists of time. But this is not actually how history is conducted, is it? Anyone would want to start out with the best of what is already written. Why reinvent the wheel? Many if not most professional historians of Islam would direct you to The Venture of Islam: Conscience and History in a World Civilization Vol. 1-3 by Marshall G. S. Hodgson (1974, University of Chicago Press). Though Hodgson died before completing his project, even the first 3 volumes are magesterial in the quality of writing, comprehensiveness of source materials, objectivity AND respect, and sociological complexity.
I'm watching this 9 years after this video was posted. Here's my intake from this video; - Why did you put so much emphasis on the Bedouin? Arabs are not just Bedouin. The prophet himself was not a Bedouin. - There was no Muslim empire when the prophet was still alive. He's a prophet, not an emperor. - History is not just written records. - You're a historian, so avoid using flattering words such as Roman emperor Master of the universe.
In a thousand years from now they will think "there were muslims, christians, jews, buddhists..." like we think today "there were people who believed in Zeus, Apollon, Athena, ..."
A good quest for an answer to his questions. Appreciate his patience and persistence in keeping asking questions until he himself became confused about his questions. Good exercise, but it must be very expensive one. Congratulations. Finally you know what you don't know.
Tom Holland's documentary "Islam: The Untold Story" was heavily criticized by scholars and experts for its numerous inaccuracies and factual errors. One of the most significant inaccuracies was Holland's assertion that there was no archaeological evidence to support the traditional Islamic account of the life of Prophet Muhammad. Holland claimed that no physical evidence of Muhammad's existence or the early Islamic community had been found, and suggested that this was evidence that the traditional Islamic account of Muhammad's life was a later fabrication. However, this claim was widely refuted by scholars and experts. Islamic studies professor Jonathan Brown, for example, wrote in a review of the documentary that Holland's claim "reflects a rather bizarre ignorance of the field of early Islamic history and archaeology." Brown explained that while there is relatively little archaeological evidence from the early Islamic period, there is abundant written evidence from the time that supports the traditional Islamic account of Muhammad's life and the early Islamic community. Other experts also pointed out factual errors in Holland's documentary, such as his claim that the Kaaba in Mecca was originally a Christian shrine, and his suggestion that the early Islamic conquests were primarily motivated by economic gain rather than religious ideology. In response to the criticism, Holland issued a statement in which he acknowledged that some of his claims had been "unhelpfully phrased" and expressed regret for any offense caused. However, he maintained that the central thesis of his documentary remained valid. Overall, the controversy surrounding Holland's documentary highlights the importance of careful and rigorous scholarship when exploring complex historical topics like the origins and development of Islam.
The conclusion is simplistic. The Prophet somewhat acquired a couple of texts from the Jewish religion and Christianity while traveling as a merchant around Syria, and took them all way back to somewhere in the Arabia desert. There he constructed the book by editing those texts. When he died many had converted but not sure where was the 'somewhere' so early mosques have diverse directions. Many years later some big warlords decided to be as cool as Roman emperors and felt like a cool religion was needed. The current holy city was designated as the original 'somewhere' and everyone in the following hundreds of years who doubted the decision was either killed or banished.
If simplistic, accurate. Your summary of what he says is brilliant and I mean that. It is what those skeptical of Islam fail to say in millions of words but which you've done in a few. Your comment is brilliant.
@karlwalters3763 it must have sounded pretty convincing for someone who doesn't know a thing about islam. Don't blame you . Because if you knew anything about islam you would know everything he said contradicts the history and every sentence can be disproven . A simple google search or youtube search will show you the evidence for all the stuff thats being said. And quran and hadith is available free online if you want to check any of the claims. Making up stories and calling them as facts and people who are convinced by them is the biggest joke i see in this world. Its amazing the stuff people comes up with without an atoms worth of facts and evidences.
Islam is everywhere, the second largest religion in the u.s. and world. The first black slaves in the U.S were Muslim. Figures like malcolm x and Muhammad Ali among other currently famous people have been muslim also. Islam would likely be happy to not proselytize as it seems to be forbidden or frowned upon but the west keeps finding reasons to go there. If it's not a slave trade it's a war.
Such a waste..He says that there is no evidence through out the doc. but still landing to a conclusion...as per me the evidence is scattered through out the world...this doc. is based on perception and imagination of creator.
Yeh, Having been in the hotel industry, I have had the fortune of working with many, many persons from many, many culture’s, countries and ethnicities. Retired now for ten years, I regularly golf with Asian golf partners from Taiwan, Korea and those that actually lived in China and owned a factory in China. I very much enjoy hearing about their experiences, opinions, cultures and families. In “79”, I had many Iranian young men work for me. They needed to work due to assets being frozen and not being able to get back to Iran. 45 years later, I know for a fact some of these men have raised families in the U.S. and are as “Americanizes” as can be. Although I recognize there are many Muslims in the U.S., they DO NOT want to over-assimilate or have there families, descendants effected by the American culture. My neighbor is one. He will not shake hands with someone such as I. I have encountered this many times interacting with persons of that culture. So- although in our country and our culture, their religion does not allow to integrate. This is segregation. Just saying. Definitely now a religion of love in my humble opinion.
Huh? In the US? I could see if it was Europe. The vast majority of Muslims in the US are thoroughly assimilated and will shake hands with anyone who respects them. Hell, they even celebrate the fourth. The only difference I know is that they may forego the hot dogs in favor of a burgher or a beef alternative.
The fist Christian scholar who wrote about Islam was John of Damascus, his book was Fountain of Knowledge (born 670 AC), who confirms Muhammad as the founder of Islam I don’t this film at the end could conclude anything It was more entertaining than a historical research
maybe if you actually had the guts and not fear in reading the quran to know then you will have more to say then that dull quote which any school boy can write as his home work excuse..lol I am guessing you must like trump as you seems on the same IQ
@@indianajones359 look at this Islam apologist. Ita not a religion man it's a way of life and culture and it's anathema to western believes and culture.
if you read it then you will not say you will be marked to be killed anywhere. and also 911? really people still not seen all the footage and the exterp report how a plane can not bring that buildings down or even the plane that's not even in the Pentagon or its parts.. how am I speaking to man. obviously wasting my time on that note let's say agree to disagree.. dont educate your self and believe everything you see ✌👍
Propoganda video .... Proves nothing apart from ignoring archeological, physical , written, verbal and historical facts. Even a 12 year old can get his history straight
Great documentary PS: 1:07:08 That is because it is not the real Mt. Sinai, the real Mt. Sinai is in Arabia (as Paul tells us in Galatians) and is called Jabal Al-Lawz today. All the evidence needed to show it is there too. Its top is burnt, altars at the base, a cave part way up, the remains of the Golden Calf altar + a bunch of carvings of a calf, a massive cemetery 3 miles east of the base (Ex 32), and many petroglyphs of script that looks like a precursor to Paleo Hebrew, and petroglyphs of sandles which would only connect very well to the Israelites taking hold of God's promise in Deuteronomy 11:24. And much more. An excellent book showing all this is Mount Sinai in Arabia by Joel Richardson.
No need to predict nothing.. it’s true that there is mo any archaeological evidence thar proves the history of islam at its birth... The Islamic history was written more that a 100 years after Mohammed was died 🤷🏻
IDK / The battles you’ve mentioned were documented because they were true events. And NO.. no history of islam was written and compiled in1-2 decade. First historian collected the oral stories and formed a biography of Mohammed was Ibn Ishaq a century after Mohammed’s death. But the original copy of that biography disappeared after a man called Ibn Hisham editted it and wrote a new one a century after ibn Ishaq.
IDK / To answer your question about Abu Baker i need a time machine to go back to that time.. because no history was wetting.. the history of the Islam you know and everyone knows about was written 2 centuries after its birth 🤷🏻
IDK / As for those battles they were international events.. they had big impacts in area.. that’s why everyone knows about them.. but they don’t prove anything about islam.. they were battles between the arabs and Persians and Romans.. because their details aren’t profound facts neither.
IDK / Brother.. I’m telling history about the first biography of Islam by ibn Ishaq and later Ibn Hisham and you are telling a sort of bloodline story? 🤷🏻
For those interested in learning about the pagan roots of Islam, rituals that were adopted by Muhammad from pre-Islamic Arabia, I highly recommend watching the archaeology videos by Lloyd de Jongh. He has made several very interesting ones.
It didn’t humble me at all. It made me angry at his arrogance and intellectual dishonesty - and rather worried about what attitudes like his lead to. What he was really saying is “You’re treading on dangerous ground.” For a year after this Holland and his family got the usual death threats. People who disagree too loudly do so at their own risk.
@@danielschaeffer1294 it is not eyes that blind.. but the hearts you can call me anything, but understanding islam history without understanding islam in deep with correct and reliable explanation will lead you nowhere except hating islam.
@@dangerousyusra1613 Clearly you didn’t understand me. The death penalty for apostasy and blasphemy has been a part of Islam from the beginning. You can find it in the Koran. (5:33 and 4:89.) This fact, and those two verses are all one needs to know to reject Islam utterly and forever. No religion that can order its members to murder dissenters deserves respect.
@@danielschaeffer1294 this is so typical islamophobe BS... just took the verses without context and then use it against the one who studied it thoroughly.. it is you who didn't understand the verses... do you know who took verses without context like this.. ISIS did it... and you know who funded ISIS right?
Mr. Holland seems to pull his punches more in this film than in his book, although that is not to say that his book takes gratuitous shots at Islam. The boot draws several clear lines to suggest the transmission of Jewish and heretical Christian ideas into Arabia. This file, I think, comes after his book so it's not clear if his thinking has changed or if it's a simple matter that the risks in expressing ideas have changed.
Judging from the fact this documentary was only broadcast once before protests took it off air, it seems reasonable to conclude he had softened it for public reception.
Dude, do you take Mescaline? The documentary is a bit tedious at points, and it sounds as if you enjoyed his book to a degree. Perhaps English is not your first language - and I say that in a friendly way. Because "his book," is not the only thing transmitting "Jewish and" (heretical?) "ideas into Arabia." EVERY source, including the Koran itself does so. Muslim belief in part is that God revealed himself to Jewish/Christian prophets.
I wish you just revealed any info in this document, just one thing as u said where is no where that God mention Mecca in the Holy Quran , and there is no evidence that Kaaba was built there , Holy Quran 48:24 ------------------ وَهُوَ الَّذِي كَفَّ أَيْدِيَهُمْ عَنكُمْ وَأَيْدِيَكُمْ عَنْهُم بِبَطْنِ مَكَّةَ مِن بَعْدِ أَنْ أَظْفَرَكُمْ عَلَيْهِمْ ۚ وَكَانَ اللَّهُ بِمَا تَعْمَلُونَ بَصِيرًا And it is He Who restrained their hands from you, and your hands from them in the valley of Mecca, after having given you control over them; and Allah sees all what you do. Now i want you to think deeply of the message of Islam and whats Islam about , " Thinking" And i hope you're doing you part in that. 2nd do u have evidence that Suleiman temple build in Jerusalem, depends on the jew lives in Nablus its On Jarziem Mountain , so you looking for evidence about Mohammad but you didn't Mention His Capital in the whole documentary which is Al Medina where he started that Empire
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When Muslims conquered Persia they let them rule the empire, minting coins was done by the Persians and Arabs did not know how to make them. That's why they have no coins. Also we know that glorifying Muhammad and making paintings was forbidden so a coin with his name is probably haram. The more I watch the more I see that the researcher doesn't have enough knowledge about Islam.
I think Holland wasting His time in the dessert. He missed out or may be forgot that there is Hadith book written by The disciple of Muhammad's companion. He quoted from His teacher (the companion who met Muhammad). If I'm not mistaken it was 50 years after the death of Prophet so theory that says Hadith is fabricated 200 years after prophet is rubish
So after watching this. I take it that they made the Muslim regilion up as they lived. Didn't matter if it was truth or lies as long as they had something to believe in. Sounds piss poor to me
Yup that's what I took from this as well. The fact that a book written 900 years after Christ, yet somehow puts itself directly in the time of Abraham and later Christ seems very shady. Look at all the scrolls being discovered talking about the Bible and Jesus yet Arabs never bothered to mention the so called prophet.
He lies ( in the documentary) en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seeing_Islam_as_Others_Saw_It en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teaching_of_Jacob en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sebeos en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_the_Presbyter
"...they made the Muslim regilion(sic) up...". Oh, you mean like Christians, Jews, Hindus, etc. did? All religions are made up by humans. Yours too, if you have one.
Christianity and Islam are just two piles of the same shit. One pile went West,one pile went east. Neither one's better or worse .Neither has anything to do with truth or true spirituality. We'd all be better off without either.Fuck 'em BOTH!!! If that pisses someone off, Good.
I think Holland wasting His time in the dessert. He missed out or may be forgot that there is Hadith book written by The disciple of Muhammad's companion. He quoted what His teacher (the companion who met Muhammad) told to Him. If I'm not mistaken it was 50 years after the death of Prophet so theory that says Hadith is fabricated 200 years after prophet is rubish
Yeah, My sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend's dad's uncle's mom's aunt's friend told her . . . And if you refuse to believe, off with your noggin'!
That is only because people of low intelligence do not understand how birth control works, and actually there are more Hindu, and Buddhists, so how do you prove that Islam is the most told story. I would wager that Jahovah witnesses and Mormons along with Scientologists are giving them one hell of a run for their money.
TwistedSister/Haratiofales FYI Islam is right behind Christianity in population. It is predicted to exceed christianity in followers by the year 2050. This video is purposefully lying and misleading people.
@@halaassi4431 There never was a nation called Palestine . The area was part of Turkish empire for centuries. There is no people called Palestinians, they are just Arabs. The term Palestinians was introduced after the Arabs lost the 6 day war.
Carolus Martellus there was never a USA until Christopher Colombo’s what are you talking about it was always an Arab land never did it belong to the Jews and if you look at an old atlas you’ll find it Palestine/Continent What and where are the West Bank and Gaza? Palestine is an Arab country located in Asia on the eastern Mediterranean coast, which is known also as the Levant. It is bordered by Jordan to the east, Lebanon to the north, and the Red Sea and Sinai, Egypt to the south.you must be delusional or never read history 1948 the English wanted to get rid of the Jews so they helped them to occupy Palestine at first they wanted to split it but the Palestinians refused go read and then argue 😉1967the six day war was is when the Jews invaded Gaza and Egypt and Jordan and gollan in Syria read please 🙏🏻
@@halaassi4431 It is a historical fact that Jews inhabited current Israel area over 1000 years even before Muhammed was born. And this knowledge is not based on Old Testament but excavations. Muhammed never visited Jerusalem. Current Israel, Syria, Lebanon and Turkey were inhabited by Jews and Christians until Muslim invaders took over and forced the inhabitants to either turn into Islam, become dhimmi or lose their heads. Your comparison to USA and Columbus does not make sense at all. The area what now muslims call Palestine was part of Ottoman empire, then after collapse of Ottoman empire, under British rule until by UN decision given to Israel and what arabs call palestinians. It was just that the palestinians never accepted this arrangement
By 22:37. This is all nice. The Bedouin there seem to be friendly to Mr Holland. I'm OK with them only having oral stories of Mohamed and just the written Koran . Believers are believers. Fine. But what if there are Christians among them in their country ? Is there the same acceptance and respect the West offers the Arab? Or is there persecution ?
Palestine. West Bank has one of the oldest Christians populations. Their blood is also on the hands of the Zionists but they only talk about the Muslims, in the media, because people are okay with them dying.
Isn‘t it true, that Mohammed‘s best Friend had a tryst with one of his Wifes and from that Day on, all Muslim Women had to cover up...... very plausible!
Although Islam has a theological element, it is essentially a political ideology. It prescribes how society must be structured and is an existential threat to liberal democratic enlightenment. If it were merely concerned with personal worship and personal ethical behaviour, it wouldn't be a problem. But it comes with a set of laws for the governance of the whole of society. Over the next hundred years, Islam should become a powerful political force in Europe and perhaps consigning liberal democratic enlightenment to the ashes of history.
@@whistleblower8289 I can talk whatever is in my heart and Jesus said if you argue over what is acceptable to eat or how to worship and so forth you are not of me.So i will speak my heart that is guided by the Holy Spirit loving all of Gods creations.Im sorry you dont agree and what i talk about is for me to understand.I am not of this world sir and most dont know what im talking about so forgive me my brother.
I watched a documentary and read some on the original holy place. They found all the ancient mosques and where they were oriented to. Everything lined up with the "Bekaa" valley. It was explained that there was a great battle and the victors moved the holy place to "Mecca". Something to think about.
Also there is a hadeeth that Mohamed’s mother when give birth to him her VAGINA produce light which went up to Syria and Lebanon, why exactly this area ??
Any religion which is distributed by oral tradition has faults in it, nobody in the world says the other way aroun! Just because any holly book states this is the true religion doesn’t make it real if you cannot back up with evidence. Truth believing and Faith are all different.
@@kimhill8475 Most likely because he was intimidated and afraid of possibly never coming back home to report on what he found. Islam has always been spread by the sword after all.
razony . Not out of thin air, though. There's a Roman and Jewish record of Jesus Christ. His contemporaries wrote of Him , too. That's what Islam is missing with Mohamed.
@@JochenArweiler take yourself back to those times; imagine you were TOLD or heard stories of a man existing, but might it not be simply hearsay, passed on like gossip? I'm atheist & live in the west. Educate yourself more.
I have watched and thought about the contents of this interesting questioning of traditional narratives. The absolute reliance on written evidence is used in the claims. This is legitimate in academic research. However, one may ask how many people were literate in ancient times and of them what fraction had enough free time to engage in academic research? The answer is a minuscule fraction of the population and these were quite likely courtiers dependent on rulers for their living, while the vast majority of inhabitants were laborers or shepherds or traders . Their accounts were oral - a medium that is discarded in favor of written records. Is there then a compelling reason to accept only written records written by sources who were beholden to tribal leaders or kings? If so, as is the claim by Tom Holland, then one must fold into his conclusion the economic and material incentives of the authors who have left behind written records. It seems to be their records are equally if not more suspect than oral records.
i’m gonna be honest i thought it was gonna be spider man teaching me about Muhammad, but this is wonderful.
On his podcast they make sometimes make that joke.
Me too, ✋🏽guilty
Bruh 😂
Would be an interesting career move for him...
They kinda sound the same?
Isn't it interesting how careful this historians are about even an implied criticism of Islam, yet no other religion gets this same respect.
bcoz islam is the truth
what respect ??? 🤣🤣🤣 you are a big joke like the islam !!! Nobody in the world gives a shit about the islam !!! it's the religion of the stupid people !!! they pray for God for nothing because even God don't love them !!!
All the names of religions other than Islam are created by culture, only the Quran names Islam as a religion, which means that other religions do not exist.
@@ibadurrehman5764 The truth can be investigated. Islam however... there's nothing to investigate. Follow Jesus Christ and live.
@@ibadurrehman5764 He's implying you muslims will go crazy if this documentary would state openly exactly what they wanted to say.
The Arab proverb, “Not being able to know something is no proof it doesn’t exist,” is a ridiculous piece of philosophy. By that logic you can claim absolutely anything. The burden of proof is on the person making the truth claim.
Credo quia absurdum, means the same...
absolutely
@@marcusviniciusalves4971
@@winstonian88 ohhhh , you received the heart of hypocrisy.
Why should atheists be interested in Islam?
Exactly, thats the only reason that religion survives.🤔
Stories that never happened can be infinitely more powerful than stories that did.
which stories 'never' happened?
@@auhmav04 most of that 1 houe clip! Mohammad wasn't really a prophet of Allah! The whole thing is designed to stop the Arab world from imploding. What part of it is hard to understand? Faith is different to fact 🤷♂️
the same with mormon..
or any religion@@fatcrruise6508
And what's your evidence?@@mightyhabib1182
ITS EASIER TO DECEIVE THE MASSES THAN IT IS TO CONVINCE THE MASSES THAT THEY HAVE BEEN DECEIVED.
Yousef Ghaneemah this vid is total Islamophobia
Your statement contradicts itself, not si wise are you
Scott Losey ... bullshit beats the truth every time ... shame 👀
DreamsIntoReality ... can’t spell so ?
ricky elvis typo smartie, got nothing to do with my spelling.
Am i the only one who thought Tom Holland from Spiderman was somehow involve in the documentary?
No you re not the only one hhhhhhh
Hhhhh
@@chafikrabai646 second!
Manuel Valencia you are right Allah may fit as the Spiderweb of the Quran comics
because he's got mosquito nose he's not spiderman
ITS NOT THE EYES THAT IS BLIND BUT THE HEARTS
Abdol denying their own holy book, go read ur own qoran to prove it by ur self
@@mrjean9376he didn't say anything to offend you , and why are you even angry ?
@@alaao82is grandson is only 2 wdym
@@alaao82 IM SAYING
@@dimasnarendrarafifpurwanto lmao
They were only allowed to show this once in the UK, because of massive protests from Muslims. So I can only recommend "In the Shadow of the Sword" by Tom Holland, that is the book he basically are "advertising" for here, to get the full story of what he gives the "headlines" for here. (I've read it probably 4-5 times!)
This video also has been refuted by scholars and historians as well. He seems to be more ignorant and close minded to bother to look further more research.
@@AFGsultanZLet me guess....rEfUtEd by highly biased Islamic lunatics that present some idiotic philosophical mumbo jumbo without ANY material historical evidence....
The Aisha story alone shows that Islam is just another stone age delusional cult....of course the prophet had to be an Arab lol😂
As stupid as the virgin born resurrection ascension white Jesus or the circus show gods of Hinduism.
Alone this anthropomorphic and cultural stupidity of these abrahamic religions make them so stupid....can only shake my head in disgust.
@@AFGsultanZ
The video was refuted by scholars by using taqquiya
Incredible! The supposed "religion of peace" censoring through threats and civil unrest any bad press or uncomfortable facts about the religion's history. Tsk tsk, muslims...
@@Quijote-Salvaje yes the outer or exterior Islam will always be at odds and miss some of the key points as well
It was foretold that lshmael would be:“a wild ass among men; his hand shall be against every man, and every man’s hand against him. And he shall dwell over against all his brethren” (Genesis 16:12).
Pray for his descendants
@Maynard Runkle I believe old scraps of writing that people who were here BEFORE me wrote that have historically and scientifically been proven accurate thousands of times; yet YOU are here watching and commenting on a video that derived from dusty old scraps of paper... the freakin IRONY! Got to be a milinial...🤦🏽♀️😅
@Maynard Runkle If you wasn't so slow, you'd know that different people including Ishmael had their OWN lineages and he was NOT an Israelite he was clearly an Ishmaelite that had 12 princes of his own. God said that ALL valid prophets would come from the seed of Israel... stay in a child's place, this is Chess not checkers! 🖕🏾
pray for the will of God upon the descendants of Jacob who became "Israel" who tricked his brother out of his birthrite, as the Synagogue of Satanites are conning the West as I write.
Hey.hey.hey.hey.hey.... I was told that Muhammad was given instructions to write the Koran by the Angel Gabriel, the messenger of God. I know Gabriel. He told Mary she was to give birth to Jesus. So unless the Koran had a different Gabriel, why wouldn't he tell Muhammad Jesus was the son of God?
@@thebloopsound4241 Then what about david?in the OT he was mentioned that he was the begotten son of god,why dont christian worship him?
Man makes his own stories and history for everything else, there is a mystery.
A political ideology that decided to be a "religion".
Islam is the Antichrist from the Bible
THIS IS THE TOO-OFTEN-UNTOLD STORY
It’s hard to believe that after 1,400 years anything remains to be said about Muhammad, Islam’s texts, and Muslim history.
First, Muhammad said he got the Qur'ān privately from an angel in a cave.
When he nevertheless found that he was making only a small impact in Mecca, in 622 he left for Yathrib with some fellow emigrants-Islam’s Hijrah-changed Yathrib’s name to Medina, and embarked on a different route to influence: war, which has remained Islam’s way ever since (though Muslims are certainly on a peace offensive now, apart from their war in Africa’s Sahel).
“The Apostle...struck whoever turned his back to (God) until he came to Islam, willingly or grudgingly” (Islam’s first caliph, Abu Bakr, quoted in al-Tabari's History of the Prophets and Kings”). Grudgingly, huh?
An interviewer in 2011 asked Ahmad Abu Quddum “So we are commanded to fight in order to spread the religion of Allah?”
“Yes,” he said, “this is Islam’s way of spreading.”
In his new home, Muhammad drew up a Constitution of Medina that made him the town’s leading citizen. Meanwhile he fought a series of battles, offensive and defensive, including 627’s Battle of the Trench-a siege, really-after which he personally beheaded at least 600 men and a woman of Medina’s Jewish Banu Qurayza tribe for not supporting him.
“The Messenger of Allah...slaughtered 700 people-that is our Prophet and our religion” (TH-cam’s Abu Muhammad Ar Rusi).
While in Medina, Muhammad sat in judgment of a man who’d killed his children’s mother for having slandered Muhammad, who found the man not guilty: “Oh be witness, no retaliation is payable for her blood” (Abu Dawud 5:4361, a canonical hadith).
In early 630, Muhammad triumphantly returned to Mecca at the head of an army. He died there in June 632.
So what do Islam’s texts say? They are extensive, but include
Qur'ān 2:2, which discourages THINKING about the Qur'ān: “This is the Book about which there is no doubt.”
Qur'ān 2:285 makes the point clearer still: “We hear and we obey.”
And Qur'ān 5:101-02 adds “Do not put questions about things which if declared to you may trouble you....A people before you...became disbelievers on account of them.”
So what is Muslims’ mandate? Qur'ān 2:251 says “And if it were not for Allah checking [some] people by means of others, the earth would have been corrupted....” (The brackets are in the translation.) Qur'ān 2:216 has Muhammad saying “Fighting is enjoined on you.” And Bukhari 4:52:311 has him saying “When you are called by the Muslim ruler for jihād fighting, you should go forth immediately.”
And Muslims’ defense of Islam is to be brutal. Qur'ān 5:33 says “The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides.”
Qur'ān 8:67 says “It is not for a prophet to have captives [of war] until he inflicts a massacre [upon Allah's enemies] in the land” (brackets of which are in the translation), which makes of Muhammad a brutal man of war.
Indeed, Qur'ān 9:3 says “Allah and His Apostle are free from liability to the idolaters.”
Quickly then, Qur'ān 9:5 says “When the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush,” a clear exhortation to premeditated murder.
Finally, in 712, eighty years after Muhammad’s death, al-Hajjaj bin Yousef cited Qur'ān 47:4’s “O True believers, when you encounter the unbelievers, strike off their heads” to justify a slaughter of thousands in Brahmanabad, far up the Indus River valley.
But does that typify Muslim history?
Muslims invaded India, not the reverse; Persia, not the reverse; the Byzantine Empire (including Syria and Egypt), not the reverse; Africa’s Maghreb, not the reverse; Europe, not the reverse; and fought the Chinese on the Talas River, far from Arabia.
“The Mohammedan Conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history,” wrote Will Durant (1885-1981).
And in 636-37, Muslims besieged and took Jerusalem, to which they had no claim aside from arrogance.
Moreover, to this very hour, no one has ever invaded Arabia’s Hejaz, which embraces both Mecca and Medina.
Have Muslim jihādis misunderstood Islam? Ibn Khaldun (1332-1406), a Muslim sociologist admired in the West, once summarized Muslims’ obligations this way:
“In the Muslim community, the holy war is a duty because of...[the obligation to] convert everyone to Islam either by persuasion or by force....The other groups did not have a universal mission, so the holy war was not a religious duty to them....All of them are unbelief. This is clearly stated in the noble Qur'an. [To] discuss or argue those things with them is not up to us. It is [for them to choose among] conversion to Islam, payment of the poll tax [jizya], or death.”
Abul A'la Maududi (1903-1979) wrote "The goal of Islam is to rule the entire world and submit all of mankind to the faith of Islam. Any nation or power in this world that tries to get in the way of that goal, Islam will fight and destroy....The believers [are] under an obligation to do their utmost to dislodge them from political power and make them live in subservience to the Islamic way of life."
And in 2015, Abu Bakar Bashir said “If the West wants to have peace, then they must accept Islamic rule.”
That, then, is what the world is up against and what much of the world is loath to face. It’s also what humanity MUST face if it’s to survive.
“Avoid novelties, for every novelty is an innovation, and every innovation is an error” (Muhammad, quoted at Abu Dawud 3:4590).
Mohammed was just another “Joesph Smith” who was discontented with the religions of his day, so he borrowed from several religions and made up the rest claiming “private revelation”. It gained for him a lot of power- which further bolstered his pride and insanity.
I believe their egos make Muhammad compare more closely with Donald Trump than with any other contemporary or recent figure.
That sums up all religions.
@@michaelbattenfield4100Perhaps Mohammed was role model for Joseph Smith.
Mohammed was a shepherd, merchant, prophet, rebel, war lord and theocratic despot.
Mohammed had plenty of wifes, but he had no living sons. The death of the prophet and the betrayal of her trusted men are also silent history. Fatima's children and Ali were brutally silenced.
See also these documentaries: "The Mysteries Of Islam's Most Sacred Site" and "Islam False Religion Exposed".
I can`t believe that Tom hasn`t mentioned Medina throughout this documentary, even though all of the Korans surahs are divided into the Meccan(surahs that were revealed anytime before the migration or the Hijra) and the Medinan suras, that are those supposed revelations that occurred after the migration to the city of that name. Mecca is(and was I suppose) barren, while Medina IS much greener, with fertile soil to grow fruits and vegetables.
Exactly.
Precisely, Tom Holland's idea is that if Islam was passed off as having appeared in Medina or in another place close to Jewish and Christian influences, that would make Islam less original and there would be nothing miraculous to convert to him. Presenting Islam as being born in the depths of the Sahara far from any religious influence would give more credit to this religion as being a divine revelation.
It doesn't fit the descriptions, however. It has no olive trees, for instance - how do you explain that?
@@alialmunguy316 it would, if it were. However, all you need to do is do some source criticism to rule that out.
He came to this study with an attitude there's nothing he gone get. He doesn't even know the surahs are devided into two and goes ahead as far as Israel to place the context of the Quran SMH!
We've all heard about it being the religion of peace! We also know actions speak louder than words!
Chuck & Maxx, you should see "HyperNormalisation" by Adam Cutris.
@Maxx Fleischer yeah? I missed the news about The West starting the war.
@Maxx Fleischer the one this crap hole started in 2001. None of those you mention are relevant to the "religion of peace". Please don't deflect try and stay on topic.
Yes, just be careful not to cherry pick verses from the Qur'an or The Bible without understanding the context.
Aggression of the USA was First you invaded and supported terrorists in Afghanistan in Syria in irak so stop acting innocent - the us empire is the biggest bullshit the world has ever experienced - you sacrifice your own people for money and Kapital- you are the biggest unethical murderers and rulers ever - lies lies lies and all you people are manipulated from head to bottom by your fucked up rulers who are fachist and money greedy - humanity you don’t know! Respect you don’t know ! Fachism at it’s Peak!!!
"For the first 100 years after the founding of "Islam", none of the Mosques "Qibla" faced towards "Mecca", for the first 120 years of Islamic history, none of the surrounding Nations knew about the existence of "Mecca", the word "Mecca" appears only once in the Quran, the most revered site was referred to as "Mashjd al Haram", "forbidden gathering place". The Al Aqsa Mosque "Qibla" does not point to "Mecca", the Khirbat al Mafja Mosque built 724 AD, 103 years after the founding of "Islam", its "Qibla" does not point to "Mecca", all Mosques built in first 100 years after founding of "Islam", pointed to Petra in Jordan... There is no record of "Muhammad" being "born in Mecca", the Quran describes "Gardens, Orchards, Fields" surrounding "Muhammad's birth place", soil tests have shown that there have never been fertile ground around "Mecca"...to the West, Northern Africa, Spain, the Umayyad-(traditionallists) built Mosques facing Petra, in Iraq, to the East, the Abbasid-(reformers) built Mosques facing "Mecca", 683 AD Ibn Zubayr destroyed the original "Kaaba" in Petra....."
Reference: "The Sacred City". Timeline World History.
Controversial, and absolutely worth considering....
Question is: How Authentic, Adequate and Authorize is The Sacred City". Timeline World History? What if, I say this reference is self-created and full of Lies, nonsensical, baseless and lunatics and fools of lexicons?
What if, we challenge the Bible and Jesus like that? How would you prove then?
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"What if"..... How about, you search the "Timeline World History" Documentary "referenced" for yourself...?
"Self created lies, non-sensical, baseless, fools lexicon...". !?
What do you think Religious dogma is......"Divine". !?!!?
What is written in the Bible is clearly not the best that Humanity is capable of in the ethical domain. Not by people who claim the authority of fabricated pieces of primeval myth and fiction and want me to believe that these are "Divine", that, I won't have, and it is the original repudiation.
The first rebellion against mental slavery comes from saying ; this is man-made, it is not "Divine". The age of subscribing to the dictates of Parables, Prose, Fantasies and Fables, prescribed by morality signalling hypocrites who presume to speak on behalf of a Celestial Patriarch in whose "name" they cast aspersions, judgements, condemnation and prejudice while claiming that these are "God's verdict", is over
Conciousness has recognised an authentic understanding of knowledge free from the conceit and contrivances of an ultimatum based superstitious hysteria prescribed by lies, fabricated fiction. The age of ignorance is over.
@@iq2823
"Lies, fools of lexicon, baseless, nonsensical, self created....". !?
"What if"...... How about you research "Timeline World History" Doco for yourself.... and form your opinion on actually deciding for yourself instead just being outright dismissive ..... seriously, the epitome of ignorance is to dismiss outright without having any experience, knowledge, insight yourself.
What is written in the Bible is clearly not the best that Humanity is capable of in the ethical domain. Not by people who claim the authority of fabricated pieces of primeval myth and fiction and want me to believe that these are "Divine", that I won't have, and it is the original repudiation. The first rebellion against mental slavery comes from saying ; this is man-made, it is not "Divine".
The age of subscribing to the dictates of Parables, Prose, Fantasies and Fables prescribed by morality signalling hypocrites who presume to speak on behalf of a Celestial Patriarch in whose "name" they cast aspersions, judgement, condemnation and prejudice while claiming that these are "God's verdict", is over.
Conciousness has recognised an authentic understanding of knowledge free from the conceit and contrivances of an ultimatum based superstitious hysteria, the age of ignorance is over.
@iq2823...."What if" !?
How about, you research the references for yourself, the title is provided, the epitome of ignorance is to dismiss something outright without having any knowledge or experience of that you dismiss.
What is written in the Bible is clearly not the best that Humanity is capable of in the ethical domain. Not by people who claim the authority of fabricated pieces of primeval myth and fiction and want me to believe that these are "Divine", that I won't have, and it is the original repudiation. The first rebellion against mental slavery comes from saying ; this is man-made, it is not "Divine".
The age of subscribing to the dictates of Parables, Prose, Fantasies and Fables prescribed by morality signalling hypocrites who presume to speak on behalf of a Celestial Patriarch in whose "name" they cast aspersions, judgement, condemnation and prejudice while claiming that these are "God's verdict", is over.
Conciousness has recognised an authentic understanding of knowledge free from the conceit and contrivances of an ultimatum based superstitious hysteria, the age of ignorance is over.
@@iq2823 How Authentic, Adequate and Authorize is the books of hadith? What if their reference is self-created and full of Lies, nonsensical, baseless and lunatics and fools of lexicons?
Some believe mathematics, engineering, etc came from Islam. Many scientific, mathematical and engineering things had their beginnings in the Arab world before the rise of Islam in the 6th century; however, as Islam spread and began to change the hearts and minds of the people in the Arab world the people’s ability for discovery and innovation dropped off dramatically.
That's not historical either.
You can tell by the number of muslim nobel laureates
I'm an ex Muslim, let me make it easy to understand, they don't say that these sciences came from Islam, but there were Muslim scientists who made major discoveries.
That one part of the story now the other one is, that People like Alkhawarizmi and Ibn Sina، they have been accused of blasphemy by Muslim imams because they favor mathematic and logical science rather than religious sciences.
There are far older texts of maths and medicines with Hindu civilisation which survived the multiple conquest of various marauders
@@sanjeevpanicker5889 Very good, I know this information, and I didn't said that the muslims who invented maths, I said they were ones of the best, and hindu also the worst lie in the history far worst than Islam
After a while in I couldn’t wait to read the comments, wasn’t disappointed
Change of the qibla (Arabic: تحويل القبلة) is the event in which the qibla of Muslims (direction of performing some rituals) was redirected from al-Aqsa mosque, in Bayt al-Maqids (Jerusalem), to the Ka'ba (in Mecca). The event occurred in Rajab, 2/January, 624, after the revelation of al-Qibla Verse. According to the majority of historiographers, the change of qibla occurred in Masjid al-Qiblatayn in Medina in the middle of the noon prayer. One interesting point about the redirection of the qibla is how people turned in the middle of a congregational prayer to over 160 degrees.
But the archeological evidence says that muslims decades later still didnʼt pray towards Mekka
According to Dan Gibson, the very first mosce with the Qibla Mekka was not until the seventwentyth. ALL Quiblas before were directed towards Petra. compare Jay Smith, th-cam.com/video/ZZE_TXn3qxw/w-d-xo.html
WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Petra
then why all the mosques built directed to the north of Mecca? Why the description of Mohammed's location being in a valley of olive farmers surrounded by mountains?
You mistakenly forgot to mention that it was a deceiving man that made it all up and that none of it is true and that Islam is based COMPLETELY on lies and jealousy. The filth of man.
I think that it may have been Benjamin Franklin who said that religion in the hands of the good is a force for good, and in the hands of the evil it is a force for evil.
The man that set free slaves of christian people... it applies to it all
Im a Christian. I will confess,Im not a practicing Christian. I sin. But,I believe in the Bible way,but moreso,how God and/Holy Ghost touches me in the things I do.
Yet...my reason for chiming is is this...
There was a time,not long ago,where all people of every religion,was welcome to visit the muslim nations. Then,with the great wealth of oil found in Egypt (during my lifetime) ,came the influx,or almost to a fact,an invasion of the Mideast,and along with them,came vulgarity,pride,oppression of persons,ie.,lack of respect for those whose countries we swarmed in on,and still,more sinful ways. I was in the Marines and visited Turkey. It was amazing.Beautiful.The people were so kind and hospitable. So eager to offer their hospitality. Yet,at the port areas,where most American servicemen hung around,vulgarity and drunkenness abound . Sadly,the very poor who lived there,saw the chance to feed their families by accomodating the desires of the servicemen. I was stunned at the difference in the qualities of persons,between them and us . We acted like barbarians. After years of behavior like this,it affected those people. And this corruption of their ways,of their lives and lands continue to this day. Who we call terrorists,are people who,earlier,have asked us to leave. We jeered in their faces,and stayed.If someone entered your home,and acted like a drunken,vulgar fool,submitting your children to sinfulness on a daily basis,and refused to leave your home,wouldnt you,after a while,take measures to force the evil from your home?
I love my country,the USA. BUT,I am also ashamed of it as well .
Defending your home from evil,sinful invasion is NOT an act of terrorism,but an act of self preservation wholesomeness. We have NO business staying where we arent wanted. And they have every right to defend their lands and lifestyles from our vulgar invasion.
Criticize me if you will,but Ive BEEN there,and I feel compassion for their struggle against our invasion into their homes.
kind of interesting but for the first ~20 minutes you don't say anything other than "there is no evidence and it is hard to find any". I ended up watching the rest on x1.5 speed
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I believe that IS the point. There is no proof. Whereas, with Christians, everything in the Bible can be proven.
kkkkkkkkkk never rush times like this the best is at the end
@@gracec1665 Lol
someone making a historic research and documentary , and the only people he talk to , are 4 Bedouins , who are simple people with no scholar knowledge . You can geuss the quality of this documentary xD , it's just bullsht
@@hamza-trabelsi You don't really do your point very much justice in criticizing the "4 Bedouins" considering the people who first administered and created the religion were in fact "simple people with no scholar knowledge". He was speaking to them to gain perspective on what the adherents to the faith actually believe; his thesis isn't underpinned wholly by what they have to say but to dismiss them as you have is to dismiss the views of average Muslims who aren't scholars but nonetheless practice the religion.
The story is hampered by the fact that Arabs of that day did not keep written records. That came only later. So of course there is not a paper trail, showing the circumstances of Islam's rise. But to then offer your opinion as definitive, that Islam arose from the Arab empire, is imposing your version on a story where there is no documentation, either way. It's historical malpractice, in other words.
It's true that Mecca became the focus many years later. The niches in the very first mosques were pointed at Petra, according to another account. That gave birth to a theory that Mohammed was from there, being a trader, and Petra being a trading center. And Mecca has literally no archeology at all, which is strange, and difficult to reconcile with the Koran. But something united the Arabs before they could become an empire. This was no small thing - they were famous for inter-tribal wars. To this point, I haven't seen anything that would disprove the standard narrative - that it was the rise of this new religion, brought about by Mohammed. Only the lack of a paper trail, which you'd expect, given who the people were.
Muhammed travelled to Syria with caravans
There is written evidence from that very era up to this day. There is no any other religion which has pure authentic and unadulterated records than Islam.
Mr. Tom Jelinek , your comment is logic, but Islam has nothing to do with Petra at all , it was on the way of the caravans. I think Jay smith came up with this one, that most of the mosques I mean the Qibla was directed towards south-east /west from the north of Arabia , we had no astronomers at that time too to have the Qibla direction towards Mecca 🕋 accurately, see nowadays mosques 🕌 for instance. Petra was nothing after the Roman conquest in the 1st century AD . It was inhabited by Arabs , the remnants of Thamud. By the way , Mecca still have many archeological sites , but unfortunately after conquest of Ibn Saud in 1925 , many of these sites were destroyed, some graves of the companions of prophet Muhammad se still there especially the great wife of prophet Muhammad PBUH who shared him the very first moments after he received the first revelation of Quran. My greetings.🌹
@ yaania rasheed , Arabs knew many names of a thing , they are “linguists by nature “ even before Islam, one of the Arab linguists named “Al’Asma’i” knew more than 50 names for the “Stone” 😁, I knew bedouins who still use different names of the stone, like , Mangula, Gla’aa, and still “in their mother Arab dialect” ,unbelievably, amazingly use metaphor . The way they point to things and the way they describe them, it’s like magic.
Even if there is a written trail, can you still believe everything that got to be written? I mean most of Roman history and life were written by those who could access education, or you can say the Elites. They never tell you what's like being the normies or even slaves.
Maybe there were conquer that been exaggerated, like you'd find politics these days.
Not every documents could prove the truth.
Laughing at ppl who thought this was the other TOM HOLLAND
who?
@@philosoftfurkitusjunkyard2462 the guy who played Spiderman in MCU.
@@whisperingwind7 im not well conversed in many topics including superheroes.
no worries, superheroes topic is not for everyone.
theres ton of more interesting topics out there better than superheroes.
@@whisperingwind7 i most interested in solving stupidity problems, i'm not interested in many things including super stuff. insert dry smiley face here.
That was why Muslims are called BELIEVERS.
And In Shaa Allah we would REAP the REWARDS 🙏🏽🤲🏽🙏🏽
That's wishful thinking that could put you on the road to hell. If historical facts don't support your faith, then does this lead you down a false path? Think about what is presented here. A Quran that describes a place much further north than Mecca, a town called Mecca that does not exist at the time of Mohammed, no historical references to anyone named Mohammed until 50 years after his death. The Hadiths were all written down 200 years after Mohammed by people that never knew him. Compare that to Christianity. Watch any program on "the city of David" archeology as an example. You have the right man, at the right place, and in the right time.
Maybe he should look in some of the Ancient Chinese accounts and writings in their ancient history. The Chinese were trading in that area and even with the Romans through various tribal Merchants including Arabs and desert peoples etc from very Ancient times. The Chinese may have some interesting writings about these Arabs and early Islam peoples/religions/practices. Chinese were always guarding their border lands against invaders, they had many tribal vassal states as well so the Chinese were great historians and record keepers, they are sure to have accounts worth reviewing.
By the 8th century or earlier Chinese ceramics were exported to Egypt and Western Asia, and of course much silk was exported to the Roman and Byzantine empires. I don’t remember when the first reference to Islam occurs in Chinese sources, although members of the Sassanian royal family fled to China after their defeat by the Arabs. I The Battle of Talas in around 750 was when the Chinese and Arab armies first encountered each other. The Arabs won.
@@malin5468 Thanks for that , what did they win? Did they win against the Mongols?
@@edmurks236 The Arab Abbasid empire was expanding east and the Chinese expanding westward. There is a description in Wikipedia. You can Google it.
@@edmurks236 that was before the Mongols i believe
@@mikefitzpatrick43 Ok but did the Islam army ever fight the Mongols? I must research it.
the question that has been repeated since the beginning is " how do we know it was like that?" this question applies to all religions and all old historical events; we are sure of nothing unless we look carefully where we need to
Correct. Merely narratives & motives until the reality is maybe revealed. All mankind is like this. What would miraculously set this people apart or make them immune. God ? Truthfully...what is that anyway ? Monotheism - corruption & divisiveness. Convenient really.
Hi there, there have been thousands of canonised Saints and Miracles performed by God's Mother Mary.
Faith is a virtue 🙏🏼 ✨️
Please keep safe 😷
@@StRaphael-we9qn”how do we know it was like that?”
@@T.Ty7can you pick up Quran and just read it? It will answer your questions. Not sure where you living. You might be able to Google one for free in a Quran will be shipped to you you will find the answer. How do you know if it’s true what you asked thank you.
@@zarghona7491The quran is one of the last places we need to look in.
All that nonsense about flying donkeys and the such.
It does shed light on muhammad killing jews and raping children tho
So much internal repetition. Seems each scene and clip is reused three or four or more times in the course of the flick. Could be edited down to 20 min. or less with no loss of content.
And what is your criticism? Style? Style can not be debated
Are the makers of this documentary still alive?
They were able to show the documentary exactly once on the BBC before they were informed they could never show it again.
He didn't include stamp of Muhammad (pbuh)? Letters sent to Roman and Persian empires?
Accurately identified
That has been long discarded as authentic
I'm sure that Mr. Holland's trip to the Middle East for this Documentary didn't include all of the trips to various sites in order too authenticate the relationship to him being a prophet called by God as it is written in the Quran, again as God instructed to be done. May I ask when was the Quran written? And from what text was it taken from that Muhammad knew about Adam, Eve, Abrams, and his sons including his nephew Lot in Sodom/Goliath. Was that taken from the history found in the cave that Mr. Holland visited that showed the cross in that cave?? However, too enlighten the person who wrote that Tom Holland majored in English, doesn't mean he is not a Historian. My B.A., is in Social Work, but my major was Law!! Like law you have to research the facts if their out there, if you want to verify the truth about something or someone. Historians have been interested in this as well as the public forever or it wouldn't be called History without documented facts like DNA!! Another question I read about after listening to another Documentary that included his marriage to a 6yr., but didn't have sex with her until age 9 Aisha, and the story I just read in the comments about how this mother an brother beat his sister, when she didn't comply with them for whatever reason. What sin had she commited? Has the Islamic community read the book of REVELATION from front to back so they have a good take on what the day of judgment is all about?? I'm just curious.......
th-cam.com/video/v-xWBEuUQ40/w-d-xo.html - please go through this and decide who the prophet was - a suggestion.
medium.com/@mgshafi59/skull-asteroid-cac5026adf03
How come this documentary does not reveal the names of the “scholars” who provided their expert opinion? Was this deliberate so that their lives would not be at risk? Not knowing their credentials takes away some credibility to the whole documentary and all that they kept saying is “I don’t know”. I was expecting more substance honestly
I think the woman interviewed is one of the contributors. She died few years back. Her name is Patricia Crone. Fear of retribution is the main reason why. Subscribe to @pfanderfilms, CIRA international you will understand further
Well Tom "Scholars" are the bedouins is the desert...At least from this angle
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Some say Tom is still searching for the answer
The big problem that historians of religions will always find is that religions are not history but mysticism.
Every religious text is a symbolic body that should take the student to a higher level of spirituality. Therefore, the scientific method is not useful to explain religions, which are nothing more than systematized traditions.
Ask yourself this question. Who would be the most powerful God. A God who want your sons to die for him in order to get to heaven or a God who sent his son To die for you so that you can live.
cant have a son.. thats a physical thing. God is metaphysical. So no I dont want anyone to die for my sins, every indiviual is accountent for their actions. What your saying is since (the europianized version of christianity) says jesus died on the cross for them, this enables peole to ignore their morales and dont fear sinning, cuz its already taken care of 2000 years ago. NO. Every man and woman is responsible for their actions and will be taken into account in this or the next life ;) And guess what, saying that he has a son, who then again has a father, who then again has a mother who then again has a ghost, is one of the greatest sins of God. bible says "thou shalt not have other gods than god"
Do you know the meaning of GOD ?? He is God, he can do whatever he wants.. Who are you little creatures wanted to be treat special ?? Look at the mirror, use your brain.. Stop asking questions, start finding the answer.. Or else you just a dumb human being..
@@BEhistoricStudios this dumb people think God is a fucking human 😂 Lol, what a joke. How brain dead can they be.. 😂😂😂 If that the case, I can be God too.. Damn.. So stupid af..
God is not a human stupid guy and in islam this life is just a test but the real life is after die and it's infinity life
a powerfull god does not need anyone to die for him nor to send someone to die for you so you can access heaven if the creator is all powerfull really he says be and it is! may the creator be exhaulted and above all description you ascribe to him out of ignorance
I'm quite sure that the Emperor in Chang'an would have disputed the Emperor in Constantinople's claim to be Master of the Universe.
Agreed .
Did the "Emperor of Constantinople" claim to be Master of the Universe?
So many comments about this being "poorly researched" and "missing so much history/information". Yet know one know what's missing, or where to find it.
@Game Of Web You mentioned a single place, mentioned in a single verse from the Quran. Yet gave no historical relevance to it. Which is what the person in the video was referring too.
Your other references to historical accuracy didn't even show a connection with the Quran.
Your mention of Hirayrah is somewhat strange to me, in all honesty. There are some Islamic scholars, who quote him as being a liar. Saying much of his work was stolen from others. Also, that he was a later convert, and spent little time with Muhammed. As well as criticism by Aisha and Umar. Many point out that Umar even with the physically assaulted him.
What quailifications do you feel on needs to be labeled an "arab" historian, or a "muslim" historian? The video presenter does have a degree, and has written several non-fiction books on historical figures, and historic periods.
@Game Of Web What are you talking about? You actually only addressed one thing I said directly. Yet not enough to dismiss my point. In reference to Hirayrah.
Your talking about a well in the desert, and a place being mentioned in the Bible, still doesn't show the passage you cited, having any historical reference to something that took place.
Do I really need to get into your going on about lawyers being total nonsense, in regards to my asking you about historian qualifications?
It is narrated on the authority of Ibn 'Umar ('Abdullah b. 'Umar) that the Messenger of moon elah Al'lah (may peace be upon him) observed: Verily Islam started as something strange and it would again revert (to its old position) of being strange just as it started, and it would recede between the two mosques just as the serpent crawls back into its hole.
@Game Of Web Again, you are not addressing what I actually said. Apparently it's more important for you to make up your own "version" of what I said.
Also, you are assuming that the person never talked to anyone that was "arab" or "Muslim", simply because you did not see it in the video? That's absurd on numerous levels.
I have no idea what documentary you are referring to on the "life" of Jesus. But, I will say all the ones that I have seen, offer no factual evidence on a historical life of Jesus. Simply speculation based on religious texts. Which are nothing more than historical narratives.
Your reference about someone mentioning some person, named Muhammed, who taught something, offers very little to support your argument. It's really no different than someone in the 1st century CE mentioning a person named Claudius, who was a store owner. Very common.
Your counter arguments are too emotional. You aren't taking the time to put together a coherent comment, that actually support your stance, with anything substantial. All you have really offered is emotion based snippets, that do nothing to actually refute the video.
@@skellingtonmeteoryballoon So you're commenting to the other person?
I watched this documentary a few times .. Very informative.. it is not trying to debunk Islam but rather to get a historical perspective and understanding..I am a Muslim and cannot find Islamic literature on this subject..
You have not tried hard enough.
dear all living people, always remember that we are mere dust in the universe...
Best comment ever
That is so pure beauty like you came from the universe
I thank you so much
@Gary Allen Amen ;)
I hesitated reading the comment section, coz i know itll be a frenzy.
Lol same. Not surprised by what I find haha. It seems we have a clash of civilizations continuing into the virtual world. I know it's a long shot, but hey Muslims and non Muslims, why don't we just chill and be friends and talk about all the dank memes we've been browsing during lockdown?
Same same same lol
Lololol.truly!!the world is in trouble bc of these idots....
Emotionally driven and unbiased way of researching, if you have at least bothered yourself to look the prophet wasn’t at all a bedouin or nomad neither were most of his companions, but you needed that image to strengthen your argument and belittling the subject. I’m not even discussing the topic of the prophet lifestyle and history recordings which are authenticated throughout a strictly scientific standards more than any previous nation even more detailed than the history of America which almost a century later and i can give you all the resources and evidences you need . Me not the bedouins of Jordan whom they had nothing to do the prophet’s life. Don’t make a joke of yourself speaking of science yet desperately misleading the audience
This doc is about one person trying to find it's own doubt about a single person and one religion...its more about a journey of finding something...something that can give answer to his own opinion to the way he think and to the way how he realize...the real stories is at the end of this doc...it's more about himself rather than the history it's self...ask the right question and find the right path..and you may find what you're looking.
Very nice summary. This documentary is about a guy trying to find a new angle to attack Islam. The method chosen here is Mecca didn’t exist and Mohammed was not a real person. Therefore, it’s all made up.
Lol hilarious
You are absolutely right..
Stopt after 5 minutes..... Can not bare the formulation of the presentation , not scientific at all
So true.
@@roelienpostma2367I don’t see it like that, these are issues that I struggle with all the time, not just Islam, Christianity or any religion.
they knew what they were doing including Tom Holland in the title😂
not everyone is a 12 year old comic book fan, son
@@neoneherefrom5836 yes
I noticed that you haven’t mentioned the science of Hadith, this is not just stories, there are strict rules to follow so you can know if the story is correct, corrupted, or a lie.
Seriously, when he said he can't find anything from 7th centaury, it felt so weird. There is so much history from the start.
Islamic history and sayings of prophet Muhammad is preserved under such strict rules that no history rules can match.imams(researchers who studied every auspect of prophets life)has spent their lives to analyze each and every hadiths.proving certificates for each saying and rejected if it not fullfilling the criteria...when u study u vl come to know this way of research is far more authentic than ordinary history
Without lies islam dies
@@giovanni512 please use your mind
ROFL science 😂
Title is untold story, what was told I'm not sure, seems to be more confusing rather than informative
Wajih Sial This was very confusing I can’t stand Documentary that uses Dramatic music
Of course it was confusing to you, the fact that the history of Islam was written more than 100 years after Mohammed was died
i think they didnt had the balls to say what they really mean, it was so confusing! like, so what?!
Confusing is small word. They are making deceptive video here. Just same way as Jews of Prophets Time
Burhan Ilyas
When someone says something they need to present some proof.. otherwise it’s just empty accusation
I read Holland's book, "Dominion"....what an incredible book.
"in the shadow of the sword" is also amazing and is focused on the rise of Islam.
Wow, I just got that one recently and had no idea it was the same guy. Very cool. I will have to look into him more.
I'm going to seek this book out. Tom Holland is fantastic.
What is it about?
@@thewealthofnations4827Dominion is about how Christianity has conquered most of the world ideologically; how the values that it imbues are the foundations of the western ethos and whether you believe or not, you are at least a Christian culturally. An idea that even Richard Dawkins is now admitting though he still reviles Christianity itself.
*"Without lies, Islam dies!"*
As is true for most religions...
They are jealous on Islam's development. Because their holy books have more updates than my android. So they are jealous of us. Still the fastest growing religion in world is islam
@@SuspectUsual
Without lies, tanatan drum dies 🤣✔️
Don't lie to yourself, the world is now seeing what non-Muslims, Jews and Christians, are doing, destruction and ruin, in the fighting, the Prohibition of Islam, the killing of women, children, sheikhs and monks, the demolition of churches and places of worship for non-Muslims don't even cut atree
Lindus spotted who worship cow,toilet,bad breath, poop,rams cok
Even though I understand the majority of it, there are certain parts I don't understand, so please add English subtitles or turn on the automatic subtitle.
Then Learn English
A mystical place in the desert would be a "mirage" to these early humans
@Immortalsoldier Imortalsoldier why are you throwing out insults like an edgy 12 year old?
Calling this "the untold story" is a stretch to say the least
Yeah? where have you heard this version of it before?
Maybe it is not told by the first Muslims. Anyway they only believed what they are told.
The sound effects are very very annoying, though the narrative is very informative!
waste of time watching when the historian doesnt even know how to find and check his sources.
he didnt attempt to investigate the sources
Sorry to write you but this historian has sources. Look at the description and the blue website shortcut is ablazed. He wrote a book, he has sources obviously, and he is there you aren't is what your crying over? He has more knowledge than most people but how he reflects it will always be challenged by others because one's religious beliefs. Jesus is the peace all nations and people need to follow. P_out
Sigma Geranimo I agree with you to a certain extent. Not all religions are belief systems. The ones that are belief systems, you cannot reason with the believers. Faith is not synonymous to belief in all religions. In some religions faith is synonymous with fact. With those members, you can reason.
You could be a good source.. so tell us why the history of your religion was written more 100 years after Mohammed was died?
@@bassamahmed1466 where is u source to said that?
The cinematography is just pure transcendence
well .. looks like a normal TV style documentary to me.
not to say its bad .. but transcendant? well ok .. each to its own!
WEAK! A whole movie of "experts" refuting things and nobody telling you how. Islam is a great source of humor for the educated. Even just the literature
I don't know about "transcendent" cinematography, maybe "some cinematography," "terrific," "radiant," or even "humblle."
Seriously, I think the soundtrack has no right being this good, hiwever.
You dating the film maker?
Cute that he ignored that Jerusalem fell during the 2nd Righteous Caliph, Umar ibn Khattab. (he jumped directly to Muawiyyah).
He ignored also that Mecca has at least one Oasis.
He also can explain how in Jupiter's name, Rome can let a center of resistance bloomed right in the center of Syam.
BTW, the fertile crescent trumped canaan.
Of course he skipped over the obvious. This video was made for Christians to feel better about themselves lol
They have done archeological research into what grew in Mecca. It wasn’t much of anything as they found no evidence of trees as described in the Quran. What is obvious is that the original holy site was not in current day Mecca. You only have to look to the oldest Mosques to determine which direction they prayed and it was not toward current day Mecca. This does not mean Islam is false, it simply means that their holy sites have changed. Jerusalem was never a holy site for Muslims prior to their conquering of Jerusalem. Jerusalem is mentioned ZERO times in the Quran.
Don't talk through your hat. The most holiest site in Islam after mecca and madina is the Al aqsa mosque, which is mentioned in Quran.
@@muhammadjibran8239so why isnʼt Mekka mentioned clearly and more often?
False
last 15 min was good example of how to be genuine and honorable, unbiased researcher/scholar
Who would risk his life? 😂
1:06:34 There is no doubt about the actual location of Mt. Sinai (God or not) and he is not even close.
_For the record:_
Any decent researcher/scholar would have found out where all of the earliest mosques were aligned to. (There is no doubt about that either.)
Where does this fall in the MCU?
I'm an hour in and spiderman still hasn't shown up
😂😂😂😂
Muhammad is thanos
This is the part where Spider-Man converted to Islam.
Man talks a lot but doesn't say much, does he?
Yeah, "weakness" and "honesty" OFTEN sound the same....
I mean, if you demand POWERFUL arguments even though there are little evidence (of ANY sort), wouldn't you then just invite demagogues and manipulators to the conversation? I bet THEY would be more than happy to offer certainties… Don't you think?
@@busylivingnotdying If someone doesn't actually have something to say, why would they bother spending 20 minutes saying it? That would be time better spent presenting whatever evidence DOES exist, if any.
@@plumsink He does say something: conquest may have come FIRST, before THE BELIEF. Now you have a POWER that needs a doctrine to make sure people KEEPS obeying "the powers that be"
But there is a problem:
If the answers are clouded in various traditions, you must first extricate the audience from preconceived ideas (step one) …. already we are in a more complicated place…
Sorry, but there are no shortcuts
@S C in other words: most people :)
I know we can say:
Look how stupid people are, let's ignore them! (or something like that)
But why is that a bad idea?
Because "dum" people don't disappear. They are still there… and sometimes they become powerful (ouch)
And sometimes WE are the dum ones and WE would need someone to be patient with US! (double ouch) :)
@@busylivingnotdying "If the answers are clouded in various traditions, you must first extricate the audience from preconceived ideas."
Proceeding from the assumption that you need to change what people think is problematic to start with. That sounds a bit totalitarian. Present evidence: let people decide whether their own minds are changed or not.
I agree with Praveen's review of Tom Holland's honest and relentless pursuit of historical facts, though it seemed more of a dramatic metanarrative - not a history of the origins of Islam, but a dramatization of one historian's seemingly heroic struggle to penetrate the mists of time. But this is not actually how history is conducted, is it? Anyone would want to start out with the best of what is already written. Why reinvent the wheel? Many if not most professional historians of Islam would direct you to The Venture of Islam: Conscience and History in a World Civilization Vol. 1-3 by Marshall G. S. Hodgson (1974, University of Chicago Press). Though Hodgson died before completing his project, even the first 3 volumes are magesterial in the quality of writing, comprehensiveness of source materials, objectivity AND respect, and sociological complexity.
What was his conclusions? Or, rather, partial conclusions or thesis?
Islam = total couruptiom.
I'm watching this 9 years after this video was posted.
Here's my intake from this video;
- Why did you put so much emphasis on the Bedouin? Arabs are not just Bedouin. The prophet himself was not a Bedouin.
- There was no Muslim empire when the prophet was still alive. He's a prophet, not an emperor.
- History is not just written records.
- You're a historian, so avoid using flattering words such as Roman emperor Master of the universe.
In a thousand years, if we are still here, people will think of us as absolute wack jobs.
In 1000 years humans would be living under the millenial reign of Jesus Christ
They think that now
A year is enough
In a thousand years from now they will think "there were muslims, christians, jews, buddhists..." like we think today "there were people who believed in Zeus, Apollon, Athena, ..."
And now we know why aliens from more advanced societies refuse to visit us. 😅😅
A good quest for an answer to his questions. Appreciate his patience and persistence in keeping asking questions until he himself became confused about his questions. Good exercise, but it must be very expensive one. Congratulations. Finally you know what you don't know.
Lmao
Hahha
😂😂😂😂...
😅
Tom Holland's documentary "Islam: The Untold Story" was heavily criticized by scholars and experts for its numerous inaccuracies and factual errors.
One of the most significant inaccuracies was Holland's assertion that there was no archaeological evidence to support the traditional Islamic account of the life of Prophet Muhammad. Holland claimed that no physical evidence of Muhammad's existence or the early Islamic community had been found, and suggested that this was evidence that the traditional Islamic account of Muhammad's life was a later fabrication.
However, this claim was widely refuted by scholars and experts. Islamic studies professor Jonathan Brown, for example, wrote in a review of the documentary that Holland's claim "reflects a rather bizarre ignorance of the field of early Islamic history and archaeology."
Brown explained that while there is relatively little archaeological evidence from the early Islamic period, there is abundant written evidence from the time that supports the traditional Islamic account of Muhammad's life and the early Islamic community.
Other experts also pointed out factual errors in Holland's documentary, such as his claim that the Kaaba in Mecca was originally a Christian shrine, and his suggestion that the early Islamic conquests were primarily motivated by economic gain rather than religious ideology.
In response to the criticism, Holland issued a statement in which he acknowledged that some of his claims had been "unhelpfully phrased" and expressed regret for any offense caused. However, he maintained that the central thesis of his documentary remained valid.
Overall, the controversy surrounding Holland's documentary highlights the importance of careful and rigorous scholarship when exploring complex historical topics like the origins and development of Islam.
Do you have more research on it? Would be interesting to watch or read.
He has many books. Tom Holland the historian. Not the Spiderman actor
No one has better knowledge of Islam than David wood. He is honest and on the point.
Dizzle really opened the leather strap of the anus for many people, as it pertains to islam, and the noble quran
The conclusion is simplistic. The Prophet somewhat acquired a couple of texts from the Jewish religion and Christianity while traveling as a merchant around Syria, and took them all way back to somewhere in the Arabia desert. There he constructed the book by editing those texts. When he died many had converted but not sure where was the 'somewhere' so early mosques have diverse directions. Many years later some big warlords decided to be as cool as Roman emperors and felt like a cool religion was needed. The current holy city was designated as the original 'somewhere' and everyone in the following hundreds of years who doubted the decision was either killed or banished.
Thats why, its very diffrent and more logical to correct old versions of the same message, its an upgraded version of the same religion I think
Nice dream 🌏😃.Goes to show you havn't the faintest idea what you wrote about .
If simplistic, accurate. Your summary of what he says is brilliant and I mean that. It is what those skeptical of Islam fail to say in millions of words but which you've done in a few.
Your comment is brilliant.
@@bilalabdulsamad9152 Hmmm, sounded pretty convincing to me.
@karlwalters3763 it must have sounded pretty convincing for someone who doesn't know a thing about islam. Don't blame you . Because if you knew anything about islam you would know everything he said contradicts the history and every sentence can be disproven . A simple google search or youtube search will show you the evidence for all the stuff thats being said. And quran and hadith is available free online if you want to check any of the claims. Making up stories and calling them as facts and people who are convinced by them is the biggest joke i see in this world. Its amazing the stuff people comes up with without an atoms worth of facts and evidences.
This is getting pushed on us. Stay where you’re at Islam.
Naaa. It's going to come knock on ur door and then overrun you...🤣🤣
Islam is everywhere, the second largest religion in the u.s. and world. The first black slaves in the U.S were Muslim. Figures like malcolm x and Muhammad Ali among other currently famous people have been muslim also.
Islam would likely be happy to not proselytize as it seems to be forbidden or frowned upon but the west keeps finding reasons to go there.
If it's not a slave trade it's a war.
advitya thapa na
@@PatOD75 🤣🤣🤣.. Ok tough guy, go ahead and do that. Do stock up on the KY too..
@@MurdaIncorporated yaa
What you can say is that his capacity to memorize and to keep the verses in chronological gives an equivalence of his brain capacity
I see you’ve never read the Kora, Islam = total corruption.
lol when he's talking about Christianity the music is uplifting, but when he switches to Islam the background music turns tragic
Yeah, this dude is just making propaganda films.
He himself is tragic at the end of the
Such a waste..He says that there is no evidence through out the doc. but still landing to a conclusion...as per me the evidence is scattered through out the world...this doc. is based on perception and imagination of creator.
Thanks for this comment, just saved me from wasting an hour to watch
So true
They are trying to deny what their own authors already accepted and proved!
Yeh,
Having been in the hotel industry, I have had the fortune of working with many, many persons from many, many culture’s, countries and ethnicities. Retired now for ten years, I regularly golf with Asian golf partners from Taiwan, Korea and those that actually lived in China and owned a factory in China. I very much enjoy hearing about their experiences, opinions, cultures and families. In “79”, I had many Iranian young men work for me. They needed to work due to assets being frozen and not being able to get back to Iran. 45 years later, I know for a fact some of these men have raised families in the U.S. and are as “Americanizes” as can be.
Although I recognize there are many Muslims in the U.S., they DO NOT want to over-assimilate or have there families, descendants effected by the American culture. My neighbor is one. He will not shake hands with someone such as I. I have encountered this many times interacting with persons of that culture. So- although in our country and our culture, their religion does not allow to integrate. This is segregation. Just saying. Definitely now a religion of love in my humble opinion.
Huh? In the US? I could see if it was Europe. The vast majority of Muslims in the US are thoroughly assimilated and will shake hands with anyone who respects them. Hell, they even celebrate the fourth. The only difference I know is that they may forego the hot dogs in favor of a burgher or a beef alternative.
The fist Christian scholar who wrote about Islam was John of Damascus, his book was Fountain of Knowledge (born 670 AC), who confirms Muhammad as the founder of Islam
I don’t this film at the end could conclude anything
It was more entertaining than a historical research
He notably confirmed the Islamic narrative is a fabrication
The point is he mentioned that there was a religion called Islam and his head of religion and their practices roughly 40-50 years after Mohammad dies
@@Adriansonic6072
It would have beem more like 100 years after muhammads death that John wrote about him.
A respectful and sensitive documentary on the topic of the historical origins of Islam. Thank you.
"Maybe if I make a documentary saying nice things about islam they won't kill me."
maybe if you actually had the guts and not fear in reading the quran to know then you will have more to say then that dull quote which any school boy can write as his home work excuse..lol
I am guessing you must like trump as you seems on the same IQ
dont say anything that is not true and learn it's enough
@@indianajones359 dont forget 9/11
@@indianajones359 look at this Islam apologist. Ita not a religion man it's a way of life and culture and it's anathema to western believes and culture.
if you read it then you will not say you will be marked to be killed anywhere. and also 911? really people still not seen all the footage and the exterp report how a plane can not bring that buildings down or even the plane that's not even in the Pentagon or its parts.. how am I speaking to man. obviously wasting my time on that note let's say agree to disagree.. dont educate your self and believe everything you see ✌👍
Thank you for posting I enjoyed watching it love seeing all the places you filmed at loved the old film footage
what about the informations you stupid fuck
@@Akrammfk manners please.
@@nemesis1291 sadly that’s not written in THE BOOK!
Propoganda video .... Proves nothing apart from ignoring archeological, physical , written, verbal and historical facts.
Even a 12 year old can get his history straight
The author looked at the wrong places & sources
Great documentary
PS: 1:07:08 That is because it is not the real Mt. Sinai, the real Mt. Sinai is in Arabia (as Paul tells us in Galatians) and is called Jabal Al-Lawz today. All the evidence needed to show it is there too. Its top is burnt, altars at the base, a cave part way up, the remains of the Golden Calf altar + a bunch of carvings of a calf, a massive cemetery 3 miles east of the base (Ex 32), and many petroglyphs of script that looks like a precursor to Paleo Hebrew, and petroglyphs of sandles which would only connect very well to the Israelites taking hold of God's promise in Deuteronomy 11:24. And much more. An excellent book showing all this is Mount Sinai in Arabia by Joel Richardson.
You Wrong Geographicly 🤷
@@kalibiznes 1. Are you saying Paul was wrong in Galatians 4:25? And have you read "Mount Sinai in Arabia" by Joel Richardson?
8:50 He predicted this documentary to come out like this, that's why he said "no"!
He is a wise man.
No need to predict nothing.. it’s true that there is mo any archaeological evidence thar proves the history of islam at its birth... The Islamic history was written more that a 100 years after Mohammed was died 🤷🏻
IDK /
The battles you’ve mentioned were documented because they were true events. And NO.. no history of islam was written and compiled in1-2 decade. First historian collected the oral stories and formed a biography of Mohammed was Ibn Ishaq a century after Mohammed’s death. But the original copy of that biography disappeared after a man called Ibn Hisham editted it and wrote a new one a century after ibn Ishaq.
IDK /
To answer your question about Abu Baker i need a time machine to go back to that time.. because no history was wetting.. the history of the Islam you know and everyone knows about was written 2 centuries after its birth 🤷🏻
IDK / As for those battles they were international events.. they had big impacts in area.. that’s why everyone knows about them.. but they don’t prove anything about islam.. they were battles between the arabs and Persians and Romans.. because their details aren’t profound facts neither.
IDK / Brother.. I’m telling history about the first biography of Islam by ibn Ishaq and later Ibn Hisham and you are telling a sort of bloodline story? 🤷🏻
He loves seeing his own face. That's as much as I could gather.
What, you think he edited this documentary?
For those interested in learning about the pagan roots of Islam, rituals that were adopted by Muhammad from pre-Islamic Arabia, I highly recommend watching the archaeology videos by Lloyd de Jongh. He has made several very interesting ones.
That big NO from the Professor humbled me so hard
It didn’t humble me at all. It made me angry at his arrogance and intellectual dishonesty - and rather worried about what attitudes like his lead to. What he was really saying is “You’re treading on dangerous ground.” For a year after this Holland and his family got the usual death threats. People who disagree too loudly do so at their own risk.
@@danielschaeffer1294 it is not eyes that blind.. but the hearts
you can call me anything, but understanding islam history without understanding islam in deep with correct and reliable explanation will lead you nowhere except hating islam.
@@dangerousyusra1613 Clearly you didn’t understand me. The death penalty for apostasy and blasphemy has been a part of Islam from the beginning. You can find it in the Koran. (5:33 and 4:89.) This fact, and those two verses are all one needs to know to reject Islam utterly and forever. No religion that can order its members to murder dissenters deserves respect.
@@danielschaeffer1294 this is so typical islamophobe BS... just took the verses without context and then use it against the one who studied it thoroughly..
it is you who didn't understand the verses...
do you know who took verses without context like this.. ISIS did it... and you know who funded ISIS right?
How can anyone follow a religion that promotes violence? They spread chaos and intolerance along with violence.
Mr. Holland seems to pull his punches more in this film than in his book, although that is not to say that his book takes gratuitous shots at Islam. The boot draws several clear lines to suggest the transmission of Jewish and heretical Christian ideas into Arabia. This file, I think, comes after his book so it's not clear if his thinking has changed or if it's a simple matter that the risks in expressing ideas have changed.
Judging from the fact this documentary was only broadcast once before protests took it off air, it seems reasonable to conclude he had softened it for public reception.
Dude, do you take Mescaline? The documentary is a bit tedious at points, and it sounds as if you enjoyed his book to a degree. Perhaps English is not your first language - and I say that in a friendly way. Because "his book," is not the only thing transmitting "Jewish and" (heretical?) "ideas into Arabia." EVERY source, including the Koran itself does so. Muslim belief in part is that God revealed himself to Jewish/Christian prophets.
I wish you just revealed any info in this document, just one thing as u said where is no where that God mention Mecca in the Holy Quran , and there is no evidence that Kaaba was built there ,
Holy Quran 48:24
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وَهُوَ الَّذِي كَفَّ أَيْدِيَهُمْ عَنكُمْ وَأَيْدِيَكُمْ عَنْهُم بِبَطْنِ مَكَّةَ مِن بَعْدِ أَنْ أَظْفَرَكُمْ عَلَيْهِمْ ۚ وَكَانَ اللَّهُ بِمَا تَعْمَلُونَ بَصِيرًا
And it is He Who restrained their hands from you, and your hands from them in the valley of Mecca, after having given you control over them; and Allah sees all what you do.
Now i want you to think deeply of the message of Islam and whats Islam about , " Thinking" And i hope you're doing you part in that.
2nd do u have evidence that Suleiman temple build in Jerusalem, depends on the jew lives in Nablus its On Jarziem Mountain , so you looking for evidence about Mohammad but you didn't Mention His Capital in the whole documentary which is Al Medina where he started that Empire
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@@khalidwalid658 Have you actually studied the Islamic religion and its history?
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I don’t think .
@@shahidachoudhury6925 you think that u both know Islam better than I do!! I really doubt
@@rickonami why r you asking me? instead, try to answer the comment above
When Muslims conquered Persia they let them rule the empire, minting coins was done by the Persians and Arabs did not know how to make them. That's why they have no coins. Also we know that glorifying Muhammad and making paintings was forbidden so a coin with his name is probably haram. The more I watch the more I see that the researcher doesn't have enough knowledge about Islam.
And what is with the countless of coins that were shown in the documentary? So you say Arabs just forgot how to make coins after conquering Persia?
"No proof of something is not proof that it doesn't exist." Intellectual titan right there…
maybe but he is right. one does not meany the other.
Every thing starts as a logical deduction
We are all proofs
More like abduction
I think Holland wasting His time in the dessert. He missed out or may be forgot that there is Hadith book written by The disciple of Muhammad's companion. He quoted from His teacher (the companion who met Muhammad). If I'm not mistaken it was 50 years after the death of Prophet so theory that says Hadith is fabricated 200 years after prophet is rubish
So after watching this. I take it that they made the Muslim regilion up as they lived. Didn't matter if it was truth or lies as long as they had something to believe in. Sounds piss poor to me
Yup that's what I took from this as well. The fact that a book written 900 years after Christ, yet somehow puts itself directly in the time of Abraham and later Christ seems very shady. Look at all the scrolls being discovered talking about the Bible and Jesus yet Arabs never bothered to mention the so called prophet.
He lies ( in the documentary)
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"...they made the Muslim regilion(sic) up...". Oh, you mean like Christians, Jews, Hindus, etc. did? All religions are made up by humans. Yours too, if you have one.
Christianity and Islam are just two piles of the same shit. One pile went West,one pile went east. Neither one's better or worse .Neither has anything to do with truth or true spirituality. We'd all be better off without either.Fuck 'em BOTH!!! If that pisses someone off, Good.
Lol the comments are better than the documentary!
To listen to the truth, it's hard I know 😄😄😄😄 what ex muslims are saying is true.
I think Holland wasting His time in the dessert. He missed out or may be forgot that there is Hadith book written by The disciple of Muhammad's companion. He quoted what His teacher (the companion who met Muhammad) told to Him. If I'm not mistaken it was 50 years after the death of Prophet so theory that says Hadith is fabricated 200 years after prophet is rubish
Islon dini uchun allohga hamd bolsin❤❤ longlive Islam ❤
“Islam the most told story”
Yeah, My sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend's dad's uncle's mom's aunt's friend told her . . . And if you refuse to believe, off with your noggin'!
That is only because people of low intelligence do not understand how birth control works, and actually there are more Hindu, and Buddhists, so how do you prove that Islam is the most told story.
I would wager that Jahovah witnesses and Mormons along with Scientologists are giving them one hell of a run for their money.
AND What Is The Greatest LOVE STORY Ever Told?
TwistedSister/Haratiofales FYI Islam is right behind Christianity in population. It is predicted to exceed christianity in followers by the year 2050. This video is purposefully lying and misleading people.
@@zillionsofpebbles879 When Jesus died for the sins of mankind.
Mr Hollands book "Sword of Islam" - I think it's called - covers the subject of this video in some depth and is very good.
The most misleading documentary of Islamic history I ever saw...
💯 it was made to justify the occupation dear clear as day
@@halaassi4431 There never was a nation called Palestine . The area was part of Turkish empire for centuries. There is no people called Palestinians, they are just Arabs. The term Palestinians was introduced after the Arabs lost the 6 day war.
Carolus Martellus there was never a USA until Christopher Colombo’s what are you talking about it was always an Arab land never did it belong to the Jews and if you look at an old atlas you’ll find it Palestine/Continent
What and where are the West Bank and Gaza? Palestine is an Arab country located in Asia on the eastern Mediterranean coast, which is known also as the Levant. It is bordered by Jordan to the east, Lebanon to the north, and the Red Sea and Sinai, Egypt to the south.you must be delusional or never read history 1948 the English wanted to get rid of the Jews so they helped them to occupy Palestine at first they wanted to split it but the Palestinians refused go read and then argue 😉1967the six day war was is when the Jews invaded Gaza and Egypt and Jordan and gollan in Syria read please 🙏🏻
@@halaassi4431 It is a historical fact that Jews inhabited current Israel area over 1000 years even before Muhammed was born. And this knowledge is not based on Old Testament but excavations. Muhammed never visited Jerusalem. Current Israel, Syria, Lebanon and Turkey were inhabited by Jews and Christians until Muslim invaders took over and forced the inhabitants to either turn into Islam, become dhimmi or lose their heads. Your comparison to USA and Columbus does not make sense at all. The area what now muslims call Palestine was part of Ottoman empire, then after collapse of Ottoman empire, under British rule until by UN decision given to Israel and what arabs call palestinians. It was just that the palestinians never accepted this arrangement
Accept the truth
no way our spiderman is now a historian, anyway best of luck for your new career bro
With great power there must also come great responsibility
Legendary 🏆 Word's 🔥
By 22:37. This is all nice. The Bedouin there seem to be friendly to Mr Holland. I'm OK with them only having oral stories of Mohamed and just the written Koran . Believers are believers. Fine.
But what if there are Christians among them in their country ? Is there the same acceptance and respect the West offers the Arab?
Or is there persecution ?
Palestine. West Bank has one of the oldest Christians populations. Their blood is also on the hands of the Zionists but they only talk about the Muslims, in the media, because people are okay with them dying.
Can you even imagine the stench that follows them around?
The word of Islam was spread by the sword.
@Tecumseh, you are a hateful, ignorant twat.
@@zak28lexus what are Zionists ,thanking you in advance
Why don’t you have a prominent Muslim scholar? Could have made it more interesting
Isn‘t it true, that Mohammed‘s best Friend had a tryst with one of his Wifes and from that Day on, all Muslim Women had to cover up...... very plausible!
Are you dissing Prof Seyeed Hossain Nasr (9m in)? Anyway, he's not at all interested in history - for him it's not 'real' :))
Paul Bolger there is no occult its pretty straight forward read it and see
Juerg Stucki NZ no it’s not true and none of this is Quran neither is his marriages or the women he supposedly married
An hour and eleven minutes of Tom Holland thinking, "I found a crater BUT do meteors exist?"
Although Islam has a theological element, it is essentially a political ideology. It prescribes how society must be structured and is an existential threat to liberal democratic enlightenment. If it were merely concerned with personal worship and personal ethical behaviour, it wouldn't be a problem. But it comes with a set of laws for the governance of the whole of society. Over the next hundred years, Islam should become a powerful political force in Europe and perhaps consigning liberal democratic enlightenment to the ashes of history.
Evil one loves War,Lies and separation.The Serpant continues to whisper in the ears of strong men.
USA USA USA
MOSES LIFTED THE SERPENT.... WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT(?)😵
@@whistleblower8289 I can talk whatever is in my heart and Jesus said if you argue over what is acceptable to eat or how to worship and so forth you are not of me.So i will speak my heart that is guided by the Holy Spirit loving all of Gods creations.Im sorry you dont agree and what i talk about is for me to understand.I am not of this world sir and most dont know what im talking about so forgive me my brother.
@@whistleblower8289 I stop casting stones when i was enlightened.Somtimes i dont understand its a mystery like Scooby doo
Evil one love war ok like trump america israel.
The quesion is how do we know that Tom Holland exist? the answer is we dont know.
@Steve Lyons how do we know where is the proof?
I watched a documentary and read some on the original holy place. They found all the ancient mosques and where they were oriented to. Everything lined up with the "Bekaa" valley. It was explained that there was a great battle and the victors moved the holy place to "Mecca". Something to think about.
…moved the holy place, how convenient.
@Larsbording remember in war the victors are the ones who write the history but, somethings you can't hide.
This documentary is a joke. Islam is a fake religion made up.
I believe this could be what happened and Islam was in Jordan or Syria somewhere, as ibrahim never been to Mecca 🕋
Also there is a hadeeth that Mohamed’s mother when give birth to him her VAGINA produce light which went up to Syria and Lebanon, why exactly this area ??
Any religion which is distributed by oral tradition has faults in it, nobody in the world says the other way aroun! Just because any holly book states this is the true religion doesn’t make it real if you cannot back up with evidence. Truth believing and Faith are all different.
I assume the Tom Holland is Muslim since he bowed down and worshiped with them.
I was wondering the same thing but it looked like he didn't know how to bow. Why on earth would you participate?
He very clearly states that he is NOT Muslim so perhaps he was was just showing respect.
@@kimhill8475 Most likely because he was intimidated and afraid of possibly never coming back home to report on what he found. Islam has always been spread by the sword after all.
No. Infidels get beheaded.
@Miki Mouse or just being polite.
We all need something to believe in and if we don't find it. We create It! That is exactly what humanity did. Lots of them...
razony . Not out of thin air, though. There's a Roman and Jewish record of Jesus Christ. His contemporaries wrote of Him , too. That's what Islam is missing with Mohamed.
Chris Kelleher you have proof Jesus existed?
@@JochenArweiler take yourself back to those times; imagine you were TOLD or heard stories of a man existing, but might it not be simply hearsay, passed on like gossip? I'm atheist & live in the west. Educate yourself more.
See also these documentaries: "Mysteries Of Islam's Most Sacred Site" by Absolute History and "Islam False Religion Exposed" by meccagodzilah.
I have watched and thought about the contents of this interesting questioning of traditional narratives. The absolute reliance on written evidence is used in the claims. This is legitimate in academic research. However, one may ask how many people were literate in ancient times and of them what fraction had enough free time to engage in academic research? The answer is a minuscule fraction of the population and these were quite likely courtiers dependent on rulers for their living, while the vast majority of inhabitants were laborers or shepherds or traders . Their accounts were oral - a medium that is discarded in favor of written records. Is there then a compelling reason to accept only written records written by sources who were beholden to tribal leaders or kings? If so, as is the claim by Tom Holland, then one must fold into his conclusion the economic and material incentives of the authors who have left behind written records. It seems to be their records are equally if not more suspect than oral records.
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Munawar Karim it’s like all histories, the winners write and all of a sudden,” there it is in writing “ the sheep Lowe
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