@Outsideguy intermittent fasting works for me (when not exercising) 1h in the morning and 3 in the night. Zero calories in that time, but I'm allowed tea, coffee, herbal infusions etc. I eat pretty much whatever I want, but i make sure to eat a nice bowl of soup at least every other day, to add veggies and and needed nutrients
I sleep so much better in a hammock that it’s worth almost any weight penalty. Thanks for all you do Shug. You make the hammock learning curve so much easier.
Yeah, one guy I went backpacking with, a ground dweller, said to me "Isn't this whole hammock thing about being lighter and easier to set up?" N I'm thinking, I honestly never even thought of that. Just don't want to wake up and not be able to hike outta here in the morning with my back twisted up. I sleep well in a hammock.
Easy to forget about the other factors. Being in Florida, camping from a hammock is SIGNIFICANTLY cooler than a tent and that makes any additional weight worth it. Thanks Shug. Hope all is well. Missing your content lately.
Shug you look a little like Red Buttons whom I remember fondly from my childhood and various variety shows. I am 54 yeas old now. He, too was a very animated and physically talented man. Thanks brother, as always.
My ground systems tend to be lighter and take up less room in my pack but the quality of sleep swinging in the piney trees is unmatched with a hammock once you get your system dialed in. Shug videos helped me so much over the years..
You make me so happy shug when I'm having a bad day, I put your videos on and you always cheer me up! It's a plus your videos are always filled with good backpacking info. Love ya man!!
When you hammock camp you have already included a camp chair into your baseweight, as well as a clothesline for drying items at camp. You also have an easy to deploy tarp to eat lunch and take a break out of the elements without setting up your whole camp. Of course I'm a hammock fanatic, so I'm biased. But facts are facts.
Love that Shug! When it comes to weights I always give the standard corporate answer ... it depends. My lightest tent is 29 oz. I'm in TX, so I don't need an UQ at all in the summer, and my hammock setups are lighter, because you can't get comfortable in a tent without a pad. In the spring and fall, the weights are within 6 oz of each other (either could be the lighter option) depending on how I plan my setup. In the winter, my hammock is the heavier setup by about 10 oz or so. However, the quality of rest is worth it to me. If I can use my hammock I will, even if it's a little heavier. I just sleep better.
Great question! We just know SHUG has all of the answers! I hate making decisions like this and have been carrying both...you can't always find a tree 🌳 so it helps to have backup. Thanks for sharing!
This is always an interesting discussion and often, incorrectly, the conclusions is the hammock set up will always be heavier... Because you are right. There are so many variables. The fundamental way I look at it is this: as a hypothetical situation and using the lightest weight tent and hammock shelter system: in an 80 degree or higher overnight temp with a 100% chance of a very strong rain, would you rather be sleeping on a 5 ounce ground pad under an 8 ounce tarp or would you rather be sleeping on a 5 ounce hammock under an 8 ounce tarp? Point being, with the right investment you can match any tent weight set up (Dyneema material included) with any hammock weight set up - for any climate. What it comes down to: are you more comfortable on the ground or off the ground? And do you have trees?... Personally, I’d take the tarp and hammock in the 80 degree monsoon situation to be off he ground, exceptionally comfortable and clean.
Thanks Shug for sharing your love of Hammocks with us. Love your whole show. I'm definitely interested in Hammock camping for 2 day hikes. And you've done a great job of trying to explain everything with so much attention to detail. I'm really learning allot. It's amazing to me how much knowledge you can pass on to others just on hammock camping
Obviously when I hammock camp I'm way lighter. I mean I'm so light I literally float in the air during the night. Every time I tent camp I can't get off the ground.
I've never thought I was saving any weight by hammock camping, but it's just more comfortable. I can sleep over rocky or uneven ground and as long as I have 2 anchor points I'm cozy. I guess if I were a weight weenie I'd leave the camp chair and table out of my pack.
My camping is me hunting back country for a week or two. I started on tents, went ultra light tents, then bivys, then tarp only, now hammocks, i find i sleep better and there more versatile, i can hang , i can go to ground in a sort of bivy style. I feel safer. Not so trapped and closed in. Like i have a better chance if mr bear comes in the night. Weight vrs comfort. I like comfort the okder i get. And im all ready packing 20 to 30 lbs a extra lb isnt that bad. Throw in a rifle or bow, ammo, knifes etc im pushing 45 lbs or so. I need that nice sleep at night. Love your videos. Have been very helpful. The ridgeline stuff was a game changer, loved those 3 videos. Thank you.
Man, this is how I find out about Marty.. I love his stuff. I use his gear organizer on all of my trips, love the tarps too. Thanks Shug, I love you too. :)
Right on Shug! Good topic. I find my tent to weigh more as well as bulkier than my hammock sleep system. Then again the tent is a two sleeper from years back by Northface. I still prefer a hammock because I'm getting old and the ground is not getting any softer. lol...Ten years behind you man. Thanks for mentioning your patch brah, just ordered one. Whoooo Buddy!!
Well done Shug! Such a loaded question deserves a loaded answer. Many other outdoor "guru" channels try to provide a definitive answer, but there are too many variables to properly answer this question. Woo buddy!
Thank you! All that talk about few ounces and people completely forget how different hammock experience is from the tent and that few ounces equal one snack they pack without even thinking about it or few sips of water. I use both tent and the hammock depending on the terrain, time of the year or how lazy I am. My tent is slightly lighter and uses less space in the backpack, but I love my hammock and never really have been bothered by half a pound difference in weight in my case.
I just decided to comment before I start watching. I've been watching this channel somewhat and as they say on Netflix, it's binge worthy. As for hammocking, it's in the post and I'll be camping out with my animals on the farm for now and maybe a bit of stealth as well. Tx Shug, great talk, talk, talk.
Great information! I use a Warbonnet XLC double bottom hammock and have modified it for ground use as well... I sewed 550-cord loops at each corner and at center for staking. And on the upper bug net to tie off. Of course I use a ground cloth and tarp, great system and gives me more OPTIONS, which I like!!
We just got back today from the bwca after making the switch from a Sierra design's three season convertible to dutchware chameleons. The beauty is that now either one of us can go alone or with others and not have to commit to that 8 lbs tent. Btw Shug, we hit Gordy's on the way out of town too. Excellent recommendation. That was worth the drive from Michigan alone!!
Just got back from SHT Cross River Campsite with my DutchWare Chameleon and HG Tarp with EE top quilt and HG underquilt. This was 3 oz heavier than my normal Big Agnes Copper Spur tent system but the sleep was cloud like with the sound of the river to boot. Thanks for all your advice, my grandson enjoyed his hammock too. Next up for me is to check out a Griz Bridge style hammock for my wife.
I did a quick add of my summer hammock set up. Already had an excel spreadsheet ; ) hammock gear 30 degree top quilt 20oz etowah 8x10 tarp with cordage 1lb 13oz eno double nest + suspension 1lb 9oz=======4lb 10oz no bug net or underquilt, been doing this rig for southern summers for years now. could get a lighter tarp, or add bug net etc, underquilt, etc...different strokes... sleep great and real easy to tidy up and pack away when I get home. wooo nerd buddy!
THANK YOU SHUG ! GLAD YOU & YOURS ARE DOING GOOD! THANK YOU FOR THE INFORMATION & YOUR TIME TO DO THE VIDEO ! HOW'S THE WEATHER THERE ? BE SAFE ! HAVE FUN ! GOD BLESS YOU ALWAYS ON YOUR JOURNEYS ! ENJOYED !
Bravo, very good (and fair) comparison. You can, at the very least match any ground system out there, including ultralight. The way to meet or beat the ultralights is to go by total weight. in my hammock system, I use a hammock/poncho weighing 19 ozs. (Dyneema version 9 ozs.), a 30 deg. quilt that surrounds the hammock (14 ozs.) referred to, by one manufacturer as a "pod system", and a tarp system similar to yours that weighs 18 ozs. Plus I use woopie slings and soft shackles for suspension. So no ground pad, no second quilt, and no extra rainwear. The only down side is this system doesn't work well with attached bug nets, or hammocks over about 10'.
So the correct answer is ultimately answering which way do you sleep better? I never understood the desire to be as light as possible. I want to be as comfortable as I can with a weight I can handle and justify.
>>>"I never understood the desire to be as light as possible." How many multi-thousand mile hikes have you done? That's the point. UL is not for weekend warriors its for those who are hiking day-in day-out for months on end.
@@darthkek1953 I have seen several long trip thru hikers who added a pillow to their gear despite the added weight in order to sleep better. Comfort does matter to many long distance hikers since sleeping better equates to better mileage.
Going to ground in my BA Fly Creek at not-very-hammock-friendly Isle Royale this week. My Darien shed a tear at being left behind. Thnx for the number crunching
Yup, yup totally agree with your assessment. Minimal difference between the two with my setups. I have found hammock set up takes up a little mor room in my pack but that’s about all. Did I say I like gear, lots of gear! Love trying different stuff!
My tent by it'self is 5 pounds. I don't mind carrying it and I've done so a few times. But I've also slept on the ground under a tarp as well. Just as long as my sleeping pad keeps is comfortable and I am warm enough. I am good to go. Thanks for the video..
OK here’s the scoop don’t Care how heavy my Hamic is I sleep better in it than I do in a tent. Thanks Shug for the recommendation and the constant reinforcement of Medaglia Doro instant espresso. I finally got some I took it hiking this weekend and couldn’t be happier woooooooo buddy
My summer set up is a Duplex 18 ounces , Zpack quilt 20 degrees 19 ounces and my Neo Air short pad it’s 8 ounces. It’s hard to beat that weight with any hammock setup. To honest i could drop my tent weight under 15 oz and go with a forty degree quilt and get down under 15 oz. Weight is not everything but I still like to do fairly big miles for a week at a time and I am in my 60s. I am still thinking of getting hammock for short weekend trips just to try them. They do look fun. I have purchased some gear from Dutchware and my experience has been awesome, so I will more than likely go that way. He seems like a very nice person and his gear has been very good.
@@shugemery I am envious. I can’t sleep ten hours in my own bed. I only sleep about 5 to 7 hours at best. I need my pack as light as possible because I like to hike big miles. Still may try the hammock for short trips. Take care
When it comes to tenting, I use only a Kifaru Tut. It's a 4 person floorless tipi with a stovejack. Only weighs about 4.5 pounds and uses only a single pole
@James clark This morning I found a company that does custom sewing jobs so I am going to buy the Mountain Laurel tent and have a stovejack sewn into it
Always love the videos. I don’t recall if you mentioned the weight of the Haven hammock you were testing out. I only ask because I’m a tent person myself and I thought the Haven system was more of my style if I wanted to start out with hammocks. Thanks again Shug
Weight specs on their site....haventents.com/collections/frontpage/products/october-pre-order-with-insulated-pad-forest-green Length: 78 inches / 2 meters Width: 23 inches / 59 cm Total Weight: 5 lbs 13 oz / 2.6 kg Max Capacity: 285 lbs / 129 kg Material: Both the fly and hammock are made with 70 Ripstop Polyurethane with a waterproof rating of 3000 hh.
Great information, I have done these comparisons myself, it’s a good exercise, just so you know. It’s all about the comfort for me though, so any added weight on the hammock side is worth it.
I'm 71 and a hammock is so much more comfortable. I really don't pay much attention to weight anymore because I've devised a system whereby I hike in with as much as I can comfortably carry, then return to get more gear and hike in with another load, and so forth if need be. True, I don't cover as much distance as you young fellows, because I have to make several trips back and forth, but what the heck ... the car's only 100 feet away!
I was really looking forward to hammock camping for the first time last week on my first backpacking trip. Day before the trip I learned there was a "4 foot rule", which meant that my hammock was likely going to be too short and uncomfortable. That said, my budget hammock system was definitely heavier than my budget, complete fail of a tent system. All in all, maybe next time will be better haha
good stuff shug, my biggest weight penalty is my cpap and battery 5 pounds but i have to carry that either way. for a tent i would need to include something to help me out of it in the morning because of my back. i spent sunday night out at the national monument listening to what they call grand pitch and slept like a baby well except for waking to do the old man tinckle every few hours lol. even with that i wake well rested and little pain.
My REI Quarter Dome tent is 2lb 2 oz. My Trailheadz Wraith weighs in at 11 oz. With all my hammock system, it weighs about the same as my tent. BUT it packs down more than my tent, thus, allowing me to carry a lighter backpack.
I have done that calculation a few times. On my sheet the tent wins the race to UL - but loses when it comes to comfort. You need to compare UL with UL. Typically a netted ZPacks will weigh in around 300g (add 100g for an additional ground sheet). A 1.2oz material, netted 10ft hammock + fiber hex tarp will be closer to 600g (11ft = +80g).
Thanks Shug! I am the odd one, I hate hammocks but almost tried for the weight... I'm getting older, and a bushcraft backpacker not a thru hiker. Means I being more toys to play with 😉. I'll just take an extra vacation day to bounce back, lol.
I built my hammock setup myself from completely modern fabrics, and that includes the quilts and every other component. Same exact weight for me as a ultralight tent. You need a underquilt if it's colder, but you always need a pad in a tent, and the weights for both are the same. Hammocks need trees or other objects to tie up properly, and tents need flat and clear ground, that's the main difference. The people that really complain about weight didn't really spend much time looking into things.
@@shugemery absolutely, but it took a couple tries, the first one had some flaws. I only considered the first one a prototype anyway, and the second one I went all-out. I think the quilt was actually more difficult, sewing baffle material on taffeta is a bit difficult. I thought the down filling went smooth though, not as messy as I thought it'd be.
@@shugemery My mistake on the first prototype was calculating the wrong dimensions for the hex shape to cut the integrated bug net/top layer, it popped the seams at the ends from too much tension. Second one came out flawless though, it looks professionally made. I used 2 full length strips of mil-spec grosgrain to join the top and bottom halves (zipper on one side only), that way it looks far nicer than it would sewing them directly to one another. Small amount of extra weight from that, but I think it's far more robust and looks far better. I used #5 heavier zippers and replaced the four metal pulls with zing-it to save every gram I could lol. All black, and the pulls/details are red to stand out. Edit: Here's the results, largely in-part thanks to your videos. Thanks man! i.imgur.com/oNO2RBa.jpg
Thank you for a good video. Comparing hammock system with ground sleeping system is hard, if we boil it down to the absolute bare minimum with comparable material, hammocks will be slightly heavier, simply because more material is used. But comparing an existing tent set up with a hammock system can end up anywhere, depending on what set up one have and the goal with the new set up. For example, having a 4-season tent setup and buying a hammock for light and fast summer hikes will make the hammock setup far lighter than the tent setup, since the goal is wastly different.
I thought I'd been through all this before (tent v hammock), but I always learn something new from you- thank you for continuing to make videos for us! Shug- have you seen that monster-sized "Flying Squirrel Basecamp Outfitter" hammock? I don't know how usable it would be in reality but it looks like more fun to jump in than a tub full of turkey gizzards!
All I will say is ...I have made and have used for over a 100 miles and many night on the AT a system that weighs in with everything at 20.5oz (tree straps, suspension, hammock, tarp and all ridge lines).
I think the biggest weight penalty comes from the sleeping bag and underquilt depending on the warmth factor you go for. As a cold sleeper I always opt for 4 season and that adds so much weight but I'm trying to experiment with snugpack and urpro blanket combos. On their own they are not very warm. Ideal if in a hot country but not so much in colder ones however when the snugpack is placed over the urpro it gets really hot and I have to kick the top layer off. How it will fair in the open (hammock or tent) needs to be explored. Would be good to see a wee video with these blankets and the hammock for comparison.
I use a hammock and tarp practically all the time except for when I was much younger I did use a small tent for my bike packing Now I use a hammock and tarp setup with my bikepacking
I went camping last week with a friend who uses a Big Agnes tent which I call (in a french accent while rolling the RRRR) le grrraand augnyay much to his chagrin. I heard a commotion in the middle of the night and saw him crawling out of his tent on all fours to go relieve himself. For me in my hammock I just unzip,swing my legs down to my shoes and off to business.....easy peezy. ;^)
Hey Shugs, how come you dont use a Beckett hitch and do away with the slings and carbineers? I got some multape from Dutch and stitched it to the huggers, then I pass the mule tape through the amsteel loop at the hammock ends and use the becket, it's so quick and easy, it also makes an amazing drip off point.
While I like my hammock setup and use it for short outings when I can, I prefer the tent for long distance endeavors. Gives me a "house" to escape to and clean up in private.
I've been using my Tarptent Notch for about 4 years now, its what I used on my thru-hike of the pct and it's lighter than my hammock set-up. I've been flirting with the idea of getting a new hammock and tarp though.
Doesn't matter, I always knew that hammocking was heavier than my tent setups, and it doesn't matter because of the preference of hammock over tent in most situations. But, there are definitely advantages of tents over hammocks as we all know also. Its a matter of situation and circumstances by which I choose.
All too true. You know you're talking to somebody who doesn't roam too far when they say a hammock is always superior. It is.... right up until you go somewhere without anchors, and you don't have to go too far for that. But when the anchors are there, a hammock wins hands down. The extra pound or so is totally worth it for a great night's sleep and comfy swinging chair.
So true it all depends. My hammock system is just under 2 pounds with the Dutch Halfwit and DCF tarp with doors. That's all I count because I'd use the sleeping bag in a tent also. Actually my 20⁰ underquilt is less than most pads. So yeah I weigh less than a tent. Well most tents, and I can't sleep in a tent so there is that. Hehe fun.
I just spent days weighing and modifying gear to save weight. I designed a tarp that works as both tent and hammock tarp, its huge and weighs 600g, including guy lines. Did GR5 through Alps with it last year. My insulated groundsheet also becomes a hammock underblanket..275g... Im still working on the system at 10kg baseweight...darned if it ain't possible
You said it best in your opening statement.... It is mostly of interest to the (hardcore) ultra-lighters. These are the same people who go without a toothbrush or cutting the handle of it in half to save the weight... For the rest of us, the difference comes down to personal preference... and "systems" have got so far out of hand that it is funny! I had seen extremists using air-supported tents (which are just coming high-end mainstream now in 2020) in the mid-80s... everything is relative.
Good info! Unfortunately, for me, my biggest weight penalty isn’t caused by gear. But from a 40 year love affair with ham sandwiches.
Worth the weight and wait~~~~
Drop weight by going keto... keep your ham filling but instead of bread you put the ham between slices of fried bacon.
Mmmm ham sammies.
@Outsideguy intermittent fasting works for me (when not exercising) 1h in the morning and 3 in the night. Zero calories in that time, but I'm allowed tea, coffee, herbal infusions etc. I eat pretty much whatever I want, but i make sure to eat a nice bowl of soup at least every other day, to add veggies and and needed nutrients
I sleep so much better in a hammock that it’s worth almost any weight penalty. Thanks for all you do Shug. You make the hammock learning curve so much easier.
Comfort trumps all.
Yeah, one guy I went backpacking with, a ground dweller, said to me "Isn't this whole hammock thing about being lighter and easier to set up?" N I'm thinking, I honestly never even thought of that. Just don't want to wake up and not be able to hike outta here in the morning with my back twisted up. I sleep well in a hammock.
Easy to forget about the other factors. Being in Florida, camping from a hammock is SIGNIFICANTLY cooler than a tent and that makes any additional weight worth it.
Thanks Shug. Hope all is well. Missing your content lately.
Righto. Off for a trip this weekend. Post Winter projects have consumed me.
Shug you look a little like Red Buttons whom I remember fondly from my childhood and various variety shows. I am 54 yeas old now. He, too was a very animated and physically talented man. Thanks brother, as always.
I humbly bow here.
My ground systems tend to be lighter and take up less room in my pack but the quality of sleep swinging in the piney trees is unmatched with a hammock once you get your system dialed in. Shug videos helped me so much over the years..
Comfort rules.
You make me so happy shug when I'm having a bad day, I put your videos on and you always cheer me up! It's a plus your videos are always filled with good backpacking info. Love ya man!!
Thanks for the right good words. Whoooooo Buddy))))))
When you hammock camp you have already included a camp chair into your baseweight, as well as a clothesline for drying items at camp. You also have an easy to deploy tarp to eat lunch and take a break out of the elements without setting up your whole camp.
Of course I'm a hammock fanatic, so I'm biased. But facts are facts.
I too am.
Thanks for the detailed comparisons! Happy to see you again, Monsieur Shug!
Whoooooo Buddy)))))
You said Wilderness Logics. You made me cry. (RIP Marty. Miss you brother.)
Good gear great guy.
Thanks for the information. Always happy to get notification that you released a new video.
Whooooooo Buddy))))
Love that Shug!
When it comes to weights I always give the standard corporate answer ... it depends. My lightest tent is 29 oz. I'm in TX, so I don't need an UQ at all in the summer, and my hammock setups are lighter, because you can't get comfortable in a tent without a pad. In the spring and fall, the weights are within 6 oz of each other (either could be the lighter option) depending on how I plan my setup. In the winter, my hammock is the heavier setup by about 10 oz or so. However, the quality of rest is worth it to me. If I can use my hammock I will, even if it's a little heavier. I just sleep better.
Lotta range in these equations for sure. Keeps it all interesting.
We love ya Shug! God bless you and yours...keep the videos coming!
Thankee. thankee.
Great question! We just know SHUG has all of the answers! I hate making decisions like this and have been carrying both...you can't always find a tree 🌳 so it helps to have backup. Thanks for sharing!
Whoooooo Buddy)))))
This is always an interesting discussion and often, incorrectly, the conclusions is the hammock set up will always be heavier... Because you are right. There are so many variables. The fundamental way I look at it is this: as a hypothetical situation and using the lightest weight tent and hammock shelter system: in an 80 degree or higher overnight temp with a 100% chance of a very strong rain, would you rather be sleeping on a 5 ounce ground pad under an 8 ounce tarp or would you rather be sleeping on a 5 ounce hammock under an 8 ounce tarp? Point being, with the right investment you can match any tent weight set up (Dyneema material included) with any hammock weight set up - for any climate. What it comes down to: are you more comfortable on the ground or off the ground? And do you have trees?... Personally, I’d take the tarp and hammock in the 80 degree monsoon situation to be off he ground, exceptionally comfortable and clean.
Spot on👍
Good thoughts there.
I take a homemade turtledog stand if there aren't trees. Cut pipe in half and use a coupler when setup. Easy to fit in vehicle and take off. :)
Thanks Shug for sharing your love of Hammocks with us. Love your whole show. I'm definitely interested in Hammock camping for 2 day hikes. And you've done a great job of trying to explain everything with so much attention to detail. I'm really learning allot. It's amazing to me how much knowledge you can pass on to others just on hammock camping
Whoooooo Buddy))))
Obviously when I hammock camp I'm way lighter. I mean I'm so light I literally float in the air during the night. Every time I tent camp I can't get off the ground.
Doug Henning Approved~~~~
Great breakdown of the two systems. People forget it really comes down to what you are using and all the other variables that can come into play.
Truth. Thankee.
I've never thought I was saving any weight by hammock camping, but it's just more comfortable. I can sleep over rocky or uneven ground and as long as I have 2 anchor points I'm cozy. I guess if I were a weight weenie I'd leave the camp chair and table out of my pack.
Yep, and you don't have to worry about a wet tent floor.
what kind of table you you use ? do you have a link ?
@@fredwells7403 I got it at a yard sale. I think it's called a hiatorhike, or something like that. The label is rubbed off a long time ago.
Comfort trumps weight...at a certain age.
The ground is hard and full of rocks. Life’s better in a hammock. 🤙
The Ground is Hard and Full of Rocks. T-shirt!
And roots and slope. And mud. I just get more sleep in a hammock and wake up revived physically.
My camping is me hunting back country for a week or two. I started on tents, went ultra light tents, then bivys, then tarp only, now hammocks, i find i sleep better and there more versatile, i can hang , i can go to ground in a sort of bivy style. I feel safer. Not so trapped and closed in. Like i have a better chance if mr bear comes in the night. Weight vrs comfort. I like comfort the okder i get. And im all ready packing 20 to 30 lbs a extra lb isnt that bad. Throw in a rifle or bow, ammo, knifes etc im pushing 45 lbs or so. I need that nice sleep at night. Love your videos. Have been very helpful. The ridgeline stuff was a game changer, loved those 3 videos. Thank you.
I hear ya'. At my age I really want that good restorative sleep. Comfort for the win!!! Whooooo Buddy)))))
Man, this is how I find out about Marty.. I love his stuff. I use his gear organizer on all of my trips, love the tarps too. Thanks Shug, I love you too. :)
He did great kit.
Right on Shug! Good topic. I find my tent to weigh more as well as bulkier than my hammock sleep system. Then again the tent is a two sleeper from years back by Northface. I still prefer a hammock because I'm getting old and the ground is not getting any softer. lol...Ten years behind you man. Thanks for mentioning your patch brah, just ordered one. Whoooo Buddy!!
Thankee for the support. Whoooooo Buddy))))
Well done Shug! Such a loaded question deserves a loaded answer. Many other outdoor "guru" channels try to provide a definitive answer, but there are too many variables to properly answer this question. Woo buddy!
Yessir....if differs widely depending on ones style. Whooooo Buddy)))))
Thank you! All that talk about few ounces and people completely forget how different hammock experience is from the tent and that few ounces equal one snack they pack without even thinking about it or few sips of water.
I use both tent and the hammock depending on the terrain, time of the year or how lazy I am. My tent is slightly lighter and uses less space in the backpack, but I love my hammock and never really have been bothered by half a pound difference in weight in my case.
Thanks for the good thoughts.
You're right about the patch, they do look great! Love the colors. Thanks for the entertainment too.
Thankee.
Very informative video Shug. Have a great weekend.
Thankee and you too.
Awesome Shug, love your knowledge and info, you are the master! Great channel!
Just doing my part!
Thanks Shug. As always great info. Hammocks rule!
Whoooooo Buddy)))))
I just decided to comment before I start watching. I've been watching this channel somewhat and as they say on Netflix, it's binge worthy. As for hammocking, it's in the post and I'll be camping out with my animals on the farm for now and maybe a bit of stealth as well. Tx Shug, great talk, talk, talk.
Righto and Whoooo Buddy)))
Great information!
I use a Warbonnet XLC double bottom hammock and have modified it for ground use as well...
I sewed 550-cord loops at each corner and at center for staking. And on the upper bug net to tie off.
Of course I use a ground cloth and tarp, great system and gives me more OPTIONS, which I like!!
Best of both worlds.
We just got back today from the bwca after making the switch from a Sierra design's three season convertible to dutchware chameleons. The beauty is that now either one of us can go alone or with others and not have to commit to that 8 lbs tent.
Btw Shug, we hit Gordy's on the way out of town too. Excellent recommendation. That was worth the drive from Michigan alone!!
Where did you go in bwca?
@@jkd5656 #37 Kawishiwi to Alice and back. Had a blast.
Glad you hit Gordy's!!! Classic
Wow! I loooooove the new Loligag Life t-shirt and art! Good job!
Merci!
Thanks Shug! Been going over this with my son. He is about ready to come over to the hammock life. I feel a family bonding moment coming up.
Whoooooo Buddy))))))
What caught my eye....was the CL Stunters......smile..!!
I was teasing ya'!...haaaa
Good stuff Kemosabe! And... with the hammock, you're not sleeping on the ground, and have a place to sit (under cover) that is comfy.
Love sitting and sipping.
Looking good, Shug. Thanks for the update.
Righto!
Just got back from SHT Cross River Campsite with my DutchWare Chameleon and HG Tarp with EE top quilt and HG underquilt. This was 3 oz heavier than my normal Big Agnes Copper Spur tent system but the sleep was cloud like with the sound of the river to boot. Thanks for all your advice, my grandson enjoyed his hammock too. Next up for me is to check out a Griz Bridge style hammock for my wife.
Whoooooo Buddy)))) Love that river drowning out all sounds.
Merci Shug ! Je t’adore toi !
Moi aussi je m'adore! Haaaaa
shugemery 😂😂😂
I did a quick add of my summer hammock set up. Already had an excel spreadsheet ; )
hammock gear 30 degree top quilt 20oz
etowah 8x10 tarp with cordage 1lb 13oz
eno double nest + suspension 1lb 9oz=======4lb 10oz
no bug net or underquilt, been doing this rig for southern summers for years now.
could get a lighter tarp, or add bug net etc, underquilt, etc...different strokes...
sleep great and real easy to tidy up and pack away when I get home.
wooo nerd buddy!
eno double nest suspension is not stock. 1" tree strap webbing and amsteel whoopie slings
I'm sure you did have a spreadsheet! Older you get the more comfort comes in. Sorta mainly.
Love your content SHUG!
Thanks and thankee.
THANK YOU SHUG ! GLAD YOU & YOURS ARE DOING GOOD! THANK YOU FOR THE INFORMATION & YOUR TIME TO DO THE VIDEO ! HOW'S THE WEATHER THERE ? BE SAFE ! HAVE FUN ! GOD BLESS YOU ALWAYS ON YOUR JOURNEYS ! ENJOYED !
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Good to see you Shug! Missed your content.
I have been putting videos out. Maybe you missed them. Whooooooo Buddy))))
I will order patches right now! Whoooooooo buddy!
Merci for the patch support~~~~
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@@shugemery Yeah I received my batch yesterday! Thankee
Bravo, very good (and fair) comparison. You can, at the very least match any ground system out there, including ultralight. The way to meet or beat the ultralights is to go by total weight. in my hammock system, I use a hammock/poncho weighing 19 ozs. (Dyneema version 9 ozs.), a 30 deg. quilt that surrounds the hammock (14 ozs.) referred to, by one manufacturer as a "pod system", and a tarp system similar to yours that weighs 18 ozs. Plus I use woopie slings and soft shackles for suspension. So no ground pad, no second quilt, and no extra rainwear. The only down side is this system doesn't work well with attached bug nets, or hammocks over about 10'.
Yessir....if differs widely depending on ones style. Whoooooo Buddy))))
So the correct answer is ultimately answering which way do you sleep better? I never understood the desire to be as light as possible. I want to be as comfortable as I can with a weight I can handle and justify.
>>>"I never understood the desire to be as light as possible."
How many multi-thousand mile hikes have you done? That's the point. UL is not for weekend warriors its for those who are hiking day-in day-out for months on end.
Ay my age I go for best sleep, rejuvination and comfort.
I know many ul'ers who just casual camp. But the obsess with weights.
@@darthkek1953 I have seen several long trip thru hikers who added a pillow to their gear despite the added weight in order to sleep better. Comfort does matter to many long distance hikers since sleeping better equates to better mileage.
@@yaemz123 A pillow and a sleep mat are two very common items for ultra-light hikers.
Going to ground in my BA Fly Creek at not-very-hammock-friendly Isle Royale this week. My Darien shed a tear at being left behind. Thnx for the number crunching
Have a right goodie of a trip.
Yessir ! Can't wait fer my patch get delivert. Linville Gorge calling you and Maple King.
Thankee for the support. Whoooooo Buddy))))
All secure on sector 7. 👍 fab show
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Yup, yup totally agree with your assessment. Minimal difference between the two with my setups. I have found hammock set up takes up a little mor room in my pack but that’s about all. Did I say I like gear, lots of gear! Love trying different stuff!
Comfort trumps space for me.
thankee man. your vids always make me smile... always!
Righto feller.
My tent by it'self is 5 pounds. I don't mind carrying it and I've done so a few times.
But I've also slept on the ground under a tarp as well.
Just as long as my sleeping pad keeps is comfortable and I am warm enough. I am good to go.
Thanks for the video..
I hear ya'. Always was a tarper too.
Great video bud! Thanks for sharing
Thanks for watching!
The army taught me to sleep anywhere lol. But hammocks are great, ordered my first swag, sticker for my hardhat, patch and a t lol. Take care man.
Thankee for the support. Whoooooo Buddy))))
OK here’s the scoop don’t Care how heavy my Hamic is I sleep better in it than I do in a tent. Thanks Shug for the recommendation and the constant reinforcement of Medaglia Doro instant espresso. I finally got some I took it hiking this weekend and couldn’t be happier woooooooo buddy
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Good to see you again. Got my patch and picked up a T-shirt while at it. Woo Buddy! Good day! Just need to know where I can get a Shug art print!
Thanks and Thankee for the support. Whoooooo Buddy))))
My summer set up is a Duplex 18 ounces , Zpack quilt 20 degrees 19 ounces and my Neo Air short pad it’s 8 ounces. It’s hard to beat that weight with any hammock setup. To honest i could drop my tent weight under 15 oz and go with a forty degree quilt and get down under 15 oz. Weight is not everything but I still like to do fairly big miles for a week at a time and I am in my 60s. I am still thinking of getting hammock for short weekend trips just to try them. They do look fun. I have purchased some gear from Dutchware and my experience has been awesome, so I will more than likely go that way. He seems like a very nice person and his gear has been very good.
All I can say is my hammock provides consistent sleep of 10 hours and restores my body overnight. A win for me.
@@shugemery I am envious. I can’t sleep ten hours in my own bed. I only sleep about 5 to 7 hours at best. I need my pack as light as possible because I like to hike big miles. Still may try the hammock for short trips. Take care
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EARLY~~~~
Thanks for another great video, just ordered some Shug gear to support your channel so you can keep the awesome videos coming
Thankee thankee for the support! Whooooo Buddy))))
I just want of thank you for making it clear for all of us gram weenies.
I used to be a milligram weenie in the old days. Now I want a 10 hour comfortable snooze.
@@shugemery In the old days I never cared, now I'm old and lazy. I still want to go backpacking, but I don't feel like carrying anything.
When it comes to tenting, I use only a Kifaru Tut. It's a 4 person floorless tipi with a stovejack. Only weighs about 4.5 pounds and uses only a single pole
@James clark Maybe, but my Tut is years old and I have no money for a new one.
@James clark Needs a stovejack
I have an old Golite Shangrila. Teepee style too.
@James clark This morning I found a company that does custom sewing jobs so I am going to buy the Mountain Laurel tent and have a stovejack sewn into it
WOOOOO BBBUUDDDYYY...gotta get me on-a-dem patches - good video as always...hope you and all yours are doing well!!
Thanks...they will be in the store real soon. Sold out last run.
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Always love the videos. I don’t recall if you mentioned the weight of the Haven hammock you were testing out. I only ask because I’m a tent person myself and I thought the Haven system was more of my style if I wanted to start out with hammocks. Thanks again Shug
Weight specs on their site....haventents.com/collections/frontpage/products/october-pre-order-with-insulated-pad-forest-green
Length: 78 inches / 2 meters
Width: 23 inches / 59 cm
Total Weight: 5 lbs 13 oz / 2.6 kg
Max Capacity: 285 lbs / 129 kg
Material: Both the fly and hammock are made with 70 Ripstop Polyurethane with a waterproof rating of 3000 hh.
Great information, I have done these comparisons myself, it’s a good exercise, just so you know. It’s all about the comfort for me though, so any added weight on the hammock side is worth it.
Me too!!!
another fun one Shug... yup, all depends on each persons system... hope all is we my friend... Dennis
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Sweet patch dude!
Thanks. I'm happy with it.
I'm 71 and a hammock is so much more comfortable. I really don't pay much attention to weight anymore because I've devised a system whereby I hike in with as much as I can comfortably carry, then return to get more gear and hike in with another load, and so forth if need be. True, I don't cover as much distance as you young fellows, because I have to make several trips back and forth, but what the heck ... the car's only 100 feet away!
All about comfort.
I was really looking forward to hammock camping for the first time last week on my first backpacking trip. Day before the trip I learned there was a "4 foot rule", which meant that my hammock was likely going to be too short and uncomfortable. That said, my budget hammock system was definitely heavier than my budget, complete fail of a tent system. All in all, maybe next time will be better haha
Righto....can only get better.
good stuff shug, my biggest weight penalty is my cpap and battery 5 pounds but i have to carry that either way. for a tent i would need to include something to help me out of it in the morning because of my back. i spent sunday night out at the national monument listening to what they call grand pitch and slept like a baby well except for waking to do the old man tinckle every few hours lol. even with that i wake well rested and little pain.
That is heavy but if you need it then you need it. Glad you got out there,
Hey buddy! Just ordered the new patch! Keep up these awesome videos.
Thankee for the support. Whoooooo Buddy))))
My REI Quarter Dome tent is 2lb 2 oz. My Trailheadz Wraith weighs in at 11 oz. With all my hammock system, it weighs about the same as my tent. BUT it packs down more than my tent, thus, allowing me to carry a lighter backpack.
If your like me then more comfortable as well.
I have done that calculation a few times. On my sheet the tent wins the race to UL - but loses when it comes to comfort.
You need to compare UL with UL. Typically a netted ZPacks will weigh in around 300g (add 100g for an additional ground sheet). A 1.2oz material, netted 10ft hammock + fiber hex tarp will be closer to 600g (11ft = +80g).
Comfort trumps all~~!!!
Thanks Shug! I am the odd one, I hate hammocks but almost tried for the weight... I'm getting older, and a bushcraft backpacker not a thru hiker. Means I being more toys to play with 😉. I'll just take an extra vacation day to bounce back, lol.
I hear ya'...
I built my hammock setup myself from completely modern fabrics, and that includes the quilts and every other component. Same exact weight for me as a ultralight tent. You need a underquilt if it's colder, but you always need a pad in a tent, and the weights for both are the same. Hammocks need trees or other objects to tie up properly, and tents need flat and clear ground, that's the main difference. The people that really complain about weight didn't really spend much time looking into things.
That is a right goodie you crafted your own. Best way to learn and do and understand.
@@shugemery absolutely, but it took a couple tries, the first one had some flaws. I only considered the first one a prototype anyway, and the second one I went all-out. I think the quilt was actually more difficult, sewing baffle material on taffeta is a bit difficult. I thought the down filling went smooth though, not as messy as I thought it'd be.
First tarp I made was ripstop. Leaked like a sieve. But it was good practice.
@@shugemery My mistake on the first prototype was calculating the wrong dimensions for the hex shape to cut the integrated bug net/top layer, it popped the seams at the ends from too much tension. Second one came out flawless though, it looks professionally made. I used 2 full length strips of mil-spec grosgrain to join the top and bottom halves (zipper on one side only), that way it looks far nicer than it would sewing them directly to one another. Small amount of extra weight from that, but I think it's far more robust and looks far better. I used #5 heavier zippers and replaced the four metal pulls with zing-it to save every gram I could lol. All black, and the pulls/details are red to stand out.
Edit: Here's the results, largely in-part thanks to your videos. Thanks man!
i.imgur.com/oNO2RBa.jpg
Good to see you back in the saddle my dude, hope all is ok.
I ride bareback! Thankee.
Thank you for a good video.
Comparing hammock system with ground sleeping system is hard, if we boil it down to the absolute bare minimum with comparable material, hammocks will be slightly heavier, simply because more material is used.
But comparing an existing tent set up with a hammock system can end up anywhere, depending on what set up one have and the goal with the new set up.
For example, having a 4-season tent setup and buying a hammock for light and fast summer hikes will make the hammock setup far lighter than the tent setup, since the goal is wastly different.
Yessir....if differs widely depending on ones style.
I thought I'd been through all this before (tent v hammock), but I always learn something new from you- thank you for continuing to make videos for us!
Shug- have you seen that monster-sized "Flying Squirrel Basecamp Outfitter" hammock?
I don't know how usable it would be in reality but it looks like more fun to jump in than a tub full of turkey gizzards!
I prefer to be alone in my hammock! Whoooooo Buddy))))0
I appreciate you still using the toggles. Thanks for the great videos. Are planning a special trip for that tarp tent?
Hey Man. I treasure them. Still have the two back-ups two. One of the greatest things given to me.
All I will say is ...I have made and have used for over a 100 miles and many night on the AT a system that weighs in with everything at 20.5oz (tree straps, suspension, hammock, tarp and all ridge lines).
Righto!!!
just love your videos ahah
Merci and Whoooooo Buddy)))))
I think the biggest weight penalty comes from the sleeping bag and underquilt depending on the warmth factor you go for. As a cold sleeper I always opt for 4 season and that adds so much weight but I'm trying to experiment with snugpack and urpro blanket combos. On their own they are not very warm. Ideal if in a hot country but not so much in colder ones however when the snugpack is placed over the urpro it gets really hot and I have to kick the top layer off. How it will fair in the open (hammock or tent) needs to be explored. Would be good to see a wee video with these blankets and the hammock for comparison.
Lotta range in this whole equation. Whoooooo Buddy)))))
Whooooo buddy patches!!!!!
Yessir. Sold out already!!!!
I use a hammock and tarp practically all the time except for when I was much younger
I did use a small tent for my bike packing
Now I use a hammock and tarp setup with my bikepacking
Cool!
I went camping last week with a friend who uses a Big Agnes tent which I call (in a french accent while rolling the RRRR) le grrraand augnyay much to his chagrin. I heard a commotion in the middle of the night and saw him crawling out of his tent on all fours to go relieve himself. For me in my hammock I just unzip,swing my legs down to my shoes and off to business.....easy peezy. ;^)
I don't crawl like I used to either. Whoooooo Buddy)))))
Hey Shugs, how come you dont use a Beckett hitch and do away with the slings and carbineers? I got some multape from Dutch and stitched it to the huggers, then I pass the mule tape through the amsteel loop at the hammock ends and use the becket, it's so quick and easy, it also makes an amazing drip off point.
I have done it but find I like whoopies better for small adjustments.
@@shugemery inch perfect, understandable ;)
what about a mini fan for when it gets hot in the summer
That is what I do for sure.
Good info shug as always. Love the patches. Need to get me one
I thankee.
@@shugemery shipped today. Cant wait to put it on my backpack for this hunting season
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@@shugemery already got mine in the mail shug
While I like my hammock setup and use it for short outings when I can, I prefer the tent for long distance endeavors. Gives me a "house" to escape to and clean up in private.
I need to start cleaning myself when I backpack....haaa.
I've been using my Tarptent Notch for about 4 years now, its what I used on my thru-hike of the pct and it's lighter than my hammock set-up. I've been flirting with the idea of getting a new hammock and tarp though.
Way to go on PCT thru!
Doesn't matter, I always knew that hammocking was heavier than my tent setups, and it doesn't matter because of the preference of hammock over tent in most situations. But, there are definitely advantages of tents over hammocks as we all know also. Its a matter of situation and circumstances by which I choose.
All too true. You know you're talking to somebody who doesn't roam too far when they say a hammock is always superior. It is.... right up until you go somewhere without anchors, and you don't have to go too far for that. But when the anchors are there, a hammock wins hands down. The extra pound or so is totally worth it for a great night's sleep and comfy swinging chair.
I always opt for hammock. Lounging with morning coffee is the best.
Hammock all day long Shug! Just got out the Smokeys for the weekend, rain, wind, everything, would never catch me in a tent!
Sounds fun for sure.
So true it all depends. My hammock system is just under 2 pounds with the Dutch Halfwit and DCF tarp with doors. That's all I count because I'd use the sleeping bag in a tent also. Actually my 20⁰ underquilt is less than most pads. So yeah I weigh less than a tent. Well most tents, and I can't sleep in a tent so there is that. Hehe fun.
Yessir...lotta range in all this.
Oh Shug,You crack me up! But, you do give useful info.Thank you . Thats a purdy patc....,uuummmmm.
Thanks and thankee.
Great video shug! I think a huuuuge variable is how much money you’re willing to spend.
True. Reckon what the value of backpacking means to one.
I’ve been gearing more towards ultralight especially buying more ultralight gear in the past couple years
It is a good process.
getting a patch and shirt thanks buddy
Thankee for the support. Whoooooo Buddy))))
@@shugemery Whoooooo Buddy))))
What if I was to get rid of all the ounces and only carry grams would it be lighter? All the best Shug!
Lose the grams for milligrams!
I just spent days weighing and modifying gear to save weight.
I designed a tarp that works as both tent and hammock tarp, its huge and weighs 600g, including guy lines. Did GR5 through Alps with it last year.
My insulated groundsheet also becomes a hammock underblanket..275g...
Im still working on the system at 10kg baseweight...darned if it ain't possible
Mate 5k should be your target base-weight. Do you mean 10 pounds perhaps?
Good to go through that process.
You said it best in your opening statement.... It is mostly of interest to the (hardcore) ultra-lighters. These are the same people who go without a toothbrush or cutting the handle of it in half to save the weight... For the rest of us, the difference comes down to personal preference... and "systems" have got so far out of hand that it is funny! I had seen extremists using air-supported tents (which are just coming high-end mainstream now in 2020) in the mid-80s... everything is relative.
Backpacking has a lotta range for sure.
Good video. Be safe sir👍👌
Thanks, you too!
You shaved!! The beard was looking good.
I missed my chin skin.