I’m writing a novel right now. Will be out hopefully before summer. 1995, princes Diana meets with JFK Jr and falls in love with him. They break off their failing relationships, and marry in 1997 to start a family. After surviving a plane crash in 1999, both of them commit to serving their purposes in life, and so John runs for Senate in 2000. From there we see both of these people live throughout the decade influencing events, until he runs for president in 2008. Eventually, Diana makes it to the White House as the First Lady. And we see an alternate presidency of a Kennedy instead of Obama.
Lest Darkness Fall is one that's rarely talked about, but is very pivotal to the alternate history genre. It was one of the earliest modern examples of it (along with a Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court) and has been cited by Harry Turtledove himself as sparking his history in alternate history.
did you use the same iceberg as AlternateHistoryHub? also it would be really cool if you covered the Monument Mythos fully as it seems you have surface knowledge but you should cover it and learn more about it.
One of the most interesting things about 1984 and how it applies to today is that they removed the word “bad” from the lexicon so you couldn’t be negative, so if you want to say something is bad you say it’s “un-good” instead. Fast forward to today, you can’t say “suicide” on TikTok and now everyone says “un-alive” instead. It’s hardly as dystopian as Orwell envisioned but it’s sort of strange that nobody is really talking about it.
I absolutely *hate* companies that think they can just automatically censor "bad words" and not have to do any actual content moderation. It doesn't even solve the problem of people saying what you're trying to prevent them from saying. People will just change a character to a special character, spell it in leet, spell it backwards, use other words ("sewer slide"), or just come up with an entirely different word for the exact same thing. It solved nothing other than making communication inconvenient to everyone involved, including those trying to have a serious conversation. The solution to bad language on your platform is human moderators, not some fancy algorithm that even 12-year-old ROBLOX kids can bypass.
That is actually a good observation! Institutional subjugation is so impersonal nowadays “unalive” is a phrase that was invented by the TikTok *community* instead of a top-down ministry of truth sort of situation like 1984. I personally have disdain for 1984 as the book itself though bc it does precisely that, create a ridiculous top-down authoritarian regime that couldn’t exist irl without tackling the actual societal pressures that lead to/proliferate totalitarianism in the first place.
I see your point 100% although I'd argue that euphemisms have always been around. Also social media isn't really a representation of the real world. The way I look at it would be like being in a room full of children within earshot. The word suicide would probably have been changed for kids 20 or 40 years ago too
I have so much Fun with that Alternate History. Giant and Blatant Plug here but You should try the Community made Mod on HOI4 called The New Order which is basically a Visual Novel game of what if the Axis Wins WW2 and the Nee Cold War happening because of it. its being Realistic with the Germans and Japanese struggling to keep their Conquests under check with the Russians nearly destroying Germanys Moskowien Colony in the West Russian War and what ever you would think of a Realistic Axis Victory. Orderstaad Burgundy lmao 🤣🤣🤣🤣
One of my own scenarios I thought of was if Germany and Italy never declared war on USA, and USA only fought Japan, and Europe/Africa just becomes a massive stalemate, would this lead to a 3 sided Cold War ?
@@planesrkool2727the US were gonna declare war on Germany regardless if Germany was first to do so or not. So you’d have to give a good explanation as to why they would just abandon the British after being dragged into the war by Japan.
@@liamcluett6203 yeah you’re right but that’s such a small detail and he was saying that Japan wasn’t bombed even though they said in the intro of fo4 that they did
Sure there’s several other differences before the 60s, but would Sinclair being called Red Rocket, or McDonalds being called Slocums really effect the outcome of ww2?
I read “Back in the USSA” (difficult to get hold of). It’s a very interesting deep dive into an alternative World that touches on not just politics but also culture and even criminology. A fantastic piece of work!
Don’t want to be rude but you mentioned a lot of Hearts of Iron 4 mods that you should have named were from hoi4 as I know a lot pf people would want to play these senerios. Keep up the Amazing Icebergs!
My favorite alternate history is Finno-Korean Hyperwar that happened in 8000 BC - 6000 BC a war between Ancient Finland (Proto Finnish Holy Roman Khaganate) and Ancient Korea (Hwan Empire)
There’s a book called ‘Franz Ferdinand Lives’ about how history would be different had the Archduke not been shot… one example is, there wouldn’t have been the Hitler that started WW2 etc…very good book!
Little addendum to the 1920+ thing: The artist behind this is called Jakub Rozalski, and I can recommend looking up his art, it's amazing. Also, besides the Scythe tabletop board game, there's also the real-time strategy PC game Iron Harvest, which does a pretty good job of bringing the world to life, gameplay being similar to the Company of Heroes games
27:19 You simplified too much, frostpunk splits around 1822, when the differential machine became a kind of computer based on, for example, Automatons, which can be called robots. But you're right about the volcanoes, it was probably them
This will sound a bit odd, and really out of place, but chainsaw man also has some really interesting alternative history, like how the Soviet Union never fell, WW2 never happend, and bunch of other interesting stuff,
10:04 actually in the fallout universe bombs were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki just fyi as a fallout nerd. it more of becomes alternate history in other ways not because of different stuff happening in world war 2. I as a fallout fan and many others will say we arent sure why this alternate time line happened and diverged into this advancements and focus on nuclear energy but everything is relatively the same timeline wise until post world war 2.
While Axis of Time sounds interesting. I'd say i've seen something very similar before. "The newest, most advanced destroyer in the Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force, the JDS Mirai, sets sail from Japan on a training exercise with the United States Navy. En route, they encounter a strange meteorological anomaly, causing the Mirai to lose contact with her sister ships. After a short time, the crew detects a fleet approaching, but can barely believe their eyes as a massive battleship passes by them. The crew soon identify it as the Yamato" I haven't read the manga, but the anime was great. Too bad they never really adopted the entire manga.
31:56 i take that as a referance to the movie Doomsday where a virus called the reaper virus devastates Scotland and a lot of people flee south to England and abroad and a quote from the movie: "As Britain turned its back on Scotland, the world turned its back on Britain" and the people left in Scotland either die or become cannibalistic savages, atleast one of the groups who live in the ruins of Glasgow, the other group led by a famous scientist, who the main charachters are looking for to ask his help for curing the reaper virus that has re-emerged in London, they live a medieval life style in a medieval castle. That's honestly something that should've been included
New subscriber and I love alternative history shows, books, and movies, especially fallout keep them coming I’m thinking about making an alternative universe book of my own
The Monument Mythos is amazing and I can't wait for your take on it. Wendigoon hasn't done an update since season 3 I think. Alex is a wonderful creator and I can't wait to see what else they put out next. 😊
1:10:49 from someone who goes by both Harry and Harrison I very much appreciate the compliment. In kindergarten I went by Harry Harrison cuz I wanted an even longer name.
some cool alternative history that i like is Kaiserreich and Divergence of Darkness. they are both mods from paradox games which is why i know them but they are really cool
IF YOU WANT TO AVOID SPOLERS!!! then it's better to skip "the fatherland" part at all because the main concept of the book is said in the video and knowing just the concept makes half of the book more predictable
I will argue though, kaiserreich is not really a dystopia, its more of just different problems. The world it portrays may not be the most democratic, but it also avoids the rise of the fascist regimes that existed in our timeline. Its not BETTER, but it is a world that I wouldnt particularly mind living in. Its definitely better than most alternate worlds in this iceberg.
@@oldylad yeah and it isnt like INSANELY worse. On one hand, russia could be argued to be better off during the kaiserreich timeline as it has a chance to become something more than the stalinist dictatorship of our timeline. China is still fucked up but less so and Japan still has a chance to avoid the "Imperial Rule Assistance Association"'s rise. The bulgarian hegemony though fragile can result in peace in the balkans. The chaos of Modern Arabia is basically averted by the fact britain and france are not there to carve up arabia. And finally, no matter how horrid the second weltkrieg is, it never surpasses the real world war 2 in terms of casualties, which in our world reached 83 million.
I always have to wonder why there aren't more alternate histories with ww1 at the focus. I mean, ww2 is the more morally dramatic one but there's lots of interesting directions you can go with an alternate ww1. I mean, you could even make the argument that if the triple alliance won ww1 then hitler wouldn't come to power and our ww2 wouldn't happen
My biggest pet peive for MITHC Is that Japan is SOMEHOW still struggling for resources considering they somehow took over the the pacific, East Coast, and INDIA! Like how
Wow, this was a very interesting one! A lot of writers are, maybe, a bit too obsessed with the Germans winning the World Wars, lol. It is very cool to think about how different the world would be with just a few events changed though.
Rice and Salt, kinda ignores that the Death hit the Islamic world as well. 43:00 kinda looking forward to alternative lines showing the actual soviet military of today. Instead.
This was a brilliant iceberg to go through and huge kudos to talking about the HoI4 mods like TNO and Red Flood I am absolutely gutted that Red Alert didn't get a mention and to a larger extent, the Command and Conquer franchise didn't get a section. i feel that should have been either tier 1 or 2.nonetheless, again a very well made Iceberg
SPOILERS- "The Man with the Iron Heart"- at the end its not really up in the air US occupation of western Germany ends after the death of Hydrich, no one in Germany really believes that the Federal Republic will survive, and the last man one of the heroes talks to is revealed to be hiding a Nazi party badge.
Why is USSR being allies with Germany during WW 2 is considered such alternate scenario, when they literally had Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact and invaded Poland together
9:27 Do you know what would have happened? nothing.. Germany continued to depend on imports of oil (Romania) and other raw materials, which were vulnerable to blockades and sabotage: Without access to sufficient resources, the ability to sustain a protracted war against the United Kingdom and the USSR remained limited. Without the United States, Germany could have prolonged the war and perhaps won temporary victories, but it still lacked the industrial and logistical capacity to sustain a prolonged conflict against the Soviet Union and the United Kingdom, who possessed greater resources and effective strategies to resist and eventually defeat the German forces. so stop believing you are the superheroes of the world
12:49 "1983: Doomsday" always annoyed me because the USSR is still allowed to exist, despite putting three billion people to death. Why isn't the USSR an international pariah? (Actually, why isn't every other country levelling the USSR to the ground...?)
A lot of these have terrible maps, 2-4 superpowers literally controlling the world. The idea of an Empire that is all of Africa & Europe, or all of Asia, or whatever is so silly. Its like the author just couldn't be bothered to flesh out their world properly and make workable empires and nations. Better to just leave areas blank or vague if you don't want to deal with them.
It’s funny you didn’t know about the Cyberpunk RPG. It was a big deal back in the 80s. it was a calving comet that knocked out Europe in the Peshawar Lancers. You have the Draka backstory wrong. It was in the Revolutionary War that the Dutch loses Cape Colony.
Just as you were explaining the "Plot against America" timeline, I was wondering why you were using the Fallout font. Then the next entry was the Fallout franchise. Alright 😂 Also, I am playing Fallout 76 while listening to you
![ค้าง (STILL) - GEMINI [ OFFICIAL MV ]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Ftxx3hk5vkU/mqdefault.jpg)
Any cool alt histories you can think of or have heard of? Let me know!
Idk if it exists but what if the Roman Empire never collapsed
I’m writing a novel right now. Will be out hopefully before summer.
1995, princes Diana meets with JFK Jr and falls in love with him. They break off their failing relationships, and marry in 1997 to start a family. After surviving a plane crash in 1999, both of them commit to serving their purposes in life, and so John runs for Senate in 2000. From there we see both of these people live throughout the decade influencing events, until he runs for president in 2008. Eventually, Diana makes it to the White House as the First Lady. And we see an alternate presidency of a Kennedy instead of Obama.
Lest Darkness Fall is one that's rarely talked about, but is very pivotal to the alternate history genre. It was one of the earliest modern examples of it (along with a Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court) and has been cited by Harry Turtledove himself as sparking his history in alternate history.
did you use the same iceberg as AlternateHistoryHub? also it would be really cool if you covered the Monument Mythos fully as it seems you have surface knowledge but you should cover it and learn more about it.
There is a science fiction book from 1908 written by Bolshevik Alexander bogdanov about a communist society on Mars called Red Star
One of the most interesting things about 1984 and how it applies to today is that they removed the word “bad” from the lexicon so you couldn’t be negative, so if you want to say something is bad you say it’s “un-good” instead.
Fast forward to today, you can’t say “suicide” on TikTok and now everyone says “un-alive” instead.
It’s hardly as dystopian as Orwell envisioned but it’s sort of strange that nobody is really talking about it.
I absolutely *hate* companies that think they can just automatically censor "bad words" and not have to do any actual content moderation.
It doesn't even solve the problem of people saying what you're trying to prevent them from saying. People will just change a character to a special character, spell it in leet, spell it backwards, use other words ("sewer slide"), or just come up with an entirely different word for the exact same thing. It solved nothing other than making communication inconvenient to everyone involved, including those trying to have a serious conversation.
The solution to bad language on your platform is human moderators, not some fancy algorithm that even 12-year-old ROBLOX kids can bypass.
Censoring a word never makes sense because people will just find another way to talk about the concept/subject. Evidently, nothing has changed
Well you're not nobody and you're talking about it!
That is actually a good observation! Institutional subjugation is so impersonal nowadays “unalive” is a phrase that was invented by the TikTok *community* instead of a top-down ministry of truth sort of situation like 1984. I personally have disdain for 1984 as the book itself though bc it does precisely that, create a ridiculous top-down authoritarian regime that couldn’t exist irl without tackling the actual societal pressures that lead to/proliferate totalitarianism in the first place.
I see your point 100% although I'd argue that euphemisms have always been around. Also social media isn't really a representation of the real world. The way I look at it would be like being in a room full of children within earshot. The word suicide would probably have been changed for kids 20 or 40 years ago too
Alternate WW2 History always has me on the edge of my seat. Hearing different stories on what would have happend are so intriguing.
I have so much Fun with that Alternate History.
Giant and Blatant Plug here but You should try the Community made Mod on HOI4 called The New Order which is basically a Visual Novel game of what if the Axis Wins WW2 and the Nee Cold War happening because of it. its being Realistic with the Germans and Japanese struggling to keep their Conquests under check with the Russians nearly destroying Germanys Moskowien Colony in the West Russian War and what ever you would think of a Realistic Axis Victory.
Orderstaad Burgundy lmao 🤣🤣🤣🤣
One of my own scenarios I thought of was if Germany and Italy never declared war on USA, and USA only fought Japan, and Europe/Africa just becomes a massive stalemate, would this lead to a 3 sided Cold War ?
@@planesrkool2727the US were gonna declare war on Germany regardless if Germany was first to do so or not. So you’d have to give a good explanation as to why they would just abandon the British after being dragged into the war by Japan.
lol the humans going into space to attack they’re home planet is funny to me “time to show them why we were created in Gods image!!”
Nah I feel like they all pretty much the same and are not realistic at all lol
In the fallout universe, Japan was bombed. It was said in the intro scene in fallout 4, the divergence happened around the 60s
Technically the divergence is way before since the Zetans kidnapped a samurai
@@liamcluett6203 yeah you’re right but that’s such a small detail and he was saying that Japan wasn’t bombed even though they said in the intro of fo4 that they did
@@Cxrrupt_Blitz No your right about Japan being bombed, just that divergences happened before the 60s. The samurai is far from the only one.
Samuri were actually abducted by aliens. That really happened.
Sure there’s several other differences before the 60s, but would Sinclair being called Red Rocket, or McDonalds being called Slocums really effect the outcome of ww2?
Alternative history is literally fanfic for men I love it
The best kind of fanfiction
Men need to get together and go camping.
Is fanfiction not fanfiction for men?
fanfictions of media are consumed by women more than men by a large majority@@TheWretchedOwl
its not fanfic for men its just fanfic
The US in the fallout timeline did nuke japan, Nate (FO4's Protagonist) mentions his great grandfathers time in WW2
The fact that you included a fanmade mod for hoi4 shows how into it you are
I love alternate history stuff so much I literally wrote my masters thesis on one, you have no idea how excited I am to watch this video 😍
Nerd
Bro I just fell asleep to the Ocean iceberg yesterday, glad to see this randomly popping up, you're good!
Weirdly enough Cody of alternate history hub did a video on this ice berg a while back. Glad to see you cover this iceberg as well.
I read “Back in the USSA” (difficult to get hold of). It’s a very interesting deep dive into an alternative World that touches on not just politics but also culture and even criminology. A fantastic piece of work!
Don’t want to be rude but you mentioned a lot of Hearts of Iron 4 mods that you should have named were from hoi4 as I know a lot pf people would want to play these senerios.
Keep up the Amazing Icebergs!
Fun fact: Nineteen Eighty-Four was first published as I wrote, but later, publishers cardinalized the number for print purposes.
I completely love your channel, 100% will be my next TH-cam paid membership.
Thank you Joshua! That honestly means a lot ^^
My favorite alternate history is Finno-Korean Hyperwar that happened in 8000 BC - 6000 BC
a war between Ancient Finland (Proto Finnish Holy Roman Khaganate) and Ancient Korea (Hwan Empire)
There’s a book called ‘Franz Ferdinand Lives’ about how history would be different had the Archduke not been shot… one example is, there wouldn’t have been the Hitler that started WW2 etc…very good book!
Little addendum to the 1920+ thing: The artist behind this is called Jakub Rozalski, and I can recommend looking up his art, it's amazing. Also, besides the Scythe tabletop board game, there's also the real-time strategy PC game Iron Harvest, which does a pretty good job of bringing the world to life, gameplay being similar to the Company of Heroes games
Honestly most underrated creator for these types of videos
A small correction for 1:05:49 that's the image of President Herbert Hoover, it was supposed to be the FBI Director Edgar Hoover
You’re killing it Connor! Great content as always!
April and the Extraordinary World is an underrated film
Scarlet Traces. A series of graphic novels by Edgington and D'israeli following what happens after H G Wells's War of the Worlds.
If in Axis of Time, the fleet transports back in time to 1942, how can Germany not invade Russia? Operation Barbarossa was in 1941
27:19 You simplified too much, frostpunk splits around 1822, when the differential machine became a kind of computer based on, for example, Automatons, which can be called robots. But you're right about the volcanoes, it was probably them
1:15:00 “Genghis Khan” was a title, his name was Temujin.
This will sound a bit odd, and really out of place, but chainsaw man also has some really interesting alternative history, like how the Soviet Union never fell, WW2 never happend, and bunch of other interesting stuff,
I don't know how you keep up this level of output but it's great!
What about L.Sprague Decamp Lest Darkness Fall the first alternate history ever written
24:48 it's Chornobyl actually, Chernobyl is a russian variant, while Chornobyl is a Ukrainian city
10:10 in fallout the United States did drop nukes on Japan as confirmed by the intro of Fallout 4
The Man in the High Castle was turned into a series by Prime Video, and it's actually so good lol
All alternate WW2 history: What if the smol hats are the bad guys? Lol
Weird.
Hi thanks for reviewing my iceberg. I await to see more from you.
10:04 actually in the fallout universe bombs were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki just fyi as a fallout nerd. it more of becomes alternate history in other ways not because of different stuff happening in world war 2. I as a fallout fan and many others will say we arent sure why this alternate time line happened and diverged into this advancements and focus on nuclear energy but everything is relatively the same timeline wise until post world war 2.
dude i would love a 1984 video essay
Going to be having a nice cup of black tea when I get home from work.
While Axis of Time sounds interesting. I'd say i've seen something very similar before.
"The newest, most advanced destroyer in the Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force, the JDS Mirai, sets sail from Japan on a training exercise with the United States Navy. En route, they encounter a strange meteorological anomaly, causing the Mirai to lose contact with her sister ships. After a short time, the crew detects a fleet approaching, but can barely believe their eyes as a massive battleship passes by them. The crew soon identify it as the Yamato"
I haven't read the manga, but the anime was great. Too bad they never really adopted the entire manga.
Hi Connor, thanks for a really fun video. What sort of accent do you have? I can't quite place it.
It's a mixture of different parts of London and Irish!
16:30 it sounds like he just described hetalia: paint it white
34:57 little correction here, it's the american revolution not the civil war
Enjoying a Peach Mango Green Tea Celsius while I indulge in some Connor's Curiosities!!
Al Capone of all people ruling the USSA is hilarious to me.
31:56 i take that as a referance to the movie Doomsday where a virus called the reaper virus devastates Scotland and a lot of people flee south to England and abroad and a quote from the movie: "As Britain turned its back on Scotland, the world turned its back on Britain" and the people left in Scotland either die or become cannibalistic savages, atleast one of the groups who live in the ruins of Glasgow, the other group led by a famous scientist, who the main charachters are looking for to ask his help for curing the reaper virus that has re-emerged in London, they live a medieval life style in a medieval castle.
That's honestly something that should've been included
Connor doing Alternate History LETS GOOOO 💯🔥
0:02 is that a Dominattion of the Draka reference?
This is one of your best videos
No matter which universe you come from, there will always be canon events
The fact you brought up stalker but not metro is crazy
Another great episode. The music really is key.
New subscriber and I love alternative history shows, books, and movies, especially fallout keep them coming I’m thinking about making an alternative universe book of my own
finally an iceberg video where the creator knows what he’s talking about and isn’t mispronouncing every 2nd word
The Monument Mythos is amazing and I can't wait for your take on it. Wendigoon hasn't done an update since season 3 I think. Alex is a wonderful creator and I can't wait to see what else they put out next. 😊
I can't keep up with that stuff lol
Great video! Subscribed
The opening monologue/speech Nate gives in Fallout 4 is proof that the US bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Please continue this series of Alternate Timeline stories.
I'm grumpy now. My homeland of the U.P. wasn't in the thumbnail
For all mankind, is honestly my favorite.
1:10:49 from someone who goes by both Harry and Harrison I very much appreciate the compliment. In kindergarten I went by Harry Harrison cuz I wanted an even longer name.
some cool alternative history that i like is Kaiserreich and Divergence of Darkness. they are both mods from paradox games which is why i know them but they are really cool
Great video! Keep it up! 🔥
The "Man in the High Castle" of Phillip K. Dick?
Good book.
@SlyracoonFTM Dicks always write the best books
@@SlyracoonFTMwhy
@@tudodenovo544 it is more personal opinion. You can find a reading of it on here. I like it for the alternate history aspect
@@DoWCPA ok
Best birthday present ever!!! Thank you!
You're welcome
IF YOU WANT TO AVOID SPOLERS!!! then it's better to skip "the fatherland" part at all because the main concept of the book is said in the video and knowing just the concept makes half of the book more predictable
Absolutely loving this video Thankyou!
I will argue though, kaiserreich is not really a dystopia, its more of just different problems. The world it portrays may not be the most democratic, but it also avoids the rise of the fascist regimes that existed in our timeline. Its not BETTER, but it is a world that I wouldnt particularly mind living in. Its definitely better than most alternate worlds in this iceberg.
Yeah, it’s generally worse for everyone but it also isn’t infeasible or dystopian
@@oldylad yeah and it isnt like INSANELY worse. On one hand, russia could be argued to be better off during the kaiserreich timeline as it has a chance to become something more than the stalinist dictatorship of our timeline. China is still fucked up but less so and Japan still has a chance to avoid the "Imperial Rule Assistance Association"'s rise. The bulgarian hegemony though fragile can result in peace in the balkans. The chaos of Modern Arabia is basically averted by the fact britain and france are not there to carve up arabia. And finally, no matter how horrid the second weltkrieg is, it never surpasses the real world war 2 in terms of casualties, which in our world reached 83 million.
please bring more of these videos.
Anther great video man, you're killing it on views too, 👏 I need to know your secret 😮 cheers buddy 🍻
I always have to wonder why there aren't more alternate histories with ww1 at the focus. I mean, ww2 is the more morally dramatic one but there's lots of interesting directions you can go with an alternate ww1. I mean, you could even make the argument that if the triple alliance won ww1 then hitler wouldn't come to power and our ww2 wouldn't happen
My biggest pet peive for MITHC Is that Japan is SOMEHOW still struggling for resources considering they somehow took over the the pacific, East Coast, and INDIA! Like how
58:43
as a long time contributor to the Reds timeline i must say this is the single most shallow look at the timeline that i have ever seen.
Really excited for this!
Wow, this was a very interesting one! A lot of writers are, maybe, a bit too obsessed with the Germans winning the World Wars, lol. It is very cool to think about how different the world would be with just a few events changed though.
You should check out the World War,1990 series by William Stroock.
He also has a trilogy about the nuclear war of 1975.
Great books
Love it when men write fanfiction😂
BAHAHAHA THIS
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Ima be real, it’s way better than anything a woman could do
You wanna read my Star Trek fan script? 🤓
@@BillyBoucher-ql3pwyeah ok 😂
Kaiserreich is litary better then what happened in real life
Rice and Salt, kinda ignores that the Death hit the Islamic world as well.
43:00 kinda looking forward to alternative lines showing the actual soviet military of today. Instead.
This was a brilliant iceberg to go through and huge kudos to talking about the HoI4 mods like TNO and Red Flood
I am absolutely gutted that Red Alert didn't get a mention and to a larger extent, the Command and Conquer franchise didn't get a section. i feel that should have been either tier 1 or 2.nonetheless, again a very well made Iceberg
Still have 2 more parts of this iceberg to go! They might show up in the later parts 👀
@@connors-curiosities ah in that case that's awesome to hear can't wait!
SPOILERS- "The Man with the Iron Heart"- at the end its not really up in the air US occupation of western Germany ends after the death of Hydrich, no one in Germany really believes that the Federal Republic will survive, and the last man one of the heroes talks to is revealed to be hiding a Nazi party badge.
Why is USSR being allies with Germany during WW 2 is considered such alternate scenario, when they literally had Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact and invaded Poland together
WW2 ended when American and Russian forces captured Berlin.
That thing was temporary
52:27 fuck, this one is hilariously unbelievable
Another good addition to this iceberg would’ve been the story from World War Zero: Ironstorm
That's coming up in part 2 👀
I have read a few of those books,the world war series is great,but 1984 is the scariest
this shi kinda makes me wanna make an alternate timeline about covid LMAOOOOO good stuff as always con, sir!
9:27 Do you know what would have happened? nothing..
Germany continued to depend on imports of oil (Romania) and other raw materials, which were vulnerable to blockades and sabotage:
Without access to sufficient resources, the ability to sustain a protracted war against the United Kingdom and the USSR remained limited.
Without the United States, Germany could have prolonged the war and perhaps won temporary victories, but it still lacked the industrial and logistical capacity to sustain a prolonged conflict against the Soviet Union and the United Kingdom, who possessed greater resources and effective strategies to resist and eventually defeat the German forces.
so stop believing you are the superheroes of the world
great video!
12:49 "1983: Doomsday" always annoyed me because the USSR is still allowed to exist, despite putting three billion people to death. Why isn't the USSR an international pariah? (Actually, why isn't every other country levelling the USSR to the ground...?)
I want to buy all these books
Ok I'm in but when we hit 100B subs you gotta make an actual iceberg out of frozen tea or something
Would you be able to cover the alternative history of The Great Martian War?
please make more i beg so hard
1:30 no that’s not the plot
What is the plot?
A lot of these have terrible maps, 2-4 superpowers literally controlling the world. The idea of an Empire that is all of Africa & Europe, or all of Asia, or whatever is so silly. Its like the author just couldn't be bothered to flesh out their world properly and make workable empires and nations. Better to just leave areas blank or vague if you don't want to deal with them.
Imagine shooting down an alien ship in a Sherman or tiger tank
41:06 King*
Japanese Texas must be a wonderful place ^^
Your thumbnail left out the UP of Michigan
It’s funny you didn’t know about the Cyberpunk RPG. It was a big deal back in the 80s.
it was a calving comet that knocked out Europe in the Peshawar Lancers.
You have the Draka backstory wrong. It was in the Revolutionary War that the Dutch loses Cape Colony.
But you know that Japan was destroyed before atomic bombs? xD
Americans forgetting flamable bombs and their war crimes moment
Just as you were explaining the "Plot against America" timeline, I was wondering why you were using the Fallout font. Then the next entry was the Fallout franchise. Alright 😂 Also, I am playing Fallout 76 while listening to you
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