Top 5 Heavyweight Champions in the 1960s | A Brief Chronology of the 1960s Heavyweight Championship
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- A brief chronology of the 1960s world heavyweight boxing championship.
Who were the Top 5 world heavyweight boxing champions during the 1960s?
7 boxers held the heavyweight championship between January 1st, 1960 and December 31st, 1969, and those men were Ingemar Johansson, Floyd Patterson, Sonny Liston, Muhammad Ali, Ernie Terrell, Joe Frazier, and Jimmy Ellis. For the purposes of this video, we are specifically comparing championship reigns and championship bouts during this period.
So who were the Top 5 heavyweight champions during the 1960s?
This video documentary will attempt to answer that question.
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This episode of Rummy's Corner was written, narrated, and produced by Geoffrey Ciani (aka - Rummy).
Ranking the Top 5 Heavyweight Boxing Champions in the 1960s | A Brief Chronology of the 1960s Heavyweight Championship
We got robbed of watching 3 years of Ali's prime
All because of some dumb war.
Truly criminal.
I hope he does the 70s, 80, and 90s.
Who?
And ‘00 and ‘10.
I'm looking forward to those.
And 40’s, 30’s, 20’s, 10’s
He did a 90s heavyweight title video like an hour long it’s really cool check it out
Looking forward to how you rank the 70s and the 90s heavyweights.
What about 80s holmes Tyson Spinks Witherspoon
You can watch a zillion clips of Ali, and it's still dazzling each time. Enjoying the "decades" series - thanks for posting.
Good to see you still uploading.
Thank you once again for your incredible insight, Rummy! I keep coming back every time, you are simply the man. This has to be my favorite series you've done in a while; loved part one, and part two is just as fantastic. Rock on!
Thank you very much! You rock on, as well! :)
@@RummysCorner If I could make a request, I would LOVE it if, when finished with the big boys, you could do top 5 champions for each decade for the other weight classes? The ones that have been around since the 50s, at least. Thanks again!
@@thareelhelloagain we all need to do a $2 superthanks, if 100 of us only do this it's $200 which can go towards a Christmas present! Since Rummy gives us libraries full of free amazing content, maybe we oughtta show him we value that and in January, chuck him a few dollars.
The quality of this stuff could easily sit alongside the best that TV or streaming platforms have to offer, AND SOME. Rummy is the topdog.
In South Dakota, it’s 2 degrees and we’re in the middle of a blizzard.
Thanks Rummy for a few minutes of insightful analysis and entertainment.
Another solid production.
It's too hard for me to rank my top 2 for this decade. On the one hand, Ali's two greatest opponents had significant injuries that held them back both in training and in their first fights with him. Patterson had an injured sacro-liliac joint, and Liston had an injured left shoulder. These were very significant because Patterson relied so much on speed and mobility, and Liston relied so much on his left jab. Plus, Liston was forced to throw the 2nd fight. So we never saw Ali tested against these two anywhere near their peak condition.
But on the other hand, none of those problems were Ali's fault. AND Ali had the last third of that decade taken from him!
Can you imagine how great the 60s could have been for boxing if not for the corrupt streets that controlled Liston and the corrupt government that robbed Ali?!? How amazing it would have been to see prime Ali vs peak Liston!!! I don't think either one would knock each other out, but I think Liston would knock Ali down by the mid-to-late rounds and win by points. But either way the fight would have gone down in history! Ali would then probably reinvent his whole approach and style and become better than ever.
Did you forget about Cleveland Williams who beat Ernest Terrell by Technical Stoppage in the 7th round, during their scheduled bout in 1962. On what grounds did boxing fraternity or commission schedule a rematch, which was held in 1963. In addition this was to be held in Chicago where Terrell lives.
Williams was scheduled to fight for the vacant WBA Heavyweight title in 1964 against Terrell. Instead he finds himself fighting to remain alive after being shot by .357 magnum at point blank range. Two years removed after losing 3/4 small intestines, kidney & considerable weight loss he enters the ring on Nov. 14 1966 at Houston Astrodome to square off for WBC version of Heavyweight Title against Muhammad Ali. This was a stoppage at 3rd round after Williams was knocked down 4 times and got up every time. In addition Williams winnings for that prize fight was garnished by Bud Adams.
Cleveland Williams fought Sonny Liston to two slugfest in 1959 & 1960. He hit Liston with bombs that should have sent all men bar Liston to the canvass. Then Ali manages to beat an out of shape Liston, they call it the upset of the century. Yes if Ali had lost to the version of Williams of 1966, their would be no Greatest of All Time status and Liston affair would’ve been exposed. Williams was expected to lose.
There probably would have been an Ali/Frazier fight in the 60’s which would have been great. Ali couldn’t move like he did in the 60’s when he fought Frazier which would have made it interesting. Ali might have never taken that first loss,
@@alfarparan He absolutely wouldn't have lost, Ali found his most success in the Frazier fights when he imitated his 60's boxing style but couldn't do it for that long. Sure he wouldn't knock Frazier out and Frazier would probably give him a beating in the later rounds but Ali would win a comfortable victory.
I think you could say that about a lot of the opposition Ali face in the mid to late 70s, he carried an Injury into those fights, a brain injury, And he still beat them in some cases!
Ali robbed himself by dodging the draft. Agree or disagree with the policy, but labeling it "corrupt" when most people would get punished in that situation misses the mark. Nor was Ali some pacifist idealist back then as revisionist media portrays him. He gave an interview saying he'd support war if it was holy jihad. He just opposed fighting for an infidel nation. He moved in Nation of Islam circles back then, opposing racial integration and sounding a lot like Al Qaeda in his rhetoric. He had a change of heart later and became a better man, but in his radical days he was far from a role model worth emulating.
Nicely done. I can't wait for you to get to the 70s and 90s.
Nice one for putting Liston in, one of the most underrated boxers of his generation
true
His own fault
This is better than tv documentaries love your videos
thank you for this nice video! I enjoyed it a lot! Knowing how Muhammad Ali dominated that decade, I'm wondering what he'd have done if he still had his license... waiting for the 70s video
Man you have the best voice. For boxing videos I have ever heard. Huge fan of your channel.
Couldn’t wait for you to drop more videos like this👍🏾
Good morning!!!
KEEP UP THE GRIND RUMMY 💪🏾💪🏾
Just what I needed for my flight later.
Great content like this is what boxing deserve 🥊🥊
We should all chuck him a few dollars in January, I swear he produces better content than tv, streaming, paid channels, I couldn't name you a better producer of boxing content!
Excellent 🎉. Thanks 😊
I look forward to these videos!
My favorite boxing channel.
Thank you very much! Cheers!
Goodmorning 🌞 Rummy been waiting on you
Terrific work again, Geoff. Unquestionable analysis and reasoning plus very enjoyable viewing!
Keep doing these. And then eventually do one on this era once it’s over.
Muhammad Ali is the most known, most beautiful to watch and best heavyweight of all time. Not only cause boxing but the things he did outside the ring. This combinations boxing wise and live wise makes him the biggest Legend of this game.
Rummy is the first time I’m leaving a comment. I’ve been watching your channel for sometime. Love all the content love the history. Two questions are you going to include Ernie shavers who I had the opportunity to meet in Las Vegas once in the 1970s heavyweight championship video. And are you ever going to make a video of who is the hardest puncher in the heavyweight division of all time?
Awesome! Thank you! I will try and do something on Shavers at some point for sure. Not so sure on the other topic, I'd have to give that one considerable thought.
Great video
Might as well hit Like before the opening ads finish. You already know it’s going to be a quality video
Yeah, man. Bad weather, slow morning at the Cafe. . . But look at what we have here! Always, Big Up, Rummy! Every time!
Great video, and well reasoned. I would have put Joe Frazier at No. 2 because I'm a huge Frazier fan, but that's just me being biased!
Thanks again for your hard work, Rummy!
Can't argue with you about Frazier being a great fighter, but you may wish to contemplate how he might have done against a prime Sonny Liston.
Imagine an Ali Frazier fight in the 60's when Ali still had his best conditioning, reflexes, movement and speed, tough fight anyway for anyone going against Smokin Joe
Rummy, your stuff is always terrific. Thanks.
Much appreciated! Thanks for watching.
I'm excited to see your 90s top 5.
1. Lewis
2. Holyfield
3. Foreman
4. Bowe
5. Tyson
Nice one Rummy 👊🥊totally agree with all of it mate, great video, have a good Christmas and best wishes for the new year Sir👍✌️🙏
Thank you very much. Same to you!
Excellent stuff buddy. Love this content. Really appreciate it. Bless up 👊
Much appreciated! Cheers!
great video rummy! always happy to see a new upload. you’re truly a credit to my boxing knowledge.
I appreciate that. Cheers!
I agree with your list. It's perfect in my opinion. Another great video bro
70s is the deepest era. Can't wait for your video on that one
that graphic at the end shows you how much the game has changed. how much more parody there was and how many more losses and comebacks are a part of the careers of your top fighters. yeah, frazier and ali went undefeated but they surely would have met in the 60's and one of htem would have taken a loss were it not for the vietnam war. go 3 and 4 in title fights and you're top 3 in the decade. quite different from today's era of record padding that goes on well into a fighter's prime.
Todays lot are absolute pussies. The undefeated records going on for decades, that proves to me that a lot of the fights are ear-fluff. But yeah back in the day man, you had legends knocking out legends all the time, NOBODY ended up with 0 losses and if you did people knew it was fake.
Now boxing fans of a young age, they're just not that bright :D They buy anything sold to them with flashy cutscenes. Lennox Lewis is the guy from here who deserved to go unbeaten and even he was KO'd one time! He avenged it but still, shows you that even Tyson Fury must be padding.
Cuz Lewis was better imo than Tyson, even though I am a Fury fan. Lennox was the real King Of The Ring.
Ever since mayweather era the ‘0’ has become the main thing about boxing
Another great video. Thanks Rummy.
#1 Ali
#2 Frazier
#3 Liston (I wished he could have lived longer. Liston v Frazier, Liston v Foreman, Liston Chuvalo, Liston v Lyle.) But maybe he was too old at the time anyways
#4 Patterson
#5 Terrell
This is by far the best channel for Boxing!
Liston could be much older, he could be against Ali around 40
Boxing Records in World Championship Fights: (Last update December 14th, 2022)
Julio Cesar Chavez Sr 31-4-2-22 KOs
"El Huracan" Omar Andres Narvaez 28-3-1-12 KOs
Joe Louis 26-1-0-22 KOs
Floyd "Money" Mayweather Jr 26-0-0-10 KOs
Dariusz "Tiger" Michaelczewski 25-2-0-20 KOs
Ricardo "Finito" Lopez 25-0-1-19 KOs
"Dr. Steelhammer" Wladimir Klitschko 25-4-0-19 KOs
"The Golden Boy" Oscar De La Hoya 24-5-0-17 KOs
Bernard "The Alien" Hopkins 24-5-2-13 KOs
Virgil "Quicksilver" Hill 24-5-0-7 KOs
Roy Jones Jr 23-3-0-14 KOs
Gennady "GGG" Golovkin 22-2-1-20 KOs
"The Greatest" Muhammad Ali 22-3-0-14 KOs
Joe Calzaghe 22-0-0-11 KOs
Sven Ottke 22-0-0-5 KOs
Marco Antonio Barrera 21-4-0-12 KOs
Kazuto Ioka 21-2-0-10 KOs
Felix "Tito" Trinidad 20-1-0-16 KOs
Miguel Angel Cotto 20-6-0-16 KOs
Larry Holmes 20-5-0-14 KOs
Naoya "Monster" Inoue 19-0-0-17 KOs
Alexis Arguello 19-3-0-17 KOs
Saul "Canelo" Alvarez 19-2-1-11 KOs
Manny "Pacman" Pacquiao 19-5-2-9 KOs
Pernell "Sweet Pea" Whitaker 19-3-1-4 KOs
"The Professor" Azumah Nelson 18-4-2-12 KOs
Erik "El Terrible" Morales 18-5-0-11 KOs
Terence "Bud" Crawford 17-0-0-14 KOs
"The Filipino Flash" Nonito Donaire 17-5-0-12 KOs
Roman "Chocolatito" Gonzalez 17-4-0-10 KOs
Johnny "Mi Vida Loca" Tapia 17-1-1-6 KOs
"Simply The Best" Chris Eubank Sr 17-5-2-5 KOs
"Prince" Naseem Hamed 16-1-0-14 KOs
"Hands of Stone" Roberto Duran 16-6-0-13 KOs
Evander "The Real Deal" Holyfield 16-7-2-9 KOs
"El Terremoto" Leo Santa Cruz 16-2-0-7 KOs
Michael Moorer 15-2-0-12 KOs
Kostya Tszyu 15-2-0-12 KOs
"Dr. Ironfist" Vitali Klitschko 15-2-0-12 KOs
"Sugar" Shane Mosley 15-7-0-12 KOs
Carlos "Escopeta" Monzon 15-0-0-10 KOs
"Sir" Lennox Lewis 15-2-1-10 KOs
"Manitas De Piedra" Michael Carbajal 15-3-0-10 KOs
Michael Spinks 14-1-0-9 KOs
Thomas "Hitman" Hearns 14-4-1-9 KOs
Jorge "Travieso" Arce 14-6-0-9 KOs
Daniel Zaragoza 14-5-3-5 KOs
"Marvelous" Marvin Hagler 13-1-1-12 KOs
Sergey "Krusher" Kovalev: 13-4-0-10 KOs
Vasyl "Hi-Tech" Lomachenko 13-2-0-9 KOs
Mike "Bodysnatcher" McCallum 13-3-1-8 KOs
"Kaiyanghada" Chayaphon Moonsri 13-3-0-5 KOs
"Iron" Mike Tyson 12-4-0-10 KOs
Mark "Too Sharp" Johnson 12-1-0-6 KOs
Gervonta "Tank" Davis 11-0-0-10 KOs
Aaron "The Hawk" Pryor 11-0-0-9 KOs
Zab "Super" Judah 11-8-0-9 KOs
Jorge Linares 11-4-0-7 KOs
"El Gallo" Juan Francisco Estrada 11-2-0-6 KOs
Ronald "Winky" Wright 11-3-1-3 KOs
"The Bronze Bomber" Deontay Wilder 10-2-1-9 KOs
"Sugar" Ray Leonard 10-2-1-8 KOs
"Le Tombeur" Lucian Bute 10-2-1-7 KOs
"Viking Warrior" Mikkel Kessler 10-3-0-7 KOs
Antonio Margarito 10-5-0-7 KOs
Erislandy "The American Dream" Lara 10-1-1-5 KOs
James "Lights Out" Toney: 10-1-2-5 KOs
Carl "The Cobra" Froch: 10-2-0-5 KOs
Dmitry Bivol 10-0-0-2 KOs
Adonis "Superman" Stevenson 9-1-1-7 KOs
Anthony Joshua 9-3-0-7 KOs
"Quadro Alas" John Riel Casimero 9-2-0-6 KOs
Kosei Tanaka 9-1-0-5 KOs
Sergio "Maravilla" Martinez 9-1-1-5 KOs
Guillermo "El Chacal" Rigondeaux 9-2-0-5 KOs
Fabrice Tiozzo 9-2-0-5 KOs
Demetrius "Boo Boo" Andrade 9-0-0-4 KOs
Oscar Valdez 9-1-0-4 KOs
Daniel Santos 9-3-0-4 KOs
Oleksandr Usyk 9-0-0-3 KOs
Andre "SOG" Ward 9-0-0-3 KOs
Juan Manuel "Dinamita" Marquez 9-5-1-3 KOs
Hector "Macho" Camacho 9-4-0-2 KOs
Adrian "The Problem" Broner 8-3-0-7 KOs
Jermall Charlo 8-0-0-4 KOs
Wilfred Benitez 8-2-0-2 KOs
Artur Beterbiev 7-0-0-7 KOs
Rocky "The Brockton Blockbuster" Marciano 7-0-0-6 KOs
Vassiliy "The Tiger" Jirov 7-1-0-6 KOs
Miguel "El Alacran" Berchelt 7-1-0-6 KOs
Jermell Charlo 7-1-1-6 KOs
Ike "Bazooka" Quartey 7-2-1-6 KOs
"Ferocious" Fernando Vargas 7-2-0-5 KOs
Errol Spence Jr 7-0-0-4 KOs
Arturo "Thunder" Gatti 7-2-0-4 KOs
Mikey Garcia 7-1-0-2 KOs
"Swift" Danny Garcia 7-3-0-2 KOs
"Superb" Billy Joe Saunders 7-1-0-1 KOs
"Miracle Man" Daniel Jacobs 6-3-0-5 KOs
"Mr." Gary Russell Jr 6-2-0-4 KOs
Orlando Salido 6-5-2-4 KOs
Jaime Munguia 6-0-0-3 KOs
Kell "Special K" Brook 6-3-0-3 KOs
Jose Luis Castillo 6-3-1-3 KOs
"King Khan" Amir Khan 6-4-0-3 KOs
Vernon "The Viper" Forrest 6-3-0-1 KOs
"The Dream" Devin Haney 6-0-0-0 KOs
Tyson Fury 5-0-1-4 KOs
Nicholas "Axe Man" Walters 5-1-0-4 KOs
"Big" George Foreman 5-3-0-4 KOs
"Kid Dynamite" Danny Romero Jr 5-3-0-4 KOs
Tracy Harris Patterson 5-3-1-3 KOs
"Mundo" Callum Smith 5-1-0-2 KOs
"The Tartan Tornado" Josh Taylor 5-0-0-1 KOs
Gilberto "Zurdo" Ramirez 5-1-0-1 KOs
Keith "One Time" Thurman 5-1-0-1 KOs
"American Idol" Tevin Farmer 5-1-0-1 KOs
Chris Byrd 5-2-1-1 KOs
Carl "The Jackal" Frampton 5-3-0-1 KOs
Jermain "Bad Intentions" Taylor 5-2-1-0 KOs
Vince "Cool" Phillips 4-2-0-4 KOs
Jarrett "Swift" Hurd 4-1-0-3 KOs
"The Hitman" Ricky Hatton 4-1-0-2 KOs
Caleb "Sweethands" Plant 4-1-0-2 KOs
Julio Cesar Chavez Jr 4-1-0-2 KOs
"Sugar" Shakur Stevenson 4-0-0-1 KOs
Jamel "Semper Fi" Herring 4-1-0-1 KOs
Badou "The Ripper" Jack 4-1-2-1 KOs
Srisaket Sor Rungvisai 4-2-0-1 KOs
"Showtime" Shawn Porter 4-4-0-1 KOs
James "Chunky" DeGale 4-1-1-0 KOs
Junior "Poison" Jones 4-4-0-0 KOs
Antonio "Magic Man" Tarver 3-3-0-1 KOs
Tim Witherspoon 3-3-0-1 KOs
"The American Dream" David Reid 3-1-0-0 KOs
"The Takeover" Teofimo Lopez 2-1-0-1 KOs
Good morning excellent analysis. Keep it up.
Thanks Rummy for another great video. i love your channel and your hard work creating your content. i would have to agree with your ranking. i am huge Smokin Joe fan but i understand why he isn't higher on the list. keep up em coming Rummy
Thank you very much. Cheers!
I think Liston's place on the list not just related to the 1960s, but to the whole boxing history means the biggest question.
His victory against Patterson was one of the most brutal and spectacular performance ever.
And his losses against Ali, especially the rematch and that acting on the canvas ...just confusing.
Excellent ranking!
Rummy you are still the top dog of boxing history!
Defends the title once again, what's that 5 years running?
UNDEFEATED NEVER LOST A ....wait, that's another guy :)
Merry Christmas Rummy & family, God bless you all shalom and greetings.
Thank you very much, and same to you! Enjoy!
Another great vid. Fair ranking imho. Ali coming first suffers no discussion. Liston seems to be often underrated, his reign was short but he made the then current champion look like a ragdoll when he beat him. Twice.
1) Cassius Clay
2) Muhammad Ali
3) The Greatest
4) The Louisville Lip
5) The People’s Champ
🤣🤣🤣
Once again I agree with everything you say, which is nice!
I am a simple guy... when I see a Rummys corner video, I click and like the video before I even watch it 🤷🏿♂️
I'm such a huge Sonny Liston fan. he just fascinates the hell out of me. I highly recommend Nick Tosche's book "The Devil and Sonny Liston"
Again Rummy hits it on the nail head. All great facts with Truth. Thanks Rummy!🥊🥊🔔
50's, 60's, even 70's for the most part - there were only a handful of champions. But then in the 80's things started to get fucked up. I wonder how many champions of different sanctioning bodies we had during that decade. 20? 30?
Great job, as always Rummy
I've been thinking about that a lot myself, and the alphabet soup of splintered champions.
Top 5 heavyweight champions in the 1930s is the most interesting I can think of
I've already considered circling back to that decade, because I find it fascinating, too. But until then, I plan to do the remaining decades, and then 2 more bigger videos based on those.
Spot on!
Another great list! Patterson & Frazier are two of my favourites! Real honest, talented champions!
Patterson was a special boxer, he should have been a three time Heavyweight champion if the judges had got it right against (the underrated) Ellis!
Great video. I think Cleveland Williams was the best fighter of this era to never hold a belt. No champion had the guts to face him until Ali -- when he was half the fighter from his prime due to injuries of his gunshot wound. In another world, I would have loved to see how he would have fared against Patterson. Word has it that Cus wouldn't let Patterson fight him.
He was something. Up until he was almost shot to death.
Lol, so much nonsense there. He got knocked out on Rocky Marciano’s undercard. Yes Patterson didn’t want to fight him but others would. To be fair to Cleveland, he was a shell of himself vs Ali and shouldn’t have been allowed to compete as he was partially Paralyzed
@@drankyodrank That’s great it has to be pointed out he lost to Sonny Jones and it was in 1953. Williams by that point was learning the art of boxing and still green. He was still 19 years of age or just turned 20. Thanks for observation.
Happens Ali should’ve lost to Doug Jones, no because he was all hot air, decision went to Ali. Because simply he could bring bums on seats.
Liston destroyed peak Williams and desemated Patterson both twice. Ali nearly got Knocked out of the ring by Henry cooper. Liston was nearly 40 when he fought Ali and with a damaged left shoulder. Ali undoubtedly is great but his greatness was not defined by the victories over Liston or Williams
Thank you for my newest catchphrase: This is just my personal opinion, at this time!
If you're including guys who just had belts but were not considered the lineal champion, the 80's onward are going to be chaos.
Indeed! They will be far more chaotic.
Can you imagine if Muhammad Ali was a southpaw heavyweight boxer ?🥊🤔
He might of been unbeatable
@@slidecounter5813 he would have been a nightmare to deal with.🥊💯
He would've either been even more unstoppable or he would've put a lot more wear and tear on that chin earlier in his career. Slick, speed reliant, hands down southpaws play a very dangerous game. Feel like it would've given Joe Frazier fits tho.
Wow that would be a great thing to see
He might have been as good as Michael Moorer 😂😂✌️
Can you do more dream matches? I really enjoyed them
I do have a couple in mind, just haven't gotten around to them yet.
@@RummysCorner I have quite a few
Naseem Hamed vs Willie Pep
David Tua vs Mike Tyson
Manny Pacquiao vs Edwin Valero
Canelo Alvarez vs Roy Jones Jr
Evander Holyfield vs Ike Ibeabuchi
Saved again by Rummy's video; been down with a stinking cold for two weeks and three days now, I was running out of things to watch from my sick bed. Thanks Rummy.
Edit and totally off topic: I'd be interested to hear if loads of people have been ill across the pond, in the UK we are dropping like flies. One theory is; lockdown lowered the collective immunity to viruses.
Ali fought and won against all other 4 on the list. No one else on the list did that. Ali was the greatest.
No. But he was certainly the best in the '60s.
Good fun and good stuff Rummy. Wouldn't argue with that.
1 Ali
2 Liston
3 Frazier
4 Patterson
5 Terrell
I hope you can do the all time! ❤
MAN, THESE DUDES WERE KILLERS!😎😎😎😎
Thx for the video, Rummy. I maybe would have ranked smoking Joe one rank higher and Floyd Patterson one rank lower. But i agree to the rest of your comparison. They all had great personalities - it was a great time in boxing history.
So much potential content
it would be interesting to have this series on other divisions like welter or middle
Very good assessment even if I think that 60s Frazier would beat 60s Patterson.
I agree. In a hypothetical fantasy match-up I'd take late 60s Frazier against any version of Patterson.
You the best Rummy!
Doing each weight class by decade would be awesome
2:37 when Ali KO'd Zora Folly then old man sitting in audience (smoking) like:
*🤷🏻♂️ ohhhh sh_t* …
Spot on.
I gotta go with Frazier #2 & Liston #3 Patterson #4
Did not get notified…smh
You ever heard of the "Death Row" middleweights of the Sugar Ray era
It’s hard not to think Joe Frazier should be a little further up the list but that’s a pretty nice list to be on.
This is my opinion, boxing can't advance when all these channels are only talking about old fighters like Ali/Frazier/Tyson, there are a lot of great boxers that no one knows about and are active now, i feel like ive watched a video similar to this like a hundred times. The stigma that boxing is dead is because of this.
Great work Rummy!
I'm surprised you chose Patterson over Frazier. But the reasoning makes sense. Just one thing. The Ellis - Patterson decision was not "a bit controversial" but one of the biggest and most obvious frauds of all time. I think you were trying to be a bit diplomatic here^^
Would be nice to see the greatest decades boxers have had list
If I'm being honest, I think Frazier and his team were smart for not entering that tournament. They had a route for a portion of the heavyweight title through Mathis and whoever won out of the eight would have to come to him anyway. He'd beat Quarry, Bonavena and Ellis in the end who were arguably the best of that crop.
prediction:
ali in the 70s with joe frazier in the number 2 spot and george foreman on 3.
larry holmes in the 80s with mike tyon in the number 2 spot and michael spinks on 3.
lennox lewis in the 90s with holyfield in the number 2 spot and riddick bowe on 3.
vitali klitschko in the 2000s with lennox lewis in the number 2 spot and vladimir klitschko on 3.
vladimir klitschko in the 2010s with deontay wilder in the number two spot and tyson fury on 3.
2020s so far tyson fury, oleksandr usyk and i guess AJ for lack of other options
Sounds about right.
Rummy, there's no shame in losing to Ali.. but there's shame in the way Liston lost to Ali ! He quit both times
Great job Rummy!
I am glad you put Liston #2!
I know many would have Frazier higher. Reality is Liston is vastly under rated. I am not even sure what that was in Liston/Ali #2? Ali considers Liston his biggest win.
It is too bad Liston was involved with the mob and likely took a dive in the second Ali fight. Liston just destroyed Patterson in both fights. Liston is one fighter that would transition the smaller heavyweight era fighter too much later. He was not small by any era. Liston 2-0 in title fights both 1st round knockouts until Ali. 2nd Ali fight had even Ali over top of him saying get up as he knew he took a dive. The ever interesting boxing and especially then very political. Younger people would not know it today but heavyweight champion was "the" athlete.
1960's, 1970's, 1920's and 1990's were the best decades for HW's
DON'T forget he was also supposed to rematch Patterson in 1967!
Cosell said in '67 there was no one left for Ali to fight, I guess he forgot about Frazier, Quarry, Bonavena, etc. Seriously Ali probably would've stayed champ much longer if he hadnt of been kicked out of boxing a few years, probably even would've won a fight with Frazier in most likely '68 or '69
The politics behind Clay/Ali were overwhelming. No chance that he beat Liston, NO CHANCE. Clay/Ali was the golden boy, just like Leonard (ie: vs Hagler). These fighters are talented, no doubt, but they are selected because they are able to provide an appearance, persona, and in the end put meat in the seats in order to generate the money. Why do you think managers like D'Amato slept in the same room with Patterson, too many worries and influences.
I've always said Frazier was one of the best boxers of that era. When fighters like Foreman say they were scared of Frazier, that means something. The beating Frazier got from Foreman was unreal, it is unheard of / forbidden in today's boxing. The Rocky films = Frazier, the true underdog. Ali, great? Absolutely, but never the underdog and was politically pushed to the top.
The 60s to 70s was one of the best eras, with fighters like Lyle, Shavers and Foreman all joining in. There has never been and probably will never be a time with so many really competitive athletes going at it like they did. I will end on this, *Jimmy Young* was one of the smartest boxing tacticians back in the early 70s. It was politics why he never became champ. His fight with Foreman speaks volumes, it put Foreman (near death) into retirement! And Young's fight against Ali, should have been a win (or a re-match). But.... they never wanna risk the golden boy investment.
Patterson over Fraser?
I would absolutely have Joe Frazier at #2. He might not have entered the tournament, but when he eventually fought Ellis (who won it), he totally smoked him!
80s will be fun. Larry Holmes, Iron Mike, Spinks and bunch of paper champs.
Spinks as a heavyweight? No.
@@coveyssteveFirst light heavyweight champ to take the title from the heavyweight champ, three successful defenses (one against the murderous punching Cooney), and a three year reign as linear champ? Spinks as a heavyweight? Yes.
@@coveyssteveSpinks beat Larry Holmes twice and he beat Gerry Cooney so I think he’s going to make it to number 3
Muhammad Ali was a badddd badddd man.
Wow these videos are about to get a lot longer with the alphabet belts we have now
I know. I'm already going through scenarios in my head for the 80s and 90s.
Troppa confusione nei filmati
I was surprised Tyson wasn’t named until I saw it was about the 60’ties. But a hard decade for sure! They would have been light heavyweight today!. Ali was arguably the best. It it shouldn’t be necessary saying it it’s a personal opinion! But somehow it is 🎸😊
Im gunna guess 1980s will be
1. Mike Tyson
2. Larry Holmes
3. Michael Spinks
4. Tim Witherspoon
5. Pinklon Thomas
i can see your reasoning and respect it.
but if this list is up to me, frazier is definitely higher than patterson, just by beating prime ali.
Joe Frazier should be #2 right behind the greatest
Muhammad Ali the greatest all of time
Patterson shouldn’t be above Fraiser in a top 5 60’s ranking for his achievements in the 50’s
Just my opinion though
How good could Liston have been if he was a) - Younger than his documented years, b)- NOT controlled by the mob, and c) - Hadn't run into Ali ? - If Ali wasn't around I could have seen Liston being dominant during the 60's.
Joe Frazier is the second best boxer of the 1960's. Not Floyd Patterson. I can't believe the disrespect.