Vettel hates team orders but he loves contracts .. like the one that Redbull was forced to sign that Webber should never overtake the fucking Vettel in race.. that's why Webber it was always careful to don't damage the german pussy
If there's one thing I take from this it's that Malaysia was a great track with some brilliant flowing corners that always promoted close racing. Shame it's gone now 😔🇲🇾
agreed.. this track was designed for Formula One.. its anti-monaco coz its has a lot of overtaking opportunities and a very long fast straight.. fav for every F1 driver.. so unlucky to lose Sepang because for Malaysian the ticket was so expensive.. its effect the fans attendance.. and effect Sepang management as well.. so rather then continue host not profitable F1 GP.. better they focus on more profitable race like MotoGP which the tickets always sold out.. well of coz its sold out because its cheap..
Prime example of an epic wheel-to-wheel battle.. Drivers gave respectable room to each other, not taking unnecessary risk. Almost like a beautifully choreographed dance. Love it!!
@Paddy O'Yakkin I think its better to cause a headache than be beaten. If Webber was more aggressive he would be a champion by now and that's all that matters in the record books. The record books never talk about or speculate about team dynamics. Its about winning. Webber should have been more ruthless. Danny Ric was more ruthless, same goes for Leclerc. There's no sentiment in winning. Coulthard had similar issues with Hakinne and he acknowledged it on many occasions. In the end its about winning.
@Paddy O'Yakkin Absolutely there's no gentleman's agreement in winning. We look at Senna with Prost, Lewis with Alonso, Max with Ric or even Charles with Vettel. You've gotta seize the moment. No championship came around because of being a gentleman. As you rightly said, competitive team mates makes it interesting.
@@leart78 By the way you're replying every comments in this tone, I do believe you are the thing that causing environment problems, or a simplier word, trash
Because there isn't just the drivers championship... Teams are also competing against each other and RB didn't want to lose a very easy 1-2... It makes total sense if you think just 1 inch outside the box.
@@boston0086 It wasn't unfair because if you look at it Seb was quicker earlier in the race but the team managed him and said to maintain position at that moment. Also, Seb had saved a brand new set of sorts/mediums not sure which compound from qualifying to take into the race, why should he lose that advantage? If Red Bull had allowed Seb to play his strategy earlier in the race allowing him to overtake Mark then they wouldn't have pitted him first at the final pit stops. Mark would have priority and then would have been a race to the finish.
@@dumbravaalex5938 Webber was told to reduce engine power to save his engine. Vettel could go on full power, but he was being told about webbers problem and that he should stay behind
@@carloschilipimmel4652 Championships have been decided by half of a point, so if you want to go for the title you have to collect as many points as possible.
dude webber was told to turn the engine down and that sebastian will hold position. Mark got caught off guard by seb. If u see nothing wrong with that then you're a rat
@@aguamenti2106 2011 Silverstone.. Also Webber did something even worst than multi 12... Fighting Seb at the start of brasil 2012 almost making him lose the championship he fought Vettel harder than the Ferraris and his excuse was that he was defending from a midfield car... A midfield car!!! 😂😂
That s why Vettel is a 4 time worldchampion and Webber is just a nice guy. This is racing and exactly what the fan wants and has payed a lot of money for.
Boa noite !!!! Absolutamente fantástico. Que briga maravilhosa. Vettel é fantástico !!!! Muito obrigado pelo vídeo e parabéns pelo canal..... Abraço do Brasil.....
As Seb said later on in China when asked about the incident, he was the faster driver of the two and Weber didn't deserve first place that day. I think first place should be earned, not just be given by the team. Team orders are lame when it comes to who should win, because from an individual point of view a championship contender should always focus on maximizing on points. You never know if races later in the season would give him a DNF or low points so every point counts when you can grab them! That's why even though there is a lot of crying sore loser stuff going over this incident, I am 100% backing Vettel on this. And I am an Australian who is very proud of both Mark Webber and now Daniel Ricciardo for all their achievements and skills. Senna was very aggressive in his driving and would do almost anything to get that first place and there aren't many people who doesn't like him is there? Why does Vettel get so much negativity, it really baffles me. He is such a nice guy off the track. He is just a racer when on track and surely that's what we all want from all the drivers. Not just a diplomatic PR sort of guy like Christian Horner. Hope he goes to Mercedes and we can see with equal cars, who out of Hamilton and Vettel is the better driver. I dont think there is much between them, both brilliant drivers.
Webber, a driver who got beat by a rookie Rosberg at Williams, and didn’t win a race in 2013 when Vettel won 13. I don’t get why he’s rated so highly. I think he himself even said that he was an average talent that got lifted by those around him.
Other than outqualifying Webber in Malaysia by one place. Rosberg never came close to touching Webber at Williams. Webber was fighting for a win in a midfield car against Alonso and Raikkonen around Monaco and Australia while Rosberg was where the Williams should have been - 12th place. Webber would have been champ before Vettel in 2010 if he didn't have a broken shoulder for the last few races.
Monsta Lova ok I take your point that Webber outshined a rookie Rosberg, that’s just my own ignorance. Even so, I wouldn’t exactly have said that outperforming your rookie teammate while entering your 5th year is that impressive; Hence the sideways step to red bull, not a top team when he arrived. He mentions his broken arm in his biography: ‘The fracture was so fine that it could not be treated’. Even if Vettel wasn’t his teammate in 2010, he would have still lost to alonso. His ‘beyond the grid’ interview is a really good listen- summed up He said he was an average talent that got dragged up by the people around him, which I think is fairly accurate- When he was on top of his game he could be there and win races, but when he wasn’t he was nowhere as in 2011 and 2013. Over the Course of their five years teammates, Webber Never managed to finish higher than third in the championship- which means if Vettel wasn’t At Redbull, they wouldn’t have won the championship, let alone four times in a row. I’m not saying he’s crap though, he’s just more of a Barrichello than a Schumacher.
Hamilton vs Vettel- when I see who are the rivals for the title every year, I remember why I stoped watching F! few years ago. When both retire I may try to watch again.
Regardless of his success during his career, particularly at Red Bull, Vettel put himself above the team that day, which was out of order. What did it matter if Webber just had one win in 2013? Mercedes were some way back because of fuel consumption concerns and they were leading anyway, with Webber ahead because of a better timing of his switch to dry tyres (it started wet that day). As far as the team were concerned, job done, there was no point in risking the drivers taking each other out and thus jepodise a 1-2 finish. Throwing my hat in the ring, it wasn't so much what he did here that (I won't say made me hate him as that's a bit extreme) made me reassess Vettel, but more how he handled the aftermath. He publicly apologised to Webber and the team immediately after the race, yet by the time they arrived at the next Grand Prix, in China, Vettel did a complete about face. Not only did he say that Webber didn't deserve to win that race, but he basically said that he would do it again given the chance. Many people I've spoken to feel that the season Vettel had the following year, 2014, where he underperformed relative to what the car was capable of (being beaten by Ricciardo more often than not) did him some good because it made him see that he's not bigger than the team, he's just (albeit a very successful one) a driver, the last link in the chain of structure in an F1 team
Fair point. But it was the second race of the season both of them wanted to win to get more points for the championship you couldn't predict that Seb would win another 12 Grand Prix. In my opinion, in this situation team orders shouldn't be a thing. I mean that's racing if you are faster you get past if you are not you stay behind. Anyway this is my opinion.
@@EvolSiRaw even as far back as the 1950's teams were employing similar instructions to their drivers. In other words, race each other cleanly until the opposition are far enough behind to not be a challenge to their chances. Indeed, Stirling Moss, when talking about his victory over Fangio at Aintree in 1955, mentioned that they were allowed to battle for their position until they were 30 seconds ahead. By the time they were that margin ahead, Fangio was right on Moss's tail as they crossed the line. Fangio kept his side of the bargain. Then again, the sport was a different beast then. If Vettel had passed Webber before the last round of stops, nobody from the outside would have batted an eyelid as being on the right strategy at the right time would mean that he got ahead fair and square. But putting himself above the team and worse doing an about face on terms of his attitude, it was a PR own goal for Vettel, he just came across as arrogant and felt that he should be of a devine right to win. This explains why, although I don't condone it, Vettel got booed later that season (not just at Monza, where anyone who wins there that's not in a Ferrari is public enemy number 1, but particularly Singapore). Don't get me wrong, I don't any hate on Vettel, his victory at Monza in 2008 for example for Toro Rosso was one of the greatest moments I've ever seen. But, it seems unlike other multiple world champions like Schumacher or more recently Hamilton, he's not learning from his mistakes and when it does happen it just heaps the pressure on himself all the more. Believe me, if he does get back to his best consistently, he'll truly a force to be reckoned with and truly shake off the critics who say (to this day) he's only capable of winning titles in Red Bull. But he needs to pull his socks up if he's to do that
What would have been fair is Vettel telling them to radio Webber and say I'm coming to get him so at least Webber could put the engine settings back to normal before he started overtaking him. It's like overtaking a midfield car with Webbers engine in conservation mode. They both knew and were told what settings they should be on for their cars. The amount of times Webber had to follow orders to keep Vettel safe and he can't even do it once!?
@@monstalova At Silverstone 2011, although he wanted to overtake Vettel, Webber didn't put himself in a position where they would both be at risk of taking each other out, as happened in Turkey 2010, where Vettel misjudged how far ahead of his team mate he was, collided with him and squandered a 1-2 for the team and handed it to McLaren. At Spa 2012, Vettel made the "Multi 1-2" call himself, just as Webber was on an in lap for one of his stops in the race. In Brazil, although he didn't necessarily make it easy for him, Webber did cede the position he had to Vettel and Vettel came away with his third world championship. His assertion that Webber "never helped the team," was hyperbolic and typical for a racing driver, he had a selective memory
Tero Savikuja Seb always takes control when things didn’t go well...we have seen multiple times in this season as well as past two season in Ferrari when strategists scratching their head, Seb will immediately barge in and take control by calling it in for pit stops and tyre choice, safety car window etc,... Ferrari strategists are really stupid!!! One other driver who used to do the same this season and in past multiple season... being very consistent is the one and only Kimi Raikkonen❤️
@@thelionking3321 jajajaj, claro, como el año pasado donde trompettel no para de hacer trompos y se fué contra el muro él sólo, jajajaj, ah, se me olvidaba, queda demostrado que si no tiene un monoplaza 2segundos mas rapido que el resto de monoplazas, no hace una mierda, en resumen, pilotillo del montón, tan bueno que es que todavía no le he visto ganar en monza, boooooommm
That was superb race craft from both of them, It takes a lot of trust in your teammate to fight wheel to wheel that closely. Such bullshit though that it got overshadowed 'cause of team order drama
Easy to do the big overtake when your teammate is saving tyres with a slower engine map and was assured by the team that you would being doing the same.
I hate team orders as much as anyone. That's not the real issue though. They were both told to hold station and change to lower engine settings and conserve tyres. Obviously Vettel didn't so had much more ability in his car to overtake. Webber has honoured the teams orders all the time previously to stay behind Vettel and even had to give up car parts for him in the past races. Webber was right though, Vettel can do whatever he likes cos the Red Bull bosses are too scared to tell him off or punish him. Fair thing would have been to tell Webber that Vettel is going to fight you so get ready. Didn't say anything to him until he was on his rear. Webber would have been Red Bulls first champion if he didn't have a broken shoulder for the last few races of the 2010 season. He was well ahead of him in points and most races before that happened.
Only Schumacher raced in a time that there were more then 3 drivers fighting for the drivers Championship, and he had REAL competition not by the half of the season already: OH HE IS THE WORLD CHAMPION OF F1 😒😒😒😒😒 but you don't know do you that's why your negative in a sentence with Schumacher he at least drove with the greats of the F1, and Hamilton only saw niki lauda in the pits but didnt drive with/against him. 😒😒😒😒😒
Mercedes never let this happen to its riders in 2019, it just doesn't let its riders compete against each other, in which case Bottas has always been the weak link.
When Vettel ignored the team messages everyone said that he did absolutely right. And now when Leclerc was trying the same everyone says he's being an asshole. Good job Vettel fans
You can’t expect a three time world champion to settle for 2nd by asking a guy like Mark Webber to let by🤣🤣🤣🤣 that’s why he got 4th title that year!!! Seb is a legend. Fighting off to tooth and nail❤️
Webber didnt help Vettel in Brazil 2012, even Schumacher helps Vettel inthe final laps. He deserved that from what he did in the decisive final race of 2012.
I don’t understand why this kind of order being given. Since Marks father was present, they want Mark to win to just show it off to his father 🤦♂️🤦♂️
Comments here have completely missed the point.. the team had arranged for the "multi 21" scenario.. meaning, whoever was leading at this point late in the race in a 1-2 for red bull, would assume the lead and BOTH cars would turn their engines down and cruise home in that formation (In this instance.. 2-1.. Webber being car no 2..). Its perfectly legal, and more importantly eases any mechanical burden that could jeopardise the result.. Webber had turned his engine down, but Vettel hadn't.. so he's now driving a faster car.. and more importantly, had completely ignored a team order.. work backwards from that position.. Webber was screwed, but after that it got political, and that argument is way more complicated and a whole other story.
@@bugsymalone5744 really? vettel was classic in mexico 2016. never heard such moaning and gnashing of teeth from a driver. canada 2019 came close though
barbagiggia Webber turned his engines down per team radio, He was told a 21 finish, got caught off guard by it. I’m a huge Vettel fan but even I would say it may have been a bit selfish of him.
People in the comments justifying Vettel defying team orders & passing Webber as racing have no idea of team work & putting both drivers at risk of losing the race & potentially valuable points like what happened in Turkey
There is no "team work" when you want to be a world champion. Unlike football here the picture that matters is when you hold up the trophy alone. Senna, Prost, Schumacher, Hamilton, Alonso, Vettel, they are all the same. Eager to be the best. No team bullshit.
@@sergiodifranco4380 wait wait wait you put Hamilton in a row with 3 of the F1 greatest drivers............. REALLY!!!!!!!!! There is between Hamilton and those 3 1 difference you already know who is going to win at the beginning of the year, see Hamilton last year and this year those 3 actually had more then 3 driver's competition so to put him in a row with 3 of the F1 greatest is a NO GO. CUZ THEN YOU CAN SAY HITLER WAS A GOOD LEADER TO -------->.
Good racing. Exactly what fans want to see. Manufacturers trading off fan satisfaction/enjoyment for results. This is why I don't watch f1 anymore. I'd have turned team radio off! Pit: vettel why are u not listening Vettel: eh Pit: give the place to webber Vettel: what! Pit: why you not listening,? Vettel: I'm doing 200mph and winning 😎
Dont Forget one thing : ok that’s racing but Webber respected the order and did put his engine in lower mode, so he did not expect what Vettel did and could not defend himself. We see her already the first steps of the mental weakness of Vettel.
Did you exactly HEAR what the commentator SAID:???????? Pls say your stupid and deaf and can't read. The commentator already said vettel was faster the webber in qualifying and training 😒😒😒😂😂😂😂😒😒 jesus christ pls say this guy is an idiot. 😒😒😒😒😒😒😒😒
If team orders where not allowed and there was the Fernando is faster than you precedent, why RedBull and Mercedes never ever penalized satanized like they did with Ferrari ?
Imagine if this team order nonsense was in athletics and the team management told Bolt to let Asafa stay in front because he was the fastest in qualifying for the finals. F1 is the biggest evidence of match fixing next to wrestling, however, they still remain two of my favorite forms of entertainment.
Vettel was faster, and wanted to race. However, it's a team sport, and if you are told to hold position then its only fair you HOLD YOUR FUCKING POSITION!!!!!!!!
I dont believe a win feals nice if it is because the better driver steps on the break out of pitty. (And who pits those annoying digutal stabilizers in a video like this so the F1 Logo moves all over the place? I mean i dont think the video was so unstable that u otherwise couldnt see anything)
Thinkagain6 Lewis hamilton is the only driver on the grid to win at least one race every season he’s been in. Since his debut in 2007 to today he always took step on the top of the podium. He never got a full season with no wins
@@GTChucker86 En 2007 Mclaren-mercedes fué eliminada del campeonato por el caso spygate, en el cuál los pilotos fueron excluidos,ah si, Ron Dennis fué expulsado de la escudería por boicotear a uno de sus pilotos, pero bueno, esto tampoco te interesa, tu que sabes tanto de F1😂😂😂😂😂 2009 1.Brawn-Mercedes 2.Redbull 3.McLaren Mercedes 4.Ferrari 1. J. Button 2. S.Vettel 3.R.Barrichello 4: M. Webber En 2010 1 Redbull 2 Mclaren - Mercedes 3 Ferrari 1.S. Vettel 2.F.Alonso 3.M.Webber 4.L. Hamilton 2011 Redbull McLaren Ferrari Mercedes 1.S. Vettel 2.J.Button(otro compi que le pasa por encima al fraude de la F1) 3.M. Webber 4.F. Alonso (otro año más que pringhamilton no se come una rosca, y eh, parece que su monoplaza es mejor que ferrari) 2012 Este año mercedes mas abajo, motores de combustión Redbull Ferrari McLaren Lotus Mercedes 1. S. Vettel 2. F.Alonso 3. K. Raikkonen 4. L. Hamilton 2013 Último año de mercedes con motor de combustión y primer año de pringhamilton en la escudería, no se come ni una rosca, con lo bueno que es😂😂😂😂, 1. Redbull 2. Mercedes 3. Ferrari 4. Lotus 5. McLaren 1. S.Vettel 2. F. Alonso 3. M. Webber 4. L. Hamilton 2014 Primer año de mercedes con motores híbridos, modelo F1 W05 hybrid, este año que los mercedes empezaron a correr EN OTRA LIGA Mercedes Redbull Williams Ferrari McLaren 1. L. Hamilton 2. N. Rosberg 3. D. Ricciardo 4. V. Bottas Bueno, y a partir de la implantación de los motores híbridos en mercedes y que corran sobreaventajados a los demás monoplazas, se confirma que pringhamilton, si no tiene un monoplaza más rápido que los demás no es capaz de hacer nada, lo que quiere decir, muy poco piltotaje, lo que quiere decir, pilotillo del montón, te lo dedico, DATOS, espera, que después de darte en la puta cara con datos, te atreverás a volver, demostrando a TOOOODOOOO EL MUUUNDOOO la ignorancia y el fanatismo al fraude de la F1 que le mimaron desde pequeño
if you got hired to race,,, you better follow the team's leader or else... this time it turned out well but it could have been other way around...RACING is against others vs. against your own team although you were told to hold it back..That Wettel boy would not last long if he would drive my car...in my team....
Brilliant racing as it should be if there’s anyone who hates team orders it’s vettle.
Vettel hates team orders but he loves contracts .. like the one that Redbull was forced to sign that Webber should never overtake the fucking Vettel in race.. that's why Webber it was always careful to don't damage the german pussy
@@leart78 you are a true hater. Let me guess.... YOU ARE FRENCH
Sam Norcliffe but that’s racing
*vettel
le Art where the fuck is he a pussy ?
If there's one thing I take from this it's that Malaysia was a great track with some brilliant flowing corners that always promoted close racing. Shame it's gone now 😔🇲🇾
No Malaysia
No Germany
No Turkey
No V8
Wtf is FIA doing?
Emir Zeynel im from Malaysia it’s because the ticket is way too expensive and not a lot of people here love f1 that’s why
agreed.. this track was designed for Formula One.. its anti-monaco coz its has a lot of overtaking opportunities and a very long fast straight.. fav for every F1 driver.. so unlucky to lose Sepang because for Malaysian the ticket was so expensive.. its effect the fans attendance.. and effect Sepang management as well.. so rather then continue host not profitable F1 GP.. better they focus on more profitable race like MotoGP which the tickets always sold out.. well of coz its sold out because its cheap..
@@safwansaid4596 I think Malaysian fans love MotoGP more, right?
TheFikri136 yup it’s true
Prime example of an epic wheel-to-wheel battle.. Drivers gave respectable room to each other, not taking unnecessary risk. Almost like a beautifully choreographed dance. Love it!!
Nabil Walid Its irony right. I hope it is 😂😂
Could you imagine if they all four crashed out
Yes please
1. Massa
2. Grosjean
3. Raikkonen
I would have loved it!
webber and vettel crashed in istanbul. here is the link: th-cam.com/video/HjRBAcuZwX4/w-d-xo.html
thats racing. fans wanna see stuff like this. if you always hold back you get called britney...
That's why we Seb Fans love him !!
If you hold back you are called Bottas
Nancy.. the name you're looking for is nancy
I always say: If you are faster, overtake him on track
Antonio Labaš n so he did
exactly
@Paddy O'Yakkin Webber should have read the race and turned up his engine.
@Paddy O'Yakkin I think its better to cause a headache than be beaten. If Webber was more aggressive he would be a champion by now and that's all that matters in the record books. The record books never talk about or speculate about team dynamics. Its about winning. Webber should have been more ruthless. Danny Ric was more ruthless, same goes for Leclerc. There's no sentiment in winning. Coulthard had similar issues with Hakinne and he acknowledged it on many occasions. In the end its about winning.
@Paddy O'Yakkin Absolutely there's no gentleman's agreement in winning. We look at Senna with Prost, Lewis with Alonso, Max with Ric or even Charles with Vettel. You've gotta seize the moment. No championship came around because of being a gentleman. As you rightly said, competitive team mates makes it interesting.
I love Hamilton but that "Hello Valteri, it's James"sucks
Hamilton don't is grate Is lucky
James, Its Vallteri
What the hell is hello valtteri??
oohlala it’s the lyrics from: Darude - Sandstorm. You should look it up
@@syaioo569 that's what Bottas gets to hear when he gets too fast for Hamilton and has to hold position so Hamilton can win.
This was Seb at his best. A more nimble car under his control, it was perfect.
I remeber this...vettel was a 3time world champion at the time and was told to let webber by. I mean wtf redbull. Glad vettel won that day
fidemclam yeah, but it was the beginning of the season and they didn’t want them to crash and lose a 1-2 finish
fidemclam Webber has a signed contract to don't overtake Crashttel in race that's why
@@leart78 are you just replying to every commenting voicing your hatred for vettel?
@@leart78 By the way you're replying every comments in this tone, I do believe you are the thing that causing environment problems, or a simplier word, trash
@@leart78
I wonder how you have confidential contract information between drivers and teams ..
What's the point of being a racing driver if you're not allowed to race?
Because there isn't just the drivers championship... Teams are also competing against each other and RB didn't want to lose a very easy 1-2... It makes total sense if you think just 1 inch outside the box.
whats the point of teams if there is no teamwork?
Jon Lenin but it was unfair. Webber was on hards and Seb on mediums. The strategy just suited Webber.
@@boston0086 It wasn't unfair because if you look at it Seb was quicker earlier in the race but the team managed him and said to maintain position at that moment. Also, Seb had saved a brand new set of sorts/mediums not sure which compound from qualifying to take into the race, why should he lose that advantage? If Red Bull had allowed Seb to play his strategy earlier in the race allowing him to overtake Mark then they wouldn't have pitted him first at the final pit stops. Mark would have priority and then would have been a race to the finish.
It's a team sport...
Let em race, if 2 F1 drivers can’t have a battle without crashing into each other then wtf is going on.
That's F1 politics for you and it's only gotten worse.
This was the 2nd race of the season too. There was no need for team orders
There was no rivalry. Vettel won 4 titles and 38 races. Webber won 8 races.
You saw here that vettel was faster than webber
@@dumbravaalex5938 Webber was told to reduce engine power to save his engine. Vettel could go on full power, but he was being told about webbers problem and that he should stay behind
@@carloschilipimmel4652 Championships have been decided by half of a point, so if you want to go for the title you have to collect as many points as possible.
But no was 9?
Except Webber was leading the title race all year in 2010, then the team sacrificed him with a shitty strategy to make Vettel WC.
TH-cam recommendations have brought us together!
Not all of us understand motorsport either
Thats why seb is a 4 time world champion and webber is a 0 time world champion
dude webber was told to turn the engine down and that sebastian will hold position. Mark got caught off guard by seb. If u see nothing wrong with that then you're a rat
Agua Menti vettel is a racer im no rat for thinking the quicker driver should win but okay
@@aguamenti2106 if you see nothing wrong with multi 12 then you shouldn't complain about multi 21
@@j3d89 I don't remember an incident about multi 12 in red bull or did you just come up with it?
@@aguamenti2106 2011 Silverstone.. Also Webber did something even worst than multi 12... Fighting Seb at the start of brasil 2012 almost making him lose the championship he fought Vettel harder than the Ferraris and his excuse was that he was defending from a midfield car... A midfield car!!! 😂😂
That s why Vettel is a 4 time worldchampion and Webber is just a nice guy. This is racing and exactly what the fan wants and has payed a lot of money for.
Remember watching this live,ha it was savage 👌🏻👌🏻
history repeats itself
Boa noite !!!!
Absolutamente fantástico.
Que briga maravilhosa.
Vettel é fantástico !!!!
Muito obrigado pelo vídeo e parabéns pelo canal.....
Abraço do Brasil.....
As Seb said later on in China when asked about the incident, he was the faster driver of the two and Weber didn't deserve first place that day. I think first place should be earned, not just be given by the team. Team orders are lame when it comes to who should win, because from an individual point of view a championship contender should always focus on maximizing on points. You never know if races later in the season would give him a DNF or low points so every point counts when you can grab them! That's why even though there is a lot of crying sore loser stuff going over this incident, I am 100% backing Vettel on this. And I am an Australian who is very proud of both Mark Webber and now Daniel Ricciardo for all their achievements and skills. Senna was very aggressive in his driving and would do almost anything to get that first place and there aren't many people who doesn't like him is there? Why does Vettel get so much negativity, it really baffles me. He is such a nice guy off the track. He is just a racer when on track and surely that's what we all want from all the drivers. Not just a diplomatic PR sort of guy like Christian Horner. Hope he goes to Mercedes and we can see with equal cars, who out of Hamilton and Vettel is the better driver. I dont think there is much between them, both brilliant drivers.
If you know you’re faster, then don’t let them slow you down
Ok, make your personally team
Tell me the reason why RB was right to give them the team order... It was the se and race of the year!!!
Watched this live. Loved it.
Webber, a driver who got beat by a rookie Rosberg at Williams, and didn’t win a race in 2013 when Vettel won 13. I don’t get why he’s rated so highly. I think he himself even said that he was an average talent that got lifted by those around him.
webber beat rosberg in williams
Other than outqualifying Webber in Malaysia by one place. Rosberg never came close to touching Webber at Williams. Webber was fighting for a win in a midfield car against Alonso and Raikkonen around Monaco and Australia while Rosberg was where the Williams should have been - 12th place. Webber would have been champ before Vettel in 2010 if he didn't have a broken shoulder for the last few races.
Monsta Lova ok I take your point that Webber outshined a rookie Rosberg, that’s just my own ignorance. Even so, I wouldn’t exactly have said that outperforming your rookie teammate while entering your 5th year is that impressive; Hence the sideways step to red bull, not a top team when he arrived. He mentions his broken arm in his biography: ‘The fracture was so fine that it could not be treated’. Even if Vettel wasn’t his teammate in 2010, he would have still lost to alonso. His ‘beyond the grid’ interview is a really good listen- summed up He said he was an average talent that got dragged up by the people around him, which I think is fairly accurate- When he was on top of his game he could be there and win races, but when he wasn’t he was nowhere as in 2011 and 2013. Over the Course of their five years teammates, Webber Never managed to finish higher than third in the championship- which means if Vettel wasn’t At Redbull, they wouldn’t have won the championship, let alone four times in a row. I’m not saying he’s crap though, he’s just more of a Barrichello than a Schumacher.
He beat Rosberg at Williams but got unlucky to have a more talented teammate when he got the right car.
Hamilton vs Vettel- when I see who are the rivals for the title every year, I remember why I stoped watching F! few years ago. When both retire I may try to watch again.
Regardless of his success during his career, particularly at Red Bull, Vettel put himself above the team that day, which was out of order. What did it matter if Webber just had one win in 2013? Mercedes were some way back because of fuel consumption concerns and they were leading anyway, with Webber ahead because of a better timing of his switch to dry tyres (it started wet that day). As far as the team were concerned, job done, there was no point in risking the drivers taking each other out and thus jepodise a 1-2 finish.
Throwing my hat in the ring, it wasn't so much what he did here that (I won't say made me hate him as that's a bit extreme) made me reassess Vettel, but more how he handled the aftermath. He publicly apologised to Webber and the team immediately after the race, yet by the time they arrived at the next Grand Prix, in China, Vettel did a complete about face. Not only did he say that Webber didn't deserve to win that race, but he basically said that he would do it again given the chance. Many people I've spoken to feel that the season Vettel had the following year, 2014, where he underperformed relative to what the car was capable of (being beaten by Ricciardo more often than not) did him some good because it made him see that he's not bigger than the team, he's just (albeit a very successful one) a driver, the last link in the chain of structure in an F1 team
Fair point. But it was the second race of the season both of them wanted to win to get more points for the championship you couldn't predict that Seb would win another 12 Grand Prix. In my opinion, in this situation team orders shouldn't be a thing. I mean that's racing if you are faster you get past if you are not you stay behind. Anyway this is my opinion.
@@EvolSiRaw even as far back as the 1950's teams were employing similar instructions to their drivers. In other words, race each other cleanly until the opposition are far enough behind to not be a challenge to their chances. Indeed, Stirling Moss, when talking about his victory over Fangio at Aintree in 1955, mentioned that they were allowed to battle for their position until they were 30 seconds ahead. By the time they were that margin ahead, Fangio was right on Moss's tail as they crossed the line. Fangio kept his side of the bargain. Then again, the sport was a different beast then.
If Vettel had passed Webber before the last round of stops, nobody from the outside would have batted an eyelid as being on the right strategy at the right time would mean that he got ahead fair and square. But putting himself above the team and worse doing an about face on terms of his attitude, it was a PR own goal for Vettel, he just came across as arrogant and felt that he should be of a devine right to win. This explains why, although I don't condone it, Vettel got booed later that season (not just at Monza, where anyone who wins there that's not in a Ferrari is public enemy number 1, but particularly Singapore).
Don't get me wrong, I don't any hate on Vettel, his victory at Monza in 2008 for example for Toro Rosso was one of the greatest moments I've ever seen. But, it seems unlike other multiple world champions like Schumacher or more recently Hamilton, he's not learning from his mistakes and when it does happen it just heaps the pressure on himself all the more. Believe me, if he does get back to his best consistently, he'll truly a force to be reckoned with and truly shake off the critics who say (to this day) he's only capable of winning titles in Red Bull. But he needs to pull his socks up if he's to do that
What would have been fair is Vettel telling them to radio Webber and say I'm coming to get him so at least Webber could put the engine settings back to normal before he started overtaking him. It's like overtaking a midfield car with Webbers engine in conservation mode. They both knew and were told what settings they should be on for their cars. The amount of times Webber had to follow orders to keep Vettel safe and he can't even do it once!?
i guess Vettel would not losing sleep till now even Danny Ric beaten him🤣🤣
@@monstalova At Silverstone 2011, although he wanted to overtake Vettel, Webber didn't put himself in a position where they would both be at risk of taking each other out, as happened in Turkey 2010, where Vettel misjudged how far ahead of his team mate he was, collided with him and squandered a 1-2 for the team and handed it to McLaren. At Spa 2012, Vettel made the "Multi 1-2" call himself, just as Webber was on an in lap for one of his stops in the race. In Brazil, although he didn't necessarily make it easy for him, Webber did cede the position he had to Vettel and Vettel came away with his third world championship. His assertion that Webber "never helped the team," was hyperbolic and typical for a racing driver, he had a selective memory
That is so weird to see a driver being in charge of the team. Is it first time in F1 history or maybe Jack Brabham when he was the owner of his team?
Yep ... Vettel can't work in a team ... tennis would be a better sport for him
@@MrSimonw58 nah! He would prefer ping pong
Tero Savikuja Seb always takes control when things didn’t go well...we have seen multiple times in this season as well as past two season in Ferrari when strategists scratching their head, Seb will immediately barge in and take control by calling it in for pit stops and tyre choice, safety car window etc,... Ferrari strategists are really stupid!!! One other driver who used to do the same this season and in past multiple season... being very consistent is the one and only Kimi Raikkonen❤️
The LION King Consistent in being shit.
@@thelionking3321 jajajaj, claro, como el año pasado donde trompettel no para de hacer trompos y se fué contra el muro él sólo, jajajaj, ah, se me olvidaba, queda demostrado que si no tiene un monoplaza 2segundos mas rapido que el resto de monoplazas, no hace una mierda, en resumen, pilotillo del montón, tan bueno que es que todavía no le he visto ganar en monza, boooooommm
Pole positon should not give you 1st. You still need to defend your spot till the end, thats racing.
That was superb race craft from both of them, It takes a lot of trust in your teammate to fight wheel to wheel that closely. Such bullshit though that it got overshadowed 'cause of team order drama
Easy to do the big overtake when your teammate is saving tyres with a slower engine map and was assured by the team that you would being doing the same.
Well that's his problem. Webber wasn't a team player either.
I hate team orders as much as anyone. That's not the real issue though. They were both told to hold station and change to lower engine settings and conserve tyres. Obviously Vettel didn't so had much more ability in his car to overtake. Webber has honoured the teams orders all the time previously to stay behind Vettel and even had to give up car parts for him in the past races. Webber was right though, Vettel can do whatever he likes cos the Red Bull bosses are too scared to tell him off or punish him. Fair thing would have been to tell Webber that Vettel is going to fight you so get ready. Didn't say anything to him until he was on his rear. Webber would have been Red Bulls first champion if he didn't have a broken shoulder for the last few races of the 2010 season. He was well ahead of him in points and most races before that happened.
Me-an intellectual: “Grazie, ragazzi” vs. The Canberra Milk Kid
Great cameraman. Why do the new camera dudes zoom in so far? I like to see a lot of the track and one long continuous shot like in this race
Sebastian was on a diff strategy and on faster tyres. If Seb was held back by Webber then who knows eventually the Merc would have got him.
That was some real racing! The faster and better driver won that day.
Vettel's idol is Shumacher says it all
Only Schumacher raced in a time that there were more then 3 drivers fighting for the drivers Championship, and he had REAL competition not by the half of the season already: OH HE IS THE WORLD CHAMPION OF F1 😒😒😒😒😒 but you don't know do you that's why your negative in a sentence with Schumacher he at least drove with the greats of the F1, and Hamilton only saw niki lauda in the pits but didnt drive with/against him. 😒😒😒😒😒
I hate team orders! Just let the drivers racing.
1:21 - Does anyone see a similarity with Schumacher-Barrichello at the 2010 Hungarian GP?
Mercedes never let this happen to its riders in 2019, it just doesn't let its riders compete against each other, in which case Bottas has always been the weak link.
Great track. Please bring Malaysia gp back
Rindu f1 kat sepang'.. Bila lah nak ada pulak.... Hmm
That’s racing. Team order sucks and if you’re faster just get pass your teammate
Looks like the distance to Webber at the finish line looked big enough to say that Vettel's overtake was justified...
I know it’s not right to ignore orders from your bosses but Sebastian vettel didn’t become a 4x world champion from driving like a Christian.
Horner
Sepang i miss you
I hate team orders, just let them race alright
When Vettel ignored the team messages everyone said that he did absolutely right. And now when Leclerc was trying the same everyone says he's being an asshole. Good job Vettel fans
I think in this time they was very fair fighting.
Compared with the today "I will Crash into you and/or will force you from the track".
If there is such a huge controversy over this incident then F1 should not allow teammates and independent teams only...
You can’t expect a three time world champion to settle for 2nd by asking a guy like Mark Webber to let by🤣🤣🤣🤣 that’s why he got 4th title that year!!! Seb is a legend. Fighting off to tooth and nail❤️
If it wasn't for multi21 people would remember this battle like the one between Arnaux and Villeneuve.
Vettel did the right thing
Webber didnt help Vettel in Brazil 2012, even Schumacher helps Vettel inthe final laps. He deserved that from what he did in the decisive final race of 2012.
Webber also ignored team orders at Silverstone 2011.
There must have been something with the radio back then, because it really used to make me hate Vettel. Now I like him, even after Baku 2017.
I don’t understand why this kind of order being given. Since Marks father was present, they want Mark to win to just show it off to his father 🤦♂️🤦♂️
That V8 sound! 😁
This is how it should be Every Man for Himself at the race track
Comments here have completely missed the point.. the team had arranged for the "multi 21" scenario.. meaning, whoever was leading at this point late in the race in a 1-2 for red bull, would assume the lead and BOTH cars would turn their engines down and cruise home in that formation (In this instance.. 2-1.. Webber being car no 2..). Its perfectly legal, and more importantly eases any mechanical burden that could jeopardise the result.. Webber had turned his engine down, but Vettel hadn't.. so he's now driving a faster car.. and more importantly, had completely ignored a team order.. work backwards from that position.. Webber was screwed, but after that it got political, and that argument is way more complicated and a whole other story.
That’s what is racing!!!
He wants to do the same on Leclerc
But he can t...😂😂😂😂
Lecrash whines when Vettel is infront of him
nah, leclerc has dominated him unlike webber. team alpha is charles now
@@TheTororist dominated maybe, but Vettel is back on top as expected. Charles is still way better in whining though
@@bugsymalone5744 really? vettel was classic in mexico 2016. never heard such moaning and gnashing of teeth from a driver. canada 2019 came close though
Vettel was faster, period. Webber should just quit cry and improve his driving instead.
barbagiggia Webber turned his engines down per team radio, He was told a 21 finish, got caught off guard by it. I’m a huge Vettel fan but even I would say it may have been a bit selfish of him.
@@joesalin8826 He could have overtook him after dude, why he didnt? Cause he was slower than Seb, period.
Where was this from, wanna watch the entire thing
aldwinR Malaysia 2013
It's from the 2013 season review.
@@F0ur_Tw3nty Made by who, if you don't mind?
@@paulo_f1 it's the official review by BBC
Try f1fullraces.com
Don't get it til today, whats wrong with overtaking your slower teammate? Was a brilliant overtaking manouver.
This is what racing should be like! Not manuscriptet from start.
He just did what a racer should do : racing
People in the comments justifying Vettel defying team orders & passing Webber as racing have no idea of team work & putting both drivers at risk of losing the race & potentially valuable points like what happened in Turkey
Where Vettel also should have been let by Mark... As Mark never been a tier 1 driver.
There is no "team work" when you want to be a world champion. Unlike football here the picture that matters is when you hold up the trophy alone.
Senna, Prost, Schumacher, Hamilton, Alonso, Vettel, they are all the same. Eager to be the best. No team bullshit.
This got some history, Webber has been playing "great" team game in previous races like 2012 brazil. What goes around comes around.
Yooz2714 Go away you're a big baby its called driving at the absolute limit
@@sergiodifranco4380 wait wait wait you put Hamilton in a row with 3 of the F1 greatest drivers.............
REALLY!!!!!!!!!
There is between Hamilton and those 3 1 difference you already know who is going to win at the beginning of the year, see Hamilton last year and this year those 3 actually had more then 3 driver's competition so to put him in a row with 3 of the F1 greatest is a NO GO. CUZ THEN YOU CAN SAY HITLER WAS A GOOD LEADER TO -------->.
When your opposition doesnt give tough competition.
You compete within......
That was a good race. Webber was too slow for Vettel. He did have to overtake him. But He didn't have to winge about it "I was scared...".
Good racing. Exactly what fans want to see. Manufacturers trading off fan satisfaction/enjoyment for results. This is why I don't watch f1 anymore. I'd have turned team radio off!
Pit: vettel why are u not listening
Vettel: eh
Pit: give the place to webber
Vettel: what!
Pit: why you not listening,?
Vettel: I'm doing 200mph and winning 😎
Dont Forget one thing : ok that’s racing but Webber respected the order and did put his engine in lower mode, so he did not expect what Vettel did and could not defend himself.
We see her already the first steps of the mental weakness of Vettel.
Did you exactly HEAR what the commentator SAID:???????? Pls say your stupid and deaf and can't read. The commentator already said vettel was faster the webber in qualifying and training 😒😒😒😂😂😂😂😒😒 jesus christ pls say this guy is an idiot. 😒😒😒😒😒😒😒😒
Webber ignored team order at Silverstone 2011 and blocked Vettel at the start of Brazil 2012.
okayyy lewis fans🤣🤣
Феттель - красавчик, всё правильно сделал! В красивой борьбе. А вот Росберг зачем то тогда утёрся. Ну ладно хоть в 2016 взял свое...
"Multi 21 Seb, yeah, multi 21".
Perfect rally naseer qatar Dakar rally in Bangkok to London
Back when Vettel could drive. Nowadays idk WTH going on behind the scenes
I feel that the car itself is a big factor
As an Australian I'm siding with Vettel. He was clearly faster than Webber and deserved the win.
lucky he didnt crash and turn their 1-2 into a double dnf. I want to see them race but that was a little unnecessary
If team orders where not allowed and there was the Fernando is faster than you precedent, why RedBull and Mercedes never ever penalized satanized like they did with Ferrari ?
Imagine if this team order nonsense was in athletics and the team management told Bolt to let Asafa stay in front because he was the fastest in qualifying for the finals. F1 is the biggest evidence of match fixing next to wrestling, however, they still remain two of my favorite forms of entertainment.
one of the best fights ever
Best of 1-2, it’s like watching Mercedes vs Ferrari lol.
The greatest in the world, I love sebastian
Vettel was faster, and wanted to race.
However, it's a team sport, and if you are told to hold position then its only fair you HOLD YOUR FUCKING POSITION!!!!!!!!
The team asking to a four times wc don't push
Great
Sebastian it's James...
I dont believe a win feals nice if it is because the better driver steps on the break out of pitty.
(And who pits those annoying digutal stabilizers in a video like this so the F1 Logo moves all over the place? I mean i dont think the video was so unstable that u otherwise couldnt see anything)
Less than 12 months remaining at Ferrari Seb 😁 wanna be in a Williams?
Who win?
Настоящие мужики как быки
If you no longer go for a gap that exists your no longer a racing driver
Феттель отомстил Уэбберу за Бразилию-2012
Where was lewis? Why didnt he win this race? I thought Lewis was the best?
Thinkagain6 Lewis hamilton is the only driver on the grid to win at least one race every season he’s been in. Since his debut in 2007 to today he always took step on the top of the podium. He never got a full season with no wins
@@GTChucker86 whit the best car
Diegus Max nope he didnt have the best car in 2009 to 2013. 2012 maybe but Vettel still won
@@GTChucker86 En 2007 Mclaren-mercedes fué eliminada del campeonato por el caso spygate, en el cuál los pilotos fueron excluidos,ah si, Ron Dennis fué expulsado de la escudería por boicotear a uno de sus pilotos, pero bueno, esto tampoco te interesa, tu que sabes tanto de F1😂😂😂😂😂
2009
1.Brawn-Mercedes
2.Redbull
3.McLaren Mercedes
4.Ferrari
1. J. Button
2. S.Vettel
3.R.Barrichello
4: M. Webber
En 2010
1 Redbull
2 Mclaren - Mercedes
3 Ferrari
1.S. Vettel
2.F.Alonso
3.M.Webber
4.L. Hamilton
2011
Redbull
McLaren
Ferrari
Mercedes
1.S. Vettel
2.J.Button(otro compi que le pasa por encima al fraude de la F1)
3.M. Webber
4.F. Alonso
(otro año más que pringhamilton no se come una rosca, y eh, parece que su monoplaza es mejor que ferrari)
2012
Este año mercedes mas abajo, motores de combustión
Redbull
Ferrari
McLaren
Lotus
Mercedes
1. S. Vettel
2. F.Alonso
3. K. Raikkonen
4. L. Hamilton
2013
Último año de mercedes con motor de combustión y primer año de pringhamilton en la escudería, no se come ni una rosca, con lo bueno que es😂😂😂😂,
1. Redbull
2. Mercedes
3. Ferrari
4. Lotus
5. McLaren
1. S.Vettel
2. F. Alonso
3. M. Webber
4. L. Hamilton
2014
Primer año de mercedes con motores híbridos, modelo F1 W05 hybrid, este año que los mercedes empezaron a correr EN OTRA LIGA
Mercedes
Redbull
Williams
Ferrari
McLaren
1. L. Hamilton
2. N. Rosberg
3. D. Ricciardo
4. V. Bottas
Bueno, y a partir de la implantación de los motores híbridos en mercedes y que corran sobreaventajados a los demás monoplazas, se confirma que pringhamilton, si no tiene un monoplaza más rápido que los demás no es capaz de hacer nada, lo que quiere decir, muy poco piltotaje, lo que quiere decir, pilotillo del montón, te lo dedico, DATOS, espera, que después de darte en la puta cara con datos, te atreverás a volver, demostrando a TOOOODOOOO EL MUUUNDOOO la ignorancia y el fanatismo al fraude de la F1 que le mimaron desde pequeño
@@GTChucker86 in your face
What goes around comes around....
if you got hired to race,,, you better follow the team's leader or else... this time it turned out well but it could have been other way around...RACING is against others vs. against your own team although you were told to hold it back..That Wettel boy would not last long if he would drive my car...in my team....
Vettel 👍🔥🇩🇪💯👊
Why in tf would there be something like one driver is at the lead and the second driver should hold position??
I mean cmon it's racing
Looks like Max verstappen and daniel Riccardo
Mark its James
Vettel rules: fuck team order if you are more fast than your teammate
Sepang❤❤
I like Vettel, but double standards are problem. He was better driver than Webber, no doubt about it. Real problems for him came with Ricciardo,
Or Alonso princess when he was teamed with Hamilton. In the end, Red Bull didnt had its own James to make things clear
To be fair Vettel problems were more from his car than Ricciardo.
This is why Vettel has 4 Hamilton has 6 Rosberg has 1 and Webber has None...
Seb was only racing, what's the problem?