This is an example of what draws me to certain TH-cam channels. Passion about the topic. It was fun to watch and listen to two people who have a passion for wargaming because it is FUN! I loved the games in the list, some I own, some on my wish list and a few I had not heard of before. This was an exceptional video to watch. Thanks.
Ha! That's awesome. Quebec just came in to me from Columbia and it's on my table being filmed now. It's getting a positive review so he is definitely right about it being good. Good list and nice show.
Super great video. Finally a top 10 list that is really really worthwhile. As a solo player I am a huge John Butterfield fan. Enemy Action is still one step above DDay at Omaha Beach and even DDay at Tarawa. These days I try to game a particular battle or operation with different scales and that is so much extra fun. One example: Enemy Action: Ardennes - Race for Bastogne - Panzer scenario in the Ardennes 44 - Advanced Squad Leader Peiper - Up Front campaign of 10 scenarios around Bastogne (you can find many campaigns of this on Up Front BGG pages). So you go from Regimental scale (EEA) towards 500 meter/hex Cie levels (GTS), Platoon level (Panzer), Squad Level (ASL) and then Up Front team level for just one tiny part of your “map”. And as an extra fun level add in a very narrow Bolt Action miniature game in between. Just to use my dozens of 3D printed soldiers and tanks 😀 Just 2 more games I would put into the list: Atlantic Chase (solo that certainly would replace the old Bismarck) and the Grand Tactical Combat Series. But you really can’t go wrong with that list. Great video
Is Enemy Action your #1 solo? This would be a 100% solo genre for me. I tried to Pavlov’s house and got bored after about three plays. I didn’t think much of that at all. But I am interested in the subject for sure. Thanks for your input.
@ Yes EA: A is my number one solo game. It allows to play the Germans and US with 2 different AI and map. DDay at Omaha and DDay at Tarawa are also very close to this, but EA:A still takes it one step further.
Nate, I was in 15 in 1978 when I got Squad Leader and it consumed me. I can avow that Cross of Iron is a must get. If you're happy on the Eastern front you never need anything more. Crescendo of doom is fun for early war stuff, and Anvil of Victory completed the set for me. By the time ASL came out I was in college and that meant D&D. My current obsession is Musket Battles (formerly Pub Battles) by Command Post Games. As the name implies, it's a black powder era, command focused, 2player, Kriegspiel influenced, block game.
You posted this while watching I am was watching the Albuera video. Lunch is over so back to work. i will watch tonight. I am currently watching Legendary tactics old play through of Panzer Blitz so this is well timed.
Thanks Zilla and @Legendarytactics ! Enjoyable list and interchange although I think I only own/played SL. I have creating my wish list now, also. Definitely recommend CoI as an improvement to SL. But really switched to ASL and lost so many fun hours (mostly solitaire) on that game. AND I grew up playing D&D starting at white box
All of the "Leader" air games are lots of fun! And some of the scenario's are really difficult. The fight against China scenario in Hornet Leader is tough!
_Up Front_ is one of the best and most innovative designs in the history of games. It doesn't seem like it should work, but it works and elegantly. The biggest challenge is teaching the Relative Range system. It really should be re-published. Squad Leader hits a sweet spot (and I love ASL, Cross of Iron, Crescendo of Dooom, GI Anvil of Victory). Just enough complexity and the right amount of abstraction with a revolutionary new system. And enough chrome even in original SL - sewer movement! Thanks for the fun video guys! I am subscribing to Legendary Tactics!
I've got a game of Up Front set up for Saturday, really looking forward to it. And I'll pay special attention to the Relative Range thing, thanks! And you'll enjoy Legendary Tactics, they are awesome. :)
Still have my copies of 'Up Front', 'Ambush', 'Skies Above the Reich', 'D Day at Omaha Beach' and 'Thunderbolt Apache Leader' - and at least half a dozen of DVG Leader series. What I don't have is enough hours in the day! Happy New Year from the South Pacific!
Enjoyable few minutes. Some interesting games. Ambush is on my want list, while Omaha Beach makes me wonder if I am bright enough to ever beat it, great game though. Thank You.
Great stuff, I grew on Bismarck and played plenty of Up Front back in the day. Now I play a ton of ASL (Advanced Squad Leader fixes Squad Leader, which was flawed, it is way better, the best game system I have played), and do a newsletter, Dispatches from the Bunker for it. Also a big Russian Front fan, I think Russia Besieged is the best, operational game on the entire Eastern Front. These games are all well worth your time. Keep rolling those dice! 🎲🎲 Vic Provost.
I should probably dig out Up Front from my packed-away-for-25-years pile and see how it stacks up today. Ambush is in there as well. I tried it back in the late 80s but the number of die rolls turned me off. I think Combat! does a better job of handling solo. (not that mine has made it to the table yet ...) Played a lot of Squad Leader/Cross of Iron (you really need Cross of Iron if you want to include vehicles.) Only ever played Crescendo of Doom once or twice in the mid-80s. G.I.Anvil of Victory is still unpunched. I bought it in 1982 but we held off, waiting for the promised binder of rules that was going to solve the conflicting rules you mentioned. What came out was ASL, which I definitely could not afford back then - really soured me on Avalon-Hill.
Ambush is amazing! NATO is right, the game is in the campaign. When I was young, a good friend of mine and myself split the squad and played ALL of the missions, some repeated times! Ambush!, Move Out!, Purple Heart, Silver Star, and then on over to the Pacific with Battle Hymn, and finally Leatherneck.
As an old school gamer I really like your top 3 (though I prefer ASL). Question about Churchill: Does it have that everyone can lose element like John Company or Republic of Rome? Where it’s competitive but you still need to work together for a common goal?
I've not played yet so can't comment. I'm going to make it a game to play at the next convention I go to, there are always games to jump into. I'd just need to find a beginner friendly one. :)
"Cross of Iron" is required if you love Squad Leader. Seriously: it fixes the vehicle rules, really adds zero complexity at all. The other expansions just add units/scenarios, not rules so much. Quite serious about "Cross of Iron" - if you really love the original SL, like I do, check it out.
Noble knight is in Madison. I've been there. Columbia east front is the best combination of playability and realism I've played. I lot of games are fascinating but unplayable. I played an operation bagfation game that took 3 days to set up. And that was unpunched.
@@ZillaBlitz Yeah, I'd say Ambush is closer to Combat! in terms of overall feel, but the focus on a single solider and the attachment you can feel is definitely there in Warfighter too. I know I've been nudging you to play Combat! for a while and Vol. 2 pretty much turns it into a modern version of Ambush - the amount of campaign stuff included is genuinely impressive.
Ah, Squad Leader! If they had just stopped updating the rules after Cross of Iron, and just added the new units and scenarios from Crescendo of Doom and GI: Anvil of Victory.... Because it all became too much. Never had the interest or resources to chuck it all and begin anew with ASL. Ah well.
yes, you need Cross of Iron at the very least for the better vehicle rules. Of course as you add more expansions, it gets more fiddly, but if you stay on basic SL, it's not so bad.
@@ZillaBlitz Right, also by pick #7 or so, you definitely get a feel for what motivates the reviewer, so seeing a cut of 10 or so "top" whatevers provides enough context and background.
Yes, it's always interesting to me to see how different people like different things in our hobby. I particularly like Nate's exploration of older games, which often get ignored. :)
Amazing how both our houses are designed exactly the same way, with the pianos in the same spot. And we both put our webcams in the same location in the house too. Wild stuff.
It feels like this was a very specific list of grognard historical wargames. I might call it "Avalon Hill style" historical wargames. How about Air War or Foxbat and Phantom? Harpoon? How about Starfleet Battles? Battletech? OGRE? Dragon Pass? Twilight Imperium? Starship Troopers? In high school, a friend gave me a couple of Avalon Hill games, Luftwaffe and Anzio. He had never played them because he couldn't figure them out. Loved one. Hated the other. If you've played both, you know which is which. The first game I ever bought was SPI's Starforce Alpha Centauri by cutting a coupon out of a Galaxy magazine and mailing off for it because there was no such thing as a game store back then, at least not in Oklahoma. I didn't see my first game store store until I joined the Navy and went to San Diego. Thanks to my game shops in California and later Hawaii, I kept sane through my navy days. Most of my monthly pay went to buying the latest games, including almost everything by SPI or Avalon Hill.
I just picked up Anzio used at the latest SDHistCon. :) I enjoy talking with people about their favorite games because I think you can ask five people and get five totally different lists, depending on what they've played and what they like to play. With so many games out there now, we're very much in a time where overlap gets less and less. :)
I have skies above britain and I must say it is a masterpiece. Jeremy White has a knack for game designs. No list is complete without d day at omaha beach. I don't like modern warfare themes, I wanted to ask, what ww2 leader game would be your favourite?
This really freaked me out too. And he lives in Canada, while I'm in the US? Coincidence? I think not. Between you and me, it's the aliens, and none of us even knows it.
It's amazing isn't it! I'm pretty sure that both Nate and I had the same designer build our houses, and by chance we put our recording set ups in the same spot. :)
10 ) I do have. 9 & 8) Never Played. 7) Bismark I heve both the 1 & 2 Editions The 2nd edition what you showed add color. But the big difference is they took and added the miniature style rules from from Jutland (My first AH game) and made into WW2. They did keep the original game as well. Great Game. 6) The D-Day game with the map being very busy and all the colors it gives me a headache. My 2 Favorite D-Day games are Atlantic Wall (SPI) and Breakout Normandie (AH). 5) No Retreat. I have Russia, Italy & Africa. I really enjoyed all the 3. I do agree that I like smaller amount of counters is a plus. 4) Never Played. 2) Up Front. Great Game ASL in a card game. 1) I think SL & ASL could go as one game. If anybody wants to lean and not sure they want to go ASL, SL is they to go US, German & Russian Troops and the strucsured learning makes it feel like a starter kit. Plus if you go into ASL you get boards 1 to 4 I think. What other game do you have sewer moment? ASL has more armies, boards, historical editions and I figure I can play 1 scenairo every day for 7 years and never play the same one twice. So if I had to choose between the two it would be ASL. ASL has two problems 1) to be good you will never play another game if you play for the fun you do have enough to keep you busy. 2) The expense. I have all the AH releases. I did want to get Tarawa from MMP.
No 'PANZER GENERAL II', published by SSI (SSI originally, but later, after much modding, it morphed into Open General) ? This was a game that was good when it first came out.........but what took it over the top was when someone got hold of the source code. With that, it got modded continuously for many years after that. Because you could edit the equipment files, you could change the campaign completely. What was originally a WW2 game, became one that could run early campaigns (like the Boxer rebellion) or WW1 battles and even conflicts after WW2. Eventually one of the more active modders updated it into a game based heavily on Panzer General 2 but with a decade of improvements to the original - and called it Open General. Besides the original handful of campaigns there were dozens and dozens more created by PG2 fans, most using new equipment files, new maps, new icons. Because of the relentless drive to tweak the game to get better and better and a strong fanbase to create new stuff, it is an absolute top war game. The original PG1 came out in 1994 and the follow-up PG2 arrived in 1997, with the final iteration Open General being based on PG2.
So this popped up on my feed. Sorry to say any top ten war game list that doesn't have Risk or Axis and Allies is a good top ten. Guess I've avoided two channels now so thanks for that at least hahahah
SL was and IS Great ! ASL Is sooooooooo much better Interesting you show pics of Japanese vs Marines which is ASL Give ASL a go Its the What SL always wanted to evolve into Love your other choices too Ambush Oh what fun that is Great little list
Although this might be a list of your favorite games of all time, I don't think any effort was made to list the best war games of all time. To me, the best of all time should have popularity over many years, decent historical accuracy, play balance, with a topic of interest to a wide audience. Some of the games you list are very niche, and although I'm glad you liked them, I would avoid them just based on no interest in the subject matter such as the French and Indian War "Quebec 1759". On my list I would include, for instance, Avalon Hill's Decline and Fall of the Third Reich, and many other old SPI and AH titles. Axis and Allies is another solid choice. But Ambush is a great pick. At any rate, thanks for a good video, still enjoyable even where we disagree.
Really found this video a joke - Top 10 of all time............. some of the greatest games that received many issues coverage in numerous game magazines and you ignored them.....
Hey Zilla I have a copy of Corsair Leader Nate can have. Tell him to email me (email in description of all my vids), and I'll send it to him. It's used but good condition. Just tell him to give me a good word and we're even😁
This is an example of what draws me to certain TH-cam channels. Passion about the topic. It was fun to watch and listen to two people who have a passion for wargaming because it is FUN! I loved the games in the list, some I own, some on my wish list and a few I had not heard of before. This was an exceptional video to watch. Thanks.
Thanks so much for the kind words. This comment made my week. :)
Thanks for having me! I really enjoyed our chat!
Thanks so much for taking the time to visit! I greatly enjoyed our chat, as always. :)
Great list and wonderful show. Really great to see some of the older games in that list.
Definitely a lot of love for the classics, great to see!
As I get older, "low counter density" is becoming my favorite characteristic in a board game.
@@carlossteffens7659 Lower Counter Density is the name of my next hard-core band.
Word! 😂
I so appreciate your channel and the enjoyment it brings me. Happy New Year!
Happy New Year, thanks for the kind words!
It's always interesting to hear another wargamers all time top 10 list. Thanks for the New Years Eve video. Have a happy one!
Ha! That's awesome. Quebec just came in to me from Columbia and it's on my table being filmed now. It's getting a positive review so he is definitely right about it being good. Good list and nice show.
Big fan of both channels - thanks Zilla. Love the old classics explored and explained so generously by LT. 👏🏼
Thanks for the kind words and for stopping in. It was great having Nate visit. :)
Super great video.
Finally a top 10 list that is really really worthwhile. As a solo player I am a huge John Butterfield fan.
Enemy Action is still one step above DDay at Omaha Beach and even DDay at Tarawa.
These days I try to game a particular battle or operation with different scales and that is so much extra fun.
One example: Enemy Action: Ardennes - Race for Bastogne - Panzer scenario in the Ardennes 44 - Advanced Squad Leader Peiper - Up Front campaign of 10 scenarios around Bastogne (you can find many campaigns of this on Up Front BGG pages).
So you go from Regimental scale (EEA) towards 500 meter/hex Cie levels (GTS), Platoon level (Panzer), Squad Level (ASL) and then Up Front team level for just one tiny part of your “map”.
And as an extra fun level add in a very narrow Bolt Action miniature game in between. Just to use my dozens of 3D printed soldiers and tanks 😀
Just 2 more games I would put into the list: Atlantic Chase (solo that certainly would replace the old Bismarck) and the Grand Tactical Combat Series.
But you really can’t go wrong with that list.
Great video
Is Enemy Action your #1 solo? This would be a 100% solo genre for me. I tried to Pavlov’s house and got bored after about three plays. I didn’t think much of that at all. But I am interested in the subject for sure. Thanks for your input.
@ Yes EA: A is my number one solo game. It allows to play the Germans and US with 2 different AI and map. DDay at Omaha and DDay at Tarawa are also very close to this, but EA:A still takes it one step further.
Nate, I was in 15 in 1978 when I got Squad Leader and it consumed me. I can avow that Cross of Iron is a must get. If you're happy on the Eastern front you never need anything more. Crescendo of doom is fun for early war stuff, and Anvil of Victory completed the set for me. By the time ASL came out I was in college and that meant D&D. My current obsession is Musket Battles (formerly Pub Battles) by Command Post Games. As the name implies, it's a black powder era, command focused, 2player, Kriegspiel influenced, block game.
Really liked Bismark. I had forgotten about that until i saw this video. Thanks
That's one I know very little about, sounds like it's got a lot of fans. :)
At first I didn’t understand how both of you were in the same living room..
And sitting in the same seat.
I know, right? That totally freaked me out. I guess we must have had the same designer build our houses.
@ thank you for the vids, love your content.
Thanks very much! :)
21:58 ...and you won't leave your bed for a week.😄
Great video with LT! It’s also a good channel, their series on Avalon Hill was fantastic. Happy New Year Zilla! Thanks for all you do!
Thanks for the kind words and for stopping in. And yes, that Avalon Hill series is outstanding, among a lot of outstanding stuff on their channel. :)
This was great! You guys work well together!
Thanks! It was funny, Nate and I grabbed coffee at Circle DC and ended up talking for like 3 hours. :)
@@ZillaBlitz Circle DC was a blast! I'm looking forward to the next one in March!
Great vid Zilla, loved the mention of Storm of Steel Stuka! Happy New Year.
Up Front! is the only AH I kept. My cousins had Bismarck which we played back around 1970. My intro to wargaming.
Interesting, I've never played either, but I think I'll be playing Up Front very soon. :)
You posted this while watching I am was watching the Albuera video. Lunch is over so back to work. i will watch tonight. I am currently watching Legendary tactics old play through of Panzer Blitz so this is well timed.
Ha! I love how they do such a great job covering the older Avalon Hill games. :)
Ooooh, you did it!! I'm excited to dig into the video. Cheers!
I love LT since I am an old gamer since 1965 their channel is a lot of fun and great memories.
Their highlighting of Avalon Hill and SPI stuff is priceless! :)
Great channel! Just started watching ZB in the last few months (and his PC gaming channel as well). Got me driving a semi across the U.S. now!!!
Ha! Welcome! And I'm glad you're enjoying both channels. Happy driving and happy boardgaming! :)
Ambush and Up Front are two of the greatest games EVER! I grew up with those two and cherish every minute of playtime.
That's great to hear. I really might have to move Ambush! up on my Shelf of Shame for this year. :)
Best wishes for a ; - Better New Year !
Yes, Happy New Year!
Awesome! Your top 3 picks defined my high school years!!!!
Thanks Zilla and @Legendarytactics ! Enjoyable list and interchange although I think I only own/played SL. I have creating my wish list now, also. Definitely recommend CoI as an improvement to SL. But really switched to ASL and lost so many fun hours (mostly solitaire) on that game. AND I grew up playing D&D starting at white box
Great list! Thank you.
My pleasure thanks for stopping in. :)
All of the "Leader" air games are lots of fun! And some of the scenario's are really difficult. The fight against China scenario in Hornet Leader is tough!
Awesome video:) great chat!
Thanks, glad you liked it. :)
Nice list. Bismarck was one of the first wargames I bought growing up in Edmonton and I still have that well played copy.
I've not played this one yet, might have to see if it's available. :)
_Up Front_ is one of the best and most innovative designs in the history of games. It doesn't seem like it should work, but it works and elegantly. The biggest challenge is teaching the Relative Range system. It really should be re-published.
Squad Leader hits a sweet spot (and I love ASL, Cross of Iron, Crescendo of Dooom, GI Anvil of Victory). Just enough complexity and the right amount of abstraction with a revolutionary new system. And enough chrome even in original SL - sewer movement!
Thanks for the fun video guys! I am subscribing to Legendary Tactics!
I've got a game of Up Front set up for Saturday, really looking forward to it. And I'll pay special attention to the Relative Range thing, thanks! And you'll enjoy Legendary Tactics, they are awesome. :)
I still have my original copies of Up Front and Squad Leader. They still get the occasional run.
Great to hear them get a shout out.
Holy Smokes! What are the odds, you guys have the EXACT same home decor!!
I know, that totally blew my mind! It turns out that Nate has been living in my basement for like 20 years.
Excellent list. Please play Up Front soon.
Thanks! Sounds like Up Front really needs to go higher up on the Shelf of Opportunity. :)
Still have my copies of 'Up Front', 'Ambush', 'Skies Above the Reich', 'D Day at Omaha Beach' and 'Thunderbolt Apache Leader' - and at least half a dozen of DVG Leader series. What I don't have is enough hours in the day! Happy New Year from the South Pacific!
Looking forward to your Ambush! series of videos !
If my wife played board wargames I'd be in 700th heaven!
If my wife played board wargames with me I'd have to play pickleball with her.
@@ZillaBlitz wouldn't the pickle eventually squish?
One would think so!
Enjoyable few minutes. Some interesting games. Ambush is on my want list, while Omaha Beach makes me wonder if I am bright enough to ever beat it, great game though. Thank You.
Omaha Beach makes everyone wonder if they are bright enough to beat it. :)
Great list. I've enjoyed many of these games. By the way, Up Front is also available at the Wargame Vault.
Good to know about Up Front, I'll add a link in the description. Thanks!
Just cannot bring myself to go down the Squad Leader/ASL rabbit hole. Too many other great games out there.
It definitely can be a lifestyle game and a very slippery slope. :)
I do both ASL and operational level games and have a blast both ways!
Fun show! You're in for a treat with AMBUSH! But I could never wrap my head around UP FRONT.
Thanks! I am trying Up Front this weekend. :)
Great stuff, I grew on Bismarck and played plenty of Up Front back in the day. Now I play a ton of ASL (Advanced Squad Leader fixes Squad Leader, which was flawed, it is way better, the best game system I have played), and do a newsletter, Dispatches from the Bunker for it. Also a big Russian Front fan, I think Russia Besieged is the best, operational game on the entire Eastern Front. These games are all well worth your time. Keep rolling those dice! 🎲🎲
Vic Provost.
Up Front is still available from The Wargame Vault it is print on demand.
Thanks for the tip. I've added the link in the description. :)
I should probably dig out Up Front from my packed-away-for-25-years pile and see how it stacks up today. Ambush is in there as well. I tried it back in the late 80s but the number of die rolls turned me off. I think Combat! does a better job of handling solo. (not that mine has made it to the table yet ...) Played a lot of Squad Leader/Cross of Iron (you really need Cross of Iron if you want to include vehicles.) Only ever played Crescendo of Doom once or twice in the mid-80s. G.I.Anvil of Victory is still unpunched. I bought it in 1982 but we held off, waiting for the promised binder of rules that was going to solve the conflicting rules you mentioned. What came out was ASL, which I definitely could not afford back then - really soured me on Avalon-Hill.
Sounds like you're familiar with a lot of the games, that's great! It's looking pretty good that I'll be playing Up Front on Saturday. :)
Interesting explanation of the games.
Thanks!
Ambush is amazing! NATO is right, the game is in the campaign. When I was young, a good friend of mine and myself split the squad and played ALL of the missions, some repeated times! Ambush!, Move Out!, Purple Heart, Silver Star, and then on over to the Pacific with Battle Hymn, and finally Leatherneck.
good video..
what are the odds that you two would have the same home interior's... LOL
As an old school gamer I really like your top 3 (though I prefer ASL).
Question about Churchill: Does it have that everyone can lose element like John Company or Republic of Rome? Where it’s competitive but you still need to work together for a common goal?
I've not played yet so can't comment. I'm going to make it a game to play at the next convention I go to, there are always games to jump into. I'd just need to find a beginner friendly one. :)
Not to mess with Noble Knights business, but Up Front is available print on demand from Wargame Vault, and they have the expansions.
It's all good. I put a link to it in the description so people can find it too. :)
Zilla, I love Up Front! One of my all time favorites, and the only WWII game I really want to play. Come on over, I'll see you later!!!😁
Oh, can you teach me? That'd be fun.
@@ZillaBlitz Most definitely! I no longer have a copy, so be sure and bring yours.
I just got one during the November sale at Noble Knight, so we are good to go. Do you remember how to play or should I read the rules?
@@ZillaBlitzIt's always a smoother teach if you've glanced at the rules.
@@SoloBattles Corr get Zill / mike to film 🎥,,,,,,, it's easy to learn if you xplain the opportunities,,,, wire/smoke, what's worth holding ect 😃🥂
"Cross of Iron" is required if you love Squad Leader. Seriously: it fixes the vehicle rules, really adds zero complexity at all. The other expansions just add units/scenarios, not rules so much. Quite serious about "Cross of Iron" - if you really love the original SL, like I do, check it out.
Great advice, thanks for sharing! :)
Noble knight is in Madison. I've been there. Columbia east front is the best combination of playability and realism I've played. I lot of games are fascinating but unplayable. I played an operation bagfation game that took 3 days to set up. And that was unpunched.
You guys need to compare Ambush to Warfighter. Different mechanics but sound similar in concept.
I was recently made aware of the similarity between the Compass Game Combat! and Ambush! too. :)
@@ZillaBlitz Yeah, I'd say Ambush is closer to Combat! in terms of overall feel, but the focus on a single solider and the attachment you can feel is definitely there in Warfighter too. I know I've been nudging you to play Combat! for a while and Vol. 2 pretty much turns it into a modern version of Ambush - the amount of campaign stuff included is genuinely impressive.
Corsair Leader is my favorite, but I'm a PTO kind of guy.
Corsair Leader comes up a lot in the best Leader discussions, a solid choice I think. :)
Ah, Squad Leader! If they had just stopped updating the rules after Cross of Iron, and just added the new units and scenarios from Crescendo of Doom and GI: Anvil of Victory.... Because it all became too much. Never had the interest or resources to chuck it all and begin anew with ASL. Ah well.
Chrome plated hand grenades
yes, you need Cross of Iron at the very least for the better vehicle rules. Of course as you add more expansions, it gets more fiddly, but if you stay on basic SL, it's not so bad.
Hand up, I'm a sucker for the whole List podcasts . . . the topics could be broad or narrow, something about lists flips the switch. Thanks!
Ha! I do think it's a very efficient format for covering a lot of ground. I enjoy watching them too. :)
@@ZillaBlitz Right, also by pick #7 or so, you definitely get a feel for what motivates the reviewer, so seeing a cut of 10 or so "top" whatevers provides enough context and background.
Yes, it's always interesting to me to see how different people like different things in our hobby. I particularly like Nate's exploration of older games, which often get ignored. :)
You guys have identical backdrops.
Amazing how both our houses are designed exactly the same way, with the pianos in the same spot. And we both put our webcams in the same location in the house too. Wild stuff.
You mentioned DnD. Have a look at Free League's Dragonbane.
Oh, that looks pretty cool, yes. Thanks!
@ZillaBlitz It's from Sweden.
👋😌 🇸🇪
Subbed.
Hi Charles! Good to see you! :)
It feels like this was a very specific list of grognard historical wargames. I might call it "Avalon Hill style" historical wargames. How about Air War or Foxbat and Phantom? Harpoon? How about Starfleet Battles? Battletech? OGRE? Dragon Pass? Twilight Imperium? Starship Troopers?
In high school, a friend gave me a couple of Avalon Hill games, Luftwaffe and Anzio. He had never played them because he couldn't figure them out. Loved one. Hated the other. If you've played both, you know which is which. The first game I ever bought was SPI's Starforce Alpha Centauri by cutting a coupon out of a Galaxy magazine and mailing off for it because there was no such thing as a game store back then, at least not in Oklahoma. I didn't see my first game store store until I joined the Navy and went to San Diego. Thanks to my game shops in California and later Hawaii, I kept sane through my navy days. Most of my monthly pay went to buying the latest games, including almost everything by SPI or Avalon Hill.
I just picked up Anzio used at the latest SDHistCon. :)
I enjoy talking with people about their favorite games because I think you can ask five people and get five totally different lists, depending on what they've played and what they like to play. With so many games out there now, we're very much in a time where overlap gets less and less. :)
LT is a great channel. I could waste my whole day there.
It was great having Nate on, and agree on their great channel! :)
I have skies above britain and I must say it is a masterpiece. Jeremy White has a knack for game designs. No list is complete without d day at omaha beach. I don't like modern warfare themes, I wanted to ask, what ww2 leader game would be your favourite?
It's weird that their houses are so similar.
This really freaked me out too. And he lives in Canada, while I'm in the US? Coincidence? I think not. Between you and me, it's the aliens, and none of us even knows it.
Great video. Dive into ASL though. You won’t regret it!
You could have gotten a copy of Up Front from Wargame Vault. Newer components
Thanks, I've added the link. :)
How can you sit in the exact same spot in the same room? ,)
I think they employed Quantum Field Theory.
It's amazing isn't it! I'm pretty sure that both Nate and I had the same designer build our houses, and by chance we put our recording set ups in the same spot. :)
10 ) I do have. 9 & 8) Never Played. 7) Bismark I heve both the 1 & 2 Editions The 2nd edition what you showed add color. But the big difference is they took and added the miniature style rules from from Jutland (My first AH game) and made into WW2. They did keep the original game as well. Great Game. 6) The D-Day game with the map being very busy and all the colors it gives me a headache. My 2 Favorite D-Day games are Atlantic Wall (SPI) and Breakout Normandie (AH). 5) No Retreat. I have Russia, Italy & Africa. I really enjoyed all the 3. I do agree that I like smaller amount of counters is a plus. 4) Never Played. 2) Up Front. Great Game ASL in a card game. 1) I think SL & ASL could go as one game. If anybody wants to lean and not sure they want to go ASL, SL is they to go US, German & Russian Troops and the strucsured learning makes it feel like a starter kit. Plus if you go into ASL you get boards 1 to 4 I think. What other game do you have sewer moment? ASL has more armies, boards, historical editions and I figure I can play 1 scenairo every day for 7 years and never play the same one twice. So if I had to choose between the two it would be ASL. ASL has two problems 1) to be good you will never play another game if you play for the fun you do have enough to keep you busy. 2) The expense. I have all the AH releases. I did want to get Tarawa from MMP.
Up Front is the greatest game ever invented IMHO.
And it looks like I'll be playing soon!
Original Squad Leader!
It's going way back! :)
😂 wow great enthusiasm in this post,,,,,, 😂 yeh the Up Front campaign's are worthwhile, try using 4 decks battle's, makes the maths easier 🤔🥂👍
Thanks! That's good to hear about Up Front. :) Lots of strong recommendations on that one. :)
I believe Enthusiasm is a very large part of playing a game with an ftf opponent.
No 'PANZER GENERAL II', published by SSI (SSI originally, but later, after much modding, it morphed into Open General) ?
This was a game that was good when it first came out.........but what took it over the top was when someone got hold of the source code. With that, it got modded continuously for many years after that.
Because you could edit the equipment files, you could change the campaign completely. What was originally a WW2 game, became one that could run early campaigns (like the Boxer rebellion) or WW1 battles and even conflicts after WW2. Eventually one of the more active modders updated it into a game based heavily on Panzer General 2 but with a decade of improvements to the original - and called it Open General. Besides the original handful of campaigns there were dozens and dozens more created by PG2 fans, most using new equipment files, new maps, new icons.
Because of the relentless drive to tweak the game to get better and better and a strong fanbase to create new stuff, it is an absolute top war game. The original PG1 came out in 1994 and the follow-up PG2 arrived in 1997, with the final iteration Open General being based on PG2.
Nato's a Bismarck Dungeon Master.
Ha, for sure! :)
Sound of Drums for No Retreat Russian Front & Western Front I believe
"Wellingtons' Victory" for me but then I'm a Napoleonic nut. 😜
So this popped up on my feed. Sorry to say any top ten war game list that doesn't have Risk or Axis and Allies is a good top ten. Guess I've avoided two channels now so thanks for that at least hahahah
:)
SL was and IS Great !
ASL Is sooooooooo much better
Interesting you show pics of Japanese vs Marines which is ASL
Give ASL a go
Its the What SL always wanted to evolve into
Love your other choices too
Ambush Oh what fun that is
Great little list
Same background- lol
Zero Leader!
Is that your favorite Leader game too?
@@ZillaBlitz it is ....though I've yet to play any of the others! Enjoying your channel more and more. Good work.
Although this might be a list of your favorite games of all time, I don't think any effort was made to list the best war games of all time. To me, the best of all time should have popularity over many years, decent historical accuracy, play balance, with a topic of interest to a wide audience. Some of the games you list are very niche, and although I'm glad you liked them, I would avoid them just based on no interest in the subject matter such as the French and Indian War "Quebec 1759". On my list I would include, for instance, Avalon Hill's Decline and Fall of the Third Reich, and many other old SPI and AH titles. Axis and Allies is another solid choice. But Ambush is a great pick. At any rate, thanks for a good video, still enjoyable even where we disagree.
Thanks for your thoughts, and yes, this is most definitely Nathan's list. An objective list would be a fun project!
Solitaire should be a separate list
It's about time I updated the solo video, for sure.
This is a very personal list complete with quite a few solitaire games. I wouldn't consider this an all-time top 10 by any measure......
Really found this video a joke - Top 10 of all time............. some of the greatest games that received many issues coverage in numerous game magazines and you ignored them.....
Thanks for the input, happy new year. :)
Churchill is definitely not a wargame, but a political influence game.
Thanks!
Hey Zilla I have a copy of Corsair Leader Nate can have. Tell him to email me (email in description of all my vids), and I'll send it to him. It's used but good condition. Just tell him to give me a good word and we're even😁
Oh, that's very kind of you! I'll let him know and let him know how to reach out. :) Love your channel, by the way. :)
@ZillaBlitz thanks bud!