Here’s my Mark St. John story, it’s in six parts. (bear with me, it’s long, but it’s a trip.) 1) 1978-ish we were starting a new band with a guy named Shannon Anthony on drums. He kept saying he was going to bring down a friend who shredded a well as Eddie Van Halen “the dude can play 64th notes” he said! Well, he brought him to a practice and the dude was crouching in the corner listening, he gets up, WHILE WE’RE PLAYING, and walks over to our bass player and proceeds to turn one of his tuning pegs about a quarter inch WITHOUT EVEN ASKING as if to say “ahh, now it’s perfect.” That story got a lot of laughs over the years, THE AUDACITY! 2) About 1984 my mom, who worked at Interstate Electronics, asked me if I knew of a band named Kiss. “Haha, of course I do, mom.” She says “well, a man I work with, his son is in Kiss! I said “really, what’s his name” and she says Mark Norton. I laughed and said “I don’t think so, there isn’t a “Norton” in Kiss.” “Maybe he’s pulling your leg.” We left it at that. 3) Early 90s I was at a friends house in Garden Grove, he says “hey, Mark St. John from Kiss is coming over" and I said "OH, COOL"! I was sitting on the floor of a bedroom playing a Flying V and in walks this dude who says “hey fret-man” kind of cocky and I look at him and point, he kinda straightens up and gets ready for me to “geek out” but all I say is “whoa, do you know a guy named Shannon Anthony”? Haha, after the wind goes out of his sails he says “boy, that’s a name I haven’t heard in a long time.” I proceed to tell him the story from part 1 (the tuning incident) he laughs and says “yeah. that sounds like something I’d do.” 4) Two weeks later I’m over there again and my buddy says “Marks coming over” I say cool. We’re all talking in the kitchen and it hits me, I point at him again and ask “HEY, does your dad work at Interstate Electronics”? (see part 2) Mark just looks astounded, shakes his head and laughs and says “YES, he does.” I can tell he’s thinking “who the F is this guy.” 5) A couple days later I’m over there again and my buddy says “come on, we’re going over Mark’s.” So we go over there and we’re hanging in the garage BS-ing and telling stories, I ask him about all the Kiss stuff and what they’re like ect. Then he says “hey check this out”, he brings out this box FULL TO THE BRIM with photographs (a good size box.) The FIRST PIC he takes out, he says “here’s a weird one, this is me at the NAMM show with (someone)” (I wish I could remember who it was) he hands it to me, I look at it and I say “hmm, that’s not what’s weird about this pic, what’s weird is THAT’S FREAKIN’ ME STANDING RIGHT BEHIND YOU” ! He grabs it away, looks at it and says “OMG, that IS you. Our minds were blown, out of thousands of pics, he grabs the one that I’m in. Like our live have been paralleling each other for twenty years. 6) Sometime in the 2000s, I’m now an avid vinyl record collector. I have ads out that I buy record collections and I get a call from Garden Grove to look at a collection. You guessed it! The neighborhood looked real familiar and I already knew..kinda. The garage is open and there’s this rocker looking dude standing there, it’s Mark’s brother (his bass player.) Mark had passed away and they were selling some stuff. I bought his records and got to play his BEAUTIFUL Taylor guitar. I would have loved to buy it, but it was just too much money. Of course I told him this whole story and he was astounded, and low and behold, his dad was home, so he called him to come out and I asked him if he remembered my mom and of course, he did. Hope this wasn’t too rambling.
Great story man, especially part 5! People tell lots of "I met so and so" stories on YT but yours is top shelf. Thank you for typing a bunch to tell it.
@@ocdigger I love stories like this. The ones where it’s almost serendipitous, where things just happen; you just never know. And years later, in the retelling of the story, everything seems to fall together and click and a person like me gets to hear a little piece of unknown history that never would have (or should have) been known by anyone outside of a very small circle of people, but here I am, knowing this! And it doesn’t give me much, other than enrichment…lol…and I like it a lot thanks brother
I was very fortunate enough to have seen Mark play an entire show with KISS in Binghamton, NY. He was feeling good and it was a great show. Miss you Mark, RIP.
Hello fellow KISS fan! Before I forget I dig the hoodie or I think it's a hoodie. That album is kick ass all the way through. Their was an enormous amount of soulless 💩 released in that era but there was also some funky, dirty, sleazy, gnarly rock with LA Guns first album being some in my opinion anyway. I became a KISS fan when Asylum was the current album. My mom let me pick out a cassette tape in the like $1.99-$3.99 section at Roses store and it was Love Gun. I got home, grabbed my walkman, jumped on my bike and when the 4th track played my life was forever changed! Ace Frehley took Motley Crue down to my second favorite at the time and I had to get a guitar. Animalize was probably the 3rd KISS album I had. Around that time I got an Animalize flag in New Orleans ( I wrote RIP Eric Carr on it after seeing a MYV News clip saying he died, before the Internet days) I kept until I lost everything in a house fire January 2017. It's hard to think about everything I lost but I had the Epiphone Ace Frehley cherry sunburst, a white page poster intact 1977 KISS Marvel Super Special blood in the red ink and literally several huge plastic totes of KISS items. Over 3,000 original pressing, limited pressing you name it vinyl records. Fire got so hot it melted my mom's urn and I couldn't find a trace of it. Anyway I'm just blabbering now, I'm learning some things I didn't know about Mark. Cool video. I will hit the subscribe button. Merry Kissmas to you!!
Its funny that Paul went from "we never played live with him" to Kiss putting out an "Off the Soundboard" live album of of his shows a couple years ago.
Cool. The most comprehensive account of Mark's life is his best friend sitting in on the weekly webcast show Three Sides of the Coin for a good hour and a half. That guy also appeared to be on something and living in his parents' basement but he sure goes into depth about Mark and it's clear he's still very missed. Thank you.
Eddie Coralnick. He was exaggerating a lot. And M. Brandvold asked maliciously: "Oh, Mark St. John saved KISS?"😂. I still wonder about Eddie's reaction to the Peter Criss accusation. They asked him. But as if it was nothing special to him. He only said Mark was in "bad company".
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Mark Norton was my neighbor in garden grove ,calif.He was a great guitarist ,he was not a kiss fan,he took the gig for the money ,please let him rest in peace
I like all the detail and agree with you about Peter. I was fortunate enough to be at the Poughkeepsie show and obviously had no idea that that was pretty much the end of him in the band.
@@IanScottoRocks I AM gettin my CD copy of that show for sure! And I am NOT really a big "KISS fan" either...It's just that for one? I AM a 51 y.o. METALHEAD and the Animalize CD IS about as close as KISS went to becoming a "METAL band" IMHO, and so obviously? I think the majority of THAT, IS because of MSJ playing on thee album! (whether Paul and Gene already "wrote ALL the material", as it doesn't SOUND like ANY of thee other KISS releases....Again? I just, REALLY dig it! GOOD songs with GREAT guitar playing ALL the way through...ROCK the funk ON 🤘🔥🤘
I loved that channel, and Mark was great on Anamalize. I saw KISS at the Poughkeepsie Civic Center with Bruce and Eric during the Hot in the Shade tour. They were both awesome! Great solos by both.
Real KISS fans have never forgotten Mark St. John. He was an awesome guitarist. One of my guitar heroes. Too bad he didn't have more success. Also, Peter Criss is full of shit and Mark's family was infuriated about the bullshit in Peter's book. They should've taken Peter to court for such slanderous remarks. RIP Mark.
Says who? Like one person said that Michael Hutchence died during a sex game but his family said it was suicide. Two sides to every story and I believe Peter. Did his family swim down the toilet, retrieve and dry out the coke Peter flushed like in Trainspotting? And of course his family is going to take his side.
Mark was a friend..a brief friend but a friend of my mine..all the same..as as was 'Paulie' also known as Eric Carr...a real sweetheart and a very talented guy
Me too! It is my personal favorite of the 80s Kiss NO doubt! Animalize next to Creatures of the Night are my 80s Kiss go tos....His last days of life are very sad. Hopefully? He IS in the paradise life and shredding his azz OFF! 🤘🔥🤘
"Creatures" weren't promoted to the extend it deserved, because Mercury had just signed the band after they left Casablanca Records, and had a policy of not funding the necessary promotions of newly signed bands, irrespective of past history. That's why it initially did so poorly, since a lot of fans, (myself included), didn't even know it had come out, until coincidentally stumbling over it at the record stores, much later. Thought you'd might like to know.
Not forgotten by me and others who became a fan that little while he was their guitarist. Animalize was the first KISS cassette I bought back when released in 1984.
As much as I dislike Gene Simmons anymore even though I love the band KISS I am truly rather blown away by what I heard Gene say to and about Mark St John during that little sit-down interview in front of the drum kit he was very complimentary he was not a jerk and he spoke highly of the man and I respect Gene immensely for that.
There's also an old Swedish interview where Gene impressed me very much. They asked Bruce, the new member, Bruce gave an answer, when he finished, Gene said: Bruce was always a full member! And he really acknowledged Bruce publicly. I still remember how proud Bruce was.
Mark lived all his life at his parents house in a converted garage. I was supposed to pick him up there in January 1999 for a recording session but he was an absolute mess and his mother apologised before we left again
@@IanScottoRocks thanks a lot. Yeah Mark was a very sad personality. He for sure had some talent but didnt know how to use it. Seems getting high had a higher priority in his life.
Some-where...I thought I had 'v.h.s.'-video - of Mark's hand ✋in the (1984) "Macy's"-parade; but - here are some other rare finds... Brian James Fox's video-page: - www.youtube.com/@FrendZeee/videos 'White Tiger' 🐯- second-album's demos (un-released) - 1988: - th-cam.com/video/Jnoy3EnEzzA/w-d-xo.html . David Hassel-hoff "Is Every-body Happy?" (featuring Mark St. John) - 1989: - th-cam.com/video/Ym58BcOHBB8/w-d-xo.html . ('KISS' + 'K.I.T.T.')
Is this still in Peter's book? I would expect Mark's brother, who was with him in The Keep, to sue Peter to delete it. One explanation can be: There are other witnesses! And Mark's family doesn't want publicity about it when they threaten Peter with a lawsuit. In an interview they asked Mark's former manager Eddie Coralnick about this accusation. His reaction was very avoiding. The Keep demos are not a "disaster"! Mark and Peter wrote a fantastic song "Between the Lines". And Peter sounded very positive in the talk after their live performance. In 1990. A beautiful song. An ugly end for a good band.
Listening to Paul insult people’s appearance in his book is hilarious, especially since he spends chapters crying about his deformed ear. Hypocrite. And Vinnie may be insane, but that contract was horrific. Don’t blame him for not signing it.
I do like animalize ....when Kiss were really a heavy metal band....clearly Mark's style was typically 80s style....Paul Stanley blamed him for playing too fast and not being capable to play his solos twice in the same way Ps ...In Italy pope John Paul 1 is called "the 33 days Pope " and there always been many rumors about his death ....
Man, Paul Stanley's book is 100x worse than. Peter Criss'. Old Stanley Eisen is the biggest gaslighting narcissist in the band by a mile. The guy slags off everyone and he is his own hero. Seems like he can't be criticised for some reason. I wonder why?
Ian clearly critisized Paul's book 📖 twice. The Metallica album (probably it was a different band). And Mark's live shows. Who knows why Paul "ignored" them? Peter is different. Lydia Criss already said she could write ✍️a book to correct his book.
I heard 2 versions of the mark st john prison beating (1) he got beat because he nicked some of the other prisoners food and ate it (like chocolate) and (2) he got beat because of what peter criss alleges however if it was (2) you would think he would be segregated to begin with so they would not be able to beat him. looks like we will never find out for sure, but what is certain is the beating contributed to his death in the long run.
The Keep was basically White Tiger rebranded with Peter Criss. Mark St.John (Norton), his brother Michael & Dave Donato were the core line-up of both groups. On the contrary regarding Norton's prison assault, it's been widely reported that he was attacked because he stole food from other inmates. But perhaps he was too embarrassed to admit the truth to his then-girlfriend & the "snitching on a drug dealer" story sounded noble & justified. Unless it was his own crack-dealer he dobbed in as some type of plea-bargain to reduce his own sentencing? That is plausible. But I don't believe for a second that Peter Criss would have ever flushed an 8-ball of cocaine down the toilet. More like up his nostrils! It was such a waste of talent. Methamphetamine destroyed Mark in the end, addicts lose their souls to that junk & it was a very sad demise for him RIP. I have the Poughkeepsie 'Off The Soundboard' disc too & it should be noted that the awful 'guitar solo' section features Paul Stanley playing, not St.John. Paul blames everyone else & was just as disrespectful as Peter was in his own autobiography, especially in light of the late great Eric Carr, who Paul & Gene Simmons treated horrifically immediately before he tragically passed away RIP. That alone made me lose respect for them, however I would recommend reading Paul's 2nd book instead of his 1st as it is a much more positive experience.
The manager Larry Mazer took the responsibility for Eric's treatment. It was him who didn't want Eric's drum solos. And he feels sorry for the criticism Paul and Gene get because of his decisions regarding Eric. The interview was on Three Sides of the Coin. The story about stolen food may be true. But why such an extremely brutal attack? It would be more plausible: They found child-photos. This would explain the brutality. The truth we'll never know.
So you claim you have no respect for Peter Criss because he blames everyone but himself for everything … and you quote Paul Stanley unironically in the same video? 😂😅😂
Paul once said, he wants to make his own decisions. Then he knows his own mistakes. Bill Aucoin confirmed The Elder was a Bob Ezrin project. Bob Ezrin took the responsibility for the "failure" in an interview with Eddie Trunk. Do you blame Paul? Paul even wrote about his first marriage that he had wrong expectations. Most of all, if he was not able to realize and correct his mistakes he never would have been successful. So what's your point?
KISS became a TRIBUTE BAND after the ORIGINAL FAREWELL TOUR IN 2000 with the ORIGINAL MEMBERS...Now it's Gene,Paul & 2 wannabe posers playing dress up...
Here’s my Mark St. John story, it’s in six parts. (bear with me, it’s long, but it’s a trip.)
1) 1978-ish we were starting a new band with a guy named Shannon Anthony on drums.
He kept saying he was going to bring down a friend who shredded a well as Eddie Van Halen
“the dude can play 64th notes” he said! Well, he brought him to a practice and the dude was crouching in the corner listening, he gets up, WHILE WE’RE PLAYING, and walks over to our bass player and proceeds to turn one of his tuning pegs about a quarter inch WITHOUT EVEN ASKING
as if to say “ahh, now it’s perfect.” That story got a lot of laughs over the years, THE AUDACITY!
2) About 1984 my mom, who worked at Interstate Electronics, asked me if I knew of a band named Kiss. “Haha, of course I do, mom.” She says “well, a man I work with, his son is in Kiss!
I said “really, what’s his name” and she says Mark Norton. I laughed and said “I don’t think so,
there isn’t a “Norton” in Kiss.” “Maybe he’s pulling your leg.” We left it at that.
3) Early 90s I was at a friends house in Garden Grove, he says “hey, Mark St. John from Kiss
is coming over" and I said "OH, COOL"! I was sitting on the floor of a bedroom playing a Flying V and in walks this dude who says “hey fret-man” kind of cocky and I look at him and point, he kinda straightens up and gets ready for me to “geek out” but all I say is “whoa, do you know a guy named Shannon Anthony”? Haha, after the wind goes out of his sails he says “boy, that’s a name I haven’t heard in a long time.” I proceed to tell him the story from part 1 (the tuning incident) he laughs and says “yeah. that sounds like something I’d do.”
4) Two weeks later I’m over there again and my buddy says “Marks coming over” I say cool. We’re all talking in the kitchen and it hits me, I point at him again and ask “HEY, does your dad work at Interstate Electronics”? (see part 2) Mark just looks astounded, shakes his head and laughs and says “YES, he does.” I can tell he’s thinking “who the F is this guy.”
5) A couple days later I’m over there again and my buddy says “come on, we’re going over Mark’s.” So we go over there and we’re hanging in the garage BS-ing and telling stories, I ask him about all the Kiss stuff and what they’re like ect. Then he says “hey check this out”, he brings out this box FULL TO THE BRIM with photographs (a good size box.) The FIRST PIC he takes out, he says “here’s a weird one, this is me at the NAMM show with (someone)” (I wish I could remember who it was) he hands it to me, I look at it and I say “hmm, that’s not what’s weird about this pic, what’s weird is THAT’S FREAKIN’ ME STANDING RIGHT BEHIND YOU” ! He grabs it away, looks at it and says “OMG, that IS you. Our minds were blown, out of thousands of pics, he grabs the one that I’m in. Like our live have been paralleling each other for twenty years.
6) Sometime in the 2000s, I’m now an avid vinyl record collector. I have ads out that I buy record collections and I get a call from Garden Grove to look at a collection. You guessed it! The neighborhood looked real familiar and I already knew..kinda. The garage is open and there’s this rocker looking dude standing there, it’s Mark’s brother (his bass player.) Mark had passed away and they were selling some stuff. I bought his records and got to play his BEAUTIFUL Taylor guitar. I would have loved to buy it, but it was just too much money. Of course I told him this whole story and he was astounded, and low and behold, his dad was home, so he called him to come out and I asked him if he remembered my mom and of course, he did. Hope this wasn’t too rambling.
Awesome story. Thank you for telling it so well.
@@lundad Thanks
Great story man, especially part 5! People tell lots of "I met so and so" stories on YT but yours is top shelf. Thank you for typing a bunch to tell it.
@@pewsterbaby Thank God for "text edit." Glad you liked it !
@@ocdigger I love stories like this. The ones where it’s almost serendipitous, where things just happen; you just never know. And years later, in the retelling of the story, everything seems to fall together and click and a person like me gets to hear a little piece of unknown history that never would have (or should have) been known by anyone outside of a very small circle of people, but here I am, knowing this! And it doesn’t give me much, other than enrichment…lol…and I like it a lot thanks brother
I was very fortunate enough to have seen Mark play an entire show with KISS in Binghamton, NY.
He was feeling good and it was a great show.
Miss you Mark, RIP.
Paul also said in his book that MTV never played the "I Love it Loud" video, but I saw it quite a bit.
Paul often remembers what he wants to remember, not what is actually true.
Hello fellow KISS fan! Before I forget I dig the hoodie or I think it's a hoodie. That album is kick ass all the way through. Their was an enormous amount of soulless 💩 released in that era but there was also some funky, dirty, sleazy, gnarly rock with LA Guns first album being some in my opinion anyway. I became a KISS fan when Asylum was the current album. My mom let me pick out a cassette tape in the like $1.99-$3.99 section at Roses store and it was Love Gun. I got home, grabbed my walkman, jumped on my bike and when the 4th track played my life was forever changed! Ace Frehley took Motley Crue down to my second favorite at the time and I had to get a guitar. Animalize was probably the 3rd KISS album I had. Around that time I got an Animalize flag in New Orleans ( I wrote RIP Eric Carr on it after seeing a MYV News clip saying he died, before the Internet days) I kept until I lost everything in a house fire January 2017. It's hard to think about everything I lost but I had the Epiphone Ace Frehley cherry sunburst, a white page poster intact 1977 KISS Marvel Super Special blood in the red ink and literally several huge plastic totes of KISS items. Over 3,000 original pressing, limited pressing you name it vinyl records. Fire got so hot it melted my mom's urn and I couldn't find a trace of it. Anyway I'm just blabbering now, I'm learning some things I didn't know about Mark. Cool video. I will hit the subscribe button. Merry Kissmas to you!!
I always loved Mark's playing on "Animalize" and on the White Tiger album.
Its funny that Paul went from "we never played live with him" to Kiss putting out an "Off the Soundboard" live album of of his shows a couple years ago.
Cool. The most comprehensive account of Mark's life is his best friend sitting in on the weekly webcast show Three Sides of the Coin for a good hour and a half. That guy also appeared to be on something and living in his parents' basement but he sure goes into depth about Mark and it's clear he's still very missed. Thank you.
I actually did listen to that interview way back. Three Sides is a solid podcast.
Eddie Coralnick.
He was exaggerating a lot. And M. Brandvold asked maliciously:
"Oh, Mark St. John saved KISS?"😂.
I still wonder about Eddie's reaction to the Peter Criss accusation. They asked him. But as if it was nothing special to him.
He only said Mark was in "bad company".
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Mark Norton was my neighbor in garden grove ,calif.He was a great guitarist ,he was not a kiss fan,he took the gig for the money ,please let him rest in peace
I like all the detail and agree with you about Peter. I was fortunate enough to be at the Poughkeepsie show and obviously had no idea that that was pretty much the end of him in the band.
Legendary show to have attended!!
@@IanScottoRocks yes indeeed. My friends and I were all metalheads and got to see some great shows there including w Vinnie.
@@IanScottoRocks I AM gettin my CD copy of that show for sure! And I am NOT really a big "KISS fan" either...It's just that for one? I AM a 51 y.o. METALHEAD and the Animalize CD IS about as close as KISS went to becoming a "METAL band" IMHO, and so obviously? I think the majority of THAT, IS because of MSJ playing on thee album! (whether Paul and Gene already "wrote ALL the material", as it doesn't SOUND like ANY of thee other KISS releases....Again? I just, REALLY dig it! GOOD songs with GREAT guitar playing ALL the way through...ROCK the funk ON 🤘🔥🤘
I loved that channel, and Mark was great on Anamalize. I saw KISS at the Poughkeepsie Civic Center with Bruce and Eric during the Hot in the Shade tour. They were both awesome! Great solos by both.
Real KISS fans have never forgotten Mark St. John. He was an awesome guitarist. One of my guitar heroes. Too bad he didn't have more success. Also, Peter Criss is full of shit and Mark's family was infuriated about the bullshit in Peter's book. They should've taken Peter to court for such slanderous remarks. RIP Mark.
Just curious how do you know Peter is full of shit?
Paul's book. Not Peters
Leave Peter alone
Says who? Like one person said that Michael Hutchence died during a sex game but his family said it was suicide. Two sides to every story and I believe Peter. Did his family swim down the toilet, retrieve and dry out the coke Peter flushed like in Trainspotting? And of course his family is going to take his side.
I remember reading in Peter's biography that Mark had CP lying around in his apartement. So that was all made up?
Mark was Great
Mark was a friend..a brief friend but a friend of my mine..all the same..as as was 'Paulie' also known as Eric Carr...a real sweetheart and a very talented guy
Great video!!
Much appreciated. More to come!
Thank you for your interesting and balanced review of this guitarist.
I also find inappropriate the fact of writing bad things on other band mates.
👍🏻
I love the guitar work on Animalize.
Damn straight! 🎸
Me too! It is my personal favorite of the 80s Kiss NO doubt! Animalize next to Creatures of the Night are my 80s Kiss go tos....His last days of life are very sad. Hopefully? He IS in the paradise life and shredding his azz OFF! 🤘🔥🤘
"Creatures" weren't promoted to the extend it deserved, because Mercury had just signed the band after they left Casablanca Records, and had a policy of not funding the necessary promotions of newly signed bands, irrespective of past history. That's why it initially did so poorly, since a lot of fans, (myself included), didn't even know it had come out, until coincidentally stumbling over it at the record stores, much later. Thought you'd might like to know.
Not forgotten by me and others who became a fan that little while he was their guitarist. Animalize was the first KISS cassette I bought back when released in 1984.
Mark should be remember ed for his skill as a guitarist rip Mark it's a shame Peter disrespected him
Wow, Good stuff. Coming from a fellow Scott👍🏻!
R.I.P. Mark. The only KISS Soundboard disc I bought was the one with Mark because of it being a rare piece of Kisstory!
@@cirenotsluor9999 Same
As much as I dislike Gene Simmons anymore even though I love the band KISS I am truly rather blown away by what I heard Gene say to and about Mark St John during that little sit-down interview in front of the drum kit he was very complimentary he was not a jerk and he spoke highly of the man and I respect Gene immensely for that.
There's also an old Swedish interview where Gene impressed me very much. They asked Bruce, the new member, Bruce gave an answer, when he finished, Gene said:
Bruce was always a full member! And he really acknowledged Bruce publicly. I still remember how proud Bruce was.
Wow I didn't know until now Mark passed away.
RIP
MARK ST.JHON GOD BLESS YOU❤❤❤❤❤⚡️⚡️⚡️🙏🫶🌄🌄🌄♠️
You have great editing skills.
That’s all my video editor 🤙
Mark lived all his life at his parents house in a converted garage. I was supposed to pick him up there in January 1999 for a recording session but he was an absolute mess and his mother apologised before we left again
Alexx, have seen your interviews before. An honor having you discover this and leaving some feedback. You have some amazing stories brother!
@@IanScottoRocks thanks a lot. Yeah Mark was a very sad personality. He for sure had some talent but didnt know how to use it. Seems getting high had a higher priority in his life.
Hi. I am From Long Island also!
Such a sad story for a guy with such a high ceiling.
Some-where...I thought I had 'v.h.s.'-video - of Mark's hand ✋in the (1984) "Macy's"-parade; but - here are some other rare finds...
Brian James Fox's video-page:
- www.youtube.com/@FrendZeee/videos
'White Tiger' 🐯- second-album's demos (un-released) - 1988:
- th-cam.com/video/Jnoy3EnEzzA/w-d-xo.html .
David Hassel-hoff "Is Every-body Happy?" (featuring Mark St. John) - 1989:
- th-cam.com/video/Ym58BcOHBB8/w-d-xo.html . ('KISS' + 'K.I.T.T.')
I remember seeing that Hasselhoff video on here. Forgot all about it! Thanks.
Is this still in Peter's book?
I would expect Mark's brother, who was with him in The Keep, to sue Peter to delete it. One explanation can be:
There are other witnesses! And Mark's family doesn't want publicity about it when they threaten Peter with a lawsuit.
In an interview they asked Mark's former manager Eddie Coralnick about this accusation.
His reaction was very avoiding.
The Keep demos are not a "disaster"!
Mark and Peter wrote a fantastic song "Between the Lines". And Peter sounded very positive in the talk after their live performance. In 1990.
A beautiful song. An ugly end for a good band.
@@HappyMachorino-bd8no Don’t know about deletions since this is from the hard copy when it came out. Appreciate the feedback.
Love the LA Guns t-shirt! 'Cocked and Loaded' is a great album
Be sure to check out the LA Guns video on the channel! 🤘
Over exposed bar band.
Listening to Paul insult people’s appearance in his book is hilarious, especially since he spends chapters crying about his deformed ear. Hypocrite. And Vinnie may be insane, but that contract was horrific. Don’t blame him for not signing it.
? When it was horrific why did he then stay????
Mark Slaughter said: Vinnie didn't want to be part of KISS. He wanted the KISS money for his own band.
I do like animalize ....when Kiss were really a heavy metal band....clearly Mark's style was typically 80s style....Paul Stanley blamed him for playing too fast and not being capable to play his solos twice in the same way
Ps ...In Italy pope John Paul 1 is called "the 33 days Pope " and there always been many rumors about his death ....
Man, Paul Stanley's book is 100x worse than. Peter Criss'. Old Stanley Eisen is the biggest gaslighting narcissist in the band by a mile. The guy slags off everyone and he is his own hero. Seems like he can't be criticised for some reason. I wonder why?
Ian clearly critisized Paul's book 📖 twice. The Metallica album (probably it was a different band). And Mark's live shows. Who knows why Paul "ignored" them?
Peter is different.
Lydia Criss already said she could write ✍️a book to correct his book.
Bruce wasn’t unknown, he was part of the Meatloaf live band.
I heard 2 versions of the mark st john prison beating (1) he got beat because he nicked some of the other prisoners food and ate it (like chocolate) and (2) he got beat because of what peter criss alleges however if it was (2) you would think he would be segregated to begin with so they would not be able to beat him. looks like we will never find out for sure, but what is certain is the beating contributed to his death in the long run.
Like Mark ? Track down his solo album WHITE TIGER ! AWESOME !
Kulick was not an unknown. He played on Meatloaf's "Bat out of Hell" album.
he did NOT play on Bat out of Hell.. he and his brother were in his live band for the Bat out of Hell TOUR.
Mark was great on Animalize. Too bad he didn’t get long to shine.
You mean. bruce kulick
@ Bruce played on two songs. Nice try.
Peace be to you,
"Do you know my friend Thomas?"
You need to do a show on Starcrawler,❤
I felt the same way about all of the original members books. They weren’t tell all’s as much as blame all’s. Sad how they all come off as bitter.
The Keep was basically White Tiger rebranded with Peter Criss. Mark St.John (Norton), his brother Michael & Dave Donato were the core line-up of both groups. On the contrary regarding Norton's prison assault, it's been widely reported that he was attacked because he stole food from other inmates. But perhaps he was too embarrassed to admit the truth to his then-girlfriend & the "snitching on a drug dealer" story sounded noble & justified. Unless it was his own crack-dealer he dobbed in as some type of plea-bargain to reduce his own sentencing? That is plausible. But I don't believe for a second that Peter Criss would have ever flushed an 8-ball of cocaine down the toilet. More like up his nostrils! It was such a waste of talent. Methamphetamine destroyed Mark in the end, addicts lose their souls to that junk & it was a very sad demise for him RIP. I have the Poughkeepsie 'Off The Soundboard' disc too & it should be noted that the awful 'guitar solo' section features Paul Stanley playing, not St.John. Paul blames everyone else & was just as disrespectful as Peter was in his own autobiography, especially in light of the late great Eric Carr, who Paul & Gene Simmons treated horrifically immediately before he tragically passed away RIP. That alone made me lose respect for them, however I would recommend reading Paul's 2nd book instead of his 1st as it is a much more positive experience.
The manager Larry Mazer took the responsibility for Eric's treatment.
It was him who didn't want Eric's drum solos. And he feels sorry for the criticism Paul and Gene get because of his decisions regarding Eric. The interview was on Three Sides of the Coin.
The story about stolen food may be true. But why such an extremely brutal attack? It would be more plausible: They found child-photos. This would explain the brutality.
The truth we'll never know.
You’re right about Peter blaming people….but Paul doesnt in his book?! Hahaha
I thought Animalize was released May 20th 1980 same as Unmasked, The Elder, and Creatures of the night.
Haha yeah I noticed it immediately as well & it took me out of the video a bit, probably should fix that lol
No, it was released in September.
Did Murr treat you differently after he got famous? Are you close to him? What's it like having a famous half brother?
I've been told I look like a few celebs, never him before
Pauls book is lousy, because he’s a lousy person. But one of the greatest frontmen ever. Go figure.
KISS was over by 1978
That is just b.s.
This is why I care to listen to the music and ignore band drama.
Thank you. Exactly.
So you claim you have no respect for Peter Criss because he blames everyone but himself for everything … and you quote Paul Stanley unironically in the same video? 😂😅😂
Paul once said, he wants to make his own decisions. Then he knows his own mistakes.
Bill Aucoin confirmed The Elder was a Bob Ezrin project. Bob Ezrin took the responsibility for the "failure" in an interview with Eddie Trunk. Do you blame Paul?
Paul even wrote about his first marriage that he had wrong expectations.
Most of all, if he was not able to realize and correct his mistakes he never would have been successful. So what's your point?
There wad nothing wrong with his Hands, they threw him out cos they needed someone to fill a spot so it looked good for the media, plain and simple
I thought Peter's book was the most truthful of the Kiss books
I hope Mark wasn't into child porn , but we''ll never know
You wanted the best but they were busy, here's kiss! 😅
never forgotten. RIP Mark
Gene looks high as f in that interview. Is him avoiding drugs just another lie?
How did MSJ afford heavier drugs if all he did was odd jobs (mowing lawns, etc.)? He must have had a drug problem already??
Forgot him. Vinnie vincent was
10 times better Vinnie should have stayed for Animalize
And that off the soundboard
Cd with mark is horrible
As much as I love animalize Mark‘s playing on just about anything else is somehow terrible. It’s not focused. It’s not memorable.
Didnt David Donato replace Ian Gillian in Sabbath for a demo before Geezer quit and Iommi hired Glenn HUghes?
Yes
Sorry, but to me he’s the most forgettable kiss member, didn’t do much 🤷 still love his solos on Animalize but…
Mark was great,..Too bad he had drug problems.,.I always hated Bruce Kiluck,.Guy had zero charisma and played so rigidly and horrible tone~
Mark st john , his family name was norton....they called him snortin' norton!
KISS became a TRIBUTE BAND after the ORIGINAL FAREWELL TOUR IN 2000 with the ORIGINAL MEMBERS...Now it's Gene,Paul & 2 wannabe posers playing dress up...
Fake Frehley and Cheater Criss
What does this have to do with Mark St. John?
I mean, to be fair they did record new material with that lineup at least.
Animalize sucked
wow, 2 1/2 min and no Mark Info. Gone at 2 1/2. Click Bait Everyone.
It's a 20 minute video with plenty of Mark info. It's called setting up what I'm discussing. It's not my fault you have that low of an attention span.
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