The medicine myth | Denis Noble, Nessa Carey, Guy Brown
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 พ.ค. 2023
- Is it time to rethink the purpose of medicine?
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"Death is simply a technical problem for which there are technical solutions" claims Yuval Harari. But if the last few years have taught us anything, it is surely that unpredictable disease is unavoidable. And with 2.8 million deaths due to antibiotic resistance each year some claim a new health crisis is only just beginning and that "we are facing a post-antibiotic apocalypse." One thing it seems is clear, death is not a problem medicine appears close to fixing.
Should we conclude that there is an indefinite amount about disease that we do not, and will never, understand? Are we fighting a losing battle, and will antibiotic resistant superbugs and emerging diseases show current successes in health to be a temporary blip in human history? Would we be better to accept doctors are not gods and cannot save us from death or can medicine and technology be combined to make us super human after all?
#Aging #Dementia #DenisNoble
Denis Noble is a world renowned biologist, and Professor Emeritus of Cardiovascular Physiology at the University of Oxford. Famous for developing the first mathematical model of cardiac cells.
Nessa Carey is a ground-breaking British biologist working in the field of molecular biology and biotechnology. She is International Director of the technology transfer organization PraxisUnico and a Visiting Professor at Imperial College London.
Guy Brown heads a research group at the University of Cambridge working on cell death in the brain, the heart and in cancer. His previous book The Energy of Life won the Wellcome Trust Prize for popular science.
David Malone is an independent filmmaker, Green Party politician, and author of The Debt Generation.
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childhood diseases have gone down for a variety of reasons - public health, sanitations, waste disposal, access to food etc
Exactly. Medicine has not much to do with it but overall healthier life circumstances. But Big Pharma has a great marketing team ...
I find the tone of the last two speakers somewhat disturbing, especially in iight of the controversy about Midazoman and morphine being used to kill people during the Covid crisis. If i was an old person their discussion would make me very.... uncomfortable.
I imagine the first guy is feeling increasingly nervous listening to the other two both of whom think people should not be kept alive too long. I do think Euthanasia is a dangerous field, especially when scientists weave in socio-economic factors and biases about 'Western privelege' and describe the elderly as parasitic. This talk unfortunately had both.
Third leading cause of death in Canada is now euthenasia, displacing medical mistakes
Huh? "The response to Covid is a scientific miracle" Where's this lady been the last few years.
Shilling for pharma clearly
Lifespan increased due to hygiene, clean water and nutrition, rather than ‘vaxines’ or BigPharma, I believe
Not according to pzifer lady
Vaccine had a huge impact
@sharpie6888 mortality / morbidity from the majority of infectious diseases had declined rapidly from the late 19th into the middle of the 20th, and they were having a minor / decreasing impact on population health, due to milder forms for one ( see smallpox) , before the various vaccines got introduced, you can look this data up fairly easily if you like, the data does not support a 'huge' impact on health.
So a minscule impact at best, and no proper RCTs to show real world efficacy, or comparisons to saline placebo for safety, or monitoring for potential AEs.
This is hersey to declare this of course.
Praising the wonders of the jabs. How am I not surprised?
Nessa Carey is entirely clueless. Amazingly so.
dangerously clueless
Either clueless or deceitful and evil.
Or all three
The title & the thumbnail doesn’t match the discussion, which is mostly about lifespan and healthspan and chronic diseases (only) of the old people. The speakers (excepting Noble) mostly present the mythology of medicine, including the whiggish position about progress. They touch some sociocultural, economic and philosophical aspects of the big picture, but they are specialists in the small picture (lab). Ask some philosophers, social scientists, historians and others. You have a video with philosopher of medicine Jacob Stegenga (Is Our Trust In Medicine Mistaken? on yt / Medicine's Mistakes on iai).
Certainly there are conditions of pain I would not want to live in until I were 95 years old, but if I could hold only one memory of an experience of music for 1,000 years, without excruciating pain, I would want to do so. And to use the class divide as an argument against that prolongation of human life is kind of obscene. We need to address the fact that 800 million people are living on the edge of starvation *in any event*, and don't you think the underclass would like to live longer too? The universe is billions of years old; the longer we can live, I'd say, the more beautiful.
I like Noble he is genius! 👌
This segment was cherry picked for the political agenda pushed by the second speaker.
The first speaker was like the antithesis of the second speaker, he devoted his career to developing cardiac technology to help people live longer.
When did scientists stop thinking? There have always been 80 and 90 year old people. She’s right about fewer child deaths but that’s more because of better child birthing practices. We live beyond our reproductive capacity because the human species is a super organism which must have wise individuals with experience who can properly hand the wold over to the inexperienced. The idea that we’re only supposed live until our uterus falls out is just dumb. Is she saying that woman should die at 40 and men can go on living till 90? Not a very deep think person.
Even the NIH attributed longer health spans to clean water, sanitation, and nutrition, rather than the 70+ jabs they mandate for school kids in the USA.
@@StigFerrari 100% truth after IIWW economy was basically dead in my country many children died because lack of proper heating in the house. Night could be very, very cold to the point that windows were frozen from the inside also grandmother had 7 children so overall care was very poor quality. Noone cared that much for children back in the days.
Yah sure, its not like we keep seeing diseases deemed practically erased pop up im first world countries cos some dum dums decided that one guy faking his research is enough not to vaccinate his kids.
@@StigFerrari”70 plus jabs”. People like you are so ungrateful for what our species has been and to do at the biochemical level, that you result hyperbolic sophistry.
@@1984KojotIs that the best scientific data you can offer ?
From May 2011 until July 2014 Nessa Carey was Senior Director in External Research and Development Innovation at Pfizer!
Now it's fully understandable where her rethorics comes from.
The only and truly A Scientist here is Denis Noble. Others are just tools of the corporate machine with degrees.
Indeed. I also suspect the specific rules of intervention and life length maximisation she would apply to herself would be very different to those she invokes in her dismal middle-ages attitude. And she knows little of economics, and her social polemics are silly.
makes sense
A bit of a non PC start from Prof. Noble
Life is given. Not for us to take.
Assisted dying is diabolical and should be treated as such by repulsive rejection.
I think the lady needs to check her facts regarding the 'miracle of the covid vaccine'.
Are you a doctor? Check your facts!
@@maddiesilina3833 only doctor's can talk with authority? Lol
@@SuperRobinjames about health yes! If you are not a doctor you just have a opinion about vaccines, but no understanding. That’s the difference between people who are doctors and people who are not.
@@maddiesilina3833 I think you will find that people.without a medical degree are perfectly capable of study,, your appeal to authority carries no weight.
@@SuperRobinjames I agree that people are able to study. But there is a difference between a student, a doctor and a person with an opinion about medicine.
Statins and vaccinations? Are you kidding?
Watching this reduces life span in that it discourages the will to live.
its not increasing life expectancy as a maximum. It is an average. Longevity has not increased. The average has changed. So, you chances of living to be 80 have increased your chances of living to 120 years has not.
We shouldn’t treat our parents worse than our pets !
Why do we continue to force our loved ones to endure the hell of dementia, painful and debilitating illnesses etc that we wouldn’t expect any nonhuman animal to endure. Are human beings worth less ?
The right to die is a fundamental human right.
The fact when a more develloped culture could reach a longer lifespan, it would be inappropiate regarding low income countries makes no sence at all.
This is politicizing abstract science. A weird way of thinking.
Choose a plant-based whole foods diet :)
live forever is impossible. Statistically you will eventually be in a fatal accident that you cannot recover from. Question, is a risk based question.
All problems are soluble - including death
Nessa Carey is dangerously wrong about just about everything!
Paraphrasing the Geek woman, 'If you believe in the science you're gonnadye'. The key to immortality is ever closer....
He missed shaving some of his moustache 😆
I think it's a new trend 🤣
Is it the woman talking or an AI with pre-programmed answers based on today's trends?
This IaI thing is really good at missing the mark huh…
These speakers are brilliant. Shame most of the talk is behind a paywall.
capitalism baby
@@notu1529 Yes, everything should be free. These people obviously dont need money. Why should YOU have have to pay for this? These people should obviously respect your money and use their free time to give YOU information so that YOU dont have to spend any money at all.
Yes, everything should be free. These people obviously dont need money. Why should YOU have have to pay for this? These people should obviously respect your money and use their free time to give YOU information so that YOU dont have to spend any money at all.
knowledge for collective intelligence should be free. same goes to healthcare and other fundamental needs for wellbeing. your simple mind only sees this in a simple light. you should already know what I'm talking about without me having to spoon-feed you. if your mind is simple, your will judgment is also simple.
@@notu1529 Well, where i grew up healthcare and public education is free, and it is notoriously shitty, simply because nothing of good quality is free in reality. If this platform on youtube was free, no wise person would accept the invitation, people live lives you know? do you even know how money works? Money is time and energy, it cannot be free, it takes hard work.
Why strive to extend our lifespans when we don’t value our elderly.
We cannot live on indefinitely whilst we continue to breed indefinitely - we have to allow room for the next generation.
The price of immortality is sterility.
The planet can’t sustain our numbers as it is !
the geek hasnt any knowlede on molecular biology ,you can also reverse ageing look at sinclairs work, ai will help enormously but in the end we are doomed from heat death the universe will be extinguished
Geek gave the ideokogical talk...not very scientific..
'There is aging in animals' ....when in discovery channels one can actually see lions age .
So she is worried about people in the First world living too long, she thinks that is not 'fair'.
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@@maddiesilina3833 'Health inequality means the most damaging people would be alive longer and longer to do more damage and create greater problems for the have nots' If she had been talking previously about the possibility of Rupert Murdoch living to 200 i might see her point but she was talking about Western elderly in general 'and we are already the ones driving destruction of the planet'.
She pretty much draw a proportionate line between the lifespan of white people and the suffering of everyone else. The unspoken conclusion that she didnt outright utter is: better for the world if all the whiteys perished.