There is no point doing that, there are very few trains that go from the Doncaster to Leeds lines and they don't clash with traffic coming on the Normanton lines.
Very interesting. Back to four lines again between Huddersfield and LNWR Junction at Ravensthorpe. Slow and fast. Heaton Lodge underpass for the down slow on the former Leeds new line still playing a very important part.
Looks like the more major work on the new curve at Heaton Lodge is underway now, so will try to get some footage in the next few weeks. Interesting times.
@@sarahandwills it will look all the same down the line, character all gone. All for 19 mins? Glad I can remember when it was full of character, but that’s just how I think. Staff at railway stations passing time of day knowing who you were, or not. Not just a platform and ticket machine, oh and a shelter if your lucky. 😔
@@suesmith4366Yes, I fear you're probably right. Quite a few characterful features will be lost, especially around Heaton Lodge Junction and some of the bridges around Huddersfield.
@@suesmith4366it's not about time saving, it's about capacity. The junction is clogged up with the current layout and this will significantly increase capacity
@@xaiano794 well all they seem to be bothered about is the 20 mins off the journey. They built the Leeds New line for the same reason ( capacity) look what happed to that.
Re Huddersfield. So what happens with the huge viaduct at one end of the station and the the tunnel at the other end? Plus of course the Standedge tunnels?
I think they're widening quite a few bridges between Huddersfield and Dewsbury. I don't think I've seen a definite proposal for how they plan to electrify that section under Standedge. That's one heck of an engineering challenge.
Hi Sarah, interesting video, exciting developments for the transpennine line at last. Im surprised they are building a footbridge on Huddersfield station though as I thought the subway was ok, where did you get your music from? Thanks Ben
Yeah, I thought the subway worked pretty well. The music is just one of the tunes provided on the Samsung editing app. There's quite a decent selection of tunes for various different moods.
HUDDERSFIELD FOOTBRIDGE & OTHER FOLLIES This is because of the obsession that the railways have with the Disability Discrimination Act (DDA) where the order of the day is new lifts at all costs and at vast expenditure. More to the point, it is the railways interpretation of the DDA which is the problem. It is always new lifts, new lifts everywhere, when other solutions exist. Mistakes with the new station planned for Elland involve massive expenditure on lifts with the station moved to a location different from the prevbious one. At Elland the Subway serving the former Station, (an Island Platform), is still there and could be refurbished to serve a new Island Platform at the same location as the previous station. The only trackwork required would be to slew the tracks between Elland Tunnel and the new Platform. In this way a new station could be provided at a fraction of the cost, (saving £Millions) of the new one....but no, it is all about DDA and more lifts. The installation of the lifts and footbridge at Huddersfield shows that passenger care...and the understanding of passenger flows is sadly lacking on the modern railway. The bridge and the new lifts are located in such a way as to seek to manage passenger numbers. In essence, this means that passengers will have to walk further to get to and from trains. Oh, and lets not forget the new location is exposed to the elements at the Yorkshire end of the Station. This is the same thing they did at Leeds, where a perfectly good and functioning Subway, which was capable of improvements and modernisation was done away with. Accordingly passengers at Leeds are being 'regulated' by making them walk greater distances using stairs and escalators. Same this was done at Manchester Victoria, where after the shambles of constructing 'The Arena' (brought to us all by the political fools running Manchester going after The Commonwealth Games), the subway was abandoned and lifts and stairs put in.....and we lost a number of platforms too. Manchester Victoria used to have one of the most efficient....and widest..... Subways linking the concourse at Platform 11 to platforms 12 - 17....nowadays we have stairs and bridges connecting the platforms in the Stygion Gloom. James Hennighan Yorkshire, England
@@staffordstationngauge8359 it’s to access the car park at the back of the station where the old goods yard was. Because when the old car park was in use there, you had to walk right round to the front of Huddrsfield Station. Not too good at night when you came home and it was dark.
When this work is complete, this will be an isolated electrified section. Reports in Sept 2024, that the government may defer or cancel parts of the Transpennine Route Upgrade.
It would be a shame to have got this far only to see parts of the scheme scaled back, thereby undermining the value of the works already completed/underway. For example, there's no point having smooth electrified four-track running for most of the route, only for it to funnel into some two-track bottleneck somewhere along the line.
TWO THINGS Hard to understand why they are not restoring the Heaton Lodge Underpass, (Down Slow), back to Double Track. With the underbridge being there for the two tracks that it used to be this is an opportunity missed at this junction. In a similar vein, the removal of the existing Single Platform at Mirfield is a mistake. Whilst this is being done because the Fast Lines will be located on that side, it fails to take account of the fact that in operational terms the retention of this platform would prove useful in the case of any emergency or operating problems at Mirfield. The reliance upon platforms only capable of serving the Fast Lines seems like an operating blunder of the first order, especially when trains through this station are not just LNWR route trains, (Huddersfield), but also LYR route trains, (Brighouse). It would seem that the running of trains Fast Line is being given greater importance as it represents the very essence of the new upgrade, and no doubt this is seen as something that will always run smoothly, when the reverse is an everyday possibility. James Hennighan Yorkshire, England
Both very good points. Many thanks for that analysis. I did wonder the same thing in terms of Mirfield. It seems to reduce flexibility if there was to be disruption.
It was a while ago now, but I was being really nerdy and looking through a Network Rail planning document (I think it was a 'Design and Access' statement). As it's a public planning document, any accompanying images are free to reproduce in the public interest. I'm afraid I can't lay my hands on the exact document at present. I wonder if they get taken down after a certain length of time. If you fancy a bit of Internet research, you might get some decent results by searching things like Heaton Lodge curve, Transpennine Route Upgrade, Huddersfield to Dewsbury (Westown), Ravensthorpe Station etc. Hope that helps.
Colton Junction could also do with an upgrade including a new flyover or underpass for trains travelling north on the ECML from Doncaster and London.
Yes, that's a project that would make a lot of sense.
There is no point doing that, there are very few trains that go from the Doncaster to Leeds lines and they don't clash with traffic coming on the Normanton lines.
Very interesting. Back to four lines again between Huddersfield and LNWR Junction at Ravensthorpe. Slow and fast. Heaton Lodge underpass for the down slow on the former Leeds new line still playing a very important part.
Looks like the more major work on the new curve at Heaton Lodge is underway now, so will try to get some footage in the next few weeks. Interesting times.
Brilliant video
Very interesting Sarah😎
Wonder if the end result will look like the artist's impressions.
@@sarahandwills it will look all the same down the line, character all gone.
All for 19 mins? Glad I can remember when it was full of character, but that’s just how I think. Staff at railway stations passing time of day knowing who you were, or not.
Not just a platform and ticket machine, oh and a shelter if your lucky. 😔
@@suesmith4366Yes, I fear you're probably right. Quite a few characterful features will be lost, especially around Heaton Lodge Junction and some of the bridges around Huddersfield.
@@suesmith4366it's not about time saving, it's about capacity. The junction is clogged up with the current layout and this will significantly increase capacity
@@xaiano794 well all they seem to be bothered about is the 20 mins off the journey. They built the Leeds New line for the same reason ( capacity) look what happed to that.
Re Huddersfield.
So what happens with the huge viaduct at one end of the station and the the tunnel at the other end? Plus of course the Standedge tunnels?
I think they're widening quite a few bridges between Huddersfield and Dewsbury. I don't think I've seen a definite proposal for how they plan to electrify that section under Standedge. That's one heck of an engineering challenge.
Maybe they intend to use the two disused tunnels
If you look on Google maps, the viaduct may already be wide enough for four tracks. The tunnel looks to be a massive problem,.
Hi Sarah, interesting video, exciting developments for the transpennine line at last. Im surprised they are building a footbridge on Huddersfield station though as I thought the subway was ok, where did you get your music from? Thanks Ben
Yeah, I thought the subway worked pretty well. The music is just one of the tunes provided on the Samsung editing app. There's quite a decent selection of tunes for various different moods.
HUDDERSFIELD FOOTBRIDGE & OTHER FOLLIES
This is because of the obsession that the railways have with the Disability Discrimination Act (DDA) where the order of the day is new lifts at all costs and at vast expenditure. More to the point, it is the railways interpretation of the DDA which is the problem. It is always new lifts, new lifts everywhere, when other solutions exist.
Mistakes with the new station planned for Elland involve massive expenditure on lifts with the station moved to a location different from the prevbious one.
At Elland the Subway serving the former Station, (an Island Platform), is still there and could be refurbished to serve a new Island Platform at the same location as the previous station. The only trackwork required would be to slew the tracks between Elland Tunnel and the new Platform. In this way a new station could be provided at a fraction of the cost, (saving £Millions) of the new one....but no, it is all about DDA and more lifts.
The installation of the lifts and footbridge at Huddersfield shows that passenger care...and the understanding of passenger flows is sadly lacking on the modern railway.
The bridge and the new lifts are located in such a way as to seek to manage passenger numbers. In essence, this means that passengers will have to walk further to get to and from trains. Oh, and lets not forget the new location is exposed to the elements at the Yorkshire end of the Station.
This is the same thing they did at Leeds, where a perfectly good and functioning Subway, which was capable of improvements and modernisation was done away with. Accordingly passengers at Leeds are being 'regulated' by making them walk greater distances using stairs and escalators.
Same this was done at Manchester Victoria, where after the shambles of constructing 'The Arena' (brought to us all by the political fools running Manchester going after The Commonwealth Games), the subway was abandoned and lifts and stairs put in.....and we lost a number of platforms too.
Manchester Victoria used to have one of the most efficient....and widest..... Subways linking the concourse at Platform 11 to platforms 12 - 17....nowadays we have stairs and bridges connecting the platforms in the Stygion Gloom.
James Hennighan
Yorkshire, England
@@staffordstationngauge8359 it’s to access the car park at the back of the station where the old goods yard was. Because when the old car park was in use there, you had to walk right round to the front of Huddrsfield Station. Not too good at night when you came home and it was dark.
When this work is complete, this will be an isolated electrified section. Reports in Sept 2024, that the government may defer or cancel parts of the Transpennine Route Upgrade.
It would be a shame to have got this far only to see parts of the scheme scaled back, thereby undermining the value of the works already completed/underway. For example, there's no point having smooth electrified four-track running for most of the route, only for it to funnel into some two-track bottleneck somewhere along the line.
TWO THINGS
Hard to understand why they are not restoring the Heaton Lodge Underpass, (Down Slow), back to Double Track. With the underbridge being there for the two tracks that it used to be this is an opportunity missed at this junction.
In a similar vein, the removal of the existing Single Platform at Mirfield is a mistake.
Whilst this is being done because the Fast Lines will be located on that side, it fails to take account of the fact that in operational terms the retention of this platform would prove useful in the case of any emergency or operating problems at Mirfield.
The reliance upon platforms only capable of serving the Fast Lines seems like an operating blunder of the first order, especially when trains through this station are not just LNWR route trains, (Huddersfield), but also LYR route trains, (Brighouse).
It would seem that the running of trains Fast Line is being given greater importance as it represents the very essence of the new upgrade, and no doubt this is seen as something that will always run smoothly, when the reverse is an everyday possibility.
James Hennighan
Yorkshire, England
Both very good points. Many thanks for that analysis. I did wonder the same thing in terms of Mirfield. It seems to reduce flexibility if there was to be disruption.
hi, where did you get the visualisations from? I'm interested in looking at more of them but struggling to find them
It was a while ago now, but I was being really nerdy and looking through a Network Rail planning document (I think it was a 'Design and Access' statement). As it's a public planning document, any accompanying images are free to reproduce in the public interest. I'm afraid I can't lay my hands on the exact document at present. I wonder if they get taken down after a certain length of time. If you fancy a bit of Internet research, you might get some decent results by searching things like Heaton Lodge curve, Transpennine Route Upgrade, Huddersfield to Dewsbury (Westown), Ravensthorpe Station etc. Hope that helps.
Here's a video of the 10-day Huddersfield Station closure over Easter 2024
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Worse than it does now.
Still none the f+×÷=/_ wiser why.