Neil Oliver - ‘A Magical Artefact That Haunts My Imagination’ - Podcast episode 18
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- Episode 18: In this episode Neil falls under the spell of the oldest seagoing boat in the world!
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Love you Mr. Oliver! I could happily listen to you read the dictionary! I love history and your podcast is wonderful! Thank you for this!
I love HIM too ! Marie.
haha I said similar on another video - I could listen to him read the telephone directory - then remembered they don't exist anymore lol
I agree, 1000%✨💖✨🖖
Well said!Niel is the best!
These podcasts brighten my working day as I listen to them at my bench.
Your passion for these Isles and their peoples is so contagious and moving.
Thank you sir!
I think I get 2 in a day.
So look forward to all his podcasts put out.
I wait for the next episode and am happy when it pops up! Great bloke. Fantastic knowledge and beautiful voice to boot.
Mr Oliver is one of the best people on the planet. We are lucky to live in his time
For sure
agree
@Mithrandir well said Gandalf
We truly are ! N.O.liver is is our Lighthouse shining for us -- little lost boats -- throughout a strange, stormy night of UK. History..It ll be Thanks to him among a few others...that these wonderful British Isles will come through this Darkest Hour and not lose its direction and glorious Tradition admired all over the Globe....
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I just love these. ❤️ Thank you.
I may be American, but there's a part of me that came from the British Archipelago too.
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Not an archipelago my guy but I like the sentiment.
@@HappyBear376 I heartedly disagree. Neil is a Briton, he recognises the fleeting nature of the divisions between the Britons. We all call the British Isles home and petty squabbles are there to be ridiculed not venerated.
@@HappyBear376 Yes indeed, the ''British Isles'' is an Archipelago, England is not.
@@HappyBear376 . Great Britain is composed of a cluster of islands - that's the definition of an archipelago!
I'm making a wooden boat. It is a rite of passage.
I've spent two years labouring over it, coaxing timber into a most unlikely shape that is both beautiful and purposeful.
It's strangely anatomical like and extension of me, crafted from wood, with respect for and understanding of the nature of the sea.
It reeks of my intent, my presence, of me.
It is you. Name her well.
That idea of thought being transmitted through time has always fascinated me... The fact you can today order a brand new copy of an ancient text like Plato's Republic, Homer's Odyssey or even the Bible, and read the thoughts, beliefs and ideas of people who lived and died thousands of years ago is amazing really.
In the development of writing and art, we found a way to communicate with the future.
First of all I'm so glad I found your channel that I had no idea even existed. I knew your previous work as documentary presenter and I loved it. Second, for me too, not just this one but all old objects just send a shiver down my spine. It's not the consideration of human ingenuity, it's not the age, it's a kind of magic, as if the object communicates something that transcendes time and history. Maybe it's the hope, we all deep down have, that time doesn't pass and that not everything is perishable. Maybe, it's the possibility to see someone else's thoughts...
It's the human story that the object conveys that is most special to me. In particular, I prize knowledge about those who lived normal lives like Alexamenos, who worshipped his God, or the ancient Egyptian labourer who had to take a day off work to brew beer.
You inspired me as a kid to study geography
Thanks Neil. Started having these going while I illustrate. Keeps a part of my mind distracted in a nice way and keeps the flow state going. Added bonus is I’m learning a lot as well.
In these times, it's crucial to revisit and embrace the creativity, persistence, and achievements of human beings. The things I see increasingly devalued in favor of AI. I so appreciate your contribution to current discourse. In this case, I think about returning loved/valued items to the universe as an act of gratefulness. We wanted these objects to be free, as we should still strive to be.
I'm filled with the passion that you exude about the love and magic found on the pages of history. Thank you Mr Oliver.
Very interesting Neil thank you. I'm 60 years old and thanks to my old History Teacher and the way he taught the subject, I have always loved History. We are so lucky on the British Isles as we are surrounded by History. We live in the Fens near Flag Fen another interesting place.
Everything has spirit. It let you feel it, because you could appreciate it; you could *feel* it's story, it's life. You're a lucky man Sir 💛🖖💖 very lucky.
We are lucky to have you sharing your wisdom and it's story. Thank you 👍
I love your passion for history which I share with you. Using one's imagination, one sees this vessel, whole and sailing the seas.
Your podcasts are amazing and I have been a fan of yours for a very long time. Keep up bringing ancient history to all of us as we wait with anticipation for what you create next. Well done.
How fascinating when we see the relevance in today's world, absolutely love the way you romanticize the mysteries of this beautiful planet we live on....thank you for sharing Neil! Looking forward to the next journey....
So glad to have come across you yet again ! Have witnessed some of the most fascinating and awe-inspiring archeological artifacts and site's , due to YOU ! Your transfixing voice , with your obvious enthusiasm , grabs my attention everytime I hear it ! Bless your heart and thank you so very much for sharing your vast knowledge and perspective with the world ! ✌️🙈🙉🙊❤️👍
thank you Neil Oliver. I hated history at school but thanks to you I absolutely love it now and can't wait for your videos 😍
We hear so much about indigenous people and the continuity of their connection to country and ancestors but I look at these and get the shivers. This is a tangible connection to 'my people'.
Thankyou Neil. Your message is powerful. I find it increasingly difficult to live in this world driven by consumerism and increasing detachment from our spiritual selves and our ancestors. You deliver a powerful message. I feel the imprint of my ancestors in my soul (a lot of celtic in me), and believe the journey from their heads to their hearts was less complicated without the distractions of our modern world. Keep sowing the seeds, some will take root and prosper. The sadness is that history is being sidelined in our schools and our lives. You make it fascinating and your passion is captivating.
They say know your history to find out where you are going, where you have come from, we are like you Neil in that we can see in our minds eye the peoples of this wonderful British isles, thank you for telling the story.
I am a ground worker and often find flint hand tools.
For all the shovel fulls you move the flint object always stands out and even the surface is generally pleasant to touch and your fingers will always fit.
I live very close to this boat and fully understand Neil's discription.
Brilliant video and buy his book it's wonderful
Thank you for being such a amazing individual, you are part of the kaleidoscope of humans that make humanity and the faith therein constantly replenish.
Godspeed, you beautiful diamond, shine on.
You make history poetic.
Absolutely fascinating stuff neil, you are a true historian and a great story teller, thank you.
Great podcast thank you very interesting
Magical , If only he had been my history when I was in school.
ha! I've said this about him, and others.....like Irving Finkle from the British Museum and others. I did have some good teachers, but many were mediocre at best. Neil is an inspiration.
Could it have been malicious? A competitor or scorned lover's family or sibling rivalry or something? Revenge is as old as the hills. But the sacrifice idea is strong. There is an old tree stump in the woods local to me, where people (modern people) have pushed coins into this stump from pennies to 20p pieces. There's nowhere left to push a coin now. it's a very strong desire to do that, isn't it? Thanks Neil.
I came across a tree north of Oban studded with coins all over its trunk & lower branches (within arm’s reach): being at the top of a pass, the tale was that coins were payment for the faerie folk to thank them for safe travel over their territory.
@@lindaj5492 ah....I guess that's the root of it.
Maybe the other half had something interesting in it. We'll never know.
Thank you for your lovely podcasts. Very happy to support your patreon!
THANK you Neil🎉❤
Absolutely wonderful listening to you telling this amazing story.
Hugs from QLD Australia 🎉🦘🇸🇪🇭🇲
I believe I was still in boatbuilding college when I first heard about this fascinating craft. The moment I saw the photos I got the impression it was an early "kit boat." Even today there are similar boats using the "stitch & glue" technique but deploying plywood. Whether the Dover Boat deployed natural tree resin along with the caulking I haven't researched but I can imagine early boatbuilders making the kit of parts & making ready for assembly.
We stand on the shoulders of giants & it's good to know that half of the boat has still been left as a votive offering as our ancestors would have wished.
Amazing! I've never heard of it. I think you should write an autobiography my friend. What a book that would be!
Don’t you just love the British isles. Thank you Mr Oliver for your super interesting and informative videos. I’m loving the beautiful pictures it makes me want to buy a mobile home and just travel around our fascinating and beautiful country. I have been to many of the places you talk about and one of my favourites is Glencoe. Every time I approach I see the lone piper on top of a high point and it makes me very emotional. Best wishes from Lancashire.
It’s really poetic in a way that 1/2 of the boat was left where it was, carrying w/ it the intention of those who put it there.
My father was a shipwright and was fascinated by historical shipbuilding. He would have loved this episode. Absolutely fascinating…thank you for sharing your knowledge Neil.
Dear Neil, thank you for sharing your expansive curiosity. We need inspiring inquiry especially regarding time travel. Shamanic practitioners know this and journey to heal this way.
Brilliant as always! Thank you Neil.
Wonderful episode ,I remember you telling us about the boat on one of your book tours with such enthusiasm it brings it to life
Wonderful stuff - as usual. Neil for PM!
Ahhh Neil Oliver ~at last someone who 'Innerstands' ~ Trusting that your book and these podcasts find their way into our Children and Grandchildren's Lives through a fresh new and flexible approach to Education in schools across this Land of Albion ~ Here's to Awakening the dull, bland History (and oft highly conditioned by propaganda and conditioning) that we were taught in History lessons of the old paradigm, and thereby bring HiStory into OurStory to be part of the New World that we are co-creating and Birthing ~ Thank you for Sharing these WonderFull Gifts and your InSights 🌠
Thankyou Neil!! I had not known about this boat. And to think... more and more wonderful story telling items will be found.
As always, fascinating history brilliantly presented! Thank you!
The description of being with the boat is incredibly powerful and deeply moving.
when I was younger I went to see the remains of the Mary Rose in Southampton with my dad, it had that presence and you think of the men who'd gone to serve on that ship. I was quite taken when going to Buckler's Hard where the ships of Henry's fleet were built were amazing.
The things about this boat is, how would they know to make this structure out of wood, the shape, the size, the dimensions etc etc……so we can only then say that this boat must have been the end product of many generations previous of trying and failing and altering the design to get to this finalised one. Who knows, they could have been trying different designs for centuries before getting to this stage. This goes back very far into history, maybe further than we think. The question I always have is, is this evidence of a civilisation progressing in a linear way or is it evidence of a civilisation that was decimated by disaster and were trying to rebuild using only word of mouth and handed down knowledge to survive. History is the biggest mystery.
History is the product of myriad experiments. We learned from one another.
It’s only right now that everything so interlinked that if anything major fails, it takes everything down with it. As we’re about to find out.
Made you feel like you could reach out and touch the builders, really put you in touch with the bronze age.
All I heard over Neils commentary is that this is part of an incredible find.
Part of the find? Yes, because the civil engineering company had a schedule and could only give so much time to the whole project.
So,half of an incredible find is still in the clay because of some bean counters calculation.
Its great we've got this piece but how much more wonderful would the complete vessel have been.
Thank you Neil...
How marvellous!!
To think there are still people on this planet using dug-out canoes shows how intelligent and ahead of their time the people who made this were.
A boat made of many components, so beautiful and yet so strong and purposeful, 3,500 years is just mind blowing.
As a Yorkshire man born and bred in Hull this one irritated me, Neil! The Dover boat is by no means the oldest sea going vessel. That accolade goes to the third Ferriby boat, found just down the road from me near the River Humber. It was of a similar construction and dates to around 2,000BC!!! Yet archaeologists refuse to acknowledge it for political reasons. Please, anyone reading this go and have a look into it. There were in fact THREE prehistoric boats found at Ferriby, all older or as old as the Dover one.
Alright keep your hat on. Thanks for letting us know
Interesting. What are the political reasons for refusing to acknowledge it?
@@amygodward4472 I'm not angry, just pointing this out!!!
@@sileniusix436 Yorkshire and the north are always ignored and sidelined. When a boat turns up in the north that rewrites history and puts the south's little trophy in the shade, it's generally ignored. I don't really know though. It's baffling. The science is a slam dunk. Ours is 500 years older. So why do they ignore it??
Having seen it quite agree the tooling and time it took to fashion the timber shows determination to progress the society in which they lived, in todays highly mechanised world we can only look back in wonder
Brilliant.
Neil as always I have enjoyed listening to your inspirational talk on history. The Dover boat as with so many other folk holds a special place in my imagination It's importance in helping to understand how international trade functioned during the bronze age is quite invaluable not to mention boat building techniques of the period and how much man power would have been required in its construction and operation, or the idea that Oak trees of that length of clear trunk and girth were readily available in western Europe at that time, all add up to a thing of wonder. However I must take issue with the modern romantic notion that all things desecrated are the works of some religious notion, the boats demise could just as easily been personal, political, commercial or otherwise expeditious. One thing is for sure we will never really know and that in it's self has a romance all of it's own.
Hello Neil, I haven’t seen you since “A History Of Scotland”…
Nobody paints a picture with words the way you can…I’m all ears sir…you keep talking, and I’ll keep on listening. 👍
Another wonderful adventure. Thank you Sir, love from N Ireland
It was 1500 years old when the romans got here....wow. love you so much Neil.
bitter sweet watching these videos especially knowing what is happening to British culture.
Gave me goosebumps before you even said it! Sacred boat. Great vid!
I loved this talk! You've expressed my thoughts very well. People don't change, we do the same things, and the ancients were very smart, smarter than academia gives them credit for.We are all travellers on the same planet. Thank you so much. This was very thought provoking.I wonder if the boat had been replaced by a new , better idea and was no longer useful, or was scuttled, or sacrificed in its prime?
WoW !! thanks for the journey !!! Incredible.
Those cliffs at the beginning look uncannily like the Seven Sisters in East Sussex.
Once happened to find myself eating a sandwich at the table next to Mr Oliver, on a rainy day at the Devon County Show….. I almost had a seizure out of sheer excitement. A true brush with greatness. At least I managed to resist falling at his feet like a quivering fan-girl, and embarrassing myself…..just stared at him the whole time.
Thank you Neil I've loved your programs since I first watched your Vikings series. It's so cool that you have a podcast available now and thank you again.
Having this extraordinary experience of travelling back in time giving you a glimpse of what sacrifices were made to create humility ...we need to be taking from this as a lesson..how much do we take without giving back...our existence is being challenged by greed... we have lost sight of humility and sacrifice for others...
Love this. History is amazing. We today are so arrogant, so impressed with our own worth, so greedy. Humanity has stripped this planet of wealth for far to long. It is catching up to us and we are close to the day when nature smites us.
Great new. Together we are unlimited possibilities for helping and sharing. Unconditional love respect and gratitude #Weareguildford
As disappointing as it is that the whole boat couldn't be excavated, it just might be that the buried half is still serving its original purpose.
That is fantastic Nancy! I love that way of looking at it. Thank you!
It's still taking people across the Channel ?
Yep. The hubris we display when we assert our world view can be stultifying. The boats are still crossing and even the land bridge has re-emerged.
Really fascinating stuff and so well presented. I didn’t however think much to what might be seen as a propaganda piece about climate change sandwiched in.
..not to mention🤐
the fiat/compulsory war machine-complex.
...👁️👎"TAVISTOCK 🔥
I thought the same. The earth gets hotter and colder,with or without human beings. The more carbon dioxide, the more life. Very interesting ,never heard of the dover boat.
I wouldn't have used Extinction Rebellion as a _stand up_ organization... They are lunatics.
I don't think that was his point at all... I think he was just making the point that the idea of repaying a debt to nature or the earth is a very old one, and that we're seeing it expressed through those movements today.
@@bluesrocker91 That’s exactly it, I’ve heard Neil quote that theory in other podcasts.
Amazing the civil engineer company didn't allow the rest to be taken out.
I think it has to do with money - well time, but time is money. And the magnitude of the operation needed. I think we are lucky that any kind of archaeological dig is standard when something new is built. It has uncovered a few treasures. But yeah. Shame.
Contracted bid.
That the company footed the bill to get what they have pulled out came straight off the top of that companies profit.
What should happen in circumstances like this is that the alumni of all the colleges and museums should gather up, pool some resources, bend a few ears in government, and get the contract extended for however long it takes to finish such a project by paying the contractor to assist as quickly as possible in the recovery.
But now those institutions are wasting their time and energy arguing over what the word _woman_ means...😑
I felt the same as you, only I could not get in that glass case. No other Artefact had me wanting to stroke it so much. I never wanted to leave.
It's still the same today for many indigenous people and in new world concepts of giving something back as a form of giving thanks for your blessings and leaving space for the new blessings to come in.
It's funny not to know if this is the bow section or the stern. I suspect that the remaining end will be the bow with a sharper "cut water". The flatter end would be a great stern in a following sea, lifting the boat as each wave passed underneath.
And it certainly suggests that it"s not a one-off; the basic design had been produced many times before (and after) this was built. It's a moving and fascinating object; a proto-dory. So easy to imagine the wood chips flying and the little kids standing and watching with wonder in their eyes.
Good points. I was surprised that Neil was so understanding of only getting half the boat.
Hello from Arizona, I time traveled with you just now but I teleported to Scotland first , not hard in a dark room with an excellent speaker and a great host lol thanks
Then the Mud Flood come and covered the boat.
Fascinating and thought provoking thanks
GREAT to see You again Neil and to HEAR you telling us about the Great British History Marie S.
Thank you, Mr O, for an excellent story. Now that we can't count on our future any more - perhaps we need to scuttle the QE2, or some such, as a sacrifice. Would it help?
How sad it was that something as transient as road construction should not be able to give way, just for a little while, to the recovery of such an important piece of history. If only.
What an amazing artefact! Thanks for bringing these gems to our awareness. can imagine it being a boat that might have been part of an ancient migration possibly? There is evidence of organised migrations of populations as they grow too large and the best and most ambitious or otherwise motivated to do so are sent off, for an opportunity to build their own kingdoms settlements, communities or domains. Britain being relatively under populated, the chances of securing land without noisy neighbours so that you can build your new tribe from scratch with only what you brought with you. Cutting the boat in half and sinking it could have been a symbolic sacrifice saying that we are here and have to make the best of it, and laying up the boat as a symbol suggesting the cutting of ties with the past possibly? The other theory I had was that once the boat was finished with, it was hidden for use if they needed it in the future, as it would be relatively easy to tie it back together again for immediate reuse. It is quite possible that boats were over wintered like this and buried or sunk to swell the timbers and protect it from being smashed to pieces or otherwise damaged or dragged away by a serious storm. Also if it was to be left unattended for periods of time, it would be best to hide it or it might not be there when you need it. I suspect that most trading and commerce for that kind of craft would have occurred in the summer months when you have goods to trade, and the winter months used to produce the trade goods and otherwise survive. I wonder if the intention of putting the boat back into service was late spring or early summer when the fresh willow withies have grown long and strong enough, but supple enough to rebind the joints?
I wonder what stories those timbers could tell?
Hello, thee is a much more plausible explanation of the scuttle
after world war 2 ended, my father was in Japan and came to notice a nice little sailboat...he came back the next day and the locals had scuttled it so it could not be taken away by the foreigners...they later patched it and re-floated it...a very common practice
the Dover boat was scuttled so others would not take it
Hello! I’ve just found your channel and already feel connected because I’ve helped restore a grand ol sailing vessel. It’s beyond words, so the words flow into a story of imagination and heart. I hear and thank you. 💜 🎶
The photo at the start of this podcast (3 mins in) isn't Dover, but Sussex - The Seven Sisters, in between Brighton and Eastbourne 😄Love these podcasts though Neil x
A good listen but there are many missed opportunities for details of the materials and how they were used. FYI.... The Kufu boat in Egypt is at least 2500BC and possibly much older. Some dismissed archaeology has spearhead flint embedded in an extinct animal [extinct 800kya] with 3 'bola' stones found within 2 mtrs. The quarry is in Argentina and the compacted layer the finds were taken from dates at 1.2mya. If species homo, they needed a boat to get there. I can also point to even older evidence of sea travel. Makes one wonder, does it not?
The Kufu boat was a river boat it maybe older than the Dover boat but it wasn’t ocean going
It's called daemon worship, the word daemon (demon) means to distribute fortunes. To offer sacrifice for good fortune.
Superb,Neil
This is a great video neil really enjoyed this one i love these videos keep up the great work.
If you're ever in Dover would be a pleasure to show you my stone age collection of artefacts 👍
All the best to you your family and all who watch 😃🙏
Mind blowing !
Scuppered. Another word (at least in the US) that means deliberately sinking a boat.
I always thought it was scuttle. Thank you!
Now I got to the part where Mr. Oliver uses "scuttle"! So I wasn't wrong. I guess both words mean the same thing.
@@rachelb2231 Yes, I should have said that both are acceptable, rather than just saying ‘another word….’ In the US, I always heard scuppered, so I thought that maybe scuttle was used in. Europe…????
I've heard the word "scuppered" in the UK too, but my understanding of it is that it usually means something unintentional, whereas "scuttling" being the intentional sinking of a ship.
I think in a scupper is actually a kind of drain on a ship to allow water to run off the deck... I'm guessing here, but I could imagine in rough seas they might have the opposite effect and cause the deck to flood, sinking the ship. So maybe that's where it comes from.
Love this video and the insights of the Dover boat. But I wonder Niel is possible that the boat was being dismantled for transport to another location, after all 4 planks of oak would be easier to transport than a whole boat especially when all you need to do is retie and caulk the boat. I don’t know and I don’t know if it is a theory that has been looked at or some evidence to disprove it. In honesty I like the philosophy of it being a valuable item being returned, I just wonder if there was also another where it had been sold, dismantled and just got plain old stuck in the mud, you do mention we needed modern equipment to extract it from the clay.
Curious to know more and gives me a reason now to visit Dover rather than just to pop over to France. Thanks Niel
Many thanks for the love,Hail the gods!
Fantastic..!
Maybe Neil Oliver, you had those chills because you rode in the Dover Boat in one of your many lives!!
Neil. We all want to hear you chat with Thomas Sheridan about history.
Love listening to you,l,ve loved history since school days when I heard Dr Ian Grimble do a programme about Skara Brae.
just amazing
hello Neil, l tend to think of votive offerings as an authentic commitment of 'thanks'.. manifest by the 'destruction' of the object with some regard of the future, yes.. but more in respect to the 'favours' manifest from the past, and thus a 'cyclic continuum'. all the best. william. ireland.
Loved this
Your voice takes me away to the past and imagination.... ahoy cap'tn
Marvellous! Thank you!
I was thinking the same thing “ I love you!”
As always, you capture peoples imagination with your obvious love and knowledge of our history please keep this work up, but equally please stay away from politics.
The white moon rock of the goddess of Ann(tribes of De-Anna/the moon). Welcomes home native Gaels/Phonecians to Anne-Gael-Land/ENGLAND.
Many thanks.