Episode 11 | Belts - Do they make sense? with Chris and Melissa Haueter
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- This week on the Combat Base Podcast we engage a general philosophy discussion on belting systems. We talk history, purpose, positives, and negatives. Is a belting system even necessary? We also get to some questions from our community.
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I could listen to Chris all day.
This is a sweet podcast. Feel like Hauter is a great historian and practitioner of the art. Could listen to him all day. His wife too.
Thank you! We appreciate your support!!
Fantastic episode! As a 58 yo BJJ BB, recipient of a prosthetic hip and over 40 years of grappling training. I endorse this podcast.👊🏻❤️
Cool to hear how with time and perspective you allowed your guidelines to adapt
Jiu Jitsu is the art of adaptation
I love watching people with actual Common Sense and Wisdom speak. 🖤
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The best overall bjj "system" I've seen was the Pedro sauer association. Minimum time per belt required as well as demonstrated knowledge of movements , self-defense curriculum, and a good amount of reliance on senior black belts in keeping the art solid/tested on the mats. It wasn't perfect, but at least you knew what a "minimum requirement" was. The art had been defined in general terms, and that allows practitioners to know what needs to be worked on at each level. That never meant you couldn't go above and beyond standard curriculum using new styles/techniques, but there was a standard. Every school had its own flavor/style, but every school upheld the minimum defined standard. The problem with BJJ is that many people can't even define it in general terms anymore.
Hell yea. PSBJJ! Thanks for the breakdown and perspective,
Good stuff.
Kawashi Sensei invented the coloured belts in France for judo in the 1940s I think
Interesting....will read up on that. Thanks for commenting!!
Ok so its a bit complex regarding grades in Japan. Before Kano Developed Judo (i wont say created because the base techniques were already there in classical jujutsu, he had menkyu kaiden in a couple of schools - minus most of the newaza.)
The vast majority of newaza (groundwork) was developed in the 1890s and early 1900s and onwards. Kano actually distained newaza and he thought, to paraphrase "it was the preserve of cowards to seek refuge on the ground rather than fight on the feet".
The original grading system of certification. Shoden - Chuden - Okuden - Kaiden - Menkyu Kaiden awarding certificate of complete transmission (not necessarily mastery as it took a few more years of study and practice) in Japan people were graded or certified because of their potential to reach a level of skill not necessarily because of the skill they were supposed to have at the time of grading.
I dont think Kano wanted people breaking away from the Kodokan. He noticed swimmers of different level wearing white and black belts and they say that is where he got the Idea from, others say the gane of GO inspired the gradeing system. I believe he created the Kyu Grade and Dan Grade systems to keep them on the drip (coming from 5 levels of certification as outlined above leading to 5 kyu grades and only 5 Dan grades originally. In modern times people felt people graded too fast to Shodan (and wanted to cash in) so they developed stripe systems in Karate and then BJJ and in Judo kids are grade in half belts - white to white/yellow, yellow - yellow/orange etc...
In his time and in some instances still today you wore white until you were awarded Black. The myth of not washing the belt is just that, myth.
Many of the early students of Judo were already master teachers/Menkyu Kaiden holders of other jujutsu systems so they graded quickly.
As someone else pointed out the colour belt system was developed in Europe (mostly used for kids in Japan) and was essentially 5 kyu grades up to Brown - white - yellow - orange - green - blue (earned through winning 2 fights in competition same as brown) and brown. The term Shodan comes from Shoden meaning beginner. Shodans have to win 10 fights in a calender year under 50 (may vary from country to country) and 7 after
OR win 5 in ine day by Ippon (full throw or submission) this is called Batsugun.
Culturally there is a lot of mumbo jumbo surrounding what black belt means, what the standards should be or are etc. Most of which is western fantasy.
Anyway there was originally only 5 dan grades. You are also right to say there is a white belt in dan grades - it has only ever been awarded to one person, Kano, he is 11th Dan awarded postumiously. No one will ever be awarded it again. Kano did say there is nothing to stop awarding people grades past 10th Dan.
FANTASTIC! Thank you for your contribution to the podcast!
I haven’t competed since perhaps when I just got my blue belt. But now as a purple belt whenever I travel for work I stop in other gyms to train and rolling with different unknown people are a gage how I’m doing.
Traveling and training is fantastic. Keep it up!!
@@combatbaseAs a purple belt it’s a great gage if not competing you can really get a sense of where you stand by rolling with strangers.
Awesome podcast! Thank you so much.
Thanks for listening
Black belts can eat an acai bowl just by looking at it. In all seriousness, what if there was a competition promotion? You can move up by getting top 3 in your age, weight, class, etc. You can always get promoted by non-competition promotions but a competition promotion could be a cool thing.
Hahaha.....that's the secret only black belts know!
I would love to sit down with the Hauters and talk about jiu jitsu!! Training with them would be awesome as well!! I’m a 45 year old brown belt and would like to hear advice on how to train for longevity. Thank you for the podcasts!!
Thank you! Will be talking longevity for sure. Feel free to shoot us any specific questions you have.
@@combatbase I’m 45 train 2-3 days a week. I’ve had my share of injuries and I’m currently dealing with a couple. How should I be training to continue into my 50’s. How “hard” should I be rolling and should I roll with the younger bigger more competitive guys? Thank you in advance!!
Great conversation
Thanks for listening and for the support!
I work in the equestrian world and its completely unregulated like martial arts. Anyone can hang a shingle out and say they teach horseback riding.
Its very similar to BJJ in that you need certain memberships and abide by agreed upon rules to compete, but absolutely anyone can open a school and teach.
Interesting parallel!
@@combatbase I'm a member of the Gibsonville club here in NC. Love the podcast! Keep it up!
These are great! I definitely want to hear more about your requirements for each belt.
Also, when should professor stripes be awarded?
We believe a part 2 is in order!!!
What was your guys favorite belt? I’m a brown belt and I almost wish I could stay a purple belt and just cruise for ever
Purple belt definitely rates amongst the most nostalgic belt. We will hit this on a Belts 2 episode!!!
Prior to Kano there was the Menkyo (license) system
We have some reading to do! Thanks for the contributions Drew!!! You da man!
10:24 to an extent, wouldn’t whatever you are left with after removing the athletics and attributes, still somewhat depend on a certain level of athleticism to be considered potent as an art?
Indeed! Street, Art, and Sport all together all the time.
Fantastic episode! As a 58 yo BJJ BB, recipient of a prosthetic hip and over 40 years of grappling training. I endorse this podcast.👊🏻❤️