If she's 6+ months pregnant with twins, it should be extremely obvious that she's pregnant... she should also have tons of medical documentation about appointments, ultrasounds ect & not hiding behind HIPPA protections to prove it.
Thanks Mike, that was fascinating. Family Court should demand a proof pregnancy test. Not urine test, a full blood draw, not a an ultrasound, not visual of her belly.
@@AmandaBooBerryI thought Family Court was also involved because she’s trying to insist she needs to contact Clayton to work out a “parenting plan”. Not sure though.
This is SO fascinating!! I watched the whole video from yesterday. As a woman, I do not believe this woman. Thanks, Mike, for having Dave on tonight to give more substance.
First time to your channel, Mike. I’m eating up this Jane Doe case on Dave’s channel. His comedian background paired with pop entertainment news is fabulous. I’m looking forward to hanging around here more too. New subscriber!
No way!!!!!!! I just found Dave's channel after we watched the court proceedings and was going to put in his comment section that you did a live of the hearing and then here he is on your channel!!!! Wow!!!!!!!!
Excellent interview, appreciate you giving your perspective on it. Continuous props to Dave for taking this whole thing on the chin...only thing him and Jane Doe have in common!
Mike, the “pregnancy belly” she showed on that virtual hearing looked like a strap-on silicone fake baby bump because she was moving it around in a way a real pregnant belly wouldn’t.
Thanks Mike for covering this story! Dave and Clayton are good people who deserve better than this and more people need to be aware of this shenanigans!
Love Dave Neal 👏👏👏 Thank you for covering this wild case and exposing how money can ruin innocent people’s lives. This woman must be stopped so we can’t prevent other innocent people from becoming victims.
When even women don't believe her, that is telling. She is the Amber Heard of paternity cases. This should be seriously publishable with financial penalty and long jail time. She is targeting men for a sick evil game.
I have a neurological disease, and two of my meds were originally marketed for psychosis.. it's called 'off-label' use, and is widely practiced in pharmacology and medical Circles.
@@Scubacroc I know they can be quite helpful, and our govt is now trying to limit off-label use. (Ask me how I know about Lamictal (Yep - I was on it for a bit 20 or so years ago)
I’m taking this medication for epilepsy and I have depression and anxiety and had bad mood swings and since I started taking lamotrigine I have felt so much better and happier and I didn’t know that it was also used for bipolar depression so that’s good to know and makes so much sense😂
Also the “pregnant belly” she showed on camera looks like a costume. Since I’ve been pregnant twice, bellies don’t move up and down like she tried to show off on camera!
Dave, did you tell Mike that one of her pieces of evidence of the pregnancy was a copy of an appointment with an OB/gynecologist? And that was it. Just the appt, no medical notes or records.
It’s nice to finally hear someone give an objective opinion on this case! Only you and Dave have looked at all the legal intricacies over this, while other commenters (Nick Viall, bachelor podcasters, etc.) fall for the gaslighting and forget that this woman’s whole story MAKES NO SENSE!!
Hi Mike. A TX case: A female pursued men w/ extremely well paying union jobs over approx ten+ yrs span while secretly married (involved men believed she was single) to a Mexican national. Occurred x four births. Men believed they were in a relationship and expected marriage. Did not happen although do pay child support for children they have plus visitation RTS. Note: One man she had child w/ has adult son. Pursued him. Had child w/ him. Same issue. When babies were several yrs old truth was discovered. The father of adult son committed s (extremely sad but true).
So glad to see this collab (even if im late to the party!) @Law Talk mentions "yesterday's episode" of Who's Your Daddy, but I don't see it. In the playlist I see a short clip, @Mike reading parts of her e-mails, this one & Who's Your Daddy Part II. Am I missing something?
Copied from a post by IntelligentSalt8593 on @Reddit "You are my hero!!!!! OMG! Could she have been ANY more obvious with readjusting the camera to show her belly, then pushing it up. 😂 that made the whole belly show that it’s SOOO fake!!!! I was believe it for a half of a second, until she pushed it up. Then, you could literally see the outline of the fake belly. And the whole time she is trying to get Clayton to look at her fake belly, Clayton is paying her ZERO attention! 😂 LOVE LOVE LoVE this!
Could I just say that whilst I totally disbelieve this woman not everyone shows as pregnant even with twins. I was still flat bellied and in size 10 (uk sizes) jeans at 24 weeks pregnant with twins and ran my last half marathon at 31 weeks because my consultant said it was ok. I only showed I was pregnant after stopping running and my babies came out at 6lb 6oz and 7lb 7oz. I was under a gynaecologist from 12 weeks on so everything was done with their knowledge and consent.
Have you listened to her TEDx talk??? Holy moly! It's quite disturbing. Pictures or videos of a pregnant abdomen could be a prosthesis. Not medical proof at all. According to the pattern from the Greg guy, she doesn't stop just bc there are no babies.
MIKE!!! Love your videos. Are you still working on the tonsil twins from Clayton of the bachelor? You have to get with Megan on this!!! Her new lawyer is a Kuack 😂
I'm starting to wonder if she believes she's pregnant..? Like, it seems like she has some serious personality disorder or something. Because the motive and logic just doesn't seem to exist for why she would do this? It seems like pure control..or something? Or maybe getting the guy to agree to be with her and then actually getting pregnant? It's all just so bizarre..and awful.
Who gave the woman the very bad acting classes, her facial expression was everywhere during testermoney. But when the judge came to give her verdict, if looks could kill the daggers in her eyes all aimed at the judge. But at least the bad amature dramatics concluded. Also if shes pregnant how far along is she supposed to be currently, and unless the camera fully washed out her pregnant woman glow she had none. I for one want to see the family court case now.
This whole case is insanely WILD! I’m so glad this has now made it’s way into the legal realm, where total BS in NOT gonna fly, and the (allegedly) cray lady isn’t gonna be able to send baseless threats from “her parents” she need help, and then some! Insanity… P.S: please keep covering! 😂 Her parents may need just as much help, perhaps they should search for a Ted Talk?!?
Oh? Where does she supposedly ride, I may have to go see this being I am just outside Scottsdale, AZ! 🤔 Honestly she’s dangerous, at some point when is one of her obsessions going to go fatal attraction.
Susie Evans the girl Clayton dated on The Bachelor and after the show was over has Clayton's back. She believes he is being honest about what happened with Laura Owens. I wonder who Laura is talking about in the Ted Talk video?
The guy was really suspicious when she said that she was about to deliver given that she was 17.5 months pregnant ... until she informed him that she was carrying twins.
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Thanks for having me! Can’t wait to recap this chat on the morning podcast Bachelor Rush Hour ;)
Dave, wishing you the very best. Glad to hear your story .
Can’t wait to hear more from Dave! Thanks Law Padre🚒
I listened to the entire playlist today while I was working. I'm emotionally invested in what happens next 😂
Great interview!
Thank you for posting how we can find you. I don’t watch TV but, now I want to follow you.
Great to see Dave Neal collab here and give the background in this case that is so desperately needed!
If she's 6+ months pregnant with twins, it should be extremely obvious that she's pregnant... she should also have tons of medical documentation about appointments, ultrasounds ect & not hiding behind HIPPA protections to prove it.
HIPPA is for medical personnel only,they cannot leak patients medical history.
It has nothing to do with the public.
I had/have twins and you’re absolutely right. Even before 6 months i had scans atleast 2-3 times a week to make sure one wasn’t taking from the other.
Thanks Mike, that was fascinating. Family Court should demand a proof pregnancy test. Not urine test, a full blood draw, not a an ultrasound, not visual of her belly.
It was just an anti-harassment hearing at this point. Until a human baby/babies are in the picture I don't think family court gets involved.
@@AmandaBooBerryI thought Family Court was also involved because she’s trying to insist she needs to contact Clayton to work out a “parenting plan”. Not sure though.
it was but that case is being dismissed according to a recent court filing.
Was it dismissed for sure? @@amycaitlyn1120
And exam by impartial physician
Came over to see Dave Neal discuss this. I'm glad to see someone else starting to cover it. I hope you continue to follow the story, Mike.
This is SO fascinating!! I watched the whole video from yesterday. As a woman, I do not believe this woman. Thanks, Mike, for having Dave on tonight to give more substance.
This collab was meant to be! Amazing and can’t wait to see more updates…
Hell yeah!!
First time to your channel, Mike. I’m eating up this Jane Doe case on Dave’s channel. His comedian background paired with pop entertainment news is fabulous. I’m looking forward to hanging around here more too. New subscriber!
I can't wait to see how it turns out! I think she's sus.
This woman is killing her reputation over this all on her own.
No way!!!!!!! I just found Dave's channel after we watched the court proceedings and was going to put in his comment section that you did a live of the hearing and then here he is on your channel!!!! Wow!!!!!!!!
We definitely need Dave on again for updates 🚒
So happy you’re talking to Dave. It is insane what is happening!
Dave Neal fan here. I have to say watching JDs facial expressions was an extra treat this morning 😂
Hearing what Dave has to say, it almost sounds like the Jodie Arias story. She is stalking this guy, for sure.
Excellent interview, appreciate you giving your perspective on it. Continuous props to Dave for taking this whole thing on the chin...only thing him and Jane Doe have in common!
😂
This was great, thanks for having Dave on! Sunlight is the greatest disinfectant! Keep talking about this! 💪🏻
Mike, the “pregnancy belly” she showed on that virtual hearing looked like a strap-on silicone fake baby bump because she was moving it around in a way a real pregnant belly wouldn’t.
This is fantastic!!!!! Dave Neal is the best!!!!!!!! So glad people are starting to cover this because it is insane!!!
Have more interviews like this. This was fantastic! You got a new subscriber Dave Neal.
When I watched the video and her reactions, I immediately felt so sorry for any man that she comes across.
Thanks Mike for covering this story! Dave and Clayton are good people who deserve better than this and more people need to be aware of this shenanigans!
Thank you Mike for support for Dave Neal. Looking forward to hear your view on this Epic BN story.
Omg yes!! I’m so happy Dave Neal is on here covering this!
🙌 finally someone from law tube picked this up
Great having Dave on. Hope to see future updates.
what a great talk! i'm so glad this story that dave has been covering is being shared with a wider audience. it's so important. thank you, mike! :)
She’s a STAGE 5 CLINGER. No doubt. This was such a great video!! Ty Mike and Dave!! ❤
I ran here! We stand with Dave!
I really LOVE the collab! PLEASE do more of theses!
Here from Dave's Channel. Thank you for covering!
Dave fan here! And now will be a new Mike subscriber because I’m also a law/trial fan!
Nice to hear some of the "behind the scenes". Thank you.
Love to see Dave Neal on! Thanks for being willing to cover this crazy story!!!
She should have to submit A pregnancy test to even be able to use the courtroom. It sounds like she is wasting court time trying to get to these men.
Great to see Dave Neal on here! Great chat, thanks!
Love Dave Neal 👏👏👏
Thank you for covering this wild case and exposing how money can ruin innocent people’s lives.
This woman must be stopped so we can’t prevent other innocent people from becoming victims.
Here from Dave Neal's channel. This case is nuts!
Oh, I love Dave's Hockey Night in Canada t-shirt, as any true Canadian would!
I was raised with only Canadian TV in Alaska. Every Saturday night was Hockey Night in Canada!
@@nonnisusu3968 That's awesome! I hope you're old enough to remember Don Cherry. What a fun time it was with him lol
Great interview! Thank you for sharing your platform with Dave to discuss this. New subscriber (came from Dave’s channel).
When even women don't believe her, that is telling. She is the Amber Heard of paternity cases. This should be seriously publishable with financial penalty and long jail time. She is targeting men for a sick evil game.
Don't forget, the LAMOTRIGINE (Lamictal ®) she claims to be taking for epilepsy is also used in the treatment of BIPOLAR DEPRESSION!
I have a neurological disease, and two of my meds were originally marketed for psychosis.. it's called 'off-label' use, and is widely practiced in pharmacology and medical Circles.
@@Scubacroc I know they can be quite helpful, and our govt is now trying to limit off-label use. (Ask me how I know about Lamictal (Yep - I was on it for a bit 20 or so years ago)
I’m taking this medication for epilepsy and I have depression and anxiety and had bad mood swings and since I started taking lamotrigine I have felt so much better and happier and I didn’t know that it was also used for bipolar depression so that’s good to know and makes so much sense😂
I have it for depression, move swings, and anxiety.
Damn, now I have to go see what Dave has on this! Sad but extremely interesting about what is really going on.
Also the “pregnant belly” she showed on camera looks like a costume. Since I’ve been pregnant twice, bellies don’t move up and down like she tried to show off on camera!
Dave, did you tell Mike that one of her pieces of evidence of the pregnancy was a copy of an appointment with an OB/gynecologist? And that was it. Just the appt, no medical notes or records.
What is "a copy of an appointment"? You mean a note in your date book or on the doctor's business card?
Pure awesome. Can’t wait for more.
"Set Your Clocks for Valentine's Day"
That guy is clever. Brilliant update :)..
LoL
Thanks for having Dave on. He is a very good person.
Found your channel because of Dave Neal!
Subscribed ! Liked! Dave’s the best!
I’m here because of Dave Neal! New sub because of this conversation!
Guys, stay away from crazy. It may seem like fun, and it can be in the short term, but then things like this happen. Find a nice sane woman.
Like any sane would want me
Great part of all of this for Dave is the crap ton of material he'll be able to use.
Love your podcast!! I’m here from Dave’s channel ☺️❤️
So glad to see this today😏❤
You know people can buy a fake pregnant belly suit 😅
It’s nice to finally hear someone give an objective opinion on this case! Only you and Dave have looked at all the legal intricacies over this, while other commenters (Nick Viall, bachelor podcasters, etc.) fall for the gaslighting and forget that this woman’s whole story MAKES NO SENSE!!
This was awesome!! I’m a Dave Neal Subscriber and now I’m one of yours! You guys are great! Want more videos of you two! 👍🏻
That lady is a sociopath. She gives DeeDee Blanchard vibes. This is textbook stalking. A 6-month pregnancy???
Amazing crossover!!!
It's that personality type who stalks when rejected....
Hi Mike. A TX case: A female pursued men w/ extremely well paying union jobs over approx ten+ yrs span while secretly married (involved men believed she was single) to a Mexican national. Occurred x four births. Men believed they were in a relationship and expected marriage. Did not happen although do pay child support for children they have plus visitation RTS.
Note: One man she had child w/ has adult son. Pursued him. Had child w/ him. Same issue.
When babies were several yrs old truth was discovered. The father of adult son committed s (extremely sad but true).
So glad to see this collab (even if im late to the party!) @Law Talk mentions "yesterday's episode" of Who's Your Daddy, but I don't see it. In the playlist I see a short clip, @Mike reading parts of her e-mails, this one & Who's Your Daddy Part II. Am I missing something?
Her actions make monogamy the best life choice- be safe out there!
So good! When my TH-cam guys collide ❤❤❤
This is great @law talk with Mike. I live in Maricopa County if you want me to go down to the courthouse in person
Look at her facial expression..lol 😂
This. Is. Awesome.
**only because she's not MY stalker**
😂
Perhaps she thinks her tonsils are throat babies.
Copied from a post by IntelligentSalt8593 on @Reddit "You are my hero!!!!! OMG! Could she have been ANY more obvious with readjusting the camera to show her belly, then pushing it up. 😂 that made the whole belly show that it’s SOOO fake!!!! I was believe it for a half of a second, until she pushed it up. Then, you could literally see the outline of the fake belly. And the whole time she is trying to get Clayton to look at her fake belly, Clayton is paying her ZERO attention! 😂 LOVE LOVE LoVE this!
This has essence of AH for me.
🏇🐝 . My horse stepped on a bee, pollinated us both, and 9 months later we had 2 foalbees. It was a miracle and a blessing.
Loved this❣️✌️💚
Could I just say that whilst I totally disbelieve this woman not everyone shows as pregnant even with twins. I was still flat bellied and in size 10 (uk sizes) jeans at 24 weeks pregnant with twins and ran my last half marathon at 31 weeks because my consultant said it was ok. I only showed I was pregnant after stopping running and my babies came out at 6lb 6oz and 7lb 7oz. I was under a gynaecologist from 12 weeks on so everything was done with their knowledge and consent.
Hi Mr Mike. Had to watch this again.
Still one of my favorite UTube channel
Im so sad i missed this live!
Her parents are wealthy and she is a well-known, medal winning horse rider
Great follow up
Have you listened to her TEDx talk??? Holy moly! It's quite disturbing.
Pictures or videos of a pregnant abdomen could be a prosthesis. Not medical proof at all.
According to the pattern from the Greg guy, she doesn't stop just bc there are no babies.
Please do another episode with Dave Neal to cover all the undates
MIKE!!! Love your videos. Are you still working on the tonsil twins from Clayton of the bachelor? You have to get with Megan on this!!! Her new lawyer is a Kuack 😂
God, why can't people leave each other the hell alone. It's why I don't hang around people anymore besides family.
Stick with dogs they are so much better
Me too, the world is nuts.
@@LawTalkWithMike amen to that.
@@LawTalkWithMike I like my cats and dogs
Things you didn't know you needed to know until LTWM brings it up. Now your 100% invested in the topic with Dave Neal.
I'm starting to wonder if she believes she's pregnant..? Like, it seems like she has some serious personality disorder or something. Because the motive and logic just doesn't seem to exist for why she would do this?
It seems like pure control..or something? Or maybe getting the guy to agree to be with her and then actually getting pregnant? It's all just so bizarre..and awful.
Thanks gentlemen, what will the outcome be!!!👀
Who gave the woman the very bad acting classes, her facial expression was everywhere during testermoney. But when the judge came to give her verdict, if looks could kill the daggers in her eyes all aimed at the judge. But at least the bad amature dramatics concluded.
Also if shes pregnant how far along is she supposed to be currently, and unless the camera fully washed out her pregnant woman glow she had none.
I for one want to see the family court case now.
Also.... Do NOT be afraid to call a dude out on his BS! This is YOUR channel!
Paternity Court episode with Clayton! That would be epic 😂
This whole case is insanely WILD! I’m so glad this has now made it’s way into the legal realm, where total BS in NOT gonna fly, and the (allegedly) cray lady isn’t gonna be able to send baseless threats from “her parents” she need help, and then some! Insanity…
P.S: please keep covering! 😂
Her parents may need just as much help, perhaps they should search for a Ted Talk?!?
Oooo I’m excited for this one
Oh, the Bachelor case
The ONLY way… and I mean ONLY, way she can pull this off is if she kept the blue dress! …jmo…
Yaaay, I love Dave !
Oh? Where does she supposedly ride, I may have to go see this being I am just outside Scottsdale, AZ! 🤔 Honestly she’s dangerous, at some point when is one of her obsessions going to go fatal attraction.
Sounds like someone never learned the difference between positive and negative attention.
Susie Evans the girl Clayton dated on The Bachelor and after the show was over has Clayton's back. She believes he is being honest about what happened with Laura Owens. I wonder who Laura is talking about in the Ted Talk video?
Crazy! Fun! Perfect for LTWM!
omg Mike what in the beaverhole did you send us diwn now
27:05 - That's what got all this kicked off to start with....
Does anyone else feel this attorney feels like Lily Brisco
It's probably a good thing that Dave doesn't use her name. She's probably like Beetlejuice... Say it 3 times and she appears. Eek!!!
The guy was really suspicious when she said that she was about to deliver given that she was 17.5 months pregnant ... until she informed him that she was carrying twins.