I started Melee once Slippi came out, and I've been grinding UnclePunch super hard. I've been a Melee spectator since about 2017, and I'm more excited than ever for this to continue. Also Kira is coming back to SSBM Tutorials? This year is going to be a banger for sure.
Justin's lying man, he's played Melee before. He showed me and got me into Melee in freshmen year of college lmao. Don't lie to the people Justin, we went to Apex 2014 together
@@stupidloser2714 He didn't take it seriously and we played more Brawl back then, but we def played Melee too haha. I'm just ribbing him, I've known him from HS, I don't want anyone to think I'm genuinely saying he's maliciously lying yk
half this stuff has never been mentioned in any melee guides i've looked at so far. on any discords, on tutorial videos, etc. basic tips like recovering high instead of low is better, wavedash being useful to cancel endlag on dash (seriously how has noone talked about that?) the only explanations i get for wd are that you can use it to wd in and do a standing attack while moving forwards, or for microspacing, things that barely help a new player unlike being able to cancel your dashdance quickly if you go too far forwards. or that you can jump cancel while dashing to grab. it's basic bread and butter stuff that isn't mentioned. thanks for the guide!
I've been getting back into melee recently, and was starting to get really frustrated getting beaten so consistently, not knowing where I was going wrong, and just not feeling like I was understanding the game. Watching this video totally realigned my thoughts on playing melee. I've been solo practicing way more the past few days and working on incorporating the basics taught in this vid into my game. This video has literally made me more capable of enjoying melee. Ty, Toph!
If you like practicing yourself, getting a crt from a thrift shop and having a gamecube and the game would be a huge first step. You can get a head start on tech skill, if you'd like. Or just play the single player stuff for fun :)
@@MrSlowpez10 That is probably more of an ask these days than having your own laptop. Yeah it might technically be cheaper to acquire a crt, gamecube/wii, memory card and a copy of melee. But those are all discontinued products that serve far less function than a laptop would. Not to mention to whole only would be able to play on their own thing. You're right that would be a "huge" first step. As in too big for most people to make, especially when they don't even know how much they would actually enjoy playing it.
@@liamfoote7164 Yeah, you're right. I'm an oldhead that grew up with Melee. I forget that most of the new players are younger and probably didn't grow up with a gamecube lol
If you ever do get acess to a laptop or computer just know that there are builds of melee you can use that run on less powerful hardware. Also, when tournaments and smash events open back up make sure to go to your local events as there will be people more than willing to teach you and many setups to play on!
This kind of content is my favorite, I just learned a good way to exit dash is by wave dashing. I've never thought about that before and is definitely a game changer. Thanks Toph!
I'm a doc kid starting from 2013 and I still learned a lot from this video that I just never really thought about or came across. I'm lovin Toph's new content!
By no means am I a new player to melee but I am a huge supporter of all things melee, and also got hooked by the maplestory music. Keep doing things like this Toph it means a lot to people
Something that would be a really good help is how to find your local community. I know of the top players and community figure heads but nobody from my local scene.
Doesn't really apply as much these days, but locals are the ticket to this in my experience. People in your area will go to tournaments in your area. Something else you can try is joining a community Discord (this is particularly useful if you go to a college since there's almost always a college-based Discord for Melee/Smash).
@@anikai4584 That is true too, and incredibly unfortunate. It is obviously easier said than done but if you have the means and the will you *can* create a local community. A good example of this is the Indian Smash community, largely started by one guy. Nintendo consoles and the SSB games were never released in India in an official capacity but today they have (albeit small) active scenes for Ultimate, PM, and Melee. (Not suggesting anyone 'just start' a scene, as I know it's a difficult feat, just thought it was an interesting thing to throw out there).
I'm an ultimate player that thinks melee is a better game in most gameplay ways, I just think that not being able to change your controls is down right stupid. People like leffen (because melee is their life and because they can afford it) are buying or modifying controllers to remap the layout because melee's default control layout -- that you can't change -- is pretty terrible. I would definitely switch from ult to melee if you could change your controls through slippi or something. Maybe use your power as big man toph to try and influence the melee gods into granting us this basic, practically essential and very easy technology of switching your god damn controls. You've been able to change buttons and turn off tap jump since brawl, but none of the later games have something like rollback. I'm sure somebody could manage to let you change your controls.
I'll say this is probably the main reason why i didnt get into the game at first. But as someone who also came from ultimate and hated tap jump and smash stick and default controls in general, you can definitely get used to it. I can't imagine playing ultimate ever again after adapting to melee
It seems awful at first and there are definitely times where it sucks, but tap jump actually opens up a lot of possibilities for easier inputs on certain techniques. Also, there is new controller trchnology being developed that will allow players to remap buttons and make inputs more consistent. Look at the GoomWave DX controller if you want to learn more
@@Roseknight888 At the moment Axe is the only really good Pika, but the fact that Axe does so well with him proves Pika's viability. The same can be said with Amsa and Yoshi, so with that in mind I'd say there's at least 10 viable characters
If I never was able to drive Justin to Apex 2014 for Pokemon where we both first witness melee I wonder if he would be the one toph is teaching in this video I just so happened to click onto.. Life is a crazy mystical thing
this is good content :) maybe for the caster bracket with top player coachs tournament discussed on the mango and pals podcast, you could do a bracket with new players being coached by the casters who play their characters. could help a lot of the new players coming into the scene from slippi have character specific content as well as help solidify concepts for the commentators and help them to cater to new players in their commentary
I know this video was a while ago but for anyone looking for easy methods for learning fast fall lcancelling, go into training mode and turn it to half speed. Developing the muscle memory at a slower speed and then pushing yourself to try it a normal speed for a bit is really helpful. I got it down to about 80% consistency after playing for like 20ish min a day for a week.
Yo Melee needs a Pogchamps or smashers gambit like event were top players coach a newbie from some other community to get them to play a tournament. Would be pretty hype.
I've been playing Slippi for a couple months now and I can basically move around just fine save some missed wavedashes and general clumsiness. One thing I've been wondering: how tf do I deal with spacies when my eyes can barely keep up with them? For example, I get so overwhelmed by Falco that even though I know I can take a laser and dash away as Marth, I still can't do anything about it in real matches. How do I fix this?
It really comes with time. One thing to pay attention to is where your eyes are during the game. If you have a good concept of your space and hitboxes, you should mainly he watching your opponent. Try to take certain interactions and learn the patterns and what they look like
Crouch canceling and moves that just... don't function at all at low percents really make Melee neutral a constantly changing task, compared to Ultimate where mostly all moves are functional and each character has only two or three best neutral moves they throw out constantly.
I notice a lot of fox players focus on hard technical stuff that is way beyond their level. They would be so concerned with shffl shine pressure and multishining and its kinda like "woah woahhhh buddy slow down, do you wavedash or waveland?" They complicate their gameplans somuch more than it needs to be. When you learn to be competent with Fox, you learn that few MUs actually require Fox to be technical. Most chars, namely mid and low tiers get destroyed simply by a Fox playing fundamentals and making good decisions.
I follow melee now for about 5 years and never really felt confident playing myself, i just watch. I know like 99% of the melee terms but i dont know where to start because theres so much to it. If your series will be educational enough i might feel the urge to start practicing
Joined the community with Brawl but always been a huge Melee fan. I only actually started playing it recently and the first time I booted it up I was like, "Wait, I don't look like Mang0." lol
For new players I tell them to learn to get away from pressure. Like tell them how overpowered it is to use shield plus C-Stick buffering. New players get stuck in movement, but its easy to hold those inputs while you are getting combo'd or in hitstun. Then (as the master) just chase them and show them that you are catching on to rolls so they can buffer the jump or dodge instead. This also primes and prompts them to get into attacking out out shield by flicking up on the C-stick twice to do an up-air OOS...I dunno but this is the fastest and easiest thing for me that doesn't involve shield grab which is more commital. For example falcon up-air OOS can be followed up by a dashback once it comes out and he lands. This way they don't have to lab out nair OOS with an L cancel and then dash back, nawmsayin?
Better things to do instead of up air out of the shield would be wavedash oos or nair. Those don't require c stick and are easy to do. Using c stick twice to do aerials out of shield seems very counter intuitive since you rarely want to full hop out of shield.
I'm tryin to get gud at this game. As a noobie Sheik, what do you think I should work on first? I essentially can't even move my character, but I don't know how to practice it... like that dash dance with the wavedash to avoid the skid, how do I do that? I'm kinda lost. I can wavedash, I understand ledgedashing and slide offs too.
Looks like he mostly does it as a "wavedash backwards" before turning around. Is there ever a time to use it forward? I guess if you're going for a dash -> wavedash -> up smash or something?
I'm quite new to Melee (never played any other Smash), but I've been struggling with aerials and with grab and shielding animations. I watch videos of people getting out Frame 1 aerials in uncomfortable directions, and I can't even begin to fathom how one executes a Nair right after jumping or out of shield. Is there any sort of trick to this? Also, waiting for the grab and letting go of shield animations (alongside a few others) is very hard to get the hang of because of how these animations look like they're over before they really are, so I keep pivoting instead of dashing or light shielding instead of grabbing. Is there some way to know visually when O'm actionable after an input? Maybe a mod or something? Thanks to anyone who reads and/or helps.
Long answer incoming! 1. Some people use claw to get aerials out quickly, which means you use your index finger to press x/y and your thumb to press the c stick. Others use tap jump. You can also use z to aerial, which hbox does. But tbh most people just do it the old fashioned way and only use their thumb for all of it; less efficient imo but people make it work. Play around with some techniques and do whatever's comfortable! Also speed comes with time; don't try to rush it. Focus more on clean technique than speed for now. 2. Get the 20xx hack pack and set the color overlays so that your character is green during wait, which gives you a visual for when you're actionable (lots of youtube tutorials for this). Also underrated: set it so that your character is green during IASA frames as well, because you're also actionable during those frames (I can explain IASA is if you're unfamiliar). Hope this helps!
Thank you for the depth in your answer, I already use 20XX but without any knowledge of its functionality, I'll look up how to better take advantage of it and not worry too much about the aerial speed for now. Cheers
To find the color overlays, in 20xx you can go into vs mode > debug menu > training codes > color overlays. You can set the color for IASA there. And then if you go into "action state overlays" you can set a color for "wait" which is the most usual actionable state. There are a whole ton of states lol but dw wait is near the front. I also kinda recommend from your slippi emulator, going into config > gamecube > and setting slot A to a memory card. Just so 20xx will save your overlay and you don't have to set it every time. I also have the music turned off and saved this way. As far as I can tell it doesn't mess with playing online. A lot of timings in melee or smash in general revolve around your jumpsquat. Say something like a wavedash involves timing an airdodge right as your jumpquat ends and you enter the air. Hence if you wanted to do a nair asap out of shield, it would be the same timings as like a wavedash. Same as like a shine out of shield if you play fox or falco. That being said being able to instant aerial isn't actually super important honestly. A character like sheik gets a lot out of nair out of shield, it's a great option, but there are a lot of more conventional and probably easier options. Like rolling, spotdodging, wavedashing, grabbing, just jumping, or not being so strict on aerial-ing as soon as possible. Btw I noticed you mentioned the letting go of shield animation. Because of how slow letting go of shield is, it's a pretty bad option that most melee players will never touch - which is pretty different from the newer smash games. So it's not surprising that you're expecting it to be over sooner. In general if you find yourself inputting things too early, it can be good to slow down. Doing something a bit slow can be less frustrating than getting your input eaten or getting a light shield instead of grab. You can gradually speed up from there.
No time to explain in full detail but. Low recoverying coming upward is not always a last ditch effort kinda thing. I understand what Toph means. But I don't know if he went into detail at all about why it's good to Low recover. But basically you can use it when you know you're high recovery will get read, you go low and gain access to a recovery tech walljump. Which is easy as shit once you figure it out! But If you get shined offstage you'll have to Smash DI inward hard enough to hit the wall to even tech. But other than that, usually coming up from low is fantastic because of Techwalljump. But you are going to want it to be last ditch but sometimes instead as a mixup!
The biggets problem coming from ult to melee has been the lack of a buffer system. Inputs feel like they get eaten because im trying to press the button too fast
Something id love to figure out is how to practice punish game. Do you just have to play the game with others or is there a good way to practice punish game solo as well?
It's called a shorthop. Whenever you jump in smash your character has a short squatting animation before they leave the ground called "jumpsquat." In order to get a shorthop instead of full jump you need to release jump during your jump squat- so tap and release it VERY fast. Different characters have different timings depending on jump squat- ganon is very lenient, fox you have to be very very fast, falco and marth are in the middle. Takes practice to be consistent with fox, it's almost like a quick slide across the button instead of a full press
Hi toph. I'd like to play some melee but idk how to get an original gamecube controller without forking out $100s. I tried some cheaper imitation gamecube controllers but the sticks were all garbage
Grabbing can be rly good there. Also baiting out and whiff punishing the down smash. Dair is the aerial that will prolly break cc the earliest but you'd still have to built some percent first.
What weirds me out is that most of the smash Bros today that aren't the five gods or whatever are about as old as the game is. For some reason they're all eternally 20.
so toph started melee in about 2009 era or so and he thinks he can talk about being a noob in 2021?????????????????????? sorry maybe im just a hater but this makes no sense to me at all
I started Melee once Slippi came out, and I've been grinding UnclePunch super hard. I've been a Melee spectator since about 2017, and I'm more excited than ever for this to continue. Also Kira is coming back to SSBM Tutorials? This year is going to be a banger for sure.
Justin's lying man, he's played Melee before. He showed me and got me into Melee in freshmen year of college lmao. Don't lie to the people Justin, we went to Apex 2014 together
Lmaoooo, call him out king
HAHAHHAHA this is so fucking funny expose them boss
Big if true
@@stupidloser2714 He didn't take it seriously and we played more Brawl back then, but we def played Melee too haha. I'm just ribbing him, I've known him from HS, I don't want anyone to think I'm genuinely saying he's maliciously lying yk
Lmfaooooo straight busted🤣
half this stuff has never been mentioned in any melee guides i've looked at so far. on any discords, on tutorial videos, etc. basic tips like recovering high instead of low is better, wavedash being useful to cancel endlag on dash (seriously how has noone talked about that?) the only explanations i get for wd are that you can use it to wd in and do a standing attack while moving forwards, or for microspacing, things that barely help a new player unlike being able to cancel your dashdance quickly if you go too far forwards. or that you can jump cancel while dashing to grab. it's basic bread and butter stuff that isn't mentioned. thanks for the guide!
I've been getting back into melee recently, and was starting to get really frustrated getting beaten so consistently, not knowing where I was going wrong, and just not feeling like I was understanding the game.
Watching this video totally realigned my thoughts on playing melee. I've been solo practicing way more the past few days and working on incorporating the basics taught in this vid into my game. This video has literally made me more capable of enjoying melee.
Ty, Toph!
Started playing melee two days ago so great timing on this ty
I started playing melee 4 days ago
Have fun! It's quite the game
@@Ick.- yeah? well i started 4 years ago
@Fc Jd just saying i could beat these guys, heh.
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I learned so much
I wish I could get into Melee, but I don’t have my own computer to play it. I love the content Toph!
If you like practicing yourself, getting a crt from a thrift shop and having a gamecube and the game would be a huge first step. You can get a head start on tech skill, if you'd like. Or just play the single player stuff for fun :)
@@MrSlowpez10 That is probably more of an ask these days than having your own laptop. Yeah it might technically be cheaper to acquire a crt, gamecube/wii, memory card and a copy of melee. But those are all discontinued products that serve far less function than a laptop would. Not to mention to whole only would be able to play on their own thing. You're right that would be a "huge" first step. As in too big for most people to make, especially when they don't even know how much they would actually enjoy playing it.
@@liamfoote7164 Yeah, you're right. I'm an oldhead that grew up with Melee. I forget that most of the new players are younger and probably didn't grow up with a gamecube lol
If you ever do get acess to a laptop or computer just know that there are builds of melee you can use that run on less powerful hardware.
Also, when tournaments and smash events open back up make sure to go to your local events as there will be people more than willing to teach you and many setups to play on!
You should check out Kadano's (co-creator of UCF) guide on how to build a Melee PC on the cheap: twitter.com/Kadano/status/1366838550285713409
I think knowing when to do certain techniques and how to take advantage of opponents mistakes would be helpful
Love the Maplestory tracks in the background!
it's been a loooong time since i've heard maplestory music, wow!
This kind of content is my favorite, I just learned a good way to exit dash is by wave dashing. I've never thought about that before and is definitely a game changer. Thanks Toph!
I am speechless at how good this video is
I'm a doc kid starting from 2013 and I still learned a lot from this video that I just never really thought about or came across. I'm lovin Toph's new content!
By no means am I a new player to melee but I am a huge supporter of all things melee, and also got hooked by the maplestory music. Keep doing things like this Toph it means a lot to people
Excited for the series just started learning melee with my brother this month
Deadass, might be my favorite video from you Toph. Both super entertaining and insanely informative, especially for my scrubby ass
That part about the peach and fox drill mixup interaction scenario was dope, Toph^
Something that would be a really good help is how to find your local community. I know of the top players and community figure heads but nobody from my local scene.
Doesn't really apply as much these days, but locals are the ticket to this in my experience. People in your area will go to tournaments in your area. Something else you can try is joining a community Discord (this is particularly useful if you go to a college since there's almost always a college-based Discord for Melee/Smash).
In my city events are still held at anime arcades / arcades. I would try reaching out to places like that and see if they have monthly tourneys.
Your local scene will more than likely have a Facebook group and Discord group that you can join.
Sometimes there just isn't a community
@@anikai4584 That is true too, and incredibly unfortunate. It is obviously easier said than done but if you have the means and the will you *can* create a local community. A good example of this is the Indian Smash community, largely started by one guy. Nintendo consoles and the SSB games were never released in India in an official capacity but today they have (albeit small) active scenes for Ultimate, PM, and Melee. (Not suggesting anyone 'just start' a scene, as I know it's a difficult feat, just thought it was an interesting thing to throw out there).
This is the kind of labbing we love to see
Toph I would love some mid-level teaching videos - specifically one that helps me get better out of shield so I don't spam shield grab.
Getting my little brother into melee after being the only one on my family to play competitive for 6 years
Thanks for the guide! :)
i started with leffens keyboard video like 3 weeks ago and THIS is a BLESSING, thank you TOPH!!
I'm an ultimate player that thinks melee is a better game in most gameplay ways, I just think that not being able to change your controls is down right stupid. People like leffen (because melee is their life and because they can afford it) are buying or modifying controllers to remap the layout because melee's default control layout -- that you can't change -- is pretty terrible. I would definitely switch from ult to melee if you could change your controls through slippi or something. Maybe use your power as big man toph to try and influence the melee gods into granting us this basic, practically essential and very easy technology of switching your god damn controls. You've been able to change buttons and turn off tap jump since brawl, but none of the later games have something like rollback. I'm sure somebody could manage to let you change your controls.
I'll say this is probably the main reason why i didnt get into the game at first. But as someone who also came from ultimate and hated tap jump and smash stick and default controls in general, you can definitely get used to it. I can't imagine playing ultimate ever again after adapting to melee
It seems awful at first and there are definitely times where it sucks, but tap jump actually opens up a lot of possibilities for easier inputs on certain techniques. Also, there is new controller trchnology being developed that will allow players to remap buttons and make inputs more consistent. Look at the GoomWave DX controller if you want to learn more
people really out here saying there's only 3 characters
That’s not true at all!
There’s actually 6
Isn’t it 7 with Pikachu? Or is that basically an Axe only achievement?
@@Roseknight888 At the moment Axe is the only really good Pika, but the fact that Axe does so well with him proves Pika's viability. The same can be said with Amsa and Yoshi, so with that in mind I'd say there's at least 10 viable characters
those people get 8 stocked by aMSa in pools
If I never was able to drive Justin to Apex 2014 for Pokemon where we both first witness melee I wonder if he would be the one toph is teaching in this video I just so happened to click onto.. Life is a crazy mystical thing
this is good content :) maybe for the caster bracket with top player coachs tournament discussed on the mango and pals podcast, you could do a bracket with new players being coached by the casters who play their characters. could help a lot of the new players coming into the scene from slippi have character specific content as well as help solidify concepts for the commentators and help them to cater to new players in their commentary
I know this video was a while ago but for anyone looking for easy methods for learning fast fall lcancelling, go into training mode and turn it to half speed. Developing the muscle memory at a slower speed and then pushing yourself to try it a normal speed for a bit is really helpful. I got it down to about 80% consistency after playing for like 20ish min a day for a week.
I’m really glad Toph is doing this!
Great watch, as a beginner I got a lot of good info out of it! Thanks!
Yo Melee needs a Pogchamps or smashers gambit like event were top players coach a newbie from some other community to get them to play a tournament. Would be pretty hype.
Have like a whole online tournament of noobs that have pro teachers. There was a similar thing in rocket league
Love it. More please.
0:00 Hi, Toph. Glad to see you here.
I've been playing Slippi for a couple months now and I can basically move around just fine save some missed wavedashes and general clumsiness. One thing I've been wondering: how tf do I deal with spacies when my eyes can barely keep up with them? For example, I get so overwhelmed by Falco that even though I know I can take a laser and dash away as Marth, I still can't do anything about it in real matches. How do I fix this?
It really comes with time. One thing to pay attention to is where your eyes are during the game. If you have a good concept of your space and hitboxes, you should mainly he watching your opponent. Try to take certain interactions and learn the patterns and what they look like
should've taught him about the bubble theory
yo hope to see more this was great
absolutely amazing video
Crouch canceling and moves that just... don't function at all at low percents really make Melee neutral a constantly changing task, compared to Ultimate where mostly all moves are functional and each character has only two or three best neutral moves they throw out constantly.
26:43 this is why melee is so fun
i appreciate the ms bgm
Ive been playing for 4 years and this dudes already shmovin better than i am
Love this concept
"Toph Teaches Melee to a Brand New Player" 4:38 Waveshinning LMAO
The whole not being able to turn off stick jump thing drove me crazy going from ultimate to melee.
It is very useful just be careful not. To waste your dj when up Bing
Thanks, Toph!
Toph your content is so godlike
I notice a lot of fox players focus on hard technical stuff that is way beyond their level. They would be so concerned with shffl shine pressure and multishining and its kinda like "woah woahhhh buddy slow down, do you wavedash or waveland?" They complicate their gameplans somuch more than it needs to be.
When you learn to be competent with Fox, you learn that few MUs actually require Fox to be technical. Most chars, namely mid and low tiers get destroyed simply by a Fox playing fundamentals and making good decisions.
I follow melee now for about 5 years and never really felt confident playing myself, i just watch. I know like 99% of the melee terms but i dont know where to start because theres so much to it. If your series will be educational enough i might feel the urge to start practicing
Joined the community with Brawl but always been a huge Melee fan. I only actually started playing it recently and the first time I booted it up I was like, "Wait, I don't look like Mang0." lol
For new players I tell them to learn to get away from pressure. Like tell them how overpowered it is to use shield plus C-Stick buffering. New players get stuck in movement, but its easy to hold those inputs while you are getting combo'd or in hitstun. Then (as the master) just chase them and show them that you are catching on to rolls so they can buffer the jump or dodge instead. This also primes and prompts them to get into attacking out out shield by flicking up on the C-stick twice to do an up-air OOS...I dunno but this is the fastest and easiest thing for me that doesn't involve shield grab which is more commital. For example falcon up-air OOS can be followed up by a dashback once it comes out and he lands. This way they don't have to lab out nair OOS with an L cancel and then dash back, nawmsayin?
Better things to do instead of up air out of the shield would be wavedash oos or nair. Those don't require c stick and are easy to do. Using c stick twice to do aerials out of shield seems very counter intuitive since you rarely want to full hop out of shield.
I'm tryin to get gud at this game. As a noobie Sheik, what do you think I should work on first? I essentially can't even move my character, but I don't know how to practice it... like that dash dance with the wavedash to avoid the skid, how do I do that? I'm kinda lost. I can wavedash, I understand ledgedashing and slide offs too.
Looks like he mostly does it as a "wavedash backwards" before turning around. Is there ever a time to use it forward? I guess if you're going for a dash -> wavedash -> up smash or something?
I'm quite new to Melee (never played any other Smash), but I've been struggling with aerials and with grab and shielding animations.
I watch videos of people getting out Frame 1 aerials in uncomfortable directions, and I can't even begin to fathom how one executes a Nair right after jumping or out of shield. Is there any sort of trick to this?
Also, waiting for the grab and letting go of shield animations (alongside a few others) is very hard to get the hang of because of how these animations look like they're over before they really are, so I keep pivoting instead of dashing or light shielding instead of grabbing. Is there some way to know visually when O'm actionable after an input? Maybe a mod or something?
Thanks to anyone who reads and/or helps.
In 20xx there are overlays that show when you are actionable
Long answer incoming!
1. Some people use claw to get aerials out quickly, which means you use your index finger to press x/y and your thumb to press the c stick. Others use tap jump. You can also use z to aerial, which hbox does. But tbh most people just do it the old fashioned way and only use their thumb for all of it; less efficient imo but people make it work. Play around with some techniques and do whatever's comfortable! Also speed comes with time; don't try to rush it. Focus more on clean technique than speed for now.
2. Get the 20xx hack pack and set the color overlays so that your character is green during wait, which gives you a visual for when you're actionable (lots of youtube tutorials for this). Also underrated: set it so that your character is green during IASA frames as well, because you're also actionable during those frames (I can explain IASA is if you're unfamiliar). Hope this helps!
Thank you for the depth in your answer, I already use 20XX but without any knowledge of its functionality, I'll look up how to better take advantage of it and not worry too much about the aerial speed for now. Cheers
@@myilmazalper KJH made an awesome video on the latest version of it and shows you all the functions and how to use them
To find the color overlays, in 20xx you can go into vs mode > debug menu > training codes > color overlays.
You can set the color for IASA there. And then if you go into "action state overlays" you can set a color for "wait" which is the most usual actionable state. There are a whole ton of states lol but dw wait is near the front.
I also kinda recommend from your slippi emulator, going into config > gamecube > and setting slot A to a memory card. Just so 20xx will save your overlay and you don't have to set it every time. I also have the music turned off and saved this way. As far as I can tell it doesn't mess with playing online.
A lot of timings in melee or smash in general revolve around your jumpsquat. Say something like a wavedash involves timing an airdodge right as your jumpquat ends and you enter the air. Hence if you wanted to do a nair asap out of shield, it would be the same timings as like a wavedash. Same as like a shine out of shield if you play fox or falco. That being said being able to instant aerial isn't actually super important honestly. A character like sheik gets a lot out of nair out of shield, it's a great option, but there are a lot of more conventional and probably easier options. Like rolling, spotdodging, wavedashing, grabbing, just jumping, or not being so strict on aerial-ing as soon as possible.
Btw I noticed you mentioned the letting go of shield animation. Because of how slow letting go of shield is, it's a pretty bad option that most melee players will never touch - which is pretty different from the newer smash games. So it's not surprising that you're expecting it to be over sooner.
In general if you find yourself inputting things too early, it can be good to slow down. Doing something a bit slow can be less frustrating than getting your input eaten or getting a light shield instead of grab. You can gradually speed up from there.
No time to explain in full detail but. Low recoverying coming upward is not always a last ditch effort kinda thing. I understand what Toph means. But I don't know if he went into detail at all about why it's good to Low recover. But basically you can use it when you know you're high recovery will get read, you go low and gain access to a recovery tech walljump. Which is easy as shit once you figure it out! But If you get shined offstage you'll have to Smash DI inward hard enough to hit the wall to even tech. But other than that, usually coming up from low is fantastic because of Techwalljump. But you are going to want it to be last ditch but sometimes instead as a mixup!
The biggets problem coming from ult to melee has been the lack of a buffer system. Inputs feel like they get eaten because im trying to press the button too fast
This is amazing content. Been playing for years. SNS GOML and others under my belt and I learnt so much here.
great video good shit big T
great video toph
Good stuff, Toph^^
I switched from Ultimate to melee a couple months ago, I super recommend at least giving it a try
Something id love to figure out is how to practice punish game. Do you just have to play the game with others or is there a good way to practice punish game solo as well?
Do you have s computer? If you do download uncle punch mod as well as 20xx.
That was a great intro pls do that more
How do I make those really small short jumps everyone is doing.
Whenever I press Y my fox of marth seems to go much higher.
It's called a shorthop. Whenever you jump in smash your character has a short squatting animation before they leave the ground called "jumpsquat." In order to get a shorthop instead of full jump you need to release jump during your jump squat- so tap and release it VERY fast. Different characters have different timings depending on jump squat- ganon is very lenient, fox you have to be very very fast, falco and marth are in the middle. Takes practice to be consistent with fox, it's almost like a quick slide across the button instead of a full press
@@myboy_ Thanks bro.
I can do it now.
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tier list tactics and strategies for the clock on crouch cancel smash di for samurai angles on light survival
yo i wanna say c-stick jump out of shield is actually legit if you can figure out how to use z for rising aerials
I mainly watch stuff from my subscriptions tab, idk why other people don't seem to as much
I wonder how high ranked Toph could get if he dedicated all his time to it? The dude has a sick fox!
He was ranked at some point in the 80-100 area
@@guren_mk_II damn that's really impressive. It's clear that he has a great understanding for the game.
im more impressed that he can short hop with fox
please do these more often please
Yo this ain't the same azazel that played in the salad online is it
dope content wth
nice
I accidentally became a Fox main after watching this
It’s been 3 months as fox I’m never going back
It’s been 7 months my friends hate you
Also started playing very recently. have been watching for years but would love some info on how to get from New to mid-level player
dude got Real nervous when he said "Ultimate players are generally better than most mid-level melee players at this one thing" XD
Always great to see content that makes Melee more accessible. Hyped for more :)
Hi toph. I'd like to play some melee but idk how to get an original gamecube controller without forking out $100s. I tried some cheaper imitation gamecube controllers but the sticks were all garbage
look on amazon for the japanese official Nintendo GC controller for smash ultimate, it's like $48
Toph how do you beat Peach's crouch cancel with Luigi
Id assume you'd try and strong hit nair or short hop aerial into jump or even short hop double aerial
Grabbing can be rly good there. Also baiting out and whiff punishing the down smash. Dair is the aerial that will prolly break cc the earliest but you'd still have to built some percent first.
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hey toph...didnt see you there
Ok but how is he so good at short hops? I've played this game for years (though I main marth) and I can't sh consistently with fox lol
In ultimate, every character has 3 frame jumpsquat just like melee Fox
@@TheBeastBoy105 Yeah but it's way more lenient. Iirc you can hold the button for 4f, in melee it's only 2f
I might be wrong tho, all I know is I feel short hopping in ult is really easy compared to melee
Sikkkkkkkkk vid toph !!
COMMENT FOR THAT ALGORITHM
TOPH
imagine not subscribing
smart I like the tutorial
Why didn't you clickbait Justin Carris, claiming the VGC crowd
Commenting for the algorithm
What weirds me out is that most of the smash Bros today that aren't the five gods or whatever are about as old as the game is.
For some reason they're all eternally 20.
What
Do I hear Maplestory?
!ports
wooooooooooooooooooo
+1 for the algorithm
for the algorithm
Kris TOPH er
Crying for a controller fix is a cop out.
Do I gotta pay $500 for this hour sesh?
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so toph started melee in about 2009 era or so and he thinks he can talk about being a noob in 2021?????????????????????? sorry maybe im just a hater but this makes no sense to me at all