UKRAINE ceasefire and the negotiation trap
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- UKRAINE ceasefire and the negotiation trap
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There's an interesting angle developing with Africa and China, and I think that Professor Gerald Horne would provide an important American perspective.
The west aren't serious players, and won't even acknowledge the price Russia requires.
Yeah, it looks like Russia is telling whom it may concern that Istanbul + is foundational reality and not the subject of any proposed talks.
It was reported that Moscow airport was shut down,due to attacks coming from kv
I think we are all tired of hearing about peace negotiations. Putin has said he is open to negotiations if the west is serious , but so far the west have not shown any interest in serious talks. Peace summits ,etc are a waste of time until Ukraine at least elects a president to whom talks can start.
The West is not serious.
It's all about the trillions of dollars of resources in Ukraine and ultimately removing Putin and Russian resources.
Same old, same old.
I guess from now on there is none who is able to legally accept any agreement from Ukraine side 😶
@@anasapsana824 Which is why the West keeps peddling their dishonest "peace agreement", and why they have no intention of keeping any pledges they make.
And its parliament’s Rada’s term expired in August, too. They would need to vote and agree on any peace agreement, if there’s any pretense of democratic decision-making. The EU/Council donated €50B earlier this year for improving administration, to pay for salaries, legal reform, etc on the conditions that both presidential and parliamentary elections are organised.
The only realistic negotiations can be a) over the fate of the rest of Ukraine. Does Russia take them too? b) over the Ukrainians' agreeing to no NATO membership. The idea of removing the ultra nationalists from power in Kiev may be harder.. Because Russiaphobia is deeply embedded in the culture of a section of Ukrainian society.
What's the point of peace for Russia if NATO are just going to retreat to lick their wounds and then come back for another round of aggression.
Define Russia. It's businessmen and government will get to hand out more Russian resources to their aryan owners so for them this fake peace would be wonderful.
Exactly. The Western Elites can't be trusted, no way no how. Russia must insist on terms that are verifiable and leave no opportunity to cheat.
Exactly
With friends likes this who needs enemies!!!!
That's a lot of licking! 😛
... as you say .. the West has reneged on every agreement ..
It's not Zelensky that is not bending. It's the Americans and British. They are the ones that are fighting Russia. Zelensky is just a messenger frontman.
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Exactly, and they will fight Russia to the last Ukrainian.
The clown comedian with a coke habbit isn't an actual leader of a soverign nation?!
And Starmer appears to be becoming the most disliked man in Britain.
@bura.......EXACTLY!!
Its not the Zelensky plan. Its the American plan.
The pressure is from the USA.
All of it emanates from Washington.
A ceasefire only helps Ukraine. Ukrainian morale is nearly non-existant. Their troops are deserting en masse, and their lines are buckling. A ceasefire will allow Ukraine to dig in and harden its defenses. Winter will bring a natural slowdown of military operations anyway. Regardless, even if there is a ceasefire, Elinsky will violate it the first chance he gets. Calling for a ceasefire now is like Custer calling for a ceasefire near the end of the Battle of the Little Bighorn. It's absurd
Putin will be the first to break any cease-fire. Because he is a liar. Remember early February 2022. " This is only an exercise, Russian troops will not enter Ukrainian territory". Yeh right!
It's- Zelensky,
But you are right, any other options but unconditional surrender by Ukraine will be used by the West to strengthen, reinforce, and plan another incursion into Russian sovereignty.
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I don't see how a ceasefire would even be possible as long as Ukra-NATO have many thousands of troops inside Russia. The Kursk front invasion surely killed any hopes for a temporary truce.
@@bookingstation NATO does not have any troops in Russia, however Russia has North Korean and Cuban troops in Ukraine. If China, North Korea, Iran and possibly India stop supplying Russia then NATO will have little reason to supply Ukraine. But hat is standard stuff out of Lenin's Little book of Communist Tactics. ' Make out you are the one being attacked. Play the poor defenseless, down trodden harmless little Communist. The one that Never harms anyone else'. To twist the narrative against those you attacked first
Exactly why it WILL happen. Putin has done everything in his power to help the west and will continue to do so.
Absolutely no cease fire without substantive moves from the west. May Russia stay fast on track.
NO CEASE FIRE PERIOD! Russia must take Odessa
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Exactly
I get annoyed trying to explain 2014 etc to people who believe everything they read in their daily newspapers
I gave up. People only believe the narrative, anything else is crazy talk to them.
There are still people with masks on. The mind zapping is real.
I had a friend who last week said, "Putin needs to die. We need to kill that bastard." I told him that Putin is one of the great leaders of our time and that the US is the problem and threat to mankind. He was incredulous that I could say that and will likely not be speaking to me again. From friends, to family, whenever I speak the truth, people shut down and roll their eyes like I am talking about bigfoot. The level of propaganda thinking in the US is astounding.
Me too its useless to talk with those people
i have the same problem. since 2022 february, i tried to explain the real situation to my family, friends and at work. Thet all tought i lost my mind and i became radicalized. after 2,5 years they still believe that putin is the devil himself.
i stopped talking about it, and the worst of it all is: they send me stuff from the propaganda western media, trying to convince me??
you do pay a price for telling the truth.
Returning the stolen $300 billion back to Russia should be one of the pre-requisites for beginning any negotiations, as well as complete withdrawal of Ukrainians from the Kursk region.
You mean 300 billion plus to be precisely
I hear the "interest" from the funds are now allocated both for paying back "investors" in the EUR 50 billion "loan" on behalf of Zelensky's Big Recycling Shop aaaannnd
... to pay for new French artillery to be sent over there.
It's very confusing.
300 billuon
No. Russia should let the west offer it in the negotiation so Russia can show the world again how dangerous depositing money in the west is.
There is only unconditional surrender for Ukraine now or a little later
India and Brazil have significant western media within their borders so have a 5th column to deal with.
Years, decades of almost zero Russian investment in international mass-media. Even Putin recognised this, they only have/had RT and Sputnik. But the idea is not only regarding news publications, also art and lifestily magazines, everything. The West controls everything. Everyone knows about National Geographic, Science, Scientific American, Science et Vie but how many know about such magazines from Russia?
The West is threatening all the major BRICS countries.
If they fall for it they’ll be ran under the threat of terror and lose their opportunity to free themself from US imperialism.
Even Russia had to deal with this at a certain point.
Also just think about which universities many of their officials have visited - in the UK or the US.
Exactly.
Both of these countries exist under the guise of a ‘sovereignty’ controlled by their neo-colonial masters.
@@wolfgangkranek376exactly, much of the upper bureaucracy get Anglo university. This is also present in the eastern Baltic countries.
negotiating with Nazis is like jumping into the swamp to negotiate with a hungry crocodile
Calling people Nazis means you're a gay loser with communist envy.
That comment is a disservice to the Germans. They were certainly open to negotiations by the middle of 1944 and onward, but the only offer from the Allies was unconditional surrender. The same was true for the Japanese. Unconditional surrender. Putin should demand no less than unconditional surrender, too.
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Muh Nazis. Stfu
The US thought she can overextend Russia through the Ukraine wars but ended up exposing her weakness to the world.
They just sped up their own downfall. Same with the mass sensor ship. Everytime they double down, their fall speeds up.
They showed their weakness in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Now even the Yemenis are standing up to these bullies
They are going down fighting like most empires in history. They give nothing about their own population nor their allies.
The USA and NATO and THE EU. All weak and so are we / Sweden
It's rather amusing that certain countries think that they will not suffer the same fate as Russia when the eye inevitably shifts its gaze in their direction.
@@lylegc01 Yes the delusion runs strong in them. They probably think they can negotiate their way through the process. There is the fact that they will be negotiating with completely untrustworthy people doesn’t seem to have registered with them.
Very true... Indians want to be a superpower like USA or China but when they reach that point, they will face the same fate as china and Russia does now
The Eye of Sauron? 😮😅😂🤪
Sauron's Neocon Eye is always burning, and not like in the Amazon Video perversion
Correct.
A regime change in Ukraine should be the first step toward peace in that region.
I think only the Ukrainian military can end this war by refusing to fight and remove Selinsky from power and then enter into negotiations.
Exactly 💯
Be careful what you wish for, the next guy might be even crazier than Z and need to please his masters in order to get rich.
@@earlfithian2147 A NATO/US approved stooge could be just as bad if not worse. And Svoboda/Right Sector also has to approve. There's no way Zelensky could have ever signed a peace deal. The right has told him he would hang from a tree. And we'll never know what NATO/US told him. After taking office, he told the far right troops to pull back. They talked back. He said, "I'm not a loser." He quickly learned that he was the loser to the real powers. And where is his sponsor, oligarch Kolomoisky?
this is getting ridiculously tedious. i hate this world and the morons that inhabit it...
Fascism being introduced in the 80s by Reagan and Thatcher is responsible for things being as bad as they are 😢
This would be based if you didn't believe every word the CIA and nazis ever said about non western countries.
@@arostwocents Lol, in US, the Congressional Chamber was updated with the fasces rods back in 1956, to illustrate that fact for everyone I guess. GB was faschist for the duration of the 20th century, ever since the Boer wars (1880) - they got the Italians, Germans, Portugese and Spaniards into it.
You could make a case for ANY colonial power being fascist, really.
@@arostwocentsReagan ?! Are you on drugs ?
@@timothymanues2469 The USA become openly fascist during the Reagan administration. This was obvious to many of us at the time, but we were ignored then and now. Most Americans prefer to live in a delusional version of reality.
India needs to mind its own business and worry about Kashmir .
amayzing how they dont see this as Indian Pakistan relationship, the West when leaving India did everything so a Pakistanian state was created, and the Hindu - muslim population are in perpetual conflict, so the Indian civilization cant united and become a world super power. And then created Kashimir situation to further weaken India. For the West and particularly Anglo-Saxon civilization everybody elses are red skin indian, the only policy toward them is to divide and turn them on each other then force them into reservation zone like endagerous annimals. This is the time to stand up to them or we will have Russian reservation zone, real Indian reservation zone, Chinese concentration camps, and Shell pipelines and Monsanto farms everywhere else on their lands, they wont get a penny from that, you can see many African states show more spine because they are already there, they know what a place the West have for them.
Modi is a snake and loves to play the fifth column inside BRICS
Bangladesh too
@@S1lverarrowthe Indians and Brazilians are great Proctologists.
very true, its just a matter of time west will do to india what its doing to Russia, them Modi will cry like a bit*h
*Last I checked, the enemy that's losing doesn't get to pick the terms of a peace deal.*
*Russia doesn't negotiate with terrorists.*
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Exactly
Indeed. It's bizarre to watch.
I would agree, the problem is, that Russia is not winning fast enough. So its leaving a gap in its "defense", not on the battlefield but in the political sphere.
This gap is allowing the USA to exploit the weak point in Russia.
Putun MUST move faster!
Putin can play the Netanyahu game. He’s set forth a couple of conditions this time. Then when they do agree to a negotiations, he can set forth more conditions - such as Alensky is no longer in office. Just keep postponing the negotiations endlessly with more/ different conditions.
@@larryphhihds4415He doesn’t have to. Patience. We’re not down to the last Ukrainian yet.
No cease fire! Zelinski needs to hold elections first and beg on his knees.
Zelensky mandate ended in May this year. Vrhovna Rada ended a month ago. No one in Ukr to organize elections. There will have to be a general sitting across another general signing capitulation. That's it. No other ways of ending this.
@@ivanaciric1270de jure is meaningless, he is the de facto leader and so he is the leader. Even Putin know this which is why he hasn't done the logical thing of launching a ballistic missile into zelensky's car. He knows Zelensky is the leader and so can't be treated like a common terrorist despite what Putin claims about him.
Correction it's a amirican war, America needs to beg for cease fire.
Unfortunately America speaks with fork tongue.
Never forget what the American did to the indigenous people of the America's always speaking with forked tongue while stealing land same as the Jews of Israel.
@@bengale9977 Putin simply benefits from a fool at the head of the enemy. If he thinks differently, Zelensky will be eliminated at any time (kinzhal will send greetings)
Contrary to what you think, Putin is not a murderer.
Like Trump, Putin is a very CONFIDENT man and for that reason he is always good with having the "talk" with ANYONE.
Cowards are the ones who always prefer fighting especially when it is others to fight for them.
They are not confident of being knowledgeable enough to debate and develop any argument and for that reason,they seek to eliminate any possiblity of "a talk". With that in mind,they know that once the war breaks out, you can find a million different excuses to "not talk" to the other side and so they push for war
Guys, Alex and Alexander, there is no such thing as "Zelensky proposal".
"Zelensky proposal" IS the NATO proposal.
That's the reason why NATO does not come with alternatives.
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Exactly
Brazil and India is talking to the wrong people, it's the US that they should be consulting... but they are afraid too.
India and Brazil should send their envoys to Washington rather than Moscow.
It was a mistake for Modi to visit Zelenski.Very poor judgement on his behalf.
I think its just a Balancing ACT. May be Indian Foreign Department already know its waste of time but also did it just for WEST-EAST Balancing ACT. Indian Officials already has to go to Poland for some Documents Signed, so its just another 2 days for Ukraine Trip. Its like going to your worst relatives function just because he invited you to rub you on your face , showing your relative has Higher Moral Ground, it will be BAD Reputation if you skipped. Typical Daily Indian Family Relationships.
Modi likes to impress the West but does not wish to be seen doing it
@@user7wk it's all Prime Ministers duty to balance ⚖️ the Act. Even previous PM Manmohan Singh went to USA for signing Civil Nuclear Deal without India have to sign NPT.Later for same deal Obama visited India , even praised Indian Technology is Developed Country. At that time Bush, Obama doing same Balancing ⚖️ India vs Russia+China Act.
US and West also does that Balance ⚖️ India vs Pakistan, India vs China , Middle East vs Israel.
Remember Biden went to Saudi Arabia for asking increasing Oil production, while sanctioning Venezuela and Iran oils.
We all have to learn the hard way sometimes
Russia is in the box seat!
Putin will be unwavering with his objectives in Ukraine.
He has huge intellect, and same sized balls.
HE, and only HE, gives me hope for Worldwide Freedom.
Blessings from Australia.
Similar feelings here from England.
Lavrov was specific about India and Brazil in an interview. That kind of confirms what Alexander is saying.
I wonder if the Indians would be so civil if Pakistan seized 500 sq miles of India.
very correct
True
Pakistan already illegally controls a third of Jammu and Kashmir
I think India would have been more understanding towards Russia, if they had freed East Ukraine to a sovereign country instead of annexing those territories. Remember India had a similar experience in 1972, while freeing eastern pakistan to create Bangladesh. For argument sake Bangladesh territory was once part of unified India, but India in 1972 liberated Bangladesh and allowed to exist them as a sovereign country. In fact Russian support to India through that process was significant and stopped any backlash from western countries at that time.
@@bills1414 Pakistan already has occupied 40000 square miles of Indian territory in Kashmir and we are civil about it FYI. If people in POK want to be part of India we will make sure they are. Ukraine and Pakistan both have a lot of similarities. Both are western proxies occupying land of sovereign nations. Dependent on west for the money and weapons. Still India has shown civility for last 75 years.
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Given what is currently unfolding in Brazil, i would not trust Lula.
Yeah no kidding. The US flipped Brazil's president apparently. Wouldn't be surprised if they take the B out of Bricks.
@@CmonManReally well Brazil is not suited for a major currency zone in multipolar concept anyway, too weak and underdeveloped. Sadly so is the entire Latin America, just look at Argentina, a country so rich in resources and eveything, used to be as rich as US and where it is today? The elites are corrupted and traiterous, it is easier for them to become landlords on slave plantation like their ancestors, than stand up and claim their rightful place in the world, so they are happy to be WEF overlords over their own population. There are no right materials for strong national elites in Brazil and Argentina, the rest of Latin America is just too small and weak to be a big economic power. In the end there will be 5 polars or 5 currency zones in multipolar world. Russia, China, India and AUKUS for sure, the 5th place is still looking for its candidate, could be Turkey/Iran to rule middle East by recreating Ottoman Empire or Persian Empire, could be African union. Things are still is mess there, but there are materials for strong national elites there.
@@CmonManReally never should have been brazil. should have been belarus in the first place. lula has been a traitor to the people by mandating using pfizers poison. bolsenaro seeked asylum in the USA. without a popular revolution that frees brazil from US influence there is no way to trust Brazil.
I wouldn't trust any politician who has held office after 45. All are corrupt to one degree or another. Kennedy is probably the best otherwise, along with the socialist leaders of western europe who built the post war social contract that actually worked for the people
President Lula of Brazil is one of the few adults in the room, compared to the G7 and the Globalist Rules-based New World Order Uni-Polarism.
How will there ever be negotiations when zelensky has forbidden it in law?
Laws can be changed ... what worse is, that the current UKR "government" is entirely illegitimate.
They would need a referendum to make such a change legal, according to Russia.
Ukraine isn't a real country. Hasn't been since the CIA backed coup of 2014. Russia is correct to take military action against the puppet NATO terrorist regime.
The edict allows them to break any agreement signed because such agreement was technically illegal. Why they've worked hard to keep it beneath the radar.
❤😊THE DURAN ARE SIMPLY THE BEST.
Better than all the rest.
Agreed 👍
get rid of zelenski and his cabal
India/Brazil should stay away from harrassing Russia.
Keep in mind that Burns just visited Sarajevo, Belgrade and Pristina. You two must know he is not visiting for diplomacy nor he's choosing destinations just like that.. So, please, don't be surprised with what Balkan will look like in the coming weeks..
Much respect from serbian Belgorod!
There is also the coming elections in Georgia.
Burns knows nothing of diplomacy, anyway.
Yes, Burns is part of the problem and not the solution.
*Kosovo is Serbian.*
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@@WagnerWithShovels not according to WEST.😂
Sick and tired of Modi and Brazil, Modi especially who is playing two sides of the street. It is tiring of having to repeat the same motions just to please Atlantic's circles. Not sustainable.
That's the politics all over the world.
Modi is useless, he is finished in india, his colition govt will 100% fall by Apr2025 or even earlier this yr end
Doesn't need to be sustainable, the west is well on the way to being third world with widespread poverty and endless mass migration meaning even migrants allowed to stay remain in hotels as housing is completely ran out
@@alxdava2004And? That means we can't get tired of it?
Modi is nobody in peace talks.
Putin talks only to US. Period.
NO "ceasefire" dudes.
That only = giving the Ukranians the chance to regroup when they are currently on the backfoot - would be dumb for the Russians to accept a ceasefire.
Brazilians and Indians hands off President Putin and Russia. No negotiations until the West comes up with substantive offer. No repeat of Minsk 2.
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If we go back to 2014 we will see that Russia tried and tried and tried to negotiate it seems there is only one language the west understands
As Mao said: all authority is derived from the barrel of a gun.
Humans have been the same creatures for a quart of a million years. The biggest shock is we pretend to not be animals.
Alexander, we are watching you from jamaica. Love your program.
The Russians should simply state that negotiations with Ukraine are currently illegal under Ukrainian law, and tell their "friends" to get Elensky to rescind his order prohibiting anyone in Ukraine from negotiating with Russia while Putin is the president. Until that happens, there's nothing to talk about; end of story...
With the Indians, anything goes. Principle is a rare commodity in Indian politics.
Are you kidding it's rare in any politics, Washington is perhaps the most corrupt government in the world
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Ha ha someone from China isn’t happy
Slumdogs have no rules
@@AM-SDnot only from China. Have you ever tried dealing with the Indians? Even when they live in another country. Can only imagine what's going on when there are millions of them. Let them stay in the slums
Surely their allies understand the whole situation, can't be very good allies if they want Russia to have to deal with a militarised NATO Ukraine on its border...
Sure they do, but everyone must consider their own situation as well. Friends are not just there to blindly help, but will seek to shape the overall world-situation in some beneficial way for themselves and for the alliance.
I'm sure Russia understands that, and is able to withstand the pressure.
The US and the west had from the start expected that this Ukraine thing was a small thing that would be handled fast and easy and then Russia would collapse, or at least Putin would be out of the equation, they are all politicians that firmly believe that if they want something then they will get it, they can't recognize that sometimes things just don't go the way you want them to, and the west had been under heavy American pressure on many fronts to do as the US want them too. The west with the exception of Great Britain and maybe Poland, would never had agreed to this if they had been on their own free to do as they chose, they are under American pressure, what do you think UN, NATO are? It is American tools to give America what they want one way or the other.
Of course they do. There are enemies on the border of every ally they mention. Russia has NATO in Finland, next to Kaliningrad etc etc
@@hissingsid6854 Sure, "friend" is probably the wrong term applied to geopolitics :)
India clearly wants to play footsie with the imperialist bloc!
has Ukraine suggested they are going to change their constitution as if forbids negotiation, if not , then they are a bad faith actor and should be ignored.
Where was Modi when BJ stopped the Istanbul peace talk, too busy doing the oil trade? One thing India lacks is consistency and being too opportunistic.
Modi is in pocket of Indian olagraces, he does there bidings
Not everyone can be consistent as the European in licking American underwear 😂
After last night's attack on Moscow I don't think there's going to be any ceasefire...
That's war. If you don't have a ceasefire because a side has done something there would never be any ceasefire. You are understanding war as America Vs flip flop forces, this isn't that.
Ukraine have said ten million times they would never end the war through negotiations.... But they will. As that's war. You are thinking of it as a team sport but actually war is affecting everything in a society. Watch Russian government meetings and you'll begin to see what a disaster Kursk has been for the civilians.
There wasn't going to be anyways. Why would Russia want to see Elensky go? As long as he is there, Russia has a broad avenue to continue destroying NATO assets in Ukraine. It is past time America and it's stooges were demilitarized.
Unless you forget, Europeans started two world wars last century. It is a horrible place full of horrible ideas.
Why negotiate with a party that admitted to lying the entire time about previous negotiations
China and India have to understand this has been planned for years . Surely
@doctoribanez Correct! "Negotiations" will continue on the battlefield.
I guess because thier " allies" are pushing them towards it. But one has to wonder what kind of allies would do that to them. Seems a bit short sighted to say the least.
Correct. Snakes are snakes.
I do not understand what is that China and India now want.
Istanbul proposal are NOT the basis of future “negotiations”. That ship has sailed.
China is not in the same boat as India and Brazil. China can stand on its own two feet, the other two can’t. As it is, China tried earlier to make peace. IMHO, the Kursk invasion was the straw that broke that peace camel’s back.
Brazil and India's economy are dominated by Western firms. This is why the reasons to decouple from the Western Economic payments such as swift and also to de-dollarization.
*Russia doesn't negotiate with Terrorists.*
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I don't trust Brazil.
Americas finger is in that pie, so to speak.
u fanny, care to share what was the last time Brazil has invaded or enacted and hostile act towards any country? we cant say that about US and friends can we?
@@Fil.D Haiti 🇭🇹 and Venezuela 🇻🇪 Brazil has shown their opportunistic position and want to maintain the white nationalist Rules Based Order!
If the thesis is correct that it was the US that had Lula released from prison and reelected, then Lula is representing the US in these supposed negotiations.
He is in a tricky situation. Regarding internal anglophile elites.
Old fashioned colonialists too.
The US is the one who got him arrested and prevented him from running in 2018 and he knows that.
Lula spent time in jail because of the US Democrats. Lula's conspirators were linked to the Obama Justice Department.
Thank you, gentlemen ❤️ You are the best
Because the big capital of both India & Brasil is foreign owned.
The biggest corporations in all main industrial sectors of both of those countries are pressuring both governments to do their bidding(UK,US,EU)
Take it back or sanction the states.
@@henk6522 Both parts will undoubtedly cause India & Brasil to be sanctioned into hell and lose their best market to sell to, pure economical suicide, both India and Brasil are that poor that they can't afford to fight the rich on economy. The rich got the poor where they want them: Fighting each other.
@@henk6522regime change
Sadly you rarely get that fundamental analysis on this station and it’s more about personalities 🤦🏾♂️
@@4411825yes the west is always referring to Putin. If there are no Russians
I think The West Behind the Scene is putting Pressure on these Countries especially India and Brazil to do this.
Many Thanks for your positive Analysis on this Subject at All Times.
Yep! USA fingers all over.
Brazil and India can't say No to USA. They probably loose some deals already made
My thesis is that Putin was not joking when he said he preferred Kamala. With her in power, he knows that the SMO will continue right through to the Polish border, thereby forever solving his "Ukraine Question." With Trump in office, the pressures for a ceasefire will likely be irresistible, which may enable a viable Ukraine to survive and eventually rearm.
He seemed to at least partially be mocking her, when he brought up her laugh, which is a liability for her which is exploited by her political opponents, who point out her cackling ideocy.
Harris, Trump, both puppets of the same people.
The key is predictability and stability. Who's in office is of minor importance for the machine. Trump has greater potential for disrupting it, not necessarily in a positive way for Russia or the world.
He talked big on withdrawing from Syria but nothing happened. Now the question is was he bullshitting or was the army not following the orders of the commander in chief ... i.e. committed treason ? It all is a shit show.
my thinking is same, kamla lame is good for Russia
Trump position will be to attempt to cause a wedge between Russia 🇷🇺 and China 🇨🇳! Trump serves American imperialism!
Hope President Putin doesn't repeat the foolishness of ceasing fire like he did in Istanbul. The campaign must proceed until all matters are settled, signed, sealed and delivered!!!
The withdrawal from Kiev and ceasefire was part of a signed peace agreement. One that got broken. This time around talk of ceasefire is just foolish talk from the loosing side.
Until zel is on his knees
Superb analysis from the only honest and credible source in the world on the Russia Ukraine conflict. Thank you, gentlemen.
Totally agree Based on objective reality
You anglos are not actually “the world” nor the center of the universe. You remind us of the pro NATO crowd banging on about how the “whole world” was on Ukraine’s side after the UN vote condemning the “unprovoked invasion”. thumbs down
Germany has some balls. First they admit that they (and France) only mediated to give Ukraine breathing time, hoping that the sanctions did their intended purpose and never wanted peace. Yet now they really really really, scout's honor, want peace. Sure freunden.
Exactly
No negotiations, only win!
elenskie must surrender unconditionally and will loose everything including his life, unless he gets sanctuary in St Petersburg from Putin and sequesters himself as a Trappist monk of the Russian Orthodox Church.
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"No more playing piano for you"
You’re wicked lol. 😂 you really don’t like Elensky!
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Trump wants to pick America’s battles. He knows the US isn’t invincible despite being strong
They'll make a false flag attack
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Are they brave enough to go to jail to save their lives?
No cease fire! Russia must take Odessa!
How can you negotiate with someone completely illegitimate and has made negotiations illegal under their own laws? ?
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Russia must not rush into negotiations which will not realize desired results.
In "The Godfather," when Don Corleone tells Michael "Whoever comes to you with this Barzini meeting, he's the traitor," he is essentially saying that anyone who proposes a peace summit with the Barzini family is likely betraying the Corleone family.
Excellent comparison!
Exactly
Fix the problem by not listening to western media you will become smart again
Russia will not stop until all objectives of the SMO are met. Nothing to negotiate until the US comes to the table. Russia is not stupid. Not agreement capable.
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Gotta get those natural resources no matter what the cost.
Two-and-a-half years into the SMO, with tens of thousands dead and Russia advancing in the east, some Ukrainians are asking a question that had until recently been taboo: Is it time to try to negotiate? “There’s war fatigue in Western society, and certainly in Ukrainian society,” said Col. Andriy Biletskiy, the commander of one of Ukraine’s largest brigades. “This is not the most optimistic moment for Ukraine.” In an interview with The Wall Street Journal, Biletskiy said it wasn’t his place to weigh in on what an appropriate peace settlement would be, which he called a political question. But he said he decided to speak publicly-something he has rarely done since the start of the SMO in February 2022-in response to the shifting national mood, which he said was hurting the motivation of troops at the front.
The 45-year-old is a polarizing figure, a former commander of the volunteer Azov Battalion, some of whose members have espoused ultraright ideologies and used symbols including swastikas.
Though polls show that the general public also remains skeptical of deals with Putin, many, especially younger people are ready to accept an imperfect peace to stop the war.
Alla Pronina, a 33-year-old schoolteacher in the southeastern city of Zaporizhzhia, said she began to reconsider the possibility of negotiations after last year’s counteroffensive. Now, with her husband away fighting, she is willing to give up all the territory Russia currently occupies in exchange for peace.
“Where can we go with this war?” she said. Officially, such statements remain taboo.
Continuing the war presents its own political challenges for Zelensky.
Ukrainian brigades on the eastern front are desperately short of men and weaponry. Continued support from the U.S. may depend on the results of the election in November.
How can there be peace negotiations when Zelenskyy has outlawed peace negotiations?
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The only viable negotiations is capitulation. Why Allies do not put pressure on Ukraine to capitulate. Fastest road to peace.
Russia would either have to be stupid, gullible or desperate to negotiate with Kiev.
It's brainwashed. You can judge which of the three that falls under.
I agree, but I wouldn't be surprised if they did.
That's why the US are trying to get India, Brazil or China to backstab Russia. That would be the end of the BRICS.
Negotiate to pay reparations and being brought to justice? You don't need to negotiate for that, you just turn yourself in and ask for the hand cuffs
I think in the US there are various contradicting business interests. Some have contracts for the Donbas, those would like to go all-in for the max, others want to save what is left for their business of Ukraine going by realities on the ground.
One of two possibilities, or maybe three.
1. Could be a play for global relevance,
2. The Indians are under US pressure and preparing to fold but want to make the Russians look recalcitrant.
3. The Indians are under US pressure but want ease this by appearing like they are pursuing peace actively.
3.
@@ninarao4063 1 india wants to show their vishwaguru prowess , especially when china had been doing many groundbreaking initiatives.
Alexander thinks India is pro Rus/Cn but has to go through the motions due to pressures from West & internal.
I think its a 2/3 combo (as above)
Modi is spineless, he has no feets, he is finished in india, his Govt (colition) will fall after 3 state elections scheduled in Oct24, he will loose in all 3 states & then his colition will collaspe in few days (a fact)
I think it is (1). I have said similar below or is it above.
As an Indian, who watches India’s national security and foreign policy very closely, and who has no illusions about Modi’s “influence”, or the lack of it, I can assure you that Modi/India has no leverage over Russia to really push Russia/Putin for negotiations with Ukraine and a ceasefire. All that media reporting in the Indian media articulating this is for Modi’s domestic constituency.
Before India’s Parliamentary elections this year, Modi’s party released an ad film where a young Modi fan was telling her father how Modi had stopped the Russia-Ukraine war and rescued Indian students stuck in Kyiv. Modi’s supporters never tire of extolling how influential internationally he is, often manufacturing facts that don’t exist. That led to viral online trolling of that young actor and Modi too. While Modi and his party believed that they would yet again get a landslide victory in the elections, they were shell shocked when they could not manage even a simple majority on their own. So, this entire exercise is among the many continuous narratives being spun to keep Modi’s image propped up and the Indian mainstream media which reports this with bated breath is mostly controlled by Modi’s oligarch friends. Nothing much should be read into this.
Thank you very much for the explanation!
This is true
This is a much more believable explanation. The claim that Modi or Lula could somehow pressure Putin to the point of the latter being annoyed is kinda hilarious and fantastical. I think they are all doing theater for both domestic and foreign crowds. The real action happens behind the scenes.
Modi constantly seek the limelight and attention. 😁😁
When they talk of peace, sudden destruction comes.
Schultz's famous sayin " i know nothing .nothing"
hahahaha
Hogans Hero’s.
Stand your ground Vlad tell them to look in the OTHER direction. They are both self serving and if the price is right damage could easily be done.
EVERYTIME UKRAINE IS ABOUT TO BE DEFEATED THEY BEG FOR PEACE, THEN THEY ARE REARMED. THIS WOULD MAKE THE 4TH TIME SINCE THIS WAR BEGAN IN 2014!!!
THIS IS NOT WISE !!
It's sabotage. India is sabotaging Russia, and Lula is a democrat puppet.
True!!!! This has happened before.
China hosted 4 days visit of the disappeared Ukrie foreign minister and was furious upon learning of Nuto-Ukrie invasion of Kursk. There is not a chance that China is going to be fooled by Nuto-Ukrie again.
“ehhh, peass plan, yes yes, Gandhi come to make peass plan for me”. “No Mr President it’s Modi not Gandhi, hes pushing for a ceasefire not ur peace plan”. “Yes yess peass plan”. 🤷♂️
😢😢Why can't the US and Western vasals who rejected Minsk and Istanbul initiate negotiations instead of hiding behind Russia friends and pressuring them to do so.
wouldn't it be better to negotiate after Odessa is taken?
And Kiev.. Russia's first capital.. 😉
The may be a masterplan to do just that
Negotiate with whom ? Illegitimate parliament, government and president. According to Ukraine constitution, Ukraine is now a federation.
@@iRelevant.47.system.boycott negotiate with NATO when taking their surrender
I thought they would have done this this summer. Even if it was nothing more than VDV bridgehead.
"we need to talk" 10,000 times
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Excellent The Duran. As always.
Thank you Gentlemen. Good morning to you both.
It can sometimes happen that the people, who try to be friend with everybody at the end loose all!!!
Exactly and we'll said .
Most of us that have been alive since the 50s fully understand this .
They're just playing politics at this point, I doubt Modi expects anything to change with this.
Modi can't be trusted, he is trying to sit on two chairs
Of course. Much like those who only listen to what western fascists say rather than look at what they do, it's easy to think things matter when they don't. It's just a performance piece.
I think this is more India building a reputation as a rising power more than the Ukraine.
There will be no negotiation until Ukraine capitulates. India has a lot of interest in the West and Russia should not fully trust them.
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If only it was that easy.
There was a peace agreement but the UK/US scrapped it. So war it is!
unfortunately the US do not believe in peace.
Putin doesn't need to negotiate with Ukraine.
@ 3:13 ， why Brazil and India pressuring Russia to the negotiation table? Modi’s political backers are wealthy Indian businessmen with U.S. ties. Lula’s recent re-election received US financial backing; his pay-back time has arrived. China’s Xi stands with and by Putin’s position because Xi has no political pay-back obligation to any businessmen or USA.
Isn't it amazing to know that both the experts in the discussion have the same common first name "ALEX"! Excellent discussion between them. 👌👍😜
Many if not all high ranking officials and advisors in nations like India basically are the product of anglo-american academia.
true, they still think like s*aves, Forigen Minister Jai Shanker too is the same
Exactly
The Indians and the Brazilians are pressing the wrong side. It's the USA that needs pressing to abandon the last Ukrainian idea to weaken Russia and agree realistic terms for peace IN ITS OWN INTERESTS - nobody else's matter, anyway. The Russians already have a very generous starting position and so it's pointless pressuring the Russians to move. Russian public opinion wouldn't allow them to move. The West and the Ukrainians have a ridiculous starting point designed to look like they are interested in peace on paper, but the starting point indicates that they are not. That's where the Indians and the Brazilians needs to be focused
Don't forget Victoria's last speech.
"latest speech"
@@SterileNeutrino I'd prefer to believe Barbara.
India and Brazil are playing a double game. At the end of the day, this serves their own national interest. But things look different from Moscow. It is Russia who has been constantly deceived by the West since the 990's, and Russians the victims of the ethnical cleansing done by Ukr since 2014. And still, they kept trying to negotiate and resolve this issue without more blood wasted. It is not India and Brazil those having NATO at their doorstep, it's Russia. I don't know what other leadership of a superpower would have such patience and openness.
If India and Brazil discussed with Ukr and now they ask Russia for ceasefire and negotiations, it means that they accept Ukr's stance. Russia doesn't like this kind of games.
It does not even serve their own national interests.
Exactly