Windrush Generation: The scandal that shook Britain explained and debated
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 เม.ย. 2018
- The Windrush generation, campaigners and politicians discuss the scandal in a Channel 4 News special just yards from the Home Office. Watch it all live here.
The Home Secretary has said all victims who are fighting to be British will get citizenship and compensation. Will our audience, many of whose lives have been ruined by the crisis, believe her?
Joining our live debate will be Labour MP David Lammy, who described the Windrush controversy as a "day of national shame", and leading Conservative Brexiteer Jacob Rees-Mogg.
You might think the government's spectacular U-turn on the Windrush generation has solved the problem. They will now be able to get British passports free. It should never have happened, said the Home Secretary, as she finally promised to fix it. But why did she suddenly change her mind after months and years of ignoring the outrage?
And is Windrush a unique mistake - caused by officials? Or was it the policy? The political atmosphere - a toxic, racist undercurrent driven by public alarm about immigration? And has the government actually solved the problem? Or are there many scandals unfixed?
Tonight we have gathered those directly affected, whose lives have been ruined, together with leading politicians, campaigners and thinkers, And we'll be live in Jamaica. What does it say about us? This Britain?
This was no mistake, this was intentional. Why were records/paperwork destroyed by the Home Office? This is highly unusual
Absolutely! its inhumane and a subtle form of genocide . yes I said it!
Very well said Kat that was very well said dear👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽✅✅✅you are so right👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽🥰🥰🥰
@@naturerazzi7shi495 do you know what the word genocide means? Clearly not
@@jamiejosh96 everyone should know what genocide means , its not rocket science ...thats for sure. but who evented all that in the first place ....one has to think huh...
@@rankingtee8693 who invented what? Genocide….
60 years of life in Britain, a huge contribution of both economic and cultural, and a clear British identity ,being ignored is NOT A SIMPLE MISTAKE.
100%
Agree!!
Their contribution to British society is debatable. Whether they like it or not they were never invited here . Came here because the Jamaicans didn’t want them they had no work for them. We didn’t want them but they were allowed to come in. The trouble is history gets twisted as time goes on. And from the minute they stepped foot off their boat all they’ve ever seem to do is Play the victim people are sick to death of it. They need to realise people have got their own worries without pitying them all the time.
There has been no economic benefit from having them in Great Britain black Caribbean culture white people are not interested in it. I know Britain doesn’t want them but to try and get rid in a sneaky way that’s wrong.
It is not just the £1200 fees, but one also have to provide 3 months income statement.
rik indehood but remember 'income' is also benefits. Benefits are counted as 'income' so if that is the case then many will be able to provide this also. One question though....if someone has not gained permanent residence in the UK how can they claim benefits in the UK anyway?? Full benefits, housing, disability, income support etc??
The Jamaican Gov should ensure that these countries robbing the best talents pay into the training and development funded by the Gov...No Nursing Partnership without mutual respect
My mantra: Go where I am wanted. I refuse to spend a dollar in the economy that enslaved us for so many years.
That's a very good mantra to have.
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Don't go to Africa or Portugal then
Reese-Mogg, it was brought to his attention by an Australian two years ago. As a Tory MP how come he knows nothing about his own party's immigration policy? I'm all astonishment.
Keep talking David lammy and everyone else, you're doing the right thing by fighting this absolute outrage. Keep doing what you are doing until justice has been served.
Lammy should get Joanna lumley on board.
Lammy should spend the time talking about UK Born Black people none representation in UK society and racist set ups like the BBC not one black program on BBC1,yet they are made to pay for their the BBC racism
I don't give a damn about Windrush or anyother rush, am interested in UK born black people getting proper representation in the UK
@@xAce99x Those born here to non-white parents are the most ostracised group. See how those daughters were discarded, at the start of the vid. And many others.
It's a shame the 'hostile environment' isn't towards trouble makers, rather than hard-working respectable people.
I have been living in Britain for more than twenty years and I've been living in this long dream from which I've rudely awakened into a nightmare.
You're living someone else's dream mate.
This is deeply shameful. I thought this kind of nonsense only happened mostly in America. I feel bad for these people. The British Empire then and the country now only know how to use people to benefit themselves.
Norfolk212 , Britons didn’t want immigration in the first place the government allowed it without the will of the people , get your facts straight.
Norfolk212 it was the British empire that ended slavery... maybe you should actually learn about the empire before you decide to call it all oppressive and racist.
Mr Man You clearly have no idea how our parliamentary system works.
Norfolk212 this nonsense is everywhere it just involves people who aren't black
Norfolk212 the British Empire was admired by the world and did a LOT more good than it did harm.
Glad the Windrush Generation is fighting this.
englishgal234 they thought they could do this quietly and get away with it.
Go,bro,uk,racist,Country
Antonio Monteiro Some are racist. The U.K. is still a lovely area of the world. Good to see blacks and whites uniting against racism.
andrew chambers No need for that. The Windrush generation are hard working.
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I lost my sister to cancer last October, a few months before she died whilst being very sick, she had to travel to Liverpool to get a biometric card for her leave to remain. My sister had been in this country since 1960, she had worked all her life from the age of 15 (including a long period for the NHS) and gave many years of her life helping disadvantage children...but this country treated her this way, telling her she wasn’t welcome here. I was finished after that, even though I was born in England in 1962 it was always made clear to me as a child that I wasn’t wanted here....that was confirmed with this scandal.
So sad to feel this way I can relate the feeling of not being wanted 💔
That’s sickening. If you did leave I hope you’ve found peace elsewhere… just know that even though those pompous idiots in office and government didn’t appreciate your sister , the patients and people she helped definitely did.
it saddens me
We still dont want 😊you 😂
David Lammy u absolute legend!! Thank you! 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Africa is very beutiful comtinent and we have a big land that can fit all of us so come back home we still love you, you guys are our flesh and blood, am so sadden by your story.
@Joy Joy no there were kings and queens.
@Joy Joy jamaica is not the same as it was back then.
That's so nice of u.. thank u 😊
Africa sold our ancestors into slavery via tribalism
Joy Joy Jamaica is their home. Africans sold our ancestors into slavery. We are never going back to XENOPHOBIA
I got the "hospitality" treatment at immigration in Heathrow when I got sent to my employer's London office for temporary duty. Immigration lady grilled me for half an hour insinuating that my visa was fake and my passport was dubious. I told her if she couldn't understand why I was sent, she can ask my employer. Got detained some more in a room with people of color waiting to be deported. Finally got allowed into the country after an hour. Think I got to the hotel at 1am.
Appalling
The people in the comments talking about Britain is a white nation clearly missed the reconstruction of the first Britain. As dark as night. Therefore colour doesn't determine who's British.
Those people from the Windrush generation helped rebuild Britain. A nation bombed after a catastrophic war with Germany would have turned into a failed state. What's the difference between the Congo and Britain? One got international help both financially and in terms of man power, and the other got no help. Now one is thriving as one of the main powers and the other is in a state of constant war.
But hey it's the way of the British Empire. Use then spit out people, first slavery then colonialism and now this.
Cheddar man is a hoax.
Abdi Ahmed
What do you mean? Britain is a white nation, native Brits are white, they are a white country, the Brits rebuild the nation after WW2 the windrush generation just was a little help. Britain is a nation built by Brits and for Brits, that's their only home on Earth,
What's wrong with trying to keep Britain white?
Britain is not a multicultural nation like the USA, and it should stay like that.
CRIS WTF 34 Britain may have been white for a few thousand years but the first person on this land was black. Therefore saying it's a white nation and non whites should go home makes no sense.
If the Windrush generation and others didn't come to Britain, it wouldn't be what it is today. They were a lot more than a little help.
Genghis Khan Firstly the Cheddar man was black, dark skin is black. His skin wasn't tanned but dark. You can go to East Africa and find people with straight hair. Even Australian Aborigines have straight hair. And his straight hair was probably an adaptation of living in Europe for thousands of years. The lack of vitamin D eventually turned people like Cheddar man white.
As for the Arab slave trade, I'm well aware. It was around long before the Trans Atlantic slave trade. However the latter was a million times worse. People were stripped of their names, religions, culture and it still affects people today.
There was no man power available from people who went to Australia and America because they bottled it. They want seeking new lives and the likes of the Windrush generation did the work. How many British women went to America with American soldiers? And foreign aid is the biggest con. Western nations steal trillions annually in raw materials and food, then give a few million as aide to government officials who won't share it. Then gullible people like you think you're tax is being given to people too lazy to work.
CRIS /34 WTF are you talking about,nations are not races,they are bits of land that are made up of many different peoples with origins from all over.A white nation?There’s no such thing!Britain has been a multi cultured country for CENTURIES!The Roman Empire was famous for the hugely diverse members of the empire that included peoples of ALL skintones & backgrounds & they are far from a rarity throughout human history on this planet.
it seems like racism to me. Against mostly black people that helped to build their country
Look Britian is fine...it has some issues with government incompetence thats all.
Simplification..do you understand the trauma these people have endured as planned by the Tory Gov?
For goodness sake, its not racism, just government incompetence. Wish people would stop making this about race. Concentrate on the fact that people were accidentally picked on for no reason, nothing else!
@@nunyvanstta135 Well if it isnt racism what else is that ...nothing else to which you refer....lool ...it didnt happen to Australians and Canadians though!
The scandals of today are rooted in the secrets of yesterday
In leaving aside 2019 spare a thought for 1999, the year Sister Souljah published her "The Coldest Winter".
Channel 4 hosted "A Blagger's Guide To Black History."
It was also the year the BBC aired the documentary, "Playing The Race Card" detailing policy that was to impact upon us. It revealed that in The 1950s a Secret Civil Service Committee was established and that it "made the case for controls." Its complete title "Working party to report on the growing social and economic problems ariising from the influx into the United Kingdom of Coloured Workers from other commonwealth countries" (August 3 1955)
In Unwanted: The Secret Windrush Files (2019), David Olusoga exposed the makings of the "hostile environment." In May 1947 The kingston Governor sent a telegram to the colonial office in Whitehall warning of the arrival. The Secretary of State was urged to do "everything possible to prevent the occurence." Even Pm Attlee referred to it as an incursion even suggesting they be diverted to east Africa to pick "ground-nuts." (By contrast an April 1947 document revealed how EVWs were warmly welcomed in the thousands.) Immediately upon arrival Mps wrote the PM weary this influx would "impair the harmony, strength and cohesion" and sought to "control immigration"
In January 7 1955, The Spectator reported on "The Jamaican Flood." Ten days later British pathe aired "Our Jamaican Problem." This came within the context of the 1948s British National Act, and 1951 when Churchill lead the Conservatives back before raising immigration questions to his cabinet in 1952. They set up this working party and further claimed these immigrants were coming to steal dole money (State Assistance.) In June 1953 officials were informed to conduct a Secret race survey to gather statistics to evaluate this claim. It was only two weeks after Queen Elizabeth, Head of the Commonwealth had come to the throne. In 1956 health minister Enoch Powell visited Barbados to invite workers to the NHS but "the hospitality was soon replaced by hostility."
In 1952 the McWarren-Walter Act restricted access to the Farm Work Programme in the USA. In 1954 Constantine Leary highlighted exclusion in "The Colour Bar." In 1957 immigrants continued to be met by the White Defence league culminating in the 1958 Notting Hill clashes. 1962 Commonwealth Immigrants Act of Harold Mcmillan looked to control immigration on the basis of employment prospects. Rab Butler opined "the great merit of this scheme is that it can be presented as making no distinction on grounds of race or colour although in practice" this discretion would be applied. He continued "We must recognise that although the scheme purports to relatively solely to employment and be non-discriminatory, it's aim is entirely social and it's restrictive effect, is intended to, and would in fact, operate on coloured people almost exclusively."
In 1962 Jamaica and Trinidad were granted independence, as was Barbados in 1966. In 1965 Race Relations Act was passed (amended in 2000, the year Damiola Taylor was stabbed.) In 1967 CARD petitioned to have the Minstrel Show (1958-78) pulled from air. In the 70s it was just one of the shows provoking race alongside Mind Your Mouth and Love Thy Neighbour. In 1968 the emergency commonwealth immigrants act was passed to curb British passport holding Kenyans. It was amended when the 1971 Immigration Act "marked the end of black immigration for settlement" demanding people be burdened to prove that they are British: "but in the meantime, life went on." In 2014 Lunar House formalised the hostile environment. "...yet here we are fighting to breathe, just to prove that we have the right to breathe."
"...after 51 years they're going to grant me something you were legally entitled to."
It is about time to talk about the racism in England....
spiceboxify what the same racism that ended slavery.
it never ended...just shifted...seems like u proud of it
rubbish if you think brits are racist spend a day in AMerica
Who started slavery, had to finish it, its logic. Slavery ended because it was hard to control it after war, not because English Empire became angels all of sudden and realised not good to use someone who is not capable to defend themselves. But if I was black, I would rather fight and die than be slaved for 400 years. Because wars and invasions has been happening everywhere. Its all about who is strongest.
spiceboxify ,yes against whites.
Definitely about race
Ghana need to step up and help us to get together with our African ancestors.How and why are we not pushing more for the returns of our valuable front the thieves and scoundrel?.? The queen before her her Elizabeth liviñg on our AFRICAN BACKS,
''People don't want to see how the sausages are made, but its all coming out now''. Satbir Singh. Brilliant contribution!
Shame the information is false, they wasn’t invited. That’s a fact
i WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT EVERY SINGLE SOLDIER FROM THE NEPALESE GURKHA REGIMENT WERE GIVEN BRITISH PASSPORTS AND CITIZENSHIP!!!!!
After alot of campaigning & new coverage, it didn't come automatically.
It was done as a promise, for their years of service and lives lost
everyone as far as i nk orlando that is from the commonwealth where entitled to this, no ifs or buts,
absolutely. the only difference is that those from the caribbean had to apply. The Nepalese soldiers didnt even have to apply.
Joanna lumley should get on the back of this too.
My sister used to live next to a guy called Dexter Bristol. I remember his lights would always be out and he never came out his flat. Sometimes we would hear him move inside, so we knew someone was in there but he was as quiet as a mouse..darked out windows, electricity off, like he was hiding . At all times during the night strange men would come and knock at his door 1am, 2am, 5am, sometimes they would knock at my sisters asking questions.... this went on for years. We later found out Dexter was a windrush citizen, hounded by immigration, terrified to leave his home, so stayed inside as a recluse, rarely leaving, with no access to healthcare, threatened by the government ... Dexter died of a heart attack two years ago outside the flats.... the government killed him. Rest in peace Dexter... I’m so sorry we didn’t know your story, wish you would of knocked on the door. Pray you get some justice for this ❤️❤️ xxx
Kay Grouse , what a disgrace ! What a way to live, this makes me angry.
Thank you for sharing his story, so so sad he needed help and no one came RIEP Mr Dexter👊💔
You should have knocked on his door anyway 😡 quite clearly something wasn’t right for this man to stay inside all the time !!
So sad 😔 RIP 🙏🏾
Netflix UK's twitter account took me here and I'm very glad it did because this is disgraceful.
This should've been sorted years ago when the Windrush people should've been given British citizenship as soon as they got here.
Incompetence and the slide towards BREXIT are to blame. The voters are just as much to blame because we were the ones who voted for UKIP and then BREXIT and allowed this policy to happen.....
James Brown they could not been given British Citizen because they are British Jamaica was Colonised by British until August 6 1962 when they gain independent that's where the problem lies
Remember whoever were born before Jamaica gain independence in 1962 they were all British. They had a British Passport when they came here. That is why they were comfortable with their status.
Thought it would be brexit fault anything the remoaners can clutch at 😨😨😨
I was waiting for a remainer to comment and blame brexit for this...
James Brown whine.
Nothing new here. You are welcomed when we are in need. However, when we get up to speed, you are on your own.
The new face of modern day colonialism. Trying to regain the rails of the old glory days through a cheap labor force.
When were they needed?
Eastern European’s will be going through the same thing when the UK is completely out of the EU !! Who has the right passport , paperwork etc !!
@@EvanEvans9 After the 2nd world war !
@@thornbird6768 the Government offered Brits financial incentive to emigrate to Australia after WWII, google 'Ten Pound Poms', if people were needed to 'rebuild' the country why would the government encourage native Brits to move to Australia?
Why would Britain need people from the third world to help anyway? These people couldn't build a flourishing society in their home countries, why would they magically be able to 'rebuild' arguably the most successful nation in history? A tiresome argument.
They were not invited they just turned up without asking ..the British government did not know what to do with them.
I first learned about this on my visit to Grenada in 2016. I met 5 different, people who told me that they been deported just before the reached 65 and due to get their pension after having worked in England for 40/50 and paid taxes. So I started making phone calls and asking questions. Why was this happening. This was government policy not a mistake. The British government was deporting British citizens and claiming they were illegal immigrants.
Okay, that’s absolute bs, source?
Exactly, they brought them over as slaves to build the country and gave them very little and said go back now, disgusting.
I have so much respect for David Lammy- his passion and struggle to fight this is really inspiring. It is terrible that a country can treat its own like this.
Lammy is a pain.....
Lammy is a race agitator. He has no other agenda and has become tiresome.
Well said
My uncle lived in England until he die. He went to England on boat in the 60's from Guyana, he wanted us to go England but my aunts who lived in the U.S said no. They will have none of it. I never knew England was so hostile. Tears came to my eyes listen to this presentation. Immigration, the Home Office and the treatments of Caribbean folks is horrible, real horrible.
@@MrRollinsb I'm sorry but the UK is the most tolerant nation in the world and does not have the racial issues ingrained in US society. So your comment re US is more than a little ironic. This is more about over officious civil servants coupled with immigrants from the West Indies not ensuring their documentation was up to date and in good order. It is ridiculous that someone who has lived in the UK for 50 plus years would still be travelling on a non UK passport. There was greater number of immigrants coming in from the Indian sub continent and to my knowledge there have been no such issues in their communities. People have a responsibility to help themselves even if they need to jump through a few hoops to do so.
The Windrush generation may well have come over to help with essential services but they were also coming for a better way of life for themselves and their families. Being British is a privilege not an automatic right.
Boy, I'd love to be a fly on the wall after the camera's went off
The Most High Is On His Way Back. He asked let my people go they didn't so get ready to pay the price.
Nope and sadly some others with the Stockholm syndrome gone be crying too
This was started by Margaret Thatcher way back in the 1970s. I had already left Britain then, and was thinking of returning. I resided in Britain since age 15 years, until age 30.
As a British citizen, I find this appalling, the Tories have systemically failed the British people over the years, they need to go.
These problems happened under Labour governments btw. 2006 and 2008 is when people were asked to leave
You lazy idiots can't do anything
It was labour who destroyed many of the records pertaining to people from the West Indies not the conservatives. Mrs Thatcher gave them 3 years to regularise their paper work - they have themselves to blame
@Peter Atkin ALL the Governments failed us. This wasn't just a Tory thing. They ALL participated. Why are you surprised? White people have never been for us. Their purpose was ALWAYS how they could exploit and gain from us.
You did not watch this vid
They don’t want to go home 😂😂😂
The hostile environment was largely in response to Central and Eastern European presence in the UK. They may not be visible, as suggested, but they are marked out by accent and language. I am half Polish btw and stand with the Windrush generation, and all Commonwealth folks who are in this situation.
Joseph J are you half polish half cleaner?
Joseph J why do you think British people should except the destruction of their culture?
edmund184 dude it’s accept to except
edmund184 I mean accept not except
Peter Rabin class a idiot
So use them, and then throw them away? What is going on.
so glad channel 4 allows comments but the itv won’t. Danny Lammy made very good points.
From start to finish, it take about £12,000 minus legal fees to become a British citizen.
MY MOTHER WAS GRENADIAN WHO GAVE BIRTH TO ME IN UK IN 1966. I'M PISSED OFF...
Since the windrush generation came from the Caribbean, To united kingdom, To work and settle in the UK, The white British "Tolerated" Black's that doesn't mean they like us or for multicultural society. I am 2nd generation Jamaican, Born & ,bread in uk. I never see myself as British Black theirs know such thing. I see myself as black Caribbean descent working and living in united kingdom. For so long Caribbeans in UK have been under the radar, To comfortable being British. The illusion of inclusion, Wake up call we where never seen as British and never will harsh reality for most, Spots never change a British empire who ruthlessly conquered alot of countries, And stole their wealth, Is going to change a leopard never changes its spots.
This comment is the best comment on here. He is so right!
Lamy,Good,Man,look,for,European,poeple,
Very true
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Agreed
I am happy that David Lammy added that the other commonwealth countries should always be mentioned and not just the Carribeans....it's a pity and a big shame that the blacks never fight together...that's why they never take us seriously.....
divided we fall 😞
I think there's a huge disconnect in collective conciousness with our history and how we got to present day world order. I certainly dont remember being taught anything about British slave trade at school. Everything I no I've taught myself through a need to understand the present world. Most citizens of all countries are delluded to the reality of their past. We are only taught what image is wanted to project. This windrush scandal is a glitch in that matrix.
Who invented slavery? Egyptians? Babylonians? Not Europeans.
THANK YOU! So many suffer from historical amnesia due to a malnutritious curriculum.
Does it really matter?
Farquhar Smith P
Its not about the inventors its about the THINKING to USE IT...No nation exists in a static state things change..THINKING changes...
Britain became more enlightened and aware to the sins of EMPIRE building....hence Wilberforce and many others before him thought of slavery as EVIL ..so time to change..like the Romans and the Egyptians,Persians etc ITS CALLED enlightenment.
WTF!!! So what do these kids birth certificate say - this is apartheid
Thanks for showing your ignorance of history. Your comparison to apartheid is incorrect and offensive to everyone who genuinely faced it
This is a well documented, well orchestrated, amazing debate. Kudos to the narrator as well. The group present are incredibly knowledgeable, eloquent speakers and remained extremely caring in their presentations despite personal situations, history and maltreatment. May true justice rule - not just agonizingly slow governmental mandates. LOVE IS THE ONLY ANSWER.
The windrush was very deceitful. What a painful thing to watch the abuse of human beings. The disrespect full-blown usery, the windrush was a weapon of destruction of a race of people.
This is discusting behaviour from the government
I just paid 4594 in immigration fees and haven't heard anything from them yet....I'm from a commonwealth country. My gran was part of windrush and is still alive and residing here
Francisca Estephane Contact them if you haven't already. Contact The Guardian as well.
That is disgusting that is the amount of rent we pay in10 months times. You are being robbed my God help you guys!
That is disgusting. I'm so sorry you're being treated so badly x
Please seek a refund. This situation is being rectified for free. Take care
Nat Ringler , it’s not for free it’s us tax payers who are fronting it you fool.
My parents were invited to come. They were the Windrush generation. I was born in UK. Am I going to be pushed to a country I have never even been to, who will not accept me, to become homeless and stateless? Why has it taken so long for the government to see this problem?
You (and I) might be better off in our parents country, if they accept us. I don't think those born in the UK with foreign parents have a life/future here. Like those 2 daughters in the vid.
So that’s false then? If they was wind rush they wasn’t invited to come. Please do your history, it was a private venture. Feel free to look it up
@@PhysicsEnemy 😂😂how deluded can you be. Feel free to live in a much poorer society if it frees you of the false victimhood
Nasty supramacy would not even let the women go with to her own mums funeral
DISGUSTING
I AM DONE WITH THIS COUNTRY AND I HOLD AND I WAS BORN IN BRITIAN AND LIVED HERE ALL MY LIFE.
UTTER SHAMEFUL AND DISGUSTED
This is a disgrace.
David May God bless you , you are really defending the black race brother .
Its not only Windrush. My sister met her African American GI husband when he was based in the UK. He worked here for 30 years. He paid his taxes and his four children were born here. It was only after being diagnosed with terminal cancer that he started getting harassed by the Home Office with threats of sending him back because according to them he had no legal status here; even though he and his family had, had many holidays in America and returned to the UK without a problem.
So at end of life he was treated like some illegal alien. The Home Office gained access to his medical records and even got in contact with the hospice to find out if he was well enough to fly back to the U.S
That's pure evil
sickens me
My son was born in England, I'm jamaican his passport cost over one thousand pounds while a standard child passport cost £49. still wondering why.
Loving this one thanks for sharing very information blessed love to all knowledge is power hopefully everyone pays attention keep up the good work just give everyone their credit and respect that they deserve 🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲
Thanks for the upload. We are praying for the immigrants all over the world. Just remember when you all brag about being born in England just remember where your heritage are coming from. Remember what Thatcher had said also, that you all are not British. Oh, I live on North American Continent and I hear everything.
The British government did offer citizenship in the early 80’s. My grandfather that went to the U.K. in the 60’s couldn’t read or write received his citizenship. This is what the family was afraid off. The church played a big part in the congregation getting citizenship. I feel that a whole lot of people are putting the blame on the government when it was them that were too laid back. Then again the home office was in the town we lived in also. There Is blame on both sides. Listening to these stories are heart breaking.
sharon031689 I hear you and feel for these people but why have they waited so long to regularise their situation ? I think the gentleman who spoke in the beginning is prime example: hes been given a number and email yet he wants to be contacted, not the other way around. Despite that I am glad the gov has promised to rectify the situation for free. Please folk, get right this time round!
So why are they saying that they have British citizenship but are being deported. Are they lying?
i agree with you on that also, but not solely, remembe alot of our elders couldnt read and write so that sie is a part they never had realy addressed so them and there younger generation was all upto date . on the flip side alot of the people that run this place also knew that many jamaicans where iliterate so tey could also ge away with alot TRUSS ME ON THAT PART
Same for my dad
I agree with you the BBC told people in the 80s that they had to sort the paper work out because the records system might change. My mother then made sure she got a passport sadly it seems many people missed that broadcast by the BBC on behalf of the gov in the 80's
This is absolutely terrible, I cannot even visualise the Uk, with its sound education and people would throw empathy out the window!!!!?Oh I cannot contain myself.It is the Government which is right at the centre of all this.What else can one say really?
The unjust treatment of the 'Windrush children' is a defining moment in the history of race relations in Britain. British society prides itself on tolerance and the acceptance of diversity into the mainstream, when they're really acting on pretense. I'm just so appalled, may God bless these torn families.
It was deliberate why did the now priminister shred the records of the windrush citizens in order to make it harder for them to become permanent British citizen
Btw I noted JRM sitting in the crowd but guess what He voted for this and this is on public record so yer nice of him to be so outraged..
So sad to see this. Respect to all windrash people. I'm from Latvia. I came to UK 2010. Now brexit, I apply for settled status and now I have it. But I have no any card to prove it. I know Britain's history. And after I see all this, just feel - my day will come....... :(
it's very sad and shameful seen African craving to be British, I am proudly African. We have plenty of land for you all here in Africa.
The windrush people were Caribbean not African.
The Windrush Generation and all their descendants should have British Citizenship without question. I hope that BAME peoples will be able to claim U.K. citizenship.
White man with forked tongue....
Why are the fees soooo expensive and where is this money going?
We want compensation
Backbencher trying to capitalize on the moment. Is the Arab, Asian and Spanish woman part of the Windrush generation, NO. We must not let others tag on to issues that pertain to us! Wake up. They are against us. The guy in the black cap understands, "We were invited here."
All BAME should push for UK citizenship, together, each individual.
We should not have come, just let the economy collapse. You will never learn.
Britain's economy is going to collapse, it's already over according to the economist. There is no unity.
Your people are the ones with the neanderthal DNA according to your scientists, which explains your actions.
ALL TRUTH.
Woow! A lot of you don’t even know your own history. That’s mad shameful.
not as shameful as coming to another’s country and moaning about it like Pretentious cunts but hey everyone’s fucked up right
Lord Caedus
Loool it’s clear you don’t know your history either. Black African and Caribbean people were asked by the British to come to the country. To fight for the country in world wars. They were promised citizenship. People laid foundations here, had kids. Generations of families flourished. And for the British government to now turn around and try to deport those same people to a land they don’t remember or have any ties to is disgusting and quite frankly embarrassing for a country that everyone says is “tolerant”. Please pick up a book and learn your history. I have x
Government should be taken to court
Leroy! Serving in the Britain's army dies on duty in N/Ireland, will Charles Bury Leroy as a British soldier, who gave his life for King and Country...
Jamaicans could have stayed in Jamaica and made that Country great. Instead we are in love with the COLONIZERS land. Sick, sick. WAKE UP JANAICANS YOU ARE AFRICANS, NOT BRITISH
No one is in love with anyone. 9/10 white Englishmen and women would love to move to Australia or Canada for better life. This is what humans do.
I live in Malta, where many British people come to live...You are British, not Maltese...WAKE UP!!! British,get out!!!!!
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@@milamaletska4535 Malta was OWNED by the UK the people don't go out there looking for opportunity, they go out there for the luxury of the weather and Mediterranean lifestyle. These people are already secure they aren't desperate like Carribeans escaping poverty thinking everything will be fine because their masters gave them a free boat trip. The British are a pride little island that took over the world, they aren't going to go and give away all they fought for for free.
British born Caribbeans the majority are in love with the Ex slave master, Massa, The uk made serious wealth from slaves brought to Jamaica from africa by the British , They Shipped Rum, Sugar, Etc to United kingdom and marked up the prices 5*. They made huge profits too boost the British economy ,The majority of Caribbeans living in uk, Encounter institutional racism, Lack of opportunities compared to their white counterparts. The British have taken know accountability or reparations of their part in slavery. All I here they abolished slavery, Get over it.
Stop the hysteria and let's make this right.
Stop the hysteria??
If YOU had been invited here, built a future here, worked here, had children here, own property here and was made to believe YOU had a right to live here by the 'Mother Country'...then have YOUR world turned up side down with deportation papers after living here for years, then maybe, just maybe, YOU would be hysterical.
English Institutional Racism..
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Take your activist tendencies where the sun doesn't shine. 🤣
all this back and forth instead of giving them citizenship
Very enlightening!
The toff is so "Owwww..vary shimeful". Seriously respect to him, for speaking up.
Why is Rees Mogg here. He is really reaching isn’t he, hoping to become prime minister. Please don’t be fooled by him
He done a good contribution
I dunno, the Tories discovered the existence of this debate at the 11th hour and scraped the bottom of the barrel in order to find someone that could represent them.
Jacob Rees-Mogg must have known. He didn't hesitate to mention his family had been here for thousands of years. He referred to a need for compassion which is spin. The need is for justice. He is still talking about passport fees. They should automatically be given passports immediately.
Home office is collecting money NOT fixing the problem. Military service and have pay for his passport?
UK has a race problem
The windrush generation and their families have every right to stay in this country, they helped build it so they can stay, they have every right to.
Build what?
"'...and in the midst of it all, the crown is seeking 'fresh meat' from within the former colonies" ...Geesh!!!
It amazes me that this one on in the 21st century crazy!
Sometimes I get tired of people banging on about racism. But the treatment of the Windrush generation has made me ashamed and angry., These people are as British as me.
No they are not! Do they look like you? If they do you're not British either.
s gf You racists get up so late and grumpy.
E. B. C. Don't be ashamed it wasn't the British public who did this... it was our so called representative's that did this both labour and tory and not the people.
s gf just because you're a Englishmen doesn't make these people any less British. I for one are proud of our commonwealth brothers and sisters that have fought and contributed to this nation. You claim to be someone who so proud of being "British" yet you hate those who identify with our values and traditions... its doesnt matter if you're a Englishmen, Jamaican, Nigerian or Indian we judge you by your ideas and opinions that's the whole point of being British to have an identity not through race but through values.
S GF...dont go by looks numpty. i have family members who look more white that you probably do and they have black grandfather.you would never know
This is mortifying. How can this be going on in 2018???
I am a daughter of Windrush generation and this really upset me a lot.
Shame on Britain
I deserve every right to become a British citizen.Time is now.
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The UK recruited nurses from the West Indies, in doing so taking away the trained individuals FROM those countries. Educated people came over from there and because of racism couldn't get work commensurate with their level of education. I know, because my dad was one of them.
The white author who has never experienced racism in his life is telling a group of black when racism does or not not occur. I hope he’s watching this now realising he couldn’t have been more wrong.
Right?! I couldn't believe he had the gall to spew such nonsense!
These are not immigrants, they are citizens.
The actions of the UK government in regards to the Windrush situation is no less than persecution of vulnerable people.
It is clear that what is occurring is blatant and aggressive HARASSMENT.
But no lawyer seeks to file a collective injunction against the administration
The presumption of law is that an individual is innocent until proven guilty and yet, people are being detained for committing no crime, deported, threatened PERSECUTED, after legally establishing residency going back 40, 50 years.
Even a newly arrived resident has rights.
The government cannot seek to suddenly attack a particular group of citizens with no justification unless we now exist in a fascist state.
Is the British government a FASCIST government?
No one is above the law and that includes government officials and policy makers.
The governments actions in these cases is both immoral and in many cases, illegal.
Still the legal community takes no action.
One would expect to see cases being brought, injunctions being applied, personal suits for injury, filed, but no, just the constant cries and heart rending screams of a group of citizens, fearful and suffering from the attack of a brutal regime administering policies born of pure hatred.
Any objective observer, looking at the actions of the government and its administrators can clearly see that this has all been contrived and carried out by intent, with malice aforethought by those that have sworn to uphold the rights of citizens and provide them with protection.
It is almost too disgusting, too offensive, to be believed.
It is no wonder that young people have taken to walking around carrying big knives to protect themselves, given the actions of those who are sworn to protect them.
Mental cruelty, physical detainment, spiritual oppression, unfair treatment and psychological abuse - disguised as government policy
The government is in effect turning these people into refugees and then stranding (as in leaving them stranded), in a place that is all but alien to them, with no means of support., at 60, 70 years old.
One might be forgiven for assuming that whoever is running this show, is not of human origin...
The only scandal, is they turn up here univited and expect to be treated like "God's gift to Britain" which they certainly arn't
If I may ask, who were you referring to?
This whole situation is just so sad
Governments who allow racism should be sued in a "class action", held accountable and made to pay punitive damages to every single person who has been damaged by this heinous conduct and warped mind set.
David lammy is a king 👑
They have to make space for other people who want to get in...
My mother is a British citizen because she sorted out her papers in the 1990s and she sorted out my Grandad aswell before he left this world.
When that guy talks about EU migrants being the people “we fought against”, completely wrong. We fought against the Germans. We didn’t fight against the French, we didn’t fight against the Polish. Poles HELPED a the British fight for the Battle of Britain. I find this sad when immigrants target other immigrants.
The people of the European Union are not immigrants, Europe is one Land Mass, one European people, with different languages. Many of the European people coming into the UK was never seen as Immigrants. Thats why the British Government wanted to get rid of the Black people and their children, and replace them with white ones. But what happend the Europeans coming to the UK worked made enough money and many of them went back to their own country because they prefer their own way of life. So this is why they want to use the people of the Caribbean, to replace the Nurses, to use them like they used the ones of the past. 1st use them to help after WW2, use them to fight their wars trying to take over peoples countries, to recreate Conoliasim, they re named as the NWO they have been fighting for for centuries. Black people was warned after the Scarman report of the 1980's of Instititutional Racism, the WARNING was there all along. The Government has been complaining about Immigration for a long time, but while using immigration to win Election, using people of colour as their Political foot ball, The Labour Party do it, the Concertivatives do it, the Lib Dems do it, they all do it. They have used your lives to garantee their Political Pay check.
+maria610421 No. My mother, a Pole in the UK since the early 1990s is an immigrant.
Europe is NOT one people, not one person. It is a diverse continent. Diversity does not just mean skin colour.
As for this Windrush issue, who to blame? I would blame institutional racism primarily. Brits colonised the world and then treat the colonised as second class citizens.
To take the anger out on EU migrants, as some have, is counterproductive in the extreme.
Has my mother been treayed differently because she is not British? Absolutely.
Poles share European heritage with Britain, Africans are a totally different race who never invented a single thing. Not even the wheel.
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Actually you dont know much history if you think we haven't fought the FRENCH.
Terrible and shameful for them to do this to people...
Not sure why they not sorting the passport straight away..
Eternal victims.
nope not really....slavery for Africans is relatively new...the Romans had German slaves.And the Egyptian and Persians took slaves form everywhere.
This is a home office screw up nothing special...in the line of governmental screw-ups.
I agree with your first two sentences.