Also, I always test the CPU's with my Define R6's side panel off and my AC running the whole time holding the room to 24c. I didn't want to weigh in on Linus or OC3D's results/videos as I actually hate all the TH-cam drama stuff but they certainly had interesting results compared to the rest of us.
did you mess with the wattage in Intel Extreme Tuning software at all.. because Hardware Unboxed mentioned this in his review but no one is talking to me about it.. I've asked numerous youtubers and/or viewers why Hardware Unboxed mentioned this and showed this at all, as it was the first time I've ever seen anyone mess with the stock wattage of their CPU. so I'm questioned with the fact that is this common or not. i would like to know that if i get one down the road it will be ok at stock wattage to overclock. I've never seen a video on this let alone heard anyone ever talk about adjusting their stock wattage before.
i think its the Turbo PL2 TDP of 210w's that is the cause of all this. seems motherboards differ wildly on the auto turbo behaviors some never dropping to the PL1 of 95w and some do after around 22 seconds of stress.
@Buggsy81 he probalby did any power limit tuning in the bios itself. most of the stuff in intel extreme tuning is in the bios and certainly the power limits are. its just that the intel program looks better on video capture and is easier to capture and its a standard interface to make it easier for people to understand no matter what bios\board they have.
@chainsaw2010 some boards have the 95 watt limit on but turn it off when you turn xmp on cause they know you are going for top performance. or at least they raise the limit a lot. i got a cheap z370 board with an 8700k and it runs up to at least 200 watts when doing prime95 small ffts even with the power limit set to auto. most of the time my 8700k is at 5.1 ghz with voltage around 1.34 with an avx offset of 1. in any real world workload it does not go above 160 or so. small ffts is so unrealistic. you will never see it in real life anywhere. to be honest with my delidded chip 160w on a dual tower air cooler runs about 78c. the i9 with solder and a larger die would run cooler when at 160w im sure. 95w is nothing really and 160w is not that much either. a 2700x running with asus's pbo boost options (or around 4.3 or so manual oc) will run up to around 150w as well. 200w gets really hot with a dual tower cooler but i can run it without throttling but right at the edge of throttling with temps int he high 90's. if you get an i9 and set the sustained or maintained power limit (whatever your board calls it) to around 170w max and then set your all core turbo to 4.7 and maybe your 7 core turbo and up to 5ghz with an avx offset of 1 you will get 95% of the i9's performance in multithreaded task on a dual tower cooler (noctua dh 15 or dark rock pro4, but this is not the pro) and you will get about the same performance as an 8700k at 5ghz when gaming cause games dont use more than about 70w max 100. but power limit tuning will be just as important as voltage and clocks with this chip unless you go with a big boy watter cooler like a 280 or soemting. then you can just turn the power limit off and go to town as long as your board is up to it.
An awesome video. The difference could just be. From an “Air cooler to an AIO”. But you are right about us. Most of us out here. Will us an “Air tower” to keep the CPU cool. Keep up the great work. You, & your Cohost are Awesome.
England is safe too on our island, no killer insects (the Adder snake is the only "deadly" creature but is extremely rare and scared of humans) or animals, no crazy weather or natural disasters.
I have a Dark Rock Pro 4 and a 9700k and in OC the temps are still in the high 80s low 90s. These chips are straight heaters. So much for AMD "running hot"
They do, can you imagine how hot the 2700X would be if you could run it at your 9700k core speeds lol...not to mention the insane powerdraw it would need.
Well what the hell u running ur 9700k at? I got mines at 5ghz all 8 cores at 1.3vcore on a cryorig h5 ultimate and run in low to mid 70s on Asus realbench stress test and aida 64. Gaming I barely break 55c. Shits cool as hell
Good luck getting any Ryzen CPU anywhere close to 5GHz though. No such thing as free performance. You want 5GHz instead of 4GHz, especially on a CPU with already higher IPC? You get a hotter running CPU. Simple physics right? More instructions per clock, at a higher frequency = ??? No prizes for guessing that one.
my i7-4770K 4.8Ghz and hitting easy 98C temp on Prime 95 but in games just 60-85C temp (ekwb 140mm radiator) cpu fan max and pump max all the time and my room hitting up to 25C temp. my r5-1600X 4.2Ghz hit up to 109C temp in ai cooler (cooler master V8) now I using a ekwb 280mm radiator for my r5-1600X and hits 4.3Ghz with 95C max temp/gaming max 85C. I will never buy Intel and Amd again :P.
for 1.3 volts 91 c for the medium - not that heavy load aida still is very hot . so prime95 even the easiest one blend ( that is truly realistic and comparable with heavy multithread loads) is 100++ easy . plz redo starting with 4.7 grhz and manual voltage again and with each frequency 4.8ghrz - 4.9ghrz - 5.0ghrz with the manual voltage and any powerlimiter maxed out also plz redo with prime blend results.
I think Intel went for outright performance rather than efficiency on the 9900K - they could have easily clocked it at 4.3 - 4.7GHz like the 8700K and it would be a much cooler running CPU - at 4.7 - 5.0GHz it's running beyond its optimal efficiency curve and as a result you get these high temps. In a way Intel is almost 'pre overclocking' it for you out of the box. The downside is that there is limited headroom to overclock it further - even 5.1GHz is barely a 8.5% overclock. Intel is running this chip close to its limits at stock already.
Looks like the 9600k may end up being the CPU to watch. Still soldered, 6c/6t, those things should OC like beasts without instantly hitting insane temps. Still think I'll wait to see what Zen2 offers.
Has nothing to do with the silicone it is due to the height of the CPU this measuring 84mm. In addition, a too low heat spreader was installed which can not derive the waste heat. The I7-8700k was still 42mm high.
lumptoast You have to remove the cooler during changing/adding the ram to the slot, but otherwise its not blocking, so you can install it. You dont have to be concerned.
I'm helping build a friend a pc with a 9900k and a dark rock pro 4 cooler with thermal grizzly conductonaut liquid metal. This cpu just simply runs hot anyways. Under load or when playing games it runs in the 70's with fans set to auto in bios. And when they are set to full speed it sits in the 60's in games or under load.
The temperatures out the box aren't much different than they've ever been. I have a 9700k now but used to have a 4790k. Devil's Canyon was kind of similar because it was the last consumer architecture on that process. Similar to the 9900k this meant pushing the speeds and temps to the max. The 4790k boosted to 4.4 GHZ on only 4 cores 8 threads and ran pretty hot right out of the box. I eventually put a Custom Loop on it and would still reach the low 70's when overclocked to 4.8. I think Intel did a great job at upping the core count and raising the speed without dumping crazing heat. The 9700k performs MUCH better than the 4790k despite both having 8 threads.
I bet those giant hornets weren't in the travel brochure! I'd be interested to see how the 9900k at 5.1ghz did temps wise after an hr on AIDA. Would be nice to know if it ended up throttling on a 200w tdp cooler.
I think I'd invite all the skeet shooting teams to my house and say "if you shoot holes through the walls, make sure you at least hit those buggers!". But seriously, I would go full 12 gauge (or maybe make a flamethrower) and take those guys out, those things look mean! Even a tiny yellow jacket got me, and that was bad enough...
I think I'd invite all the skeet shooting teams to my house and say "if you shoot holes through the walls, make sure you at least hit those buggers!". But seriously, I would go full 12 gauge (or maybe make a flamethrower) and take those guys out, those things look mean! Even a tiny yellow jacket got me, and that was bad enough...
Run the 9900k at the same clocks as the 2700x and c the difference in cooling... 16 threads running at 5.0ghz will no doubt run hot... If the 2700x could reach 5.0ghz im pretty sure it will run just as hot...
I think the high Temperatures of this CPU are a symptom of two main things. One is that the Coffee Lake architecture was never originally designed for such a high core-count, and Intel have essentially just jammed in two extra cores in order to achieve core-count parity with AMD. The other (somewhat related to the first) is that they have not compromised on core speed. In fact they have pushed core speeds even higher. The net result is you have a very hot CPU that is pretty much on the absolute limits of what it was designed to support. I'm of two minds about this. I think Intel did what they felt they needed to do in order to respond to the very real competition they now face from AMD, but as a product I'm over all not impressed. I think this is a CPU for enthusiasts only, people who know what they are getting into and want the very best in performance. I think more regular users are far better off staying with the 8 series as they offer a far more "turn key" experience and can run just fine with run-of-the-mill cooling solutions, even with some moderate over clocking. looking further ahead, I hope Intel are very busy getting their die shrink sorted out, because I think Ryzen 2, when it comes out, will be a much better proposition for the main-stream market. I think the advantage they have is that Ryzen was designed form the ground up for high core counts. Yes it needs fast memory, but with that concession aside, I think Ryzen offers more headroom for future growth whereas Intel need to start looking for other ways forward that don't just include pushing the clockspeeds higher and higher on their existing architecture.
Intel has had large core counts on their Xeon's for the past 10 years, just not running at insane clock speeds of up to 5ghz. Hoping for similar performance/core counts at far lower temperature in the next generation Intel Icelake/10nm chips.
Reviewers need to start showing bios settings.There's too many important settings (LLC, AVX offset) that drastically impact temps and skew benchmarks. Heck, most reviews don't even show what voltage they are running.
@@Tallnerdyguy It does not matter much at how much watts manufacturers rate their coolers at. What really matters is how it performs in real life. I have looked at several benchmarks, and the NH-D15 performs the best.
my stock 9900k iis running 80c during premiere pro rendering. with 120mm dual fan cooler. I don't think i'll ever going to overclock this crap. Can't upgrade 240mm cooler case design can't take it
Unless you're believing the rubbish numbers from LTT the only variation in temps on this chip are between the 8th Level of Hell hot and the 9th. Also, that DR4 cooler is nowhere near as good as the Noctua NH-D15.
Bequiet coolers are generally the best except installation process. Even though Noctua will be one or two db lower than BQ. The noise coming out of Noctua is worse than BQ in terms of pleasantness.
N. I. Anecdotal at best. Check the manufacturers webpage, it’s like 36mm which is not much clearance and several limited the DDR4 choices that would fit. It’s the main reason I switched to an AIO this build. My last build, the 2600k platform, I used the NH-D14 and it was a issue then too
Anecdotal at best? What am I, a fucking database? Of course it's anecdotal, I am guy that uses a D15 and have no issues with any ram module. Grow up asshole.
I had never even seen one in my life before, so it was literally the first time I ever saw one and I got stung by it, the burning sensation you get is super bad.
In Stock speeds it seems to be OK, my 8086K with custom loop runs in seventies in AIDA64, but 91 degrees on 5.1GHz, it is too much. I would definitely delid it.
Could you try run a component stress test with the program: Y Cruncher. And perhaps log temp too. It test more than the cpu only. This program really shows if i have a stable overclock on my ryzen 1700X. Btw i have the Bequiet dark rock 3 cooler :)
I dont understand why clock the monster so high if its hittin max the cpu runs real good the max clock is prob like 4.4 or 5 im saying max as far as stable but dont gota clock it at all it runs great without one just overpriced 2 cheaper xeons will do the same thing
Love I9 9900k processor, z390 mb but processor runs too hot. For now until i can get a better cpu cooler fan i had to go in bios, reduce cpu voltage, reduce active cores from 8 to 4, disable hyperthreading and run all fans 100%. oh.. and replace thermal gel. Its a shame you buy a 1800 dollar pc and have to replace the the crap they built it with. Live and learn. Love the video dude.
Too late I already bought the pure rock back in July. It's a little brother of the Dark Rock 4, but then again I'm running the 2600x so I've never seen it struggle with my cpu at all and it's... quiet! It was more a video about coolers than about the 9900k hahahaha But enjoyed it nonetheless Do you think you got a golden 9900k?
I need help guys, i have a deepcool tesseract bf case, is it good enough for i9 9900k ? and second will my i9 9900k be safe to overclock in this deepcool tesseract case i have ?!
I have Dark Rock 4 Pro, basically the same cooler as the one in the video just with another fan inside and maybe a bit more mass, and I temps are way hotter than the ones you are getting and that's just with 4.8 Ghz all cores, I don't ever get 5 Ghz all cores, I'll maybe see it on 1 or 2 cores.
I got the impression that most reviewers used 1.350 vcore in order to standardise their benchmarks. I think that most cpus should be capable of sustaining high clock speed with a bit less voltage if fine tuned properly. Still for 5.1 GHz 1.300v you do have a very good sample. BTW get well soon man. That is a hell of a huge hornet. What does it eat? Birds?
As always, hope you recover fast from that flying dinosaur that bit you... When I was in Taipei they did warn me about those things but I thought it was some urban myth. From now on, I'd carry a pump action shotgun at all times ;) Now, on with the show: - There are 3 versions of that program, I would like to know the version those Australian shills, which are far worse than LTT, used on the Intel. Also, why do they show some graphs with Intel and its main "rival" and other graphs with just Intel CPUs? Anyway, I'm done with those shills who present less information on their methodology than LTT did, and was crucified for. Clickbait very rapidly turns against those who abuse it... Dance with the Devil... - Intel and their "rival" have many different ways of abording thermals and the margins the CPU has to "stretch its legs". I set all my limits for Intel CPUs at 85C, and never exceed 1.38v. - Running on an Asus ROG Mobo with the Noctua NH-D15S, I got temps in hour-long runs of OCCT inferior to 85C, with two cores at 5.1 and the rest at 5.0, using 1.34v. After watching some idiotic videos, I decided to have a dinner with overtime ;) and just left it running... A few hours later it still hadn't reached 85C, which is the limit at which point I have the program crash, even though Intel stipulates a much higher temperature. Let us get things straight, "Auto Mode" should never be used... People who know what they are doing do runs "at stock" to determine which are their best scores, this information is available with various programs, including AIDA, Sandra, and OCCT (which gives you an average for each core). After that, each core is manually overclocked, the constant voltage is set for the CPU, the memory timings are perfected, and the proper cooling curve is also manually set... That's how massive OCs are obtained. Unlike its "rival", which doesn't OC (or the gain is so minimal to be negligible), and that's perfectly fine, it's their philosophy after decades of nonexistence, Intel permits a huge OC sealing. Every Intel generation, since the 900 series, has always had similar temperatures. Now, what I think the Australian Shills did was hammer the CPU with a certain version of AIDA, they should know not to use, which is not used for the regular user/gamer/small content creator, either that or they are incompetent OCs, or they just made the numbers up, which is what they did in my personal opinion. The temperatures you got are the sort of temperatures I would expect using the cooler you did... Don't get me wrong, for the price it is a fabulous cooler but it is no Noctua. In extreme tests temperatures of around 85C are perfectly normal for all Intel CPUs running above 1.32v. Anyway, I see Taiwan is being mean to you. All the best, and I hope you settle in soon... The humidity of those places, Cheers.
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Since the 9900K has been out for a while now, I wish the tech reviewers thay did videos in that CPU temps would do videos on 9900K lifespan/deterioration.
PLEASE DO A NEW EPISODE ON THE 9700K/9900K THERMAL BENCHMARKS. The forums are filled with people just wanting a 8 core cpu running at stock using an air cooler. NOBODY has a cpu air cooler video on these 2 cpu's in a proper air cool friendly case! Please help us Obi1.
Yes I think is because of the cores and the high frequency, if Ryzen can do 5.1 ghz 😎😎 it gonna be something like you need liquid nitrogen cooler🤣🤣🤣 so basically yes... it's not a bad cpu, just to much power (500 hp engine with air cooler)
@@hypershadow5gthat was a joke (sarcasm) bro😊 anyway the stability can be fixed with higher voltage, but with ryzen is...probably communism sounds more possible😂😂😂
@@hitleposixv167 Unless you're willing to push like 1.8v, that's not possible. The thing is, Ryzen has a poor voltage curve that spikes up when you push the clock speeds around 4GHz on first gen ans 4.2GHz on second gen. It is a silicon limitation, maybe a better node could fix that, let's not forget that Intel's 14nm+++ is way denser and maturer than GloFo's 12nm.
Eh it's not crap it just has a crap price. It is 15-20% faster than a 2700X but costs around double the price+$50-$100 for a cooler+ more expensive board if you want decent VRMs that will allow it to hit the high clocks you are paying for without throttling. It's just not faster by enough to be worth it except maybe you are an eSports pro or aspiring to be one and you have or are planing to purchase a 1080 Ti, 2080, or 2080 Ti and a 240hrz 1080P display. But for everyone else it's just a waste of money.
What are you talking about out of ideas? You do know intel are actually making a 10nm chip and for amd they are lucky that had to be delayed as that will completely wash ryzen out, most likely at a cost though which is the only thing that is bad, they still make the best and yes they still run hot however no one needs to push the clocks high, it's the price of the chip itself that is its downfall
Out of idea's.....old designs, i see..that's why Intel have broken record sales for Q4 across the board including on the desktop with wait for it...$17 Billion...yes $17 Billion in revenues this quarter alone and $68 Billion for the year...boy do those old designs and idea's really suck for sales!!!! In fact they suck so much that even at Ryzen's 12nm they can't beat Intel at 14nm with nearly 1GHz in clock speed difference... More to the point, Intel are charging way to much for there CPU's...no one can argue that and we can only hope AMD catch's up with Ryzen 2 and 7nm to really drive competition home against Intel as that would make them lower there prices...Right now Intel are after margin whilst AMD are after market share, when that balances out (and we can hope), then it will be even better. Right now I can't complain as AMD have released a great set of CPU's in Ryzen and Threadripper at price points that most can afford which can only be good...but c'mon, lets get real, Intel still have the lead...I know it hurts but it shouldn't as AMD are in the game and doing a great job..
@@@brendanblack8647 You know that they've almost abandoned 10nm, right? It's already 2 years overdue and they STILL can't get their 10nm production rolling. Ryzen is already rearing to release their next architecture, moving to 7nm (10nm if I'm getting it wrong, but still). Intel is definitely out of ideas. They finally replaced their pigeon shit TIM with solder, but even their solder TIM is lower quality than what's on Ryzen 1000/2000. Intel is sticking to their guns, expecting people like you who aren't paying attention to the market to shill out 60% extra $$$ for 20% extra performance (although in past generations the performance difference was even smaller).
Such a crap cooler for a high end chip. What an inaccurate representation from another amd fanboy.. Step into 2018 with an aio.." many of you guys running air".. but can afford a z370/90 and the new 9900k 🤦🏻♂️😂??Putting a honda cooler on a Ferrari-but it's hot?? Nobody buys a 5-600$ cpu as a budget build with a shitty air cooler.. amd fans are stuck in the past and ignore accurate facts to help the hem sleep at night.. you can spot an amd fanboy from a mile away.. you probably use an aio in your personal computer but of course to decredit intel you would release a video of a high end chip with a lowend cooler..? How can this not be irritating? So rate to find a video with an 280 Aio.. 240 minimum..if you don't release a video with liquid ir at least both-with comparisons smh you shouldn't make videos. What I think? Great cpu. Bad tech review. Aio's are mainstream now-not so much enthusiast.
Also, I always test the CPU's with my Define R6's side panel off and my AC running the whole time holding the room to 24c.
I didn't want to weigh in on Linus or OC3D's results/videos as I actually hate all the TH-cam drama stuff but they certainly had interesting results compared to the rest of us.
did you mess with the wattage in Intel Extreme Tuning software at all.. because Hardware Unboxed mentioned this in his review but no one is talking to me about it.. I've asked numerous youtubers and/or viewers why Hardware Unboxed mentioned this and showed this at all, as it was the first time I've ever seen anyone mess with the stock wattage of their CPU. so I'm questioned with the fact that is this common or not. i would like to know that if i get one down the road it will be ok at stock wattage to overclock. I've never seen a video on this let alone heard anyone ever talk about adjusting their stock wattage before.
i think its the Turbo PL2 TDP of 210w's that is the cause of all this. seems motherboards differ wildly on the auto turbo behaviors some never dropping to the PL1 of 95w and some do after around 22 seconds of stress.
i wish you had used the dark rock pro. its rated for 250 or 280 i think. but still cool
@Buggsy81 he probalby did any power limit tuning in the bios itself. most of the stuff in intel extreme tuning is in the bios and certainly the power limits are. its just that the intel program looks better on video capture and is easier to capture and its a standard interface to make it easier for people to understand no matter what bios\board they have.
@chainsaw2010 some boards have the 95 watt limit on but turn it off when you turn xmp on cause they know you are going for top performance. or at least they raise the limit a lot. i got a cheap z370 board with an 8700k and it runs up to at least 200 watts when doing prime95 small ffts even with the power limit set to auto. most of the time my 8700k is at 5.1 ghz with voltage around 1.34 with an avx offset of 1. in any real world workload it does not go above 160 or so. small ffts is so unrealistic. you will never see it in real life anywhere. to be honest with my delidded chip 160w on a dual tower air cooler runs about 78c. the i9 with solder and a larger die would run cooler when at 160w im sure. 95w is nothing really and 160w is not that much either. a 2700x running with asus's pbo boost options (or around 4.3 or so manual oc) will run up to around 150w as well. 200w gets really hot with a dual tower cooler but i can run it without throttling but right at the edge of throttling with temps int he high 90's.
if you get an i9 and set the sustained or maintained power limit (whatever your board calls it) to around 170w max and then set your all core turbo to 4.7 and maybe your 7 core turbo and up to 5ghz with an avx offset of 1 you will get 95% of the i9's performance in multithreaded task on a dual tower cooler (noctua dh 15 or dark rock pro4, but this is not the pro) and you will get about the same performance as an 8700k at 5ghz when gaming cause games dont use more than about 70w max 100.
but power limit tuning will be just as important as voltage and clocks with this chip unless you go with a big boy watter cooler like a 280 or soemting. then you can just turn the power limit off and go to town as long as your board is up to it.
Playing this at 1.25x speed helped.
@Grichka Bogdanoff even at 2x it still sounds normal.. lol
true asf
An awesome video. The difference could just be. From an “Air cooler to an AIO”. But you are right about us. Most of us out here. Will us an “Air tower” to keep the CPU cool. Keep up the great work. You, & your Cohost are Awesome.
OH DEAR LORD! I'd die from a heart attack if I ever saw a hornet like that. I will never ever ever ever ever EVER leave Baltics. Earth is scary.
England is safe too on our island, no killer insects (the Adder snake is the only "deadly" creature but is extremely rare and scared of humans) or animals, no crazy weather or natural disasters.
@@AJDOLDCHANNELARCHIVE also, you don't have any mosquitos. That's why I lived in UK for a whole year!
I have the boxed version; It goes up to 77C @ stock 4,7GHz and 85C at 5GHz all cores on my z390 Aorus Ultra and Noctua NH-D14.
WTF are those hornets?!! did they come out of a nuclear waste facility?!! Hope you recover soon mate.
Lmfao
Fallout
Would adding another fan to the cooler improve temps much? The only thing putting me off buying a new rig is the intel temps.
I have a Dark Rock Pro 4 and a 9700k and in OC the temps are still in the high 80s low 90s. These chips are straight heaters. So much for AMD "running hot"
They do, can you imagine how hot the 2700X would be if you could run it at your 9700k core speeds lol...not to mention the insane powerdraw it would need.
Well what the hell u running ur 9700k at? I got mines at 5ghz all 8 cores at 1.3vcore on a cryorig h5 ultimate and run in low to mid 70s on Asus realbench stress test and aida 64. Gaming I barely break 55c. Shits cool as hell
Good luck getting any Ryzen CPU anywhere close to 5GHz though. No such thing as free performance. You want 5GHz instead of 4GHz, especially on a CPU with already higher IPC? You get a hotter running CPU. Simple physics right? More instructions per clock, at a higher frequency = ??? No prizes for guessing that one.
my i7-4770K 4.8Ghz and hitting easy 98C temp on Prime 95 but in games just 60-85C temp (ekwb 140mm radiator) cpu fan max and pump max all the time and my room hitting up to 25C temp. my r5-1600X 4.2Ghz hit up to 109C temp in ai cooler (cooler master V8) now I using a ekwb 280mm radiator for my r5-1600X and hits 4.3Ghz with 95C max temp/gaming max 85C. I will never buy Intel and Amd again :P.
@@Kage0No0Tenshi my r5 1600x @4.2ghz. Only got to 70C max XD. Okay i am using a 240mm Aio
for 1.3 volts 91 c for the medium - not that heavy load aida still is very hot . so prime95 even the easiest one blend ( that is truly realistic and comparable with heavy multithread loads) is 100++ easy . plz redo starting with 4.7 grhz and manual voltage again and with each frequency 4.8ghrz - 4.9ghrz - 5.0ghrz with the manual voltage and any powerlimiter maxed out also plz redo with prime blend results.
I think Intel went for outright performance rather than efficiency on the 9900K - they could have easily clocked it at 4.3 - 4.7GHz like the 8700K and it would be a much cooler running CPU - at 4.7 - 5.0GHz it's running beyond its optimal efficiency curve and as a result you get these high temps. In a way Intel is almost 'pre overclocking' it for you out of the box. The downside is that there is limited headroom to overclock it further - even 5.1GHz is barely a 8.5% overclock. Intel is running this chip close to its limits at stock already.
If intel is preoverclocking what is amd doing?
Have you tried lapping .. its something we shouldnt have to do but if the IHS is uneven then cooling will be off..
So at 9:18 is that using the cooler, it says stock. Cause if so 5.1 at 91C is pretty hot.
Looks like the 9600k may end up being the CPU to watch. Still soldered, 6c/6t, those things should OC like beasts without instantly hitting insane temps. Still think I'll wait to see what Zen2 offers.
I lost the silicon lottery with my 9900k, needed 1.44v to be stable at 5ghz all cores lol, I couldn't even boot windows in the low 1.3 ranges 😢
me too brought mine dec2019
Has nothing to do with the silicone it is due to the height of the CPU this measuring 84mm. In addition, a too low heat spreader was installed which can not derive the waste heat. The I7-8700k was still 42mm high.
Thanks for the review, I am highly considering the dark rock 4 in my z390 i9-9900ks
Whats yours temp?
can u show us 9900k paired with NH-D15 ?
Infinite Agony no
@@mustafas9011 No? Why no?
Looks like the cooler might block a RAM slot. Should I be concerned if I want to fill all of the slots?
lumptoast You have to remove the cooler during changing/adding the ram to the slot, but otherwise its not blocking, so you can install it. You dont have to be concerned.
I'm helping build a friend a pc with a 9900k and a dark rock pro 4 cooler with thermal grizzly conductonaut liquid metal. This cpu just simply runs hot anyways. Under load or when playing games it runs in the 70's with fans set to auto in bios. And when they are set to full speed it sits in the 60's in games or under load.
The temperatures out the box aren't much different than they've ever been. I have a 9700k now but used to have a 4790k. Devil's Canyon was kind of similar because it was the last consumer architecture on that process. Similar to the 9900k this meant pushing the speeds and temps to the max. The 4790k boosted to 4.4 GHZ on only 4 cores 8 threads and ran pretty hot right out of the box. I eventually put a Custom Loop on it and would still reach the low 70's when overclocked to 4.8. I think Intel did a great job at upping the core count and raising the speed without dumping crazing heat. The 9700k performs MUCH better than the 4790k despite both having 8 threads.
I bet those giant hornets weren't in the travel brochure! I'd be interested to see how the 9900k at 5.1ghz did temps wise after an hr on AIDA. Would be nice to know if it ended up throttling on a 200w tdp cooler.
man how come your 9900k come in a black box.
Miss u kev. 1st search for air cooler comes with your name. GG my friend. Rest in peace .
He passed away? RIP
What temp it get after playing games at stock clock about 4 hrs.
my i9 is 5.0 ghz what do you recommend for cooler
Omg, I would be terrified if those were flying around here
I think I'd invite all the skeet shooting teams to my house and say "if you shoot holes through the walls, make sure you at least hit those buggers!". But seriously, I would go full 12 gauge (or maybe make a flamethrower) and take those guys out, those things look mean! Even a tiny yellow jacket got me, and that was bad enough...
I think I'd invite all the skeet shooting teams to my house and say "if you shoot holes through the walls, make sure you at least hit those buggers!". But seriously, I would go full 12 gauge (or maybe make a flamethrower) and take those guys out, those things look mean! Even a tiny yellow jacket got me, and that was bad enough...
just bought this cooler for my i5 9600k. add 1 more fan at other side
great performance, my cpu always stay under 70c at full load
Hi bro,is it possible to add another fan on the other side because its 135mm,not 120 or 140?
Best co-host in the biz!
Run the 9900k at the same clocks as the 2700x and c the difference in cooling... 16 threads running at 5.0ghz will no doubt run hot... If the 2700x could reach 5.0ghz im pretty sure it will run just as hot...
Then why spend the retarded amount of money and buy an K sku Intel in the first place?
I think the high Temperatures of this CPU are a symptom of two main things. One is that the Coffee Lake architecture was never originally designed for such a high core-count, and Intel have essentially just jammed in two extra cores in order to achieve core-count parity with AMD. The other (somewhat related to the first) is that they have not compromised on core speed. In fact they have pushed core speeds even higher. The net result is you have a very hot CPU that is pretty much on the absolute limits of what it was designed to support.
I'm of two minds about this. I think Intel did what they felt they needed to do in order to respond to the very real competition they now face from AMD, but as a product I'm over all not impressed. I think this is a CPU for enthusiasts only, people who know what they are getting into and want the very best in performance. I think more regular users are far better off staying with the 8 series as they offer a far more "turn key" experience and can run just fine with run-of-the-mill cooling solutions, even with some moderate over clocking.
looking further ahead, I hope Intel are very busy getting their die shrink sorted out, because I think Ryzen 2, when it comes out, will be a much better proposition for the main-stream market. I think the advantage they have is that Ryzen was designed form the ground up for high core counts. Yes it needs fast memory, but with that concession aside, I think Ryzen offers more headroom for future growth whereas Intel need to start looking for other ways forward that don't just include pushing the clockspeeds higher and higher on their existing architecture.
Intel has had large core counts on their Xeon's for the past 10 years, just not running at insane clock speeds of up to 5ghz. Hoping for similar performance/core counts at far lower temperature in the next generation Intel Icelake/10nm chips.
hi
whats difference between pro and non pro temperature wise?
For me the pro gets 85-93 on stock i9 9900k. Why does the pro have higher temps than regular
The Dark Rock Pro 4 Is good for the AMD Ryzen 7 2700x??
More than good enough.
But so heavy
one reviewer said the washer on dark rock 4 is cheap and likely to break earlier risking the entire components, what is your long time review?
also 135mm fan seems to be non-standard, if and when the fan stops working what are we to replace it with 120 ??
Mine has worked just fine, no issues at all and I pull it off and put it back on way more than a normal PC user would.
@@TechShowdown thanks, and what about the non-standard fan size. what's your opinion on that.
I didn't even watch the first few minutes. I was just looking through my monitor and thinking about giant hornets.
Sir I have ordered msi z390 a pro motherboard and i9 9900 processor will it perform good or bottleneck performance
He has passed away
Reviewers need to start showing bios settings.There's too many important settings (LLC, AVX offset) that drastically impact temps and skew benchmarks. Heck, most reviews don't even show what voltage they are running.
*Hello, this video is very interesting.*
_What is the best air cooler of 2018?_
_The Noctua NH-D15? or is there something better?_
*_Thanks!_*
Did you use Noctua air coolers? they are the best
R u from the Austramericalia?
He’s dead.
thank you , for the review really helpful
Rest in Peace
This over a Noctua? In terms of noise.
The NH-D15 is still the best air cooler on the market.
@@aos32 actually the be quiet can dissipate 250w of heat, the noctua is maxee at 200w, so not quite same cooling capacity
@@Tallnerdyguy It does not matter much at how much watts manufacturers rate their coolers at.
What really matters is how it performs in real life. I have looked at several benchmarks, and the NH-D15 performs the best.
@@Tallnerdyguy The pro is rated at 250, the one used here is the non pro rated at 200.
Man, fuck. I came here for a hardware tip and suddenly Im fucking freaked out by giant fucking hornets, what a nightmare.
Is the fan “hiding” the ram modules?
They're right next it. White.
my stock 9900k iis running 80c during premiere pro rendering. with 120mm dual fan cooler. I don't think i'll ever going to overclock this crap. Can't upgrade 240mm cooler case design can't take it
Unless you're believing the rubbish numbers from LTT the only variation in temps on this chip are between the 8th Level of Hell hot and the 9th.
Also, that DR4 cooler is nowhere near as good as the Noctua NH-D15.
N. I. True, but then you’re severely limited on ram choices
Not really, they clear every RAM module I've used, have had no issues yet.
Bequiet coolers are generally the best except installation process. Even though Noctua will be one or two db lower than BQ. The noise coming out of Noctua is worse than BQ in terms of pleasantness.
N. I. Anecdotal at best. Check the manufacturers webpage, it’s like 36mm which is not much clearance and several limited the DDR4 choices that would fit. It’s the main reason I switched to an AIO this build. My last build, the 2600k platform, I used the NH-D14 and it was a issue then too
Anecdotal at best? What am I, a fucking database? Of course it's anecdotal, I am guy that uses a D15 and have no issues with any ram module. Grow up asshole.
Well when you boost a CPU to 5ghz I am pretty sure it's gonna get pretty damn hot, but I have yet to hear about too many problems keeping it cool....
Omg man, FUCK!!!
I did not have to see the pic of that hornetzilla. I hate bugs. I have to admit, this is the last place i'd expect to see that 😂
I had never even seen one in my life before, so it was literally the first time I ever saw one and I got stung by it, the burning sensation you get is super bad.
@@TechShowdown that is truly some incredible case of bad luck, wow :/ word on recovery?
No fly swatter, need a baseball bat
@@Tallnerdyguy PREPARE THE AA CANNONS
Uh...... Sorry I just throwed up by the bugs... :)
8 core/16 thread and 5ghz, seriously excessive, but being a custom loop kinda guy, i personally would never use an aircoolor or AIO on that CPU.
In Stock speeds it seems to be OK, my 8086K with custom loop runs in seventies in AIDA64, but 91 degrees on 5.1GHz, it is too much. I would definitely delid it.
What's best cooler liquid for i9 9900k
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Could you try run a component stress test with the program: Y Cruncher. And perhaps log temp too. It test more than the cpu only.
This program really shows if i have a stable overclock on my ryzen 1700X.
Btw i have the Bequiet dark rock 3 cooler :)
miss u kev
would this cool my i7 9700K good
Why would anyone care about getting an update via twitter about ur hornet sting?
Recap: 9900k its a furnace, dont buy it unless you have a nuclear power plant in the garden.
1.3v in bios 5ghz h100i push pull noctua nf12s 85 to 90c prime 95, otherwise doesnt touch 65 70c in gaming on 80%fan speeds..
GN has been plugging the hell out of Dual Rock 4 as well. Must be a good cooler!!!
I dont understand why clock the monster so high if its hittin max the cpu runs real good the max clock is prob like 4.4 or 5 im saying max as far as stable but dont gota clock it at all it runs great without one just overpriced 2 cheaper xeons will do the same thing
R.I.P Kev
This is not Tech showdown, this is Ted showdown 🐻 😎
9900k, the new Pentium D.
How does a bug that size manage to sneak up on you lol how did you not see it or here it coming from a mile away.
Love I9 9900k processor, z390 mb but processor runs too hot. For now until i can get a better cpu cooler fan i had to go in bios, reduce cpu voltage, reduce active cores from 8 to 4, disable hyperthreading and run all fans 100%. oh.. and replace thermal gel. Its a shame you buy a 1800 dollar pc and have to replace the the crap they built it with. Live and learn. Love the video dude.
Too late I already bought the pure rock back in July.
It's a little brother of the Dark Rock 4, but then again I'm running the 2600x so I've never seen it struggle with my cpu at all and it's... quiet!
It was more a video about coolers than about the 9900k hahahaha
But enjoyed it nonetheless
Do you think you got a golden 9900k?
Same cooler. very quiet, but not quite powerful enough for my uses. Might consider upgrading to the dark rock.
I need help guys, i have a deepcool tesseract bf case, is it good enough for i9 9900k ? and second will my i9 9900k be safe to overclock in this deepcool tesseract case i have ?!
I have Dark Rock 4 Pro, basically the same cooler as the one in the video just with another fan inside and maybe a bit more mass, and I temps are way hotter than the ones you are getting and that's just with 4.8 Ghz all cores, I don't ever get 5 Ghz all cores, I'll maybe see it on 1 or 2 cores.
teddy looks like he is trying to escape from the giant wasps flying around.
Damn like those bees in Japan outside Hiroshima it was bigger/fatter than my thumb. Sealed inside a air tight container and took two weeks to die.
where u live to have bugs like that omg
I got the impression that most reviewers used 1.350 vcore in order to standardise their benchmarks. I think that most cpus should be capable of sustaining high clock speed with a bit less voltage if fine tuned properly. Still for 5.1 GHz 1.300v you do have a very good sample. BTW get well soon man. That is a hell of a huge hornet. What does it eat? Birds?
You know that you by law have to inform that this is a sponsored videp right? :)
5.1 ghz you gain an average of 3fps and sometimes even nothing, only in cs: go,pubg and dota 2 you will get more.
Ugh, you dont buy this cpu for gaming..
not everyone builds pc for gaming
As always, hope you recover fast from that flying dinosaur that bit you... When I was in Taipei they did warn me about those things but I thought it was some urban myth. From now on, I'd carry a pump action shotgun at all times ;)
Now, on with the show:
- There are 3 versions of that program, I would like to know the version those Australian shills, which are far worse than LTT, used on the Intel. Also, why do they show some graphs with Intel and its main "rival" and other graphs with just Intel CPUs?
Anyway, I'm done with those shills who present less information on their methodology than LTT did, and was crucified for. Clickbait very rapidly turns against those who abuse it... Dance with the Devil...
- Intel and their "rival" have many different ways of abording thermals and the margins the CPU has to "stretch its legs". I set all my limits for Intel CPUs at 85C, and never exceed 1.38v.
- Running on an Asus ROG Mobo with the Noctua NH-D15S, I got temps in hour-long runs of OCCT inferior to 85C, with two cores at 5.1 and the rest at 5.0, using 1.34v. After watching some idiotic videos, I decided to have a dinner with overtime ;) and just left it running... A few hours later it still hadn't reached 85C, which is the limit at which point I have the program crash, even though Intel stipulates a much higher temperature.
Let us get things straight, "Auto Mode" should never be used... People who know what they are doing do runs "at stock" to determine which are their best scores, this information is available with various programs, including AIDA, Sandra, and OCCT (which gives you an average for each core). After that, each core is manually overclocked, the constant voltage is set for the CPU, the memory timings are perfected, and the proper cooling curve is also manually set... That's how massive OCs are obtained. Unlike its "rival", which doesn't OC (or the gain is so minimal to be negligible), and that's perfectly fine, it's their philosophy after decades of nonexistence, Intel permits a huge OC sealing. Every Intel generation, since the 900 series, has always had similar temperatures.
Now, what I think the Australian Shills did was hammer the CPU with a certain version of AIDA, they should know not to use, which is not used for the regular user/gamer/small content creator, either that or they are incompetent OCs, or they just made the numbers up, which is what they did in my personal opinion.
The temperatures you got are the sort of temperatures I would expect using the cooler you did... Don't get me wrong, for the price it is a fabulous cooler but it is no Noctua. In extreme tests temperatures of around 85C are perfectly normal for all Intel CPUs running above 1.32v.
Anyway, I see Taiwan is being mean to you. All the best, and I hope you settle in soon... The humidity of those places,
Cheers.
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Since the 9900K has been out for a while now, I wish the tech reviewers thay did videos in that CPU temps would do videos on 9900K lifespan/deterioration.
nineteen six degrees , we hot !!!! nineteen six degrees in the caaaseeeee !!!
PLEASE DO A NEW EPISODE ON THE 9700K/9900K THERMAL BENCHMARKS. The forums are filled with people just wanting a 8 core cpu running at stock using an air cooler. NOBODY has a cpu air cooler video on these 2 cpu's in a proper air cool friendly case! Please help us Obi1.
dude were u in some sort of accident u got band-aid or some stuff btw good video
If you'd watch the first 13 seconds he talks about it.
Kinda mentioned for first minute
Scary flyers
im buying this for my stock i7 9700K
What the fuck? O___O Those hornets are B.O.W created by Umbrella Corp, I guess
damn that hornet is a facking savage
I9 9900k is shit, amd ryzen threadripper is best.
Best intel cpu has 24cores. Best threadripper 2990wx has 32 cores and more power at the same price.
Not as good for gaming and shitty clock speeds bud
@@n8likesmath go to my channel and see threadripper. good for gaming and oc to 4.10ghz
i gave u sub bud
It has trash ipc lol even an i7 2600k overclocked is way better at gaming lol.
its not always about cpu cores u know. look at the fx series they had more cores than intels cpus back in the day and intel still smashed them
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OH WTF GIANT HORNETS??!?!?! OH F THAT
good noctua nh15d st1
x1.5 is a great thing
If I was a Muslim, I would walk in circles around that cooler.
Yes I think is because of the cores and the high frequency, if Ryzen can do 5.1 ghz 😎😎 it gonna be something like you need liquid nitrogen cooler🤣🤣🤣 so basically yes... it's not a bad cpu, just to much power (500 hp engine with air cooler)
Ryzens frequencies aren't temp limited, only stability limited. People are getting below 70c at 4.3ghz, the cpu itself just wont push past that...
@@hypershadow5gthat was a joke (sarcasm) bro😊 anyway the stability can be fixed with higher voltage, but with ryzen is...probably communism sounds more possible😂😂😂
@@hitleposixv167 Unless you're willing to push like 1.8v, that's not possible.
The thing is, Ryzen has a poor voltage curve that spikes up when you push the clock speeds around 4GHz on first gen ans 4.2GHz on second gen.
It is a silicon limitation, maybe a better node could fix that, let's not forget that Intel's 14nm+++ is way denser and maturer than GloFo's 12nm.
@@stargazer162 I think the space between transistors on intel is some nm bigger and amd one is smaller but also more optimized
No matter how you see it , the 9900K is CRAP !!! an old design pushed to the very limit ! Intel is out of ideas for at least 2 years !
Eh it's not crap it just has a crap price. It is 15-20% faster than a 2700X but costs around double the price+$50-$100 for a cooler+ more expensive board if you want decent VRMs that will allow it to hit the high clocks you are paying for without throttling. It's just not faster by enough to be worth it except maybe you are an eSports pro or aspiring to be one and you have or are planing to purchase a 1080 Ti, 2080, or 2080 Ti and a 240hrz 1080P display. But for everyone else it's just a waste of money.
You forgot to mention only on full hd. 2700x is the better deal even it wasn't high priced when you game at 1440p or 4k xD
What are you talking about out of ideas? You do know intel are actually making a 10nm chip and for amd they are lucky that had to be delayed as that will completely wash ryzen out, most likely at a cost though which is the only thing that is bad, they still make the best and yes they still run hot however no one needs to push the clocks high, it's the price of the chip itself that is its downfall
Out of idea's.....old designs, i see..that's why Intel have broken record sales for Q4 across the board including on the desktop with wait for it...$17 Billion...yes $17 Billion in revenues this quarter alone and $68 Billion for the year...boy do those old designs and idea's really suck for sales!!!! In fact they suck so much that even at Ryzen's 12nm they can't beat Intel at 14nm with nearly 1GHz in clock speed difference...
More to the point, Intel are charging way to much for there CPU's...no one can argue that and we can only hope AMD catch's up with Ryzen 2 and 7nm to really drive competition home against Intel as that would make them lower there prices...Right now Intel are after margin whilst AMD are after market share, when that balances out (and we can hope), then it will be even better. Right now I can't complain as AMD have released a great set of CPU's in Ryzen and Threadripper at price points that most can afford which can only be good...but c'mon, lets get real, Intel still have the lead...I know it hurts but it shouldn't as AMD are in the game and doing a great job..
@@@brendanblack8647 You know that they've almost abandoned 10nm, right? It's already 2 years overdue and they STILL can't get their 10nm production rolling. Ryzen is already rearing to release their next architecture, moving to 7nm (10nm if I'm getting it wrong, but still). Intel is definitely out of ideas. They finally replaced their pigeon shit TIM with solder, but even their solder TIM is lower quality than what's on Ryzen 1000/2000. Intel is sticking to their guns, expecting people like you who aren't paying attention to the market to shill out 60% extra $$$ for 20% extra performance (although in past generations the performance difference was even smaller).
For gaming prefer i7 9700k
that accent is confusing af.
lel, 600 dollar CPU but fake sup and gucci
Literally left after the dumb intro less than 23 seconds in
Dark you left and then came back to comment?
Such a crap cooler for a high end chip. What an inaccurate representation from another amd fanboy.. Step into 2018 with an aio.." many of you guys running air".. but can afford a z370/90 and the new 9900k 🤦🏻♂️😂??Putting a honda cooler on a Ferrari-but it's hot?? Nobody buys a 5-600$ cpu as a budget build with a shitty air cooler.. amd fans are stuck in the past and ignore accurate facts to help the hem sleep at night.. you can spot an amd fanboy from a mile away.. you probably use an aio in your personal computer but of course to decredit intel you would release a video of a high end chip with a lowend cooler..? How can this not be irritating? So rate to find a video with an 280 Aio.. 240 minimum..if you don't release a video with liquid ir at least both-with comparisons smh you shouldn't make videos. What I think? Great cpu. Bad tech review. Aio's are mainstream now-not so much enthusiast.
DRP4 is doing the same thing as any aio...
What a gay shirt
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