Do you have any regrets in your coding or cyber security journey? Link to Learning How To Learn by Coursera: imp.i384100.net/jrRea6 Timestamps for convenience 😋: 0:00 ➡Intro 0:13 ➡13 Years of Coding/Cybersecurity 1:37 ➡Cyber Security is HARD 2:00 ➡First Mistake 3:44 ➡Second Mistake 4:47 ➡Third Mistake 8:17 ➡Fourth Mistake 9:42 ➡Replaced by AI 11:14➡AI for dummies like me 12:07➡My hopes and dreams 12:17➡Conclusion 12:41➡BONUS FOOTAGE 12:52➡Outro
This video confirmed so many realities that I've started to become aware of towards the end of my degree. For example, certs being valued as highly as they are. Currently studying for my Security+ and debating on what I should go for next. But also, the crap-ton of job listings I've seen as for WAYYY MORE than my program (BS Computer Science) has taught me. Even entry level IT jobs want me to know how to use Windows admin tools - none of which I've been trained for. But I sure as hell took 5 COMPLETELY UNNECESSARY math courses! Not saying all of these things I haven't been taught are difficult (or easy) to learn, it's just that I'm paying for a program that has done so little to give me the experience I actually need for an entry level job.
I graduated HS at the top of my class, got full scholarship, chose community college over Northern Arizona University, dropped out of college with one class left...COLLEGE ALGEBRA!. Worked several jobs in a casino: food and bev, keno caller, slot operations then slot operations technician. Got a girl, lost a girl, lost the job, got a new job at Fry's Electronics, met a new girl, new girl is a computer geek, quit job for fraud job at bank, moved up from fraud analyst 1, fraud analyst 2, senior analyst, left job and moved to Washington state with girl, got new job in fraud, became senior analyst, bought a house, got married, lost a kid, had 2 more kids, lost the job, PANDEMIC, went back to college. We all have our own crazy and meandering path and no one goes from point A to point B.
My condolences for your loss. That's really tough. I can't imagine going through losing one of my kids. I agree, the journey is different for everyone. I think people are so overwhelmed with options that they fail to choose a path and get lost along the way. Least that's how it was for me. I needed some direction and once I finally had it, life became a little bit easier.
Your point on discrete math definitely resonated with me. Passed the class with a D and was relieved when my advisor told me I didnt have to retake it.
I did up to calc II because I was transitioning from biomed and found out it wasn't required for my IT degree. That killed me considering I cried so much in those math classes. Discrete math was required though and I got a 4.0 in that.
@@emilyau8023 I did up to calc 4 because like a primo idiot I was at the time, I thought minoring in mathematics was a good idea...I ended up having to choose between devoting all my time to linear algebra (required for major) and stopped showing up to calc 4 (I got an F of course - was too late to drop out the class). Hard lesson learned on my part.
people with a non linear life give me hope and fuel. My life was crazy, worked and travelled all over the world in hotels as a chef for many years. Had no real motivation in life and just felt more depressed with every year that went by. I always thought I was too stupid for college. By the age of 29 I finally mustered up the courage to go to Uni anyway, because worst thing that could happen was that I would drop out. Anyway, I am approaching my final year in CS. Still feeling stupid, but at least now I am stupid and soon to be having a degree. I really enjoy Cybersecurity and theoretical CS so I am hoping to continue my path in this direction. Happy to have found this youtube channel!
im 25 and learned what i know so far about my computer from modding video games. Im seeing a bunch of stuff im familiar with so learning wont be too hard for me. now that im getting in the field i need to see more youtubers in this. Just subbed👍
Good info. Note that if you have many years of IT experience and want to break into a more specialized IT field, such as IT security, you don't need the Bachelor's degree, (not that it hurts if you already have it,) but your practical actual work experience will qualify you at or above that requirement in many jobs. (This is company specific though)
The reason it was so hard for you is because you didn’t take the traditional path. Most people generally start off in a help desk role learning the basics. While in help desk work on a cert or a few. A good entry level cert to shoot for is sec+. After that they generally move in to a sysad role. In this role you generally learn how security is actually implemented. You work with the security guys every day making sure things are patched, up to date, and functioning correctly. From there you start to specialize. You either continue as a sysad and move up to a manager/department lead position. Or you start to specialize in cyber security and begin to move over. I also don’t know a single person who would recommend a strictly cyber security path degree. The CS degree is going to be so much more worth while. The programming skills will help you automate tedious repetitive tasks and you have a broader knowledge of computer systems in general. But at the end of the day, you don’t need college at all. In fact if you don’t have certs along with that degree or good connections you won’t be landing anything but a help desk role anyways. A degree is just padding in this world unless you have the experience and certs to back it up.
I watched a few videos from popular cyber security TH-camr's and they said the Help Desk method is an old idea that isn't necessary anymore. They also said you don't require a Comp. Sci. Degree. It's all very confusing!
@@Shannon_Robbie It's not necessary. The same way a Comp Sci degree isn't necessary. There's many different routes to take. Many roles in the security realm will require experience. You can't gain experience if you haven't worked in the role. Being a part of help desk or sys ad proves you have the experience and knowledge of computer systems and can translate into security once you get certified or qualified well enough. -Just a degree proves you can learn. -Just help desk experience means you can deal with users and know how the system works. -A sysad will generally be certified with at least sec+. Which will likely be the bare minimum requirement for a security role. They will also have experience with patching and remediating systems which is extremely important. If college is not an option for you try and get your Sec+ and a certification in the area you want to specialize. There are a ton of road maps online to help with that. If college is an option for you, try and get a role as a help desk member or see if an internship position for sysad/networking is available. While you're there or while in school try and get a certification. Experience will be KEY in your applications. It will put you above everyone else with just a degree. A degree is great but in all the interviews I have been a part of or listened in on experience was the major factor. Sorry if this is rambly or incoherent. I am currently struggling to stay awake.
@mr.shannonvenasse7155 watch some more, because the biggest ones def do not say that. Furthermore, the Helpdesk path is a good idea, because you learn basics of a computer, learn things you might not think your going to need to know. I worked Help desk, left the field, ran a business, am now back in help desk and learning CS. That background helped ALOT, I picked up Python very quickly, much quicker than other folks I know that started around the same time. Know why? Because I build websites as a hobby, and Python is very similar to HTML/CSS/JS, if you know those Python is a breeze. I like the channel, played games, made websites for guilds, and now that's helping me in career path. Playing games, like WOW, also taught me alot of social engineering, which is a very important skill in Cyber Security. Point is, don't down play ANY experiences, or any skills you have or have gained in life. Pen Testers especially, break things and rebuild them, that is troubleshooting, that is Help Desk, that is Car Mechanic work, ect. Understanding how to take something apart, and put it back together, without being told how, is a much needed Hacking skill, because that is what you will be doing, 90% of the time. The key to being a good pen tester, is not only breaking in, it's making sure no one knows you did it. And that is where helpdesk experience comes in. It's one thing to know how to take it apart, another to put it back together.
@@Shannon_Robbie - Please allow me to clear the air for you: one of my neighbors works in the NOC for a major defense contractor. As he related it to me, they will take employees without certs and without four year degrees and place them into highly technical projects and programs because they have the experience and the knowledge and the curiosity to work the problem and create a new solution. That neighbor's background is in finance. Let me repeat: he went from finance to military defense contractor NOC. Ready for another one? I was interviewing with the Program Director of a major national software company. Big enough in fact that when I told my brother about it, he said, "oh yeah, we user their software in our [redacted thing]." As the Program Director related to me, their organization is really unimpressed with the declining quality of candidates that the four year universities are turning out. He asked me a very basic hashing versus encryption question. Then he went on to say that, "You would be surprised how many candidates coming out of four year degree programs cannot answer that," and I thought to myself, "Wow that's crazy." Ready for another one? The guy who built the NSA's first red team iteration and their security operations center "The Pit" was initially hired on as a crypto analyst without any Cryptography experience. There's even half of a dark net diary podcast about it. Look up episode 83. The whole run is interesting, but the story of Jeff Man starts at about the 36 minute mark. That last example is an older one, but it highlights how it is possible, and in our field, the trad flow path from helpdesk to sysadmin to SOC to CIO/CISO/CTO is fading fast. That may be happening because of the very broad and widening chasm in the cyber talent pool versus the ever increasing openings. The help desk role is a meat grinder and it weeds out people who may have made very decent Analysts at the SOC and super sales engineers, but just could not stand the total experience of the front end of the career track. I am not digging at the trad path; it works for some people, and those brave warriors who spend months or years in a call center and survive it deserve every promotion and reward they get. In fact, double or quadruple their rewards for their steadfast devotion. When I realized at 6 months into the trad Help Desk track that I was essentially Project Coordinator for a zero down time warm site and hot site infrastructure upgrade involving a very large customer SQL dbase migration with zero errors for $20 an hour, (poof!) I was up and out of there! Vaya con Dios, amigos! Used my savings and some help to enroll in a Cyber Security not-quite-a-bootcamp school house with a live SOC environment to get hands on, got my cert, and here I am in my current position which still has me wondering if in fact I am dreaming... TL;DR - light the fire, start the learning journey, get Security+, get hands on, and break into the role.
Thats fine, you’ll never know what you really need when you were young esp during school days until you get a job and realizehow much potential you could have gained if you were just aware of the real world.
Funny how many of us gave up in college because of math 😂 I did nails, moved across the country right before covid effed it all up, so never had a chance to build a clientele there, did Doordash, Amazon delivery, finally got a job in a salon, but never could make money with it, so moved back where we came from, gave up on nails, started working with disabled adults, had one move in with us, that pays for a LOT and now I'm trying to learn about cybersecurity 😂 things are weird. Thanks for the video!
I’m 25 and beginning a bachelor’s degree that includes multiple certs, I’m so excited. There are so many possibilities with AI and I can’t wait to spend my career working with it.
I'm getting a degree in CIS and Im very happy to have found this, i know i want to focus more on data collection, and storage. but i appreciate a better breakdown of an industry that is itself a fog of knowledge!!!!
I just turned 35. I've worked shit jobs. Leaving jobs because bad management and or no growth options. I need to get my shit together and cyber security has my interest.
It's a pretty well known institution and they appear to allocate a good chunk of money to advertising it. I've heard great success stories from graduates of the program!💚
Great video man! please make a video going deeper on the things we should be learning and where to learn! specifically hands on projects. Not certifications.
Going on 27 (Fuck im old). I have a degree in electrical engineering but somehow ended up working IT contracting jobs since i was 17. Finally starting to get my shit together and your videos have been a huge help. Much thanks!
TL;DW The transcript discusses the speaker's personal journey in the cybersecurity field, starting from their initial struggles to their eventual realization of the importance of specialization and continuous learning. They emphasize the need to pick a specific career path within cybersecurity and develop expertise in that area. The speaker reflects on the inefficiency of their college education, suggesting that online courses and certifications could be more beneficial. They also discuss the increasing role of automation and AI in cybersecurity and the importance of staying updated with evolving technologies and tools. The transcript ends with a humorous reference to retirement dreams and a reminder to learn efficiently and adapt to the changing landscape of cybersecurity.
New subscriber. Great humor and funny editing. For future videos, bring the audience with you on your journey of using AI to improve your cybersec skills so we can learn how to best leverage the new tech.
You're talking the same way how I feel. I did waste a ton of time not on nothing but on studying low quality tutorials and doing mega projects while knowing little to nothing. I have mastered C# early and other simple stuff like OOP and Data Structures but I had a very problematic issue, when I create like big software after completing half or more the software just performs very slow, another problem was not knowing about SOLID and DRY principles so I was literally repeating the same code all over the project and creating a very tightly coupled code. After learning about clean code, clean architecture, DDD, microservices, and CQRS, everything worked will but i wasted a lot of time.
@@madhatistaken RIP WOW!( _____________________________________________ moment of silence) I had to do the same thing. Good points. Are you going to do a discord or anything? I would ask about a LinkedIn but your wearing a mask so........
6:51 Well, here is a list of reasons Biology and chemistry is applied in the field of cybersecurity: Biometrics and Authentication, DNA Cryptography, Chemical Signatures for Malware Detection, Bio-inspired Algorithms, Virus and Immune System Analogy, Cyber-Physical Systems Security, Quantum Computing Security, Phishing Detection...
That was my take away from several of my classes. Id do the practical work and the exams, pass with a good grade and one month later I'd find myself questioning how much of it I actually remembered.
Same here man, I am am in my second year in school in a cybersecurity program, and I feel as if I dont remember a whole lot of the actual information thrown at me
Thanks heaps for your advice. Our federal government (Australia) implemented fee-free technical college classes this year, & the quality of delivery is abysmal. I would be pissed off to the max if I had of paid full tuition fee. I'd better move on than start venting 🤬 So in frustration I started attending University of TH-cam, & watched videos like yours. Thanks for the Coursera link, and the advice about learning. With the course I'm doing I feel like I'm reading about 15 books on 'how to ride a bicycle,' and we all know the best way to learn how to ride a bike.
I'm doing fee free Tafe at the moment in Cybersec. The delivery is pretty confusing compared to my 4 years I spent in Uni, as well as the quality being poorer. But it's free so I can't complain and I'll be qualified at the end of it. I to use TH-cam and other sources to gain more knowledge. I'm under the impression this is expected though.
I’m 21 years old and have two years left to complete my bachelor’s degree in computer science. I plan to take courses in networking and pursue cybersecurity certification. what do u think about this?
Thank you, im 21 with a year left at a community College, im transferring to uw for computer science degree, if i want to get in the i need to do a whole lot more.
I have a background in IT since I was 15 never finished HS (long story) went to community college for CS left after a little over a year cause my mom and grandma passed. Had two kids, worked in web marketing for a remodeling company for 12 years recently quit to drive rideshare, not sure where to go from here. Your videos help a lot thanks. Think I’m gonna go for the comptia security+ to azure and or AWS you suggested in another vid. Any advice from this community would be greatly appreciated thanks!
Is cybersecurity sales a niche? I want to get into the sales part, and working on my certs and portfolio to have the basic understanding, but not sure if that's a niche in itself or what niche I need to learn to get in. Any suggestions? Thanks!
Just a quick question, I'm planning to take my degrees soon and just wanted to ask, if i want to join red team, I want to be trained and work as a ethical hacker, which degree should I pursue? I was thinking of computer science, and take a specialized course in cyber security. What will be the appropriate path towards that?
07:55 what certs would you recommend to get into the field with an actually useful baseline of information? Currently have 1 yr 3 mo left in the Marine Corps and trying to figure out what path I want to go down while I'm still in, before I get out and after. Any insight is helpful, thank you.
I took AP calculus in high school up until quitting at calc 4 in college. I believe learning the complexities of machine code and programming is enough to provide the same "mind expanding" that calculus can provide. Just my two cents though 💚
I haven't used math the entire time in my security analyst role. Other than subnetting there isn't any math in any cyber field really. Unless you're explaining the cost of security tools to the c-suite 😅
I'm in my 6/8 cert of Google Cybersecurity Certification, wich certification you recommended me to do after completing them? The part of the certificate that I enjoyed the most so far was the 5 cert (Assest, threats and vulnerabilities)
6:20 They thought selling cyber sec and why they need to hire one, was because that was put in place during XP times when people didn't have this idea of cyber sec. Now we understand why we need cyber sec so bad. So telling us how to sell is a waste of time.
I'm in my early 30's. Currently unemployed with zero savings and I'm starting my life all over again from scratch by learning Cyber Security because of bad decisions I made in my 20's. If there is anyone in their 30's and above, I wish you all the best and know that we still have a lot of time so don't worry. We got this!
100% true. We have so much information it is so overwhelming that I feel lazy to even start. Also because it;s the information age there are so much garbage to try and filter which makes it a big con
I am literally doing what you did right now. I'm in school right now, learning the basics. Thanks for the advice! And I'm 32 years old. I made some very stupid decisions in my younger years so I'm pretty much starting my life over.
Same same. Mid-30s Career change is nerve wrecking but it feels good to hear going back to college is not only ok to not do, but a waste of time and money.
I think the ideal route is to apply for your Bachelors program, find an entry level IT job, and then begin studying your A+,Net+, and Sec+. After four years you'll have your degree, four years of and 3 entry level certifications.
After four years of experience and a Bachelors, you should *not* still be playing with the trifecta. You should already have your mid level/associate certs and be moving into expert level ones.
It is possible to go direct for Security+ and enter a nice paying SOC Analyst role, but requires a certain... learning style and personality type. I'm not trying to dig at you, but the traditional career flow as laid out is becoming less common in industry as a practical matter due to the gaping and widening talent chasm. One of our instructors went from Unlicensed Artisan Burrito Operations Specialist at Chipotle to Palo Alto Networks in I think three years he said. If a person has their fire lit and, adopts The Tinkerer's Mindset, and is curious and driven daily, (end of platitudes) they can succeed by going direct to Security+ plus the portfolio of projects and break in. And once we're in, we have to actively make a mistake and try to lose Persistence within the industry.
Similar here, started college at 24 because I can't get any Fasfa because of how much my father made, it not even being much, I had to wait for 24 to get loans anyways with like 30% cover from the grant
i'm trying to get into software development so i'd appreciate tips from you. What are the best and most popular niches to learn? should i learn multiple languages at the same time?
Just wanted to confirm that the "Learning how to Learn" course on Coursera is phenomenal. I worked through it as part of a free, online coding bootcamp I did, and I realized that the professor (Barbara Oakley) was actually one of my professors back in college. She's awesome. It was wild to find out she was my old engineering professor before I dropped out, lol. It's worth taking the time to go through. Gotta realize that learning cyber is definitely a marathon. You're in this learning process for years - and probably the rest of your career. Slow down and work through these things!
This resonates with me, I thought I could just cram the Google cyber secuirty cert and immediately get a security analyst position. Got a rude awakening when I applied to countless jobs and never heard back. I now have been treating this like you said as more of a marathon life long learning process and it’s been alot more rewarding.
I’ve had a Cyber Analyst tell me that if he knew back then what he knows today he would have skipped his degree in college and invested that time into Certifications and Labs and would be where he is today a lot sooner. He also advised me that if you goto college pertaining to IT it becomes pointless unless you are going for a very specific IT job that requires it.
“Pointless”. Lol. Tel that to hiring managers. And does he think a degree isn’t valuable if you’re Middle Aged with a few yrs with light / limited exp?
@@newagain9964 I quite litteraly work at a Higher Ed, I have no degree got my job over people with masters degrees, and few people on our team have degrees. I am middle aged, and have yet to not get a job that I have applied for ever in my life, and this is my 3rd It position in that lifetime. Why did I get the job over people with masters? "When we asked technical questions, they answered it like it was coming from a book, they knew the right words, but that was it, Even in the questions that you got things wrong, like the acronym wrong, you made it clear you had experience with it in real life. You understood how the tech actually worked, not just what you read from a book, they could tell us how to configure/fixed XXXX in theory, you told us how you HAVE configured/fixed XXXX in the past". Hiring Managers dont give a crap about Degrees, HR does. Hiring Mangers care if you can DO THE JOB, and none of that theoritical bull they teach you is going to accomplish that. Its the same thing for the non practical certs, You can answer a multiple choice Test, cool, but can you actually configure that firewall? If all you got is some classes and a Network+ its very much not likely. They dont want the guy that knows what a book says, they want the guy that configured that firewall 100x over.
Hes arguing demonstrated specific industry knowledge is more valuable than theoretical general education. This is accurate in todays job market. Sounds like we found the lurking recruiter/aspiring HR manager though lol
Depending on what you're doing, a degree is still very important. Data structures don't really change. Objects, Arrays, and the like are very much the same as they were 40-50 years ago. Basics are important.
I feel like this can probably be applied to other degrees as well. I'm still considering a degree in electrical engineering or computer science as well (leaning more towards electrical engineering), and there are so so many sub fields to go into. The degrees themselves alone are very broad. Thanks for the content!
Thank you for watching! Agreed, the fields you mentioned and most degrees encompass a lot. Gotta figure out what exact job is for you and dive deep into it 💚
My path was fairly simple but I got stuck in tutorial hell and learning purgatory for a decent chunk of my time learning, I learned python with by doing the challenge called “100 days of code”, learned basic file system and system administration commands with Linux and Microsoft powershell & cmd, learned common exploits, installed kali Linux onto a ventoy usb, used a promotion code and signed up to hack the box, focused on networking for a bit, focused more on powershell after realizing how little I know about it, learned ruby and php with books from Amazon, learned malware analysis and basic reverse engineering along with a smidge of x86 assembly, did a bunch of try hack me ctfs, decided to study and research terms used in vulnerability reports on hacker news finally purchased hack the box’s pen testing specialist certification course, *passed* .
@@callmeetc When I did my certification on hack the box I had just graduated from a trade school where I was taking software design classes, so currently I'm just hunting for a basic IT position like helpdesk I really wanna do system admin work but gotta start somewhere ig. edit: (until I can find a job I'm really just seeing how I can improve my skills, doing ctfs studying networks and cloud technologies like AWS, and basic preparation things)
@@itsaddi666 pretty good, working entry level IT as of right now, mainly doing help desk work but going from being straight outta high school to doing a IT job is amazing since the income is like no other job available to regular graduates, I’m planning on getting a few other certifications mainly in cloud technologies like GCP and Azure before I start pursuing system administration positions, thanks for asking though.
I appreciate the support! 💚 I'll keep doing my thing, who knows, maybe the youtube algorithm will shine favorably on the content and show it to the cyber security masses 😅
Just graduated masters and got a job as a cyber security engineer but you literally described what I used to do - assignments, gaming and hoping for the best.
Bro, you and I literally went down the same road and hit the same issues. This video explains where a lot of us went wrong when entering this same career field.
Yep! Exactly the same for me too! Just maybe with a little bit of weed, alcohol, and pulling all-nighters for absolutely no reason sprinkled here and there 😆😆
This 13 years of Hindsight recap is literally insanely valuable advice to receive as someone who is just starting in year 1 of Computing degree. Much appreciated you sharing so much in-depth breakdown of your journey as a fellow gaming nerd like me and so many of us.
This video should be a must watch for anyone trying to get in the industry. The first 4 minutes hit too close to home lmao (even a warrior main lmao) But thats where I currently am. Currently working towards sec+ just for the HR boost itll give with my bachelors. Planning on doing THM SoC route after, I want to start getting into a niche but i wanna get hands on training with tools first. Any other recommendations? I thought about doing Splunk training since its a niche, seems like it would help with a job better than the general THM route. Not sure though, not enough experience so i go back and forth regularly
With your bachelors bulwark of azzinoth and security+ blessed sword of the jobseeker, you should be ready to go into job finder and start applying, that should set your item level high enough. If you encounter too many elitists, you might need to supplement your item level through the SOC Level 1 raid, it's pretty easy but has a lot of high item level drops like the one you mentioned, Stones of the Splunk armor set in the SIEM wing and if you can make it to the last DF IR Wing, they drop the Relentless Redline and Grand Marshal's Malware Analysis set. Those are just a few other wings I'd recommend. The whole raid would help imo, it wouldn't take as much effort as farming for security+ wep. Once you type out a good resume to apply in job finder, I'd recommend applying all listings, even the one's that ask for higher ilvl and achievements, cause they might take you. While you wait for the job leaders to go through the apps, start researching how to farm for the Cisspmourne. Even if you don't get it, if you can clear the mobs, you'll know your gears high enough to go through the job leader's interviews. Hope that helps some 😅
@@madhatistaken Haha this is why you're my favorite tech channel . I look forward to your videos everyday. I'm basically set for sec+ atm, just doing the final touches.
I love this. I find interest in both forensic and hacking. But feeling like that's too big to achieve atm. I graduated with a bachelor degree in cyber security and now taking comptia+ but I still feel so random with my studies.
Just have to pick a direction and give it all your attention. Everyone I've talked to is constantly saying how they don't feel like they know enough in their position. So the feeling of being overwhelmed by the need to learn more might never go away. But, if you drill down on a very specific job, say digital forensics, and research what those job listings are asking for, you can narrow down your studies. As the saying goes "a jack of all trades is a master of none". Me personally I'm trying to get a better grasp on all the domains before diving into cloud security. PS don't listen to the doomers who say the market is too saturated to get a job. The market is dying for "qualified individuals", so there might be more competition now, but there's also more and more spots to fill. Become the qualified cybersecurity professional you are meant to be!
I love how honest this is sir thank you 😁 I started an online uni cyber security course, covid and life got in the way ( 6-7 years part time anyway ) now im on the cert root for speed. Im on the google cyber security cert
Man if I had cyber security friends… or just friends, I'd recommend your channel. I have no idea how you make such an awesome & dynamic background. Or how you've learned the balance between humour & genuine helpful advice. As with the skills to obtain the CPTS from Hack the Box, I will be working on developing social skills & gaining friends. When the day of friends comes, I will share this awesome channel. For now I will hit all the like buttons. Thanks for the insight & guidance! Hopefully the economy doesn't collapse before I can get into the industry.🌋 😅
Thank you for your support and kind words! I've been putting in extra time to try and make the content more helpful and more engaging so people don't get bored. I appreciate the likes 💚💚💚 I like to think cyber is recession proof! But, maybe learn some coding if it does crash 😅
As far as colleges go Western Governors University has the best Cyber Security program. Most of your classes are based off instruct certifications and your final is the cert exam. Also all the classes are at your own pace. If your motivated you could finish in 6 months.
About the why for the maths and physics : when you're a soccer player you train your feet legs, arms, shoulders generally everything. It's for general "brain expansion", so when you encounter complex and multi faceted problems your brain might be more apt to solve your day to day job problems. Just my vague theory of that.
I played loads of basketball and did AP physics, AP calculus, AP stats, and AP chem in high school, so I feel like college should not force you to take those brain expansion classes anymore. I did my time in high school ha 😅
Hey, im currently switching from pre-med to IT as I found through an internship that the doctor life was not for me. Do you have any advice for someone like me who is still anxious and nervous about the switch?
Just follow your passion. Don't waste time on doing something you won't devote extra personal time to because if you can't stand it, you'll put in the bare minimum effort. Cybersecurity is something that will require extra time outside of work to become proficient in. You don't have to study endlessly necessarily, but need to be seriously interested in computers and how they work. If you do decide to make the switch, make sure you figure out quick which part of cyber or IT you're interested in and double down on it. Whether it's networking, or security architecture, or security development operations.
My path i started using thm in college at 16 as it was all i could afford then chose a networks and cyber degree that actually taught (mostly) real, useful information - that i use today and alongside my degree i got my certificates (eJPT, CCNA1,2&3) All the while using THM to brush up on relevant info. A degree is definitely a good idea but check the course content beforehand. All that took was 3 years
I’m in my 30s and switching careers; getting my masters in cyber security engineering in November, but I’m curious if I still need certs to land a job after graduation. What do you all think?
Something to note, if you're not from the United States of America, chances are you definitely need a degree for almost anyone in the first world country or good small-medium-large companies to recognize your skills. This is coming from a guy who did 5 certs including google, IBM, and deeplearning ai on coursera and now pursuing a 2nd degree in Data Science (1st is International Relations [humanities])
What makes people believe they can do this though? I get you might be good at what you do but computer based Jobs arent for everyone. To me it just sounds like most people are lazy and don't actually want to work hard.
So basically, when it comes to picking a niche, do you mean one of the 8 domains? Also, what if a community college nearby has a cybersecurity program where you can earn the CompTia A+, Network+ and Security+ certifications?. It's about 4,000 dollars. Would you say that's good?
Do you have any regrets in your coding or cyber security journey?
Link to Learning How To Learn by Coursera:
imp.i384100.net/jrRea6
Timestamps for convenience 😋:
0:00 ➡Intro
0:13 ➡13 Years of Coding/Cybersecurity
1:37 ➡Cyber Security is HARD
2:00 ➡First Mistake
3:44 ➡Second Mistake
4:47 ➡Third Mistake
8:17 ➡Fourth Mistake
9:42 ➡Replaced by AI
11:14➡AI for dummies like me
12:07➡My hopes and dreams
12:17➡Conclusion
12:41➡BONUS FOOTAGE
12:52➡Outro
Which certs would you do if you had the money and which certs would you do if you had little money?
So, you have 13+ years of experiences as a software developer and cyber security specialist ?
@@PeterAdiSaputro😢
My one regret was never being allowed to work in the field due to lack of work experience in that field. XD
This video confirmed so many realities that I've started to become aware of towards the end of my degree. For example, certs being valued as highly as they are. Currently studying for my Security+ and debating on what I should go for next. But also, the crap-ton of job listings I've seen as for WAYYY MORE than my program (BS Computer Science) has taught me. Even entry level IT jobs want me to know how to use Windows admin tools - none of which I've been trained for. But I sure as hell took 5 COMPLETELY UNNECESSARY math courses! Not saying all of these things I haven't been taught are difficult (or easy) to learn, it's just that I'm paying for a program that has done so little to give me the experience I actually need for an entry level job.
I graduated HS at the top of my class, got full scholarship, chose community college over Northern Arizona University, dropped out of college with one class left...COLLEGE ALGEBRA!. Worked several jobs in a casino: food and bev, keno caller, slot operations then slot operations technician. Got a girl, lost a girl, lost the job, got a new job at Fry's Electronics, met a new girl, new girl is a computer geek, quit job for fraud job at bank, moved up from fraud analyst 1, fraud analyst 2, senior analyst, left job and moved to Washington state with girl, got new job in fraud, became senior analyst, bought a house, got married, lost a kid, had 2 more kids, lost the job, PANDEMIC, went back to college. We all have our own crazy and meandering path and no one goes from point A to point B.
My condolences for your loss. That's really tough. I can't imagine going through losing one of my kids.
I agree, the journey is different for everyone. I think people are so overwhelmed with options that they fail to choose a path and get lost along the way. Least that's how it was for me. I needed some direction and once I finally had it, life became a little bit easier.
what the world needs are people like you guys. Those who have tasted defeat and are coming back strong.
Nice comeback 👊
One hell of a life you’re living! Keep going dude! You know It’ll be worth it
Should of probably finished that class
Your point on discrete math definitely resonated with me. Passed the class with a D and was relieved when my advisor told me I didnt have to retake it.
I had to retake it as a summer course and still only managed a B when it was my only class that quarter 😅
I did up to calc II because I was transitioning from biomed and found out it wasn't required for my IT degree. That killed me considering I cried so much in those math classes. Discrete math was required though and I got a 4.0 in that.
@@madhatistakenI finished my first math requirement gonna do my second next semester
@@emilyau8023 I did up to calc 4 because like a primo idiot I was at the time, I thought minoring in mathematics was a good idea...I ended up having to choose between devoting all my time to linear algebra (required for major) and stopped showing up to calc 4 (I got an F of course - was too late to drop out the class). Hard lesson learned on my part.
@@businessdawg2 Best of luck in all the maths you shall have to take!
people with a non linear life give me hope and fuel. My life was crazy, worked and travelled all over the world in hotels as a chef for many years. Had no real motivation in life and just felt more depressed with every year that went by. I always thought I was too stupid for college. By the age of 29 I finally mustered up the courage to go to Uni anyway, because worst thing that could happen was that I would drop out. Anyway, I am approaching my final year in CS. Still feeling stupid, but at least now I am stupid and soon to be having a degree. I really enjoy Cybersecurity and theoretical CS so I am hoping to continue my path in this direction. Happy to have found this youtube channel!
im 25 and learned what i know so far about my computer from modding video games. Im seeing a bunch of stuff im familiar with so learning wont be too hard for me. now that im getting in the field i need to see more youtubers in this. Just subbed👍
Good info. Note that if you have many years of IT experience and want to break into a more specialized IT field, such as IT security, you don't need the Bachelor's degree, (not that it hurts if you already have it,) but your practical actual work experience will qualify you at or above that requirement in many jobs. (This is company specific though)
Spot on. More often than not, experience trumps education.
The reason it was so hard for you is because you didn’t take the traditional path.
Most people generally start off in a help desk role learning the basics. While in help desk work on a cert or a few. A good entry level cert to shoot for is sec+.
After that they generally move in to a sysad role. In this role you generally learn how security is actually implemented. You work with the security guys every day making sure things are patched, up to date, and functioning correctly.
From there you start to specialize. You either continue as a sysad and move up to a manager/department lead position. Or you start to specialize in cyber security and begin to move over.
I also don’t know a single person who would recommend a strictly cyber security path degree. The CS degree is going to be so much more worth while. The programming skills will help you automate tedious repetitive tasks and you have a broader knowledge of computer systems in general.
But at the end of the day, you don’t need college at all. In fact if you don’t have certs along with that degree or good connections you won’t be landing anything but a help desk role anyways. A degree is just padding in this world unless you have the experience and certs to back it up.
I watched a few videos from popular cyber security TH-camr's and they said the Help Desk method is an old idea that isn't necessary anymore. They also said you don't require a Comp. Sci. Degree. It's all very confusing!
@@Shannon_Robbie It's not necessary. The same way a Comp Sci degree isn't necessary. There's many different routes to take.
Many roles in the security realm will require experience. You can't gain experience if you haven't worked in the role. Being a part of help desk or sys ad proves you have the experience and knowledge of computer systems and can translate into security once you get certified or qualified well enough.
-Just a degree proves you can learn.
-Just help desk experience means you can deal with users and know how the system works.
-A sysad will generally be certified with at least sec+. Which will likely be the bare minimum requirement for a security role. They will also have experience with patching and remediating systems which is extremely important.
If college is not an option for you try and get your Sec+ and a certification in the area you want to specialize. There are a ton of road maps online to help with that.
If college is an option for you, try and get a role as a help desk member or see if an internship position for sysad/networking is available. While you're there or while in school try and get a certification. Experience will be KEY in your applications. It will put you above everyone else with just a degree. A degree is great but in all the interviews I have been a part of or listened in on experience was the major factor.
Sorry if this is rambly or incoherent. I am currently struggling to stay awake.
@mr.shannonvenasse7155 watch some more, because the biggest ones def do not say that.
Furthermore, the Helpdesk path is a good idea, because you learn basics of a computer, learn things you might not think your going to need to know.
I worked Help desk, left the field, ran a business, am now back in help desk and learning CS.
That background helped ALOT, I picked up Python very quickly, much quicker than other folks I know that started around the same time. Know why? Because I build websites as a hobby, and Python is very similar to HTML/CSS/JS, if you know those Python is a breeze. I like the channel, played games, made websites for guilds, and now that's helping me in career path.
Playing games, like WOW, also taught me alot of social engineering, which is a very important skill in Cyber Security.
Point is, don't down play ANY experiences, or any skills you have or have gained in life. Pen Testers especially, break things and rebuild them, that is troubleshooting, that is Help Desk, that is Car Mechanic work, ect. Understanding how to take something apart, and put it back together, without being told how, is a much needed Hacking skill, because that is what you will be doing, 90% of the time.
The key to being a good pen tester, is not only breaking in, it's making sure no one knows you did it. And that is where helpdesk experience comes in. It's one thing to know how to take it apart, another to put it back together.
@@Shannon_Robbie - Please allow me to clear the air for you: one of my neighbors works in the NOC for a major defense contractor. As he related it to me, they will take employees without certs and without four year degrees and place them into highly technical projects and programs because they have the experience and the knowledge and the curiosity to work the problem and create a new solution. That neighbor's background is in finance.
Let me repeat: he went from finance to military defense contractor NOC.
Ready for another one? I was interviewing with the Program Director of a major national software company. Big enough in fact that when I told my brother about it, he said, "oh yeah, we user their software in our [redacted thing]." As the Program Director related to me, their organization is really unimpressed with the declining quality of candidates that the four year universities are turning out. He asked me a very basic hashing versus encryption question. Then he went on to say that, "You would be surprised how many candidates coming out of four year degree programs cannot answer that," and I thought to myself, "Wow that's crazy."
Ready for another one? The guy who built the NSA's first red team iteration and their security operations center "The Pit" was initially hired on as a crypto analyst without any Cryptography experience. There's even half of a dark net diary podcast about it. Look up episode 83. The whole run is interesting, but the story of Jeff Man starts at about the 36 minute mark.
That last example is an older one, but it highlights how it is possible, and in our field, the trad flow path from helpdesk to sysadmin to SOC to CIO/CISO/CTO is fading fast. That may be happening because of the very broad and widening chasm in the cyber talent pool versus the ever increasing openings. The help desk role is a meat grinder and it weeds out people who may have made very decent Analysts at the SOC and super sales engineers, but just could not stand the total experience of the front end of the career track. I am not digging at the trad path; it works for some people, and those brave warriors who spend months or years in a call center and survive it deserve every promotion and reward they get. In fact, double or quadruple their rewards for their steadfast devotion.
When I realized at 6 months into the trad Help Desk track that I was essentially Project Coordinator for a zero down time warm site and hot site infrastructure upgrade involving a very large customer SQL dbase migration with zero errors for $20 an hour, (poof!) I was up and out of there! Vaya con Dios, amigos! Used my savings and some help to enroll in a Cyber Security not-quite-a-bootcamp school house with a live SOC environment to get hands on, got my cert, and here I am in my current position which still has me wondering if in fact I am dreaming...
TL;DR - light the fire, start the learning journey, get Security+, get hands on, and break into the role.
@@xCheddarB0b42xwhat’s your role now?
Bro has given me hope for some reason, thanks for sharing your struggle its comforting in some weird way :) you da best.
Thats fine, you’ll never know what you really need when you were young esp during school days until you get a job and realizehow much potential you could have gained if you were just aware of the real world.
Funny how many of us gave up in college because of math 😂 I did nails, moved across the country right before covid effed it all up, so never had a chance to build a clientele there, did Doordash, Amazon delivery, finally got a job in a salon, but never could make money with it, so moved back where we came from, gave up on nails, started working with disabled adults, had one move in with us, that pays for a LOT and now I'm trying to learn about cybersecurity 😂 things are weird. Thanks for the video!
I’m 25 and beginning a bachelor’s degree that includes multiple certs, I’m so excited. There are so many possibilities with AI and I can’t wait to spend my career working with it.
This made me feel so much better, I was starting to doubt if this two yr online degree plus a few certs would be enough.
I'm getting a degree in CIS and Im very happy to have found this, i know i want to focus more on data collection, and storage. but i appreciate a better breakdown of an industry that is itself a fog of knowledge!!!!
What are you taking if you mind?
I just turned 35. I've worked shit jobs. Leaving jobs because bad management and or no growth options. I need to get my shit together and cyber security has my interest.
made me happy to hear wgu. thats where im getting my bach from right now and thank god they counted the first 2 years I from a AA. Like your videos
It's a pretty well known institution and they appear to allocate a good chunk of money to advertising it. I've heard great success stories from graduates of the program!💚
Great video man! please make a video going deeper on the things we should be learning and where to learn! specifically hands on projects. Not certifications.
I'll try to mix it up! Lots of stuff to discuss, building a portfolio of projects is on the list of upcoming videos 😁
Man I'm so thankful I found your channel! Keep it up!
Going on 27 (Fuck im old). I have a degree in electrical engineering but somehow ended up working IT contracting jobs since i was 17. Finally starting to get my shit together and your videos have been a huge help. Much thanks!
TL;DW
The transcript discusses the speaker's personal journey in the cybersecurity field, starting from their initial struggles to their eventual realization of the importance of specialization and continuous learning. They emphasize the need to pick a specific career path within cybersecurity and develop expertise in that area. The speaker reflects on the inefficiency of their college education, suggesting that online courses and certifications could be more beneficial. They also discuss the increasing role of automation and AI in cybersecurity and the importance of staying updated with evolving technologies and tools. The transcript ends with a humorous reference to retirement dreams and a reminder to learn efficiently and adapt to the changing landscape of cybersecurity.
💯 nailed it 👌
Thanks for sharing your story and struggles, is way different as i imagined
I just signed up for a cyber security bootcamp that's all self pace. I'm excited.
New subscriber. Great humor and funny editing. For future videos, bring the audience with you on your journey of using AI to improve your cybersec skills so we can learn how to best leverage the new tech.
You're talking the same way how I feel. I did waste a ton of time not on nothing but on studying low quality tutorials and doing mega projects while knowing little to nothing. I have mastered C# early and other simple stuff like OOP and Data Structures but I had a very problematic issue, when I create like big software after completing half or more the software just performs very slow, another problem was not knowing about SOLID and DRY principles so I was literally repeating the same code all over the project and creating a very tightly coupled code. After learning about clean code, clean architecture, DDD, microservices, and CQRS, everything worked will but i wasted a lot of time.
YO LETS GO! Had to comment before I even watched it. Thanks homie!
Hope it's satisfactory 😅
@@madhatistaken RIP WOW!( _____________________________________________ moment of silence) I had to do the same thing. Good points. Are you going to do a discord or anything? I would ask about a LinkedIn but your wearing a mask so........
@bigbojangles4585 Seems like discord is the move, I think if I can land a sweet gig I'll reward myself by making one 😅 channel growing slow and steady
Linear algebra is ROUGH! I got a math degree and linear algebra was maybe the hardest class. The smartest person in our class had to retake it!
Love the videos.
I’m really considering a career change and these videos are so useful.
What method did you use to find out what niche you were looking for?
6:51 Well, here is a list of reasons Biology and chemistry is applied in the field of cybersecurity: Biometrics and Authentication, DNA Cryptography, Chemical Signatures for Malware Detection, Bio-inspired Algorithms, Virus and Immune System Analogy, Cyber-Physical Systems Security, Quantum Computing Security, Phishing Detection...
Loved this video, thank you for sharing your experience and also the course you recommended is also really helpful.
That was my take away from several of my classes. Id do the practical work and the exams, pass with a good grade and one month later I'd find myself questioning how much of it I actually remembered.
Glad to hear I wasn't the only one 😅
Same here man, I am am in my second year in school in a cybersecurity program, and I feel as if I dont remember a whole lot of the actual information thrown at me
Thankfully, WoW practically begs you to quit after MoP. Maybe a tiny rebound with Legion, but you quickly realize things didn't work out for a reason.
you probably saved my life if i make it i'll reach up to u man, may god bless you and your family
Thanks heaps for your advice.
Our federal government (Australia) implemented fee-free technical college classes this year, & the quality of delivery is abysmal. I would be pissed off to the max if I had of paid full tuition fee. I'd better move on than start venting 🤬
So in frustration I started attending University of TH-cam, & watched videos like yours.
Thanks for the Coursera link, and the advice about learning. With the course I'm doing I feel like I'm reading about 15 books on 'how to ride a bicycle,' and we all know the best way to learn how to ride a bike.
I'm doing fee free Tafe at the moment in Cybersec. The delivery is pretty confusing compared to my 4 years I spent in Uni, as well as the quality being poorer. But it's free so I can't complain and I'll be qualified at the end of it. I to use TH-cam and other sources to gain more knowledge. I'm under the impression this is expected though.
I’m 21 years old and have two years left to complete my bachelor’s degree in computer science. I plan to take courses in networking and pursue cybersecurity certification. what do u think about this?
Loved you dude, you are so relatable
Funny, informative.... love it. Instant subscribe.
You're hilarious bro. Thanks for the gems.
Great video, I completely feel this
Thank you, im 21 with a year left at a community College, im transferring to uw for computer science degree, if i want to get in the i need to do a whole lot more.
Love your stuff. What codes do you typically use?
Python and Yara 😁
I have a background in IT since I was 15 never finished HS (long story) went to community college for CS left after a little over a year cause my mom and grandma passed. Had two kids, worked in web marketing for a remodeling company for 12 years recently quit to drive rideshare, not sure where to go from here. Your videos help a lot thanks. Think I’m gonna go for the comptia security+ to azure and or AWS you suggested in another vid. Any advice from this community would be greatly appreciated thanks!
Is cybersecurity sales a niche? I want to get into the sales part, and working on my certs and portfolio to have the basic understanding, but not sure if that's a niche in itself or what niche I need to learn to get in. Any suggestions? Thanks!
thank you man. I'm 21 and what should I master first . I also forget things fast and smoke .
nothing else
This video was mistitled, it should’ve been mistakes learning cybersecurity
damn dude this is actually really useful man!!
Just a quick question, I'm planning to take my degrees soon and just wanted to ask, if i want to join red team, I want to be trained and work as a ethical hacker, which degree should I pursue? I was thinking of computer science, and take a specialized course in cyber security. What will be the appropriate path towards that?
Could you go more into detail on what CERTS is if possible
Cybersecurity certifications, this is a pretty helpful chart of well known ones: pauljerimy.com/security-certification-roadmap/
Amazing vid
Subscribed. good shit & what he says at 6:50 is so true and its a big club and your not in it :(
This is awesome!!!!❤
A lot of IT jobs I can do are locked behind a 4 year degree, or 5 years experience
I'm going to wgu and not only do they give you bachelor but 15 certifications as well!
07:55 what certs would you recommend to get into the field with an actually useful baseline of information? Currently have 1 yr 3 mo left in the Marine Corps and trying to figure out what path I want to go down while I'm still in, before I get out and after. Any insight is helpful, thank you.
There is value in knowing math at least calculus. It's not the math itself that's useful but how it allows you to comprehend complex problems.
I took AP calculus in high school up until quitting at calc 4 in college. I believe learning the complexities of machine code and programming is enough to provide the same "mind expanding" that calculus can provide. Just my two cents though 💚
Lol "What's the probability of me using this class.. 0%". That's how I felt when I took my statistics course, I subbed after that.
Google offers a IT certification program, apparently it's respected? I'm not sure.. maybe someone with experience can correct me if I'm wrong, thanks!
Great video!
💚
Thanks
no I have to quit WoW?! Can't I just start with lua?
How would I get into soc analyst/auditing?
“Technical writi-CHATGPT”
What’s the correct certification path? And do you really not use math in cyber?
I haven't used math the entire time in my security analyst role. Other than subnetting there isn't any math in any cyber field really. Unless you're explaining the cost of security tools to the c-suite 😅
@11:12
you should have said: if you don't know what AI is, ask chatgpt 😅
I'm in my 6/8 cert of Google Cybersecurity Certification, wich certification you recommended me to do after completing them?
The part of the certificate that I enjoyed the most so far was the 5 cert (Assest, threats and vulnerabilities)
6:20 They thought selling cyber sec and why they need to hire one, was because that was put in place during XP times when people didn't have this idea of cyber sec. Now we understand why we need cyber sec so bad. So telling us how to sell is a waste of time.
People are still hard to convince. And by people I mean the people in charge of large expenses for companies...
I'm in my early 30's. Currently unemployed with zero savings and I'm starting my life all over again from scratch by learning Cyber Security because of bad decisions I made in my 20's. If there is anyone in their 30's and above, I wish you all the best and know that we still have a lot of time so don't worry. We got this!
you're not alone
Im 27 and same thing bron.. zero information and experiences in anything
Best of luck to you all in the comments.
I'm 37 and starting my life over, you're not alone. Best of luck to everybody
Day by day brotha 💯
I’m living in the golden age of information access
Also means much more competition
@@FairleyWhite not many people are compentent enough to put in the work.
100% true. We have so much information it is so overwhelming that I feel lazy to even start. Also because it;s the information age there are so much garbage to try and filter which makes it a big con
@@damn6213that’s what you think
Hell yeah
I am literally doing what you did right now. I'm in school right now, learning the basics. Thanks for the advice! And I'm 32 years old. I made some very stupid decisions in my younger years so I'm pretty much starting my life over.
right there with you ! we got this
Same here
Same same. Mid-30s Career change is nerve wrecking but it feels good to hear going back to college is not only ok to not do, but a waste of time and money.
Same age, same here, bro! All the best!
Me too
I think the ideal route is to apply for your Bachelors program, find an entry level IT job, and then begin studying your A+,Net+, and Sec+. After four years you'll have your degree, four years of and 3 entry level certifications.
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After four years of experience and a Bachelors, you should *not* still be playing with the trifecta. You should already have your mid level/associate certs and be moving into expert level ones.
It is possible to go direct for Security+ and enter a nice paying SOC Analyst role, but requires a certain... learning style and personality type. I'm not trying to dig at you, but the traditional career flow as laid out is becoming less common in industry as a practical matter due to the gaping and widening talent chasm.
One of our instructors went from Unlicensed Artisan Burrito Operations Specialist at Chipotle to Palo Alto Networks in I think three years he said. If a person has their fire lit and, adopts The Tinkerer's Mindset, and is curious and driven daily, (end of platitudes) they can succeed by going direct to Security+ plus the portfolio of projects and break in. And once we're in, we have to actively make a mistake and try to lose Persistence within the industry.
I just graduated high school and I already have the sec+, it is not hard enough for that, and A+/Net+ aren't even focused on cybersecurity, just IT.
Certificates afaik are a waste of time
I graduated high school back in 2011 been working at warehouse since. Just now starting school for cyber defense at 29.
Awesome! Keep up the learning and you'll join the #cyberarmy in no time 💚
Similar here, started college at 24 because I can't get any Fasfa because of how much my father made, it not even being much, I had to wait for 24 to get loans anyways with like 30% cover from the grant
As someone in her 30's transitioning from software development to security I really appreciated this video. Great advice - and super entertaining
WHy not Security through software development?
so by having a bit experience of software development will be plus point for cyber security
i'm trying to get into software development so i'd appreciate tips from you. What are the best and most popular niches to learn? should i learn multiple languages at the same time?
@@MAG320please can enlighten me more on this?
I'm trying to do the opposite lol. From cyber security to software engineering. What made you want to make the switch?
Just wanted to confirm that the "Learning how to Learn" course on Coursera is phenomenal. I worked through it as part of a free, online coding bootcamp I did, and I realized that the professor (Barbara Oakley) was actually one of my professors back in college. She's awesome. It was wild to find out she was my old engineering professor before I dropped out, lol.
It's worth taking the time to go through. Gotta realize that learning cyber is definitely a marathon. You're in this learning process for years - and probably the rest of your career. Slow down and work through these things!
This resonates with me, I thought I could just cram the Google cyber secuirty cert and immediately get a security analyst position. Got a rude awakening when I applied to countless jobs and never heard back. I now have been treating this like you said as more of a marathon life long learning process and it’s been alot more rewarding.
I’ve had a Cyber Analyst tell me that if he knew back then what he knows today he would have skipped his degree in college and invested that time into Certifications and Labs and would be where he is today a lot sooner.
He also advised me that if you goto college pertaining to IT it becomes pointless unless you are going for a very specific IT job that requires it.
“Pointless”. Lol. Tel that to hiring managers. And does he think a degree isn’t valuable if you’re Middle Aged with a few yrs with light / limited exp?
@@newagain9964 I quite litteraly work at a Higher Ed, I have no degree got my job over people with masters degrees, and few people on our team have degrees. I am middle aged, and have yet to not get a job that I have applied for ever in my life, and this is my 3rd It position in that lifetime.
Why did I get the job over people with masters? "When we asked technical questions, they answered it like it was coming from a book, they knew the right words, but that was it, Even in the questions that you got things wrong, like the acronym wrong, you made it clear you had experience with it in real life. You understood how the tech actually worked, not just what you read from a book, they could tell us how to configure/fixed XXXX in theory, you told us how you HAVE configured/fixed XXXX in the past".
Hiring Managers dont give a crap about Degrees, HR does. Hiring Mangers care if you can DO THE JOB, and none of that theoritical bull they teach you is going to accomplish that. Its the same thing for the non practical certs, You can answer a multiple choice Test, cool, but can you actually configure that firewall? If all you got is some classes and a Network+ its very much not likely. They dont want the guy that knows what a book says, they want the guy that configured that firewall 100x over.
Hes arguing demonstrated specific industry knowledge is more valuable than theoretical general education. This is accurate in todays job market. Sounds like we found the lurking recruiter/aspiring HR manager though lol
Depending on what you're doing, a degree is still very important. Data structures don't really change. Objects, Arrays, and the like are very much the same as they were 40-50 years ago. Basics are important.
Security analyst here, can confirm. There's a difference between education and talent.
These people can’t even reset their windows passwords on their own.. they can’t even submit a ticket .. you expect them to know use AI. Bro lol
I feel like this can probably be applied to other degrees as well. I'm still considering a degree in electrical engineering or computer science as well (leaning more towards electrical engineering), and there are so so many sub fields to go into. The degrees themselves alone are very broad.
Thanks for the content!
Thank you for watching! Agreed, the fields you mentioned and most degrees encompass a lot. Gotta figure out what exact job is for you and dive deep into it 💚
Kill two birds with one stone computer engineering! You will have the tools to learn the most important aspects in both fields.
Wait until you find out about Computer Engineering :D
@@edwinfigueroa9290 Wait I didn't see this guys comment LMAO
My path was fairly simple but I got stuck in tutorial hell and learning purgatory for a decent chunk of my time learning, I learned python with by doing the challenge called “100 days of code”, learned basic file system and system administration commands with Linux and Microsoft powershell & cmd, learned common exploits, installed kali Linux onto a ventoy usb, used a promotion code and signed up to hack the box, focused on networking for a bit, focused more on powershell after realizing how little I know about it, learned ruby and php with books from Amazon, learned malware analysis and basic reverse engineering along with a smidge of x86 assembly, did a bunch of try hack me ctfs, decided to study and research terms used in vulnerability reports on hacker news finally purchased hack the box’s pen testing specialist certification course, *passed* .
What are you doing now?
@@callmeetc When I did my certification on hack the box I had just graduated from a trade school where I was taking software design classes, so currently I'm just hunting for a basic IT position like helpdesk I really wanna do system admin work but gotta start somewhere ig.
edit: (until I can find a job I'm really just seeing how I can improve my skills, doing ctfs studying networks and cloud technologies like AWS, and basic preparation things)
@@rainyonrecordhey man, it's been 8 months since you made this comment, how is your life now? Did you get a job?
@@itsaddi666 pretty good, working entry level IT as of right now, mainly doing help desk work but going from being straight outta high school to doing a IT job is amazing since the income is like no other job available to regular graduates, I’m planning on getting a few other certifications mainly in cloud technologies like GCP and Azure before I start pursuing system administration positions, thanks for asking though.
@@itsaddi666im invested too. Now i need to know 😅
One of the most underrated infosec yt channels I've seen. You deserve at least 500k subs. Keep goin' man
I appreciate the support! 💚 I'll keep doing my thing, who knows, maybe the youtube algorithm will shine favorably on the content and show it to the cyber security masses 😅
Just graduated masters and got a job as a cyber security engineer but you literally described what I used to do - assignments, gaming and hoping for the best.
1:46 easy. LOL
I started coding selftaught. LOL
Now I'm getting into cybersec. Specifically pentest.
What's the best field where I can work from home, make bank, and play WoW for the majority of my shift?
transition to a woman, get married, get pregnant, divorce
Bro, you and I literally went down the same road and hit the same issues. This video explains where a lot of us went wrong when entering this same career field.
Yep! Exactly the same for me too! Just maybe with a little bit of weed, alcohol, and pulling all-nighters for absolutely no reason sprinkled here and there 😆😆
This 13 years of Hindsight recap is literally insanely valuable advice to receive as someone who is just starting in year 1 of Computing degree. Much appreciated you sharing so much in-depth breakdown of your journey as a fellow gaming nerd like me and so many of us.
i Am 23 years old ..could you recommend some certifications, the mandatory one for entry-level in cybersecurity after masters in this field
Currently getting my BS In information system security and I felt so many of your points in my bones. Thanks for the vid. First time catching one.
This video should be a must watch for anyone trying to get in the industry. The first 4 minutes hit too close to home lmao (even a warrior main lmao) But thats where I currently am. Currently working towards sec+ just for the HR boost itll give with my bachelors. Planning on doing THM SoC route after, I want to start getting into a niche but i wanna get hands on training with tools first. Any other recommendations? I thought about doing Splunk training since its a niche, seems like it would help with a job better than the general THM route. Not sure though, not enough experience so i go back and forth regularly
With your bachelors bulwark of azzinoth and security+ blessed sword of the jobseeker, you should be ready to go into job finder and start applying, that should set your item level high enough. If you encounter too many elitists, you might need to supplement your item level through the SOC Level 1 raid, it's pretty easy but has a lot of high item level drops like the one you mentioned, Stones of the Splunk armor set in the SIEM wing and if you can make it to the last DF IR Wing, they drop the Relentless Redline and Grand Marshal's Malware Analysis set. Those are just a few other wings I'd recommend. The whole raid would help imo, it wouldn't take as much effort as farming for security+ wep. Once you type out a good resume to apply in job finder, I'd recommend applying all listings, even the one's that ask for higher ilvl and achievements, cause they might take you. While you wait for the job leaders to go through the apps, start researching how to farm for the Cisspmourne. Even if you don't get it, if you can clear the mobs, you'll know your gears high enough to go through the job leader's interviews. Hope that helps some 😅
@@madhatistaken Haha this is why you're my favorite tech channel . I look forward to your videos everyday. I'm basically set for sec+ atm, just doing the final touches.
@@Strive117 😅I appreciate the support! I'll keep keepin' on, best of luck with sec+!
@@madhatistaken Update on this* I passed Security +! time to get rejected by m+ elitist (they dont take gladiator as appropriate work experience)
@@Strive117 WOOOO 🎉🎊🥳Nice work!! Good luck on job finder, I'm sure you'll find a group leader willing to take your glad xp, just gotta be persistent!
Lmao the Biden clip
I love this.
I find interest in both forensic and hacking. But feeling like that's too big to achieve atm.
I graduated with a bachelor degree in cyber security and now taking comptia+ but I still feel so random with my studies.
All cyber security student are feeling so random😢
@@GameHackingGuru What would you recommend?
Just have to pick a direction and give it all your attention. Everyone I've talked to is constantly saying how they don't feel like they know enough in their position. So the feeling of being overwhelmed by the need to learn more might never go away. But, if you drill down on a very specific job, say digital forensics, and research what those job listings are asking for, you can narrow down your studies. As the saying goes "a jack of all trades is a master of none". Me personally I'm trying to get a better grasp on all the domains before diving into cloud security.
PS don't listen to the doomers who say the market is too saturated to get a job. The market is dying for "qualified individuals", so there might be more competition now, but there's also more and more spots to fill. Become the qualified cybersecurity professional you are meant to be!
I love how honest this is sir thank you 😁 I started an online uni cyber security course, covid and life got in the way ( 6-7 years part time anyway ) now im on the cert root for speed. Im on the google cyber security cert
Keep up the learning grind! You've got this!
can you break down your job for me? I want to get into this type of profession
Man if I had cyber security friends… or just friends, I'd recommend your channel.
I have no idea how you make such an awesome & dynamic background.
Or how you've learned the balance between humour & genuine helpful advice.
As with the skills to obtain the CPTS from Hack the Box, I will be working on developing social skills & gaining friends.
When the day of friends comes, I will share this awesome channel.
For now I will hit all the like buttons. Thanks for the insight & guidance!
Hopefully the economy doesn't collapse before I can get into the industry.🌋 😅
Thank you for your support and kind words! I've been putting in extra time to try and make the content more helpful and more engaging so people don't get bored. I appreciate the likes 💚💚💚
I like to think cyber is recession proof! But, maybe learn some coding if it does crash 😅
Bro let’s be friends 😭😭 I wanna step up
same 😂
me too
@@ArdxnFX @tarunkatta9261 We can start a no-friends cyber security group. 😆
As far as colleges go Western Governors University has the best Cyber Security program. Most of your classes are based off instruct certifications and your final is the cert exam. Also all the classes are at your own pace. If your motivated you could finish in 6 months.
About the why for the maths and physics : when you're a soccer player you train your feet legs, arms, shoulders generally everything. It's for general "brain expansion", so when you encounter complex and multi faceted problems your brain might be more apt to solve your day to day job problems.
Just my vague theory of that.
I played loads of basketball and did AP physics, AP calculus, AP stats, and AP chem in high school, so I feel like college should not force you to take those brain expansion classes anymore. I did my time in high school ha 😅
Hey, im currently switching from pre-med to IT as I found through an internship that the doctor life was not for me. Do you have any advice for someone like me who is still anxious and nervous about the switch?
Just follow your passion. Don't waste time on doing something you won't devote extra personal time to because if you can't stand it, you'll put in the bare minimum effort. Cybersecurity is something that will require extra time outside of work to become proficient in. You don't have to study endlessly necessarily, but need to be seriously interested in computers and how they work. If you do decide to make the switch, make sure you figure out quick which part of cyber or IT you're interested in and double down on it. Whether it's networking, or security architecture, or security development operations.
“What’s the probability of me using this class? Zero.”
Me towards the vast majority of my classes when I was in college.
We were scammed! 😅 At least we have the piece of paper though
@@madhatistaken HAHAHAHAHAHAH
My path i started using thm in college at 16 as it was all i could afford then chose a networks and cyber degree that actually taught (mostly) real, useful information - that i use today and alongside my degree i got my certificates (eJPT, CCNA1,2&3) All the while using THM to brush up on relevant info. A degree is definitely a good idea but check the course content beforehand. All that took was 3 years
Yeah I’m too dumb for this.
I’m in my 30s and switching careers; getting my masters in cyber security engineering in November, but I’m curious if I still need certs to land a job after graduation. What do you all think?
Something to note, if you're not from the United States of America, chances are you definitely need a degree for almost anyone in the first world country or good small-medium-large companies to recognize your skills. This is coming from a guy who did 5 certs including google, IBM, and deeplearning ai on coursera and now pursuing a 2nd degree in Data Science (1st is International Relations [humanities])
What makes people believe they can do this though? I get you might be good at what you do but computer based Jobs arent for everyone. To me it just sounds like most people are lazy and don't actually want to work hard.
So basically, when it comes to picking a niche, do you mean one of the 8 domains? Also, what if a community college nearby has a cybersecurity program where you can earn the CompTia A+, Network+ and Security+ certifications?. It's about 4,000 dollars. Would you say that's good?
'I'm looking at you Humanities' - I feel personally attacked rn, LOL