I completely agree with you. I’m also tired of the never ending debate and PC players talking down on controller aim, and acting like we don’t have any skills. The name already gives it off ,aim ASSIST, It’ll assist you but not DIRECTLY aim for you. I do understand why PC players don’t want to play against controller players with aim assist competitively though. But in Quick Play? That should be absolutely alright Just doesn’t feel good to hear „Hurrr durrr GM console is like silver on PC 🤓 you’re only good because of aim assist, console has no awareness - you move like bots“ Great video and thank you for the tag 🫶
I kinda get it, but when it comes to rankdle in Jay3 streams, you usually have to boost the rank a bit. I know this goes against the whole point of the video, but strategically adding a rank when you see a console play is usually correct.
Words without contexts, in this case, the technicality of the function, is worthless. Like materials strength vs toughness, synonymous as words without contexts but are actually very different contextually. Aim assist is pretty much aiming for the player if the player is barely moving the potentiometer against a strafing enemy
As a very small OW console content creator, I appreciate you for speaking about this. There's times that I receive comments like "You're really good for a Diamond player. You should switch to PC" and I understand that some people are trying to help but I like my console, controller, and competitive on console.
Man sometimes i get the "Nice aim assist play on pc" etc. But IM LITERALLY ALREADY ON PC............ So i feel ya'lls pain i just gotta get 2-3 kills w hanzo or widow at the beggining of a match and its instant accusing of me using aim assist...
Every single thing you said is 100% correct but one thing I’m surprised you didn’t speak about is the huge frame rate difference between us a lot of console players including myself play on 60fps vs the 144fps + that pc players get on top of everything else they already have so in reality that alone creates a gigantic gap that was already big enough and even with the 120fps with new gen consoles that still isn’t great because the difference between 120fps and 144fps + is insane you legitimately feel like you’re getting shot behind walls at times or you feel like they see you before you see them
@@Demigodson I ain’t gonna lie I forgot that too you just get so use to it after years of playing but regardless of that this was a great video I’m surprised I got tagged keep it up mane :D
The amount of times I try to get to cover and think "I'll be fine" only to die. Then watch the killcam and half my body or my ankles are sticking out while I'm literally facing a wall on my screen is very frustrating.
I used to play OW2 on console (and many other battle Royale games like Apex, etc) and it is HARD! Like PC people need to realize that we could only aim with a THUMB while they have a whole HAND to aim with. I play on PC now but I still love/respect console and anyone who plays on it either for fun or competitively.
@@somedude6991it actually can sometimes. Aim assist sometimes dont let u have full control over ur aim especially if theirs multiple targets near eachother ur aim assist doesnt know wtf to do
Something i want to add, is that when crossplay came out originally, the ability to play on Dual Zone was gone in PC lobbies and it auto swapped you to Exponential or Linear the moment you went into a PC pool match. On top of the fact that your sensitivity was slightly boosted because they wanted to allow a higher sensitivity to compete with the turn speed of mnk. It did all of this behind the scenes on top of removing Aim Assist so of course none of us could aim on crossplay lobbies.
Preach! 🙏 The amount of times I had PC players coping under my videos with the classic "YuO woUldn‘t bE aBLe to dO tHiS on PC" is ridiculous. I think it’s just envy most of the time. They can never acknowledge that someone on console might POSSIBLY be better than them so they just degrade us.
It's been many years since I've touched a shooter on console. I'm a high rank PC player, and I respect high skilled console players in OW, cuz that shit is so difficult when this game is so fast paced! I did try plugging in a controller for some QP games to remember how it felt. I performed decently well since I did have past experience with controller, but lord, the fatigue from having to move the joystick around so much!
I play console because I have no feeling in my left hand. I cannot use keyboard controls bc of my issue. Some people have to play console. It was always sad to have my pc friends say I had stuff easier. This was great and helpful information. Everyone can learn from this content. Great video.
The part that surprised me was what you said about movement. I knew that Aim was easier with mouse than with controller, but I thought movement would be easier on a controller as you're not locked into 8 directions and have the ability to choose your speed. But it's true that the dead zone will matter far more often than those benefits. It's just not something I had thought about before, it's interesting.
I absolutely can confirm this vid. I swapped to PC toward the tail end of OW1 and used a controller on PC (No aim assist allowed on PC) all the way until 2 seasons ago. It took 2 weeks of playing on mouse and keyboard before my aim tripled. I was plat on controller. Now i'm well past that now. I full agree with this vid. We shouldn't be shunning aim assist.
Great video, I agree with everything you said. 👏🏾 But one disadvantage for controller you didn't mention is having to remove your thumbs from the joysticks to use the d-pad & face-buttons. Having to stop moving (left stick) or stop looking (right stick) to use the d-pad & face-buttons in the middle of a fight is one limitation PC players don't have to deal with. Even the 0.5 second delay, of moving my thumb from the right-joystick to 🔺️ button (PS4), has caused me to lose fights because I couldn't get my ULT off in time. (For example: playing Zen when Reaper ULTs)
Thats also true, but that one can be easily fixed with either having paddles or playing claw or even just changing your button mapping, but that is a great point
I swapped across to pc from console in season 9. I never played on mouse and keyboard before this swap. I placed plat 4 and dropped to gold 5 because I was still learning m&k. After I got the hang of m&k, I climbed up to master 5. I was still playing on console as well, and my console rank was diamond 3. I wonder which is actually easier 🤔
I started playing ow2 on console a bit at S9 too. Last time I touched a controller was like 2014 on MW2 and BO2, it took me 2 - 3 weeks of playing few hours every few days on console to reach Master 4 on dps. My aim on controller is nothing compared to my aim on mouse, but I have to say neither are console Master players compared to PC Masters. I also befriended a low Master genji player, he was so sure that he could take on PC players of the same rank with ease, so we played a few games on PC lobbies. Safe to say he did not do very well, he couldnt really keep up that well.. I have to say that console lobbies felt a lot easier compared to PC. Might just be me but id say average console player has no chance against pc player.
I switched to K&M very recently, but when I was on console, I noticed everyone plays with super strong aim assist, while I've always kept mine very low. The pain I would get when I watched a killcam and I was killed by someone doing little to no compensation for their aim was soo annoying. I'm not saying aim assist is OP, but it does a lot of heavy lifting for those with bad aim. Instead of relying on aim assist, I decided to keep mine low a long time ago I will say, it only took me like two weeks to get good at M&K and reach Plat 1 (I peaked at Master 3 on console). K&M is still significantly easier. It took me years to get good at controller
Love this video! Feels good to see someone give genuine arguments against the AA is broken allegations. Side note: What a fuckin pulse bomb on the widow
My very first time I ever played a shooter game on MnK, I had better movement in the first game than I had ever gotten over SEVERAL YEARS on controller
Pc player here! Love the video, sums up my thoughts perfectly. I've played on ps4 before and with aim assist it only feels slightly worse than pc so all you're thinking about is the important aspects of the game, whereas without assist, aim (or the lack) is essentially all you can think about because it's impossible to aim. Imo the best way to solve it is to bring gyro over to platforms besides switch, although it is a pretty niche way of playing so i doubt it would be popular.
I thing i love to bring up when i hearing a pc play complain about AA is "if AA is so good why don't you switch to controller" followed by them listing excuses or complaints about controller sucking. AA it's a necessary evil we are only aiming with our thumb when pc player have their entire arm to aim.
I don't see the issue since there is no cross play in comp, both communities are separated and will (hopefully) remain so, why do you care what pc players do, if you aren't even playing with or against them?
Holy shit brother Ive been a MnK player my whole life and I'll be buying a ps5 soon so I was thinking of switching. I tried searching for overwatch top console players and it didnt give me shit, I only found you, thanks for the list of other creators, I had tried controller on PC before (I think aim assist was not working or I am just super fucking bad) and it was horrible I couldn't even look straight. I hope I improve and I hope its better to play on controller on a console.
I've been a long time player on Overwatch both on PC and console. While I spent most of my hours on the PC version back on OW1, I do also have fun playing on the Switch and Playstation version too. I usually enjoy playing the game on different platforms from time to time, simply because I like playing with different variety of players. I am glad I'm not the only one who feels this way when it comes to the console pools and aim assist. As a player who has been experiencing both PC and console of the game for years, I clearly do know the difference in between aiming with a mouse and controller. It really does make me cringe how PC players are so egotistical that they feel the need to compare aim assist (an in-game mechanic that's specifically designed to steady the aim for the console player) to aimbot (a software purposefully made to instantly snap onto the head of your target), the difference isn't hard to notice. PC players shouldn't even be complaining anyway, because they STILL and ALWAYS will be superior with aim accuracy against the console players, regardless if console players are using aim assist or not. It's also funny that they're complaining about aim assist is negatively affecting the game competitively, meanwhile the game strictly disables crossplay between PC and console on the competitive mode, which is honestly a smart move and that's how crossplay should be handled on every single game. Allowing PC and console players to play together casually and only for fun, but strictly separate the two platforms on a competitive level. Anyway, that's my thoughts on the matter. Good job on this video, and may the PC players learn not to let their skill issue do the talking.
I started playing OW in switch and it always felt very challenging to play even when playing my favorite character (now second favorite) bastion who is literally hit scan. I remember ppl complaining that “dps where is your damage?” And I’d always feel so bad. I’ve been playing brig since I’ve been playing on pc and literally yesterday I decided to play bastion for the first time in months, and I locked in 10k + dmg. And I’m a casual. I used a pro controller on switch but just playing pc I feel so much better. I wish ppl wouldn’t be so mean to console players :(
I completely agree with pretty much everything you said but I will admit as someone who has been on console since overwatch 1 release and then switching pc in the last 6 months I have realised diamond console is basically gold pc
Thank you for this video. I'm a PC player and I keep calling out Hanzo's and Casiddy's for their bullsht aim, my friends keep insisting that they're console players with aim assist. Either my friends are playing with hacks themselves and don't want to be outed as hypocrites or they genuinely believe their multiple headshots are valid. 1. I'm seeing a lot of Hanzo and Cassidy's with questionable aim and I see them generally switching from Hanzo to Cassidy, it just seems to be their M.O. I just think they're hacking. but now that I've watched this, I'll have to keep an eye out on their movement and how they turn around to deal with damage coming from behind. E.g if I'm a flanker and they do a quick turn. This will help with my reports. I will note that some console players have high aim sensitivity so I'll need to take that into account when I'm spectating their aim and camera movement.
I have been playing on console my entire life. Only recently i got a laptop but i dont want to give up because i love playing on controller. I’m a tracer main and it feels like i cant do any better because i cant 180 blink or pull off crazy pulses but i dont want to give up on controller like many pro players.
I don't think aim assist can be considered "technically cheating" or "technically unfair" simply because it's the thing that allows us to play the game at all. If that's the case, then the super high sensitivity a mouse gets compared to consoles bs slow sensitivity should be considered cheating and unfair too.
Im also t500 console and whenever I post on tiktok some plat PC player will say "Console Gm looks like diamond PC" and then in the same comment thread express how they feel like aim assist is overpowered/cheating, istg they can't pick a side.
FINALLY, been waiting for a video like this for a while, as a VERY small content creator who plays on console (pls sub) im glad someone speaks out for us consoles, i hate the stupid thing of PC players fueling they're ego just cause they spent a couple more dollars for a powerful machine or the fact that they can flick this fast or this and that. But when they get beat they suddenly get butthurt when someone who is using their THUMBS too aim while they have an entire ARM! Love you my brother, im subbing
I've been playing OW2 on PC my entire time since release, at some point my PC had problems and I had to switch to Xbox One to play on Overwatch. My console placements for DPS was a higher peak than my peak on PC for the entire time across all seasons on DPS, and I'm much better on M&K. I haven't touched a controller in years, there is certainly a rank-gap disparity.
As a person that played on console for all my life an recently swapped to PC. I think people are dumb for giving people shit for playing on console, an should be ashamed of themselves, console dose some of the same things but not as bad. Overall we should just get along, we all love video games an we all love overwatch. Good video BTW 🌟
Honestly bro its sad, I have 500 hours of console hanzo, if aim assist worked the way PC players claim, just moving my crosshair to their head, I would be terrible 🤦♂️
my tank friend blizito played on controller with no aim assist on rein and in one week hit gm1 on PC but also part of the problem is these arent aim heroes, but i can see some people being good at no aim assist
I agree the fact that using a controller in a shooter is hell To solve every debate, the only solution is to only permit M&K to play this type of game competitively, no "mouse is way easier" or "aim assist is a cheat", no debate, modern consoles can do it si why isn't it the standard ? People can still enjoy (i suppose they exist if everyone isn't gaming with a pc yet) their controller in casual... And as an ancient splatoon competitor, i'd say that an other solution could be motion control, with a good implementation, it is 90% of what a mnk setup can provide and is way more efficient than trying to hide the main controller problem with aim assist.
one day they'll probably invent a new input device that can be directly compared with mnk, i just dont know when or what that'll be. maybe everyone will be playing on flutes or somethin.
I stopped playing OW entirely after switching to playing on PC but I remember scrimming against PC teams and boy PC players cry so much man. Keep preaching Demi
there's been a few times when i'm on widow and someone jumps in front of my sight and it follows them. Idk if its just my game or something but it really doesn't feel like it only lowers your sensitivity.
overwatch has rotational aim assist, it rotates your aim into the direction of the enemy, but it does not pull towards an enemy and its not strong at all. The main factor of overwatch's aim assist is the fact it slows down when the enemy is in your crosshair
Also is it just me or did s9 mess up the aim assist. I was Masters rank last time I played, ever since s9 with the projectile size changes and everything it seems like my aim got worse somehow. I had moments where I was feeling like I was aiming like I should be in Silver. I noticed it got a little better when I changed the settings a bit but it doesnt feel like how it used to, I honestly stopped playing cuz of it, cuz iiiii dont wanna feel like im bad
THX GOD a player who finally explain why its much harder to aim whit a controller than MNK i witnesses myself only 6MONTH of pc and my significaly improve from bronze to diamond but after the next six month im stuck FREAKING PLAT 3 2 AND I PLAY XBOX SERIES S NOW how every pc player who watch this EXPLAIN TO ME PLSSSS
MnK players are just traumatized by Apex Legend's insane rotational aim assists, that stuff is just inhuman. There are many stories of players switching to Controller from MnK because it's just that consistent and helps one clip people a lot of the time without even turning the right stick.
I tried playing genji on console as a pc player and it was trash. You can kind of aim when your sens is low but you can’t turn around in under a second. And then you turn it up and you can’t hit any shots. Never coped about aim assist again after that.
as a top 500 support player on console i can say fighting other people on console is much harder due to the fact of aim assist so we focus more on positioning rather than understanding how to strafe because there would be little to no point in learning how to strafe on console if everyone can hit shots. on pc it’s a whole different argument but i have fought pc players on console with the aim assist nerfed slightly and i can say it feels much more balanced in a 1v1 situation because pc doesn’t have that extra push we console players have with aim assist 5:31
little push back the skill floor is lowered not raised making it easier for a new player to play lowers the skill floor sweet spot is a game with a low skill floor and almost infinite skill ceiling (apex is great example or even an old game like world of tanks)
I played console for about a decade of my life, I’ve now been on pc for about the same time. When I pick up a controller again, it literally feels like I’m not aiming, the game is doing all of that for me. It’s definitely not fair and certainly not equal
As someone who played on console for about 2 years and then transitioned to PC, going back to console is a pain in the ass. Console players imo are just as skilled as PC players on average, and the reality is that Overwatch's aim assist is very fair and puts console players *at the same level* as PC players and not above them (which is the case with games such as Halo CoD and *especially* Apex Legends).
based and real video, i feel like another thing people dont speak about is straight hardware between a console and PC. Not only is a controller limiting, but MAN it's hard for me to wanna play on locked framerate with low FOV as well as low resolution (especially since im going from a decent PC to a switch).
[DISAGREE] 11:13 I used to be a console player back when I was more of a casual gamer but I'd have to disagree on some of these points. I bought a PC for the sole reason that I really liked the game and wanted to get into the esport scene. I believe that in the esport environment aim assist should not be allowed. If you really want to play you should just buy a pc. You could get a PC for about the same price as a console. I'm open to have my view challenged since I might be biased due to my own journey.
Completely agree I literally just switched from Xbox because I want to get better. It doesn’t make sense to say you’re serious about the game and want to compete in tournaments for money and not be willing to save up for a computer.
some people have their preferences and I guess thats the only answer for this question. I entirely agree that mnk is just superior and everyone should be on PC but its nice to give an option to those who prefer controller. or those who cant afford a pc but already have a console. I mean like look at hcpeful, he's hit rank 1 on both console and pc and yet he plays on console for any tournaments and stuff, so I think its just a personal preference type thing.
I definitely think next gen aim assist is a bit broken and should be nerfed, but there also are a lot of pc players who don’t understand why it exists in the first place
i was a console player since i was a squeaker. I switched to pc abt 2 years ago and it is night and day easier to aim with a mouse. I'd argue that console players WITH aim assist are still at a massive disatvantage just because of the inherent limitations. try hitting a 180 on a tracer that just blinked behind you. its doable, but its slow af compared to kb/m. Even with your settings at 100/100 on console, kb/m is just far more versitle and consistent. in a game where 1 second is an eternity, every ms counts. I even think console players should be allowed to use aim assist in comp too.
Started on console for years. Got a PC a few months before OW2 beta released. There are so many xims on console that PC actually felt easier in plat/diamond. Widowmaker with a xim > M and K widowmaker
Given how obviously different the playing experiences are between console and PC, I'm not sure why anyone would even want to play competitively in a literally unfair environment. Unfair competition is uncommon in any sport, and from my understanding viewers just don't care for that sort of competition. People would just flock to support whichever peripherals they prefer because of tribalism, which there's already SO MUCH of, even in non-competitive role-based games. Aim assist isn't OP, but under no circumstance would I consider it fair either I feel like the only way to truly win here is to ask big content creators to host and spectate console specific events to legitimize the console scene more, and have them beg for faceit console integration. But console ow esports comes with a lot of questions, mainly "do people care" and "does this make money?" Forget pc vs console esports, wouldn't getting a console league just be more ideal? As far as pc players hating on console players, that will always be the case because of aforementioned tribalism.. I don't see the status quo changing without the console community expanding massively
I would love if there was a faceit league for console but unfortunately blizzard hates us and content creators dont care bout us either. If there was a way to display console talent that would be awesome. And sure there's CGL but nobody watches that and the problem is more than 80% of those players have either quit or swapped to PC because of how unprofessional it is. I would love a blizzard endorsed like faceit league for console but I just don't think we'll ever get that. But a way for console players that wanna get their name out there is through crossplay tournaments. And these are obviously at a lower level than OWCS or Open Division or any blizzard endorsed tournament out there but I don't mind that because this is where the console skill ceiling kinda caps off at. And I like being able to face PC teams because it gives a new enviornment of players to face but I hate seeing PC players that ACTIVELY join CROSSPLAY tournaments and then complain about console players like we have these above all be all advantage over them, like they don't have the advantage themselves. Me personally, I don't mind playing in crossplay tournaments, but if someone doesn't like the "ruining of competitive integretiy" even though we're not even at the highest level of professional play, then they don't have to play against console players. My point is there is console talent out there and we shouldn't be trashed on by the community constantly.
Is it just me or does aim assist sometimes ruin plays? Aim assist is just inconsistent. Whereas M&K is almost always consistent. I feel like no one talks about how inconsistent of aim assist really is.
True. There are moments that even though my aim assist is low, i be flicking around like an idiot missing every single shot, and then i magically get back into the groove.
@@Demigodson Imagine hitting every god known shot, and very next fight you just miss everything and worst part it's actually really hard to recover from.
I think that right here the solution to the problem is gyro aim, you don't need aim assist with it and you can be precise like a MnK player, however Xbox controllers dont'have gyro so we can get rid of aim assist only when Xbox controllers will support gyro natively
Great video. I'm a PC player that swapped to console bc my pc shit the bed and I can't afford a new one, and boy is aiming a stick the hardest shit ever LOL, forces me on moira and torb. You would think this is common sense though, I played halo and cod on consoles as a kid and that tiny experience was all I needed to understand aim assist isn't busted or anything
Console champ isnt pc plat, overwatch is more of a team game I bet someone can get to champ on controller in pc lobbies Even if it means playing a lesser mechanical hero that doesnt require precision aim, like with mercy for example Although the deadzone thing would hinder strafing
116 comments? it's to the moon for this one. Also you cooked, the music n shit is heat, this shit hits like a fucking villainous manifesto where the villain is just spitting
The shear amount of people who have said oh you are t500 console thats easy like bruh i hit that shit agoanst people who were playing kbm with aim assist
I moved from console to pc, and it peeves me so fucking badly to see pc players treat console like they’re bad. I was plat when I was on console and I’m plat on pc too. Mfs act like top console players have no game sense and they’d struggle on pc (yeah but only while learning mnk cuz that shit sucks lol) after that you’ll only get better.
I got a steam deck and it plays overwatch with the pc pool so I know this all too well my aim isn’t as good as it was on console(Xbox ) I went from a top500 to gold on pc… i just wanna say i did enjoy overwatch and now I’m just trying to keep up with what i used to be if i can without aim assist
as a pc player, i hate console players cuz in lower rank console only play no aim no brain heroes, even more than on pc. But mad respect to the console players who play high skill ceiling heroes.
yeah i can see that since console has a pretty high skill ceiling, I'd suggest going like genji or tracer against them if youre good at those heroes since their sensitivity is probably low if their in gols, which makes them hit shots super easy but turn like a grindstone
Flats' entire existence disproves this agrument (except for the side of it with saying console players are worse cuz that's just obviously stupid to say) All this really proves is that PC players are right in saying that controllers are objectively not a good tool for fps games. Also yes, aim assist does have a big affect. By claiming that it's not unfair to play aim assist vs kbm you are literally denying the entire history of siege and apex pro play I also don't entirely agree that it's necessary. I made it to Masters in ow 1 as a tracer main with aim assist off and had an average accuracy of over 65% by just using joystick extensions and being better.
well theres definetely players out there that can play without aim assist but the problem with that is thats only a small minority. And like I said earlier we really cant compare other games. Siege is a game dominated by good aim and peeking, which is why its been completely taken over by ximmers on console until they implemented mouse trap. Thats why there hasnt been that many pro console siege tournaments over the past few years. And apex has a very powerful aim assist that is straight up incomparable to ow's AND they have nerfed pc movement alongside that I believe. Which you think would attract more players to use controlllers but even still after all of that only 33% of pros use controllers and 66% use mnk. Which also ties into everyone's point that controllers are not a good tool for shooters. Which is where I believe that it's kind of crazy to complain about something that is universally known to be a worse method of playing.
@@Demigodson well the thing is is that it's a worse way of playing but it's an objective fact that if the aim assist isn't strong enough to overcome keyboard and mouse you're at a disadvantage that makes it not worth playing on controller most of the time. And if the aim assist is equal or better than keyboard and mouse it's not worth playimg kbm because it's harder. It's okay to have console and cross play tournaments but at the highest level of play it's not worth losing the competitive integrity. And it's not worth putting it into ladder cuz no one will be happy.
I agree but some people just like playing on controller or are in a situation where they are forced to, and they should be able to play on that device if they'd like. I agree that ranked ladder should be split. But the thing is with cross play tournaments, it doesn't matter for the highest level of play because literally controller is way way way worse than mnk and will never compete with OWCS or most of T1 to T3 players, which there's proof because no controller player has ever been recommended to play in OWL or OWCS and no pro players in those tournaments have ever cared about console players because they would put them in the dirt no question. That's why controllers have been banned in those leagues forever because they simply can't compete.
As a console player who doesnt use aim assist, i can guarantee the gap between controller and keyboard is so huge its not even funny, even with aim assist im sure its still evident, so i dont recommend trying it, ever, but as for me, im gonna stick with it till the end of time lol
I just switched from console to pc a few days ago (been using my mnk for xbox for a year on games that allow it) and im not gonna lie im trash asf on controller lmao. But it feels so much better with mnk and for this game and this game only i never complain about the aa. Now if ow had cod level aim assist id lose my top
You literally showed a dude who can't hit a barn door 5 feet in front of him without aim assist... like??? 🤣 Bro, stop, I can't breathe. Whole comment section is an echo chamber. Overwatch was not and still isn't the only console game with a ton of visual noise and snap reaction requirements.
The reason I left console was because of zim users. I was hard stuck gold on console but when I swapped to PC I was high diamond until they fucked everything up with season 9 rank reset. I know I shit on Flats a lot but he has soo many bad takes and no one call him out on it. He said controller can be better because of Apex pro players and that there is no difference in turn speed with mouse and keyboard😂
It is even ridiculous that you even have to make a video about this... but I hope this shuts the toxic players up for good, because they don't know what they're talking about. Anyways, I hope this clears a lot up. I think aim assist is a necessary help for console players and it's only a help, nothing more. Good video by the way!
Even joining that debate seems like a cry to attention. Its like people who call other cheaters cause they get stomped. Maybe its just a smurf or the matchmaking did some weird shit thinking its balanced.
Great, just great. Even i can tell this exact stuff even though I'm pretty low ranked. I have 2 friends who play pc and two more who play Xbox. Among them I'm the best at the game and the the ranking of us is pretty clear. The two xbox friends are at the bottom, they just don't have as much awareness or cooldown management as the rest of us. The PC players are in the middle with each being good at their own thing, but generally they don't take map control and aren't as mechanically sound as one of the xbox players from before. I am generally agreed to be the best of the group in the tank and dps role. I generally can keep up with the others in every aspect except flicking which only one of the PC players has on me. Other than that I'm generally the one giving advice on our positioning, enemy positions, enemy comp, etc. I do find one genuine problem for me though, which is the fact that footsteps don't go off a lot and invisible object sometimes push me around. Though that probably comes from latency issues since kill cams can have entirely different positions from my view.
I completely agree with you. I’m also tired of the never ending debate and PC players talking down on controller aim, and acting like we don’t have any skills. The name already gives it off ,aim ASSIST, It’ll assist you but not DIRECTLY aim for you. I do understand why PC players don’t want to play against controller players with aim assist competitively though. But in Quick Play? That should be absolutely alright
Just doesn’t feel good to hear
„Hurrr durrr GM console is like silver on PC 🤓 you’re only good because of aim assist, console has no awareness - you move like bots“
Great video and thank you for the tag 🫶
I kinda get it, but when it comes to rankdle in Jay3 streams, you usually have to boost the rank a bit. I know this goes against the whole point of the video, but strategically adding a rank when you see a console play is usually correct.
Words without contexts, in this case, the technicality of the function, is worthless. Like materials strength vs toughness, synonymous as words without contexts but are actually very different contextually. Aim assist is pretty much aiming for the player if the player is barely moving the potentiometer against a strafing enemy
As a very small OW console content creator, I appreciate you for speaking about this. There's times that I receive comments like "You're really good for a Diamond player. You should switch to PC" and I understand that some people are trying to help but I like my console, controller, and competitive on console.
Man sometimes i get the "Nice aim assist play on pc" etc. But IM LITERALLY ALREADY ON PC............ So i feel ya'lls pain i just gotta get 2-3 kills w hanzo or widow at the beggining of a match and its instant accusing of me using aim assist...
I’ve literally had people do the same thing for me, also a very small OW console content creator
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Of course you like magnet aim lmao
Nah bro is 100% spitting right now. It’s actually crazy how almost all the points you made i’ve said(even down to the comparisons part). Great vid!
As a PC player, this video was certified gas, and we should get Samito to react to it.
Ty for sticking up for us!❤
Every single thing you said is 100% correct but one thing I’m surprised you didn’t speak about is the huge frame rate difference between us a lot of console players including myself play on 60fps vs the 144fps + that pc players get on top of everything else they already have so in reality that alone creates a gigantic gap that was already big enough and even with the 120fps with new gen consoles that still isn’t great because the difference between 120fps and 144fps + is insane you legitimately feel like you’re getting shot behind walls at times or you feel like they see you before you see them
forgot that lmao
@@Demigodson I ain’t gonna lie I forgot that too you just get so use to it after years of playing but regardless of that this was a great video I’m surprised I got tagged keep it up mane :D
The amount of times I try to get to cover and think "I'll be fine" only to die. Then watch the killcam and half my body or my ankles are sticking out while I'm literally facing a wall on my screen is very frustrating.
@@WhoKoaNow youre acting like every PC player has 144fps. Ive been playing OW with 60FPS since 2018, and 1 of my friends has since 2017.
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I used to play OW2 on console (and many other battle Royale games like Apex, etc) and it is HARD! Like PC people need to realize that we could only aim with a THUMB while they have a whole HAND to aim with. I play on PC now but I still love/respect console and anyone who plays on it either for fun or competitively.
Pc players will never know the pain of missing a sleep dart because of aim assist.
The classic "aim assist actually hurts your aim" bs argument
@@somedude6991it actually can sometimes. Aim assist sometimes dont let u have full control over ur aim especially if theirs multiple targets near eachother ur aim assist doesnt know wtf to do
PC support!!! You’re so chill for this video
@@somedude6991:/ you gotta experience before you say anything
@@Invisibleboy999 The advantages far outweigh the disadvantages
Unfortunately knowing pc players, they are just not gonna watch this video and then proceed to keep crying over console
Something i want to add, is that when crossplay came out originally, the ability to play on Dual Zone was gone in PC lobbies and it auto swapped you to Exponential or Linear the moment you went into a PC pool match. On top of the fact that your sensitivity was slightly boosted because they wanted to allow a higher sensitivity to compete with the turn speed of mnk. It did all of this behind the scenes on top of removing Aim Assist so of course none of us could aim on crossplay lobbies.
Preach! 🙏 The amount of times I had PC players coping under my videos with the classic "YuO woUldn‘t bE aBLe to dO tHiS on PC" is ridiculous. I think it’s just envy most of the time. They can never acknowledge that someone on console might POSSIBLY be better than them so they just degrade us.
It’s just the inferior way to play they’re definitely not jealous
@@Tutualoe Bozo says "they‘re" as if he‘s not proving that he’s jealous as well
@@AntivenomOW what am I jealous of exactly? I just played on console and it was miserable I had no skill expression.
@@Tutualoe "I had no skill" sounds about right
@@AntivenomOW alright I realize I’m talking to a 14 yr old I’m gonna stop wasting my time.
ty for settling my argument i’m bad at wording stuff
It's been many years since I've touched a shooter on console. I'm a high rank PC player, and I respect high skilled console players in OW, cuz that shit is so difficult when this game is so fast paced! I did try plugging in a controller for some QP games to remember how it felt. I performed decently well since I did have past experience with controller, but lord, the fatigue from having to move the joystick around so much!
I play console because I have no feeling in my left hand. I cannot use keyboard controls bc of my issue. Some people have to play console. It was always sad to have my pc friends say I had stuff easier.
This was great and helpful information. Everyone can learn from this content. Great video.
So Im a Genji/widow main on console with max sens that’s very hard to control I grinded for a year just to be called a ximmer.
The part that surprised me was what you said about movement.
I knew that Aim was easier with mouse than with controller, but I thought movement would be easier on a controller as you're not locked into 8 directions and have the ability to choose your speed. But it's true that the dead zone will matter far more often than those benefits.
It's just not something I had thought about before, it's interesting.
I absolutely can confirm this vid. I swapped to PC toward the tail end of OW1 and used a controller on PC (No aim assist allowed on PC) all the way until 2 seasons ago. It took 2 weeks of playing on mouse and keyboard before my aim tripled. I was plat on controller. Now i'm well past that now. I full agree with this vid. We shouldn't be shunning aim assist.
Great video, I agree with everything you said. 👏🏾 But one disadvantage for controller you didn't mention is having to remove your thumbs from the joysticks to use the d-pad & face-buttons.
Having to stop moving (left stick) or stop looking (right stick) to use the d-pad & face-buttons in the middle of a fight is one limitation PC players don't have to deal with.
Even the 0.5 second delay, of moving my thumb from the right-joystick to 🔺️ button (PS4), has caused me to lose fights because I couldn't get my ULT off in time. (For example: playing Zen when Reaper ULTs)
Thats also true, but that one can be easily fixed with either having paddles or playing claw or even just changing your button mapping, but that is a great point
MLK of consolewatch 🙏🏽
i was a console player then changed to pc and i can say try to aim on controller is way harder even with aim assist
I swapped across to pc from console in season 9. I never played on mouse and keyboard before this swap. I placed plat 4 and dropped to gold 5 because I was still learning m&k. After I got the hang of m&k, I climbed up to master 5. I was still playing on console as well, and my console rank was diamond 3. I wonder which is actually easier 🤔
I started playing ow2 on console a bit at S9 too. Last time I touched a controller was like 2014 on MW2 and BO2, it took me 2 - 3 weeks of playing few hours every few days on console to reach Master 4 on dps. My aim on controller is nothing compared to my aim on mouse, but I have to say neither are console Master players compared to PC Masters.
I also befriended a low Master genji player, he was so sure that he could take on PC players of the same rank with ease, so we played a few games on PC lobbies. Safe to say he did not do very well, he couldnt really keep up that well..
I have to say that console lobbies felt a lot easier compared to PC. Might just be me but id say average console player has no chance against pc player.
I switched to K&M very recently, but when I was on console, I noticed everyone plays with super strong aim assist, while I've always kept mine very low. The pain I would get when I watched a killcam and I was killed by someone doing little to no compensation for their aim was soo annoying. I'm not saying aim assist is OP, but it does a lot of heavy lifting for those with bad aim. Instead of relying on aim assist, I decided to keep mine low a long time ago
I will say, it only took me like two weeks to get good at M&K and reach Plat 1 (I peaked at Master 3 on console). K&M is still significantly easier. It took me years to get good at controller
Omg! Thanks for this! It seriously gets old!
Love this video! Feels good to see someone give genuine arguments against the AA is broken allegations.
Side note: What a fuckin pulse bomb on the widow
My very first time I ever played a shooter game on MnK, I had better movement in the first game than I had ever gotten over SEVERAL YEARS on controller
Clearly none of them have played tf2 with a controller
THE ORANGE BOX WAS THE SHIT BRO
@@DemigodsonAbsolutely godsend
Pc player here! Love the video, sums up my thoughts perfectly. I've played on ps4 before and with aim assist it only feels slightly worse than pc so all you're thinking about is the important aspects of the game, whereas without assist, aim (or the lack) is essentially all you can think about because it's impossible to aim. Imo the best way to solve it is to bring gyro over to platforms besides switch, although it is a pretty niche way of playing so i doubt it would be popular.
I thing i love to bring up when i hearing a pc play complain about AA is "if AA is so good why don't you switch to controller" followed by them listing excuses or complaints about controller sucking. AA it's a necessary evil we are only aiming with our thumb when pc player have their entire arm to aim.
I don't see the issue since there is no cross play in comp, both communities are separated and will (hopefully) remain so, why do you care what pc players do, if you aren't even playing with or against them?
Holy shit brother Ive been a MnK player my whole life and I'll be buying a ps5 soon so I was thinking of switching. I tried searching for overwatch top console players and it didnt give me shit, I only found you, thanks for the list of other creators, I had tried controller on PC before (I think aim assist was not working or I am just super fucking bad) and it was horrible I couldn't even look straight. I hope I improve and I hope its better to play on controller on a console.
Controllers on pc dont have aim assist thats why you couldnt hit anything
I've been a long time player on Overwatch both on PC and console. While I spent most of my hours on the PC version back on OW1, I do also have fun playing on the Switch and Playstation version too. I usually enjoy playing the game on different platforms from time to time, simply because I like playing with different variety of players. I am glad I'm not the only one who feels this way when it comes to the console pools and aim assist.
As a player who has been experiencing both PC and console of the game for years, I clearly do know the difference in between aiming with a mouse and controller. It really does make me cringe how PC players are so egotistical that they feel the need to compare aim assist (an in-game mechanic that's specifically designed to steady the aim for the console player) to aimbot (a software purposefully made to instantly snap onto the head of your target), the difference isn't hard to notice.
PC players shouldn't even be complaining anyway, because they STILL and ALWAYS will be superior with aim accuracy against the console players, regardless if console players are using aim assist or not. It's also funny that they're complaining about aim assist is negatively affecting the game competitively, meanwhile the game strictly disables crossplay between PC and console on the competitive mode, which is honestly a smart move and that's how crossplay should be handled on every single game. Allowing PC and console players to play together casually and only for fun, but strictly separate the two platforms on a competitive level.
Anyway, that's my thoughts on the matter. Good job on this video, and may the PC players learn not to let their skill issue do the talking.
I started playing OW in switch and it always felt very challenging to play even when playing my favorite character (now second favorite) bastion who is literally hit scan. I remember ppl complaining that “dps where is your damage?” And I’d always feel so bad.
I’ve been playing brig since I’ve been playing on pc and literally yesterday I decided to play bastion for the first time in months, and I locked in 10k + dmg. And I’m a casual. I used a pro controller on switch but just playing pc I feel so much better. I wish ppl wouldn’t be so mean to console players :(
I completely agree with pretty much everything you said but I will admit as someone who has been on console since overwatch 1 release and then switching pc in the last 6 months I have realised diamond console is basically gold pc
Thank you for this video. I'm a PC player and I keep calling out Hanzo's and Casiddy's for their bullsht aim, my friends keep insisting that they're console players with aim assist. Either my friends are playing with hacks themselves and don't want to be outed as hypocrites or they genuinely believe their multiple headshots are valid.
1. I'm seeing a lot of Hanzo and Cassidy's with questionable aim and I see them generally switching from Hanzo to Cassidy, it just seems to be their M.O. I just think they're hacking. but now that I've watched this, I'll have to keep an eye out on their movement and how they turn around to deal with damage coming from behind. E.g if I'm a flanker and they do a quick turn. This will help with my reports.
I will note that some console players have high aim sensitivity so I'll need to take that into account when I'm spectating their aim and camera movement.
I have been playing on console my entire life. Only recently i got a laptop but i dont want to give up because i love playing on controller. I’m a tracer main and it feels like i cant do any better because i cant 180 blink or pull off crazy pulses but i dont want to give up on controller like many pro players.
The only thing I noticed when switching to pc is that I could duel way more people as lucio because my strafes were better and their aim was worse.
As a console player that frequently plays in pc Lobbies I agree! Thanks for the breakdown!
Ayyy Cuphead Music! Oh. And great video dude.
Demi, you know a console team that is looking for a dps player?
UNBELIEVABLY FACTUAL
I don't think aim assist can be considered "technically cheating" or "technically unfair" simply because it's the thing that allows us to play the game at all. If that's the case, then the super high sensitivity a mouse gets compared to consoles bs slow sensitivity should be considered cheating and unfair too.
the only thing i disagree with is when you said "its easier to hit the skill ceiling on pc"
Im also t500 console and whenever I post on tiktok some plat PC player will say "Console Gm looks like diamond PC" and then in the same comment thread express how they feel like aim assist is overpowered/cheating, istg they can't pick a side.
I had to turn aim assist off on projectile hero's because it always made me miss
Do you have a settings video by chance?
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Holy moly this video is turning my demigodson into a demigodman😢
FINALLY, been waiting for a video like this for a while, as a VERY small content creator who plays on console (pls sub) im glad someone speaks out for us consoles, i hate the stupid thing of PC players fueling they're ego just cause they spent a couple more dollars for a powerful machine or the fact that they can flick this fast or this and that. But when they get beat they suddenly get butthurt when someone who is using their THUMBS too aim while they have an entire ARM! Love you my brother, im subbing
I've been playing OW2 on PC my entire time since release, at some point my PC had problems and I had to switch to Xbox One to play on Overwatch. My console placements for DPS was a higher peak than my peak on PC for the entire time across all seasons on DPS, and I'm much better on M&K. I haven't touched a controller in years, there is certainly a rank-gap disparity.
14:00 I said this to my friends like two years ago, we need more console content creators
As a person that played on console for all my life an recently swapped to PC. I think people are dumb for giving people shit for playing on console, an should be ashamed of themselves, console dose some of the same things but not as bad. Overall we should just get along, we all love video games an we all love overwatch. Good video BTW 🌟
Honestly bro its sad, I have 500 hours of console hanzo, if aim assist worked the way PC players claim, just moving my crosshair to their head, I would be terrible 🤦♂️
Console is like running a marathon with a broken legs but the other runners complain that you’re cheating when your using crutches.
To everyone saying controller aim assist is cheating I'm gm5 with doom only on controller in PC lobbies so that means no aim assist
my tank friend blizito played on controller with no aim assist on rein and in one week hit gm1 on PC but also part of the problem is these arent aim heroes, but i can see some people being good at no aim assist
@@Demigodson doom is definitely an aim hero unlike rein
@@Demigodson u could hit the punch and slam but if u don't hit the shoots after they aren't dying
@@dcuoloadouts3794Yeah, and hitting good shots on doom is HARD!
Perfect video, people will complain about aim assist but have never touched a controller in their life 💥💥💥💥
I agree the fact that using a controller in a shooter is hell
To solve every debate, the only solution is to only permit M&K to play this type of game competitively, no "mouse is way easier" or "aim assist is a cheat", no debate, modern consoles can do it si why isn't it the standard ?
People can still enjoy (i suppose they exist if everyone isn't gaming with a pc yet) their controller in casual...
And as an ancient splatoon competitor, i'd say that an other solution could be motion control, with a good implementation, it is 90% of what a mnk setup can provide and is way more efficient than trying to hide the main controller problem with aim assist.
one day they'll probably invent a new input device that can be directly compared with mnk, i just dont know when or what that'll be. maybe everyone will be playing on flutes or somethin.
I stopped playing OW entirely after switching to playing on PC but I remember scrimming against PC teams and boy PC players cry so much man. Keep preaching Demi
Again, we have the tools right at our fingertips! It's way easier to complain when the keyboard is right under our hands lol
there's been a few times when i'm on widow and someone jumps in front of my sight and it follows them. Idk if its just my game or something but it really doesn't feel like it only lowers your sensitivity.
overwatch has rotational aim assist, it rotates your aim into the direction of the enemy, but it does not pull towards an enemy and its not strong at all. The main factor of overwatch's aim assist is the fact it slows down when the enemy is in your crosshair
Also is it just me or did s9 mess up the aim assist. I was Masters rank last time I played, ever since s9 with the projectile size changes and everything it seems like my aim got worse somehow. I had moments where I was feeling like I was aiming like I should be in Silver.
I noticed it got a little better when I changed the settings a bit but it doesnt feel like how it used to, I honestly stopped playing cuz of it, cuz iiiii dont wanna feel like im bad
THX GOD a player who finally explain why its much harder to aim whit a controller than MNK i witnesses myself only 6MONTH of pc and my significaly improve from bronze to diamond but after the next six month im stuck FREAKING PLAT 3 2 AND I PLAY XBOX SERIES S NOW how every pc player who watch this EXPLAIN TO ME PLSSSS
MnK players are just traumatized by Apex Legend's insane rotational aim assists, that stuff is just inhuman. There are many stories of players switching to Controller from MnK because it's just that consistent and helps one clip people a lot of the time without even turning the right stick.
What mnk players? Nobody is talking about console watch bro. Aim assist is definitely op in apex but you still had me to touch the stick
I hate aim assist and all, but considering how much i hate people in this game i wouldn't consider aa a problem.
-a pc supremacist
I tried playing genji on console as a pc player and it was trash. You can kind of aim when your sens is low but you can’t turn around in under a second. And then you turn it up and you can’t hit any shots. Never coped about aim assist again after that.
as a top 500 support player on console i can say fighting other people on console is much harder due to the fact of aim assist so we focus more on positioning rather than understanding how to strafe because there would be little to no point in learning how to strafe on console if everyone can hit shots. on pc it’s a whole different argument but i have fought pc players on console with the aim assist nerfed slightly and i can say it feels much more balanced in a 1v1 situation because pc doesn’t have that extra push we console players have with aim assist 5:31
little push back
the skill floor is lowered not raised
making it easier for a new player to play lowers the skill floor
sweet spot is a game with a low skill floor and almost infinite skill ceiling (apex is great example or even an old game like world of tanks)
I played console for about a decade of my life, I’ve now been on pc for about the same time. When I pick up a controller again, it literally feels like I’m not aiming, the game is doing all of that for me. It’s definitely not fair and certainly not equal
As someone who played on console for about 2 years and then transitioned to PC, going back to console is a pain in the ass. Console players imo are just as skilled as PC players on average, and the reality is that Overwatch's aim assist is very fair and puts console players *at the same level* as PC players and not above them (which is the case with games such as Halo CoD and *especially* Apex Legends).
based and real video, i feel like another thing people dont speak about is straight hardware between a console and PC. Not only is a controller limiting, but MAN it's hard for me to wanna play on locked framerate with low FOV as well as low resolution (especially since im going from a decent PC to a switch).
[DISAGREE] 11:13 I used to be a console player back when I was more of a casual gamer but I'd have to disagree on some of these points. I bought a PC for the sole reason that I really liked the game and wanted to get into the esport scene. I believe that in the esport environment aim assist should not be allowed. If you really want to play you should just buy a pc. You could get a PC for about the same price as a console. I'm open to have my view challenged since I might be biased due to my own journey.
Completely agree I literally just switched from Xbox because I want to get better. It doesn’t make sense to say you’re serious about the game and want to compete in tournaments for money and not be willing to save up for a computer.
some people have their preferences and I guess thats the only answer for this question. I entirely agree that mnk is just superior and everyone should be on PC but its nice to give an option to those who prefer controller. or those who cant afford a pc but already have a console. I mean like look at hcpeful, he's hit rank 1 on both console and pc and yet he plays on console for any tournaments and stuff, so I think its just a personal preference type thing.
I definitely think next gen aim assist is a bit broken and should be nerfed, but there also are a lot of pc players who don’t understand why it exists in the first place
The disrespect is really showing what kids they are.
Another one?? You’re cooking bro 👊
i was a console player since i was a squeaker. I switched to pc abt 2 years ago and it is night and day easier to aim with a mouse. I'd argue that console players WITH aim assist are still at a massive disatvantage just because of the inherent limitations.
try hitting a 180 on a tracer that just blinked behind you. its doable, but its slow af compared to kb/m. Even with your settings at 100/100 on console, kb/m is just far more versitle and consistent. in a game where 1 second is an eternity, every ms counts.
I even think console players should be allowed to use aim assist in comp too.
No they shouldn’t pc comp is meant to be played with other pcs. If we added aa to comp it’s become a shot show like apex
When Demi just spits absolute facts here!
Started on console for years. Got a PC a few months before OW2 beta released. There are so many xims on console that PC actually felt easier in plat/diamond. Widowmaker with a xim > M and K widowmaker
Given how obviously different the playing experiences are between console and PC, I'm not sure why anyone would even want to play competitively in a literally unfair environment. Unfair competition is uncommon in any sport, and from my understanding viewers just don't care for that sort of competition. People would just flock to support whichever peripherals they prefer because of tribalism, which there's already SO MUCH of, even in non-competitive role-based games. Aim assist isn't OP, but under no circumstance would I consider it fair either
I feel like the only way to truly win here is to ask big content creators to host and spectate console specific events to legitimize the console scene more, and have them beg for faceit console integration. But console ow esports comes with a lot of questions, mainly "do people care" and "does this make money?" Forget pc vs console esports, wouldn't getting a console league just be more ideal?
As far as pc players hating on console players, that will always be the case because of aforementioned tribalism.. I don't see the status quo changing without the console community expanding massively
I would love if there was a faceit league for console but unfortunately blizzard hates us and content creators dont care bout us either. If there was a way to display console talent that would be awesome. And sure there's CGL but nobody watches that and the problem is more than 80% of those players have either quit or swapped to PC because of how unprofessional it is. I would love a blizzard endorsed like faceit league for console but I just don't think we'll ever get that. But a way for console players that wanna get their name out there is through crossplay tournaments. And these are obviously at a lower level than OWCS or Open Division or any blizzard endorsed tournament out there but I don't mind that because this is where the console skill ceiling kinda caps off at. And I like being able to face PC teams because it gives a new enviornment of players to face but I hate seeing PC players that ACTIVELY join CROSSPLAY tournaments and then complain about console players like we have these above all be all advantage over them, like they don't have the advantage themselves. Me personally, I don't mind playing in crossplay tournaments, but if someone doesn't like the "ruining of competitive integretiy" even though we're not even at the highest level of professional play, then they don't have to play against console players. My point is there is console talent out there and we shouldn't be trashed on by the community constantly.
Is it just me or does aim assist sometimes ruin plays? Aim assist is just inconsistent. Whereas M&K is almost always consistent. I feel like no one talks about how inconsistent of aim assist really is.
True. There are moments that even though my aim assist is low, i be flicking around like an idiot missing every single shot, and then i magically get back into the groove.
@@Demigodson Imagine hitting every god known shot, and very next fight you just miss everything and worst part it's actually really hard to recover from.
I think that right here the solution to the problem is gyro aim, you don't need aim assist with it and you can be precise like a MnK player, however Xbox controllers dont'have gyro so we can get rid of aim assist only when Xbox controllers will support gyro natively
Great video. I'm a PC player that swapped to console bc my pc shit the bed and I can't afford a new one, and boy is aiming a stick the hardest shit ever LOL, forces me on moira and torb. You would think this is common sense though, I played halo and cod on consoles as a kid and that tiny experience was all I needed to understand aim assist isn't busted or anything
Thank you demigodson for this vid ❤
Console champ isnt pc plat, overwatch is more of a team game
I bet someone can get to champ on controller in pc lobbies
Even if it means playing a lesser mechanical hero that doesnt require precision aim, like with mercy for example
Although the deadzone thing would hinder strafing
116 comments? it's to the moon for this one. Also you cooked, the music n shit is heat, this shit hits like a fucking villainous manifesto where the villain is just spitting
My fastest turning as tracer equals my average sens in pc valo :(
The shear amount of people who have said oh you are t500 console thats easy like bruh i hit that shit agoanst people who were playing kbm with aim assist
I moved from console to pc, and it peeves me so fucking badly to see pc players treat console like they’re bad. I was plat when I was on console and I’m plat on pc too.
Mfs act like top console players have no game sense and they’d struggle on pc (yeah but only while learning mnk cuz that shit sucks lol) after that you’ll only get better.
I got a steam deck and it plays overwatch with the pc pool so I know this all too well my aim isn’t as good as it was on console(Xbox ) I went from a top500 to gold on pc… i just wanna say i did enjoy overwatch and now I’m just trying to keep up with what i used to be if i can without aim assist
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as a pc player, i hate console players cuz in lower rank console only play no aim no brain heroes, even more than on pc. But mad respect to the console players who play high skill ceiling heroes.
yeah i can see that since console has a pretty high skill ceiling, I'd suggest going like genji or tracer against them if youre good at those heroes since their sensitivity is probably low if their in gols, which makes them hit shots super easy but turn like a grindstone
Flats' entire existence disproves this agrument (except for the side of it with saying console players are worse cuz that's just obviously stupid to say)
All this really proves is that PC players are right in saying that controllers are objectively not a good tool for fps games.
Also yes, aim assist does have a big affect. By claiming that it's not unfair to play aim assist vs kbm you are literally denying the entire history of siege and apex pro play
I also don't entirely agree that it's necessary. I made it to Masters in ow 1 as a tracer main with aim assist off and had an average accuracy of over 65% by just using joystick extensions and being better.
Well you have a Minecraft profile pic so your opinion is unnecessary 😭😊
well theres definetely players out there that can play without aim assist but the problem with that is thats only a small minority. And like I said earlier we really cant compare other games. Siege is a game dominated by good aim and peeking, which is why its been completely taken over by ximmers on console until they implemented mouse trap. Thats why there hasnt been that many pro console siege tournaments over the past few years. And apex has a very powerful aim assist that is straight up incomparable to ow's AND they have nerfed pc movement alongside that I believe. Which you think would attract more players to use controlllers but even still after all of that only 33% of pros use controllers and 66% use mnk. Which also ties into everyone's point that controllers are not a good tool for shooters. Which is where I believe that it's kind of crazy to complain about something that is universally known to be a worse method of playing.
@@Demigodson well the thing is is that it's a worse way of playing but it's an objective fact that if the aim assist isn't strong enough to overcome keyboard and mouse you're at a disadvantage that makes it not worth playing on controller most of the time. And if the aim assist is equal or better than keyboard and mouse it's not worth playimg kbm because it's harder.
It's okay to have console and cross play tournaments but at the highest level of play it's not worth losing the competitive integrity. And it's not worth putting it into ladder cuz no one will be happy.
I agree but some people just like playing on controller or are in a situation where they are forced to, and they should be able to play on that device if they'd like. I agree that ranked ladder should be split. But the thing is with cross play tournaments, it doesn't matter for the highest level of play because literally controller is way way way worse than mnk and will never compete with OWCS or most of T1 to T3 players, which there's proof because no controller player has ever been recommended to play in OWL or OWCS and no pro players in those tournaments have ever cared about console players because they would put them in the dirt no question. That's why controllers have been banned in those leagues forever because they simply can't compete.
Very well said DemiVoiceofconsoleoverwatchSon
Just add gyro support to console
As a console player who doesnt use aim assist, i can guarantee the gap between controller and keyboard is so huge its not even funny, even with aim assist im sure its still evident, so i dont recommend trying it, ever, but as for me, im gonna stick with it till the end of time lol
Switch players rise up
I just switched from console to pc a few days ago (been using my mnk for xbox for a year on games that allow it) and im not gonna lie im trash asf on controller lmao. But it feels so much better with mnk and for this game and this game only i never complain about the aa. Now if ow had cod level aim assist id lose my top
Well spoken demimartinlutherkingjrson ❤
Ow is like the only game with a decently healthy aim assist. Shit is really damn strong in other games especially apex
You literally showed a dude who can't hit a barn door 5 feet in front of him without aim assist... like??? 🤣 Bro, stop, I can't breathe. Whole comment section is an echo chamber.
Overwatch was not and still isn't the only console game with a ton of visual noise and snap reaction requirements.
The reason I left console was because of zim users. I was hard stuck gold on console but when I swapped to PC I was high diamond until they fucked everything up with season 9 rank reset. I know I shit on Flats a lot but he has soo many bad takes and no one call him out on it. He said controller can be better because of Apex pro players and that there is no difference in turn speed with mouse and keyboard😂
dog your not running into xims in gold maybe one in ever 30 games xd
@@Pes._ yeah im currently gm3 and i run into xims maybe every 1 out of 3 games but they are still winnable
console players are valid but blizzard please give me the option to avoid matches with console players in unraked like there is in comp
It is even ridiculous that you even have to make a video about this... but I hope this shuts the toxic players up for good, because they don't know what they're talking about. Anyways, I hope this clears a lot up. I think aim assist is a necessary help for console players and it's only a help, nothing more. Good video by the way!
Even joining that debate seems like a cry to attention. Its like people who call other cheaters cause they get stomped. Maybe its just a smurf or the matchmaking did some weird shit thinking its balanced.
Great, just great. Even i can tell this exact stuff even though I'm pretty low ranked. I have 2 friends who play pc and two more who play Xbox. Among them I'm the best at the game and the the ranking of us is pretty clear.
The two xbox friends are at the bottom, they just don't have as much awareness or cooldown management as the rest of us.
The PC players are in the middle with each being good at their own thing, but generally they don't take map control and aren't as mechanically sound as one of the xbox players from before.
I am generally agreed to be the best of the group in the tank and dps role. I generally can keep up with the others in every aspect except flicking which only one of the PC players has on me. Other than that I'm generally the one giving advice on our positioning, enemy positions, enemy comp, etc.
I do find one genuine problem for me though, which is the fact that footsteps don't go off a lot and invisible object sometimes push me around. Though that probably comes from latency issues since kill cams can have entirely different positions from my view.