Why do think they are separate? Even in modern days we are one nation with different components . Mohammed Najib the first president after 1952 revolution was Nubian-Egyptian. Mohammed Anwar Elsadat the third Egyptian president was Nubian-Egyptian. Mohammed Hussien Tantawi , the commander-in-chief of the Egyptian Armed Forces, the de facto head of state from the ousting of Hosni Mubarak on 11 February 2011 was Nubian. You afrocentric Americans think that Nubians in Egypt are salves as you were in America. But no dudes Nubians are the head of the country in Egypt. Go spread your racist propaganda somewhere else.
I don’t understand the speakers determination that people in Egypt/Nubia were not from West Africa without explaining the migration of people from Northeast Africa to other parts of Africa and also not mentioning the fact that Africans were moving around, moving in and out of that region constantly for trade. Before we were divided into 54 different nations and before a population transformation, the African continent was a place where Black people moved around, had interrelationships and traded with each other. Why would it be improbable that West Africans were there or people left Egypt/Nubia to live in West Africa?
You have a point. DNA on pharaoh Ramses lll shows that he carried the haplogroup E1b1a, which is mainly found in Central and West Africa. Most Northeast African paternal haplogroup is E1b1b.
Im from East Africa. Alot of our cultural history and artefacts plus mddical advances is embedded in Egypt,were we know we migrated from. Mentu (meaning a person in Bantu) is mentuhotep. We live and have intermarried with Nubians. The evidence provided in modern history is very sad and skewed towards painting blacks as not intelligent. Black Africans have migrated and intermarried thousands of years. We have evidence of even how much our dressing was changed post colonialism. We have precolonial photos of our people-you would think we walked directly out of an egyptian or nubian drawing!!!!! Our hairstyle,the jewelry,the clothing-completely nubian/egyptian. However history books now teach we are from the Congo and they have bones to proof it. Yet,our own people's bones were shipped away during colonialism. We dont know where they were taken. Most people in the West never knew what was going on. All this information will be new to them. We should be understanding if people are surprised at how intelligent black people were. They were taught by people who had their own agendas.
Sister, do not worry. Time and continued scholarship will prove Dr. Cheik Anta Diop correct on all points regarding the cultural, genetic, linguistic, etc. continuity of the ancient civilizations of the Nile Valley and the rest of the African continent, especially West, Central and South Eastern Africa.
Please review the Facebook page Nubian Geographic were starting a full series to dismantle the predynastic Egypt to fully enlighten fellow Nubians, this lecture is a tip of the iceberg
I'm very glad to see a responsible scholarship developing around Nubia and Egypt. We hope to see more actual Nubians getting involved in archeology and bringing some cultural nuance to the field. I'm Ugandan and very fascinated by ancient Nile valley civilization.
@@lf1496 Truth! The Nabta Playa in the Nubian desert is the oldest man made structure in the Nile Valley and Ta-Seti is name for Nubia was the first nome of Upper Kemet (Egypt) and the Qustul Incense burner was unearthed in Lower Nubia by the oriental institute before the construction of the Aswan High Dam has the earliest depictions of dynastic symbols such as the white crown, Horus the falcon, Kneeling prisoner, Palace facade, and the Rosette before the first dynasty of Kemet, Nag El-Hammdulab in Lower Nubia also has the oldest depictions of the white crown, also the Qadan, Halfan, Khormusan, Sebilian cultures all originated in Lower Nubia and expanded into Upper and Middle Kemet, Nubia also has the oldest man made potteries in the world which are called "the Khartoum Mesolithic" and the oldest practice of mummification was done on a boy called "Uan Muhuggiag" which scholars called him "dark skinned mummy" and its 5700 years old.
My father is a black Cuban who did his DNA with 23&Me. He is a descendant of a Yoruba Nigerian man that was brought to Cuba during the slave trade. Well my father's DNA showed he is a DIRECT descendant of Ramsees III. They both share the E1B1A haplogroup which is BLACK African. People from the Nile Valley MIGRATED to West Africa. There are many tribes in West Africa that have their origins in the Nile Valley, Fulani people, Dogon, Yoruba of Nigeria, Wolof of Senegal etc. DNA, language religious practices etc tells us that. The history of African people is very complex.
Fulani is not Nubians the Fulani is a mixed raced tribe the Fulani peoples have Arab DNA west African DNA 🧬 and Fulani is found in South Sudan 🇸🇸 not Nubians or Egyptians DNA 🧬
The first Egyptians came from East Africa (Nubians). The artifacts and pyramids of Nubia were the starting point of Egypt. The people moved up North, and mixed with other native Africans. They then were like two different states, but both the same in region, culture, and people. The egyptians in present day are mostly a different native north African group, that was not the predominant amount of people in ancient Egypt. The majority were darkskin East Africans. Keep in mind that there were most likely a variety of tribes from even central east Africa to the Horn of Africa. This is the case because the Egyptians even depicted different shades of the black people of Egypt (darskin people, and mostly brownskin people, Egyptians).
how was the race of ancient egyptians discribed by ancient historians who saw the ancient egyptians and and dealt with them face to face. ●herodotus:ch.97 °what does athiop mean: athiop literally means burnt face in greek language which is an equivelent of black people . °where did athiops live:herdotus said that athiops lived south of the southern borders of egypt . he also mentioned that those athiops brought gifts to egyptians as tribute which is shown exactly in ancient egyptians art that there are black people who were paying homage to egyptians . herodotus also discribed the people of southern india as looking like athiops while the people of north indian which is pakistan now looked like egyptians . ●herodotus 104 discribed ancient egyptian people as looking like the colchians . the colchians now inhabit country named georgia.he thought that they were identical to egyptians that he even said that they had egyptian descend (he mentioned that they are descended from senusert the third army (an egyptian king who invaded that area and left his army there) ●herodotus 532 he mentioned that dorians (etnical greeks) to be true born egyptians in origin which affirm that egyptians had mediterranean look as egypt an mediterranean country . ●diogenes laertius:diogenes in his book discribed a native man from cyprus as being looking like egyptians that he even called him from egyptian branch . ●starbo geographica:made a direct comparison stating that egyptians looked like the people on north india while athiops looked like the people of south india . ●roman geographer:repeating the same comparison saying that north indians looked like egyptians while south indians looked like athiops (native sudanese and ethiopians)
To suggest that an African scholar went to far connecting ancient African customs is pure arrogance and nonsense and prejudice. Pre colonial Africa NOT colonial Africa
I think Ancient Egypt and Nubia is an was Same people but a Different ethic Group's just in Africa today there are Alot Different ethic Group's today Sudan an Ethiopia that's just the Tip of Ice Bird I Love Ancient Nubia kush and Egypt Love way home there home to our hearts I really really in near future they do more for Sudan Nubia Kush Cultures really go Deeper in Depths Respect an love all people
This guy is still telling lies. He's confusing Upper Egypt (Northern Sudan), Nubia ( Northern to central Sudan) and Kush (central Sudan downwards). Egyptians were mixing and becoming more Afro-asiatic and the Nubian were still indigenous Black Africans. He's trying to make a racial distinction between the Egyptians and Nubians and they were both Black African tribes. The evidence also shows that the art, religion, theology, culture, technology, ideas, reading writing was coming from the Sudan and flowing southward. Even the soldiers came from the Sudan. The Nubian pyramids are older than the ones in Giza. So now Nubia has gone from a subject state to culturally entangled state of Egypt.
What makes you think Nubian pyramids predate the ones in Giza? The Egyptians were diverse, so-called Black people, so-called Berbers, Mediterranean Europeans and Southwest Asians.
I thought Dr. Cheikh Anta Diop’s focus on the cultural continuity of Africa was on the migration of Africans from the Nile Valley to the West as opposed to the lecturer’s dismissal of a point Diop never made. I thought Diop was saying that the Wolof people, like many other West African ethnic groups settled into West Africa from the east after successive collapses of Nile Valley civilization. May be I am wrong in my understanding of Diop’s “The African Origin of Civilization” and “Civilization or Barbarism”.
I'm reading The African Origin of Civilization now and it has completely revamped my undestanding of ancient African civilizations and how aware 19th European archeologists were of this fact and sought to conceal it. I had good knowledge but Diop's work is so detailed and apologetic.
I also found that to be a little off, as Diop never said they came from Western African. I thinks this is a case of the lecturer not actually reading any of Diops works.
@@jeranne9532 how was the race of ancient egyptians discribed by ancient historians who saw the ancient egyptians and and dealt with them face to face. ●herodotus:ch.97 °what does athiop mean: athiop literally means burnt face in greek language which is an equivelent of black people . °where did athiops live:herdotus said that athiops lived south of the southern borders of egypt . he also mentioned that those athiops brought gifts to egyptians as tribute which is shown exactly in ancient egyptians art that there are black people who were paying homage to egyptians . herodotus also discribed the people of southern india as looking like athiops while the people of north indian which is pakistan now looked like egyptians . ●herodotus 104 discribed ancient egyptian people as looking like the colchians . the colchians now inhabit country named georgia.he thought that they were identical to egyptians that he even said that they had egyptian descend (he mentioned that they are descended from senusert the third army (an egyptian king who invaded that area and left his army there) ●herodotus 532 he mentioned that dorians (etnical greeks) to be true born egyptians in origin which affirm that egyptians had mediterranean look as egypt an mediterranean country . ●diogenes laertius:diogenes in his book discribed a native man from cyprus as being looking like egyptians that he even called him from egyptian branch . ●starbo geographica:made a direct comparison stating that egyptians looked like the people on north india while athiops looked like the people of south india . ●roman geographer:repeating the same comparison saying that north indians looked like egyptians while south indians looked like athiops (native sudanese and ethiopians)
@@jeranne9532 ●the mummies and sekeltons of ancient egyptians indicates they were similar to modern egyptians ~yurco. ●there has been this very strong attampt to throghout the history of egyptology to seperate the ancient egyptians from the modern egyptian population and thats why we have movments like negrocentrics and eurocentrucs trying really hard to steal egyptian history for themselves.(stephen Qulrke2017) ●egyptian civilzation was not mediterranean or african,semitic or hamitic ,black or white but all of them .it was, in short, egyptian (barbara Mertz 2011). ●egyptians were and are the indegenous farmers of lower nile valley ,neither black nor white as races are concieved of today .(kathryn Bard 2014)
I wish they could do Videos or Do build Reconstruct Full size Nubian Kush Fort an Garrison to people how Powerful Nubia Really Was an Battle strategy they did and Reconstruct there Weaponry an Armour Clothing and Reconstruct there Shields an Bows an Arrows and How was they so skillful at Archery and reconstruct Full size Nubian Kush Medjays Warrior's
Very nice lecture. Some notes to put things in better context. (Personally I detest the term Nubia as it implies a continuous ethnic, linguistic, culture and political group which lasted over 5000 years but that is false. Just like calling parts of Europe "France" 5,000 years ago.) Anyway, the Nile Valley is important to understanding the early evolution of humans leading up to and after migrating out of Africa. And there is evidence of human settlement along the Nile going back 100,000 years ago. Some examples are the site at Arkin -8, the Khormusan tool industry, the Halfan tool industry/culture and later periods leading up to the Neolithic. And the significance of this is that these cultures developed the techniques that are foundational to things that came later, both inside and outside Africa. So understanding that in its proper context is very important (there were no humans outside Africa 100,000 years ago). The earliest pottery came from these periods, the earliest examples of sickles used to harvest wild grain came from these periods. And of course various monolithic sites, cattle burials, animal burials and so forth all came from these periods. And more importantly many of the sites for these earlier cultures were all in the area from just North of Aswan down to the 2nd cataract. These are sites spanning tens of thousands of years of human evolution along the Nile in the same areas that are called "Nubian" from 3000 BC onwards based on Reisner's methodology. And this is the biggest problem because it totally makes a disjointed history of the Nile Valley. Then as to the specifics of this video, one thing he glossed over but could have elaborated on more is how Amun started. Amun started in the Middle Kingdom with the Pharaohs Amenhemaat (Amen is Amun). Amenhemaat literally means Amen/Amun brings balance. This was significant because the Middle Kingdom arose after a period of instability which was put down by kings from the South including the various Mentuhotep and Amenhotep kings. It is during this period that we first see depiction of archers from further South depicted in Egyptian tombs. These are the allies of the kings who restored the balance of the country. There is actually a stele in the Egyptian museum showing Senwosret sitting on a scale (the symbol of maat) twice. On one side he is facing horus and on the other he is facing set symbolizing balance between those two natures. And during this time there was a story written called the prophecy of Neferti stating that a king from the South (Around Aswan) would come and restore balance in the country. It was also during this time that the first shrines would be built at what would become Karnak. In particular this is the first time we see Amun, as a jet black mummified diety with plumes (feathers or leaves of lettuce) sticking out of his head and a particular organ sticking out. These were built by the Middle Kingdom Kings. The point here is that this deity symbolized (along with many other deities) the southern origins of kingship and culture going all the way back to even before Kemet itself. The people of Kemet themselves acknowledged this. So just like the NIle brings fertile black soil from within Africa it also brought ideas and techniques and black skin with it as well. And this iconography was important in that it reflected the reality that throughout the dynastic era, from birth to the late period it was from the South that the restoration, renewal and balance came to the kingdom. Also, during the third intermediate period, the Herihor and Piankhi were both kings sons of Kush, meaning administrators of Kush. And during this era, the institution of th Kings son of Kush under Herihor became almost the defacto ruler of the country if not Upper Egypt proper. Some would say that the fight between Herihor and Piank was an power struggle over the institution Kings son of Kush and that Ramses was a weak king at that time. Either way, both Piankh and Herihor were black Africans. It is during this time period that some of the finest examples of mummification ever in the Nile Valley are found in the examples of Mutnodjmet and Hennutawy and others. Mutnodjmet was one of the Gods wives of Amun at the time and has a very fine mummy. Also it is during this time that Herihor reburied many of the older mummies that had their tombs plundered in antiquity.
Please Pray For Nubia. The Nile is flooding the whole country right now in a way never seen in recorded history. Yes the Capital Of Kush in Meroe is now under threat! God Hapi is upset!
KEMET AND NUBIA ARE THE SAME KUSHITE EMPIRE THE BLACK KUSHITES OR KEMITES BUT YOU CALL THEM ANESTORS EGYPTIANS THEY CAME FROM THE UPPER NILE TO THE LOWER NILE YOU FOOL. AND NOT ALL WALLED BUT HAD BOATS TO GO DOWN THE NILE
IF YOU TOOK A MAP OF AFRIKA AND YOU SEE THE NILE AND LOOKED AT IT CLOSELY THE BOTTOM SAYS UPPER AND THE TOP SAYS LOWER. IF YOU TURN THAT MAP UP SIDE DOWN THEN YOU CAN SEE THE ORIGINAL WAY THIS EARTH OR LAND MASS WAS ORIGINALLY GRAPHED....
Nubia is an outside term, Nubians never called themselves Nubians, Taseti is also an outside term, Kerma indigenously pronounced Kiaerma dates back to 3753 BC BEFORE the pharaonic era and middle kingdom of course. More work should be done in pre Kiaerma, not by Americans but by the Sudanese themselves, sadly Arab islamic imperialism flourishes, modern day Sudanese are donkeys 🤣
Why did all the ancient greeks call ancient egyptians Black? according to the following eyewitness: Eyewitness to ancient egyptian phenotype: Herodotus: The ancient Greek historian who lived in the 5th century BCE described the ancient Egyptians as having black skin and woolly hair in his work "Histories." Strabo: The ancient Greek geographer and historian who lived in the 1st century BCE described the Ethiopians (a term that could refer to people from various parts of Africa) as having black skin and woolly hair, and noted that some people considered the Egyptians to be of the same race. Diodorus Siculus: The ancient Greek historian who lived in the 1st century BCE described the Ethiopians as having dark skin and curly hair, and noted that some people considered the Egyptians to be of the same race. Plutarch: The ancient Greek philosopher and historian who lived in the 1st and 2nd centuries CE wrote that the Egyptians were "black with heat" due to the climate of their homeland. Al-Masudi: The 10th-century Arab historian and geographer described the ancient Egyptians as "a black people, different-looking and woolly-haired." Jean-Francois Champollion: The 19th-century French scholar who deciphered the hieroglyphs of ancient Egypt noted that some ancient Egyptians depicted themselves with darker skin tones than those of their neighbors. Herodotus: "Histories," Book II, Chapter 22. Available online: classics.mit.edu/Herodotus/history.2.ii.html Strabo: "Geography," Book XVI, Chapter 4, Section 7. Available online: penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Strabo/16D*.html#4.7 When you on the website go paragraph 8 then 1 where he confirms the Aksumite colonization of southern arabia (Yemen) Diodorus Siculus: "Library of History," Book III, Chapter 2, Sections 1-3. Available online: penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Diodorus_Siculus/3A*.html#2.1 Plutarch: "Isis and Osiris," 77. Available online: penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Plutarch/Moralia/Isis_and_Osiris*/B.html#77 Al-Masudi: "The Meadows of Gold," Volume 1, Chapter 3. Available online: archive.org/details/travelsalmes00masuuoft/page/52/mode/2up Jean-Francois Champollion: "Lettre à M. Dacier relative à l'alphabet des hiéroglyphes phonétiques," 1822. Available online: gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k5636837p/f9.item Herodotus: The description of the Egyptians as having "black skin and woolly hair" can be found in Book II, Chapter 22, which begins with the sentence "For my part I hold that the Colchians, the Egyptians, and the Ethiopians..." Al-Masudi: The passage describing the Egyptians as "the darkest of all humans" can be found in Volume 1, Chapter 3, on page 52 of the edition I consulted. Jean-Francois Champollion: In his "Lettre à M. Dacier relative à l'alphabet des hiéroglyphes phonétiques," Champollion does not use the term "black" to describe the ancient Egyptians. Rather, he argues that they were of African origin, based on linguistic and cultural evidence. The full text can be found at the link I provided earlier. In his work "Bibliotheca Historica" (Historical Library), Diodorus Siculus proposed a theory that the Egyptian civilization had Nubian origins. He argued that the culture, religion, and knowledge of the ancient Egyptians had been heavily influenced by the indigenous people of Nubia. He based this hypothesis on his observations of the similarities between the two cultures and the existence of Nubian elements within Egyptian society and religion. I guess al Masudi, Strabo, aristotle diodorus sicilus and plutarch are not credible too huh? What about the man who deciphered the hieroglyphs himself calling them negro africans, Jean Francois champollignon? You Euro-centrist are absolutely delusional. Unlike you I post the source with the Link and in a intellectual debate it is not about source but DIRECT PROOF. Which is what I just did. You eurocentrist cannot beat me in a argument, hence you retort to insults.
Great Stuff Great they are doing something for Nubia Kush Sudan They Should and Need to Do More I just know it's more to Nubia then we See they need an Should do more Digging in Sudan Kush Nubia to Save an find more information Artifacts Under the Sands an Water
This is So Important Information Can They help Save other tombs sunken the Waters it really anger's me because I know there is way Nubian Kush stuff Under those Waters Somebody have to save it it way more Artifacts Under those Waters and in those Sands and Nubian Writing I Know it I have a Feeling I'm Right Can Someone Check pls it's so so Important for future Generations to come an the World pls save Karma Nubia Kush pls Help
Why you even called them pharohs whlie they are not egypt ..kush nubuans are different civilization from the egyptian one ..nubians are represented as enemies in all egyptian paintings ..stop spreading lies
Because they've conquered Egypt and founded the 25th Dynasty which was the line of Nubian Pharaohs, Just like the Greeks who conquered Egypt under the leadership of Alexander the great who founded the Ptolemaic dynasty which was the line of Greek Pharaohs, simple.
@Natural.. That's false. Nubians was not always depicted as enemies. You can find pictures of them as mercenaries fighting for Egypt. You can find these same depictions of these Nubian mercenaries marrying Egyptian woman, showcasing their family and sometimes even having Egyptians as their servants. You can Google "The Stele of The Nubian Solider Nenu" which depicts him with his Egyptian wife, half Nubian/half Egyptian children and his Egyptian servant for proof of this.
@natural.. You can also look up and Google an 18th dynasty Egyptian noble by the name Maiherpri. He was of Nubian origin and he was literally buried in the Valley of the Kings in Upper Egypt. Bottom line is this, some Nubian groups were enemies of Egypt and other Nubian groups (Like The Medjay) were more friendly and even mercenaries of Ancient Egypt. To the point, they was even allowed to marry Egyptian women and be apart of Egyptian society.
@@charlesspeaksthetruth4334 I believe they became "enemies" of Egypt once "lower" egypt was conquered by invading peoples like Assyria and others from the North and East. They forced the original Egyptians (Nubians/Africans/Ethiopians) into "upper" Egypt, where they regrouped to form armies, but were unsuccessful at reclaiming Egypt/Kemet. They were then later invaded in "upper" egypt, which forced them to spread out further West.
Quit telling lies Nubians were not always shown as enemies. Nubians intermarried with Egyptians just like the various European royal families intermarried. And Nubians had pharaohs when they ruled Egypt, Taharqa was one.
In away I think this is my opinion ok here way A Afrikan lesson Ancient Egyptian's seen themselves as Better then the Nubians It's still goes on today in Africa Like Ethiopians Culturally see themselves as Better as Sudan Sudanese Culturally Speaking This is same way Ancient Egyptian's seen Themselves as Better as Nubian Kushite Medjays it's same thing kinda Mindset Culturally Speaking It's Same Mindset Facts
I don't understand the separation of Nubia and Egypt by caucasians
Because, it is a way for caucasians to attempt to insert themselves into the dawn of civilization.
Divide and conquer
They try to project white supremacy back 6-3 kya as if they had white racism back then.
nubia is older then egypt
@Son Egypt since when?
@@aroutledge9565 Since 3,000 plus B.C.
Why do think they are separate?
Even in modern days we are one nation with different components . Mohammed Najib the first president after 1952 revolution was Nubian-Egyptian. Mohammed Anwar Elsadat the third Egyptian president was Nubian-Egyptian.
Mohammed Hussien Tantawi , the commander-in-chief of the Egyptian Armed Forces, the de facto head of state from the ousting of Hosni Mubarak on 11 February 2011 was Nubian. You afrocentric Americans think that Nubians in Egypt are salves as you were in America. But no dudes Nubians are the head of the country in Egypt. Go spread your racist propaganda somewhere else.
@@nadiraltahawy6279 They speak a different language
Why do people try so hard to hide this stuff man come on.
You know why
I'm very tired to see and listen to these people's explaining someone else ancient history, were is there history located at
That's a good question most of them can't or wont answer.
That's my question lol
In egypt
I don’t understand the speakers determination that people in Egypt/Nubia were not from West Africa without explaining the migration of people from Northeast Africa to other parts of Africa and also not mentioning the fact that Africans were moving around, moving in and out of that region constantly for trade. Before we were divided into 54 different nations and before a population transformation, the African continent was a place where Black people moved around, had interrelationships and traded with each other. Why would it be improbable that West Africans were there or people left Egypt/Nubia to live in West Africa?
You have a point. DNA on pharaoh Ramses lll shows that he carried the haplogroup E1b1a, which is mainly found in Central and West Africa. Most Northeast African paternal haplogroup is E1b1b.
Racists always find such things so hard to conceptualize. Smh
Im from East Africa. Alot of our cultural history and artefacts plus mddical advances is embedded in Egypt,were we know we migrated from. Mentu (meaning a person in Bantu) is mentuhotep. We live and have intermarried with Nubians. The evidence provided in modern history is very sad and skewed towards painting blacks as not intelligent. Black Africans have migrated and intermarried thousands of years. We have evidence of even how much our dressing was changed post colonialism. We have precolonial photos of our people-you would think we walked directly out of an egyptian or nubian drawing!!!!! Our hairstyle,the jewelry,the clothing-completely nubian/egyptian. However history books now teach we are from the Congo and they have bones to proof it. Yet,our own people's bones were shipped away during colonialism. We dont know where they were taken. Most people in the West never knew what was going on. All this information will be new to them. We should be understanding if people are surprised at how intelligent black people were. They were taught by people who had their own agendas.
@@listenup2882 true
Sister, do not worry. Time and continued scholarship will prove Dr. Cheik Anta Diop correct on all points regarding the cultural, genetic, linguistic, etc. continuity of the ancient civilizations of the Nile Valley and the rest of the African continent, especially West, Central and South Eastern Africa.
Nubia is older than Egypt. I wonder why they attribute Nubia to copying Egyp instead of Egyptians copying Nubians.
Where's the rest of the mural Africans submissive to Tut They kneel and worship Tut, you bunch of thieves
Yeah it started in the horn of Africa according to Christopher Ehret
Now I am proud that I am Nubian living in Egypt
Please review the Facebook page Nubian Geographic were starting a full series to dismantle the predynastic Egypt to fully enlighten fellow Nubians, this lecture is a tip of the iceberg
You weren't proud before? Kush was the foundation of Egypt genetically and culturally. You don't know your history.
@@lf1496 Eaaaasy sis
I'm very glad to see a responsible scholarship developing around Nubia and Egypt. We hope to see more actual Nubians getting involved in archeology and bringing some cultural nuance to the field. I'm Ugandan and very fascinated by ancient Nile valley civilization.
@@lf1496 Truth! The Nabta Playa in the Nubian desert is the oldest man made structure in the Nile Valley and Ta-Seti is name for Nubia was the first nome of Upper Kemet (Egypt) and the Qustul Incense burner was unearthed in Lower Nubia by the oriental institute before the construction of the Aswan High Dam has the earliest depictions of dynastic symbols such as the white crown, Horus the falcon, Kneeling prisoner, Palace facade, and the Rosette before the first dynasty of Kemet, Nag El-Hammdulab in Lower Nubia also has the oldest depictions of the white crown, also the Qadan, Halfan, Khormusan, Sebilian cultures all originated in Lower Nubia and expanded into Upper and Middle Kemet, Nubia also has the oldest man made potteries in the world which are called "the Khartoum Mesolithic" and the oldest practice of mummification was done on a boy called "Uan Muhuggiag" which scholars called him "dark skinned mummy" and its 5700 years old.
My father is a black Cuban who did his DNA with 23&Me. He is a descendant of a Yoruba Nigerian man that was brought to Cuba during the slave trade. Well my father's DNA showed he is a DIRECT descendant of Ramsees III. They both share the E1B1A haplogroup which is BLACK African. People from the Nile Valley MIGRATED to West Africa. There are many tribes in West Africa that have their origins in the Nile Valley, Fulani people, Dogon, Yoruba of Nigeria, Wolof of Senegal etc. DNA, language religious practices etc tells us that. The history of African people is very complex.
West Africans are not Nubians or Egyptians
Fulani is not Nubians the Fulani is a mixed raced tribe the Fulani peoples have Arab DNA west African DNA 🧬 and Fulani is found in South Sudan 🇸🇸 not Nubians or Egyptians DNA 🧬
I'm walof of Sénégal n ur fully right sister
Where's the rest of the mural Africans submissive to Tut They kneel and worship Tut, you bunch of thieves
@@RR-ri4vnwho are you?
The first Egyptians came from East Africa (Nubians). The artifacts and pyramids of Nubia were the starting point of Egypt. The people moved up North, and mixed with other native Africans. They then were like two different states, but both the same in region, culture, and people. The egyptians in present day are mostly a different native north African group, that was not the predominant amount of people in ancient Egypt. The majority were darkskin East Africans. Keep in mind that there were most likely a variety of tribes from even central east Africa to the Horn of Africa. This is the case because the Egyptians even depicted different shades of the black people of Egypt (darskin people, and mostly brownskin people, Egyptians).
The people who became Egyptians didn't just come from East Africa they also came from central Africa and North Africa.
Thats a lie ..all the mummkes tested are middleastern blood
@@originsandcivilizations3983 those DNA TEST were debunked
@@cherriledbetter1120 who debunked them you ?😂😂
how was the race of ancient egyptians discribed by ancient historians who saw the ancient egyptians and and dealt with them face to face.
●herodotus:ch.97
°what does athiop mean: athiop literally means burnt face in greek language which is an equivelent of black people .
°where did athiops live:herdotus said that athiops lived south of the southern borders of egypt .
he also mentioned that those athiops brought gifts to egyptians as tribute which is shown exactly in ancient egyptians art that there are black people who were paying homage to egyptians .
herodotus also discribed the people of southern india as looking like athiops while the people of north indian which is pakistan now looked like egyptians .
●herodotus 104
discribed ancient egyptian people as looking like the colchians .
the colchians now inhabit country named georgia.he thought that they were identical to egyptians that he even said that they had egyptian descend (he mentioned that they are descended from senusert the third army (an egyptian king who invaded that area and left his army there)
●herodotus 532
he mentioned that dorians (etnical greeks) to be true born egyptians in origin which affirm that egyptians had mediterranean look as egypt an mediterranean country .
●diogenes laertius:diogenes in his book discribed a native man from cyprus as being looking like egyptians that he even called him from egyptian branch .
●starbo geographica:made a direct comparison stating that egyptians looked like the people on north india while athiops looked like the people of south india .
●roman geographer:repeating the same comparison saying that north indians looked like egyptians while south indians looked like athiops (native sudanese and ethiopians)
To suggest that an African scholar went to far connecting ancient African customs is pure arrogance and nonsense and prejudice. Pre colonial Africa NOT colonial Africa
I think Ancient Egypt and Nubia is an was Same people but a Different ethic Group's just in Africa today there are Alot Different ethic Group's today Sudan an Ethiopia that's just the Tip of Ice Bird I Love Ancient Nubia kush and Egypt Love way home there home to our hearts I really really in near future they do more for Sudan Nubia Kush Cultures really go Deeper in Depths Respect an love all people
This guy is still telling lies. He's confusing Upper Egypt (Northern Sudan), Nubia ( Northern to central Sudan) and Kush (central Sudan downwards). Egyptians were mixing and becoming more Afro-asiatic and the Nubian were still indigenous Black Africans. He's trying to make a racial distinction between the Egyptians and Nubians and they were both Black African tribes. The evidence also shows that the art, religion, theology, culture, technology, ideas, reading writing was coming from the Sudan and flowing southward. Even the soldiers came from the Sudan. The Nubian pyramids are older than the ones in Giza. So now Nubia has gone from a subject state to culturally entangled state of Egypt.
What makes you think Nubian pyramids predate the ones in Giza? The Egyptians were diverse, so-called Black people, so-called Berbers, Mediterranean Europeans and Southwest Asians.
Nubians are not black negroid Africans the real Nubians are the beja people
I thought Dr. Cheikh Anta Diop’s focus on the cultural continuity of Africa was on the migration of Africans from the Nile Valley to the West as opposed to the lecturer’s dismissal of a point Diop never made. I thought Diop was saying that the Wolof people, like many other West African ethnic groups settled into West Africa from the east after successive collapses of Nile Valley civilization. May be I am wrong in my understanding of Diop’s “The African Origin of Civilization” and “Civilization or Barbarism”.
I'm reading The African Origin of Civilization now and it has completely revamped my undestanding of ancient African civilizations and how aware 19th European archeologists were of this fact and sought to conceal it. I had good knowledge but Diop's work is so detailed and apologetic.
I also found that to be a little off, as Diop never said they came from Western African. I thinks this is a case of the lecturer not actually reading any of Diops works.
U re not wrong i'm Sénégalese n our tradition says We came direct from kmt
U re not wrong i'm Sénégalese n our tradition says We came direct from kmt
U re not wrong i'm Sénégalese n our tradition says We came direct from kmt
About 50 minutes in he gets into racism and Egypt being a black African civilization.
Egypt was not blk lol
@@originsandcivilizations3983 kemet was black
@@jeranne9532 how was the race of ancient egyptians discribed by ancient historians who saw the ancient egyptians and and dealt with them face to face.
●herodotus:ch.97
°what does athiop mean: athiop literally means burnt face in greek language which is an equivelent of black people .
°where did athiops live:herdotus said that athiops lived south of the southern borders of egypt .
he also mentioned that those athiops brought gifts to egyptians as tribute which is shown exactly in ancient egyptians art that there are black people who were paying homage to egyptians .
herodotus also discribed the people of southern india as looking like athiops while the people of north indian which is pakistan now looked like egyptians .
●herodotus 104
discribed ancient egyptian people as looking like the colchians .
the colchians now inhabit country named georgia.he thought that they were identical to egyptians that he even said that they had egyptian descend (he mentioned that they are descended from senusert the third army (an egyptian king who invaded that area and left his army there)
●herodotus 532
he mentioned that dorians (etnical greeks) to be true born egyptians in origin which affirm that egyptians had mediterranean look as egypt an mediterranean country .
●diogenes laertius:diogenes in his book discribed a native man from cyprus as being looking like egyptians that he even called him from egyptian branch .
●starbo geographica:made a direct comparison stating that egyptians looked like the people on north india while athiops looked like the people of south india .
●roman geographer:repeating the same comparison saying that north indians looked like egyptians while south indians looked like athiops (native sudanese and ethiopians)
@@jeranne9532 ●the mummies and sekeltons of ancient egyptians indicates they were similar to modern egyptians ~yurco.
●there has been this very strong attampt to throghout the history of egyptology to seperate the ancient egyptians from the modern egyptian population and thats why we have movments like negrocentrics and eurocentrucs trying really hard to steal egyptian history for themselves.(stephen Qulrke2017)
●egyptian civilzation was not mediterranean or african,semitic or hamitic ,black or white but all of them .it was, in short, egyptian (barbara Mertz 2011).
●egyptians were and are the indegenous farmers of lower nile valley ,neither black nor white as races are concieved of today .(kathryn Bard 2014)
@@jeranne9532 ●hipocrates said ancient egyptians looked like sythians(they are indo european people inhabitting iran and parts of europe)
Also King Tut Roots goes way to Nubia Kush also Seti I came before King Tut but he Ruled Egypt an Connecting Nubian Kush Medjays
Dont lie, you do know how google works dont you
I wish they could do Videos or Do build Reconstruct Full size Nubian Kush Fort an Garrison to people how Powerful Nubia Really Was an Battle strategy they did and Reconstruct there Weaponry an Armour Clothing and Reconstruct there Shields an Bows an Arrows and How was they so skillful at Archery and reconstruct Full size Nubian Kush Medjays Warrior's
Very nice lecture. Some notes to put things in better context. (Personally I detest the term Nubia as it implies a continuous ethnic, linguistic, culture and political group which lasted over 5000 years but that is false. Just like calling parts of Europe "France" 5,000 years ago.) Anyway, the Nile Valley is important to understanding the early evolution of humans leading up to and after migrating out of Africa. And there is evidence of human settlement along the Nile going back 100,000 years ago. Some examples are the site at Arkin -8, the Khormusan tool industry, the Halfan tool industry/culture and later periods leading up to the Neolithic. And the significance of this is that these cultures developed the techniques that are foundational to things that came later, both inside and outside Africa. So understanding that in its proper context is very important (there were no humans outside Africa 100,000 years ago). The earliest pottery came from these periods, the earliest examples of sickles used to harvest wild grain came from these periods. And of course various monolithic sites, cattle burials, animal burials and so forth all came from these periods. And more importantly many of the sites for these earlier cultures were all in the area from just North of Aswan down to the 2nd cataract. These are sites spanning tens of thousands of years of human evolution along the Nile in the same areas that are called "Nubian" from 3000 BC onwards based on Reisner's methodology. And this is the biggest problem because it totally makes a disjointed history of the Nile Valley.
Then as to the specifics of this video, one thing he glossed over but could have elaborated on more is how Amun started. Amun started in the Middle Kingdom with the Pharaohs Amenhemaat (Amen is Amun). Amenhemaat literally means Amen/Amun brings balance. This was significant because the Middle Kingdom arose after a period of instability which was put down by kings from the South including the various Mentuhotep and Amenhotep kings. It is during this period that we first see depiction of archers from further South depicted in Egyptian tombs. These are the allies of the kings who restored the balance of the country. There is actually a stele in the Egyptian museum showing Senwosret sitting on a scale (the symbol of maat) twice. On one side he is facing horus and on the other he is facing set symbolizing balance between those two natures. And during this time there was a story written called the prophecy of Neferti stating that a king from the South (Around Aswan) would come and restore balance in the country. It was also during this time that the first shrines would be built at what would become Karnak. In particular this is the first time we see Amun, as a jet black mummified diety with plumes (feathers or leaves of lettuce) sticking out of his head and a particular organ sticking out. These were built by the Middle Kingdom Kings. The point here is that this deity symbolized (along with many other deities) the southern origins of kingship and culture going all the way back to even before Kemet itself. The people of Kemet themselves acknowledged this. So just like the NIle brings fertile black soil from within Africa it also brought ideas and techniques and black skin with it as well. And this iconography was important in that it reflected the reality that throughout the dynastic era, from birth to the late period it was from the South that the restoration, renewal and balance came to the kingdom.
Also, during the third intermediate period, the Herihor and Piankhi were both kings sons of Kush, meaning administrators of Kush. And during this era, the institution of th Kings son of Kush under Herihor became almost the defacto ruler of the country if not Upper Egypt proper. Some would say that the fight between Herihor and Piank was an power struggle over the institution Kings son of Kush and that Ramses was a weak king at that time. Either way, both Piankh and Herihor were black Africans. It is during this time period that some of the finest examples of mummification ever in the Nile Valley are found in the examples of Mutnodjmet and Hennutawy and others. Mutnodjmet was one of the Gods wives of Amun at the time and has a very fine mummy. Also it is during this time that Herihor reburied many of the older mummies that had their tombs plundered in antiquity.
Please Pray For Nubia. The Nile is flooding the whole country right now in a way never seen in recorded history.
Yes the Capital Of Kush in Meroe is now under threat!
God Hapi is upset!
So basically Egyptians started with black Africans wasn't expecting that
That’s not that hard to realize, Egypt is in Africa 🤷🏾♂️
@@TwanHill05 I know but I'm just not used to this being told a little sarcasm for ya. Peace.
ALL ingenious Africans are BLACK the rest are invaders especially Caucasians ALL of Africa was black
KEMET AND NUBIA ARE THE SAME KUSHITE EMPIRE THE BLACK KUSHITES OR KEMITES BUT YOU CALL THEM ANESTORS EGYPTIANS THEY CAME FROM THE UPPER NILE TO THE LOWER NILE YOU FOOL. AND NOT ALL WALLED BUT HAD BOATS TO GO DOWN THE NILE
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IF YOU TOOK A MAP OF AFRIKA AND YOU SEE THE NILE AND LOOKED AT IT CLOSELY THE BOTTOM SAYS UPPER AND THE TOP SAYS LOWER. IF YOU TURN THAT MAP UP SIDE DOWN THEN YOU CAN SEE THE ORIGINAL WAY THIS EARTH OR LAND MASS WAS ORIGINALLY GRAPHED....
Nubians Kushite They Use Golden Arrows and Thumb Rings I heard
What time period are the pieces from and what name did the people call themselves?
Nubia is an outside term, Nubians never called themselves Nubians, Taseti is also an outside term, Kerma indigenously pronounced Kiaerma dates back to 3753 BC BEFORE the pharaonic era and middle kingdom of course. More work should be done in pre Kiaerma, not by Americans but by the Sudanese themselves, sadly Arab islamic imperialism flourishes, modern day Sudanese are donkeys 🤣
Why did all the ancient greeks call ancient egyptians Black? according to the following eyewitness:
Eyewitness to ancient egyptian phenotype:
Herodotus: The ancient Greek historian who lived in the 5th century BCE described the ancient Egyptians as having black skin and woolly hair in his work "Histories."
Strabo: The ancient Greek geographer and historian who lived in the 1st century BCE described the Ethiopians (a term that could refer to people from various parts of Africa) as having black skin and woolly hair, and noted that some people considered the Egyptians to be of the same race.
Diodorus Siculus: The ancient Greek historian who lived in the 1st century BCE described the Ethiopians as having dark skin and curly hair, and noted that some people considered the Egyptians to be of the same race.
Plutarch: The ancient Greek philosopher and historian who lived in the 1st and 2nd centuries CE wrote that the Egyptians were "black with heat" due to the climate of their homeland.
Al-Masudi: The 10th-century Arab historian and geographer described the ancient Egyptians as "a black people, different-looking and woolly-haired."
Jean-Francois Champollion: The 19th-century French scholar who deciphered the hieroglyphs of ancient Egypt noted that some ancient Egyptians depicted themselves with darker skin tones than those of their neighbors.
Herodotus: "Histories," Book II, Chapter 22. Available online: classics.mit.edu/Herodotus/history.2.ii.html
Strabo: "Geography," Book XVI, Chapter 4, Section 7. Available online: penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Strabo/16D*.html#4.7
When you on the website go paragraph 8 then 1 where he confirms the Aksumite colonization of southern arabia (Yemen)
Diodorus Siculus: "Library of History," Book III, Chapter 2, Sections 1-3. Available online: penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Diodorus_Siculus/3A*.html#2.1
Plutarch: "Isis and Osiris," 77. Available online: penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Plutarch/Moralia/Isis_and_Osiris*/B.html#77
Al-Masudi: "The Meadows of Gold," Volume 1, Chapter 3. Available online: archive.org/details/travelsalmes00masuuoft/page/52/mode/2up
Jean-Francois Champollion: "Lettre à M. Dacier relative à l'alphabet des hiéroglyphes phonétiques," 1822. Available online: gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k5636837p/f9.item
Herodotus: The description of the Egyptians as having "black skin and woolly hair" can be found in Book II, Chapter 22, which begins with the sentence "For my part I hold that the Colchians, the Egyptians, and the Ethiopians..."
Al-Masudi: The passage describing the Egyptians as "the darkest of all humans" can be found in Volume 1, Chapter 3, on page 52 of the edition I consulted.
Jean-Francois Champollion: In his "Lettre à M. Dacier relative à l'alphabet des hiéroglyphes phonétiques," Champollion does not use the term "black" to describe the ancient Egyptians. Rather, he argues that they were of African origin, based on linguistic and cultural evidence. The full text can be found at the link I provided earlier.
In his work "Bibliotheca Historica" (Historical Library), Diodorus Siculus proposed a theory that the Egyptian civilization had Nubian origins. He argued that the culture, religion, and knowledge of the ancient Egyptians had been heavily influenced by the indigenous people of Nubia. He based this hypothesis on his observations of the similarities between the two cultures and the existence of Nubian elements within Egyptian society and religion.
I guess al Masudi, Strabo, aristotle diodorus sicilus and plutarch are not credible too huh? What about the man who deciphered the hieroglyphs himself calling them negro africans, Jean Francois champollignon? You Euro-centrist are absolutely delusional.
Unlike you I post the source with the Link and in a intellectual debate it is not about source but DIRECT PROOF. Which is what I just did. You eurocentrist cannot beat me in a argument, hence you retort to insults.
Egypt history African people 100%❤❤❤
Great Stuff Great they are doing something for Nubia Kush Sudan They Should and Need to Do More I just know it's more to Nubia then we See they need an Should do more Digging in Sudan Kush Nubia to Save an find more information Artifacts Under the Sands an Water
Are you Nubian brother?
some information is goog, other is fake they try To continue the confusion on the Égypte history. the peopol of Égypte antique was black
Funny 😁 Egyptian not black and not African
@@EgyptianHorus yet Egypt is in Africa but you claim not African. Learn geography
@@luchamiomaridekakio6429 Egypt not African and not black and not Arabs
White scholarship admission that dr.Ben and Ivan Vancertima was right.
East Africa.
If u were not there, then you are playing a guessing game regardless of the books u read.
No shit
All humans come from the Asiatic black man.
Go to sleep
@@EgyptianHorus when truth comes falsehood vanishes ,and falsehood is a forever Vanishing thing.SHAITAN
Lol. Peace god
This is So Important Information Can They help Save other tombs sunken the Waters it really anger's me because I know there is way Nubian Kush stuff Under those Waters Somebody have to save it it way more Artifacts Under those Waters and in those Sands and Nubian Writing I Know it I have a Feeling I'm Right Can Someone Check pls it's so so Important for future Generations to come an the World pls save Karma Nubia Kush pls Help
Do you know everything you talking about is black peoples of color
Why you even called them pharohs whlie they are not egypt ..kush nubuans are different civilization from the egyptian one ..nubians are represented as enemies in all egyptian paintings ..stop spreading lies
Because they've conquered Egypt and founded the 25th Dynasty which was the line of Nubian Pharaohs, Just like the Greeks who conquered Egypt under the leadership of Alexander the great who founded the Ptolemaic dynasty which was the line of Greek Pharaohs, simple.
@Natural.. That's false. Nubians was not always depicted as enemies. You can find pictures of them as mercenaries fighting for Egypt. You can find these same depictions of these Nubian mercenaries marrying Egyptian woman, showcasing their family and sometimes even having Egyptians as their servants. You can Google "The Stele of The Nubian Solider Nenu" which depicts him with his Egyptian wife, half Nubian/half Egyptian children and his Egyptian servant for proof of this.
@natural.. You can also look up and Google an 18th dynasty Egyptian noble by the name Maiherpri. He was of Nubian origin and he was literally buried in the Valley of the Kings in Upper Egypt. Bottom line is this, some Nubian groups were enemies of Egypt and other Nubian groups (Like The Medjay) were more friendly and even mercenaries of Ancient Egypt. To the point, they was even allowed to marry Egyptian women and be apart of Egyptian society.
@@charlesspeaksthetruth4334 I believe they became "enemies" of Egypt once "lower" egypt was conquered by invading peoples like Assyria and others from the North and East. They forced the original Egyptians (Nubians/Africans/Ethiopians) into "upper" Egypt, where they regrouped to form armies, but were unsuccessful at reclaiming Egypt/Kemet. They were then later invaded in "upper" egypt, which forced them to spread out further West.
Quit telling lies Nubians were not always shown as enemies. Nubians intermarried with Egyptians just like the various European royal families intermarried. And Nubians had pharaohs when they ruled Egypt, Taharqa was one.
Bodied the transgenders unknowingly
Am. Just starting to study Egypt with an open mind...your analysis way off sir
Speak the truth who vex loss
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In away I think this is my opinion ok here way A Afrikan lesson Ancient Egyptian's seen themselves as Better then the Nubians It's still goes on today in Africa Like Ethiopians Culturally see themselves as Better as Sudan Sudanese Culturally Speaking This is same way Ancient Egyptian's seen Themselves as Better as Nubian Kushite Medjays it's same thing kinda Mindset Culturally Speaking It's Same Mindset Facts
@Marc Davis Hi, where did you get this statement from? I am trying to find it