I still have a bad feeling with James Patterson having his hands on the Shadow property. If anything, he'll probably make the Shadow a Batman knock off
It is so much worse than that. The book is bad. It's terrible. It's a teen-dystopian novel, using time-travel (cryofreeze) to justify why The Shadow from the 1930s is in the 2080s with his granddaughter
You should make more radio recreations, maybe some of the comic and pulps that never got the audio treatment in the first place. You make a decent Lamont, my dude.
I'm training to be a writer and I agree with having a morally absolutist Shadow. But I would make a meta message where the agents are the morally ambiguous characters and the Shadow teaches them how reality works. That's what I would do if I had the Shadow license. Keeping him as a mystery, focusing on the agents and making him an enigma, even for Margot Lane. I would represent the Shadow as justice itself, ethereal, absolute and blind. There would be character development but only with the agents. See how they grow to be more effective in their fight against crime as the Shadow mentors them. And that's not hard to see. It has been done before, the best displays of this in my opinion were in the Chinese Disks and the Sinister Shadow
You should do more homages to the old radio show. I loved the one I listened to. The one with sargon was awesome. Everyone did an amazing job. Even the commercial breaks were awesome.
@CandyColouredClown THE SHADOW: The Immortal Murderer ( I think that's the one with Sargon ) and The Shadow: DANGER IN THE DARK. Both are on his Rageaholic channel, enjoy.
Just finished Hitler's Astrologer. I would love a story of the Shadow but before the October Revolution. He sees the rapid change of the country as an observer and as a narrator. He's basically trapped and fights against Lenin and his boys. It'd be a interesting locale for him as he doesn't know who to trust and he has to get out alive. Great news for the Shadow. Honestly I think you have done a lot for The Shadow and I thank you for introducing me. Walter would be proud. Godspeed.
I remember when I first got into British adventure comics I wrote off everything pre-2000AD as "stiff upper lip empire propaganda" and everything aimed at girls pre-Misty as "commands to obey their fathers". Then I grew up. I expect the Forbes writer is merely stuck at 18 years old and has never read a line of The Shadow, so just guessed what it is like.
You ever play RDR2? There's this gang called the Nite Folk, who are basically Voodoo zombies. It reminded me instantly of Voodoo Master, and made me think how creepy and visually effective that entire character concept could be.
Watching this now I feel bad, the Patterson book from what I have understood is terrible, they off him to replace him with a girl in the modern era. Very "modern" indeed.
This is most excellent news! 6:50 Of course *rolls eyes* there's always a catch. I can't stand modern standards being applied to a story where it had different social norms, it removes the nuances and context. I agree, I'm also tired of moral ambiguity as well. Still I'm glad we are getting new stories and a possible new film. Just keep Zack Snyder away from it.
So that's why Radio Spirits had to pull all their Shadow radio collections! That may also be why Grace Gibson in Australia hasn't released any new collections of their Shadow episodes. Let's hope someone has the brains to find some really good voice actors and bring the "lost" radio episodes back to life. If they do I hope their as good as the 2 you did, those are the best recreations I've come across!
To those who are thinking of buying the James Patterson book for the name 'The Shadow,' don't. The book he has published is an insult to both the Pulp and Radio version of the character. Patterson's version states in chapter 36 that he: 1. Never did the laugh 2. Never wore a black hat 3. Never had a red scarf 4. Never had that 'ridiculous' gun. Stay away from it and just read everything else on the character. I would unironically read the Si Spurrier series over Patterson's verison
I would be interested in what an ideal modern Shadow would look like. None of the woke business but questions like what would be the modern day equivalent of the cobalt club? Would Burke be more similar to Marsland in that he would have to be deeply undercover? How would you send secret messages effectively? I’ve had a lot of fun thinking out that kind of stuff.
Big shadow fan! Just subbed. Has anyone else read the new Shadow book by Patterson and been completely disappointed? I didn't have high hopes to begin with. This isn't the material this character deserves, can't see a successful film franchise if this is what is offered up. So many missed opportunities with this character.
The Shadow as a property is tailor made for modern audiences. A morally absolute avenger of the night, amassing a small army of agents who each work in a defined role, The Shadow fights mobsters, crime syndicates and supervillians. Nothing about the character if done like the pulps would not work with a modern audience.
I still think there should be a Batman the animated series style of The Shadow, but it would have to be Conde Nast themselves doing it since licensing it out from them would basically destroy any profit margin
Thank you for the good news regarding The Shadow and James Patterson. I'm going to remain positively hopeful for the time being. Personally, I'd like to see The Shadow remain in the 1930's, but as long as David Liss (worst Shadow writer ever) stays away, I'll be hoping for the best in any era.
What could be an interesting direction with all the deconstructions going on, and generally failing, would be to base the Shadow as something more like a reconstruction. Let some of his principles be challenged, but have him be vindicated by the end.
Yes it has fair a chance it's more bad than good but fingers crossed the levels woke is kept to a minimal and I guess we're gonna have to take the good with the bad.
I’m 18. Love Robert e Howard, and am also currently loving the shadow pulps online. You’re absolutely right. I’m honestly surprised how casual and modern, well, not too old the prose is. It’s very lovely to read. And I believe writing styles like this could encourage boys to read, as its on the decline.
"It was so dated" I read a shadow pulp the other day and literally thought "this is more realistic than most crime shows you see today". Quality is timeless. The reson these people say The Shadow is dated is because they're focused on "the current thing" A note though: the black speech pattern is actually derived from the speech pattern of southern whites, who in turn got it from the British poor who brought it to America. So it did technically come from white people. It just wasn't a caricature put upon them by racists misrepresenting their speech pattern
That's a really great point good sir, this is one of my favorite channels! I'm curious to hear what you think is the best, definitive Shadow novel that you think needs to be adapted into a movie. I'm thinking one with an iconic Shadow villain, and all of the characters already established, but nothing confusing in the book that would require prior knowledge for new audiences. I know you said the Living Shadow deserves a movie, but are there any others you think could be a great reboot?
I genuinely want to give these new books a chance and so when the first one eventually comes out I will pick it up and give it a read I just hope that, it continues to retain what makes the shadow great, who he is and what he does. Although I will say this I hope that this time around they don't make Margo a 'bag of holding' as u put it for any poltical views.
I’ll admit to having some skepticism about the idea of James Patterson tackling The Shadow. I don’t wanna be right in thinking he’ll fuck it up but I worry he’ll just make an okayish detective story and not a great Shadow story.
This is neat. I was thinking about how they could do new shadow novels. Like how one man does new doc savage stories(including a crossover with the shadow.) and a movie could be cool. At first this was incredibly exciting, but from a completely logical standpoint. There’s a few points of concern. It’s unfortunately very likely the character won’t be taken seriously on his own merits, and will simply be to cash in on the superhero craze. But hey, one can hope. But only the shadow knows.
I think the most important thing for him to do is keep the new novels brief. No more than 200 pages for standard paperback format. Edit: It's over 400 pages. Fuck.
I've been looking at The Shadow Sanctum website and wanted to purchase the 1st volume via paypal. I'm assuming I add postage and message the item I want along with my address? Just wanted confirmation. Enjoying the deep dive in old Americana
Fantastic news, Razor! Is it weird that I'd like the theoretical film featuring The Shadow to be animated? Like, it would be pretty awesome to have a Rated R animated adaptation of The Voodoo Master or The Red Menace.
Also...regardless the notion of settling new Shadow stories in the present-day, I guess I'd agree with you that it COULD work, thought the original Depression/WWII era would still be preferable...there are some nuances to a modern-day setting that should be kept in mind, however -- and I definitely DON'T mean any of this "woke-SJW" nonsense...instead, I refer to certain other exigencies of our times: specifically, the presence of better street lighting and high-tech surveillance and forensic technology (though I do think there are ways to deal with this). I think what could be interesting is the idea of the juxtaposition of today's attitudes with The Shadow's near-merciless M.O. -- and I don't mean that said M.O should be altered to make it more ("supposedly") palatable to current "values."... As an aside, where the possible present-day setting is concerned (if this is, indeed, the approach Patterson's team will take), what would you say to this: in the new stories, The Shadow currently operating is, in fact, the SAME EXACT individual that was active in those "golden days" of the pulp period, who has inexplicably been preserved in his prime to the 21st century -- don't explain it, devise new agents and enemies with the understanding that those original supporting characters are long-gone, etc -- inject a touch of larger-than-life legendary status to the character by hinting that he's got a bit of the Tarzan's life-prolonging elixir at play... Thoughts?...
Hate it about Sanctum, but I'm looking forward to seeing what Conde Nast can do. Do you have anything special planned for the 90th anniversary of the 1st radio appearance at the end of the month?
What would you say to a "Son of Shadow"? Say, one in the 70s where an aging Lamont picks the progenitor of his crepuscular persona to battle the Mafia or F.A.L.N.?
I will be honest. The fact that someone as famous/popular as James Patterson showing interest in the shadow is intriguing. Partially gives hope, but not much. I honestly haven’t read James Patterson myself. I’m sure he has some talent, but not everything’s that’s popular is good, few are.
I’d absolutely adore if they kept all the current social ‘incorrectness’ of the stories. I greatly appreciate your personal story of your Chinese friend’s mother. It’s not that I support racism or anything of the sort, but it’s an excellent opportunity to remind people of how we got to where we are in modern story telling, especially in this sub-genre of crime fiction. Maybe we as a society aren’t ready for that in mass fiction. Maybe corporate media isn’t ready to admit that ‘dated’ material isn’t bad material, maybe they’re not ready to bet time and money on it either. Maybe no one at Condé Nast has actually read all the books. I mean, I only know of a handful of people who have. Your reference to Jericho Druke is one they probably don’t know anything about the character. I digress I’m afraid all we will get is a set of books and a short run tv series with similar tones to the dark knight trilogy. And I for one would be mortified if that was the case.
I just hope that a new Shadow film pulls through and doesn't linger in development hell like the proposed Raimi film. And that Dynamite publishes a new Shadow ongoing with some consistency and not just have rotating creative teams. When I first read the first 6 issues of The Shadow by Garth Ennis, I thought it wasn't perfect, but a good opener. Then it turned out those were the ONLY issues Ennis was gonna write because honestly, a Shadow series by Garth Ennis that'd last 60 or so issues would've been a match made in Heaven for me. Here's hoping for a new Dynamite Shadow comic with consistency along with the books and possible movie. Also congrats on your first season. This is the first episode of Shadowcast I've listened to and I love it so far. Keep up the good work! 😊
Quit getting me hooked on things, especially those sanctum books because some are asking well beyond reasonable prices. As for time periods, I wouldn't mind a more contemporary setting, just to see how the Shadow fares in the tech age. New crimes, new problems, and a morally certain hero in an impossibly polarized population. Provided they don't give it to someone that would make it one sided cause, I'd want to see in the same story, him bring down some corrupt businessman, then condemn a mass of activists for demanding the toils of others.
I'll bet even money Patterson will write a modern Shadow. Ian Fleming Publications trtied the same thing in 2010 with Carte Blanche by Jeffery Deaver, and that didn't work out too well. Aside from that "Shadow Now" series there hasn't been a decent modern version...so it's a catch 22 for sure. While I'm interested, Im going to be cautious. Carte Blanche pretty much was Bond's first assignment with some decent Intelligence lingo, if Patterson IS going to reboot then hopefully he'll do it right. I guess Raymond Benson isn't prolific enough. He did write a novel about a superhero set in the fifties, and his James Bond books were decent enough. If anyone should be writing for The Shadow, it's Benson.
I'm both hyped up for and dreading this it could be a bunch of new awesome shadow stories (please this please) or.... trash like the shadow making a group of "not antifa" into his agents to fight a cabal of red hat wearing fascist... Oh god now I'm picturing The Red Envoy as a tuxedo mask like character who shows up to help the shadow time to time
l In Theather peça n" The Shadow - Benning of Felony" as Kent Allard/The Shadow(Marcelo); Margo Lane (leland Baldwin) start in January Audition on City New York Broadway!
I... am not familiar with James Patterson at all, but he seems prolific and well-known, so I'll keep some cautious optimism. Those remarks are definitely from the Forbes hack who hasn't read a book in his life that wasn't approved by the Groupthink. I read the announcement on a different site and it had none of that nonsense. On bringing The Shadow to the modern age, as in having him operate in the 21st century - I don't think that's necessarily what they meant by saying that they'll "bring him to modern audiences" as much as it was about making said audience familiar with the character at all. There are no definite statements either way, which didn't stop The Shadow Knows FB group from having a complete meltdown at the notion. I myself though don't see any problem with it. Good characters, when brought over properly, stay good and relevant in any era. I don't know if it's just being afraid of them messing it up with the addition of extra moving parts or being burnt by The Shadow Now, a lackluster Dynamite comic tackling the idea, but, well, my thoughts were the same as yours on this one - World's Greatest Ersatz feels just fine in the modern era and the only difference between him and our Master of Darkness is that the former consistently stayed in print over the course of all these decades. I love seeing The Shadow gun down mobsters as much as the next guy, but he battled every kind of bad guy under the sun and the notion that he is impossible to do right without the 1930s-40s time period is frankly nonsensical and betrays a lack of imagination. We had a gazillion different modern versions of Sherlock Holmes or Dracula and if those two can be brought over just fine, their combined expy should too. In fact, I'd be really interested to see what new tricks The Shadow would have up his sleeve when combined with modern time period and modern technology. I'd love to see him deceive IR visors and evade cell phone cameras.
NOOOOO!!! Not James Patterson, he sucks! It sounds like they're going to remove The Shadow from his own stories. They'll probably just make it all about Margo.
If they ever get around to a new film, they really do need a good antagonist. As cool as the Shadow is as a hero, him just fighting generic 1920s mobsters is not all that interesting.
a shadow resurgence would be a damned fine property so see on the shelves. observe the criminal, watch them plan and work vile deeds, then retribution swoops in with actions to fit the harm done it would also make for an epic game setting on many levels, multiple agents to manage/recruit, pulp episiode based mission-chains, investigations based on practical sleuthing. I mean ass-creeed/arkham-city/prototype/hitman already exists, now imagine that cityscape but with a far greater emphasis on stealth, ambush, story-investigation and enemies that can get away with their mis-deeds should you screw up too badly (make it more akin to an open world thief/hitman! with a pair of 1911s as your backup items). cyberpunk got people rediculously over-hyped, maffia was a similarly failed update, there's plenty of room at the table for a 30s setting done well.
If Patterson helms the books the pacing will be good, but he has one fatal flaw as a writer (as all writers do). His is simple, when it comes time for denounment, he has a terrible nack for botching the execution. Looking at his Maximum Ride series which started out good but by the end was a convuluted mess.
Anything updated to "pass muster in the modern climate" is woke garbage. Until and unless you -- the Master Agent of the Shadow -- give it a thumbs up, I will give it a hard pass.
I still have a bad feeling with James Patterson having his hands on the Shadow property. If anything, he'll probably make the Shadow a Batman knock off
As someone who's not familiar with Mr. Patterson's works, what makes you distrust him so?
It is so much worse than that. The book is bad. It's terrible. It's a teen-dystopian novel, using time-travel (cryofreeze) to justify why The Shadow from the 1930s is in the 2080s with his granddaughter
You just brightened up my day good sir. All I want is a Shadow video game with the art style of Blues and Bullets. It would be so glorious!
That would be interesting.
You should make more radio recreations, maybe some of the comic and pulps that never got the audio treatment in the first place. You make a decent Lamont, my dude.
I'm training to be a writer and I agree with having a morally absolutist Shadow. But I would make a meta message where the agents are the morally ambiguous characters and the Shadow teaches them how reality works. That's what I would do if I had the Shadow license. Keeping him as a mystery, focusing on the agents and making him an enigma, even for Margot Lane. I would represent the Shadow as justice itself, ethereal, absolute and blind. There would be character development but only with the agents. See how they grow to be more effective in their fight against crime as the Shadow mentors them.
And that's not hard to see. It has been done before, the best displays of this in my opinion were in the Chinese Disks and the Sinister Shadow
You should do more homages to the old radio show. I loved the one I listened to. The one with sargon was awesome. Everyone did an amazing job. Even the commercial breaks were awesome.
I loved that as well.
@CandyColouredClown THE SHADOW: The Immortal Murderer ( I think that's the one with Sargon ) and The Shadow: DANGER IN THE DARK. Both are on his Rageaholic channel, enjoy.
@CandyColouredClown No worries.
I just want the old pulps to come back in stock, I've barely been able to fill out my collection and they are already getting harder to find.
Just finished Hitler's Astrologer. I would love a story of the Shadow but before the October Revolution. He sees the rapid change of the country as an observer and as a narrator. He's basically trapped and fights against Lenin and his boys. It'd be a interesting locale for him as he doesn't know who to trust and he has to get out alive. Great news for the Shadow. Honestly I think you have done a lot for The Shadow and I thank you for introducing me. Walter would be proud. Godspeed.
I remember when I first got into British adventure comics I wrote off everything pre-2000AD as "stiff upper lip empire propaganda" and everything aimed at girls pre-Misty as "commands to obey their fathers". Then I grew up. I expect the Forbes writer is merely stuck at 18 years old and has never read a line of The Shadow, so just guessed what it is like.
I just hope we get films based on the pulps.
You ever play RDR2? There's this gang called the Nite Folk, who are basically Voodoo zombies. It reminded me instantly of Voodoo Master, and made me think how creepy and visually effective that entire character concept could be.
Recently started listening to the Shadowcasts and I can't stop, this stuff is like crack
Watching this now I feel bad, the Patterson book from what I have understood is terrible, they off him to replace him with a girl in the modern era. Very "modern" indeed.
All I want from these new books and potential movie is: don't be shit, don't be woke, don't be Batman with guns.
This is most excellent news! 6:50 Of course *rolls eyes* there's always a catch. I can't stand modern standards being applied to a story where it had different social norms, it removes the nuances and context. I agree, I'm also tired of moral ambiguity as well. Still I'm glad we are getting new stories and a possible new film. Just keep Zack Snyder away from it.
@Darkest Iron I like Zack Snyder, but he's not the right director to helm The Shadow.
You called it! Great news!
Dont ever stop the Shadowcast! Glad to hear all this good news!
So that's why Radio Spirits had to pull all their Shadow radio collections! That may also be why Grace Gibson in Australia hasn't released any new collections of their Shadow episodes. Let's hope someone has the brains to find some really good voice actors and bring the "lost" radio episodes back to life. If they do I hope their as good as the 2 you did, those are the best recreations I've come across!
They should do a Shadow vs. the Cult of Cthulu crossover. That would be so cool.
To those who are thinking of buying the James Patterson book for the name 'The Shadow,' don't.
The book he has published is an insult to both the Pulp and Radio version of the character. Patterson's version states in chapter 36 that he:
1. Never did the laugh
2. Never wore a black hat
3. Never had a red scarf
4. Never had that 'ridiculous' gun.
Stay away from it and just read everything else on the character. I would unironically read the Si Spurrier series over Patterson's verison
I would be interested in what an ideal modern Shadow would look like. None of the woke business but questions like what would be the modern day equivalent of the cobalt club? Would Burke be more similar to Marsland in that he would have to be deeply undercover? How would you send secret messages effectively? I’ve had a lot of fun thinking out that kind of stuff.
Your Razor VS. Comics videos are some of my favorite videos of yours, so this podcast has been a treat to listen to.
Big shadow fan! Just subbed. Has anyone else read the new Shadow book by Patterson and been completely disappointed? I didn't have high hopes to begin with. This isn't the material this character deserves, can't see a successful film franchise if this is what is offered up. So many missed opportunities with this character.
Just reviewed it:
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The Shadow as a property is tailor made for modern audiences.
A morally absolute avenger of the night, amassing a small army of agents who each work in a defined role, The Shadow fights mobsters, crime syndicates and supervillians.
Nothing about the character if done like the pulps would not work with a modern audience.
My fingers are crossed that this could, in years time due to a successful movie, result in a long overdue Shadow videogame
These are some of your best work and I never miss them. You get better and better.
I still think there should be a Batman the animated series style of The Shadow, but it would have to be Conde Nast themselves doing it since licensing it out from them would basically destroy any profit margin
Thank you for the good news regarding The Shadow and James Patterson. I'm going to remain positively hopeful for the time being. Personally, I'd like to see The Shadow remain in the 1930's, but as long as David Liss (worst Shadow writer ever) stays away, I'll be hoping for the best in any era.
Any new Shadow content is something to get excited for. Even if it is James Patterson. I'll withhold judgement till I read the first book
What could be an interesting direction with all the deconstructions going on, and generally failing, would be to base the Shadow as something more like a reconstruction. Let some of his principles be challenged, but have him be vindicated by the end.
I would much rather read Shadow stories written by Razorfist than by James Patterson. True story.
Yes it has fair a chance it's more bad than good but fingers crossed the levels woke is kept to a minimal and I guess we're gonna have to take the good with the bad.
I’m 18. Love Robert e Howard, and am also currently loving the shadow pulps online. You’re absolutely right. I’m honestly surprised how casual and modern, well, not too old the prose is. It’s very lovely to read. And I believe writing styles like this could encourage boys to read, as its on the decline.
"It was so dated"
I read a shadow pulp the other day and literally thought "this is more realistic than most crime shows you see today".
Quality is timeless. The reson these people say The Shadow is dated is because they're focused on "the current thing"
A note though: the black speech pattern is actually derived from the speech pattern of southern whites, who in turn got it from the British poor who brought it to America. So it did technically come from white people. It just wasn't a caricature put upon them by racists misrepresenting their speech pattern
That's a really great point good sir, this is one of my favorite channels! I'm curious to hear what you think is the best, definitive Shadow novel that you think needs to be adapted into a movie. I'm thinking one with an iconic Shadow villain, and all of the characters already established, but nothing confusing in the book that would require prior knowledge for new audiences. I know you said the Living Shadow deserves a movie, but are there any others you think could be a great reboot?
I would say that both The Dark Knight and Ironman would be the start of the current wave of superhero movies.
Thanks so much for making these, Razor. It has rekindled my love for reading
I genuinely want to give these new books a chance and so when the first one eventually comes out I will pick it up and give it a read I just hope that, it continues to retain what makes the shadow great, who he is and what he does.
Although I will say this I hope that this time around they don't make Margo a 'bag of holding' as u put it for any poltical views.
Just discovered this, as a shadow fan..subbed.
Was curious what your take on this news might be -- sounds like we're on the same wavelength: cautiously optimistic
I won’t believe until I see but I can dream. The Shadow deserves more movies and/or TV series
I look forward to the Patterson books.
I've been a Shadow fan for decades, thank you!
I’ll admit to having some skepticism about the idea of James Patterson tackling The Shadow. I don’t wanna be right in thinking he’ll fuck it up but I worry he’ll just make an okayish detective story and not a great Shadow story.
Love your thoughts on bigots.
This is neat. I was thinking about how they could do new shadow novels. Like how one man does new doc savage stories(including a crossover with the shadow.) and a movie could be cool. At first this was incredibly exciting, but from a completely logical standpoint. There’s a few points of concern. It’s unfortunately very likely the character won’t be taken seriously on his own merits, and will simply be to cash in on the superhero craze. But hey, one can hope. But only the shadow knows.
I think the most important thing for him to do is keep the new novels brief. No more than 200 pages for standard paperback format.
Edit: It's over 400 pages. Fuck.
I've been looking at The Shadow Sanctum website and wanted to purchase the 1st volume via paypal. I'm assuming I add postage and message the item I want along with my address? Just wanted confirmation. Enjoying the deep dive in old Americana
I would say instead of movies the should try to do a tv series of these pulps because the tv series can be famous even if the film genre is in decline
Fantastic news, Razor!
Is it weird that I'd like the theoretical film featuring The Shadow to be animated?
Like, it would be pretty awesome to have a Rated R animated adaptation of The Voodoo Master or The Red Menace.
Not looking forward to a “modern” reboot.
Thank u for sharing bro
Also...regardless the notion of settling new Shadow stories in the present-day, I guess I'd agree with you that it COULD work, thought the original Depression/WWII era would still be preferable...there are some nuances to a modern-day setting that should be kept in mind, however -- and I definitely DON'T mean any of this "woke-SJW" nonsense...instead, I refer to certain other exigencies of our times: specifically, the presence of better street lighting and high-tech surveillance and forensic technology (though I do think there are ways to deal with this). I think what could be interesting is the idea of the juxtaposition of today's attitudes with The Shadow's near-merciless M.O. -- and I don't mean that said M.O should be altered to make it more ("supposedly") palatable to current "values."...
As an aside, where the possible present-day setting is concerned (if this is, indeed, the approach Patterson's team will take), what would you say to this: in the new stories, The Shadow currently operating is, in fact, the SAME EXACT individual that was active in those "golden days" of the pulp period, who has inexplicably been preserved in his prime to the 21st century -- don't explain it, devise new agents and enemies with the understanding that those original supporting characters are long-gone, etc -- inject a touch of larger-than-life legendary status to the character by hinting that he's got a bit of the Tarzan's life-prolonging elixir at play...
Thoughts?...
Hate it about Sanctum, but I'm looking forward to seeing what Conde Nast can do.
Do you have anything special planned for the 90th anniversary of the 1st radio appearance at the end of the month?
What would you say to a "Son of Shadow"? Say, one in the 70s where an aging Lamont picks the progenitor of his crepuscular persona to battle the Mafia or F.A.L.N.?
I will be honest. The fact that someone as famous/popular as James Patterson showing interest in the shadow is intriguing. Partially gives hope, but not much. I honestly haven’t read James Patterson myself. I’m sure he has some talent, but not everything’s that’s popular is good, few are.
I’d absolutely adore if they kept all the current social ‘incorrectness’ of the stories. I greatly appreciate your personal story of your Chinese friend’s mother. It’s not that I support racism or anything of the sort, but it’s an excellent opportunity to remind people of how we got to where we are in modern story telling, especially in this sub-genre of crime fiction. Maybe we as a society aren’t ready for that in mass fiction. Maybe corporate media isn’t ready to admit that ‘dated’ material isn’t bad material, maybe they’re not ready to bet time and money on it either. Maybe no one at Condé Nast has actually read all the books. I mean, I only know of a handful of people who have. Your reference to Jericho Druke is one they probably don’t know anything about the character.
I digress
I’m afraid all we will get is a set of books and a short run tv series with similar tones to the dark knight trilogy.
And I for one would be mortified if that was the case.
I just hope that a new Shadow film pulls through and doesn't linger in development hell like the proposed Raimi film. And that Dynamite publishes a new Shadow ongoing with some consistency and not just have rotating creative teams. When I first read the first 6 issues of The Shadow by Garth Ennis, I thought it wasn't perfect, but a good opener. Then it turned out those were the ONLY issues Ennis was gonna write because honestly, a Shadow series by Garth Ennis that'd last 60 or so issues would've been a match made in Heaven for me. Here's hoping for a new Dynamite Shadow comic with consistency along with the books and possible movie.
Also congrats on your first season. This is the first episode of Shadowcast I've listened to and I love it so far. Keep up the good work! 😊
Dynamite doesn't have the Shadow license anymore. Seems like they're about to give the license to someone else.
Really? When did this happen?
@@philiprearich3480 The same time they pulled the license for the Sanctum Books pulp reprints.
@@TheShadowcast Thanks for the info. I hope whoever gets the comic license next does it well 😊
Just ordered the first sanctum volume, a bit pricey but I really want to dive into this stuff
@@slamdanwhich3990 got lucky on amazon
Quit getting me hooked on things, especially those sanctum books because some are asking well beyond reasonable prices.
As for time periods, I wouldn't mind a more contemporary setting, just to see how the Shadow fares in the tech age. New crimes, new problems, and a morally certain hero in an impossibly polarized population. Provided they don't give it to someone that would make it one sided cause, I'd want to see in the same story, him bring down some corrupt businessman, then condemn a mass of activists for demanding the toils of others.
I’ll have to check out the dark valley. You should make a video about modern westerns maybe. Or maybe a tumblr post. Rip ennio morricone.
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I'll bet even money Patterson will write a modern Shadow. Ian Fleming Publications trtied the same thing in 2010 with Carte Blanche by Jeffery Deaver, and that didn't work out too well. Aside from that "Shadow Now" series there hasn't been a decent modern version...so it's a catch 22 for sure. While I'm interested, Im going to be cautious. Carte Blanche pretty much was Bond's first assignment with some decent Intelligence lingo, if Patterson IS going to reboot then hopefully he'll do it right.
I guess Raymond Benson isn't prolific enough. He did write a novel about a superhero set in the fifties, and his James Bond books were decent enough. If anyone should be writing for The Shadow, it's Benson.
Here's hoping it will be a non-revisionist work for once in the modern day.
I'm both hyped up for and dreading this it could be a bunch of new awesome shadow stories (please this please) or.... trash like the shadow making a group of "not antifa" into his agents to fight a cabal of red hat wearing fascist... Oh god now I'm picturing The Red Envoy as a tuxedo mask like character who shows up to help the shadow time to time
I m more of period but like you say if done right modern setting could work.
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I... am not familiar with James Patterson at all, but he seems prolific and well-known, so I'll keep some cautious optimism.
Those remarks are definitely from the Forbes hack who hasn't read a book in his life that wasn't approved by the Groupthink. I read the announcement on a different site and it had none of that nonsense.
On bringing The Shadow to the modern age, as in having him operate in the 21st century - I don't think that's necessarily what they meant by saying that they'll "bring him to modern audiences" as much as it was about making said audience familiar with the character at all. There are no definite statements either way, which didn't stop The Shadow Knows FB group from having a complete meltdown at the notion. I myself though don't see any problem with it. Good characters, when brought over properly, stay good and relevant in any era. I don't know if it's just being afraid of them messing it up with the addition of extra moving parts or being burnt by The Shadow Now, a lackluster Dynamite comic tackling the idea, but, well, my thoughts were the same as yours on this one - World's Greatest Ersatz feels just fine in the modern era and the only difference between him and our Master of Darkness is that the former consistently stayed in print over the course of all these decades. I love seeing The Shadow gun down mobsters as much as the next guy, but he battled every kind of bad guy under the sun and the notion that he is impossible to do right without the 1930s-40s time period is frankly nonsensical and betrays a lack of imagination. We had a gazillion different modern versions of Sherlock Holmes or Dracula and if those two can be brought over just fine, their combined expy should too. In fact, I'd be really interested to see what new tricks The Shadow would have up his sleeve when combined with modern time period and modern technology. I'd love to see him deceive IR visors and evade cell phone cameras.
'Stilted and formulaic format of the pulps'
I defy anyone to read Lingo or The Hydra and tell me those are 'stilted and formulaic'
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NOOOOO!!! Not James Patterson, he sucks! It sounds like they're going to remove The Shadow from his own stories. They'll probably just make it all about Margo.
If they ever get around to a new film, they really do need a good antagonist. As cool as the Shadow is as a hero, him just fighting generic 1920s mobsters is not all that interesting.
The Voodoo Master would be a good choice for a villain
a shadow resurgence would be a damned fine property so see on the shelves.
observe the criminal, watch them plan and work vile deeds, then retribution swoops in with actions to fit the harm done
it would also make for an epic game setting on many levels, multiple agents to manage/recruit, pulp episiode based mission-chains, investigations based on practical sleuthing.
I mean ass-creeed/arkham-city/prototype/hitman already exists, now imagine that cityscape but with a far greater emphasis on stealth, ambush, story-investigation and enemies that can get away with their mis-deeds should you screw up too badly (make it more akin to an open world thief/hitman! with a pair of 1911s as your backup items).
cyberpunk got people rediculously over-hyped, maffia was a similarly failed update, there's plenty of room at the table for a 30s setting done well.
I just don't trust the current generation of creators.
8:13 Perhaps POOPSMITH would be a more apt title.
Definitely not eagle 43 sent me
If Patterson helms the books the pacing will be good, but he has one fatal flaw as a writer (as all writers do). His is simple, when it comes time for denounment, he has a terrible nack for botching the execution. Looking at his Maximum Ride series which started out good but by the end was a convuluted mess.
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Anything updated to "pass muster in the modern climate" is woke garbage. Until and unless you -- the Master Agent of the Shadow -- give it a thumbs up, I will give it a hard pass.