1810 - Part 1 - Danish Flint Knapping (Senonian Flint)
ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 เม.ย. 2024
- Flintknapping. Knapping rocks. Making stone tools. Arrowhead. Lithic reduction.
Explaining Platforms and Angles with Words
Part 1
• 477 - Flintknapping Lo...
Part 2
• 478 - Flintknapping Lo...
Part 3
• 479 - Flintknapping Lo...
Fog Knapping With Hopper
/ @historicflintknapping...
Aluminum sizes and source
www.ebay.com/itm/333413861610
www.ebay.com/itm/333393532365
Large Rectangular Abrader:
flintknappingsupplies.com/pro...
I have two other channels and a Patreon Account
Allergic Hobbit: / @allergichobbit3494
PAB Philosophy: / @pabphilosophy
Patreon:
www.patreon.com/jackcrafty?fa...
Front View of My Knapping Style:
• 589 - Flintknapping An...
Abo Technique (Natural Materials Only) My Horizontal Punch Style of Knapping:
• 407 - Abo Flintknappin...
Swiping or Scraping with hard Hammer:
• Flintknapping Hardhamm...
WHAT IS HIGH GRADE STONE?
Anything you can run a 1/2" or more flake with a pressure flaker.
HEAT TREATING:
Heat treat a few FLAKES of everything you got except HIGH GRADE Raw Stone, Obsidian, Dacite, Basalt, Hornstone, Sonora, Fort Payne, or Rhyolite. Start with flakes and spalls less than 1" thick for 200°F for 24 hours to dry it out. Then raise the temp to 275°F and hold for 4 hours. Let cool down for 12 hours. Chip and compare. If no difference, put back I at 200°F for 1/2 hour, then raise to 275 for 1/2 hour, then raise to 325 for 4 hours.
Let cool down for 12 hours. Chip and compare. If no difference, put back in at 200°F for 1/2 hour, then raise to 275 for 1/2 hour, then raise to 325 for 1/2 hour, the raise to 375 for 4 hours.
Repeat with temp going up 50°F until you reach 600°F or nice chippable stone. Whichever comes first. If no good result, or things blow up, let us know. - แนวปฏิบัติและการใช้ชีวิต
KNAP-IN LIST BY STATE
Updated February 20, 2024
Alabama
Moundville Alabama Knap-in
Moundville Archaeological Park
634 Mound State Parkway
Moundville, AL 35474
205-371-8732
March 1-2, 2024
Brown Bear Knap-in and Artifact Show
Brown Bear Canoe and Kayak Rentals LLC
107 Michael Dr
Huntsville, AL 35811
256-885-6546
256-457-4110
October 20-22, 2023
TBA 2024
Arkansas
Mammoth Spring State Park Flint Knapping Exhibition
17 US-63
Mammoth Spring, AR 72554
870-625-7364 (Park)
April 6-7, 2024
Ouachita Renegade Ranch Knap-in
3700 Hwy 88 East
Mena, AR 71953
479-216-0155
September 8-10, 2023
TBA 2024
Water Creek Knap-in
Hwy 14
Yellville, AR 72687
870-404-6046
870-656-2022
May 2-5, 2024
October, 2024
Caddo Ridge Knap-in
DeGray Lake State Park
2027 State Park Entrance Rd
Bismark, AR 71929
501-446-0358
501-865-5850 (Park)
March 21-24, 2024
Florida
Silver River Knap-in and Prehistoric Arts Festival
Silver River Museum and Environmental Education Center
Silver Springs State Park
Ocala, FL 34470
352-236-5401
TBA 2025
Stone Age and Primitive Arts Fesival
Letchworth-Love Mounds State Park
4500 Sunray Rd South
Tallahassee, FL 32309
850-766-9032
850-487-7989 (Park)
February 10-11, 2024
Georgia
Flint River Knap-in
Whigham Community Club
1262 Old Hwy 84
Whigham, GA 39897
229-220-1022
February 24-25, 2024
The Real Squeal Artifact Show and Primitive Arts Show (Lyons Knap-in)
Partin Park
168 Miot St
Lyons, GA 30436
478-763-4994
478-206-2778 (Text only)
October 14, 2023
TBA 2024
Iowa
Skunk River Knap-in
Henry County Conservation Department
South-Shore Campground
Oakland Mills Park
Intersection of 255th St & Franklin Ave
Mt. Pleasant, IA 52641
309-781-3166
319-986-5067 (Campground)
September 5-7, 2024
Illinois
Devil's Hole Knap-in
Pleasant Ridge Park
401 Pleasant Hills Rd
Fairview Heights, IL 62208
618-397-1377
May 30-June 2, 2024
Evergreen Lake Knap-in
Comlara Park
13001 Recreation Area Dr
Hudson, IL 61748
309-265-8053
309-660-7402
309-338-6933
July 20-23, 2023
TBA 2024
Kampsville Knap-in
McCully Heritage Project
592 Crawford Creek Rd
Kampsville, IL 62053
618-653-4687
October 12, 2024
Indiana
Southern Indiana Primitive Arts Fest and Knap-in
Leavenworth Roadside Park
38°11'44"N 86°20'8"W
Leavenworth, IN 47137
June 16-17, 2023
TBA 2024
Kansas
Neosho River Knap-in
Elmore Park
North 3rd St.
Chetopa, KS 67336
620-429-5584
May 31-June 1, 2024
Dark River Artifacts Show
Riverfront Community Center
123 S. Esplanade
Leavenworth, KS 66048
913-651-2132
April 6, 2024
Neshota Knap-in
Old Cowtown Museum
1865 Museum Blvd
Wichita, KS 67203
316-219-1871
June 8-11, 2023
TBA 2024
Kentucky
Old Mulkey Knap-in and Artifact Show
Old Mulkey Meetinghouse State Historic Site
38 Old Mulkey Park Rd
Tompkinsville, KY 42167
270-487-8481
May 20, 2023
TBA 2024
Red River Gorge Knap-in
Gladie Visitor Center
Red River Gorge
3451 Sky Bridge Rd
Stanton, KY 40380
606-663-8100 (Visitor Center)
September 17, 2023
TBA 2024
Louisiana
Niblett Bluff Knap-in
Niblett Bluff Park
3409 Niblett Bluff Rd
Vinton, LA 70668
337-528-2496
April, 2024
October, 2024
Maryland
Willow Grove Primitive Technology Weekend
Cromwell Valley Park Office
2002 Cromwell Bridge Rd
Parkville, MD 21234
410-887-2503
October 14-15, 2023
TBA 2024
Michigan
The Robert Love Memorial Knap-in
Central Michigan Sportsman's Club
4391 E. Stanton Rd
Stanton, MI
April 20-21, 2024
Michigan Flintknappers Summer Knap-in
Ludington State Park, Warming Hut
Ludington, MI
wrjk@michiganflintknappers.com
July 27-28, 2024
Michigan Flintknappers Fall Knap-in
(Look for signs at Leenanau Casino)
Peshawbestown, MI 49682
Email: phlint1@comcast.net
Fall TBA 2024
Minnesota
The Hairy Mosquito Trading Company
Primitive Arts Fest and Knap-in
21287 US Highway 169
Milaca, MN 56353
July 13-14, 2024
Missouri
Overton Osage Knap-in
MRVSEA Campground
Across from: 24249 Hwy 179
Booneville, MO 65233
660-621-1293 (Campground)
TBA 2024
Bois D'Arc Primitive Skills Gathering and Knap-in
Hulston Mill Historical Park
County Road 92
Greenfield, MO 65661
417-840-1615
417-234-0666
September 25-28, 2024
MOJAM
United Bowhunters of Missouri Festival
Oasis Hotel and Convention Center
2546 N. Glenstone Ave
Springfield, MO 65803
636-290-5213
417-866-5253 (Convention Center)
February 10-12, 2023
TBA 2024
MOJAM
Indian Foothills Park
1505 E. Vest St
Marshall, MO 65340
314-304-7076
660-815-0504
July 18-20, 2024
Annual Knights Arrow Gathering
755 N. Farm Road 51
Bois D'Arc, MO 65612
417-258-0073
kloekeetah13@gmail.com
TBA 2024
2nd Annual SAC River Knap-in
Hulston Mill Historical Park
County Road 92
Greenfield, MO 65661
417-637-0281
May 9-12, 2024
North Carolina
Schiele Museum Knap-in
1500 E. Garrison Blvd
Gastonia, NC 28054
704-866-6900
August 4-6, 2023
TBA 2024
New York
Letchworth Knap-in
Letchworth State Park
Castile, NY 14427
585-493-3600
585-237-3303
January 27, 2024 (Convention Center)
April 20, 2024 (Convention Center)
August 23, 2024 (Highbanks Recreation Area)
November 9, 2024 (Convention Center)
Ohio
Flint Ridge Knap-in
Coshocton County Fairgrounds
724 S. 7th St
Coshocton, OH 43812
330-473-7041
740-501-8483
May 24-26, 2024 (Spring)
August 30-September 1, 2024 (Fall)
World Atlatl Association Lithic Society Knap-in
Coshocton Fairgrounds
707 Kenilworth Dr
Coshocton, OH 43812
740-331-4351
740-698-6553
September 1-3, 2023
TBA 2024
Hocking Hills Knap-in
Hocking Hills State Park
20160 State Route 664 South
Logan, OH 43138
hockinghillsstatepark.com
740-385-6841
February 18, 2024
Hocking Hills Knap-in
Amvet Post 1776
649 Radio Ln
Logan, OH 43138
740-279-9995 (Vendors)
October 21-23, 2023
TBA 2024
Oklahoma
OJAM
Oklahoma Selbow Society Jamboree
Lake Carl Blackwell
11000 Oklahoma Hwy 51 West
Stillwater, OK 74074
405-747-7776
580-370-0656
March 21-24, 2024
Oregon
Glass Buttes Knap-in
BLM Land
Directions on Glass Buttes Knap-in Website
Email: rockylmale@yahoo.com
March 23-31, 2024
Pennsylvania
Bald Eagle Knap-in
Camp Anderson
1057 Vanscoyoc Hollow Rd
Tyrone, PA 16686
814-381-7172
717-426-3611
June 22-25, 2023
TBA 2024
Tennessee
North Central TN Primitive Arts Gathering and Knap-in
(In conjunction with Bernard Meyers Memorial Shoot)
1695 Old Sylvia Rd
Dickson, TN 37055
September 21, 2024
Twin Oaks Primitive Arts Gathering and Knap-in
Twin Oaks Bowhunters
1079 Ashley Rd
Chapmansboro, TN 37035
931-980-9116
931-472-8627
September 15-27, 2023
TBA 2024
Tennessee Classic Knap-in
Twin Oaks Bowhunters
1079 Ashley Rd
Chapmansboro, TN 37035
615-456-5961
931-362-3717
May 3-5, 2024
Tennessee River Rendezvous
215 Ashley Rd (Hwy 69)
Saltillo, TN 38370
April 12-13, 2024
Eagleville Knap-in/ Duck River Knap-in
TN Valley Pioneer Power Assoc. Grounds
747 Chapel Hill Rd
Eagleville, TN 37060
615-310-1854
615-504-1851
July 8-10, 2023
TBA 2024
Old Stone Fort State Archaeological Park Knap-in and Archaeoskills
732 Stone Fort Dr
Manchester, TN 37355
931-247-4673
October 6-7, 2023
TBA 2024
Fort Watauga Fall Knap-in
Sycamore Shoals State Historical Park
1651 W. Elk Ave
Elizabethton, TN 37643
888-867-2757
May 11, 2024 (Spring)
TBA (Fall 2024)
Texas
Heart of Texas Knap-in
Richard's Park Pavillion
Brady, TX 76825
512-789-4452
210-219-4858
May 2-5, 2024 (Spring)
TBA (Fall 2024)
Wisconsin
Copper Pound and Knap-in
Alma Center Campground (KOA)
Hixton/ Alma Center
N9657 State Road 95
Alma Center, WI 54611
715-964-2508 (Reservations)
262-501-8648 (Questions)
October 11, 2024
Four Lakes Knap-in
Town of Dunn Tornado Shelter
699 Norman Dr
Stoughton, WI 53589
608-438-8184
June 10, 2023
TBA 2024
Virginia
Thunder Ridge Fall Knap-in
Hopper Creek Group Campground
Natural Bridge Station, VA 24579
October 6-10, 2023
TBA 2024
West Virginia
Annual Black Rock Knap-in
Black Rock Knap-in and Craft Show
110 Highschool Dr
Mt. Hope, WV 25880
May 11-14, 2023
TBA 2024
WOW!! You are an absolute MASTER!!! You're definitely my new favorite channel !
Thanks and welcome
Oh year, this is the typical flint in north europe around the Baltic sea. Its laying here a lot of on the ground and in the woods.
What I missed when I was in the UK... Well, I was trying back then but just without any information...
There’s a “chalk” mountain near my home. I found a piece of flint in a riverbed downstream from the mountain. Flint is very rare around my home.
Yes for sure. There are so many gays there as well.
If its so available then how come it is impossible to get some sent to US
Really cool video...refreshing to see you think on your feet(while off your feet...lol)this one put you out of your comfort zone which switched on all that evolutionary stuff to put your body and mind more in the zone!😊
Such sharpness I've never touched until jasper. It makes a scalpel look like a butter knife. I was cut by one of those flakes on an archiological dig. The archeologist said the flakes were from around 3000 years ago! Still micron sharp. I Bled pretty bad.
Jack, ypu made that rock jump through a flaming hoop. Amazing. Enjoyed watching this video.
Thank you. 😁
Cool vid, really nice flint. Reminds me of high quality dark Texas ,like you said. Really nice job and explanation.👍
Ohh! Baltic flint - my Homeland flint! 👍
Very interesting analysis of the material. Thank you.
It certainly responds well to a strong ridge and good support, you can make some really game changing flakes. Using this I've been trying to thin bifaces aggressively and early to avoid the problems with termination, but I still need a lot more experience.
Looking forward to part 2.
Concrete finishers understand the phrase chatter marks
Ive knapped something sumular at tommy heflins in Portales NM. Was very nice glossy stuff. I seen you moved up north we did to
Nice work sir and thanks for sharing your knowledge.
Dacite cousin "flintsite" lol does however remind me of dacite
Great looking rock,Looks like good hard flint for tools and points.
Yes
Yes they have lots
There's a whole lot of flint over here, and it was a huge export in the Neolithic age. No need to worry too much about divulging locations because it's literally everywhere :)
Finding such beautiful pieces without huge inclusions takes searching though.
Amber color flint in Denmark has usually taken color from the surroundings, and is grey/black inside. Helgoland has a famous red flint
I see.
The dull stuff in the middle is a big fat tough spot. That's why it's doing the weirdness. It's like ninja concrete, it takes pretty thick flakes to push through the stuff if you're striking on the glassy material. I try to avoid the middle when knapping senonian.
Hmmm
@@KnapperJackCrafty The hard spots in this flint seem to make the flakes want to deflect around instead of just stepping. Sometimes there's small concrete pockets in the middle of the rebellious lumps, but you only find out once you cut through or snap the piece. It took me a lot of swearing to figure out the problem
Watched DC Waldorf make a Danish dagger from this stuff. Gads, was that involved. He got almost done when on his last strike it folded because of a hidden crack. He rediscovered how this technology was accomplished. Sweet.
He also has a vid of making axes.
I've watched one of those vids also.
Wes Studi, "if you can think about it logically"....this inference is that they can't think, or have the capacity on the outset to think logically. 😂😂😂😂
Yupper
Such logic.
Pat is that just mild steel you used to spark that flint? Also is that one of Danny’s boppers? If so how you like it?
This particular steel for creating sparks was hand forged from high carbon steel, so it's not mild steel. I received it as a gift so I don't know the exact carbon content. And yes, I used one of Danny's boppers, and I like it. The handle is very light, with the weight very much in the tip, which is great.
Good work Jack looks like a nice piece of rock
Yup. Thanks
Must be nice having access to such rock.
It's nice having generous subscribers.
Smoking is good! I limit myself to just a couple of cigars per day. I just don’t smoke while I’m knapping. I end up wasting a cigar. Not to many points that I find out in the wild are not as thin as the ones we knap. And once again smoking is good.
Smoking is good for my mental health. I'm not so sure when it comes to my physical health. I'm taking a break for a while.
That bears an uncanny resemblance to Georgetown...interesting
That bears an uncanny resemblance to Georgetown...interesting. and i said that before I got very far
I've knapped that stuff, it's rarely ever as good inside as it seems near the cortex.
I see
The unicorn rocks are the ones that are thin enough for the good material from each side to meet up in the middle, while still being large enough to be fun. This one was pretty close. Of course if you don't mind knapping small stuff there is a fair amount of really thin stuff of extremely high grade. Like 10 x 5 x 1 centimeter rocks.
I would call that a 6.5 out of 10 flint, like most things in life finding perfection is not easy, and not necessary to survive:)) there is better flint and worse flint here in Denmark, most rock have a little something installed just to piss you off:)) and the piece you have will snap if you a too stubborn with it in a thin state. Always enjoy watching, Thanks!
I think in the south of europe we would call that a 9 out of 10 flint. For example, here in Spain finding tabular pieces with that level of homogeneity an quality is currently impossible. How relative things are hahahaha
Interesting!
Rock Sellers
Updated April 12, 2024
Robert Ratliff
Apocalithics
Texas Heat Treats, Various Stone and Art
facebook.com/Apocalithics?mibextid=ZbWKwL
Luke Hammack
Obsidian, High Grade Dacite
facebook.com/luke.hammack.37?mibextid=ZbWKwL
Bar Mountain Lithics
Eric Stuart
facebook.com/profile.php?id=61550208176001&mibextid=ZbWKwL
Neolithics
Obsidian, Various stone
neolithicskeokuk@gmail.com
Craig Ratzat-Flintknapper
68731 East 70 Rd, Quapaw, OK 74363
918-542-4749
(between 8 a.m. and 8 p.m. CST)
facebook.com/profile.php?id=100083062760680&mibextid=ZbWKwL
Danny Collins Lithics and Leather
Various rocks, indirect sticks
580-236-9304
flintknappingtraditions.com
Chris' Rocks
Chris Stricklett
Various Stones and Obsidian
facebook.com/chris.stricklett.5?mibextid=ZbWKwL
Pearl Yoder
Heat Treated Coral
facebook.com/pearl.yoder?mibextid=ZbWKwL
Brandon Blackmon
Tallahata Quartzite
facebook.com/brandon.blackmon.940?mibextid=ZbWKwL
Jeff Head
Georgia Chert and Jasper
facebook.com/profile.php?id=100077372270590&mibextid=ZbWKwL
Brad Moore
Horse Creek, Hornstone, Buffalo River
facebook.com/outpostaxidermy?mibextid=ZbWKwL
Curtis Smith
Texas chert, Various stone
m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100005984145744&groupid=294140764699326&eav=Afa5QGrjr_s_cRNXqNd49zqjAf33X2QPyVvZrcUtU4bEY4wyjqyPqEWbPCrUhldU9YM&ref=m_notif¬if_t=group_activity&paipv=0
Brian (Rock Wash)
Texas chert
www.etsy.com/shop/RockWash
www.ebay.com/usr/centralt0
pretty much the entire east coast from denmark to northern france and then over to southern england is made of flint and chalk , there is plenty plenty , perhaps not all this good but there is so much it could supply modern knapping for another few thousand years if exploited . in england where they quarry limestone and chalk/clay they have spoil heap mountains of flint the size of multiple story buildings as a quarry bi product . they sell some as building stone usually by the ton bag for a cheap price . the issues arise with local laws in different nations . for example in england it is technically illegal to remove stones from the sea shore which is usually owned by the crown estate but on private property flint may be gathered from the surface or dug from the ground . in denmark i am not sure but i know they are very strict with most things . there is probably a reason why there isnt more of this rock on the market
I think the main reason is the same reason you don't find boppers made and sold in Europe: there isn't a flintknapping market. Quality flint can be found in a large expanse from France to the Baltic sea, and there's plenty of quarries extracting it and treating it as waste.
@@NarheimArmoury there is a growing uk and european market but nowhere near the USA market value . if these quarry owners got wise they could make a nice sideline in flint exporting it and serving the small but growing amount of knappers in the region . most prolific UK knappers live and operate near easily gathered surface flint (that they are loath to part with for any price) as the majority of eastern and southern england is covered in it . its us northern scottish knappers who have to beg , borrow and trade with english knappers for stone , or travel . sadly the shipping costs make buying exotic rock very expensive .
Beautiful Stuff. Never had any of it. I prolly couldnt do it justice. Oh and i heard you say in one video that you like Heavy Metal music. What bands and era of metal do you favor the most? Ive played guitar since I was 12. I started playing in church then moved onto other genre's. I thoroughly enjoy playing Metal and Bluegrass. The two couldnt be farther apart from eachother. Sold my electric guitar and Amp Stack cause mom is sick and i play loud so ill get another setup one day later. But she enjoys listening to me play Bluegrass, Country and Gospel music. I wish I could Knapp as good as you and Play guitar like Tony Rice 😂 id be a master at both then.
As for the Heavy Metal stuff, Black Sabbath is one of my favorites, so I'll listen to anything that sounds like that. But I listen to AC/DC, ZZTop, Motley Crew, Heart, Led Zeplin, Pink Floyd, and all the way up to more recent bands like Tool, Deftones, Royal Blood, Korn, etc. If I'm listening to music when other people are around, I'll switch to "southern fried rock" like Lynyrd Skynyrd, CCR, and such.
@@KnapperJackCrafty I knew we are of similar minds on many subjects. Checkout Chevelle, Slipknot, Incubus, Stone Sour, 3 Days Grace, Days of the New, Tantric, Seether. You'll enjoy all those. Incubus is prolly my favorite band.
Shor enough that color is olive. That being a blend of green and brown can confuse.
Good. I'm not that blind. 😊
Those nodules look a lot like some mozarkite from Missouri.
Hmmm
what is your abrader made of?
It's a peice of a large, course grinding wheel.
this stuff is great i had sombody send me some too. the only problem with it is we cant get it here. I had some sent to me from a english distro. but it cost an arm and a leg. I got 100lbs for 340$ and 300 shipping. that is like 7 bucks a pound round about. i wish i could get it cheaper. The longest blade i ever made was with this stuff.
Good info there. Thank you!
Looks like Georgetown
It's like a cross between Georgetown and Amoeba chert.
Items Related To Flintknapping/ Hunting
Updated April 12, 2024
Sean Dalgetty
Hand Pads, Gaiters
Tundra Leather
sean@tundraleather.ca
Danny Collins Lithics and Leather
Leg pads, hand pads flintknappingtraditions.com
Ted Snider
Notch-o-matic
theolithic71@gmail.com
th-cam.com/video/3BHf-o97DYw/w-d-xo.htmlsi=UADpj3pP4g9qiCVV
Old Friends Taxidermy
2478 Fairview School Rd
San Angelo, TX 76904
Flint Knapping Supplies
flintknappingsupplies.com/
UHMW Black Plastic Mallet
Zoro Select 1Yvk7 Black Uhmw-Pe Rod Stock 3 Ft. L, 1-1/4" Dia.
www.ebay.com/itm/333994183040
Tony Soars fluting jigs 2018
th-cam.com/video/8DKg4Kybris/w-d-xo.htmlsi=oJcdq_nLxWJC2HyR
1-1/4" diameter UHMW plastic.
www.ebay.com/itm/224578394164?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=cHfvOieKSYm&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=1q_3LDvnSFK&var=524145172576&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
UHMW Black Plastic Mallet
Zoro Select 1Yvk7 Black Uhmw-Pe Rod Stock 3 Ft. L, 1-1/4" Dia.
www.ebay.com/itm/333994183040
6061 Aluminum Round Bar, 5/8" Round, 10" long, Lathe, Solid, T6511
www.ebay.com/itm/334171821048
6061 Aluminum Round Bar, 1/2" Round, 12" long, Lathe, Solid, T6511
www.ebay.com/itm/333393532365
6061 Aluminum Round Bar, 1-1/2" Round, 11" long, Lathe, Solid, T6511
www.ebay.com/itm/333413861610
1-1/2" x 12" long UHMW plastic rod, white
www.ebay.com/itm/125109196934?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=DCyz93qFQV-&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=1q_3LDvnSFK&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
Needle File Set
www.harborfreight.com/12-piece-precision-needle-file-set-4614.html
Flint Michigan kek
What does this mean?
Talks way to much just get on with it
Looks like someone doesn't know how to use the sliding red dot at the bottom of the screen to advance the video and skip the chit-chat.
15:58 map of the USA is on that rock
Yes, very similar