@@birthmoviesdeath what's the hold up? He says he hopes MARVEL will complete it... I'd think they would if he would write it and Buckingham would draw it. Why wouldn't they publish it?
@@artcohen2254 As far as I remember they ended up having some unforeseen legal issues that slowed things down, and I think Buckingham decided to redo bunch of old pages to make the continuation more smooth.
@@stefanmrkonjic9279 The Marvelman hardcover collections have NOT sold well. The initial highorders declined very quickly. and they've been a sales bomb for Marvel. They could not get rid of the reprints of the original B&W Marvelman comics so they stopped that series cold. As for the 1980s/1990s material, it, too, has NOT sold well, either. I've seen Marvelman volumes (hardcovers) pop up at Ollie's which is a discount chain that sells the things (books, toys, videos, whatever-you-name-it) that DIDN'T sell anywhere else including many of the last 3 years of Star Wars toys! When something ends up at Ollie's that's an indication that they overproduced that item and it just wasn't selling. This past year, they dumped over a quarter-million graphic novels --hardcovers and trade paperbacks-- into Ollie's because the distributor could NOT unload these on comic shops. They just were not selling these books and the bookstore chains left (B&N, Books A Million, Half-Price Books) didn't want these graphic novels, either. There is a graphic novel glut and guess what? Marvel and DC STILL haven't figured that out yet! Manga is doing okay but they can't get rid of most supehero books. There weren't a lot of people who want to buy $100+ omnibus editions of MORE POPULAR characters but there were even fewer people who wanted to spend $25-$40 per book on a British character that has only a cult audience (very small) appeal in the US. I frankly think they're years late to the game where Marvelman is concerned. Many of those fans from the 1990s have moved onto other things and have left the comic book hobby. There were never huge print runs on the Miracleman comics to begin with. It had a limited audience and was never the most popular book. I'm not knocking it but don't equate "critical darling" with sales success or literary critics even understanding what most buyers think about comics. There's always been a huge gulf between the critics in most industries and the consumers who actually buy things.
@@AvengerII Archie Goodwin had a similar story to tell with his and Walt Simonson's Manhunter feature in Detective Comics. After mentioning how taking a risk like that would make you a hero or not matter because sales were already bad, he wrote: "To forestall any possible suspense...I didn't become a hero. But there was, as they say in show biz, critical success." The same would seem to apply here.
@@johnathonhaney8291 It's a shame for people who are fans of this character but Marvelman just hasn't sold that many books since Marvel brought the character back onto the market. I think they waited too long to bring him back. Most of the fans that liked the character storylines in the Miracleman days are gone I'm fairly sure. The question is whether Moore and Gaiman are big sellers, or are they niche and sell well for certain titles. That seems to be the case for Grant Morrison... His original works don't sell but anytime he's on Batman or Superman, that's a different story. Right now, the publishers need to sell more quality-level books and stop playing games like they are now but I think it's too late for the Direct Market. Dumping a bunch of books at Ollie's and publishing anything in trades in vain hope that those books will sell anywhere is not working for them.
I cornered Alan Moore (when I was a kid) at a comic mart in Glasgow and gushed about Marvelman; he was this towering hippie and was mega nice to me but corrected me cos I described 'Marveldog' as 'Superdog' ...in my youthful enthusiasm.
I still remember how the story blew me away back in the day. And still does. I'm just waiting for the time when I can share the book with my kid in a few years...
First time I saw him was in Warrior magazine in the early 80's. I would have been about 16, kept me buying comics a couple more years before I traded comics for boozing at the pub and chasing girls. Two divorces later I sometimes wish I stayed with comics. I had nearly 2000 Marvel, DC and Indie comics. I sold the lot for $1200 back in 1984. Would have been worth a fortune today. I had all the Key Daredevil and X-Men issues and a ton of first issues going back to the late 60's. Makes me very sad.
It always seems like a little bit of a miracle when a good story that was cut off before its time is allowed to finally reclaim its destiny. It's one of those reversals which almost justifies the initial tragedy. Provided it's done correctly! Though even then, there's that palpable sense of gratitude upon completion. It becomes greater, in a sense, for having come back from its grey area to finish its work!
After a baziollion blend unimaginatve Marvel Movies I feel sad and empty. There is something I can't remember. I can't remember the words that tranformed me into a hero. I wish there would be a work of art, that would bring back the glory of Miracleman/Marvel Man. Something that is as intellectual powerfull, as emotional challenging as anything that I'm seeing on the stage or reading in books in books. ...
This was great, right up to the part where Marvel bought the rights to the character. Unfortunately the current state of Marvel is more concerned with pushing an agenda as opposed to just telling a good story.
Interesting how Alan Moore was credited with taking comic themes seriously. It reminds me of childhood in the sixties and how I hated Batman the T.V. series because of how so much it wasn't taking its themes seriously. Never understood why so many of my friends like it. It was silly although I have to admit, later on when I was a young adult, that there was a lot of humor there that I didn't see as a kid.
That cheery background music isn't what I would attribute to the Miracleman series. People who are gonna pick up the comic blind are sure in for a surprise.
Many things about Moore these days is a shame. Like Frank Miller, old age has not been kind to him nor his talent. Neonomicon in particular has a hatefulness at its core which all but spits at humans with what looks like a hefty side of misogyny.
@@johnathonhaney8291 It's not for everybody, but I think Jerusalem is one of the best books I've read in many years. Moore still has a vast imagination, even if he doesn't use it the way we wish we would sometimes.
Atualmente tá tendo miracleman the silver age a continuação do clássico dos quadrinhos e está perfeito neil gaiman feis o sandman da dc e agora o sandman da marvel
If DC allowed the UK license to keep printing Captain Marvel there wouldn't be a Marvelman, we would have seen Billy Batson grow up and Gaiman would have finished his run decades ago. When I see Marvelman I see Captain Marvel so it's hard to take it seriously but that's the point I guess, still it would have been interesting to see Billy Batson be taken seriously for a change.
It wasn't so much that the UK publisher of Captain Marvel lost the license, Fawcett Publishing, the original publisher of Captain Marvel, eliminated their comics in response to two things. First, the long running legal fight with DC over whether Cap was a Superman rip-off; second, superhero comics were a dying breed. The only superheroes who were published continuously from the Golden Age to the Silver Age were Superman, Batman, Robin, Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Green Arrow and Speedy.
tygrkhat40 Fair enough, I'm just saying that when DC bought Fawcett Comics they could have allowed Captain Marvel comics being published like Superman and Batman etc. And considering Captain Marvel was a big in the UK things would have been a lot less complicated and we would have seen Gaiman's run finished decades ago.
I don't know if you guys are aware but Marvel's character Sentry has the exact same backstory as Alan Moore's MarvelMan. Sentry totally ripped off Alan Moore
I asked the director David F Sandberg about this on Twitter and he replied: "It wasn't scripted. John Moran is part of the art department (they like to use their own names for fun when they create things like name tags). In one take Zac improvised the "detective Moron" bit and it made me laugh so I put it in the movie. Moran is also the chairman of the school's board of education (along with other names from the art department)."
I hope that Marvel lets you finish your Miracleman run soon. This was an amazing video about a criminally underrated comic book series. Alan Moore is truly one of the GOATs.
I've assumed the basic outline of what Gaiman & Buckingham wanted to do was pretty much set. It just needed some final changes and Buckingham needed to put pen to paper to re-illustrate an issue or two. But that's all heresay like anything else involving Marvelman.
it is the greatest marvel's graphic novel of all time. Woefully, the majority, notably the infinity saga's & multiverse narratives' fans wouldn't get it & resort to solely loathing it
👍🏻. The preface of vol.3 might be challanging, but diving into it was such a great and memorable experience. Ought to be the greatest marvel's graphic novel of all time, but all we have are bunches of infinity saga's and milky multiverse narratives' fans, though they might learn soon enough
It's the only comic where the scale and horror of the destruction an evil superman might unleash felt accurately depicted. So much of London destroyed, and so many people killed in such bizarre, almost baroque ways "as though he were waiting, as though he were just killing time..." to paraphrase some of MM's narration. The same with the battle to destroy KM--actually, both battles, first in #2 and later in #15. They are the only ones that truly capture something of what it must be like to watch 'when gods cry war amidst the thunder.' I haven't read this series in probably 15 years, despite owning either the whole thing or all but the very last issue and yet certain lines still glow in my memory. What an amazing, even miraculous, series. :) I truly hope it gets legally fully detangled and reprinted someday. That series is why I love superheroes to this day.
Alan Moore's Marvelman is one of my all-time favourite comic-books, and John Totleben's art on it definitely the most beautiful pages I've ever had the luck to read. I was scared when I heard Neil Gaiman would take on the character. Moore's run was perfect in itself and I only knew mr. Gaiman's name, but I've been very happy to see that he is as sensitive and poetical as Alan Moore when he writes the character, no one could have worked after Moore but him.
@Jason Strom this was such a lengthy & unnecessary response in that the absurdity of it almost deserves its own comic book lol. You could base your character on the topic of envy & how you feel it deeper than anyone could relate to or comprehend. Please elaborate on my idea. Take care lol
@Jason Strom To be fair, I can see Neil Gaiman or Alan Moore or other famous sci-fi/fantasy authors writing the same thing that you've written in your comment (not in the same words, but something similar). Definitely recommend checking out Neil's "Make Good Art" book and David Bayles' "Art & Fear" book, and hope y'all get back into writing again (not for the fame or validation, but for some level of fulfillment or labor of love with writing)!
Miracleman was an incredibly well written and thought provoking "comic". I still think about it 30 years after reading Alan Moore & Neil Gaimans deconstruction of the superman. Highly recommended to anyone who wants a more serious and realistic take on the traditional comic. Still hopeful for The Silver Age & The Dark Age , anyone knows whats happening with these?
It's hard to believe we'd ever see a proper ending for Miracle Man. Kid Miracleman was legit terrifying when I was a kid. People talk about the emotional weight of Watchmen, but for me that's Miracleman.
"I had been doing comics for 40-something years when I finally retired,. When I entered the comics industry, the big attraction was that this was a medium that was vulgar, it had been created to entertain working class people, particularly children. The way that the industry has changed, it’s graphic novels now, it’s entirely priced for an audience of middle class people" Moore explained. "I have nothing against middle class people but it wasn’t meant to be a medium for middle aged hobbyists. It was meant to be a medium for people who haven’t got much money." Says Alan Moore, in no way implicating his boarding school educated, graphic novel writing friend, Neil Gaiman.
I praise him and hate him all at once. Hear me out, Alan more showed me as a kid in the 80s that comics could be dark, 30 plus years later were still living in a deconstructed hero era of anger and hate and just depressed heroes and I'm bored of it, it's watchmen for the last 20 years. Can we move on?
Neil's run on Miracleman is one of my favorite things in any superhero comic, ever. The idea of superheroes as gods that are too large for us to fully understand - but that we're also too small for them, really, and they'll never quite care about us the way we keep imagining they will. I think about it anytime Batman or Superman or Iron Man or any of them goes out in the world and smashes things and stops the bad guys. We imagine ourselves as those superheroes, but really we're all the schmucks on the ground, trying to dodge the falling buildings.
I don't see why it would be difficult for us as regular humans to understand them when they're pretty much always depicted as having very "human" motivations - Power, control, love, acceptance, adoration, devotion, etc... These are all things that ordinary humans seek to gain, superhumans are just able to do it on a much larger scale. I mean, how is your example of superhumans smashing things causing the regular people on the ground to have to try and dodge out of the way of falling buildings any different than super-rich CEOs making decisions that screw over the poor and ruin their lives (e.g. the Mortgage Crisis in 2008), or real life dictators who commit mass genocide? Or an even closer analogy, the US dropping the atomic bomb during WWII - That was a case of a few regular humans deciding to cause unimaginable destruction for what they thought was the greater good, very similar to how superheroes will casually destroy cities in pursuit of stopping the bad guys. Again, I disagree with Alan Moore that most superhumans would be beyond the comprehension of regular people (Doctor Manhattan is a special case because he's closer to a god due to his insane time-perception and reality-warping powers which most superheroes don't possess), because at the end of the day most superhumans ARE just regular people from a mind/consciousness stand point, they just have greatly enhanced hardware.
I think that depends on the hero. Saying that "they'll never quite care about us the way we keep imagining they will" ignores the fact that we have, in fact, imagined that some of them do care about us. That's kind of what a comic book is. One writer had Damian take ten hours to cross Gotham because he kept stopping to help the schmucks (like an old lady get on a bus). It once took Batman three days.
@@crabbieappleton Is that true...? I haven't read any Batman in a long time. Wow, Damien's come a LOOONG way from his insufferable UBER-douchebag origins. Haha
@@LoganBluth Miracleman and all the other Gargunza-created heroes were more than mere humans, though, both in terms of bodies and in terms of minds and consciousnesses. There's a scene where Mick is describing to Liz the difference between how he, the mortal, loves her, and how he, the demigod, does. "With him, it's just so huge and so pure and so clean, and with me it's all mixed in with whose turn it is to do the dishes..." It's a rough paraphrase, but that's roughly what Mick said and Miracleman. He clearly comes to regard himself as nearly two separate beings, and MIracleman is meant to be far more intelligent, as well as having a very remote view of normal humanity; the miraclebabies of later issues are shown to be even more so. He can't understand why Liz feels such intense jealousy and hatred for Miraclewoman, for example, after the two of them have aerial sex all over London, their auras creating a fireworks show throughout the sky. And when he decides to turn into MM for good and cease being Michael Moran, his human self is shown mourning this, but not his superself. While not as alien or as remote as Dr. Manhattan, the Gargunza-created superclones that become the Miraclepeople are meant to be humanity, synthetically evolved to a peak of power and perfection so far in advance of normal old mundane us that mutual understanding hangs by a thread. I don't have any trouble believing this, personally, given the literature that shows the difficulty of understanding existing between people whose IQs are three standard deviations from each other or more have serious difficulties in communicating, understanding the other's perspective...or the research I heard about that shows most people with sub-90 IQs have enormous trouble understanding conditionals, hypotheticals, and counter-factuals.
It's a work in progress, Neil has been very busy working on turning his books into TV shows, like American Gods and Good Omens. Marvel have said that they will only start printing the final comics when they are all completed !
@@conan1982 Marvel announced new Miracleman by Neil Gaiman at the Diamond Retailer Lunch at San Diego Comic-Con. Marvel said the new series will be out in 2019. They asked the retailers not to let this news out of the room.
Imagine if he gets to finish the story or at least oversee it, assuming he wants to of course (he might not want to finish it himself for one reason or another, it's been 30 years since it left off after all maybe he wants to hand it off to another person, like how Alan Moore moved on and left it to him so now he might get to do that for someone else) and assuming marvel even cares about it since they're owned by Disney now. so since rofits are 100% the goal now, rather than art (at all really, all companies seek profit above all else because that's the goal of capitalism but the bigger they get even though they could use that power for good they don't, since art for arts sake isn't profitable it doesn't get to happen almost ever at big companies) we may never even get to see it finish at all, unless somehow Neil wats it done and uses his coat to get a big Twitter mob stirred up or something so marvel/Disney see dollar signs from the demand
I absolutely loved the story with multiple Warhols especially when you realise MM was trying to perfect the technology around 'fixing' his creator ... Gattaca in a bottle. Waited for this almost as long as Zenith. Make it so.
That could be a direct commentary of the history of comics in general as well as the history of the world as it now stands. "Those were simpler times" might have become a cliché but it's true nonetheless.
@@DavidTSmith-jn5bs Gaiman's Sandman is in many ways a rebuke to the "simpler times" idea. "In The Company Of Men", which details Dream's centuries-long friendship with Hob Gadling, particularly nails the myopia of thinking there is necessarily anything new under the sun in terms of human ignorance, greed or suffering.
There were several stories in and outside of Neil's Sandman work where that's made apparent. Along with the "Sandman meets Sandman" one-shot (I can't remember the title, sorry), there's "Season of Mists" where Odin tempts Morpheus with an image from "The Last Days of the JSA." I thought that was just an alternate spirit of Wesley Dodds fighting with DC's Asgardians but in this story we're lead to believe that this is the "thought-essence" of Morpheus that gave him nightmares that inspired him to "take his place" as a crime fighter. In Neil and Alan's hands, the "simple days" weren't portrayed as being that simple.
@@DavidTSmith-jn5bs The one-shot you're thinking of is Sandman Midnight Theater, still one of my favorite Dream of The Endless AND Wesley Dodd stories. Matt Wagner doesn't get nearly enough credit for making the latter relevant in Sandman Mystery Theater.
This is all hilarious because now despite having turned comics into a serious medium, Alan Moore is a crazy hippie wizard who still thinks they’re immature and fascist. And Neil is a sellout whom Alan would hate and criticize relentlessly if he had social media.
at long last miracleman gets its due. alan moore´s miracleman IS SOOOOO MUCH more important than watchmen is. actually, miracleman is the big bang of modern comics.
And yet no one remembers Squadron Supreme, which took the basic idea of Miracleman and applied it to a Justice League analogue. I've come to think it was more important than Watchmen.
You guys are looking too much at superheroes. In terms of showing what graphic novels can do or be, Watchmen is more important. MM is still great, but it doesn't have the sheer complexity of Watchmen
He is so correct when he suggests that these stories though still good are not really understood as being so totally new because they grew up on what came after. I remember reading Warrior comic when these stories first came out and it was just draw dropping stuff back then.
I like Alan Moore's 1980s post-modern deconstructionist take on Marvelman a.k.a. Miracleman. It's among his greatest works alongside V For Vendetta and Watchmen. I would like to see a live action movie, or a live action T.V. series of Marvelman and/or Miracleman but unfortunately they would just mess it all up. Even if it was an animated motion picture or an animated television series, they would still just mess it all up. It's a shame, too. It would make a hell of Japanese anime or a high-budget independent film. Oh, well. 😔
I couldn't more agree. I think a moviemaker with strong personnality such as Denis Villeneuve or Nicolas Winding Refn with Led Zeppelin or Pink Floyd for the soundtrack would perfectly shape Miracleman.
Considering that Shazam came out recently it's difficult to say whether it's likely to be adapted. On the one hand the character is now more relevant than he has been in quite some time, but conversely it might need some time before general audiences are interested in having it satirised, let alone are able to understand the distinction between the two.
Excellent video, thumbs up! Still own all my Miracleman issues, except for that always super expensive and rip off, issue #15 which is now a hard to find collector's item!
_Warren Ellis' commentary on Alan Moore's Miracleman, from his legendary Planetary series:_ I should have been noble! Clean! Single! I didn't want to wake up in Soho with twelve valiumed-up Thai rentboys and terrible stains on my tights! You didn't have to take the damn photographs! I didn't want to find out that instead of getting my powers from a transcendant scientist-mentor, I was grown from the DNA of Aryan super-athletes and Hitler's personal sex midgets! I didn't even know Hitler had personal sex midgets! I liked my life! There was nothing wrong with me! I wasn't hip, I wasn't trendy, I wasn't edgy, and you know what? THAT WAS OKAY! I didn't need the split personalities, the nervous breakdown, the shift in sexual orientation, my life being a lie -- if you didn't want me you should have just bloody ignored me!
In many ways, Warren Ellis is who Alan Moore should have been. While Ellis is certainly biting, cynical and without pretense, he also knows how to maintain the quality of his writing and keeps getting work (can't recommend Netflix Castlevania for him nearly enough). Moore...it's the Frank Miller situation all over again. Neonomicon is when I decided that I was done. The hatefulness of that story was just too much.
Grant Morrison wrote a Kid Marvelman story for Warrior magazine, which was all set to go until Alan Moore had it spiked. Thus began the Morrison v Moore antagonism which persists until the present day ... as told by Morrison in the biography-documentary, Talking With Gods.
gaiman's continuation of MM doesnt get enough credit. he actually showed what happened after the revolution, very rare in comics for things to actually change!
I highly doubt the ownership rights are settled on Miracleman …. And I think Marvel’s lawyers believe the same thing . I recommend reading the book Poisoned Chalice , it goes into great detail on the ownership rights to Marvelman/Miracleman and it’s highly unlikely that Mick Angelo retained the rights to Marvelman …. And Marvel knows that … I’m sure someone at some point will come forward with a legitimate claim that would stand up in court and challenge Marvels rights.
Once made a post on how to build better Yu-Gi-Oh decks. "Don't just look at good decks, look at bad decks as well." Why because you ran learn why a deck is bad and how to fix it. Currently working on a video game. And i've been analyzing every bad game in the genre i can afford. For me studying bad examples is the single greatest piece of advice no matter the field.
I'm still waiting for the conclusion of Miracleman Neil Gaiman's run ever since Marvel bought the rights. Your move Marvel! Get act on it. Gaiman and Buckingham are willing.
Marvel Man/Miracle Man of Warrior magazine was a classic story and it is a classic because the great Allan Moore wrote it. The series was very much over because Moore said what he had to say. With Great Powers come Absolute Order and Control. Sure Gaiman came along and etched a career for himself with Sandman. All fair, not lost. Marvel Man is owned by Mick Anglo. Moore sadly do not own it nor Gaiman as he really didn’t do a whole lot as he just enter the scene yet he claim the property is his?!?!. I always thought Gaiman is a overrated self-centered writer. This shows when he was in a press conference promoting a script he had written for Doctor Who. He mostly promotes that this episode is excellent and not to be missed because “I, Neil Gaiman” has written it. And the reality is it wasn’t really all that brilliant or a episode to remember!!!!!
Aww, the title made me think Alan Moore was going to go into why he thought Alan Moore's Miracleman was brilliant. He doesn't say anything remotely close to that.
Nah, you can't make Miracleman in a PG13-setting, it just wouldn't work in any way. We as readers are supposed to both admire but also fear Miracleman, that won't work if Miracleman doesn't punch through regular humans as if they were made of paper. And the London massacre NEEDS that level of devastation because Miracleman is not about seeing a hero triumph, it's about the horrors of superheroes existing in the real world, a world where a psychopath god kills babies for fun and the hero is so desperate while fighting him that he doesn't care that the car he throws at the evil god is filled with people. And after winning said fight he and his superhero pals enforce a totalitarian socialist utopia since hiding their existence from humans isn't feasible anymore. Disney/Marvel would never allow such a thing in the MCU so we better hope that they don't even try to bring Miracleman to the MCU because that would ruin it. Now, if they let a director with a vision make an R-rated series with GoT-style levels of money I'd be down but that is probably never going to happen, especially since Miracleman seems to mostly be known by the fringe of comic-book fandom
Marvel made the complete Moore/Gaiman run available in hard cover (up to issue 22). Now, if your wanting the old Eclipse hard covers, that might be a little costly and hard to find.
For anyone deeply interested in knowing more about Marvelman/Miracleman should try and find a book titled, Kimota! The Miracleman Companion, it delves into the complexity involving the legal rights to the character, Alan Moore's beef with Marvel, why it was never finished (other than Eclipse going out of business) and some highly interesting interviews with everyone involved with working on the Miracleman.
An amazing connection in the Miracleman comic is that the guy that made the Miracle Family was looking for a logical explanation to their powers and the way to activate them so they didn't question where they got them and he founds a Shazam comic book in a bar and he thinks is perfect.
Me waiting for the continuation of Miracleman...💀⚰
@@birthmoviesdeath what's the hold up? He says he hopes MARVEL will complete it... I'd think they would if he would write it and Buckingham would draw it. Why wouldn't they publish it?
@@artcohen2254 As far as I remember they ended up having some unforeseen legal issues that slowed things down, and I think Buckingham decided to redo bunch of old pages to make the continuation more smooth.
@@stefanmrkonjic9279 The Marvelman hardcover collections have NOT sold well.
The initial highorders declined very quickly. and they've been a sales bomb for Marvel.
They could not get rid of the reprints of the original B&W Marvelman comics so they stopped that series cold.
As for the 1980s/1990s material, it, too, has NOT sold well, either. I've seen Marvelman volumes (hardcovers) pop up at Ollie's which is a discount chain that sells the things (books, toys, videos, whatever-you-name-it) that DIDN'T sell anywhere else including many of the last 3 years of Star Wars toys!
When something ends up at Ollie's that's an indication that they overproduced that item and it just wasn't selling.
This past year, they dumped over a quarter-million graphic novels --hardcovers and trade paperbacks-- into Ollie's because the distributor could NOT unload these on comic shops. They just were not selling these books and the bookstore chains left (B&N, Books A Million, Half-Price Books) didn't want these graphic novels, either.
There is a graphic novel glut and guess what? Marvel and DC STILL haven't figured that out yet! Manga is doing okay but they can't get rid of most supehero books. There weren't a lot of people who want to buy $100+ omnibus editions of MORE POPULAR characters but there were even fewer people who wanted to spend $25-$40 per book on a British character that has only a cult audience (very small) appeal in the US.
I frankly think they're years late to the game where Marvelman is concerned. Many of those fans from the 1990s have moved onto other things and have left the comic book hobby.
There were never huge print runs on the Miracleman comics to begin with. It had a limited audience and was never the most popular book. I'm not knocking it but don't equate "critical darling" with sales success or literary critics even understanding what most buyers think about comics. There's always been a huge gulf between the critics in most industries and the consumers who actually buy things.
@@AvengerII Archie Goodwin had a similar story to tell with his and Walt Simonson's Manhunter feature in Detective Comics. After mentioning how taking a risk like that would make you a hero or not matter because sales were already bad, he wrote: "To forestall any possible suspense...I didn't become a hero. But there was, as they say in show biz, critical success." The same would seem to apply here.
@@johnathonhaney8291 It's a shame for people who are fans of this character but Marvelman just hasn't sold that many books since Marvel brought the character back onto the market.
I think they waited too long to bring him back. Most of the fans that liked the character storylines in the Miracleman days are gone I'm fairly sure. The question is whether Moore and Gaiman are big sellers, or are they niche and sell well for certain titles. That seems to be the case for Grant Morrison... His original works don't sell but anytime he's on Batman or Superman, that's a different story.
Right now, the publishers need to sell more quality-level books and stop playing games like they are now but I think it's too late for the Direct Market. Dumping a bunch of books at Ollie's and publishing anything in trades in vain hope that those books will sell anywhere is not working for them.
I cornered Alan Moore (when I was a kid) at a comic mart in Glasgow and gushed about Marvelman; he was this towering hippie and was mega nice to me but corrected me cos I described 'Marveldog' as 'Superdog'
...in my youthful enthusiasm.
@Agent Milos Please, what do you mean?
@Neil Brown You must be a joy at parties
@Neil Brown Nobody cares.
lmao that sounds like alan moore
@@johanliebert4622 .... so what yer sayin is there used to be a Neil Brown here, eh?
Alan Moore, took comics seriously, and im glad he did
@Neil Brown Calm down, kid.
And yet the comic book industry took advantage of his contributions.
@@alexphillips4644 if DC didn't fuck him over. Imagine where he would be right now at DC. He would probably be what Jim Lee or Geoff Johns is now.
Not really, He kinda took away from the hopeful optimism I made the superhero genre dreary and depressing.
@@Blitz_Storm u have a point, but its not his fault EVERYONE copyd him, at the time it was revolutionary.
I like how Neil Gaiman is slowly turning into a mage
Probably a side effect from long term Alan Moore exposure.
He's turning into Rincewind :)
Slowly?
Morrison, Moore and Gaiman are the closet things people will come to meeting Mage Bards.
It's not a passive effect - he's continuously grinding out experience points.
"Turning"?
Neil Gaiman is too awesome! I need to read his Miracle Man some day. I sure hope Alan Moore’s run gets an omnibus edition too. ASAP.
It was awesome
Look for the greyscale version. Beautiful
@House of El except when miracleman fucking kisses young miracleman. Fucking why???? Bad writing that's why.
I'm glad I got the entirety of the series, save the very last one. Amazing run as a whole. Moore's run is slightly better to me.
@@johnLennon255 Nah.
I still remember how the story blew me away back in the day. And still does. I'm just waiting for the time when I can share the book with my kid in a few years...
I've been collecting comics for nearly 40 years, I've read about this in Wizard and other places, but this was the best explanation I have ever read.
First time I saw him was in Warrior magazine in the early 80's. I would have been about 16, kept me buying comics a couple more years before I traded comics for boozing at the pub and chasing girls. Two divorces later I sometimes wish I stayed with comics. I had nearly 2000 Marvel, DC and Indie comics. I sold the lot for $1200 back in 1984. Would have been worth a fortune today. I had all the Key Daredevil and X-Men issues and a ton of first issues going back to the late 60's. Makes me very sad.
It always seems like a little bit of a miracle when a good story that was cut off before its time is allowed to finally reclaim its destiny. It's one of those reversals which almost justifies the initial tragedy. Provided it's done correctly! Though even then, there's that palpable sense of gratitude upon completion. It becomes greater, in a sense, for having come back from its grey area to finish its work!
I remember reading Miracleman back in the 80s -- it was such a ground breaker in that Moore assumed his audience were adults.
“Elegantly ripping them off” applicable to nearly everything
Hold on this ain't Neil Gaiman, that's Steven Spielberg.
.... I was just thinking that!
After a baziollion blend unimaginatve Marvel Movies I feel sad and empty. There is something I can't remember. I can't remember the words that tranformed me into a hero. I wish there would be a work of art, that would bring back the glory of Miracleman/Marvel Man. Something that is as intellectual powerfull, as emotional challenging as anything that I'm seeing on the stage or reading in books in books. ...
Any Alan Moore/Alan Davis team up is going to be good....
It was such great retconned series. I loved Moores MiracleMan .
This was great, right up to the part where Marvel bought the rights to the character. Unfortunately the current state of Marvel is more concerned with pushing an agenda as opposed to just telling a good story.
Hell of an anime/manga reference behind Neil.
Interesting how Alan Moore was credited with taking comic themes seriously. It reminds me of childhood in the sixties and how I hated Batman the T.V. series because of how so much it wasn't taking its themes seriously. Never understood why so many of my friends like it. It was silly although I have to admit, later on when I was a young adult, that there was a lot of humor there that I didn't see as a kid.
There was a character in the SHAZAM movie who blatantly referenced Marvelman - his last name was Moran
Damn, you're right.
Sorry, it wasn’t. They were asked about it and it’s a coincidence, other posters have already covered this.
That cheery background music isn't what I would attribute to the Miracleman series. People who are gonna pick up the comic blind are sure in for a surprise.
Such an awesome series.
It's a shame Alan Moore seems to have such a disdainful view of superheroes these days.
Many things about Moore these days is a shame. Like Frank Miller, old age has not been kind to him nor his talent. Neonomicon in particular has a hatefulness at its core which all but spits at humans with what looks like a hefty side of misogyny.
@@johnathonhaney8291 It's not for everybody, but I think Jerusalem is one of the best books I've read in many years. Moore still has a vast imagination, even if he doesn't use it the way we wish we would sometimes.
Old socialists are usually very salty, their smugness couldn't defeat coming death
Wow, This was amazing.
I just came from Nerdwriter's essay on this, and it's almost the same, but longer.
Super mega miracle aqua bat spider captain man 4 is going to be awesome.
Atualmente tá tendo miracleman the silver age a continuação do clássico dos quadrinhos e está perfeito neil gaiman feis o sandman da dc e agora o sandman da marvel
If DC allowed the UK license to keep printing Captain Marvel there wouldn't be a Marvelman, we would have seen Billy Batson grow up and Gaiman would have finished his run decades ago. When I see Marvelman I see Captain Marvel so it's hard to take it seriously but that's the point I guess, still it would have been interesting to see Billy Batson be taken seriously for a change.
It wasn't so much that the UK publisher of Captain Marvel lost the license, Fawcett Publishing, the original publisher of Captain Marvel, eliminated their comics in response to two things.
First, the long running legal fight with DC over whether Cap was a Superman rip-off; second, superhero comics were a dying breed. The only superheroes who were published continuously from the Golden Age to the Silver Age were Superman, Batman, Robin, Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Green Arrow and Speedy.
tygrkhat40 Fair enough, I'm just saying that when DC bought Fawcett Comics they could have allowed Captain Marvel comics being published like Superman and Batman etc. And considering Captain Marvel was a big in the UK things would have been a lot less complicated and we would have seen Gaiman's run finished decades ago.
In DC Elseworld story titled Kingdom Come by Mark Waid & Alex Ross. Billy Batson grow up. fought Superman. good times!
I can’t find “MiracleMan” on Marvel Unlimited but they do have “MarvelMan”.
@ 1:06 that's a hammer and sickle ya'll
Still waiting
I don't know if you guys are aware but Marvel's character Sentry has the exact same backstory as Alan Moore's MarvelMan. Sentry totally ripped off Alan Moore
WAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH. You're title is hysterical!
uhhh the pain I had to sell all the Marvel TPBs to help pay my rent.
"Kid Marvelman" is a funny contradiction
I don't know if its a reference or not, but in the Shazam film, the school security guard's name tag said "Moran" and I was very pleased.
I noticed that too, pretty sure it is a reference.
I'm just not getting an extra layer to that joke. Thank you.
It's a subtle shoutout.
I told my wife this, and she shrugged - but I knew.
I asked the director David F Sandberg about this on Twitter and he replied:
"It wasn't scripted. John Moran is part of the art department (they like to use their own names for fun when they create things like name tags). In one take Zac improvised the "detective Moron" bit and it made me laugh so I put it in the movie.
Moran is also the chairman of the school's board of education (along with other names from the art department)."
I hope that Marvel lets you finish your Miracleman run soon. This was an amazing video about a criminally underrated comic book series. Alan Moore is truly one of the GOATs.
I thought he did finish it, wasn’t that the point of Marvel buying the rights and republishing the series?
I've assumed the basic outline of what Gaiman & Buckingham wanted to do was pretty much set. It just needed some final changes and Buckingham needed to put pen to paper to re-illustrate an issue or two. But that's all heresay like anything else involving Marvelman.
it is the greatest marvel's graphic novel of all time.
Woefully, the majority, notably the infinity saga's & multiverse narratives' fans wouldn't get it & resort to solely loathing it
Wish granted Neil and Mark are back at Marvel finishing their story.
The way Gaiman says comics with such warmth and love almost makes me tear up just from that one word. What a legend
Moore's Miracleman #15 is possibly the most epic comic ever written... and Neil Gaiman is a genius as well as being a super nice guy.
👍🏻. The preface of vol.3 might be challanging, but diving into it was such a great and memorable experience. Ought to be the greatest marvel's graphic novel of all time,
but all we have are bunches of infinity saga's and milky multiverse narratives' fans, though they might learn soon enough
It's the only comic where the scale and horror of the destruction an evil superman might unleash felt accurately depicted. So much of London destroyed, and so many people killed in such bizarre, almost baroque ways "as though he were waiting, as though he were just killing time..." to paraphrase some of MM's narration. The same with the battle to destroy KM--actually, both battles, first in #2 and later in #15. They are the only ones that truly capture something of what it must be like to watch 'when gods cry war amidst the thunder.'
I haven't read this series in probably 15 years, despite owning either the whole thing or all but the very last issue and yet certain lines still glow in my memory. What an amazing, even miraculous, series. :) I truly hope it gets legally fully detangled and reprinted someday. That series is why I love superheroes to this day.
Alan Moore's Marvelman is one of my all-time favourite comic-books, and John Totleben's art on it definitely the most beautiful pages I've ever had the luck to read. I was scared when I heard Neil Gaiman would take on the character. Moore's run was perfect in itself and I only knew mr. Gaiman's name, but I've been very happy to see that he is as sensitive and poetical as Alan Moore when he writes the character, no one could have worked after Moore but him.
For me, Neil Gaiman is the only guy who can take over for Alan Moore.👍
We don't deserve Neil Gaiman.
@Jason Strom this was such a lengthy & unnecessary response in that the absurdity of it almost deserves its own comic book lol. You could base your character on the topic of envy & how you feel it deeper than anyone could relate to or comprehend. Please elaborate on my idea. Take care lol
@Jason Strom
To be fair, I can see Neil Gaiman or Alan Moore or other famous sci-fi/fantasy authors writing the same thing that you've written in your comment (not in the same words, but something similar). Definitely recommend checking out Neil's "Make Good Art" book and David Bayles' "Art & Fear" book, and hope y'all get back into writing again (not for the fame or validation, but for some level of fulfillment or labor of love with writing)!
@Neil Brown Seriously, shut up already and give your mother her phone back.
Whoever runs Marvel now would have to be literally INSANE not to let Gaiman finish his story if that's what he wants to do.
Miracleman was an incredibly well written and thought provoking "comic". I still think about it 30 years after reading Alan Moore & Neil Gaimans deconstruction of the superman. Highly recommended to anyone who wants a more serious and realistic take on the traditional comic. Still hopeful for The Silver Age & The Dark Age , anyone knows whats happening with these?
Miracleman (Marvelman) is the most powerfull, incredible, necessary comic book in the all times. It's pure art! Thank You, Alan Moore!
Cant wait for silver age and dark age, Neil Gaiman, your the man x)
It's hard to believe we'd ever see a proper ending for Miracle Man. Kid Miracleman was legit terrifying when I was a kid. People talk about the emotional weight of Watchmen, but for me that's Miracleman.
Looking forward to him finishing Miracleman so that we get Miracleman by Gaiman Omnibus.
"I had been doing comics for 40-something years when I finally retired,. When I entered the comics industry, the big attraction was that this was a medium that was vulgar, it had been created to entertain working class people, particularly children. The way that the industry has changed, it’s graphic novels now, it’s entirely priced for an audience of middle class people" Moore explained. "I have nothing against middle class people but it wasn’t meant to be a medium for middle aged hobbyists. It was meant to be a medium for people who haven’t got much money." Says Alan Moore, in no way implicating his boarding school educated, graphic novel writing friend, Neil Gaiman.
I love the irony that Miracle Man's creator wasn't happy about Moore's revamp.
Hearing Neil give credit to Alan is powerful
I praise him and hate him all at once. Hear me out, Alan more showed me as a kid in the 80s that comics could be dark, 30 plus years later were still living in a deconstructed hero era of anger and hate and just depressed heroes and I'm bored of it, it's watchmen for the last 20 years. Can we move on?
I really don't want to quote THAT movie, but... some things, you can't unring the bell. Watchmen was a distinct turning point, for better or worse.
Neil's run on Miracleman is one of my favorite things in any superhero comic, ever. The idea of superheroes as gods that are too large for us to fully understand - but that we're also too small for them, really, and they'll never quite care about us the way we keep imagining they will. I think about it anytime Batman or Superman or Iron Man or any of them goes out in the world and smashes things and stops the bad guys. We imagine ourselves as those superheroes, but really we're all the schmucks on the ground, trying to dodge the falling buildings.
Wow
I don't see why it would be difficult for us as regular humans to understand them when they're pretty much always depicted as having very "human" motivations - Power, control, love, acceptance, adoration, devotion, etc... These are all things that ordinary humans seek to gain, superhumans are just able to do it on a much larger scale. I mean, how is your example of superhumans smashing things causing the regular people on the ground to have to try and dodge out of the way of falling buildings any different than super-rich CEOs making decisions that screw over the poor and ruin their lives (e.g. the Mortgage Crisis in 2008), or real life dictators who commit mass genocide? Or an even closer analogy, the US dropping the atomic bomb during WWII - That was a case of a few regular humans deciding to cause unimaginable destruction for what they thought was the greater good, very similar to how superheroes will casually destroy cities in pursuit of stopping the bad guys.
Again, I disagree with Alan Moore that most superhumans would be beyond the comprehension of regular people (Doctor Manhattan is a special case because he's closer to a god due to his insane time-perception and reality-warping powers which most superheroes don't possess), because at the end of the day most superhumans ARE just regular people from a mind/consciousness stand point, they just have greatly enhanced hardware.
I think that depends on the hero. Saying that "they'll never quite care about us the way we keep imagining they will" ignores the fact that we have, in fact, imagined that some of them do care about us. That's kind of what a comic book is.
One writer had Damian take ten hours to cross Gotham because he kept stopping to help the schmucks (like an old lady get on a bus). It once took Batman three days.
@@crabbieappleton Is that true...? I haven't read any Batman in a long time. Wow, Damien's come a LOOONG way from his insufferable UBER-douchebag origins. Haha
@@LoganBluth Miracleman and all the other Gargunza-created heroes were more than mere humans, though, both in terms of bodies and in terms of minds and consciousnesses. There's a scene where Mick is describing to Liz the difference between how he, the mortal, loves her, and how he, the demigod, does. "With him, it's just so huge and so pure and so clean, and with me it's all mixed in with whose turn it is to do the dishes..." It's a rough paraphrase, but that's roughly what Mick said and Miracleman.
He clearly comes to regard himself as nearly two separate beings, and MIracleman is meant to be far more intelligent, as well as having a very remote view of normal humanity; the miraclebabies of later issues are shown to be even more so. He can't understand why Liz feels such intense jealousy and hatred for Miraclewoman, for example, after the two of them have aerial sex all over London, their auras creating a fireworks show throughout the sky. And when he decides to turn into MM for good and cease being Michael Moran, his human self is shown mourning this, but not his superself.
While not as alien or as remote as Dr. Manhattan, the Gargunza-created superclones that become the Miraclepeople are meant to be humanity, synthetically evolved to a peak of power and perfection so far in advance of normal old mundane us that mutual understanding hangs by a thread. I don't have any trouble believing this, personally, given the literature that shows the difficulty of understanding existing between people whose IQs are three standard deviations from each other or more have serious difficulties in communicating, understanding the other's perspective...or the research I heard about that shows most people with sub-90 IQs have enormous trouble understanding conditionals, hypotheticals, and counter-factuals.
So when will Neil be completing his run on Miracleman?
It's a work in progress, Neil has been very busy working on turning his books into TV shows, like American Gods and Good Omens. Marvel have said that they will only start printing the final comics when they are all completed !
@@secretsquirrel9214 Where dd this info come from? Other than the postings from last year there have been no official updates.
@@conan1982 Marvel announced new Miracleman by Neil Gaiman at the Diamond Retailer Lunch at San Diego Comic-Con. Marvel said the new series will be out in 2019. They asked the retailers not to let this news out of the room.
Never ?
Imagine if he gets to finish the story or at least oversee it, assuming he wants to of course (he might not want to finish it himself for one reason or another, it's been 30 years since it left off after all maybe he wants to hand it off to another person, like how Alan Moore moved on and left it to him so now he might get to do that for someone else) and assuming marvel even cares about it since they're owned by Disney now.
so since rofits are 100% the goal now, rather than art (at all really, all companies seek profit above all else because that's the goal of capitalism but the bigger they get even though they could use that power for good they don't, since art for arts sake isn't profitable it doesn't get to happen almost ever at big companies) we may never even get to see it finish at all, unless somehow Neil wats it done and uses his coat to get a big Twitter mob stirred up or something so marvel/Disney see dollar signs from the demand
I absolutely loved the story with multiple Warhols especially when you realise MM was trying to perfect the technology around 'fixing' his creator ... Gattaca in a bottle. Waited for this almost as long as Zenith. Make it so.
Alan Moore's Miracleman is bleak and scary as hell. You'll never see Captain Marvel the way you used to
That could be a direct commentary of the history of comics in general as well as the history of the world as it now stands. "Those were simpler times" might have become a cliché but it's true nonetheless.
@@DavidTSmith-jn5bs Gaiman's Sandman is in many ways a rebuke to the "simpler times" idea. "In The Company Of Men", which details Dream's centuries-long friendship with Hob Gadling, particularly nails the myopia of thinking there is necessarily anything new under the sun in terms of human ignorance, greed or suffering.
There were several stories in and outside of Neil's Sandman work where that's made apparent. Along with the "Sandman meets Sandman" one-shot (I can't remember the title, sorry), there's "Season of Mists" where Odin tempts Morpheus with an image from "The Last Days of the JSA." I thought that was just an alternate spirit of Wesley Dodds fighting with DC's Asgardians but in this story we're lead to believe that this is the "thought-essence" of Morpheus that gave him nightmares that inspired him to "take his place" as a crime fighter. In Neil and Alan's hands, the "simple days" weren't portrayed as being that simple.
@@DavidTSmith-jn5bs The one-shot you're thinking of is Sandman Midnight Theater, still one of my favorite Dream of The Endless AND Wesley Dodd stories. Matt Wagner doesn't get nearly enough credit for making the latter relevant in Sandman Mystery Theater.
See: everything else Alan Moore has written. The man's a genius, but he doesn't have a high opinion of humanity.
This is all hilarious because now despite having turned comics into a serious medium, Alan Moore is a crazy hippie wizard who still thinks they’re immature and fascist. And Neil is a sellout whom Alan would hate and criticize relentlessly if he had social media.
You realize that Marvel owning the rights to Marvelman /Miracleman is travesty in itself.
Not really a fan of Alan Moore, He kinda took away from the hopeful optimism I made the superhero genre dreary and depressing.
Neil the secret Scientologist seems a lot less charming when you do some digging.
He helped shut down the web archive soon over money.
He has come to believe all of his own hype.
It’s a work of art.
at long last miracleman gets its due. alan moore´s miracleman IS SOOOOO MUCH more important than watchmen is. actually, miracleman is the big bang of modern comics.
Gerald Herrmann I’d take that one step further and add that Maximmortal is right there along side Miracleman.
And yet no one remembers Squadron Supreme, which took the basic idea of Miracleman and applied it to a Justice League analogue. I've come to think it was more important than Watchmen.
@@johnathonhaney8291 yes, right, that was the seed
You guys are looking too much at superheroes. In terms of showing what graphic novels can do or be, Watchmen is more important. MM is still great, but it doesn't have the sheer complexity of Watchmen
@@Matthew-ve7uv I've read Watchmen many times but I've come to conclude that it was a lot more shallow than its fans would like to believe.
He is so correct when he suggests that these stories though still good are not really understood as being so totally new because they grew up on what came after. I remember reading Warrior comic when these stories first came out and it was just draw dropping stuff back then.
I like Alan Moore's 1980s post-modern deconstructionist take on Marvelman a.k.a. Miracleman. It's among his greatest works alongside V For Vendetta and Watchmen.
I would like to see a live action movie, or a live action T.V. series of Marvelman and/or Miracleman but unfortunately they would just mess it all up. Even if it was an animated motion picture or an animated television series, they would still just mess it all up.
It's a shame, too. It would make a hell of Japanese anime or a high-budget independent film.
Oh, well. 😔
I couldn't more agree. I think a moviemaker with strong personnality such as Denis Villeneuve or Nicolas Winding Refn with Led Zeppelin or Pink Floyd for the soundtrack would perfectly shape Miracleman.
Considering that Shazam came out recently it's difficult to say whether it's likely to be adapted.
On the one hand the character is now more relevant than he has been in quite some time, but conversely it might need some time before general audiences are interested in having it satirised, let alone are able to understand the distinction between the two.
Yeah i don't really see Disney tackle that rape-scene from the books. Or any of the other more adult subjects for that matter.
wishful thinking marvel is too busy sniffing their own farts and playing gatekeeper to there own product to let him finish anything
How so?
Elegantly rips them off.....haha...I love the Brits.
Gaiman. Lovely man.
Excellent video, thumbs up! Still own all my Miracleman issues, except for that always super expensive and rip off, issue #15 which is now a hard to find collector's item!
there's plenty on eBay and tons of reprinted new ones
I hope they've significantly dropped in price over the years then!
It'll always be Marvelman to me.
Neil Gaiman and Alan Moore were two of the best writers in comics history.
I love this so much I am so glad I watched this. Neil and Alan are so amazing.
Alan Moore is a literary genius
Miracle Man is a blatant rip off of Captain Marvel. While I love much of the new take, it is what it is and nothing can change that.
Yeah. Marvelman is cool, but he's still just a bootleg Captain Marvel
_Warren Ellis' commentary on Alan Moore's Miracleman, from his legendary Planetary series:_
I should have been noble! Clean! Single! I didn't want to wake up in Soho with twelve valiumed-up Thai rentboys and terrible stains on my tights! You didn't have to take the damn photographs!
I didn't want to find out that instead of getting my powers from a transcendant scientist-mentor, I was grown from the DNA of Aryan super-athletes and Hitler's personal sex midgets! I didn't even know Hitler had personal sex midgets!
I liked my life! There was nothing wrong with me! I wasn't hip, I wasn't trendy, I wasn't edgy, and you know what? THAT WAS OKAY!
I didn't need the split personalities, the nervous breakdown, the shift in sexual orientation, my life being a lie -- if you didn't want me you should have just bloody ignored me!
Good ol' Warren.
In many ways, Warren Ellis is who Alan Moore should have been. While Ellis is certainly biting, cynical and without pretense, he also knows how to maintain the quality of his writing and keeps getting work (can't recommend Netflix Castlevania for him nearly enough). Moore...it's the Frank Miller situation all over again. Neonomicon is when I decided that I was done. The hatefulness of that story was just too much.
@@johnathonhaney8291 Did you read his Providence? It's miles better than Neonomicon and his most researched work since From Hell.
And the crazy thing is that no one else remembers Miracleman either, and Moore does a great job explaining why.
Bring back the evil santa Claus to write Miracle man again
Watchmen was more ground breaking as storytelling but Marvelman was the first to deconstruct the superhero genre.
Exactly! That's exactly right!
Grant Morrison wrote a Kid Marvelman story for Warrior magazine, which was all set to go until Alan Moore had it spiked. Thus began the Morrison v Moore antagonism which persists until the present day ... as told by Morrison in the biography-documentary, Talking With Gods.
You are aware that story was published in the Marvel run? Illustrated by Quesada, as the annual? Has a second story in it by Mike Allred.
I did not know that. Cool! I will try and seek it out for my collection. Thanks for the tip!
Moore's influence is both the glory and the bane of modern comics. Now comics are nothing but deconstruction.
get into comics for Moore, stay for Morrison.
No modern mainstream comics are basically pamphelets for the movies
@@JokerL1000 And the deconstruction came first...so who killed the comic world?
@@johnathonhaney8291
The mcu did. I can elaborate
Comics are mostly deconstruction in the "flight and tights" books, other genres like crime noir and horror still have fresh material.
gaiman's continuation of MM doesnt get enough credit. he actually showed what happened after the revolution, very rare in comics for things to actually change!
20 years later:
A L A N M O O R E
I hope marvel finish the story soon
I highly doubt the ownership rights are settled on Miracleman …. And I think Marvel’s lawyers believe the same thing . I recommend reading the book Poisoned Chalice , it goes into great detail on the ownership rights to Marvelman/Miracleman and it’s highly unlikely that Mick Angelo retained the rights to Marvelman …. And Marvel knows that … I’m sure someone at some point will come forward with a legitimate claim that would stand up in court and challenge Marvels rights.
Once made a post on how to build better Yu-Gi-Oh decks. "Don't just look at good decks, look at bad decks as well." Why because you ran learn why a deck is bad and how to fix it. Currently working on a video game. And i've been analyzing every bad game in the genre i can afford. For me studying bad examples is the single greatest piece of advice no matter the field.
Thanks for helping shut down memory hole/archive site over money Neil.
Great job...
But why does nobody talk about Tom Strong?
I'm still waiting for the conclusion of Miracleman Neil Gaiman's run ever since Marvel bought the rights. Your move Marvel! Get act on it. Gaiman and Buckingham are willing.
I want the story behind the pink plush in the background. I only noticed it because my nephew has something very similar.
Marvel Man/Miracle Man of Warrior magazine was a classic story and it is a classic because the great Allan Moore wrote it. The series was very much over because Moore said what he had to say. With Great Powers come Absolute Order and Control.
Sure Gaiman came along and etched a career for himself with Sandman.
All fair, not lost. Marvel Man is owned by Mick Anglo. Moore sadly do not own it nor Gaiman as he really didn’t do a whole lot as he just enter the scene yet he claim the property is his?!?!.
I always thought Gaiman is a overrated self-centered writer.
This shows when he was in a press conference promoting a script he had written for Doctor Who.
He mostly promotes that this episode is excellent and not to be missed because “I, Neil Gaiman” has written it.
And the reality is it wasn’t really all that brilliant or a episode to remember!!!!!
Aww, the title made me think Alan Moore was going to go into why he thought Alan Moore's Miracleman was brilliant. He doesn't say anything remotely close to that.
Miracleman is basically Shazam if turned into Devilman.
I sincerely hope Niel Gaiman finishes his story. Holy Crap I so want a Ragnorok to occur. Also I wanna find out more about Young Nasty Man.
How long before he ends up in the MCU? They could start where Moore did, with him remembering his word.
That would be cool but if they ever did, they'd bring in their own property, Sentry.
Nah, you can't make Miracleman in a PG13-setting, it just wouldn't work in any way. We as readers are supposed to both admire but also fear Miracleman, that won't work if Miracleman doesn't punch through regular humans as if they were made of paper. And the London massacre NEEDS that level of devastation because Miracleman is not about seeing a hero triumph, it's about the horrors of superheroes existing in the real world, a world where a psychopath god kills babies for fun and the hero is so desperate while fighting him that he doesn't care that the car he throws at the evil god is filled with people. And after winning said fight he and his superhero pals enforce a totalitarian socialist utopia since hiding their existence from humans isn't feasible anymore.
Disney/Marvel would never allow such a thing in the MCU so we better hope that they don't even try to bring Miracleman to the MCU because that would ruin it.
Now, if they let a director with a vision make an R-rated series with GoT-style levels of money I'd be down but that is probably never going to happen, especially since Miracleman seems to mostly be known by the fringe of comic-book fandom
Gaiman explains why: "it's bloody Alan Moore, what did you expect"
I wish they would reprint the hard covers of the Moore/Gaiman run
I'm pretty sure that fGaiman's Golden Age was reprinted a couple of years ago.
Marvel made the complete Moore/Gaiman run available in hard cover (up to issue 22). Now, if your wanting the old Eclipse hard covers, that might be a little costly and hard to find.
can’t wait for Hollywood to turn this brilliant piece of art into a pile of steaming shit. It’s only a matter of time.
For anyone deeply interested in knowing more about Marvelman/Miracleman should try and find a book titled, Kimota! The Miracleman Companion, it delves into the complexity involving the legal rights to the character, Alan Moore's beef with Marvel, why it was never finished (other than Eclipse going out of business) and some highly interesting interviews with everyone involved with working on the Miracleman.
Yes! I own a copy of Kimota! It may be a bit hard to find now however. I recently saw a copy on ebay listed at $100.
I just heard that Neil and Amanda are splitting up...
All in favour of Miracleman in the MCU, say aiy
An amazing connection in the Miracleman comic is that the guy that made the Miracle Family was looking for a logical explanation to their powers and the way to activate them so they didn't question where they got them and he founds a Shazam comic book in a bar and he thinks is perfect.
Gaiman IS a God. Solomon in the flesh.