The thing I don’t get about the military is that they are so desperate for people but the military still feels like a club where you have to jump all these hurdles just to get in.
I think at the end of the day they have to be selective because the job they’re applying for is a hard one. You have to prove that you’ll most likely be capable of the shit that’ll be expected of you because they dump a lot of money into each service member’s training and all that. If they weren’t selective about it, think about how many people would get injured and get processed out or how many people would straight up just quit. This already happens a ton with how selective they are now so it would just waste more money.
Yes, most of those hurdles come from the stupid Genesis system! That wasn't a thing when I was going through. Some solutions are just that simple. Who has 2 years to wait for a military job?
I think the biggest factor making people leave is the horrible leadership and how common it is. If you’re going to work and hate your job everyday because of some turd above you that will affect your decision to reenlist the most. However, if you’re enjoying your work and get good satisfaction out of what you do you might think about sticking it out for the 20.
Facts , usually the higher you go up the chain the more likely you are to be dealing Winthrop a fat incompetent fool who can’t be bothered to complete even the simplest tasks. It’s almost as smart people are less likely to re-enlist…. Not always of course… you do see high performers once in a while that rank up fast and young… but if it wasn’t for time in service being a factor for ranking up many would be SOL as a 20 year E3 😂
I agree! At Ft Drum, the S-1 "turds", infantry put into the personnel office, not actual S-1 soldiers, would be very selfish. Not help anyone, kick people out of the office. And power trip. You had to get a pass, like in school, signed by the 1st Sgt! The 1st Sgt had better things to do. Do they apologize? No! Do the ask for forgiveness? No! Being a supply clerk, I refused to supply them. They can moan and groan. But you can't. Ft Drum S-1 run by an inbread, a midget, and Steve Urkels gay stunt double!
when i was in as enlisted in early 90's there were plenty of aholes of all ranks, walks of life, be it x gang bangers, to hick country boys, nothing worse than having a few NCOS that are aholes, and suffering from too many chiefs and not enough indians
From an Army Veteran's perspective, the Army needs to focus on the quality of Recruits instead of the quantity of Recruits. That is what will improve the Army's discipline in the long run.
That's why I got chaptered out, I'm glad I got out of the ARMY during basic training, it wasn't worth it, I didn't care about my bonus, duty station, etc. I hated it....glad I got out and joining a different branch.
I’d agree, but the army is completely understrength. That just forces more work on everybody else because the army’s training tempo hasn’t slowed down, it’s actually sped up. That forces more work on everyone and burns them out within in a contract
The Marine Corps has done a relatively good job of keeping its culture and traditions generally intact but the biggest problem that I saw was that no one wanted to reenlist because everyone felt like there was more opportunity in the civilian world. Even in total pog MOS’s it’s hard for a lot of folks to see long term career opportunities because of slow promotions, little opportunity for deployments or special training, and toxic leadership only looking out for themselves. Other branches do much better in these categories but have largely sacrificed their traditions and cultures in the process so I think it’d do well for them to go back to holding people to higher standards of discipline and not just assimilating with civilian culture the way they seem to now.
Or you can just do what the Air Force does and have little to no problem retaining people and attracting people. If your culture sucks, your chain of command sucks, and the opportunities aren’t worth while then nobody is going to want to stay or join besides people that feel that have no option. They’re basically scared dogs scared of the world. That’s bad. Start looking at what the Air Force is doing and that’ll help drastically.
@@NPCdeathMachine I'm a Marine vet and I have served on Air Force bases, and to be honest, I don't 100% agree with you on this. The mission and lifestyle of the Marines has to have a certain amount of Spartan edge to it. It maintains that combat ready attitude that we need since when the balloon goes up, we are the first ones out and upending our lives (no act of congress required). We have to have that get up and go heightened state of readiness. The Air Force is more relaxed. You need to be to handle your comparatively more cerebral and lower stress jobs. I'm not saying that hazing and 'wall to wall' counseling is always a necessary, but that tough as nails culture for Marines is there for a reason. Scaling it back, for the softer generation, I think in some ways is necessary. But abandoning it is a bad idea. I've seen it personally as an air winger.
Also a lot won't reenlist because the civilian world give better pay for less stress with the job. Why be a welder or engineer in the service when you can make $120k doing that at my job? With no PT or useless formations lol
Exactly I'm from a Marine family, but I picked the Army because they have ways to directly try out for special operations while the crops wants you to just go in and maybe after 5 years you can get a shot to try out. I'm not wasting my life on a maybe
@@NPCdeathMachine As someone who's worked with ALL the services, do NOT do what the Air Force does. It may be a 'great way of life,' but it's no way to run a military.
I served my country for almost 22 years in both the US Army and USMC. I had multiple combat tours to Iraq, Afghanistan, and other parts of the middle east and Africa. I retired as a Cavalry Scout platoon Sergeant (SFC). I have told my son and any young person that asks me to never, never, never join the US Military. The reasons are simple. Military Leadership, at the command levels, is absolutely horrific, the politicians that vote to send you over seas dont give a damn about the constitution, the courts have shredded our constitution to the point that its almost irrelevant, the government will lie to you, the military does not train true warriors anymore, and the list goes on and on. I will never, never, never tell anyone that they should join the military. The cost to benefit ratio, no im not talking about pqid benefits, is just too damn high.
@roselynholloway7863 The military has to revamp their entire training process. From basic training all the way through professional leadership courses that focuses on military tradition, war fighting skills, accountability, and true leadership. That list can be endless. They also have to stop taking valuable field training time away from the soldiers in favor of woke policy power point classes. At one time we held our senior military Leadership accountable when incidents or mishaps occurred. We've stopped doing that. Our Senior Leaders must be held to the same accountability standard, and higher standards, as our lower ranking enlisted and officer personnel are. The military also must get out of the business of appeasement in politics. Politics has absolutely no place in the US Military. We need to go back to uniform and appearance standards when it comes to the field uniform and over weight troops. Etiquette standards also need to be reintroduced. I know that sounds like petty things but all of those things add up to discipline and good order. Those two things are the life blood of the US Military. Also in order to even make Colonel you should have Combat Command experience. We should also bar Senior Leaders that have direct authority over contracts, research, and development from being able to work for any Government Contractor within five years after leaving service. These are just a few of the things that need to change. There are many more. This is a rot that has touched every piece of the military.
I agree with what you say! At Ft Drum there was alot of "do as I say, not as I do!" If an officer or Sgt has marital problems, they lash out. Why not preach and teach the standard, from day one? Not have "flexible" standards.
@user-nq4ur5cg7w would the marines train corp increase my pencil size i been dealing with depression lately bc of yk in i reall dont care what i have to do to achieve ik its wired but i need answers i an will to help my country and other if needed tell me something please i just need what in would to get at least 2 more inches.
I think you’re right. Why should a young man serve a corrupt form of government. It’s only going to get worse. There was a time when serving the United States meant something. There was a time when it was a highly honorable thing to do to serve your country. Today, people have zero respect for politicians and the way they mismanage the country. It’s a shame but we are in a very dark period. They say all empires come to an end due to imploding from within. It took Rome thousands of years. It won’t take more than another 20 years tops for the end to come, it’s happening now. But, maybe that’s a good thing. Why would anyone want to put their life on the line for Nancy Pelosi or the Washington crowd? So, I agree 100% with you. I don’t advocate helping to destroy the country. Just let it crumble and worry about what is important to you, your family and your well-being. Btw, thank you for your service and your honest opinion. Many military people that have previously served feel the same way. If things change and people start having a sense of morals and live ethically, which I doubt, then I could see a person willing to serve, but not this politically woke farce.
You are right about the word of mouth piece for sure. I did 6 years in the Army from 05 to 11, and I would not tell my son to join the Army for any reason. It was not all a negative experience, but when you look at the toxic leadership, the messed up promotion system, the out of control sexual harrasment/assault, the extremely high optempo and the terrible VA system... I think I would tell my son to take his chances in the civilian world.
Seeing the mistreatment of my brother I’m glad I didn’t join. He went in, served 6 years active as a 68W and got wrecked due to the physical demands of the job, came back home with zero job prospects and 80% disabled, of which the disability alone can’t sustain him in this broken economy. Hearing from a lot of service members that will parrot a similar experiences or how the VA just sucked… who would want to go into that? So yeah it’s not a surprise that the recruiters aren’t making their mission year after year. There’s also a lot of other reasons to not join that in my mind vastly outweigh any benefits. Currently our country is incredibly divided, so if you feel like the government doesn’t have your best interests at heart then I can see why people wouldn’t want to then join.
This is a big issue people end up being disabled by trying to join and start a new life. Then get no help or reliable hospital care that they need. It’s such a shame
If he has any problems with employment then file an unemployablility claim for the remaining 20%, taking him to 100%. The VA Comp is a lot higher so may as well do it.
@rowe2002 Air Force is probably harder to get in, perhaps other than the Marines you should consider trying another branch. It's true though that all the transparancy to medical records (because of computers) is getting many possible recruits truned down.
The word of mouth is definitely a big problem, the military has a terrible reputation and all they do is talk to fix it. They need to follow through with actions.
Son is 23, he’s currently at tech training. There were almost 500 graduating with him, Air Force. Yes, there’s less people joining but they’re still joining just hard to get in on some of the branches. Also, he was the last one being recruited by the recruiter he had (yes was redundant). I’m happy for him and he’s happy on his decision.
@taylorrowe2002 not blaming anyone here. It’s too bad that you can’t waiver something like that, but it sounds that in your case might be a life or death situation a nut allergy. And tattoos don’t help either on that decision for the branches (I’m not against them I do love tattoos), but now they’re making exceptions even for that because of low recruitment. And I admit it he took the asvab twice so he really wanted to join. He studied hard getting tutoring at his college, and on top of that he was finishing his semester before going to BMT. He hard work paid off.
@@Mcbignuts I don’t think you understand how allergies work lol 🤣youre either a child that’s not even in High school or a Man child who stays on Reddit or 4 Chan all day ……. Obviously having Allergies can affect you either severely or mildly but allergies can literally not affect you at all other then giving you a mild sensation for example some people are allergic to shrimp or crawfish but they can eat those foods just fine all that will happen is just their mouths start to get tingly or numb ……. Allergies are separate from actually being healthy lol and FYI a large portion of Soldiers recruits / people already enlisted have allergies 💀
No one will ever treat you better than when they want something from you. If you're not treated well on the way in people are going to get the message.
I wanted to serve so badly. Made a couple mistakes at 13 but I was told due to the original arrest charges being a lot I wasn’t allowed even tho I showed the disposition. I made changes such as getting my ged at 16(didn’t know it would look bad because In civilian work it’s a good look because I went to college early)attending college and about to graduate with my degree at 19/20. My asvab was about 66 and It sucks I can’t serve my beautiful country however I can’t sit and cry about not being a soldier. I’m going to France to join the French foreign legion and after 5 years I plan on trying to join the gign. The US is amazing and beautiful and my mistakes I own up to them however, if I’m only viewed as a criminal by the us and can’t redeem my actions I might as well just become one smh. It’s a joke but you get what I mean. France will give me the chance and I’m looking forward to risking my life for a nation that will give me the opportunity.
@@sdot266 I was adjudicated a delinquent which unfortunately decided I should take the plead deal since I grew up poor with no lawyer. I was struck by another student and we fought but due to me being a angry kid I wanted to continue. However that made me the aggressor and then when the cop tried tackling me I slapped his hand out the way as well as my teacher because I was asking why am I getting introuble when defending myself. Just the hand and I got charged with battery on eod and battery on school personal. I made the mistake however I was devistated when told I could not join but on to moving forward.
I’m also thinking of joining the military in my country (Sweden) as a soon to be 20 year old (December). 1 year of high school left. But I also have always have the thinking and idea of becoming a swat member in the police since being a young kid 😁
You sure you want to do that and not go the rotc rough? You can get college paid for, get an education, and be a second lieutenant in 4 years. Also you can enjoy your young years and college life.
The major issue I saw while in the Army, was why limit soldiers to 8 years as lower enlisted? What is so inherently wrong with being good and proficient at your job? IMO, toxic leadership really stems from people that never should have been placed in leadership roles in the first place
You make a good point. Before 1984 the Army allowed lower ranks to serve for much longer and they also had non-NCO pay grades for technical MOS’s so it was common to see a SPC5 or SPC6 which was the same as E-5 and E-6 but they didn’t have the same responsibilities as an NCO. It’s possible that rank structure may be used again as the Army looks for ways to keep the positions filled with good people for longer terms.
@@echohunter4199 If they want to the President and Congress will re-institute the draft. IF WW3 happens, and it looks like it is, then the recruitment shortfalls won't mean a damn thing because the draft will happen.
Gen Z here. Joined in 2017 wanting to make the army a career. Fast forward a couple years and I couldnt wait to get out. The army is absolutely misersble. I was an 11b (infantryman) and that translated to professional janitor. Im out now and going to university full time. Im also a EMT and arguably get more "action" than I would have ever gotten in the military.
@@himehime1629 I would never be a lifer. Reclassing does nothing. I had buddies reclass into a bunch of other MOS's and they still arent having a good time
@@himehime1629 The army is still the army regardless of MOS. The retained lifers are usually guys who cannot function and be successful on the outside.
Hell yeah man, i’m currently in an EMT program and should be taking the NREMT in august. The “action” you talk about seems like something i’ll see way more of in the first responder field than the military field. i plan on commissioning after college but not a lifer. f that.
No one is talking about how Genesis is making it harder for older people also. I'm 30 and have been to MEPS three times now. Every fucking time it catches something new and pushes me back. I'm going for the 4th time next week. #DETERMINED!
Everybody's experience with the military is vastly different it's just unfortunate that more people are having bad experiences with the military than good experiences, and that's very telling!
@@Emaninthenavy likewise💪🏾,I've been doing hella research on almost everything about the military so ik exactly what I'm getting my self Into I'm debating on the army and the navy I have no clue
@@0fficialwillie understandable and Samee but that’s your personal choice fam cs any branch is good in there own ways but I choose the navy cs Ik it’s a lot I can make of my self in there yk
One of the best things i ever done joining the AF. 4 years in the Philippines, 4 years in Korea. I have 2 sons who i raised as a single parent. My youngest son is in the AF. Started out as a AB, now he's a Capt with over 15 years in. Military life is not for everyone. Getting up everyday and being on time for work isn't for everyone either. Military life was easy for me. If you go in at 18 you could be done by 38 in time to do other things.
As a retiree, this is one of the best times to enlist. By and large, you can get the job you want, your competition is low, promotion opportunities are vast, and the medical and retirement benefits are well worth it.
So I'll talk about the reasons I left the Canadian Military. For the longest time I felt shame, I had desperately wanted to be in the armed forces because I love military tech/geopolitics , I wanted to serve abroad/have an adventure, creating comradery, and I had 0 clue what i was going to do out of school. I ended up not even going through basic training. At the time I had a lot on my plate with University, part time job and military so I cut the military out. So for a long time I felt like I coward out and part of me really wanted to go back. But I slowly changed my perception on the matter over time. So fear of death/dismemberment/life altering injuries is an obvious 1st reason, but I think the fear is more towards dying for no real reason and sure we're 100 years removed from World War One run into machine guns, but we're not so far removed from Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq, wars that in my opinion, should not have happened in the first place and were a loss of life for little to no gain. Then it comes to what exactly am I fighting for? Protecting Canada and its citizens? No one is really threatening us nowadays and those that are either have extensive nuclear armaments or are Islamic extremist that live half way across the world, and its extremists our leaders helped create by sending over the military in the first place. So then that brings us to leaders and the question of are you really wanting to die just because some high ranking people tell you to go somewhere, despite them lying to you e.g. "weapons of mass destruction" or assuming on the off chance that they aren't lying (which is highly unlikely considering all the other unnamed lies that aren't even related to the military that they already peddle/cover up e.g. BLM riots was a "peaceful protest"), that they send you to die for a conflict that they are utterly detached from? Add on to those questions the utter state of western culture where traditional families and children are looked down upon, rampant abortions, hook up / open relationships, the very little pay in the military, the inflation, the persistant online/social media attack on "white, european, american, male" culture or even overtly with destruction of statues, churches, unchecked illegal immigration to replace failing birth rates, the CONSOOOMMM mentality where people define themselves through movies, video games ficntional characters, or even the objects they own in their home instead of our fore fathers, national heroes, great men, great deeds, architectural feats, a unifying myth or epic or justified war etc. All of this and much more makes me question, do I even WANT to protect our current country and culture? Ok it's not EVERYONE that is "woke" for lack of a better term but our leaders in charge now are all part of this "woke" culture that has permeated at every level of our societies. Would I really want to throw my life for our current culture and values of hedonism, selfloathing and anti-freedom (Covid lockdowns/corporate wage slaves i.e. working endless hours for very little benefits and a salary that doesn't adjust to inflation and with no propect of retirement or raising a family)? TLDR Why fight and die for a country that is slowly declining in population and culture and who's leaders don't give 2 shits about you?
I don't disagree with anything you just said, and a lot of it is identical to why I have refrained from joining as well. But off purely selfish reasons, there's there is redeeming value in joining. There's trades you can learn, there's a golden star that you can put on a resume & call yourself a veteran (which helps employers save money on taxes for hiring you), and you can make friends in it. You can honestly transform your service from serving a bunch of bureaucrats to serving with people you care about and lifelong contacts you'll maintain.
@@jackp.richardson6415 So I agree that it can help you learn trade skills and the other two reasons are great as well. But being able to call yourself a Veteran and serving with and for your friends is all possible because we live in a time of relative peace You kind of have to gamble that the powers that be don't decide to go to war so that 1. you can SURVIVE to call yourself a Veteran and 2. you can hopefully NEVER have watch your friends die one by one
Amen brother. The military has lost focus on the things that matters, America desperately needs to regain focus on realistic things and regain focus on things that wich actually have any significance whatsoever.
I’m an Air Force vet, did 15 years. Every year the DoD came out with another hoop to jump through to stay in. In 2014 they kicked out a shit ton of people. I got forced out for HYT in 2018. I would have retired this March. You think you can piss that many people off and they’ll want their children to enlist? Having family in the military is the greatest recruitment tool there is. Personally, I think we are in a position technologically where we can pull everybody back from overseas and simply defend our own land. We could cut the defense budget by 80% and save hundreds of billions of dollars.
Well the problem is that the president is doing so much dirt on this country I’m surprised anyone is joining at all we are a laughing stock to the world ! If you can’t find a president who. A lead people that’s exactly what will happen is nobody will enlist you won’t have a military at all !!
I missed out on the college years. While my friends were out partying and getting laid in college I was busy doing dumb crap. I'll never be young again and completely missed out on those post high school years. When I got out I was 25 and starting all over again because there is no need for an artilleryman in the real world.
@@EnvysWRLD your academic career has to be approved which can be slow and they can outright say no and give you a list of selectable options that don't pertain to what you actually want to do. going into sleep study or archeology your going to pay out of pocket.
I joined in 2018 at the age of 26 for the GI Bill. My experience was absolute hell. As soon as I got to Reception, I knew I had fucked up, and I wanted to go home. But I didn't because I come from a Military family and didn't want to be made fun of. I picked Fueler because it was the shortest contract. Fueler is usually filled with young kids who were suckered in by their recruiter because they had low test scores. I didn't have low test scores. I picked Fueler because it was a 3-and-a-half-year contract with a 20k bonus. I was a great student in College. I managed to get accepted as a transfer student in UCLA, UCI, and UC Berkeley Registered Nursing programs (Nursing programs are impossible to get into in California). I managed to get into some State schools as well. I would be taking out loans because I needed to live in dorms as the programs I entered were not close to home. The military is not the only stepping stone. But the VA is going to be giving me disability checks for life. I get the GI Bill and the VR&E, which is two GI Bills. I hate the Army, but the benefits after are freaking sweet.
@taylorrowe2002Honestly they need to make it easier for veterans to rejoin the military or join other branches. These are the people who spent time in the real world and have had a chance to shed their toxic behaviors. It's crazy to me how they focus so heavily on new recruits when clearly they don't want to join.
My son is an Airborne 11B and loving it. If you want to serve, go for it. Serving is more than the money you dont make starting off. Contrary to people stuntin' on social media, people serve because they want to commit to something bigger.
This kind of thinking is outdated. A lot of young people don’t have trust in the government and political agendas of those who are in charge. They don’t want to risk their lives just to end up a number on a chart.
“People want to commit to something bigger.” Like what? Please explain to me what’s so good about fighting for the military industrial complex. Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Somalia, vietnam was a failure. I’m not going overseas to fight for a billionaire’s interests.
@@draco_1876 Individuals figure that out for themselves. You stated that's not you. Clearly those of us who took oath thought that was primarily the goal.
@@alchemicalsoul Joining for the benefits is outdated because companies such as Walmart, Publix, McDonalds etc have tuition reimbursement for college, trade school etc. At that point the GI bill isn't worth the minimum 4 years of hardship. But health benefits such as free healthcare/VA loan (and possibility VA disability if your lucky) could be worth it for some.
I was thinking of training for and applying to the royal marines as an officer, but the main reason why I decided against it is I have absolutely no love for my government or the country I live in. I would've been able to overlook the poor pay and prospects, even the danger, but knowing that ultimately I would be fighting to protect a government and rulers that are ripping apart my country and everything it stands for was enough to make me think that maybe my efforts would be best spend elsewhere.
Don’t quit posting new videos and really good advices. Thank you for service 🇺🇸and thank you for trying your best to help others. Next year, I really want to join Army National Guard to serve and protect our nation and the help out the world as well.
I wrote a college researcher paper on a topic similar to this. It was about why the military (particularly the Army) has had to switch to more social media tactics over traditional methods such as calling people and through emails.
@taylorrowe2002 Planning on joining the Navy next year but Im afraid of MEPS becaue I have chronic hives. It doesnt really affect my life as long as I take an antihistamine pill everyday. I have all the motivation to join but Im anxious on gettin disqualified for this
The Marine Corps was a nightmare to me, I had to do everything in my mind to find a way out. But not all Armed Service is that bad. My brother was an Air Force Captain and he loved it. Just remember it's your life don't throw it away on something you are unsure about in the first place. X-Marine
I served for 6 years, in my contract I had SLRP (student loan repayment program) & it was very very difficult to to get signed up to receive the funds EVEN THOUGH IT WAS IN MY CONTRACT. So now I have over $20k in student loans that I have to pay for because to military failed to honor the contract. These are the type of reasons that soldiers are not re-enlisting into the military.
The military will do you like that. My understanding of the student loan repayment program is that ,they will pay bay the initial loan but not the interest.
Here is my opposition to joining, the pay is awful. The benefits i can see are great but its a benefit and not actual dollars in your pocket. Here is what they should do, ive seen the pay scale, it is ok, pay needs to increase substantially, +20%, and allow people to quit and put in a 2 week notice. Ive also seen somewhere where a manager cannot be fired without a year's worth of paperwork. so make it easier to fire people who are managers b/c if I had a manager tell me to tell me F this or F That and screaming at me or talking down to me so if you had better management people would join. The culture of treating people like garbage is a deterrent.
I was in the army during desert storm. And I have to say that a lot of what I see now is a society of young people who don’t see anything worth fighting for. And definitely not risking their lives for. I was in a combat medic and I did my time then got out for the same reasons as we see now. I made 4x more money for my family while not risking my life. Recruits were given a little card they could wave around if they got to stressed out. (Who wants that person fighting next to you!?) And I saw extremely toxic leadership towards the end that convinced me that it was time to go. I too am glad I got to serve my country and better myself. But I wouldn’t tell anyone to necessarily join today. And that’s really sad because our country needs good soldiers now more than ever.
As a gen z I don't condone the military. What spooks me is the way vets are treated, not to mention the access of easy info hasn't done much for the us gov/militaries case. I've learned some things about thr usa that makes it hard to die for my country.
You're a bit late to the party but it's ok. I feel it important to inform you that not condoning things your govt does is a quality of living in a republic.
I think it’s the pay honestly, nobody’s going to willingly experience the worst of humanity and see horrible things and possibly die for a gov that don’t care and to be homeless when you get home lol
One of the reasons I had doubts about joining was the low pay of about 20k a year. They should increase it to 30k. Another are the corrupt politicians getting rich of contracts and policing the world. Military should be defensive only and not get involved in other countries affairs.
4:09, navy vet here; they got rid of the high-20 pension in 2017, so you can no longer do 20 years and retire if you're joining for the first time. They replaced it with BLS, which is similar to the 6% matched 401k I have, but it's shittier. Private sector still sucks because corporations don't keep wages up with inflation, but if someone could get free college, go to college, and even get an equivalent pension from a corporation in their home town or state, then why would they even join and be forced to be away from home and all they know and love? My biggest regret from joining was being away from my family for so long. You cannot buy time back, and the zoomers are smart enough to realize this.
I think the Iraq and Afghan wars did a lot to damage the credibility of the Military-however the treatment of veterans and their inability to get healthcare services they were promised is telling
As a Naval Veteran who was in from 2001-2006 I garuntee you that most veterans who were in around the same time feel that the military got exactly what they deserved.....Most of us loved our country & wanted to continue to serve it, but got pushed out 1st enlistment due to something called higher tenior that basically meant unless you were a perfect sailor your first enlistment we don't want you.
One huge factor that causes most to be ineligible is this justice system that messes people's record up. Even for people like me who have never resulted to violence or done any bad in our lives. I ended up with a Domestic Violence record over dating the wrong abusive woman. This woman is my baby mama and she would result in the one record that defeats all my chances of ever joining any military for the rest of my life. Not only that this happened when I barely turned 18 years old. My plan had always been to join the Marine Corps, and especially when my son was born and I wanted to be the man he needed to raise him right. I didn't grow up with my father because he was wrongfully convicted of a murder which even the victims family denied it was my father, but yet the judge still declared my father guilty. And because of that I've always visited him in jail and prison. I never wanted to end up there, especially because my dad is a very good man. He's taught me to stay away from drugs if I don't need it, stay away from alcohol and bad friends. I did just that. Not because of him entirely but rather because I myself don't like drugs or alcohol. I'm sure we all have some bad friends everywhere. But this all comes back to me and my baby mama. When I was told by a social worker to report my baby mama to the police. I took their advice and did just that. Expecting justice to be served, as any victim would see it. Instead I was the primary suspect since they got there. My baby mama made it seem as though I tried to rape her. She lied and said her hitting me was in self defense, when in reality I was the one who had to defend myself from getting my eye gouged out. Also from getting stabbed. Did the police care though about my statement? No they didn't. Instead I got taken into custody and had to await my arraignment in court which was the worst night of my life being in jail as a victim. I couldn't believe what was going on. My family didn't care and didn't try to help me at all. Instead they all knew about my baby mama but didn't get me a lawyer. Which it turns out any lawyer would've made sure I would've never had this record and my baby mama would've been in jail for certain. Now I have a domestic violence record, I'm 21 and still can't get a good job anywhere because of it. I'm trying to scrape together 3k to pay for a pardon, and no I'm not asking for money, I'm working for it. So don't think I'm asking for anything, please. My goal is to eventually join the military and be a marine or join the air force. I know so much about the military and have so many skills that I know I would be useful in there. I just hope things work out because I have two kids I want to be a good role model for them. As you can imagine till this day I'm still getting the worst type of behavior out my baby mama, and obviously no one cares about it because the system makes every male look like a evil monster. I also want to post videos online but it's hard to post when nothing positive in my life has come up. And that's what I want to share with my subscribers the most. Thank you for reading if you got this far, and please make sure you date the right woman before you end up where I'm at. I can't tell you how bad this record is, but I'm sure everyone could imagine. Have a blessed day
If you believe an army commercial with two moms is the reason why no one wants to join instead of being over workerd, under appreciated, treated like shit simply because those above you can treat you like shit, and a high likely hood of overall horrible quality of life, you need to bring yourself back to reality.
Bottom line, 4 years serving, especially if you get even just a secret clearance, keeping out of trouble, be smart with your money and save, getting out one and done can set you up for a pretty good middle class life much quicker and better than a shitty Amazon or UPS warehouse job. Yes, there are parts of it that are ass and it sucks some days, but if you can make it through and make the most out of your time in, the payoff will be worth your while
Well said! That's why the military wouldn't be nearly as effective without contractors (veterans) that were trained the right way. I joined in 2000 and I can honestly say when they stopped shining boots and first heard of stress cards in basic I started noticing the reduction in warriors! Of course those things were not the reason for the problem but that's when I started noticing the change! You summed it up perfectly tho!
I tried joining the military recently and I managed to get all the way through my MEPS process and Genesis caught a “Sauce-on-the-side attempt” that I had in 2020 and I had made a huge recovery and had gotten myself together but nope, I was considered a suicidal maniac in the commanders eyes and I ended up getting grilled by my recruiter for “wasting his time”. I thought that I could support an ok life for my gf and our future but just because I was at a really low point in my life it ruined my chances.
Hey man, I understand what you were going through and I'm sorry they treated you that way. Obviously the commander and recruiter did not. I'm extremely impulsive and I tried to take one too many pills if you know what I mean. I've now made a full recovery and I'm out looking for a civilian cybersecurity job. It does suck that we can't join, but there's always better jobs out there. Keep your head up man. Best of luck!
Tell the recruiter to fuck himself. You can try enlisting at another MEP station. If there is an area that has more trouble recruiting you can move there.
You don't join the military to get rich? With the federal government's preference for hiring veterans and contracting with veteran-owned companies, along with the in-service training and GI Bill for college that get you across the doorstep and into some other careers... yes, you pretty much do get richer than you could otherwise have hoped to, by joining the military. It's the only escape from our national poverty trap that I ever came across. It's about getting your foot in the door with the over-all military industrial complex which dominates the economy. One thing to keep in mind though, the only thing recruiters can help you with is actually joining. They don't have honest answers about anything. If you want to know something, you have to talk to other people who have actually served.
Agree. The military can help you quite a bit with financial gain if you are on the lower end economically. Even if you don't do 20 years and retire because nowadays we have the blended retirement system.
As a veteran I truly believe no one is joining is the new culture we live in, the world of social media and we are too sensitive to everything. No one wants to work hard anymore, always looking for an easy way out.
I'm going to break it down from my perspective into (2) parts. From a Veteran Perspective (USN: 2013-2017 [Active Duty] & 2017-2021 [IRR]). 6 Reasons Not to Join: 1.) Military Life is a tough life. Period. 2.) If you are not prepared to risk your life or take a life then don't join. (The bullets, missiles, rockets, guns, tanks, ships and planes are not their for show and tell. If you aren't using the war machine then you are supporting/maintaining the war machine. You are an accomplice.) 3.) There's more opportunity now than there was in the past. (I joined during the Recession 2008-2013.) 4.) You aren't guaranteed to make it to a career. (Always at-will. You can get discharged for any stupid reason.) 5.) You are going to work with a lot of difficult personalties everyday. 6.) Toxic leadership. 6 Reasons to Join: 1.) Post 9/11 G.I Bill. (College paid for. No debt. Pay you to go to school. Huge deal. A lot of people are in college debt. Many will never pay off that college debt. Facts.) 2.) VA Home Loan (No down payment. You can own up to 2 properties at once. Low interest rate. Easier to qualify.) 3.) Federal/State Career Benefits. (I work for the Federal Government and your military time counts towards your retirement. Did 4 years. Just need to do 26 years to get full 30 year pension. I'll be retired by 58 years old. Paid for life. Same as the military pension plan.) 4.) You meet good friends for life and travel to cool places. 5.) You build good habits. (Ex. Structure, Discipline, Good Planning, Good Nutrition/Fitness, Attention to Detail [I dress better. Good eye for fashion/decoration.], Learn to Fight/Survive, etc.) 6.) Greater appreciation for the nation that you live in. (Many people take their freedoms for granted.) I don't regret joining and to me it made me a better person than I was in the past. :)
US Army 19D 2008-2011; deployed to Iraq in 2009. I would never advise for a person to enlist, especially not now. There is NO conflict you're going to be apart of where you're actually defending your home, your family, and the USA itself. We were basically glorified mercenaries who fought on behalf of foreign and corporate interests. To these people at the top, the soldier, sailor, marines, and airmen are expendable meat-bags. Never put your life on the line for people who would never do the same for you, and never fight because someone told you to do so. The leadership of the military is shit and the long-term operations they engage in is shit. The only thing holding our military together is the NCO's. Just remember young people reading this: The military is NOT what it was and it is NOT what you think it is. You are not going to be fighting for our freedom.
I think no one is joining because a lot of veterans don't recommend you to go. Like when you hear stories of veterans they are always bad and they always talk about how they use you and dispose of you as soon as your not good for the military.
Im in the air force reserve and I Honestly enjoy the millitary Because, How certain people are really doesnt bother me but at the end of the day I know certain people can be wrong I got to the point where I feel like The millitary and the civilian life is kinda the same because Theres plenty of toxic leaders/supervisors in the civilian world I have ran into any toxic leadership in the millitary yet or anything horrible but I wanna go active duty soon because I kind of need a change.
Got out in April after 8 years. I would say if yall really thinking about joining, wpuld seriously do some research and ask people in. Was a Supply NCO. Pay/Benefits are good but when you mix that with the fact its not a 9-5 (and can be called 24/7 sometimes weekends) and be expected to perform. Family is preached about being important but Misson will ALWAYS come first dont matter peoples circumstances. Dont even want to talk about the mental assistance. Had a BH therapist who refused to see me while she was on emergency room detail meanwhile a reseve MSG (also attached to my unit) was able to get to chat with her. I was really messed up in head and already had to wait 2 months for the appointments unless you say your suicidal. Showed up late to formation by 2 minutes (due to various life reason) lost half my paycheck for 2 months. Was told i needed to be an example for others to a broken pt on your own, in the gym meet-up. They dont take soldiers serious in that i have live a jacked up life before i joined. I did not join to be treated like a child in some aspects (micromanged sections) then handed a fully loaded M4 to guard a disarmed armory. If it was a normal job would have quit right there. The reasons i can give are endless. The Army is not for everyone and even now more so then ever. My ex wife also joined during my last 2 years and she cheated on me with married 18year and got pregnant in AIT. The Army did investigation so i can get results to court. However the couldnt find anything (apparently while she is ballooning like a whale) she placed child on my SGLI so thats how i knew she had a child and the time frame. But if i could say one positive, you will met very few people who are genuinely good people. During the time i was going through these issues. A SFC and his wife used to make me food and drive it to my house and man i will never forget that SFC, (Now a 1SG!!!). Im all over the place but seen it all in those 8years. Everything but real combat :/ Now i am married live on Europe and have a job/ part study as a Mechanical Engineer creating Analyzers. Good luck to all and if anyone wants more info let Id be happy to provide if i have experiance.
been waiting a month and half just to get cleared from my pre screen because of my past history, i do understand they take their own time but at this point im like about to just forget it. There are people that really wanna join but they dont make it worth it , that why gen Z dont wanna join because you are asking someone to risk their life but you dont make it worth it, great benefits but you can do better pay also, amongst other things
Military Leadership is absolutely terrible. I've been blessed in the leadership I've had and even then I have plenty of examples of nepotism. Can only imagine what it would be like to have some of the legitimately toxic CoCs some of my fellow service members have told me they had.
Gen Z here who's going through the OCS application process rn: I've spoken to a lot of friends who are 1st LTs and a lot of family friends who are Colonels and Generals. Some of the big concerns I've heard is you won't be rich, the current leadership is incompetent, retirement/bonuses not as good as they use to be, and wokeness is a major issue especially if you branch a non-combat arms MOS. Some of the guys I've spoken with such as 1st LT and a scrolled Ranger both cited wokeness as their #1 reason for not renewing contracts along with the Army being in full peace time mode. Still joining (don't need the money its for the experience and training) and hopefully the Army rediscovers its identity.
Went to Army OCS in 2012. Everything you say is true. Also we were used as janitors and landscapers at hhc for months. Had my commission stolen a few weeks before graduation because of over recruitment. Long story... OCS is a game of going at the right time. Get a direct commission and avoid OCS if they are washing out tons of people otherwise you will find yourself as a laundry specialist enlisted like my friend when they wrote down on the wromg number on his final PT test. I wised up and found a legal loophole to get out. Trust me you don't want that.
I am a millennial in the U.S. Army Reserve and I am shocked by how badly prevalent the wokeness is. I thought the armed forces was a much more conservative organization.
I liked being in the Navy until i got to my 1st unit. They tried to sabotage my check in so i would be flagged as AWOL. Then when i treated a patient with life threatening injuries and the E-6 that was the IDC(independent duty corpsman) of the field clinic said to the EMS guys when they arrived "that boot didnt save anybody and IDGAF cuz i was on SEAL team 6" the EMS guys said they were shocked to see that SEAL leadership conducted themselves in that type of way but i told them that he was just their Independent Duty Corpsman and that he is not a SEAL, he doesn't have a trident on his uniform. The got soo pissed that they reported him to the parent command and since my unit was blacklisted for many reasons nobody got heald accountable for not giving us the gear needed to treat the marines injuries is hopes something would go wrong and make us look bad so they look better. Its probably worse all around in the military now and im glad i retired when i did. I dont blame people for not wanting to join but all the problems can easily be fixed if they just listened to all active duty service members, especially the newest and youngest ones 👍🏾
Thanks for this. I was thinking joining navy nurse corp but not anymore. Considering all the sexual assault and disrespect and recruiting lies. I'll check the airforce
From what I know, the Marine Corps is having the most success recruiting, just reaching its FY recruiting goal. I believe it’s partly due to the culture there just barely clinging on to that hooah mentality. This is something all the other branches have sadly already lost. Personally, I find it that is no more pride in what we do in the military. Moral is at an all time low, despite getting treated better than 10-20 years ago. In recent times, we’ve been sent on wars that frankly cause more destruction than good, ultimately filling the pockets of mega defense corporations. All of this at the expense of young American lives. I do think the Army is moving in the right direction in regards to many things such as moving away from the Vietnam era hazing type culture. We need to follow leaders based off of respect, not simply authority. (In other words, leaders who lead, not tell you what to do!) We are ultimately here to fight wars, not to cater to someone’s “identity” or feelings. The solution is also easier than it might seem. I think you make up great points in your video and definitely think the DoD could take some notes!
Tell that to big military, who force people who either aren’t fit to lead or aren’t willing to lead. Start creating incentives for people to be better leaders and start talking to subordinates about their leaders and make their advancement highly dependent on what their co workers say about them and what they bring to the organization (the army is starting a program that mirrors this called “Pegasus”; they teach it in BLC now). They’re gonna need to force a great deal of people out though.
build people up instead of blocking them. I recently enlisted and fought the Genesis program tooth and nail to join, because of the Military's outdated view on ADHD. I know plenty of people just don't know enough about the military to know what they even want to start doing in the military. When I was at MEPS I heard the words "I'd do a better job if they just payed me more, ya know?" from one of the staff guys. We don't do enough to make that stage of becoming a recruit approachable, it's very artificial and as someone who really wanted to join, it was probably the most uncomfortable bit of paperwork, and medical examinations I've ever done. In the guard for example, they luckily have a few ways of helping people be in better shape, and increase their military knowledge through RSP, and programs like Stripes for Skills. But that active army really needs to get on that, same with the other branches. Cause right now besides people who really want to join, just because, the signing bonuses are the only real incentive, and that's only if your really desperate for some quick cash.
Was this a ADHD diagnosis that you received as a child ? And how long had you been off medication before going to Meps and battling Genesis if you don’t mind me asking since I feel like I might be in the same boat I was diagnosed with adhd as a kid had a counselor for this ofc but I hadn’t gone to them in maybe 9-10+ years I’m 21 now and I’ve been off medication for the same amount of time pretty much it feels like this is the only thing that’s will drag me back
Been in the process due to medical process to join the Air Force for 9 months. I sat and waited because I wanted to join badly. It was bull because I didn’t have any issues but some issue was found later, 5 months after that first bs call on my eyes, I got a full eye exam at a different cities meps medical team and they couldn’t find any issues. 1 doctor fucked me over for 6 months because of an issue no one could see but him. But I’m going now at the end of the month. Edit: grammar fixes
I wanted to join the Air Force back in 2014 but I was denied my medical process at MEPs cuz of my severe allergic reaction to cashew. So the permanently banned me from joining any branch of the military.
I regret signing up for selective service. I was 17 when they sent me the card to enlist and I threw it in the garbage. I wasn't going to sign it as a minor. 6 months later they sent it again and this time I sent it in. Did it ever help me to get a federal job or a federal loan? nope. People lie all of the time when it asks if you registered for selective service, they just answer yes and they still get the job.
One thing the military can do is accept criminals who are physically fit. French Foreign Legion accepts criminals if they are not found guilty of murder or drug smuggling.
I remember my Drill Sergeant was fuming when I didn't graduate and I washed out - but as I have looked back on it, honestly, they got all the quality finds they could and really he shouldn't have been fuming like he was. Quality beats Quantity, and if they have a shortfall - oh well.
Been in the guard for over 3 years. Going to commission and go active. Honestly we could use the downsize, we have people that are too weak. Also retaining people, if you have highly motivated soldiers that wanna go to airborne and air assault or other schools and you tell them now, there gonna leave
I am currently in Army ROTC. I like it because I can still get a degree and enjoy the college life (meet new people, go to parties, etc). I can also get a good amount of my college paid for. Then I can start my military career as a officer.
@@Edjuyl It really is. I wish I was kidding, you can look at all the canadian army forums and people will talk about the wait time. it's complete f****ing bullsh**... like are we in the 1700s where we have people delivering our files by horseback?! In fact I'm pretty sure recruitment processes were faster back then.
We don’t want to join because we don’t want to fight a rich man’s war for 40k a year. We should stop worrying about being the police men of the world and only worry about defending our nation. If we were to get invaded everyone is pretty much strapped so I’m not worried about that part but as long as we have a strong fortress at home and a good economy we will be good. Who wants to give up their life for 40k to fight for oil. If the fight was for America it would be different but it’s not. You’re not saving Americans you’re legit fighting for money.
And Who do your think that “strong fortress” is? Without our military this country would’ve been Syria or Africa on steroids. Also being “strapped” doesn’t mean shit. You civilians think just because you have guns that you can kill off trained soldiers from an invading force, y’all will end up like Iraqi insurgents probably worse because at least AQ in Iraq weren’t afraid to die and lived in rougher settings that’s you ever will. You’re not the Vietcong you’re not revolutionaries, you’re not the taliban you can’t make landmines you don’t know how to make ieds or make an IV if you’re wounded you’re potheads with Wi-Fi that believe everything you see on a TH-cam video, Eat up baseless conspiracies and call yourselves “educated” cry over being alone or getting their hearts broken, listen to mumble rap, no combat or fighting experiences and have zero discipline in almost every field of your lives. And no one is being world police. Every country we’ve ever set foot in was because that host nation asked us to do so. No one here is fighting for oil.
People hate this country’s reputation especially gen z, why would we want to fight for a country that’s treated it’s people so terribly and we’re just forced to accept it?
@@chrissywhatHD That's long, I went to my recruiter in may, went to meps etc and my ship out date is august 1st currently in DEP. I think it really depends on schedule and the job you get
@@pariswilliams658 I got services and vehicle management, ill be reaching out soon to put more jobs in there like security forces and fuels hopefully. They say it’s projected for December-January but my friend who left already met a few others who are doing Services already. Not sure what to do at this point
It comes with a sense of understanding and humbleness and also just dealing with shit. There are terrible quality places in the military and I just deal with it and it doesn’t bother me at all. It’s all in your head in reality. Learning to deal with shit helps you mature and grow as a person. You can’t come in with a spoiled entitled mentality. Joining the military is a good way to mature and become a better person, but that comes with you putting in the effort to change and be different. From age ranges 18-26 when your brain is still developing. I see the military as developing your brain significantly higher. It comes with failure and being called a failure so you can learn and become a better person when you leave the military.
Everyone in every city in the US has seen homeless veterans drinking/doing drugs on the streets. And the government still has the gall to ask us why we don't want to join the military.
I joined the army in 1988. Back then jobs were hard to come by and most people joined because we could not find a job. Today jobs are more plenty and like you said they offer benefits that rival the military
It sucks to have a felony and be a bit over age but the recruiter tells you you can't serve, I feel most who learned and are trying to move forward deserve a chance to serve
this is so true cause im 18 years old and i have a few people saying I'm dumb for joining the military but i look at them and see what they doing all they do is sitting in there parents house and couch surfing good video keep it up man
@@DanDaFreakinMan with very few alternatives to keep a healthy physical and social life, I feel like the military is a very good place to start off at when you don't know exactly where you want to go in your adult life yet. Saying you're smart because you aren't interested in joining the military is pretty fucking arrogant if you ask me
@@ChickentNug It's a good place to start your mental illness trial more like. Unless you're lucky you won't be getting no healthy social life there. It's full of asshats looking to fuck with you and the only way you'll make it out fine is if you're either a) an asshat as well and is part of a group that cover your back, or b) you keep your face low and avoid standing at as much as possible. I know all of this because I am, indeed, not smart and did join the Army. If you insist on joining the military, try Air Force or Coast Guard. The first one is probably the most gatekeeped branch, so less chance of thugs and crooks in there. The latter I heard it's fun and active apparently, but don't take my words for it.
@@DanDaFreakinMan even if you're intelligent life can force you into terrible situations with very little options for advancement, the military has always been such an option that can change an otherwise unfortunate person's destiny.
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The thing I don’t get about the military is that they are so desperate for people but the military still feels like a club where you have to jump all these hurdles just to get in.
I think at the end of the day they have to be selective because the job they’re applying for is a hard one. You have to prove that you’ll most likely be capable of the shit that’ll be expected of you because they dump a lot of money into each service member’s training and all that. If they weren’t selective about it, think about how many people would get injured and get processed out or how many people would straight up just quit. This already happens a ton with how selective they are now so it would just waste more money.
Your so lost
Your not going to be a plumber or a trash man. Ahahahaha your so lost son
Yes, most of those hurdles come from the stupid Genesis system! That wasn't a thing when I was going through. Some solutions are just that simple. Who has 2 years to wait for a military job?
@@Art_Vandalay97did you serve
I think the biggest factor making people leave is the horrible leadership and how common it is. If you’re going to work and hate your job everyday because of some turd above you that will affect your decision to reenlist the most. However, if you’re enjoying your work and get good satisfaction out of what you do you might think about sticking it out for the 20.
Facts , usually the higher you go up the chain the more likely you are to be dealing Winthrop a fat incompetent fool who can’t be bothered to complete even the simplest tasks. It’s almost as smart people are less likely to re-enlist…. Not always of course… you do see high performers once in a while that rank up fast and young… but if it wasn’t for time in service being a factor for ranking up many would be SOL as a 20 year E3 😂
I agree! At Ft Drum, the S-1 "turds", infantry put into the personnel office, not actual S-1 soldiers, would be very selfish. Not help anyone, kick people out of the office. And power trip. You had to get a pass, like in school, signed by the 1st Sgt! The 1st Sgt had better things to do. Do they apologize? No! Do the ask for forgiveness? No! Being a supply clerk, I refused to supply them. They can moan and groan. But you can't. Ft Drum S-1 run by an inbread, a midget, and Steve Urkels gay stunt double!
when i was in as enlisted in early 90's there were plenty of aholes of all ranks, walks of life, be it x gang bangers, to hick country boys,
nothing worse than having a few NCOS that are aholes, and suffering from too many chiefs and not enough indians
@taylorrowe2002that’s such a shame. There’s got to be a way they can work around something as trivial as a peanut allergy🤦🏽
that's why i left ! tomorrow is my final out.
From an Army Veteran's perspective, the Army needs to focus on the quality of Recruits instead of the quantity of Recruits. That is what will improve the Army's discipline in the long run.
That's why I got chaptered out, I'm glad I got out of the ARMY during basic training, it wasn't worth it, I didn't care about my bonus, duty station, etc. I hated it....glad I got out and joining a different branch.
I’d agree, but the army is completely understrength. That just forces more work on everybody else because the army’s training tempo hasn’t slowed down, it’s actually sped up. That forces more work on everyone and burns them out within in a contract
Recruits need to be paid more and maybe offered more bonuses for retainment
Or leaders who aren't career cowards who run top cover for the man
couldnt have said it better
They find every excuse not to accept you. Then if they do they treat you like ish…then they have the nerve to ask why nobody is joining.
The Marine Corps has done a relatively good job of keeping its culture and traditions generally intact but the biggest problem that I saw was that no one wanted to reenlist because everyone felt like there was more opportunity in the civilian world. Even in total pog MOS’s it’s hard for a lot of folks to see long term career opportunities because of slow promotions, little opportunity for deployments or special training, and toxic leadership only looking out for themselves. Other branches do much better in these categories but have largely sacrificed their traditions and cultures in the process so I think it’d do well for them to go back to holding people to higher standards of discipline and not just assimilating with civilian culture the way they seem to now.
Or you can just do what the Air Force does and have little to no problem retaining people and attracting people.
If your culture sucks, your chain of command sucks, and the opportunities aren’t worth while then nobody is going to want to stay or join besides people that feel that have no option. They’re basically scared dogs scared of the world. That’s bad.
Start looking at what the Air Force is doing and that’ll help drastically.
@@NPCdeathMachine I'm a Marine vet and I have served on Air Force bases, and to be honest, I don't 100% agree with you on this. The mission and lifestyle of the Marines has to have a certain amount of Spartan edge to it. It maintains that combat ready attitude that we need since when the balloon goes up, we are the first ones out and upending our lives (no act of congress required). We have to have that get up and go heightened state of readiness. The Air Force is more relaxed. You need to be to handle your comparatively more cerebral and lower stress jobs. I'm not saying that hazing and 'wall to wall' counseling is always a necessary, but that tough as nails culture for Marines is there for a reason. Scaling it back, for the softer generation, I think in some ways is necessary. But abandoning it is a bad idea. I've seen it personally as an air winger.
Also a lot won't reenlist because the civilian world give better pay for less stress with the job. Why be a welder or engineer in the service when you can make $120k doing that at my job? With no PT or useless formations lol
Exactly I'm from a Marine family, but I picked the Army because they have ways to directly try out for special operations while the crops wants you to just go in and maybe after 5 years you can get a shot to try out. I'm not wasting my life on a maybe
@@NPCdeathMachine As someone who's worked with ALL the services, do NOT do what the Air Force does. It may be a 'great way of life,' but it's no way to run a military.
I served my country for almost 22 years in both the US Army and USMC. I had multiple combat tours to Iraq, Afghanistan, and other parts of the middle east and Africa. I retired as a Cavalry Scout platoon Sergeant (SFC). I have told my son and any young person that asks me to never, never, never join the US Military. The reasons are simple. Military Leadership, at the command levels, is absolutely horrific, the politicians that vote to send you over seas dont give a damn about the constitution, the courts have shredded our constitution to the point that its almost irrelevant, the government will lie to you, the military does not train true warriors anymore, and the list goes on and on. I will never, never, never tell anyone that they should join the military. The cost to benefit ratio, no im not talking about pqid benefits, is just too damn high.
What would you recommend instead
@roselynholloway7863 The military has to revamp their entire training process. From basic training all the way through professional leadership courses that focuses on military tradition, war fighting skills, accountability, and true leadership. That list can be endless. They also have to stop taking valuable field training time away from the soldiers in favor of woke policy power point classes. At one time we held our senior military Leadership accountable when incidents or mishaps occurred. We've stopped doing that. Our Senior Leaders must be held to the same accountability standard, and higher standards, as our lower ranking enlisted and officer personnel are. The military also must get out of the business of appeasement in politics. Politics has absolutely no place in the US Military. We need to go back to uniform and appearance standards when it comes to the field uniform and over weight troops. Etiquette standards also need to be reintroduced. I know that sounds like petty things but all of those things add up to discipline and good order. Those two things are the life blood of the US Military. Also in order to even make Colonel you should have Combat Command experience. We should also bar Senior Leaders that have direct authority over contracts, research, and development from being able to work for any Government Contractor within five years after leaving service. These are just a few of the things that need to change. There are many more. This is a rot that has touched every piece of the military.
I agree with what you say! At Ft Drum there was alot of "do as I say, not as I do!" If an officer or Sgt has marital problems, they lash out. Why not preach and teach the standard, from day one? Not have "flexible" standards.
@user-nq4ur5cg7w would the marines train corp increase my pencil size i been dealing with depression lately bc of yk in i reall dont care what i have to do to achieve ik its wired but i need answers i an will to help my country and other if needed tell me something please i just need what in would to get at least 2 more inches.
I think you’re right. Why should a young man serve a corrupt form of government. It’s only going to get worse. There was a time when serving the United States meant something. There was a time when it was a highly honorable thing to do to serve your country. Today, people have zero respect for politicians and the way they mismanage the country. It’s a shame but we are in a very dark period. They say all empires come to an end due to imploding from within. It took Rome thousands of years. It won’t take more than another 20 years tops for the end to come, it’s happening now. But, maybe that’s a good thing. Why would anyone want to put their life on the line for Nancy Pelosi or the Washington crowd? So, I agree 100% with you. I don’t advocate helping to destroy the country. Just let it crumble and worry about what is important to you, your family and your well-being. Btw, thank you for your service and your honest opinion. Many military people that have previously served feel the same way. If things change and people start having a sense of morals and live ethically, which I doubt, then I could see a person willing to serve, but not this politically woke farce.
You are right about the word of mouth piece for sure. I did 6 years in the Army from 05 to 11, and I would not tell my son to join the Army for any reason. It was not all a negative experience, but when you look at the toxic leadership, the messed up promotion system, the out of control sexual harrasment/assault, the extremely high optempo and the terrible VA system... I think I would tell my son to take his chances in the civilian world.
Most of the things you just listed are all over the place in the private sector too!!!
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I still think it's better than the civilian world, yeah I'm a Veteran too.
Preach! Shockingly, the Air Force is no better in this regard.
@@piousmutilator4513 When I served in the Army the nickname for the Air Force
was the Chair Force!!
@@metalmike570false , you don’t have Sargents screaming in your face and putting you on your ass for BS
Seeing the mistreatment of my brother I’m glad I didn’t join. He went in, served 6 years active as a 68W and got wrecked due to the physical demands of the job, came back home with zero job prospects and 80% disabled, of which the disability alone can’t sustain him in this broken economy. Hearing from a lot of service members that will parrot a similar experiences or how the VA just sucked… who would want to go into that? So yeah it’s not a surprise that the recruiters aren’t making their mission year after year.
There’s also a lot of other reasons to not join that in my mind vastly outweigh any benefits. Currently our country is incredibly divided, so if you feel like the government doesn’t have your best interests at heart then I can see why people wouldn’t want to then join.
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This is a big issue people end up being disabled by trying to join and start a new life. Then get no help or reliable hospital care that they need. It’s such a shame
If he cant get a job on the outside how is that the military fault?
If he has any problems with employment then file an unemployablility claim for the remaining 20%, taking him to 100%. The VA Comp is a lot higher so may as well do it.
@rowe2002 Air Force is probably harder to get in, perhaps other than the Marines you should consider trying another branch.
It's true though that all the transparancy to medical records (because of computers) is getting many possible recruits truned down.
I'm Gen Z. Leaving for basic training in August as a 19 kilo.
where ya going?
I’m also a 19k hope you don’t get sent to echo
@@bubbajoe745 there are only 4 companies in 1-81 that train 19 kilos/tankers alpha bravo echo and fox
I leave September for basic marine core
Hell yeah primo 19D here shipping end of july
The word of mouth is definitely a big problem, the military has a terrible reputation and all they do is talk to fix it. They need to follow through with actions.
Son is 23, he’s currently at tech training. There were almost 500 graduating with him, Air Force. Yes, there’s less people joining but they’re still joining just hard to get in on some of the branches. Also, he was the last one being recruited by the recruiter he had (yes was redundant). I’m happy for him and he’s happy on his decision.
@taylorrowe2002 not blaming anyone here. It’s too bad that you can’t waiver something like that, but it sounds that in your case might be a life or death situation a nut allergy. And tattoos don’t help either on that decision for the branches (I’m not against them I do love tattoos), but now they’re making exceptions even for that because of low recruitment. And I admit it he took the asvab twice so he really wanted to join. He studied hard getting tutoring at his college, and on top of that he was finishing his semester before going to BMT. He hard work paid off.
@taylorrowe2002drafting unhealthy ppl is military suicide , no one wants a soldier who died cuz he ate the wrong colour candybar 😂😂
@@Mcbignutsallergies don’t mean you’re unhealthy lol? You can be the pinnacle of the health but be allergic to something 😑
@@EnvysWRLD if U can die from being exposed to a peanut , you are NOT in the prime of health ,sorry to break it to U ,,😂😂😂
@@Mcbignuts I don’t think you understand how allergies work lol 🤣youre either a child that’s not even in High school or a Man child who stays on Reddit or 4 Chan all day ……. Obviously having Allergies can affect you either severely or mildly but allergies can literally not affect you at all other then giving you a mild sensation for example some people are allergic to shrimp or crawfish but they can eat those foods just fine all that will happen is just their mouths start to get tingly or numb ……. Allergies are separate from actually being healthy lol and FYI a large portion of Soldiers recruits / people already enlisted have allergies 💀
No one will ever treat you better than when they want something from you. If you're not treated well on the way in people are going to get the message.
I wanted to serve so badly. Made a couple mistakes at 13 but I was told due to the original arrest charges being a lot I wasn’t allowed even tho I showed the disposition. I made changes such as getting my ged at 16(didn’t know it would look bad because In civilian work it’s a good look because I went to college early)attending college and about to graduate with my degree at 19/20. My asvab was about 66 and It sucks I can’t serve my beautiful country however I can’t sit and cry about not being a soldier. I’m going to France to join the French foreign legion and after 5 years I plan on trying to join the gign. The US is amazing and beautiful and my mistakes I own up to them however, if I’m only viewed as a criminal by the us and can’t redeem my actions I might as well just become one smh. It’s a joke but you get what I mean. France will give me the chance and I’m looking forward to risking my life for a nation that will give me the opportunity.
Way to not give up! Best of luck !
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They stopped you from joining even tho you was never convicted of anything? That’s lame asf what happened to innocent until proven guilty ?
@@sdot266 I was adjudicated a delinquent which unfortunately decided I should take the plead deal since I grew up poor with no lawyer. I was struck by another student and we fought but due to me being a angry kid I wanted to continue. However that made me the aggressor and then when the cop tried tackling me I slapped his hand out the way as well as my teacher because I was asking why am I getting introuble when defending myself. Just the hand and I got charged with battery on eod and battery on school personal. I made the mistake however I was devistated when told I could not join but on to moving forward.
I’m also thinking of joining the military in my country (Sweden) as a soon to be 20 year old (December). 1 year of high school left. But I also have always have the thinking and idea of becoming a swat member in the police since being a young kid 😁
I just turned 18, Leaving for basic in 10 days for 92A. I’m ready man, I feel this is a good step in the right direction since I’m so young
You sure you want to do that and not go the rotc rough? You can get college paid for, get an education, and be a second lieutenant in 4 years. Also you can enjoy your young years and college life.
@@TheReaper-ep2cq I didn’t get accepted into any colleges, also I originally was doing 25u before I found out I was colorblind at MEPS
@teratism explain lol
Have fun in Ukraine, my friend. God be with you.
Good luck sucker💯🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The major issue I saw while in the Army, was why limit soldiers to 8 years as lower enlisted? What is so inherently wrong with being good and proficient at your job? IMO, toxic leadership really stems from people that never should have been placed in leadership roles in the first place
You make a good point. Before 1984 the Army allowed lower ranks to serve for much longer and they also had non-NCO pay grades for technical MOS’s so it was common to see a SPC5 or SPC6 which was the same as E-5 and E-6 but they didn’t have the same responsibilities as an NCO. It’s possible that rank structure may be used again as the Army looks for ways to keep the positions filled with good people for longer terms.
@@echohunter4199 If they want to the President and Congress will re-institute the draft. IF WW3 happens, and it looks like it is, then the recruitment shortfalls won't mean a damn thing because the draft will happen.
I was on Recruiting duty 15 years ago. 3 main disqualifiers were -
A. Drugs
B. Criminal record
C. Physical disqualification.
Gen Z here. Joined in 2017 wanting to make the army a career. Fast forward a couple years and I couldnt wait to get out. The army is absolutely misersble. I was an 11b (infantryman) and that translated to professional janitor.
Im out now and going to university full time. Im also a EMT and arguably get more "action" than I would have ever gotten in the military.
Your mistake was going 11b and not making the military your career or atleast reclassing before getting out
@@himehime1629 I would never be a lifer. Reclassing does nothing. I had buddies reclass into a bunch of other MOS's and they still arent having a good time
@@DavidH98 Should've picked a better MOS to start off.
@@himehime1629 The army is still the army regardless of MOS. The retained lifers are usually guys who cannot function and be successful on the outside.
Hell yeah man, i’m currently in an EMT program and should be taking the NREMT in august. The “action” you talk about seems like something i’ll see way more of in the first responder field than the military field. i plan on commissioning after college but not a lifer. f that.
No one is talking about how Genesis is making it harder for older people also. I'm 30 and have been to MEPS three times now. Every fucking time it catches something new and pushes me back. I'm going for the 4th time next week. #DETERMINED!
Everybody's experience with the military is vastly different it's just unfortunate that more people are having bad experiences with the military than good experiences, and that's very telling!
I will be joining soon, just getting more fit and prepared
Ayee bra Samee wish you the best luck brodie ima be in the navy soon 💪🏾🙏🏾🖤
@@Emaninthenavy likewise💪🏾,I've been doing hella research on almost everything about the military so ik exactly what I'm getting my self Into I'm debating on the army and the navy I have no clue
@@0fficialwillie understandable and Samee but that’s your personal choice fam cs any branch is good in there own ways but I choose the navy cs Ik it’s a lot I can make of my self in there yk
One of the best things i ever done joining the AF. 4 years in the Philippines, 4 years in Korea. I have 2 sons who i raised as a single parent. My youngest son is in the AF. Started out as a AB, now he's a Capt with over 15 years in. Military life is not for everyone. Getting up everyday and being on time for work isn't for everyone either. Military life was easy for me. If you go in at 18 you could be done by 38 in time to do other things.
My brother is in the AF & loves it but my cousin was in the army & he hated it 😅
As a retiree, this is one of the best times to enlist. By and large, you can get the job you want, your competition is low, promotion opportunities are vast, and the medical and retirement benefits are well worth it.
Bruh keep these coming man love these vids where you share some facts along with your opinion on different topics
Yea i don't know why I stopped this kind of format!
So I'll talk about the reasons I left the Canadian Military. For the longest time I felt shame, I had desperately wanted to be in the armed forces because I love military tech/geopolitics , I wanted to serve abroad/have an adventure, creating comradery, and I had 0 clue what i was going to do out of school. I ended up not even going through basic training.
At the time I had a lot on my plate with University, part time job and military so I cut the military out. So for a long time I felt like I coward out and part of me really wanted to go back.
But I slowly changed my perception on the matter over time. So fear of death/dismemberment/life altering injuries is an obvious 1st reason, but I think the fear is more towards dying for no real reason and sure we're 100 years removed from World War One run into machine guns, but we're not so far removed from Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq, wars that in my opinion, should not have happened in the first place and were a loss of life for little to no gain.
Then it comes to what exactly am I fighting for? Protecting Canada and its citizens? No one is really threatening us nowadays and those that are either have extensive nuclear armaments or are Islamic extremist that live half way across the world, and its extremists our leaders helped create by sending over the military in the first place. So then that brings us to leaders and the question of are you really wanting to die just because some high ranking people tell you to go somewhere, despite them lying to you e.g. "weapons of mass destruction" or assuming on the off chance that they aren't lying (which is highly unlikely considering all the other unnamed lies that aren't even related to the military that they already peddle/cover up e.g. BLM riots was a "peaceful protest"), that they send you to die for a conflict that they are utterly detached from?
Add on to those questions the utter state of western culture where traditional families and children are looked down upon, rampant abortions, hook up / open relationships, the very little pay in the military, the inflation, the persistant online/social media attack on "white, european, american, male" culture or even overtly with destruction of statues, churches, unchecked illegal immigration to replace failing birth rates, the CONSOOOMMM mentality where people define themselves through movies, video games ficntional characters, or even the objects they own in their home instead of our fore fathers, national heroes, great men, great deeds, architectural feats, a unifying myth or epic or justified war etc. All of this and much more makes me question, do I even WANT to protect our current country and culture? Ok it's not EVERYONE that is "woke" for lack of a better term but our leaders in charge now are all part of this "woke" culture that has permeated at every level of our societies. Would I really want to throw my life for our current culture and values of hedonism, selfloathing and anti-freedom (Covid lockdowns/corporate wage slaves i.e. working endless hours for very little benefits and a salary that doesn't adjust to inflation and with no propect of retirement or raising a family)?
TLDR Why fight and die for a country that is slowly declining in population and culture and who's leaders don't give 2 shits about you?
Today none of the Western militaries are worth serving as like the governments they serve they're broken beyond repair.
Dang
Yeah Canada’s shit bro.
Been here now for 23years .
I want out….
I don't disagree with anything you just said, and a lot of it is identical to why I have refrained from joining as well. But off purely selfish reasons, there's there is redeeming value in joining. There's trades you can learn, there's a golden star that you can put on a resume & call yourself a veteran (which helps employers save money on taxes for hiring you), and you can make friends in it. You can honestly transform your service from serving a bunch of bureaucrats to serving with people you care about and lifelong contacts you'll maintain.
@@jackp.richardson6415 So I agree that it can help you learn trade skills and the other two reasons are great as well. But being able to call yourself a Veteran and serving with and for your friends is all possible because we live in a time of relative peace
You kind of have to gamble that the powers that be don't decide to go to war so that 1. you can SURVIVE to call yourself a Veteran and 2. you can hopefully NEVER have watch your friends die one by one
Amen brother. The military has lost focus on the things that matters, America desperately needs to regain focus on realistic things and regain focus on things that wich actually have any significance whatsoever.
Which toilet will u use
I’m an Air Force vet, did 15 years. Every year the DoD came out with another hoop to jump through to stay in. In 2014 they kicked out a shit ton of people. I got forced out for HYT in 2018. I would have retired this March. You think you can piss that many people off and they’ll want their children to enlist? Having family in the military is the greatest recruitment tool there is. Personally, I think we are in a position technologically where we can pull everybody back from overseas and simply defend our own land. We could cut the defense budget by 80% and save hundreds of billions of dollars.
I’m genz and I’m leaving for basic in sept.. leaving as a 13B. Couldn’t be more ready and excited.
Going to Ft. Sill OK^
Well the problem is that the president is doing so much dirt on this country I’m surprised anyone is joining at all we are a laughing stock to the world ! If you can’t find a president who. A lead people that’s exactly what will happen is nobody will enlist you won’t have a military at all !!
I missed out on the college years. While my friends were out partying and getting laid in college I was busy doing dumb crap. I'll never be young again and completely missed out on those post high school years. When I got out I was 25 and starting all over again because there is no need for an artilleryman in the real world.
You can party and get laid anytime dude, that stuff isn't important.
You can still go to college
Plenty of 40 year old dudes partying with girls under 25 you have time if that’s what you’re looking for lol
@@EnvysWRLD your academic career has to be approved which can be slow and they can outright say no and give you a list of selectable options that don't pertain to what you actually want to do. going into sleep study or archeology your going to pay out of pocket.
I’m hearing for the first time that other countries military are having a recruiting problem.
I joined in 2018 at the age of 26 for the GI Bill. My experience was absolute hell. As soon as I got to Reception, I knew I had fucked up, and I wanted to go home. But I didn't because I come from a Military family and didn't want to be made fun of. I picked Fueler because it was the shortest contract. Fueler is usually filled with young kids who were suckered in by their recruiter because they had low test scores. I didn't have low test scores. I picked Fueler because it was a 3-and-a-half-year contract with a 20k bonus. I was a great student in College. I managed to get accepted as a transfer student in UCLA, UCI, and UC Berkeley Registered Nursing programs (Nursing programs are impossible to get into in California). I managed to get into some State schools as well. I would be taking out loans because I needed to live in dorms as the programs I entered were not close to home.
The military is not the only stepping stone. But the VA is going to be giving me disability checks for life. I get the GI Bill and the VR&E, which is two GI Bills. I hate the Army, but the benefits after are freaking sweet.
Keep in mind I was told usually the MOS’s with high bonuses are usually shit lol
@xzaviercalhoun1257 ALWAYS GO TO MEDICAL! Get everything documented often. VA only cares about the paperwork you provide from time-in-service.
@@bricepatterson7242 My MOS was shitty. But I got to go to Iraq and Syria with it, which was nice LOL!
@taylorrowe2002are you in school now
@taylorrowe2002Honestly they need to make it easier for veterans to rejoin the military or join other branches. These are the people who spent time in the real world and have had a chance to shed their toxic behaviors. It's crazy to me how they focus so heavily on new recruits when clearly they don't want to join.
My son is an Airborne 11B and loving it. If you want to serve, go for it. Serving is more than the money you dont make starting off. Contrary to people stuntin' on social media, people serve because they want to commit to something bigger.
This kind of thinking is outdated. A lot of young people don’t have trust in the government and political agendas of those who are in charge. They don’t want to risk their lives just to end up a number on a chart.
“People want to commit to something bigger.” Like what? Please explain to me what’s so good about fighting for the military industrial complex. Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Somalia, vietnam was a failure. I’m not going overseas to fight for a billionaire’s interests.
@@draco_1876 Individuals figure that out for themselves. You stated that's not you. Clearly those of us who took oath thought that was primarily the goal.
The lesson is commitment to self.
@@alchemicalsoul Joining for the benefits is outdated because companies such as Walmart, Publix, McDonalds etc have tuition reimbursement for college, trade school etc. At that point the GI bill isn't worth the minimum 4 years of hardship. But health benefits such as free healthcare/VA loan (and possibility VA disability if your lucky) could be worth it for some.
I was thinking of training for and applying to the royal marines as an officer, but the main reason why I decided against it is I have absolutely no love for my government or the country I live in. I would've been able to overlook the poor pay and prospects, even the danger, but knowing that ultimately I would be fighting to protect a government and rulers that are ripping apart my country and everything it stands for was enough to make me think that maybe my efforts would be best spend elsewhere.
Army 23 years now and I have more nightmares of the bad leadership I've been under than all the combat I've seen on 3 deployments.
Don’t quit posting new videos and really good advices. Thank you for service 🇺🇸and thank you for trying your best to help others. Next year, I really want to join Army National Guard to serve and protect our nation and the help out the world as well.
Who would you be defending america from? Is it something worth defending?
I wrote a college researcher paper on a topic similar to this. It was about why the military (particularly the Army) has had to switch to more social media tactics over traditional methods such as calling people and through emails.
I don’t check my emails
@@Halo47143You should. Because you're not getting a win argument if they said "I sent you an email".
@@benfrank9622don't need to argue.
@taylorrowe2002 Planning on joining the Navy next year but Im afraid of MEPS becaue I have chronic hives. It doesnt really affect my life as long as I take an antihistamine pill everyday. I have all the motivation to join but Im anxious on gettin disqualified for this
@@jamesmccloud7535 i hate to add to your anxiety but most likely you will most likely be rejected
I leave for basic this Monday
you got this!
Same here.
The Marine Corps was a nightmare to me, I had to do everything in my mind to find a way out. But not all Armed Service is that bad. My brother was an Air Force Captain and he loved it. Just remember it's your life don't throw it away on something you are unsure about in the first place. X-Marine
Dude...this video is it. You're spot on when you talk about only the bad experiences being highlighted, gotta share the good too.
I served for 6 years, in my contract I had SLRP (student loan repayment program) & it was very very difficult to to get signed up to receive the funds EVEN THOUGH IT WAS IN MY CONTRACT. So now I have over $20k in student loans that I have to pay for because to military failed to honor the contract. These are the type of reasons that soldiers are not re-enlisting into the military.
You need to speak to an attorney
The military will do you like that. My understanding of the student loan repayment program is that ,they will pay bay the initial loan but not the interest.
Here is my opposition to joining, the pay is awful. The benefits i can see are great but its a benefit and not actual dollars in your pocket. Here is what they should do, ive seen the pay scale, it is ok, pay needs to increase substantially, +20%, and allow people to quit and put in a 2 week notice. Ive also seen somewhere where a manager cannot be fired without a year's worth of paperwork. so make it easier to fire people who are managers b/c if I had a manager tell me to tell me F this or F That and screaming at me or talking down to me so if you had better management people would join. The culture of treating people like garbage is a deterrent.
I was in the army during desert storm. And I have to say that a lot of what I see now is a society of young people who don’t see anything worth fighting for. And definitely not risking their lives for. I was in a combat medic and I did my time then got out for the same reasons as we see now. I made 4x more money for my family while not risking my life. Recruits were given a little card they could wave around if they got to stressed out. (Who wants that person fighting next to you!?) And I saw extremely toxic leadership towards the end that convinced me that it was time to go. I too am glad I got to serve my country and better myself. But I wouldn’t tell anyone to necessarily join today. And that’s really sad because our country needs good soldiers now more than ever.
As a gen z I don't condone the military. What spooks me is the way vets are treated, not to mention the access of easy info hasn't done much for the us gov/militaries case. I've learned some things about thr usa that makes it hard to die for my country.
You do know that the world has always been an awful place right? That no country has a perfect past? Seems to me you live in fantasy land.
You're a bit late to the party but it's ok. I feel it important to inform you that not condoning things your govt does is a quality of living in a republic.
I think it’s the pay honestly, nobody’s going to willingly experience the worst of humanity and see horrible things and possibly die for a gov that don’t care and to be homeless when you get home lol
One of the reasons I had doubts about joining was the low pay of about 20k a year. They should increase it to 30k. Another are the corrupt politicians getting rich of contracts and policing the world. Military should be defensive only and not get involved in other countries affairs.
4:09, navy vet here; they got rid of the high-20 pension in 2017, so you can no longer do 20 years and retire if you're joining for the first time. They replaced it with BLS, which is similar to the 6% matched 401k I have, but it's shittier.
Private sector still sucks because corporations don't keep wages up with inflation, but if someone could get free college, go to college, and even get an equivalent pension from a corporation in their home town or state, then why would they even join and be forced to be away from home and all they know and love? My biggest regret from joining was being away from my family for so long. You cannot buy time back, and the zoomers are smart enough to realize this.
I think the Iraq and Afghan wars did a lot to damage the credibility of the Military-however the treatment of veterans and their inability to get healthcare services they were promised is telling
As a Naval Veteran who was in from 2001-2006 I garuntee you that most veterans who were in around the same time feel that the military got exactly what they deserved.....Most of us loved our country & wanted to continue to serve it, but got pushed out 1st enlistment due to something called higher tenior that basically meant unless you were a perfect sailor your first enlistment we don't want you.
One huge factor that causes most to be ineligible is this justice system that messes people's record up. Even for people like me who have never resulted to violence or done any bad in our lives. I ended up with a Domestic Violence record over dating the wrong abusive woman. This woman is my baby mama and she would result in the one record that defeats all my chances of ever joining any military for the rest of my life. Not only that this happened when I barely turned 18 years old. My plan had always been to join the Marine Corps, and especially when my son was born and I wanted to be the man he needed to raise him right. I didn't grow up with my father because he was wrongfully convicted of a murder which even the victims family denied it was my father, but yet the judge still declared my father guilty. And because of that I've always visited him in jail and prison. I never wanted to end up there, especially because my dad is a very good man. He's taught me to stay away from drugs if I don't need it, stay away from alcohol and bad friends. I did just that. Not because of him entirely but rather because I myself don't like drugs or alcohol. I'm sure we all have some bad friends everywhere. But this all comes back to me and my baby mama. When I was told by a social worker to report my baby mama to the police. I took their advice and did just that. Expecting justice to be served, as any victim would see it. Instead I was the primary suspect since they got there. My baby mama made it seem as though I tried to rape her. She lied and said her hitting me was in self defense, when in reality I was the one who had to defend myself from getting my eye gouged out. Also from getting stabbed. Did the police care though about my statement? No they didn't. Instead I got taken into custody and had to await my arraignment in court which was the worst night of my life being in jail as a victim. I couldn't believe what was going on. My family didn't care and didn't try to help me at all. Instead they all knew about my baby mama but didn't get me a lawyer. Which it turns out any lawyer would've made sure I would've never had this record and my baby mama would've been in jail for certain. Now I have a domestic violence record, I'm 21 and still can't get a good job anywhere because of it. I'm trying to scrape together 3k to pay for a pardon, and no I'm not asking for money, I'm working for it. So don't think I'm asking for anything, please. My goal is to eventually join the military and be a marine or join the air force. I know so much about the military and have so many skills that I know I would be useful in there. I just hope things work out because I have two kids I want to be a good role model for them. As you can imagine till this day I'm still getting the worst type of behavior out my baby mama, and obviously no one cares about it because the system makes every male look like a evil monster. I also want to post videos online but it's hard to post when nothing positive in my life has come up. And that's what I want to share with my subscribers the most. Thank you for reading if you got this far, and please make sure you date the right woman before you end up where I'm at. I can't tell you how bad this record is, but I'm sure everyone could imagine. Have a blessed day
If you believe an army commercial with two moms is the reason why no one wants to join instead of being over workerd, under appreciated, treated like shit simply because those above you can treat you like shit, and a high likely hood of overall horrible quality of life, you need to bring yourself back to reality.
yeah the crap from wingnuts who bitch about "woke" are just looking for an excuse to bitch about "woke"
Bottom line, 4 years serving, especially if you get even just a secret clearance, keeping out of trouble, be smart with your money and save, getting out one and done can set you up for a pretty good middle class life much quicker and better than a shitty Amazon or UPS warehouse job.
Yes, there are parts of it that are ass and it sucks some days, but if you can make it through and make the most out of your time in, the payoff will be worth your while
Well said! That's why the military wouldn't be nearly as effective without contractors (veterans) that were trained the right way. I joined in 2000 and I can honestly say when they stopped shining boots and first heard of stress cards in basic I started noticing the reduction in warriors! Of course those things were not the reason for the problem but that's when I started noticing the change! You summed it up perfectly tho!
I tried joining the military recently and I managed to get all the way through my MEPS process and Genesis caught a “Sauce-on-the-side attempt” that I had in 2020 and I had made a huge recovery and had gotten myself together but nope, I was considered a suicidal maniac in the commanders eyes and I ended up getting grilled by my recruiter for “wasting his time”. I thought that I could support an ok life for my gf and our future but just because I was at a really low point in my life it ruined my chances.
Hey man, I understand what you were going through and I'm sorry they treated you that way. Obviously the commander and recruiter did not. I'm extremely impulsive and I tried to take one too many pills if you know what I mean. I've now made a full recovery and I'm out looking for a civilian cybersecurity job. It does suck that we can't join, but there's always better jobs out there. Keep your head up man. Best of luck!
I guess they can't risk having you heavily armed with an incident like that. I'm sorry but I can't blame them.
be happy you are not in.
Maybe try joining the Navy? From what I read they are more open to accepting people with suicide ideation in their records.
Tell the recruiter to fuck himself. You can try enlisting at another MEP station. If there is an area that has more trouble recruiting you can move there.
Thank you for serving our country. You deserve better than this
You don't join the military to get rich? With the federal government's preference for hiring veterans and contracting with veteran-owned companies, along with the in-service training and GI Bill for college that get you across the doorstep and into some other careers... yes, you pretty much do get richer than you could otherwise have hoped to, by joining the military. It's the only escape from our national poverty trap that I ever came across. It's about getting your foot in the door with the over-all military industrial complex which dominates the economy. One thing to keep in mind though, the only thing recruiters can help you with is actually joining. They don't have honest answers about anything. If you want to know something, you have to talk to other people who have actually served.
Agree. The military can help you quite a bit with financial gain if you are on the lower end economically. Even if you don't do 20 years and retire because nowadays we have the blended retirement system.
As a veteran I truly believe no one is joining is the new culture we live in, the world of social media and we are too sensitive to everything. No one wants to work hard anymore, always looking for an easy way out.
Nobody wants to die for gay marriage in israel
@@sneedweaveragreed
I applaud you dude. I’m 45 Gen X and I regret going to college instead of joining the military.
So you'll be a simp and die for a country that hates you?
typical view of someone who was never in. If you had joined at 18 the drills were still hitting recruits.
I'm going to break it down from my perspective into (2) parts.
From a Veteran Perspective (USN: 2013-2017 [Active Duty] & 2017-2021 [IRR]).
6 Reasons Not to Join:
1.) Military Life is a tough life. Period.
2.) If you are not prepared to risk your life or take a life then don't join.
(The bullets, missiles, rockets, guns, tanks, ships and planes are not their for show and tell. If you aren't using the war machine then you are supporting/maintaining the war machine. You are an accomplice.)
3.) There's more opportunity now than there was in the past.
(I joined during the Recession 2008-2013.)
4.) You aren't guaranteed to make it to a career.
(Always at-will. You can get discharged for any stupid reason.)
5.) You are going to work with a lot of difficult personalties everyday.
6.) Toxic leadership.
6 Reasons to Join:
1.) Post 9/11 G.I Bill.
(College paid for. No debt. Pay you to go to school. Huge deal. A lot of people are in college debt. Many will never pay off that college debt. Facts.)
2.) VA Home Loan
(No down payment. You can own up to 2 properties at once. Low interest rate. Easier to qualify.)
3.) Federal/State Career Benefits.
(I work for the Federal Government and your military time counts towards your retirement. Did 4 years. Just need to do 26 years to get full 30 year pension. I'll be retired by 58 years old. Paid for life. Same as the military pension plan.)
4.) You meet good friends for life and travel to cool places.
5.) You build good habits.
(Ex. Structure, Discipline, Good Planning, Good Nutrition/Fitness, Attention to Detail [I dress better. Good eye for fashion/decoration.], Learn to Fight/Survive, etc.)
6.) Greater appreciation for the nation that you live in.
(Many people take their freedoms for granted.)
I don't regret joining and to me it made me a better person than I was in the past.
:)
US Army 19D 2008-2011; deployed to Iraq in 2009. I would never advise for a person to enlist, especially not now. There is NO conflict you're going to be apart of where you're actually defending your home, your family, and the USA itself. We were basically glorified mercenaries who fought on behalf of foreign and corporate interests. To these people at the top, the soldier, sailor, marines, and airmen are expendable meat-bags. Never put your life on the line for people who would never do the same for you, and never fight because someone told you to do so. The leadership of the military is shit and the long-term operations they engage in is shit. The only thing holding our military together is the NCO's. Just remember young people reading this: The military is NOT what it was and it is NOT what you think it is. You are not going to be fighting for our freedom.
I think no one is joining because a lot of veterans don't recommend you to go. Like when you hear stories of veterans they are always bad and they always talk about how they use you and dispose of you as soon as your not good for the military.
I’m joining, my dumbass just need to pass the ASVAB.
better study!
@@AaronbTV I passed, but my line score was two points short, but my recruiter is getting me a waiver.
Whats your asvab score if i may ask?
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Im in the air force reserve and I Honestly enjoy the millitary Because, How certain people are really doesnt bother me but at the end of the day I know certain people can be wrong I got to the point where I feel like The millitary and the civilian life is kinda the same because Theres plenty of toxic leaders/supervisors in the civilian world I have ran into any toxic leadership in the millitary yet or anything horrible but I wanna go active duty soon because I kind of need a change.
I’m 24 and turn 25 in December and I’m considering the navy. I’m not scared of being too old, I’m scared I’m not disciplined enough.
Bring in for 4 years, you’re disciplined enough
Got out in April after 8 years. I would say if yall really thinking about joining, wpuld seriously do some research and ask people in. Was a Supply NCO. Pay/Benefits are good but when you mix that with the fact its not a 9-5 (and can be called 24/7 sometimes weekends) and be expected to perform. Family is preached about being important but Misson will ALWAYS come first dont matter peoples circumstances. Dont even want to talk about the mental assistance. Had a BH therapist who refused to see me while she was on emergency room detail meanwhile a reseve MSG (also attached to my unit) was able to get to chat with her. I was really messed up in head and already had to wait 2 months for the appointments unless you say your suicidal. Showed up late to formation by 2 minutes (due to various life reason) lost half my paycheck for 2 months. Was told i needed to be an example for others to a broken pt on your own, in the gym meet-up. They dont take soldiers serious in that i have live a jacked up life before i joined. I did not join to be treated like a child in some aspects (micromanged sections) then handed a fully loaded M4 to guard a disarmed armory. If it was a normal job would have quit right there. The reasons i can give are endless. The Army is not for everyone and even now more so then ever. My ex wife also joined during my last 2 years and she cheated on me with married 18year and got pregnant in AIT. The Army did investigation so i can get results to court. However the couldnt find anything (apparently while she is ballooning like a whale) she placed child on my SGLI so thats how i knew she had a child and the time frame. But if i could say one positive, you will met very few people who are genuinely good people. During the time i was going through these issues. A SFC and his wife used to make me food and drive it to my house and man i will never forget that SFC, (Now a 1SG!!!). Im all over the place but seen it all in those 8years. Everything but real combat :/ Now i am married live on Europe and have a job/ part study as a Mechanical Engineer creating Analyzers. Good luck to all and if anyone wants more info let Id be happy to provide if i have experiance.
been waiting a month and half just to get cleared from my pre screen because of my past history, i do understand they take their own time but at this point im like about to just forget it. There are people that really wanna join but they dont make it worth it , that why gen Z dont wanna join because you are asking someone to risk their life but you dont make it worth it, great benefits but you can do better pay also, amongst other things
Military Leadership is absolutely terrible. I've been blessed in the leadership I've had and even then I have plenty of examples of nepotism. Can only imagine what it would be like to have some of the legitimately toxic CoCs some of my fellow service members have told me they had.
Gen Z here who's going through the OCS application process rn: I've spoken to a lot of friends who are 1st LTs and a lot of family friends who are Colonels and Generals. Some of the big concerns I've heard is you won't be rich, the current leadership is incompetent, retirement/bonuses not as good as they use to be, and wokeness is a major issue especially if you branch a non-combat arms MOS.
Some of the guys I've spoken with such as 1st LT and a scrolled Ranger both cited wokeness as their #1 reason for not renewing contracts along with the Army being in full peace time mode.
Still joining (don't need the money its for the experience and training) and hopefully the Army rediscovers its identity.
Went to Army OCS in 2012. Everything you say is true. Also we were used as janitors and landscapers at hhc for months. Had my commission stolen a few weeks before graduation because of over recruitment. Long story... OCS is a game of going at the right time. Get a direct commission and avoid OCS if they are washing out tons of people otherwise you will find yourself as a laundry specialist enlisted like my friend when they wrote down on the wromg number on his final PT test. I wised up and found a legal loophole to get out. Trust me you don't want that.
I am a millennial in the U.S. Army Reserve and I am shocked by how badly prevalent the wokeness is.
I thought the armed forces was a much more conservative organization.
I liked being in the Navy until i got to my 1st unit. They tried to sabotage my check in so i would be flagged as AWOL. Then when i treated a patient with life threatening injuries and the E-6 that was the IDC(independent duty corpsman) of the field clinic said to the EMS guys when they arrived "that boot didnt save anybody and IDGAF cuz i was on SEAL team 6" the EMS guys said they were shocked to see that SEAL leadership conducted themselves in that type of way but i told them that he was just their Independent Duty Corpsman and that he is not a SEAL, he doesn't have a trident on his uniform. The got soo pissed that they reported him to the parent command and since my unit was blacklisted for many reasons nobody got heald accountable for not giving us the gear needed to treat the marines injuries is hopes something would go wrong and make us look bad so they look better. Its probably worse all around in the military now and im glad i retired when i did. I dont blame people for not wanting to join but all the problems can easily be fixed if they just listened to all active duty service members, especially the newest and youngest ones 👍🏾
Thanks for this. I was thinking joining navy nurse corp but not anymore. Considering all the sexual assault and disrespect and recruiting lies. I'll check the airforce
@@pepelepepedid you check
From what I know, the Marine Corps is having the most success recruiting, just reaching its FY recruiting goal. I believe it’s partly due to the culture there just barely clinging on to that hooah mentality. This is something all the other branches have sadly already lost.
Personally, I find it that is no more pride in what we do in the military. Moral is at an all time low, despite getting treated better than 10-20 years ago. In recent times, we’ve been sent on wars that frankly cause more destruction than good, ultimately filling the pockets of mega defense corporations. All of this at the expense of young American lives.
I do think the Army is moving in the right direction in regards to many things such as moving away from the Vietnam era hazing type culture. We need to follow leaders based off of respect, not simply authority. (In other words, leaders who lead, not tell you what to do!)
We are ultimately here to fight wars, not to cater to someone’s “identity” or feelings. The solution is also easier than it might seem.
I think you make up great points in your video and definitely think the DoD could take some notes!
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Feelings.... like b*tching about wokeness 24/7?
Tell that to big military, who force people who either aren’t fit to lead or aren’t willing to lead.
Start creating incentives for people to be better leaders and start talking to subordinates about their leaders and make their advancement highly dependent on what their co workers say about them and what they bring to the organization (the army is starting a program that mirrors this called “Pegasus”; they teach it in BLC now). They’re gonna need to force a great deal of people out though.
@taylorrowe2002man you're everywhere! I agree with you, though.
People are more prone to politeness
Let the politicians and elite fight their own wars
I plan on enlisting as soon as I pay off IRS debt. No sense in being owned by the government while also owing the government
build people up instead of blocking them. I recently enlisted and fought the Genesis program tooth and nail to join, because of the Military's outdated view on ADHD.
I know plenty of people just don't know enough about the military to know what they even want to start doing in the military. When I was at MEPS I heard the words "I'd do a better job if they just payed me more, ya know?" from one of the staff guys.
We don't do enough to make that stage of becoming a recruit approachable, it's very artificial and as someone who really wanted to join, it was probably the most uncomfortable bit of paperwork, and medical examinations I've ever done.
In the guard for example, they luckily have a few ways of helping people be in better shape, and increase their military knowledge through RSP, and programs like Stripes for Skills.
But that active army really needs to get on that, same with the other branches. Cause right now besides people who really want to join, just because, the signing bonuses are the only real incentive, and that's only if your really desperate for some quick cash.
Was this a ADHD diagnosis that you received as a child ? And how long had you been off medication before going to Meps and battling Genesis if you don’t mind me asking since I feel like I might be in the same boat I was diagnosed with adhd as a kid had a counselor for this ofc but I hadn’t gone to them in maybe 9-10+ years I’m 21 now and I’ve been off medication for the same amount of time pretty much it feels like this is the only thing that’s will drag me back
Been in the process due to medical process to join the Air Force for 9 months. I sat and waited because I wanted to join badly. It was bull because I didn’t have any issues but some issue was found later, 5 months after that first bs call on my eyes, I got a full eye exam at a different cities meps medical team and they couldn’t find any issues. 1 doctor fucked me over for 6 months because of an issue no one could see but him. But I’m going now at the end of the month.
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I wanted to join the Air Force back in 2014 but I was denied my medical process at MEPs cuz of my severe allergic reaction to cashew. So the permanently banned me from joining any branch of the military.
@@Noneofyourbizniz1 that’s a stupid thing to be denied for.
@@Beta_Knight my recruiter even asked the Army Surgeon General for a waiver and that too was denied.
You’ll have fun at BMT!!! I’m in tech school rn, just embrace the suck with your flight and you’ll be fine!!
@taylorrowe2002 they DQing people for shellfish allergies pretty dumb
they simply dont want die
I regret signing up for selective service. I was 17 when they sent me the card to enlist and I threw it in the garbage. I wasn't going to sign it as a minor. 6 months later they sent it again and this time I sent it in. Did it ever help me to get a federal job or a federal loan? nope. People lie all of the time when it asks if you registered for selective service, they just answer yes and they still get the job.
One thing the military can do is accept criminals who are physically fit. French Foreign Legion accepts criminals if they are not found guilty of murder or drug smuggling.
You have some great theories. Accurate ones IMO. Hope your Chain is listening.
Another banger video!
PS: Thanks for the feature!
ayeee you already know! I sent that THC video to some of my friends!
@@AaronbTV 🙏🏽Appreciate you!
I remember my Drill Sergeant was fuming when I didn't graduate and I washed out - but as I have looked back on it, honestly, they got all the quality finds they could and really he shouldn't have been fuming like he was. Quality beats Quantity, and if they have a shortfall - oh well.
Been in the guard for over 3 years. Going to commission and go active. Honestly we could use the downsize, we have people that are too weak. Also retaining people, if you have highly motivated soldiers that wanna go to airborne and air assault or other schools and you tell them now, there gonna leave
They are letting in weak people...
I’m also guard thinking about commissioning how is guard and rotc at this he same time work?
@@agtkilo03 It’s easy
And also why the shouldn't the military be shrinking? It's peacetime! I don't understand why so many people worry about downsizing.
@@gavins9846 yep I’d rather have quality over quantity
On a positive note, the Marines exceeded their recruitment goal.
As long as the Army demands perfection and recruiters want the easiest signature they can pull, they will always fall short.
When i asked my friends why they say "Im not going to let someone scream at me" and "I don't wanna work for the government"
I'm over qualified for the military. They would have to pay me a large amount to work on any of the facilities or equipment.
2003 dude right here, I’m in the process right now for the army
2003 dude here too. I'm going to see a recruiter on Monday
@@joekreis8002 the process is long long, paperwork and all sorts
@@realshots3968 thanks. How long we talking? 2 weeks or something?
@@joekreis8002 it really depends on how fast you can get the paper work and all the information. Really depends on you and the recuriters time
@@realshots3968 gotcha. I hope it won't take to long
Did you mention the part of being sent to war over lies to die for politicians. Because that's my number one reason.
I am currently in Army ROTC. I like it because I can still get a degree and enjoy the college life (meet new people, go to parties, etc). I can also get a good amount of my college paid for. Then I can start my military career as a officer.
Im in Navy/Marine Corps JROTC and Im doing it cuz of that too
I got through the whole military process in 2 weeks my recruiter told me it was unheard of 😂 I leave in a weak
Yeah once i get off probation next month all i need to do is just hit meps and swear in and pick my contract and im good I already took the asvab 😂
Canada be like: wait up to over a year.
Help us
@@gavins9846 A Whole Year is Crazy
@@Edjuyl It really is. I wish I was kidding, you can look at all the canadian army forums and people will talk about the wait time. it's complete f****ing bullsh**... like are we in the 1700s where we have people delivering our files by horseback?! In fact I'm pretty sure recruitment processes were faster back then.
@@goonie9734😂😂 How was the asvab because I take mine on the 20
I enlisted in the marines yesterday I will go to boot camp June 24 2024 in San Diego
We don’t want to join because we don’t want to fight a rich man’s war for 40k a year. We should stop worrying about being the police men of the world and only worry about defending our nation. If we were to get invaded everyone is pretty much strapped so I’m not worried about that part but as long as we have a strong fortress at home and a good economy we will be good. Who wants to give up their life for 40k to fight for oil. If the fight was for America it would be different but it’s not. You’re not saving Americans you’re legit fighting for money.
Nobody fights for oil
And Who do your think that “strong fortress” is? Without our military this country would’ve been Syria or Africa on steroids. Also being “strapped” doesn’t mean shit. You civilians think just because you have guns that you can kill off trained soldiers from an invading force, y’all will end up like Iraqi insurgents probably worse because at least AQ in Iraq weren’t afraid to die and lived in rougher settings that’s you ever will. You’re not the Vietcong you’re not revolutionaries, you’re not the taliban you can’t make landmines you don’t know how to make ieds or make an IV if you’re wounded you’re potheads with Wi-Fi that believe everything you see on a TH-cam video, Eat up baseless conspiracies and call yourselves “educated” cry over being alone or getting their hearts broken, listen to mumble rap, no combat or fighting experiences and have zero discipline in almost every field of your lives. And no one is being world police. Every country we’ve ever set foot in was because that host nation asked us to do so. No one here is fighting for oil.
It’s because there are too many restrictions, if they lift some of them I’d be open to joining
People hate this country’s reputation especially gen z, why would we want to fight for a country that’s treated it’s people so terribly and we’re just forced to accept it?
I’m Gen Z and been in AF dep for the longest right now.. maybe if the process wasn’t so long more people would join. I really hope I can join soon :(
In the same boat🤦🏾♂️
@@TrevieTrev Been trying to join since October and finally got in DEP in May, its about to be 1 year of trying to enlist 🤦🏻♀️
@@chrissywhatHD That's long, I went to my recruiter in may, went to meps etc and my ship out date is august 1st currently in DEP. I think it really depends on schedule and the job you get
@@pariswilliams658 I got services and vehicle management, ill be reaching out soon to put more jobs in there like security forces and fuels hopefully. They say it’s projected for December-January but my friend who left already met a few others who are doing Services already. Not sure what to do at this point
@chrixsy same been waiting like 7 months. I’m just tryna do Cyber Systems Operations and go Space Force if possible Air Force playing games.
It comes with a sense of understanding and humbleness and also just dealing with shit. There are terrible quality places in the military and I just deal with it and it doesn’t bother me at all. It’s all in your head in reality. Learning to deal with shit helps you mature and grow as a person. You can’t come in with a spoiled entitled mentality.
Joining the military is a good way to mature and become a better person, but that comes with you putting in the effort to change and be different. From age ranges 18-26 when your brain is still developing. I see the military as developing your brain significantly higher.
It comes with failure and being called a failure so you can learn and become a better person when you leave the military.
Signing up for cav scouts with my brother. In the early paperwork process rn. Taking tests this week baby🎉
Everyone in every city in the US has seen homeless veterans drinking/doing drugs on the streets. And the government still has the gall to ask us why we don't want to join the military.
Just got done with basic I’ll be on duty after my senior year in hs
what MOS?
@@AaronbTV paralegal specialist
I joined the army in 1988. Back then jobs were hard to come by and most people joined because we could not find a job. Today jobs are more plenty and like you said they offer benefits that rival the military
@carlocunts1 would the marines increase my pencil size?
@@anxietyzyt8532 probably not
@@carlcounts1 do yk anyway i could?
It sucks to have a felony and be a bit over age but the recruiter tells you you can't serve, I feel most who learned and are trying to move forward deserve a chance to serve
this is so true cause im 18 years old and i have a few people saying I'm dumb for joining the military but i look at them and see what they doing all they do is sitting in there parents house and couch surfing good video keep it up man
It's not dumb that you joined the military. It's that smart people wouldn't.
@@DanDaFreakinMan with very few alternatives to keep a healthy physical and social life, I feel like the military is a very good place to start off at when you don't know exactly where you want to go in your adult life yet.
Saying you're smart because you aren't interested in joining the military is pretty fucking arrogant if you ask me
@@ChickentNug It's a good place to start your mental illness trial more like. Unless you're lucky you won't be getting no healthy social life there. It's full of asshats looking to fuck with you and the only way you'll make it out fine is if you're either a) an asshat as well and is part of a group that cover your back, or b) you keep your face low and avoid standing at as much as possible.
I know all of this because I am, indeed, not smart and did join the Army.
If you insist on joining the military, try Air Force or Coast Guard. The first one is probably the most gatekeeped branch, so less chance of thugs and crooks in there. The latter I heard it's fun and active apparently, but don't take my words for it.
@@DanDaFreakinMan even if you're intelligent life can force you into terrible situations with very little options for advancement, the military has always been such an option that can change an otherwise unfortunate person's destiny.
@@sisyphus_strives5463 that's why I said if you really have to join the military, go for Air Force or Coast Guard.
just graduated Coastie Bootcamp can't wait to see how the actual military treats me