These videos are great to compare before you make the decision on which speakers to buy. Mixing and matching seems to be the best way to go. I recently acquired a Fender Supersonic Twin. The previous owner installed a Celestion A Type and left the Vintage 30 in. It's a great combination and one I will leave unless I want to lighten the load a bit with some Neos.
Thank you - great comparison series! Likes the H creamback, the m 55hz cone and the Ruby alnico…truth is, if you plugged into any of these at a jam you’d likely not be worried the speaker cab was going to hold you back too much!
Love the G12M + Century Vintage combination at 0:30 a lot..would cut right through any mix, has more than enough balls/in-your-face and no annoying frequencies to me 🤘
the G12M 25w is the best! even compared with the V30 no way. The V-Type, G12H-75 and G12M-65 are preatty close but a little darker.. the Classic G12M is perfect to my hears...
Hey, this was a really good comparison. I didn't hear anything I liked more than the good 'ole Greeny. I didn't pay much attention to the blended portion of the comparison. Bedroom player here.
Awesome and useful speaker comparing, as usual ! My confirmation about my personal falling in love with G12-65 Heritage. It's same G12T-75/G1280/Classic Lead sound-family but a bit but still important less mid-range in respect to all of them. Fantastic sonic tool !
Thanks, I'm glad you found it useful. It's taken me a good while but I've fallen in love with the G12-65 too, it is such a great speaker. Thanks for watching.
I needed this video!!! Thanks!!! I was thinking to put 2 gold or ruby alnicos in my straight 412 with greenbacks. The goal was to achieve a little bit more mid punch and less high sizzle with my vintage modern. Now, I think with gold alnicos they works perfectlty!!! Maybe with hours of playing they will get also a bit warmer. Thanks
Now I know why the G12-65 is the enjoyed standard with bright JCM 800's. That said...this stuff will drive you nuts after a while...decisions...decisions!
Really interesting, I think this showed that the Greenback, like the comparison last week with the Vintage 30, pairs pretty well with most other speakers. As for which ones I preferred, kinda difficult with some much sonic info, but I think I preferred the pairings with the more similar speakers, so G12-65, both H Heritages, M Heritage, etc. That WGS Invader sounds good too. As for the mystery speakers, I've no idea what that is! Cheers.
I can't wait to say what the speaker is! I agree, I do like mixing a greenback with another similar speaker, I think they tame the H's a little too, put a bit less emphasis on the high end those speakers can bring.
yeah I think that's probably my favourite too... not massively practical sometimes with a 30 watt limit, but still love it... and that is still quite loud. Thanks for watching.
Excellent demonstration! I would like to answer an old question about speaker combinations. I'm very interested in the combination of the Greenback and G12H30... But I hear a lot of comments that the low sensitivity of the greenback makes the g12H30 Dominate the sound... does this proceed? or do they combine well?? I've even seen this combination in a Bogner speaker but I'm still in doubt. I appreciate any comments.
Hi Flavio, thanks for that. Technically you wouldn't to do it, not on paper anyway... but...... things on paper don;t always translate too well to guitar. In reality its not that big a problem as long as you are aware of it. In a closed back cab the effect seems to lessen, the H30 will reinforce the M a little. Matchless do it too, tonally it sounds great so I wouldn;t worry about it too much. In short, it is something to be aware of people on the internet do seem to blow things out of proportion a little.
Most of them sounded great with the Greenback. The G12T-75, which I usually like, sounded a bit hollow. The Ruby sounded a bit constipated. The Vintage 30s were a bit much. But aside from that, it played well with others. Any problems related to the fact that it's less efficient than most of the companion speakers?
I've paired a blue with a g12m 25 in a 2x 12 closed back in series with the blue on the bottom. I really can't hear any difference in how loud they are, thought it would be bigger. In fact i mainly hear the greenback but haven't played them at loud levels as of yet and still bracking in.
Awesome guys! Thanks. A question, do you do the process of break in the speakers? And a humble request, can you do the exact same video with the Celestion G12H30 Anniversary? I tend to prefer him over all others because the mids (1 khz), to me sound more close, open and have more bright than V30 or G12M25, that sound a bit muffled for me. Whats the speaker that sound more even in the midrange for you? Also the charts are great. Thanks again. Cheers
That is a really good question..... we went for speakers straight out of the box, which again isn't very fair but it is how you will hear gear in a music shop. Also it is hard, with so many speakers to give them the same amount of time to break in, and they also break in at different rates. Speakers will soften up with age... we're going to do a video on that soon. We will be doing videos for all those speakers... plus we have clean, dirty, rock (which this video is), heavy rock/lead and metal..... so there are a fair few videos to put out ;)
great video! I love seeing the power spectrum of each speaker. Sorry for my ignorance- I imagine these could be thought, most directly, of as a measure of the amplitude response at some fixed point on the speaker cone? But I have no idea how the actual measurement is done. The main thing I'm wondering about is how much uncertainty there is in the measurement and whether it would be interesting to subtract one power spectrum from another to highlight the differences?
I will be honest, in this situation I haven't used that setup, it is Joe that does it, it is a piece of software that analyses it. It is mostly showing the frequency response of the whole system rather than just the speaker so isn't massively useful, we just put it in there to illustrate a little. The physicist in me has a few questions about the frequency response being taken using a sweep of frequencies rather than a broadband pulse, but again I'll be honest and say I haven't looked in to it all that much, better to use your ears for this kind of stuff. Great question by the way.
Those photos are just comparison photos, we used all the same impedance speakers for the recording. The pre-rola M greenback? Well the heritage M is nice but that isn;t amde any more I don;t think.
Good question and one of the first to ask... we ran the amp pretty low, somewhere around 10 watts, both the amp and speaker should be working well in that region. Thanks for watching.
This is the best speaker info, on how do celestion sound if mix. I always wanted to know how a celestion Green back and a cream would sound if mixed up and well here we have it. A 30watt G12H 75hz with that Cream back Neo, was sex to my ears and thanks to this wonder full people i know where i need to head from here, i was kinda tired of the nothing but V30 need a change. Well worth like and subscribe.
Always wanted to like Greenbacks, have owned many and just sold my last UK made one on Ebay good riddance! Thin and buzzy in every amp and cab I have used them in far better speakers out there..
I have to except the fact that you are not trying to help the metal players out there. None of your videos offer heavy riffs and heavily distorted tones. It's a shame because you offer so many speakers that I want to hear to make my heavy metal tone the best it can be. Oh well.
I have an EVH 212ST. Its loaded with the Anniversary speakers. If I wanted to play hard rock and metal, could you tell me what might be a great speaker to mix with the Anniversary?
Mixed
V30. 0:23
Anniversary. 1:49
M Heritage. 1:55
Heritage 55. 0:58
Heritage 75. 1:19
75 Cream. 1:27
65 Cream. 1:42
Alone
V30. 5:31
Anniversary. 7:55
M Green. 5:13
M Heritage. 8:07
Heritage 55. 6:31
Heritage 75. 7:06
75 Cream. 7:19
65 Cream. 7:43
thanks
6:19 vtype
Greenback mixed with the G1230H Anniversary was so crisp and clean. Also liked the Creamback combo.
0:15 green/blue
2:02 green/t75
5:12 greenback
5:19 blue
8:19 t75
Great comparison. Confirms why I like the G12M so much. It’s got great upper mid bark and presence without the fizz.
Thanks David, I'm glad you enjoyed it.
My cab is loaded with a greenback and G12H30 Anniversay mix. Sounds fantastic.
Best speaker comparison videos on TH-cam....
Thanks, that's really kind of you.
These videos are great to compare before you make the decision on which speakers to buy. Mixing and matching seems to be the best way to go.
I recently acquired a Fender Supersonic Twin. The previous owner installed a Celestion A Type and left the Vintage 30 in. It's a great combination and one I will leave unless I want to lighten the load a bit with some Neos.
I love the alnico blue here, too. What a sound! The H creamback seems very nice as well IMO.
Yeah, the alnico blue and classic series M is possibly my favourite mix, or at least one of them.
I actually have the Greenback paired with a 65 Creamback and... fortunately... it's the combo I like best in this video!
the G12H Heritage (55Hz) is for me the best choice alone and paired with the G12 M 25 watts
That is probably my favourite speaker, I love it. Thanks for watching.
Thank you - great comparison series!
Likes the H creamback, the m 55hz cone and the Ruby alnico…truth is, if you plugged into any of these at a jam you’d likely not be worried the speaker cab was going to hold you back too much!
Thanks for watching.
Green backs are a great blending speaker. They very clean all by themselfs. Nice video!
5:12 - Greenback
5:18 - Blue
5:30 - V30
5:42 - Century Vintage
5:54 - G12-65
6:06 - Cream Alnico
6:18 - G12 V Type
6:30 - G12H Heritage 55hz
6:42 - Classic Lead 80
6:54 - Gold
7:06 - G12h Heritage 75hz
7:18 - G12H Creamback
7:30 - G12H Recback
7:42 - G12M Creamback
7:54 - G12h Anniversary
8:06 - G12M Heritage
8:18 - G12 T75
8:30 - Neo Creamback
8:42 - Ruby
Love the G12M + Century Vintage combination at 0:30 a lot..would cut right through any mix, has more than enough balls/in-your-face and no annoying frequencies to me 🤘
Great combo there, but quire rare. We've only done that once or twice before. I'm glad you like it.
These are just about perfect videos for the purpose, but I would just align the riff length with the cuts for easier comparison. Chart is great too.
Thanks for watching, we tried to look at different lengths of riff, we ended up trying to go around four bars.
the G12M 25w is the best! even compared with the V30 no way. The V-Type, G12H-75 and G12M-65 are preatty close but a little darker.. the Classic G12M is perfect to my hears...
Hey, this was a really good comparison. I didn't hear anything I liked more than the good 'ole Greeny. I didn't pay much attention to the blended portion of the comparison. Bedroom player here.
Thanks mate. You can't really go wrong with a greenback, its a great speaker
Awesome! As usual, a lot of information to process. Loved it with the Hs and the Cream M. The Neo Cream is definitely interesting too.
Excellent,thanks for watching mate.
Awesome and useful speaker comparing, as usual ! My confirmation about my personal falling in love with G12-65 Heritage. It's same G12T-75/G1280/Classic Lead sound-family but a bit but still important less mid-range in respect to all of them. Fantastic sonic tool !
Thanks, I'm glad you found it useful. It's taken me a good while but I've fallen in love with the G12-65 too, it is such a great speaker. Thanks for watching.
I needed this video!!! Thanks!!! I was thinking to put 2 gold or ruby alnicos in my straight 412 with greenbacks. The goal was to achieve a little bit more mid punch and less high sizzle with my vintage modern.
Now, I think with gold alnicos they works perfectlty!!! Maybe with hours of playing they will get also a bit warmer.
Thanks
Now I know why the G12-65 is the enjoyed standard with bright JCM 800's.
That said...this stuff will drive you nuts after a while...decisions...decisions!
Really interesting, I think this showed that the Greenback, like the comparison last week with the Vintage 30, pairs pretty well with most other speakers. As for which ones I preferred, kinda difficult with some much sonic info, but I think I preferred the pairings with the more similar speakers, so G12-65, both H Heritages, M Heritage, etc. That WGS Invader sounds good too. As for the mystery speakers, I've no idea what that is! Cheers.
I can't wait to say what the speaker is! I agree, I do like mixing a greenback with another similar speaker, I think they tame the H's a little too, put a bit less emphasis on the high end those speakers can bring.
Greenie + Blue = perfect pair to my ears… plenty bright that will cut to the band mix.
yeah I think that's probably my favourite too... not massively practical sometimes with a 30 watt limit, but still love it... and that is still quite loud. Thanks for watching.
I would love to hear the heritage 75hz 30 watt combined with the heritage 55hz 30 watt.
1:47 G12H 30th anniversary
0:50 V-Type
Excellent demonstration!
I would like to answer an old question about speaker combinations.
I'm very interested in the combination of the Greenback and G12H30... But I hear a lot of comments that the low sensitivity of the greenback makes the g12H30 Dominate the sound...
does this proceed? or do they combine well?? I've even seen this combination in a Bogner speaker but I'm still in doubt.
I appreciate any comments.
Hi Flavio, thanks for that. Technically you wouldn't to do it, not on paper anyway... but...... things on paper don;t always translate too well to guitar. In reality its not that big a problem as long as you are aware of it. In a closed back cab the effect seems to lessen, the H30 will reinforce the M a little. Matchless do it too, tonally it sounds great so I wouldn;t worry about it too much.
In short, it is something to be aware of people on the internet do seem to blow things out of proportion a little.
Doing the lord's work.
Thanks, that's very kid of you.
great comparisons. thanks for that. good work
Magnificent! Thank you guys! 10000% Infotainment
Glad you enjoyed it!
For reference id love to hear just the green back between each combo
Most of them sounded great with the Greenback. The G12T-75, which I usually like, sounded a bit hollow. The Ruby sounded a bit constipated. The Vintage 30s were a bit much. But aside from that, it played well with others. Any problems related to the fact that it's less efficient than most of the companion speakers?
I've paired a blue with a g12m 25 in a 2x 12 closed back in series with the blue on the bottom. I really can't hear any difference in how loud they are, thought it would be bigger. In fact i mainly hear the greenback but haven't played them at loud levels as of yet and still bracking in.
Awesome guys! Thanks. A question, do you do the process of break in the speakers? And a humble request, can you do the exact same video with the Celestion G12H30 Anniversary? I tend to prefer him over all others because the mids (1 khz), to me sound more close, open and have more bright than V30 or G12M25, that sound a bit muffled for me. Whats the speaker that sound more even in the midrange for you? Also the charts are great. Thanks again. Cheers
That is a really good question..... we went for speakers straight out of the box, which again isn't very fair but it is how you will hear gear in a music shop. Also it is hard, with so many speakers to give them the same amount of time to break in, and they also break in at different rates. Speakers will soften up with age... we're going to do a video on that soon. We will be doing videos for all those speakers... plus we have clean, dirty, rock (which this video is), heavy rock/lead and metal..... so there are a fair few videos to put out ;)
Wicked video guys, SOOOOO helpful!
Glad it was helpful!
@@ZillaCabs Now I know for sure that I want a G12H30 and a V30 in my cab with both of these wicked vids =) You guys rock!!
Thank you! Great comparison!
Glad it was helpful!
a low gain marshall tone is always gonna make a Greenback sound great, it's THE sound. I would love to hear a high gain comparison of these
@@Baubles1337low to mid gain. Classic rock rather than metal
great video! I love seeing the power spectrum of each speaker. Sorry for my ignorance- I imagine these could be thought, most directly, of as a measure of the amplitude response at some fixed point on the speaker cone? But I have no idea how the actual measurement is done. The main thing I'm wondering about is how much uncertainty there is in the measurement and whether it would be interesting to subtract one power spectrum from another to highlight the differences?
I will be honest, in this situation I haven't used that setup, it is Joe that does it, it is a piece of software that analyses it. It is mostly showing the frequency response of the whole system rather than just the speaker so isn't massively useful, we just put it in there to illustrate a little. The physicist in me has a few questions about the frequency response being taken using a sweep of frequencies rather than a broadband pulse, but again I'll be honest and say I haven't looked in to it all that much, better to use your ears for this kind of stuff. Great question by the way.
0:22 - V30 mix
2:02 - G12t mix
5:12 - greenback only
Ohms don’t match at 2:38. Great comparison…I like the G12 H Heritage (55 hz). Question, what would come closest to the pre-Rola Greenback?
Those photos are just comparison photos, we used all the same impedance speakers for the recording. The pre-rola M greenback? Well the heritage M is nice but that isn;t amde any more I don;t think.
How did you use a 100w head with less than 100w speaker(s) in a 1x12 cab?
Good question and one of the first to ask... we ran the amp pretty low, somewhere around 10 watts, both the amp and speaker should be working well in that region. Thanks for watching.
Im looking for a 12" to complement a 10" Greenback in a vertical 2x10/12, this video gives me a better guess
has the mystery speaker ever been revealed?
No but just for you its the hempback ;)
Wild mystery speaker
The Mystery Speaker What is it?
We're not allowed to say just yet but will let you know soon enough.
May be the GB with the new hemp cone, I guess?
5:31
6:18
6:31
7:07
7:19
8:31
8:48
1:05
2:02
6:43
8:19
can you help me how much watt powerating has a 2x12 mixing g12m with g12t75
I go 2 x the lowest wattage speaker to be safe but not sure if that's what most do
R G is right, you work from the weakest speaker so in this case a 25 watt speaker mixed with a 75 watt speaker is going to give you a 50 watt cab.
Alnico blue 5:18
Vinage 30 5:30
Alnico gold 6:54
Creamback G12M 65 7:43
G12H 70th anniversary 7:54
Alnico ruby 8:42
7:48
8:03
Thanksssssssssss
6:30
7:43
7:54
This is the best speaker info, on how do celestion sound if mix. I always wanted to know how a celestion Green back and a cream would sound if mixed up and well here we have it. A 30watt G12H 75hz with that Cream back Neo, was sex to my ears and thanks to this wonder full people i know where i need to head from here, i was kinda tired of the nothing but V30 need a change. Well worth like and subscribe.
Excellent, thanks for that, that is very kind of you.
6:12
6:18
6:33
6:49
0:58 1:20
0:29
2:10
Always wanted to like Greenbacks, have owned many and just sold my last UK made one on Ebay good riddance! Thin and buzzy in every amp and cab I have used them in far better speakers out there..
I repeat again, but great again..Just Joe please don't talk so fast .... :-)
A lot of comments are that we shouldn't talk as much so we'll take that as a compliment ;) Thanks as always for watching Marek.
I have to except the fact that you are not trying to help the metal players out there. None of your videos offer heavy riffs and heavily distorted tones. It's a shame because you offer so many speakers that I want to hear to make my heavy metal tone the best it can be. Oh well.
I have an EVH 212ST. Its loaded with the Anniversary speakers. If I wanted to play hard rock and metal, could you tell me what might be a great speaker to mix with the Anniversary?
Greenback g12h 1:19
Redback 1:34
Greenback 20m 1:55
GB 7:24