Eversince season 4 I've assumed whoever breaks free from Gabriel's control themselves without the Akuma object having to be broken (which btw was the case for Lila in revelation) gets to remember what they did when akumatized. As far as I can remember every time that happens in the show the akuma victim immediately apologizes for their actions and doesn't act all confused like when Ladybug "forcefully" de-akumatizes someone. Also even if Lila didn't remember it's pretty clear she already had her plan figured out in advance. We're even shown her putting her phone in her locker before getting akumatized, so I think it makes sense that she would just assume that she followed through with the plan she already had. And when it comes to Chloé in Miracle Queen, I'm pretty sure she agreed to working with Hawk Moth before she actually got akumatized so I feel like it makes sense for her to remember that.
I did consider the second chunk about Lila already having her plan figured out, and I think that could be a plausible explanation in case she didn't actually recall anything from her akumatisation! Although, like Haze already mentioned, Chloe in Queen Banana seemed to immediately recognise Vesperia after she was de-akumatised, meaning she did remember what happened during her akumatisation. And to add to that, the akuma object was broken by Ladybug, too, and yet Chloe remembers everything. It's confusing, tbh.
"I do kind of fundamentally disagree with the statement in the bible" was not on my list-of-things-to-hear-Haze-say but it definitely sounds great out of context. XD
Hearing you readibg me the show bible while drawing is the most relaxing thing ever. Cant wait for the nest parts!! I didn't read it so this was very interesting!!
Interestingly, Representation is (apart from Action) the only episode from which the bible mentions absolutely nothing aside from its synopsis, which was very short. Honestly this episode caught my attention since day 1
About who remembers being akumatized and who doesn't, maybe only those do who are actually mean irl? Like, if someone feels one negative emotion but is very kind otherwise, they forget all about it and return to their normal lives. But if someone is manipulative and/or mean in everyday life (like Lila and Chloe) and is happy to be akumatized, they will remember. Also, I still don't understand Lila's identities. Because if she goes by Cerise at the other school where she dons the short hair-hazel eyes-different outfit appearance, why does she also go by Cerise with her 2nd mom, while wearing the Lila appearance? Based on this, she has four different lives: 1. wears the Lila outfit and goes by Lila - with her first mom and in Francoise Dupont school 2. wears the Lila outfit and goes by Cerise - with her second mom 3. wears the Lila outfit and goes by Iris Verdi - with her third mom 4. wears the Cerise outfit and goes by Cerise - in the other school. Like how the heck does she keep all of that up??? And seems like she's about to go back to Francoise Dupont under the name Iris Verdi, but a different outfit...this is breaking my brain lol
hmm maybe. although idk to me miss bustier seems to remember in 23 but she's a good person honestly after talking with ahmed this afternoon, the lila identities has conufsed me again XD
10:20 Somewhat recently I noticed that the blog has been mentioned a few times in throwaway lines. Specifically, in Despair Bear, the photoshoot with the girls is mentioned to be for it, and in Truth, she tells Luka the photos of Adrien Ziggy sent him were for it, but it's just strange how haven't even seen it on screen. 25:10 Based on what we see in the show, it seems like willingly akumatized villains (Gabriel, Nathalie, Tomoe, Lila, Chloé) fully keep their memories , while those who only got akumatized because of their negative emotions rarely ever remember anything (the only example I can think of is Truth, but even that isn't a great one). 27:20 He also used it in Pixelator, but yes, it hasn't returned since. Mayura did do a similar thing in Feast and Ladybug, though. 29:05 In Furious Fu, Su-Han wasn't happy with the guardian wearing a miraculous, also saying that Fu wearing one was proof he wasn't a real one, but this also hasn't been stated in-show. 29:55 The original script and concept art call her Bee Bug, but the official YT channel, Thomas Astruc and Feri González have called her Lady Bee, so she is Lady Bee. 36:20 Not really, since both went into the same object in Truth, Queen Banana and Mega Leech. They did go into separate objects in Reflekdoll and Guiltrip, though.
I think there is a number of practical considerations, like if you make them snog at 16 no one really cares, where it is a bit voyeuristic at 14. it also allows Marinette to get her scooter too. though she could have had that before as you can use a scooter at 14. It might look a bit odd to those who think that is unusual, Especially when they show so many of the teens only have a bicycle. Marinette owns a Bicycle but doesn't seem to use it, she rather pinches other people's over an over again, it to me implies she mis-uses her Miraculous or catches the bus I guess to get around Paris as they seem to have forgotten that she had a Bicycle at all really. Oddly the toyline didn't as they are giving her one soon.
Thanks for the video, Haze! Definitely a good idea to read it now. Are you also going to read some scripts of season 1-5? All scripts contain lots of deleted scenes.
17:14 Also, i hate the whole "reversed fairytale" like Making Adrien a damsel in distress, when he's whole arc is about him gaining control over his life is so infuriating, this feels like a decision someone would take in a 2003 3d barbie movie, and even then the male character also had some stuff to do Astruc really went "Oh yeah, i know how i can fix the whole damsel in distress thing and make it more progressive! I WILL JUST GENDERBEND IT" Like, imagine all the people that like Gender-bending AUs, if they would to try gender-bending the S5 finale things would feel so weeeeird
Yeah Genderbending Miraculous leads to some very strange places, Like having Marin stitching woman's clothing Or what Gabe says about his daughter sounding super creepy & Making Marin's lust for Adrienne seem a bit less wholesome unless you are very careful with the framing of that being more of a protective thing. I find Adrienne hard to get a handle on where as Marin seems pretty easy, as Marin isn't that different from Marinette, maybe a bit less pushy and not quite so shy. knowing a little bit about physiological difference helps though. You can get some idea of what Marin might be like for example by looking at some character aspects of Marc, Luka and Nath. A Male take on Lila and Chloe can be both really tragic or proper unpleasant though very easily. But as a rule genderbending Miraculous works well, as it is already partially genderbent as it is anyway, so genderbending it just undoes some of that and applies it elsewhere instead.
I love the idea of Nathalie's secret wish! It makes way more sense in context of seasons 1-4. I agree that Nathalie is one of the best written characters in the show, but I never got her motivations in early seasons - just why she wants bring back dead wife of man she loves? Romantic love is selfish, hates to share, and having Emelie around would ruin Nathalie's love story. But with her wanting to at the end "betray" Gabriel with taking wish for herself, makes way more sense and I love it. And what would be the price? Someone has to stop love Nathalie - maybe Adrien? What a drama! Nathalie's attachment to Emilie is decent reason too, but my problem is that it is season 5 exclusive. In previous seasons she doesn't show any emotions towards her, making her change of mind rapid and out of nowhere.
And I remember that I read it somewhere that Gabriel threw away the Miraculous which was found by Lila. I din't remember when and where but...I saw it more than 1 time...somewhere. And I actually forgot about it until today!!
This is amazing. I am so sad we didn't see some of these make it into the final cut. Especially that scene in the end with Iris. But I guess they changed their minds last minute, because maybe they want to full on talk or mention that persona in the next season, so we don't get confused. I still think Lila is Manon, and you can't convince me otherwise. But great video. Since Marinette is getting older, I hope they touch on her website and blog process, because that's a sort of business thing, and I think it would be essential to show that, to show that Marinette is growing both physically and mentally, and to strengthen her and Alya's relationship as civilians. We also did have another discarded Lila disguise, I don't know if that would've been Iris, but they probably discared it, again, because they're gonna use it next season. But that's just my guess. I hope Nino gets a bigger focus next season, instead of being forgotten in the show bible 😅 Speaking of Nino, I think he does remember what he did when he was akumatised into Rocketear. Which is why he apologised to Cat Noir after he got his magical charm. Keep up the good work :D
I hate Representation. I'll hate it till the end of my life. No one can ever fight me that the plot was good or the storytelling was original or whatever. PERIOD💅🏻
And about Lila's mum...just forget about the 1 we saw in Risk (Shadow Moth's Final Attack - Part 1). It is not necessary that if she's going with Lila she's necessarily her mum. Just focus on the others. It's between 2 and not 3 now.(I think so)
20:00 Yes, I think in ladywifi when he touches the wifi thing and the signal goes off. I think that is something similar to blowing a fuse and not necessarily destroying something.
Hey, Bestie. So I can kind of see how people think Maribug is a bit older than she actually is. So Marinette is a 10th grader. We know this from when she dropped her textbook in season 1. I'm not sure if it's different in France, but in the states 10th graders are usually 15 turning 16 sometime that year.
In stormy weather cat noirs cataclysm rusts the post on the stand, it looks destroyed and falls but it’s still in tact! Also in origins part 2 the cataclysm on the Eiffel Tower sends a really sharp spike flying out that he grabbed into! ❤
Hey Haze! So I don’t know if you’ve already heard of this but in Germany , German supermarkets are giving out Miraculous booster packs! Maybe you can get your hands on some on the internet.
Oh so you’re reading the show bible interesting don’t get me wrong it’s just that If I remember correctly it was when you started doing the commentary/analysis videos for season 5 you didn’t want to know any leaks but now that season 5 is over now you can read it. On a side note however I wish that the awakening movie had a uk release in cinemas maybe some day they will.
…. Hi bestie, not sure if you watched the opening of the video, but I do address this. I say I hope no one interprets this as me condoning the leaks, which I still do not. It was horrible and I hope nothing like it happens again. However, the season is over now, and as a professional writer I did think this was interesting to look at. Please watch what I have to say before making any incorrect judgments as I do address this in the vidoe
Haze, I have a video idea for you. Why don't you try and kinda rewrite the show? Put your perspective on things. Not the whole show ofc, but ytubers have already done this and I'd love to see u do it!
Honestly, wtf is up with Lila having DIFFERENT MOTHERS who apparently DON'T REALLY EVEN KNOW WHO SHE IS.?!?! Like, how is this even legal?! They obviously couldn’t adopt her or anything, especially if any one of them is her actual biological/legal mother. And at some point I thought, well maybe they’re like aunts or family friends or something who she just calls “mom” (or iterations of mom) but they aren’t really like her mom, it’s simply like an affectionate nickname. But then it raises the question, HOW TF DO THEY NOT KNOW HER REAL NAME?! Do they think it’s like, a phase or something? Since one of them thinks she’s like an actress it could be argued that maybe she thinks it’s like her artistic name? (which btw how does she not know this isn’t true?! Like fooling school friends is plausible to an extent, there’s really no way they can actually know for a fact whether this is true or not, but A PARENT?! Did Lila hire someone to pretend to be a director or something? Like obviously if she got hired to work on a film, they'd need for a parent/legal guardian to sign for stuff, and also probably to handle the payments unless of course she’s emancipated, but still like you'd think she'd wanna make some sort of research or something on the director or the production in general! This also goes for the one who thinks she's off to the savanna, like, kids need parents to sign permission slips to go to a freaking school field trip, you'd think going to the middle of who knows where would require some sort of legal form to be filled out and also at least check that some grown up is going to look over her daughter! ) but like, how exactly did this even come to happen?! They couldn’t have possibly “adopted”/taken her in when she was a baby, right? So then did they just kidnap a teenager?! Like what exactly is their arrangement?! Also, it’s one thing to be like “I'm Cerise now” at school and kids believing it but like how exactly does she even enroll in these schools? Do they not ask for ANY form of ID in public schools?! XD do they not need to also credit that she had VALID SCHOOLING up to the grade she wants to enroll in? Like if she finished (I think it’s like 9th grade? Lol) as Lila Rossi, then how can cerise enroll to 10th grade if there isn’t any paper that say cerise graduated from 9th? There are so many legal concerns surrounding this, miraculous logic has always been whacky, and specially when it come to how the legal system works (Chloe, not even being old enough to freaking VOTE, becoming MAYOR without even holding an election is an example of this complete disregard of the law even existing in this world lmao) but still, like how tf do you explain any of this?! It completely baffles me how they chose to change or exclude certain things from the Bible that actually made more sense, while they looked at Lila having a bunch of different identities with a MOTHER FOR EACH OF THEM and were like “looks legit!! Can’t see what we could possibly change or rework about this at all! Obviously this is a perfectly reasonable thing for a 13 YEAR OLD to do, and for grown ups to accept” lmfaooooo
Lol idk how Lila is able to keep this up. And how does she convince them?! Like if a girl came to me and was like you’re my mum, I’d be like… I have never been pregnant XD but tbf I have no clue how ANYONE in this show hasn’t worked out before confrontation that Lila isn’t who she says she is. Like do none of them use google?! Lila’s lies rely on everyone being stupid and gullible
@@hazeclarke ikr! Like, most people don’t even take stray animals home, imagine going out and finding like an 11 year old (cause this must’ve happened AT LEAST a year or two ago, right?) who's like “will you be my momma? 🥺” or something lol and just taking her to your home to raise her, no questions asked xd girl, call the police or something! She could be a missing child! Aren’t there child protective services in France? XD And yeah, I also have no idea how she can manage her identities. Like I can barely keep up with my normal life as is lmfao how does she find the energy to juggle with 3 (or maybe even more) different lives? XD I guess she doesn’t really live them simultaneously, like we've seen she’s basically missed the whole year of school cuz she’s busy on “film sets” so maybe in this time she switches between alter egos for a while, but still it must be exhausting keeping up with the lies you tell each group of ppl! Also, It’s funny that despite the fact that in the world of miraculous technology is much more advanced than the one in the real world, apparently google doesn’t exist xd and like, Markov is such an advanced AI he basically gained sentience and is smart beyond imagination, and yet not even HE can look up her lies or detect her stories don’t match up? You'd think a bot who probably has access to like the entire google database would at some point find SOMETHING about her stories that is a lie Despite all these logical fallacies lmao, I like the idea of having Lila as the next hawmoth, as she’s clearly much more capable and dangerous than gabe ever was, and I'm really curious to see where they’re planning to take this. :) Hope they handle her villain arc well. Though it is really sad to see Gabe's intelligence doesn’t even match up to that of 13 year olds xd
36:39 I am so stuck on this atm. 😆 Yes, we know it is possible for an amok and an akuma to enter the same object because Reflekdoll, but you are 100% correct that it would have killed her if they broke that ring and her amok escaped! Gabriel Babes had to know that that is where her amok was… I am SHOOK. I think you’re probably right that they didn’t think it through. Or maybe that’s why Monarch Daddy made her mist, so it couldn’t be destroyed? It would have made far more sense to put the akuma into the friendship quiz before she dropped it.
like i think they know because it's what mkaes Tomoe burst in scremaing at the end of the episode but gabe knows she's senti. in protection tomoe and gabriel talk about it. so why would he do it?! there's no guarantee cat noir wouldn't cataclysm the ring
25:19 Ooh ooh I can share my theory on this! So I think they only remember most of it if they tried to resist at some point, broke free or were intending to be akumatized in the first place. Otherwise they remember bits and pieces like if it was a dream. This is more or less consistent with the show. Also if it’s based on willpower I’ve got truckloads of that, so my self insert would remember everything ;p
+40:05 I think Cerise (Lila in disguise) was looking down the hole when Gabe was defeated and so saw where the Butterfly brooch landed so she snuck down there (somehow - maybe she had the plans for the lift in the documents she stole and just used the lift) and then recovered the Miraculous, it seems like Shadybug then shows up and pinches it off her in turn.
My headcannon as to who can remember what happened during an akumatization is that if they reject the Akuma or have it revoked they remember, but if they’re defeated by Ladybug and Cat Noir they don’t…and if you’re like Mr Pigeon it just happens so often that when he wakes up somewhere in front of Ladybug and Cat Noir he knows that it happened again
I think Lila’s many identities are really interesting…she didn’t need to be akumatized into Chameleon, she already IS one. Personally I think the Cerise design is probably what she really looks like as we see her take off her Lila wig and I doubt she stopped to change her contacts during that call…hopefully they explore this more in season 6 because I absolutely LOVE Lila/Cerise/Iris/whatever her name is as a villain, giving her the butterfly miraculous just makes sense to me.
I think the akuma villian not remembering varies, like i think if they defeated by ladybug they don't remember but if the akuma gets rejected or hawk daddy de-akumatizes them then they will remember
+9:31 I guess with the show being compressed into a single year Cat Noir did see Ladybug almost everyday, but they didn't canonise Patrol (in fact Astruc mocked the idea when he was approached with it initially only to later have the show use it anyway) But I would suggest they just forget stuff like they forgot that Marinette was supposed to be getting Chinese Lesson for months. Or that they totally forgot that she's a championship level Videogamer. I'm a bit annoyed with Marinette the way she dismisses her Father, that kinda disgusts me, especially when you see her "forgetting" Mother's day too. But earlier on they stated (in Star Train) attacks are on average 3 days a week, which is reasonable as Gabe has a business to run. They did at one point imply the kids were falling asleep in class due to a large number of Night attacks though, but the show just glossed that over too. & as a rule Hawkmoth is as likely to attack at day or night either ways. But no I wouldn't say he see's LB every day the Puppeteer 2 "Girl he's in love with" line is one of the most infamous things they had amnesia over as if Marinette knows Adrien loves someone else why they hell is she still stalking him. and then even more weirdly they say Adrien loved Marinette with a little L since she kissed him What "Bizarre" writing this show has. Also go watch Season One Ladybug and ten watch Season 4 LADYBUG even stress can't so easily explain the complete character change especially when it's not maintained bu they flip-flop on it constantly back to normal and then back to angst again.
@@hazeclarke They didn't seem to really exist at least not in a really overt way until The Shanghai Special. then they implied it again in Sole Crusher, before that "zip" outside of Instagram of course we see Cat Noir being stood up at the start of Season 4 for "Patrol" but when they actually started having them, and when they turned into just friendship hang out excuses remains pretty vague - which did have it before hand too. I guess when they are playing cards and pondering about Felix, that is what they do a fair bit anyway, though obviously not during season 4. That is likely why they purposefully forgot about it again, as if they want Cat Noir to be missing ladybug then they can't do that if they say they have patrol. They do seem to end episodes with them sitting on roofs quite a bit so I guess that is what we can retrospectively imply is the end of a "Patrol". As often in the earlier seasons Cat Noir would say he only saw Ladybug during an akuma battle and otherwise not at all.
The reason people thought Marinette was 15 some time after Season 3 was people on the production kept saying as much. They were going to retcon an additional school year in so they were at the school for 2 years rather than one thus Marinette being 15 (note Alix and Juleka seem to be 15 at some point in the show implying Alix was also held back a school year too or Juleka's birthday was her 16th Birthday shown later on) You can see evidence of the extra year in the start of the Shanghai Special. It is rather strange that they let as much as they did go to air, it makes it look like they had time to catch it and didn't. I find it interesting how often Astruc is completely clueless as to what is happening in the show and how many "essential aspects" he also had nothing to do with, and so when he was in charge those aspect disappear entirely from the show. For example ever notice Cat Noir doesn't Pun much anymore ? That is because that was not something Astruc was interested in doing and as such would leave out. But yeah this show is a janky mess, it really doesn't help that they completely ignore the love Square totally nuked Ladynoir and never allowed the pair to get to know each other, thus making their romance feel fake an creepy. Remember Marinette was still obsessed with Adrien and unaware of his actual character right up until RISK and beyond. Marichat was completely fumbled, none of the writers wanted to touch Ladrien with a bargepole (and even seem to completely miss the point of it in their statements) I can see why everyone and their dog says the Fanfiction is superior it isn't just because it's coherent story telling, but because the fans understand the themes and consequences of given action, not everyone in ever fic sure, but overall the issue get address that are ignored on the show. I often say Miraculous is likely only going to really work once it;s reboot at some future point as then they can plan it out better hopefully. I think they may have one of the worse run shows this century so yay Zagtoon for having more drama making the show than is in the show. Also why did they suddenly stop having proper fights, when Action Had one is was pretty shocking as it had been so long since we'd had a proper decent fight on the show that wasn't just bish bosh lucky charm, cataclysm 'done' None of that complex back and forth of Simon Says. Stormy Weather, or Lady Wi Fi.
it defintiely is janky at times, but mari has always been aware of who Adrien is as a person and didn't have feelings for him just because he's handsome or rich. She was simply unaware he didn't want to be a model because he had bever said but lol yes you're right baout the miraculous fan fic!
@@hazeclarke Remember in early Season 4 when Marinette is watching a Montage of Adrien's life she says in English his life (and by implication him) are perfection, / Miraculous (depending on the dub) she also agree's with Gabriel when he says this in Simon says. It is not until Risk that we see her really question this, she does say earlier that she wants to be friends with him as she doesn't know him well (yet) but the show didn't really do this instead they threw it all into risk and then early season 5 (Adrienette speed dating by videochat). it's a shame as they had the chance to do this since Anansi they just didn't do it. So that is why I say they relationship feels very last minute, Ladybug comes across like one of Adrien's crazy fans a bit to much in Risk/Strike Back and she even has some awareness that this isn't ideal. But I think the show really failed to build this up and stick the landing, I think it would have been nice for her to realise she was in love with the image Gabriel created for Adrien and didn't know him, and then want to get to know him and fall in love properly and then even see in him what he is or could be, we get more hints that Adrien's real persona is a work in process from Kagami's comments though I feel. As it stands it comes across a bit to much like a fixation leading to dating, that is part of the reason why people didn't like Ethemeral. as isn't that the problem in reverse too, that Cat Noir/Adrien is in love with the idea o ladybug he has in his head and then that idea really disappoints him in season 4... nothing much happens as a consequence of that though, and all that really happened as a consequence is Ladynoir is on pause. But I never got the impression Marinette was friends with Adrien, how can she be if she can't string a sentence together around him. They are doing it like people who decide to date to get to know each other rather than two people who already know each other and then decide to date, they are almost strangers in the show.... and boy must that drive Chloe nuts.
I mean it hasn’t been stated yet but he did 4/5 (?) times in Revolution so let’s just say he has multiple! Either way, he should be able to save one for destroying an akuma
@@hazeclarke Oh true, I think it's because he was wearing the rabbit miraculous and was travelling through time. As Chat Noir says in the episode "Have I used it, or am I going to use it" ("it" being the cataclysm).
@@priyarooprai1532 Small correction, but: the "it" here referred to the power of the rabbit miraculous, not the black cat miraculous, bestie. I think you misunderstood what Haze meant; she was referring to _Revolution,_ (which is episode 23,) and not _Evolution_ (which was episode 1). Though I can see why you'd confuse the two, as they're literally one letter away from being the same. 😂
36:12 I think I have an explanation for this one! (at the time of writing this I have seen anything past this point) it seems that if the two miraculouses are wielded by two different people, they will not share an object like in Reflekdoll, but when one person uses both miraculous, they can both inhabit the same object like in truth and Queen banana It still contradicts kagami being a sentimonster
In timebreaker it’s alix’s 15th birthday and they are in the same school year, I used to think she was 14 but then I listened to that episode and I’ve been thinking recently that she’s 15
I wonder if Lila repeatedly works in the Hotel, what a shame they didn't show her in the background for months that would have been a nice touch like how Master Fu is seen in the background before he's properly introduced (like in Animan for example he's at the Zoo),
Heyy! The final fight wouldn't even have been then! Because Gabriel versus Ladybug...seriously? 1 punch from Ladybug and he's out. Or...wait...do you mean him throwing away the Butterfly Miraculous while keeping the others?
Love your nails Haze! Amazing video as usual! I have a theory for s6 that I have seen discussed on certain other channels (it's a theory, not a leak) that in s6 Argos will be snapped out of existence. Felix will be gone from the show 😢 For me personally he is the best character because as an anti hero he's not good, he's not bad and yet his actions make sense and Feligami too because they are both sentimonsters. Felix wasn't in a relationship and Kagami broke up with Adrien. She doesn't exactly like the true Adrien so it makes sense why she would like Felix. Rewatching all the Felix episodes I think he's a great character and his design as Argos is just awesome. He's got everything a three dimensional character must have with a personality and backstory. Could you do a video discussing the theory of his death? (Jbtw Chloe's death has been confirmed by Thomas Ass-trump so it's not impossible for another character to be killed off). Funny how in this show the best characters with the most potential are always the wasted ones.
Kagami has not been akumatised into her ring in a way that required the ring to be destroyed though. She's usually akumatised via another object like her sword or a flower for example. So she deakimatised herself if its her ring to avoid well "killing her". Note the retcon about Felix's amok though it was one of the twin rings and now it's Colt Fatham's ring. so a retcon just like Felix's change in nationality and last name was too.
His amok was never in the twin rings. That was were Adrien’s amok was hidden. I think the reason he took the ring was so that he could give it to Adrien next time.
@@hazeclarke It is a bit vague, but Gabriel acted like he "expected" the ring to control Felix. But they have been know to retcon things such as the whole identity issue has been retconed twice now.
36:03 Wait the last line of this section, is this why Adrien is so loving? Is this why Felix is not? Oh my gosh guys it isn’t Felix’s fault, I can simp for him! 🥳
About argos and mayura not having masks, everyone recognises argos as felix, we see in emotion that adrien is called into a locker by argos rather than felix, but he calls him felix, adrien hasn'tseen felix transform, that'swhy this is more poignant. And mayuras eye cover thing could technically be a mask if the shows definition of mask is just face covering.
B.T.W from where did you get to know her full name as Iris Verdi? Was it on Mister Damocles' computer at the end of Re-creation (The Last Day - Part 2)? I don't remember...
Haze, I find it quite ironic that you didn't want to know about season five's bible of spoilers, but here you are, freely talking about THIS bible... 😆
My guess is Adrien and Felix and Kagami are half sentis and half human or just Adrien and Felix as not much is known of Kagami's father or if she had one. As it stated that Emelie and Amelie are infertile but it didn't mention any problems for Gabriel or Colt to have any reproduction problems so it may state that the two cousins may be half sentis and are half related to the peacock miraculous and half related to humanity.
@@hazeclarke Is it confirmed that you can't? I still don't know if Adrien and Marinette get married then can they have kids and would they be half senti?
24:52 No because if a housefly enters the house I run away screaming 😭 My least favourite fly might well be the wasp shaped flies that bzzt and fly at the window I’m half South African and in Afrikaans those are _brommers_ Because they go _brommmmm_ 😂
I can see why they didn't go through with Natalie having a plan to make Gabe fall in love with her. That would be literally taking away his consent and making herself a villain for doing the same thing Gabe does. Yeah Gabe is the worst person, but no one deserves that. It's the same as those tropes where someone slipped a love potion to another unknowingly (Harry Potter)... Looks cute theatrically, but when you really think about the implications... 😬
+16:34 It is fine to explain it in the bible but they sort of neglected to tell people in the actual show any of that in face the charms prove to be not only useless but like an akuma magnet to mega akuma. Also the use of contained negative emotions in what is supposed to be a positive charm makes zero sense to me anyway.
Bestie please let my comment stay here! 😂😅😢 I feel like Suhan's fear of Cat Noir going rogue might be a plot point in the next season.. because even though Adrien had renounced his miraculous in the past, it means nothing now. because now there's so much stacked up for that to happen.
But...by "*to its fullest*" do they really mean _just staying transformed..._ I mean...if she could do that that means that(me giggling while writing "that" so many times L.O.L😂)she's *used her power to* her *fullest*? *fullest* means just getting to not detransform? I don't think so.
”To belive she wants to be a fasion designer looking like that” *Meanwhile Gabriel for 4 seasons dressing up as a candycane* (Sorry this just felt hilarious to me 😅)
There's a theory going around that Lils is actually Manon. How do you feel about that one, Haze? I really don't see Lila x Adrien the same way now. I always thought 🙄 & 🤢, but now, it's 😱 & 🤮
It doesn't make sense for Emilie to be in a slumber/coma. She wouldn't be alive for a whole year without the necessary equipment for feeding. She's clearly dead and Gabriel has just preserved her corpse.
I think Nathalie can't use Mayura's full power meaning that she can't create multiple sentis as she is only shown creating one senti while transformed as well she can de-transform even as an adult as in Truth she does but she doesn't say the words to de-transform or her miraculous isn't showing the sign of de-transformation so my guess it has to do with the damage.
The bible saying stuff like...SPOILERS? they might change in next seasons, but are things that ARE said in the bible about the future "Chloe will always be a brat" and "Adrien never discovers who his father is" MAKES ME BELIEVE A LOT, that Astruc will make an in canon reason to why he can't know, like the whole Cat Blanc stuff and be like "I know more than you guys, Adrien won't and doesn't need to know" and pull another "He's Ken" I feel like wanting a child's guardianship from an abusive parent
oh gosh some of the stuff thomas says on twitter is so infuriating. plus as well i saw him after re-creation saying adrien wasn't there because cat blanc would happen again. which is literally admitting adrien hasn't developed *since* cat blanc
@@hazeclarke I really, REALLY think that Adrien will actually never know about Gabriel, because when Thomas makes a bad decision he normally presses on it And if so, the idea that Marinette, Plaag, HIS MOM, Nathalie, Felix and Kagami never told him the true, like till his death It's so bad, like, HORRIBLY BAD
@@hazeclarke I think you’re royally missing the point. It’s not just Adrien himself that is a concern. Its GABRIEL. Everytime he found out, Gabriel did as wel and Gabriel weaponized that fact.
Once there isn't an active Butterfly holder there is no reason he couldn't know then (I think he will find out though at some point for plot angst reasons... even if they undo it with time travel "again"), I think it's rather disparaging to say he can't find out, Gabriel is dead after all he just has to get over the upset. Hell if Marinette was being fair about it she could book a 2 week holiday away from Paris and then just tell him, then he'd have time to get over it. As the alternative is that she marries the guy while she's still lying to him. That would be as bad as him never knowing he's not a real boy, though I can see why that might be a secret she wants to keep. it's a rather deadly secret.
I bet neither if those ladies are her mom. That girl has lied about everything so far. I think she's just using them. They were probably hired to take care of her or at least pretend to.
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Ladybug is the creator of Five minute crafts
Change my mind
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Hers are actually good 😂
+9:38 Marinette does indeed have a Fashion Blog, only instagram followers would have seen it though.
Poor Miraculous Instagram :(
Eversince season 4 I've assumed whoever breaks free from Gabriel's control themselves without the Akuma object having to be broken (which btw was the case for Lila in revelation) gets to remember what they did when akumatized. As far as I can remember every time that happens in the show the akuma victim immediately apologizes for their actions and doesn't act all confused like when Ladybug "forcefully" de-akumatizes someone.
Also even if Lila didn't remember it's pretty clear she already had her plan figured out in advance. We're even shown her putting her phone in her locker before getting akumatized, so I think it makes sense that she would just assume that she followed through with the plan she already had.
And when it comes to Chloé in Miracle Queen, I'm pretty sure she agreed to working with Hawk Moth before she actually got akumatized so I feel like it makes sense for her to remember that.
I did consider the second chunk about Lila already having her plan figured out, and I think that could be a plausible explanation in case she didn't actually recall anything from her akumatisation!
Although, like Haze already mentioned, Chloe in Queen Banana seemed to immediately recognise Vesperia after she was de-akumatised, meaning she did remember what happened during her akumatisation. And to add to that, the akuma object was broken by Ladybug, too, and yet Chloe remembers everything. It's confusing, tbh.
ah yeah that's true about lila!
"I do kind of fundamentally disagree with the statement in the bible" was not on my list-of-things-to-hear-Haze-say but it definitely sounds great out of context. XD
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Hearing you readibg me the show bible while drawing is the most relaxing thing ever. Cant wait for the nest parts!! I didn't read it so this was very interesting!!
Aww thank you bestie! 🥰
Interestingly, Representation is (apart from Action) the only episode from which the bible mentions absolutely nothing aside from its synopsis, which was very short. Honestly this episode caught my attention since day 1
Hmm interesting!
About who remembers being akumatized and who doesn't, maybe only those do who are actually mean irl? Like, if someone feels one negative emotion but is very kind otherwise, they forget all about it and return to their normal lives. But if someone is manipulative and/or mean in everyday life (like Lila and Chloe) and is happy to be akumatized, they will remember.
Also, I still don't understand Lila's identities. Because if she goes by Cerise at the other school where she dons the short hair-hazel eyes-different outfit appearance, why does she also go by Cerise with her 2nd mom, while wearing the Lila appearance? Based on this, she has four different lives: 1. wears the Lila outfit and goes by Lila - with her first mom and in Francoise Dupont school 2. wears the Lila outfit and goes by Cerise - with her second mom 3. wears the Lila outfit and goes by Iris Verdi - with her third mom 4. wears the Cerise outfit and goes by Cerise - in the other school. Like how the heck does she keep all of that up??? And seems like she's about to go back to Francoise Dupont under the name Iris Verdi, but a different outfit...this is breaking my brain lol
hmm maybe. although idk to me miss bustier seems to remember in 23 but she's a good person
honestly after talking with ahmed this afternoon, the lila identities has conufsed me again XD
10:20 Somewhat recently I noticed that the blog has been mentioned a few times in throwaway lines. Specifically, in Despair Bear, the photoshoot with the girls is mentioned to be for it, and in Truth, she tells Luka the photos of Adrien Ziggy sent him were for it, but it's just strange how haven't even seen it on screen.
25:10 Based on what we see in the show, it seems like willingly akumatized villains (Gabriel, Nathalie, Tomoe, Lila, Chloé) fully keep their memories , while those who only got akumatized because of their negative emotions rarely ever remember anything (the only example I can think of is Truth, but even that isn't a great one).
27:20 He also used it in Pixelator, but yes, it hasn't returned since. Mayura did do a similar thing in Feast and Ladybug, though.
29:05 In Furious Fu, Su-Han wasn't happy with the guardian wearing a miraculous, also saying that Fu wearing one was proof he wasn't a real one, but this also hasn't been stated in-show.
29:55 The original script and concept art call her Bee Bug, but the official YT channel, Thomas Astruc and Feri González have called her Lady Bee, so she is Lady Bee.
36:20 Not really, since both went into the same object in Truth, Queen Banana and Mega Leech. They did go into separate objects in Reflekdoll and Guiltrip, though.
lol you'd think if gabriel has so much control he'd actually, you know, use it XD
In Queen Banana:
1. Chloe remembers what happened after getting defeated.
2. The akuma and amok were in the same spot when Chloe got akumatized.
Oooo! Thank you 💖
I AM SO EXCITED TO WATCH THIS AFTER SCHOOL.
Awww thank you bestie 🥰
7:05 If i remember, in the Miraculous movie universe Adrien and Mari ARE 16, so i guess Jeremy liked the idea of having them be more mature
even though they look so small
Lmaooo they like 8 😂
I think there is a number of practical considerations, like if you make them snog at 16 no one really cares, where it is a bit voyeuristic at 14. it also allows Marinette to get her scooter too. though she could have had that before as you can use a scooter at 14. It might look a bit odd to those who think that is unusual, Especially when they show so many of the teens only have a bicycle.
Marinette owns a Bicycle but doesn't seem to use it, she rather pinches other people's over an over again, it to me implies she mis-uses her Miraculous or catches the bus I guess to get around Paris as they seem to have forgotten that she had a Bicycle at all really.
Oddly the toyline didn't as they are giving her one soon.
I'm here for the bible reading 🙏🏽
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Thanks for the video, Haze! Definitely a good idea to read it now. Are you also going to read some scripts of season 1-5? All scripts contain lots of deleted scenes.
Ooo I’ll talk to Ahmed about some of the deleted scenes!
Ooooh. We reading the bible now!
He says as if he didn’t make most of this video possible
@@hazeclarke Shush.
I don't know this Ahmed you speak of.
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5:03 when you realise you are going to experience hell. Mostly when related to Chloe and Adrien. Nathalie to an extent too.
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37:15 YES YES YES, it doesn't make any sense that FELIX MADE A SENTI OUT OF NOWHERE, and then kills him
like what?
Lmaooo felix in 19: sentis are like children. You have to nurture them
Felix in 24: bye bye little projector
Season 5 was already stuffed with things and there are still many others that had to be cut due to time in the episodes 😅
I think lila is the new Hawk moth
Thanks for all your hard work Ahmed and Haze!
17:14 Also, i hate the whole "reversed fairytale" like
Making Adrien a damsel in distress, when he's whole arc is about him gaining control over his life is so infuriating, this feels like a decision someone would take in a 2003 3d barbie movie, and even then the male character also had some stuff to do
Astruc really went "Oh yeah, i know how i can fix the whole damsel in distress thing and make it more progressive! I WILL JUST GENDERBEND IT"
Like, imagine all the people that like Gender-bending AUs, if they would to try gender-bending the S5 finale things would feel so weeeeird
oh gosh yeah i don't like it at all really. while i don't mind mari helping him, i think him saving himself would be a much better message!
Yeah Genderbending Miraculous leads to some very strange places, Like having Marin stitching woman's clothing
Or what Gabe says about his daughter sounding super creepy & Making Marin's lust for Adrienne seem a bit less wholesome unless you are very careful with the framing of that being more of a protective thing.
I find Adrienne hard to get a handle on where as Marin seems pretty easy, as Marin isn't that different from Marinette, maybe a bit less pushy and not quite so shy. knowing a little bit about physiological difference helps though. You can get some idea of what Marin might be like for example by looking at some character aspects of Marc, Luka and Nath.
A Male take on Lila and Chloe can be both really tragic or proper unpleasant though very easily.
But as a rule genderbending Miraculous works well, as it is already partially genderbent as it is anyway, so genderbending it just undoes some of that and applies it elsewhere instead.
Interesting Haze!
I love the idea of Nathalie's secret wish! It makes way more sense in context of seasons 1-4. I agree that Nathalie is one of the best written characters in the show, but I never got her motivations in early seasons - just why she wants bring back dead wife of man she loves? Romantic love is selfish, hates to share, and having Emelie around would ruin Nathalie's love story. But with her wanting to at the end "betray" Gabriel with taking wish for herself, makes way more sense and I love it. And what would be the price? Someone has to stop love Nathalie - maybe Adrien? What a drama!
Nathalie's attachment to Emilie is decent reason too, but my problem is that it is season 5 exclusive. In previous seasons she doesn't show any emotions towards her, making her change of mind rapid and out of nowhere.
omg right! i really wished they'd done it! this whole time i was like she's helping him because she loves him, but for her own gain is amazing
Marinette having red tips as ladybug? We were robbed.
Omg she would have looked so cute!
True or she could have in her normal form
@@disneymlbfan you're right.
@@joeljohansson3615 it would look amazing
Maybe that is why they gave that hair colouring to Fei.
And I remember that I read it somewhere that Gabriel threw away the Miraculous which was found by Lila. I din't remember when and where but...I saw it more than 1 time...somewhere.
And I actually forgot about it until today!!
This is amazing. I am so sad we didn't see some of these make it into the final cut. Especially that scene in the end with Iris. But I guess they changed their minds last minute, because maybe they want to full on talk or mention that persona in the next season, so we don't get confused. I still think Lila is Manon, and you can't convince me otherwise. But great video.
Since Marinette is getting older, I hope they touch on her website and blog process, because that's a sort of business thing, and I think it would be essential to show that, to show that Marinette is growing both physically and mentally, and to strengthen her and Alya's relationship as civilians.
We also did have another discarded Lila disguise, I don't know if that would've been Iris, but they probably discared it, again, because they're gonna use it next season. But that's just my guess.
I hope Nino gets a bigger focus next season, instead of being forgotten in the show bible 😅
Speaking of Nino, I think he does remember what he did when he was akumatised into Rocketear. Which is why he apologised to Cat Noir after he got his magical charm.
Keep up the good work :D
i mean just in general i wished they included more about mari and fashion! omg yes! nino remembers! idk if they jsut forgot stuff in the bible XD
I hate Representation. I'll hate it till the end of my life. No one can ever fight me that the plot was good or the storytelling was original or whatever. PERIOD💅🏻
Meeee foreverrrr
SAMEEE I hate it and Feligami and I always will!!😆☺️💖
@@Howaboutyes11 LIKE~ WE DONT NEED THIS EPISODE NOR SUCH CONFIRMATION, NO ONE ASKED... IT WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER WITHOUT ALL THOSE USELESS STUFF🥲
@@MYT_08 FRRR 😭
@@Howaboutyes11 AND FELIGAMI IS SO RUSHED~ I DIDNT EVEN FEEL THEM😭
Okay bible studies!! I’m sat
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And about Lila's mum...just forget about the 1 we saw in Risk (Shadow Moth's Final Attack - Part 1). It is not necessary that if she's going with Lila she's necessarily her mum. Just focus on the others. It's between 2 and not 3 now.(I think so)
20:00 Yes, I think in ladywifi when he touches the wifi thing and the signal goes off. I think that is something similar to blowing a fuse and not necessarily destroying something.
ah thank you!
Hey, Bestie. So I can kind of see how people think Maribug is a bit older than she actually is. So Marinette is a 10th grader. We know this from when she dropped her textbook in season 1. I'm not sure if it's different in France, but in the states 10th graders are usually 15 turning 16 sometime that year.
Yes finally can't wait for part 2
In stormy weather cat noirs cataclysm rusts the post on the stand, it looks destroyed and falls but it’s still in tact! Also in origins part 2 the cataclysm on the Eiffel Tower sends a really sharp spike flying out that he grabbed into! ❤
ah thank you bestie!
Hey Haze! So I don’t know if you’ve already heard of this but in Germany , German supermarkets are giving out Miraculous booster packs! Maybe you can get your hands on some on the internet.
Ooo cool!
Gabriel Babes’ creepy basement will forever be known as the Murder Basement
forever in our hearts
Oh so you’re reading the show bible interesting don’t get me wrong it’s just that If I remember correctly it was when you started doing the commentary/analysis videos for season 5 you didn’t want to know any leaks but now that season 5 is over now you can read it.
On a side note however I wish that the awakening movie had a uk release in cinemas maybe some day they will.
…. Hi bestie, not sure if you watched the opening of the video, but I do address this. I say I hope no one interprets this as me condoning the leaks, which I still do not. It was horrible and I hope nothing like it happens again. However, the season is over now, and as a professional writer I did think this was interesting to look at. Please watch what I have to say before making any incorrect judgments as I do address this in the vidoe
@@hazeclarke sorry about that I didn’t mean to make any incorrect judgments I was just wondering that’s all.
Haze, I have a video idea for you. Why don't you try and kinda rewrite the show? Put your perspective on things. Not the whole show ofc, but ytubers have already done this and I'd love to see u do it!
It’s my next audio fic!
@@hazeclarke So, will it be on your channel?
Honestly, wtf is up with Lila having DIFFERENT MOTHERS who apparently DON'T REALLY EVEN KNOW WHO SHE IS.?!?! Like, how is this even legal?! They obviously couldn’t adopt her or anything, especially if any one of them is her actual biological/legal mother. And at some point I thought, well maybe they’re like aunts or family friends or something who she just calls “mom” (or iterations of mom) but they aren’t really like her mom, it’s simply like an affectionate nickname. But then it raises the question, HOW TF DO THEY NOT KNOW HER REAL NAME?! Do they think it’s like, a phase or something? Since one of them thinks she’s like an actress it could be argued that maybe she thinks it’s like her artistic name? (which btw how does she not know this isn’t true?! Like fooling school friends is plausible to an extent, there’s really no way they can actually know for a fact whether this is true or not, but A PARENT?! Did Lila hire someone to pretend to be a director or something? Like obviously if she got hired to work on a film, they'd need for a parent/legal guardian to sign for stuff, and also probably to handle the payments unless of course she’s emancipated, but still like you'd think she'd wanna make some sort of research or something on the director or the production in general! This also goes for the one who thinks she's off to the savanna, like, kids need parents to sign permission slips to go to a freaking school field trip, you'd think going to the middle of who knows where would require some sort of legal form to be filled out and also at least check that some grown up is going to look over her daughter! ) but like, how exactly did this even come to happen?! They couldn’t have possibly “adopted”/taken her in when she was a baby, right? So then did they just kidnap a teenager?! Like what exactly is their arrangement?! Also, it’s one thing to be like “I'm Cerise now” at school and kids believing it but like how exactly does she even enroll in these schools? Do they not ask for ANY form of ID in public schools?! XD do they not need to also credit that she had VALID SCHOOLING up to the grade she wants to enroll in? Like if she finished (I think it’s like 9th grade? Lol) as Lila Rossi, then how can cerise enroll to 10th grade if there isn’t any paper that say cerise graduated from 9th? There are so many legal concerns surrounding this, miraculous logic has always been whacky, and specially when it come to how the legal system works (Chloe, not even being old enough to freaking VOTE, becoming MAYOR without even holding an election is an example of this complete disregard of the law even existing in this world lmao) but still, like how tf do you explain any of this?! It completely baffles me how they chose to change or exclude certain things from the Bible that actually made more sense, while they looked at Lila having a bunch of different identities with a MOTHER FOR EACH OF THEM and were like “looks legit!! Can’t see what we could possibly change or rework about this at all! Obviously this is a perfectly reasonable thing for a 13 YEAR OLD to do, and for grown ups to accept” lmfaooooo
Lol idk how Lila is able to keep this up. And how does she convince them?! Like if a girl came to me and was like you’re my mum, I’d be like… I have never been pregnant XD but tbf I have no clue how ANYONE in this show hasn’t worked out before confrontation that Lila isn’t who she says she is. Like do none of them use google?! Lila’s lies rely on everyone being stupid and gullible
@@hazeclarke I feel she researches her targets it's the only way I see it working
@@hazeclarke ikr! Like, most people don’t even take stray animals home, imagine going out and finding like an 11 year old (cause this must’ve happened AT LEAST a year or two ago, right?) who's like “will you be my momma? 🥺” or something lol and just taking her to your home to raise her, no questions asked xd girl, call the police or something! She could be a missing child! Aren’t there child protective services in France? XD
And yeah, I also have no idea how she can manage her identities. Like I can barely keep up with my normal life as is lmfao how does she find the energy to juggle with 3 (or maybe even more) different lives? XD I guess she doesn’t really live them simultaneously, like we've seen she’s basically missed the whole year of school cuz she’s busy on “film sets” so maybe in this time she switches between alter egos for a while, but still it must be exhausting keeping up with the lies you tell each group of ppl!
Also, It’s funny that despite the fact that in the world of miraculous technology is much more advanced than the one in the real world, apparently google doesn’t exist xd and like, Markov is such an advanced AI he basically gained sentience and is smart beyond imagination, and yet not even HE can look up her lies or detect her stories don’t match up? You'd think a bot who probably has access to like the entire google database would at some point find SOMETHING about her stories that is a lie
Despite all these logical fallacies lmao, I like the idea of having Lila as the next hawmoth, as she’s clearly much more capable and dangerous than gabe ever was, and I'm really curious to see where they’re planning to take this. :) Hope they handle her villain arc well. Though it is really sad to see Gabe's intelligence doesn’t even match up to that of 13 year olds xd
@@hazeclarke I'm guessing Lila faked multiple adoptions. (for some reason)
Could you maybe a ranking of Gabriel babes outfits?
Sure can!
36:39 I am so stuck on this atm. 😆
Yes, we know it is possible for an amok and an akuma to enter the same object because Reflekdoll, but you are 100% correct that it would have killed her if they broke that ring and her amok escaped! Gabriel Babes had to know that that is where her amok was…
I am SHOOK.
I think you’re probably right that they didn’t think it through. Or maybe that’s why Monarch Daddy made her mist, so it couldn’t be destroyed? It would have made far more sense to put the akuma into the friendship quiz before she dropped it.
like i think they know because it's what mkaes Tomoe burst in scremaing at the end of the episode but gabe knows she's senti. in protection tomoe and gabriel talk about it. so why would he do it?! there's no guarantee cat noir wouldn't cataclysm the ring
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Check the 2nd line.😂 I got to know today that Heroes's Day was from season 3 L.O.L. xD
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O.C! He said "bring me back the brooch!"!
25:19 Ooh ooh I can share my theory on this! So I think they only remember most of it if they tried to resist at some point, broke free or were intending to be akumatized in the first place. Otherwise they remember bits and pieces like if it was a dream. This is more or less consistent with the show. Also if it’s based on willpower I’ve got truckloads of that, so my self insert would remember everything ;p
+40:05 I think Cerise (Lila in disguise) was looking down the hole when Gabe was defeated and so saw where the Butterfly brooch landed so she snuck down there (somehow - maybe she had the plans for the lift in the documents she stole and just used the lift) and then recovered the Miraculous, it seems like Shadybug then shows up and pinches it off her in turn.
My headcannon as to who can remember what happened during an akumatization is that if they reject the Akuma or have it revoked they remember, but if they’re defeated by Ladybug and Cat Noir they don’t…and if you’re like Mr Pigeon it just happens so often that when he wakes up somewhere in front of Ladybug and Cat Noir he knows that it happened again
I think Lila’s many identities are really interesting…she didn’t need to be akumatized into Chameleon, she already IS one.
Personally I think the Cerise design is probably what she really looks like as we see her take off her Lila wig and I doubt she stopped to change her contacts during that call…hopefully they explore this more in season 6 because I absolutely LOVE Lila/Cerise/Iris/whatever her name is as a villain, giving her the butterfly miraculous just makes sense to me.
ooo yes! she's already a chameleon!
Souci Porpora ( a flower + a colour) according to google
Amazing 😂
I LOVE THIS
31:40 and what if the balance of her wish is that Marinette didn't love Adrien anymore 😢
omg NO
I think the akuma villian not remembering varies, like i think if they defeated by ladybug they don't remember but if the akuma gets rejected or hawk daddy de-akumatizes them then they will remember
+9:31 I guess with the show being compressed into a single year Cat Noir did see Ladybug almost everyday, but they didn't canonise Patrol (in fact Astruc mocked the idea when he was approached with it initially only to later have the show use it anyway) But I would suggest they just forget stuff like they forgot that Marinette was supposed to be getting Chinese Lesson for months. Or that they totally forgot that she's a championship level Videogamer. I'm a bit annoyed with Marinette the way she dismisses her Father, that kinda disgusts me, especially when you see her "forgetting" Mother's day too. But earlier on they stated (in Star Train) attacks are on average 3 days a week, which is reasonable as Gabe has a business to run.
They did at one point imply the kids were falling asleep in class due to a large number of Night attacks though, but the show just glossed that over too.
& as a rule Hawkmoth is as likely to attack at day or night either ways.
But no I wouldn't say he see's LB every day the Puppeteer 2 "Girl he's in love with" line is one of the most infamous things they had amnesia over as if Marinette knows Adrien loves someone else why they hell is she still stalking him. and then even more weirdly they say Adrien loved Marinette with a little L since she kissed him
What "Bizarre" writing this show has.
Also go watch Season One Ladybug and ten watch Season 4 LADYBUG even stress can't so easily explain the complete character change especially when it's not maintained bu they flip-flop on it constantly back to normal and then back to angst again.
lol yes it is a little bizarre XD although i didn't know Thomas thought that about the patrols. i love the patrols!
@@hazeclarke They didn't seem to really exist at least not in a really overt way until The Shanghai Special. then they implied it again in Sole Crusher, before that "zip" outside of Instagram of course we see Cat Noir being stood up at the start of Season 4 for "Patrol" but when they actually started having them, and when they turned into just friendship hang out excuses remains pretty vague - which did have it before hand too. I guess when they are playing cards and pondering about Felix, that is what they do a fair bit anyway, though obviously not during season 4.
That is likely why they purposefully forgot about it again, as if they want Cat Noir to be missing ladybug then they can't do that if they say they have patrol. They do seem to end episodes with them sitting on roofs quite a bit so I guess that is what we can retrospectively imply is the end of a "Patrol". As often in the earlier seasons Cat Noir would say he only saw Ladybug during an akuma battle and otherwise not at all.
The reason people thought Marinette was 15 some time after Season 3 was people on the production kept saying as much.
They were going to retcon an additional school year in so they were at the school for 2 years rather than one thus Marinette being 15 (note Alix and Juleka seem to be 15 at some point in the show implying Alix was also held back a school year too or Juleka's birthday was her 16th Birthday shown later on) You can see evidence of the extra year in the start of the Shanghai Special.
It is rather strange that they let as much as they did go to air, it makes it look like they had time to catch it and didn't.
I find it interesting how often Astruc is completely clueless as to what is happening in the show and how many "essential aspects" he also had nothing to do with, and so when he was in charge those aspect disappear entirely from the show.
For example ever notice Cat Noir doesn't Pun much anymore ? That is because that was not something Astruc was interested in doing and as such would leave out.
But yeah this show is a janky mess, it really doesn't help that they completely ignore the love Square totally nuked Ladynoir and never allowed the pair to get to know each other, thus making their romance feel fake an creepy.
Remember Marinette was still obsessed with Adrien and unaware of his actual character right up until RISK and beyond. Marichat was completely fumbled, none of the writers wanted to touch Ladrien with a bargepole (and even seem to completely miss the point of it in their statements)
I can see why everyone and their dog says the Fanfiction is superior it isn't just because it's coherent story telling, but because the fans understand the themes and consequences of given action, not everyone in ever fic sure, but overall the issue get address that are ignored on the show.
I often say Miraculous is likely only going to really work once it;s reboot at some future point as then they can plan it out better hopefully.
I think they may have one of the worse run shows this century so yay Zagtoon for having more drama making the show than is in the show.
Also why did they suddenly stop having proper fights, when Action Had one is was pretty shocking as it had been so long since we'd had a proper decent fight on the show that wasn't just bish bosh lucky charm, cataclysm 'done' None of that complex back and forth of Simon Says. Stormy Weather, or Lady Wi Fi.
it defintiely is janky at times, but mari has always been aware of who Adrien is as a person and didn't have feelings for him just because he's handsome or rich. She was simply unaware he didn't want to be a model because he had bever said
but lol yes you're right baout the miraculous fan fic!
@@hazeclarke Remember in early Season 4 when Marinette is watching a Montage of Adrien's life she says in English his life (and by implication him) are perfection, / Miraculous (depending on the dub) she also agree's with Gabriel when he says this in Simon says.
It is not until Risk that we see her really question this, she does say earlier that she wants to be friends with him as she doesn't know him well (yet) but the show didn't really do this instead they threw it all into risk and then early season 5 (Adrienette speed dating by videochat). it's a shame as they had the chance to do this since Anansi they just didn't do it.
So that is why I say they relationship feels very last minute, Ladybug comes across like one of Adrien's crazy fans a bit to much in Risk/Strike Back and she even has some awareness that this isn't ideal.
But I think the show really failed to build this up and stick the landing, I think it would have been nice for her to realise she was in love with the image Gabriel created for Adrien and didn't know him, and then want to get to know him and fall in love properly and then even see in him what he is or could be, we get more hints that Adrien's real persona is a work in process from Kagami's comments though I feel.
As it stands it comes across a bit to much like a fixation leading to dating, that is part of the reason why people didn't like Ethemeral. as isn't that the problem in reverse too, that Cat Noir/Adrien is in love with the idea o ladybug he has in his head and then that idea really disappoints him in season 4... nothing much happens as a consequence of that though, and all that really happened as a consequence is Ladynoir is on pause.
But I never got the impression Marinette was friends with Adrien, how can she be if she can't string a sentence together around him. They are doing it like people who decide to date to get to know each other rather than two people who already know each other and then decide to date, they are almost strangers in the show.... and boy must that drive Chloe nuts.
I wasn't aware Cat Noir had infinite cataclysms? I though their powers were still limited with time since they are children still.
I mean it hasn’t been stated yet but he did 4/5 (?) times in Revolution so let’s just say he has multiple! Either way, he should be able to save one for destroying an akuma
@@hazeclarke Oh true, I think it's because he was wearing the rabbit miraculous and was travelling through time. As Chat Noir says in the episode "Have I used it, or am I going to use it" ("it" being the cataclysm).
@@priyarooprai1532 Small correction, but: the "it" here referred to the power of the rabbit miraculous, not the black cat miraculous, bestie.
I think you misunderstood what Haze meant; she was referring to _Revolution,_ (which is episode 23,) and not _Evolution_ (which was episode 1). Though I can see why you'd confuse the two, as they're literally one letter away from being the same. 😂
@@yourlocalchloesimp Oh yeah! Thank you for the correction. I can never seem to remember season 5 episode names 😂
@@priyarooprai1532 You are not alone, I think a lot of people got into the habit of using the episode numbers for season 5 for that reason.
The episode you said where Nino felt bad for being akumatised was season 3 The Puppeteer 2 i believe
Thank you!
26:34 I’m pretty sure Lila knew what she did because she had of course planned before hand, as we know. I think it was actually pretty clever
Never been this early before
Thank you bestie 🥰
36:12 I think I have an explanation for this one! (at the time of writing this I have seen anything past this point)
it seems that if the two miraculouses are wielded by two different people, they will not share an object like in Reflekdoll, but when one person uses both miraculous, they can both inhabit the same object like in truth and Queen banana
It still contradicts kagami being a sentimonster
Ahhh i see!
In timebreaker it’s alix’s 15th birthday and they are in the same school year, I used to think she was 14 but then I listened to that episode and I’ve been thinking recently that she’s 15
I wonder if Lila repeatedly works in the Hotel, what a shame they didn't show her in the background for months that would have been a nice touch like how Master Fu is seen in the background before he's properly introduced (like in Animan for example he's at the Zoo),
Ooo that would have been cool!
27:30 Don't forget Pixelator when he literally vibrates the akuma villain.
Ah! Thank you!
20:20 I believe it’s shown through the cataclysm Cat Noir used in Origins when Ladybug is parachuting and he’s sliding down the Eiffel Tower
Thank you!
@@hazeclarke ofccc anytime!!
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Oh yeahh! xD
Same thing came to my mind before you said *_agaaaain_*! xDDDDD
I dont even know what lila’s actual name is cuz she has so many identities I can’t keep up 😂
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Same thing came to my mind a few moments before you spoke this!😁
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And this too!😄😄
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Heyy! The final fight wouldn't even have been then!
Because Gabriel versus Ladybug...seriously? 1 punch from Ladybug and he's out.
Or...wait...do you mean him throwing away the Butterfly Miraculous while keeping the others?
not sure which bit you're referring to bestie!
Hey haze do you know where we can find the show bible 😊
I don’t sorry! Maybe Reddit?
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Love your nails Haze! Amazing video as usual! I have a theory for s6 that I have seen discussed on certain other channels (it's a theory, not a leak) that in s6 Argos will be snapped out of existence. Felix will be gone from the show 😢
For me personally he is the best character because as an anti hero he's not good, he's not bad and yet his actions make sense and Feligami too because they are both sentimonsters. Felix wasn't in a relationship and Kagami broke up with Adrien. She doesn't exactly like the true Adrien so it makes sense why she would like Felix. Rewatching all the Felix episodes I think he's a great character and his design as Argos is just awesome. He's got everything a three dimensional character must have with a personality and backstory. Could you do a video discussing the theory of his death? (Jbtw Chloe's death has been confirmed by Thomas Ass-trump so it's not impossible for another character to be killed off). Funny how in this show the best characters with the most potential are always the wasted ones.
lol imo felix shouldn't have been in the show in the first place so i wouldn't mind XD
@@hazeclarke Dark 😅😅😅
@@hazeclarke Who do you think could replace Argos if Felix didn't exist?
Kagami has not been akumatised into her ring in a way that required the ring to be destroyed though. She's usually akumatised via another object like her sword or a flower for example. So she deakimatised herself if its her ring to avoid well "killing her".
Note the retcon about Felix's amok though it was one of the twin rings and now it's Colt Fatham's ring. so a retcon just like Felix's change in nationality and last name was too.
was felix's amok always in the twin rings? i don't believe that was ever confirmed?
His amok was never in the twin rings. That was were Adrien’s amok was hidden. I think the reason he took the ring was so that he could give it to Adrien next time.
@@hazeclarke It is a bit vague, but Gabriel acted like he "expected" the ring to control Felix.
But they have been know to retcon things such as the whole identity issue has been retconed twice now.
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O.C! She's calling her Iris because she's fooled by her who's having various names.
36:03 Wait the last line of this section, is this why Adrien is so loving? Is this why Felix is not? Oh my gosh guys it isn’t Felix’s fault, I can simp for him! 🥳
Omg that’s not what you should takeaway from this
@@hazeclarke Shh, I can take away what I like 😂
that means lila most likley isnt her real name either as im pretty sure it is for lilacs idk my french is rusty lol
27:15 He does this in Pixelator too :)
Just watched you S5 ranking and I had a thought, why don't you have a go at rewriting season 5, you are a professional writer after all.
That’s my next audio fic!
About argos and mayura not having masks, everyone recognises argos as felix, we see in emotion that adrien is called into a locker by argos rather than felix, but he calls him felix, adrien hasn'tseen felix transform, that'swhy this is more poignant. And mayuras eye cover thing could technically be a mask if the shows definition of mask is just face covering.
B.T.W from where did you get to know her full name as Iris Verdi? Was it on Mister Damocles' computer at the end of Re-creation (The Last Day - Part 2)? I don't remember...
The bible!
@@hazeclarke ohk.
When Hawkmoth and Myura possess different items but Shadowmoth can possess the same item.
Haze, I find it quite ironic that you didn't want to know about season five's bible of spoilers, but here you are, freely talking about THIS bible... 😆
I literally discuss it in the video 😅
24:28 Also, Trixx ultimate form WHEN?!
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Wait. I didn't understand anything about this. What's the concept of Perfection doing here? There was no Amok in Perfection.
ah no kagami is senti, so it's referring to that amok!
@@hazeclarke oh ohkayy.👍🏼
20:20 we saw chat Noir mess up the wifi in Lady Wifi lol
Thank you!
No problem! We also see him disable a bus in Zombizou I just remembered lol
Wait where can I read the miraculous show bible
Probably Reddit
My guess is Adrien and Felix and Kagami are half sentis and half human or just Adrien and Felix as not much is known of Kagami's father or if she had one. As it stated that Emelie and Amelie are infertile but it didn't mention any problems for Gabriel or Colt to have any reproduction problems so it may state that the two cousins may be half sentis and are half related to the peacock miraculous and half related to humanity.
You can’t be half senti
@@hazeclarke Is it confirmed that you can't? I still don't know if Adrien and Marinette get married then can they have kids and would they be half senti?
24:52 No because if a housefly enters the house I run away screaming 😭
My least favourite fly might well be the wasp shaped flies that bzzt and fly at the window
I’m half South African and in Afrikaans those are _brommers_
Because they go _brommmmm_ 😂
Ooo that’s a cool word for them!
I can see why they didn't go through with Natalie having a plan to make Gabe fall in love with her. That would be literally taking away his consent and making herself a villain for doing the same thing Gabe does. Yeah Gabe is the worst person, but no one deserves that. It's the same as those tropes where someone slipped a love potion to another unknowingly (Harry Potter)... Looks cute theatrically, but when you really think about the implications... 😬
lol i know, but it just would have been so interesting!
+16:34 It is fine to explain it in the bible but they sort of neglected to tell people in the actual show any of that in face the charms prove to be not only useless but like an akuma magnet to mega akuma.
Also the use of contained negative emotions in what is supposed to be a positive charm makes zero sense to me anyway.
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Wooo! 🥳
29:12 *Grandmaster Susan?
And he implies it in his debut
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Bestie please let my comment stay here! 😂😅😢
I feel like Suhan's fear of Cat Noir going rogue might be a plot point in the next season.. because even though Adrien had renounced his miraculous in the past, it means nothing now. because now there's so much stacked up for that to happen.
Oooo good point!
But...by "*to its fullest*" do they really mean _just staying transformed..._ I mean...if she could do that that means that(me giggling while writing "that" so many times L.O.L😂)she's *used her power to* her *fullest*? *fullest* means just getting to not detransform? I don't think so.
”To belive she wants to be a fasion designer looking like that”
*Meanwhile Gabriel for 4 seasons dressing up as a candycane*
(Sorry this just felt hilarious to me 😅)
Oh god no applies to him as well. And like when you see some of his designs on his tablet I’m like… who is wearing this?!
@@hazeclarke That’s so true tho, like how did he even make it in the fashion world to begin with!?
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You're right. :)
I think if you volunteer to get akumatized then you do remember.
There's a theory going around that Lils is actually Manon. How do you feel about that one, Haze? I really don't see Lila x Adrien the same way now. I always thought 🙄 & 🤢, but now, it's 😱 & 🤮
Honestly I’m not really sure 😅
It doesn't make sense for Emilie to be in a slumber/coma. She wouldn't be alive for a whole year without the necessary equipment for feeding. She's clearly dead and Gabriel has just preserved her corpse.
lol the technology in the show doesn't make sense, i wouldn't worry about it
No she's alive the machinery failed once and he had a fit. She also moves and hugs Gabriel when she's taken away by Gimmi
I think Nathalie can't use Mayura's full power meaning that she can't create multiple sentis as she is only shown creating one senti while transformed as well she can de-transform even as an adult as in Truth she does but she doesn't say the words to de-transform or her miraculous isn't showing the sign of de-transformation so my guess it has to do with the damage.
Peacock holders can only create one senti at once 🦚
@@hazeclarke Then how can Gabriel can create multiple Akumas and how did she de-transform in Truth without recalling Dussu from the miraculous.
The bible saying stuff like...SPOILERS? they might change in next seasons, but are things that ARE said in the bible about the future
"Chloe will always be a brat" and "Adrien never discovers who his father is"
MAKES ME BELIEVE A LOT, that Astruc will make an in canon reason to why he can't know, like the whole Cat Blanc stuff and be like "I know more than you guys, Adrien won't and doesn't need to know" and pull another "He's Ken"
I feel like wanting a child's guardianship from an abusive parent
Jeeez it’s not like literally EVERY TIME HE FOUND OUT IT LEAD TO DISASTER….
oh gosh some of the stuff thomas says on twitter is so infuriating. plus as well i saw him after re-creation saying adrien wasn't there because cat blanc would happen again. which is literally admitting adrien hasn't developed *since* cat blanc
@@hazeclarke I really, REALLY think that Adrien will actually never know about Gabriel, because when Thomas makes a bad decision he normally presses on it
And if so, the idea that Marinette, Plaag, HIS MOM, Nathalie, Felix and Kagami never told him the true, like till his death
It's so bad, like, HORRIBLY BAD
@@hazeclarke I think you’re royally missing the point. It’s not just Adrien himself that is a concern. Its GABRIEL. Everytime he found out, Gabriel did as wel and Gabriel weaponized that fact.
Once there isn't an active Butterfly holder there is no reason he couldn't know then (I think he will find out though at some point for plot angst reasons... even if they undo it with time travel "again"), I think it's rather disparaging to say he can't find out, Gabriel is dead after all he just has to get over the upset.
Hell if Marinette was being fair about it she could book a 2 week holiday away from Paris and then just tell him, then he'd have time to get over it.
As the alternative is that she marries the guy while she's still lying to him. That would be as bad as him never knowing he's not a real boy, though I can see why that might be a secret she wants to keep. it's a rather deadly secret.
I bet neither if those ladies are her mom. That girl has lied about everything so far. I think she's just using them. They were probably hired to take care of her or at least pretend to.
lol maybe!
Where did you find the bible I’m interested and kinda wanna read it now lol
Try Reddit!
@@hazeclarkeok thanks
@@hazeclarke I'm on the subreddit there's rules not allowing it to be distributed as an anti leak move
Where did you get the PDF
A friend!
Can you put time stamps
There isn’t really much to time stamp, sorry!
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XD😂
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It doesn't!