I just read from Wikipedia that there was a lone initial survivor from flight 826, he landed in a snow bank which extinguished his burning clothes. He was an 11 year old boy on his way to spend Christmas with relatives. Unfortunately he was badly burned and had inhaled burning fuel. He died of pneumonia the next day. Before he died he expressed that he was worried about his mother who was waiting for him. 😞 .... brave humble kid... that killed me to read that. RIP to all those who were lost...
What a terribly tragic story. Imagine a young boy showing such courage in his own suffering to worry how it would affect his mom. May all these poor souls rest in peace.💗🌹
All did NOT perish. Stephen Baltz survived, he was 10 years old and landed in a snowbank. He even spoke to reporters for a minute. He died the next day of pneumonia from smoke inhalation. Lets not forget him.
@@dyanshane Point understood. But flightchannel never said instantly. It's alright, we all do it: imagine something read, viewed or heard...not necessarily to support one's contention - just an error, that's all.
RIght. It's like speeding on a highway with no brakes or steering, knowing you'll have a fatal accident in a few minutes and there's no way to avoid it. These poor people. I can imagine the screaming and the horror.:(
@@willnot3297 yeah, it's not like being in a car but the other person's right. Not in terms of how everything happens, but it's the same idea. If you're on a motorway that's going downhill and your brakes stop working and you're just speeding up it must be terrifying. There's a 911 call of a guy who this happened to and I can't imagine what he and his family went through
I really like how he does 'in memory of the people', makes you remember that it wasn't just some event 60 years ago that is disconnected from us...those people ARE us, with all of their little individual lives stolen away, along with their hopes and dreams. You always think 'that could never be me' until it is.
For us, millenials, z generation this crash is from a long long time ago. But the people who lived this time was alive. And for me, a Brazilian who see the mid-air collision consequences in 2006 (Gol 1907 x Legacy), is not too distance.
I find it amazing that what is never mentioned as being a causal factor is crew fatigue. That United cockpit crew had flown that aircraft all night from LAX to ORD before continuing on to New York. I don't understand why that was not considered as contributing to the error they made.
I was 13 at the time of this accident, I am now 72 and a retired airline Captain. I am pleased to say that an event like this nowadays with technology, TCAS, is almost impossible between professional well trained pilots and ATC. Brilliant video as usual, thank you.
I thought that too, and one night in Zurich, on a layover, I expressed that very thought to a couple sitting next to our crew at dinner. When I got down to the hotel lobby the next morning, the FO asked me how I felt about what happened not more than an hour or two after I made that statement. It was at that moment that I discovered that two jets had collided and crashed almost right over our heads, TCAS notwithstanding. The rules about following TCAS vs ATC were made clearer after that accident, but I still shudder at the coincidence of it all.
@@anthonyvallillo422 I think I watched a video of what happened in that crash. The pilot went the advice of ATC and both planes descend at the same altitude and crashed in each other. It was after that they made it mandator that TCAS takes precedence over ATC.
I met a lady at a dinner party in CT and her father perished in this disaster. I don't recall which plane he was on, I think the larger one. She said her life "went quiet" afterwards, she was only 8yo. I fear flying more than all the things in life there are to fear.
Rest In Peace, Steven Baultz. He was the lone survivor who sadly passed away at the then Methodist Hospital on 7 Ave just a few blocks from the crash site. I remember it well, having gone to the scene the next day 😥
The 1956 collision between the same two combatants gave us the ATC centers we have today and serious radar. Improvements are built on the blood of previous pass
Also one of the planes landed on a funeral home. A young couple and child staying as caretakers there got out safe. It was weird that it fell on the funeral home. Very sad for all involved.
It actually crashed into a church, and the name of that church was Pillar of Fire Church. The Funeral home was on the corner. The tail of the plane, ended up in the intersection.
My dad was an Army aviator stationed at Miller Field when this happened. He said pieces (of everything) were scattered all over the field, which was covered in snow. Had to look in each hole to see what it was.
I googled this and was quite surprised in a city the size of Brooklyn there were only 6 fatalities on the ground. RIP to those 6 unlucky souls but I think it's incredible that it wasn't much worse considering the dense population.
Several factors were behind the low number of fatalities on the ground. One, this crash occurred during a week day morning, when most of the men were at work, the kids were in school, and the women were also at work or shopping on nearby Flatbush Ave. Two, it was a cold December morning, so few people were out and about on the street. I know that two of the six who died on the ground were selling Christmas trees on the corner. Three, the plane actually crash landed in the middle of the street, and not on top of houses or commercial properties filled with people.
The 2 men selling Christmas trees were 100 feet from corner. The jets wing sliced through the top of an apartment building, and a millisecond later, demolished a church across the street. A sanitation worker removing snow at the corner was killed. A dentist walk8ng his dog past the church died days later. The caretaker of the church was killed. And a butcher was killed when Wall from a building crashed through his roof.
I remember this mid-air. A 11 year old boy, on board the DC-8, actually survived the initial crash, still strapped in his seat. However, he'd inhaled flames or heated air and died a day later from complications of his seared lungs. "Initial survivor The only initial survivor of the crash was 11-year-old Stephen Lambert Baltz (born January 9, 1949) of Wilmette, Illinois. He was traveling unaccompanied as part of his family's plans to spend Christmas in Yonkers with relatives. Baltz was thrown from the plane into a snowbank where his burning clothing was extinguished. Although alive and conscious, he was badly burned and had inhaled burning fuel.[8] He died of pneumonia the next day. A plaque in the hospital's chapel memorializing the crash's victims displays four U.S. dimes and five U.S. nickels found in Baltz's pocket." I was an air traffic controller from 1975 to 1981, I knew controllers who were working at the time of this crash.
My wife and I both worked for United Airlines at the time of this tragedy. We were in passenger service at the Eastside Airlines Terminal. Working different shifts, she was at work and I was home in Brooklyn only a short distance away from the crash site of the jet. I recall the heartbreak of all of us at that time. I also remember the sound of the crash. It is good to know that government can actually work to improve our lives. The introduction of jet aircraft was obviously a factor with new experience to be gained.
@Miles Coverdale Remember, the government couldn't solve the anthrax attacks on the US Senate in Oct 2001. 5 people died. The FBI has the information to solve it, but refuses to implicate one of their retired. I reported the preparations 8 years earlier and justice has been obstructed ever since. There are agencies within the federal government that cannot be trusted for anything because of less than stellar staff running personal agendas. Another example is the AEC whose personal agendas led to the premature deaths of 100's of thousands of domestic victims, and the Radiation Exposure Compensation Act of 1990. FBI and AEC are/were merit staff, not elected officials.
I cannot imagine the sheer terror that the passengers felt, knowing they were going to die. May they Rest In Peace. Amen, I’m glad they didn’t book flights like they do today where there isn’t an empty seat. Otherwise, this catastrophe would haven been so much worse. That TWA place is a real beauty. I’ve never flown any of the DC planes and never would have. So many met terrible endings.
My grandmother flew a dc10 back post- flight 191, (seat 6F) I flew an MD82 in 2019, seat 5A. At least our family got to fly McDonnell Douglas Manufactured planes
I remember this as I was the same age as the young boy...I believe they found the boy strapped to his seat in a snow bank...there are articles in Google about a nurse that took care of the young boy...He asked her if he was going to die, she of course tried to console his fears...knowing full well he would not survive...such a haunting memory of a terrible day in aviation
I am so sad for these aircrafts that are supposed to be safe, but human error made dreadful, fatal mistakes...I don't think I will ever fly again💔 🙏📖👑🌹🙏🔥
I was a young boy in Brooklyn when this happened. When the news got out and we heard that a boy named Stephen Baltz had initially survived (he died the next morning, just after his father got to the hospital), all the kids would talk about "poor Stevie" like he was one of our own. I guess he was.
The child had been placed in a glassed-in nursery and was surrounded by doctors, nurses, equipment. The doctors spoke quietly, each weighing in on his area of expertise: the head of orthopedics saying he wanted to set Stephen's broken leg, but could not because of the burns; the plastic surgeon speaking of skin grafts. The chief of pediatrics, of surgery. They were all there. Then she saw him. He was so badly burned, she could not tell what race he was. A bone stuck out of one of his legs. He was covered only by a small, sterilized sheet on his groin. ''They couldn't even cover him with a sheet because of the bacteria factor,'' she said. ''He was just open wounds all over. I've never seen someone burned like this.'' She was put somewhat at ease by the experts milling around. ''They all kind of worked together, they had to,'' she said. ''It was just a case that I don't think many people get to see in a lifetime.'' As each doctor noticed Miss Stull, he updated her briefly on Stephen's condition and what could be expected during the night. She started to have a sickened feeling. One by one, their orders given, the doctors headed out the door, and not long after 12:30 a.m. the nurse realized that she was alone with two young nursing students and Stephen Baltz. ''When I got there, every chief of every service was on the floor, and I thought, 'It's not going to be too bad, all the people here to help me.' Because, you see, decisions had to be made that nursing usually doesn't do. But everyone disappeared.'' Silence, except for Stephen's halting breaths. HER training kicked in. First, check his respiration by watching his chest gently rise and fall. Next, his fluids, his blood and urine. Every 10 minutes she updated her logbook. She stood the whole time. There was only one chair in the room, and a nursing student was asleep in it. Stephen had also been sleeping when she got there, but a little later, he suddenly chirped up with the bell-like voice of a healthy child. He wanted to know where he was, he felt fine, he wanted a television. ''You stood there looking at this little boy,'' she said, ''and he was saying this, and you know to me it still is the weirdest thing that I've ever seen.'' She couldn't explain that the need to keep the room sterile prevented her from bringing in a television set. ''Maybe tomorrow,'' she said gently. ''I don't think we have one right now. I'll see about finding one.'' They looked at each other, eye to eye. Then he dozed off. That happened again and again. Stephen had been alone on the plane because his mother and sisters had flown east from Chicago a few days earlier to spend Christmas with his aunt, but he had been delayed by a sore throat. When his parents arrived at the hospital, they were given a room nearby. Every hour, Stephen's father, William S. Baltz, vice president of the Admiral Corporation of Chicago, which made television sets, came to the room. Calmly, he leaned over his son. ''I remember how he was with Stephen, and how he was able to come in and talk to Stephen as if nothing was wrong,'' she said. ''I never saw him break down, and that was amazing. I didn't have children then, but you could just imagine.'' It was one of the longest nights of the year. The boy's breaths continued, and grayish light filtered in from the windows. Around 7 a.m., a doctor reappeared. Soon, the room was crowded. The administrators filed in. So did more doctors, students from around the hospital to see this unique case, and her own replacement. A feeling of euphoria came over Miss Stull. ''I felt wonderful, and he seemed more alert,'' she said. ''I decided, you know, he's going to make it. Three-quarters of your patients die in those midnight-to-8 a.m. hours. Everyone was quite surprised, even pleased, and they said it's beginning to look like things are settling down a bit.'' She headed back to her apartment. It was going to be a beautiful, clear winter day. Stephen Baltz died at 10 a.m.
We lived 5 miles away from the Brooklyn crash. My father drove us their and it was total devastation. As a 7 year old I wasn't able to comprehend everything that was going on, but I do remember seeing the damage.
I know ppl say flying is safe and cars are more dangerous, but it’s the WAY you would die in an airplane that I don’t like regardless of the chances. If it weren’t a necessity for survival in today’s society I would avoid all travel.
When I first read the title of the video, that it was a collision between a United plane and a TWA plane, I assumed for a second it was referring to the Grand Canyon collision in 1956... but it's a totally different one. I had no idea about this accident... Crazy to think that the same two airlines had separate collision incidents with each other just 4 years apart. In both accidents, the TWA plane was a Lockheed L-1049 Super Constellation. As for the United plane in the Grand Canyon crash it was a DC-7, and in this one it's a DC-8. RIP to all those lost 🙏 🙏
As a kid, all I knew is that my parents refused to fly TWA. Now that I've seen tons of videos and read about all the incidents involving TWA (which admittedly seem to have little to nothing to do with TWA itself other than coincidence), I now understand why 😬
TWA was owned by Howard Hughes. This accident, I don't understand why TWA took any responsibility. But they shelled out 12%. On the other hand, United was hesitant and cheap. Ppl in that area refused to use them as much as possible
The fact that they warned TWA of jet traffic before indicates they did see it on radar, which has always been my question on this crash, why didn't ATC issue reroute directions to either or both to try and avoid the crash?
My father was suppose to be on the the United flight from Chicago. In 1960, he was in Wayland Academy Boarding school near Madison WI. He was headed to Puerto Rico to see his parents (my grandparents) for Christmas. His flight was late coming from Madison due to snow. He missed United flight 826 from Chicago to Idylwild. Had he been on this doomed flight I would have never existed. Sadly, he is now 76 and dying from lung cancer.
You have to wonder how often planes end up too close to each other. Yes there is ACAS now but I remember back in the 80's living in a suburb NW of Ohare airport , one day hearing a planes jet engines suddenly increasing in thrust and in looking up, two planes crossing each others paths.
One thing to note, Steve Baltz, an 11 year old boy initially survived the crash of the DC8 when he was thrown into a snowbank. He was conscious although badly burned. Unfortunately he passed away from his injuries the next day. He had been flying alone of the flight to meet his family for Christmas. From what I read, his parents were at the hospital when he passed. Also 6 people died on the ground so the total fatalities was 134.
@Teleoceras Thanks for the background! That's incredible and if he would have survived and become healed a miracle. It's a shame that a lack of communication seems to be what really cemented the outcome and collision.
The child had been placed in a glassed-in nursery and was surrounded by doctors, nurses, equipment. The doctors spoke quietly, each weighing in on his area of expertise: the head of orthopedics saying he wanted to set Stephen's broken leg, but could not because of the burns; the plastic surgeon speaking of skin grafts. The chief of pediatrics, of surgery. They were all there. Then she saw him. He was so badly burned, she could not tell what race he was. A bone stuck out of one of his legs. He was covered only by a small, sterilized sheet on his groin. ''They couldn't even cover him with a sheet because of the bacteria factor,'' she said. ''He was just open wounds all over. I've never seen someone burned like this.'' She was put somewhat at ease by the experts milling around. ''They all kind of worked together, they had to,'' she said. ''It was just a case that I don't think many people get to see in a lifetime.'' As each doctor noticed Miss Stull, he updated her briefly on Stephen's condition and what could be expected during the night. She started to have a sickened feeling. One by one, their orders given, the doctors headed out the door, and not long after 12:30 a.m. the nurse realized that she was alone with two young nursing students and Stephen Baltz. ''When I got there, every chief of every service was on the floor, and I thought, 'It's not going to be too bad, all the people here to help me.' Because, you see, decisions had to be made that nursing usually doesn't do. But everyone disappeared.'' Silence, except for Stephen's halting breaths. HER training kicked in. First, check his respiration by watching his chest gently rise and fall. Next, his fluids, his blood and urine. Every 10 minutes she updated her logbook. She stood the whole time. There was only one chair in the room, and a nursing student was asleep in it. Stephen had also been sleeping when she got there, but a little later, he suddenly chirped up with the bell-like voice of a healthy child. He wanted to know where he was, he felt fine, he wanted a television. ''You stood there looking at this little boy,'' she said, ''and he was saying this, and you know to me it still is the weirdest thing that I've ever seen.'' She couldn't explain that the need to keep the room sterile prevented her from bringing in a television set. ''Maybe tomorrow,'' she said gently. ''I don't think we have one right now. I'll see about finding one.'' They looked at each other, eye to eye. Then he dozed off. That happened again and again. Stephen had been alone on the plane because his mother and sisters had flown east from Chicago a few days earlier to spend Christmas with his aunt, but he had been delayed by a sore throat. When his parents arrived at the hospital, they were given a room nearby. Every hour, Stephen's father, William S. Baltz, vice president of the Admiral Corporation of Chicago, which made television sets, came to the room. Calmly, he leaned over his son. ''I remember how he was with Stephen, and how he was able to come in and talk to Stephen as if nothing was wrong,'' she said. ''I never saw him break down, and that was amazing. I didn't have children then, but you could just imagine.'' It was one of the longest nights of the year. The boy's breaths continued, and grayish light filtered in from the windows. Around 7 a.m., a doctor reappeared. Soon, the room was crowded. The administrators filed in. So did more doctors, students from around the hospital to see this unique case, and her own replacement. A feeling of euphoria came over Miss Stull. ''I felt wonderful, and he seemed more alert,'' she said. ''I decided, you know, he's going to make it. Three-quarters of your patients die in those midnight-to-8 a.m. hours. Everyone was quite surprised, even pleased, and they said it's beginning to look like things are settling down a bit.'' She headed back to her apartment. It was going to be a beautiful, clear winter day. Stephen Baltz died at 10 a.m.
Love how they switch sound-effects between the crisp "icy" whoosh of the jet-plane (and even change "perspective" of the "air-blasty" sound depending on whether you're behind, in front of, or inside the jet :D) and the "warm" melodic drone of the prop-plane :D
Love love love this chanel. I initially found this so i can watch documentaries to get past my phobia of flying. Needless to say it made it much worse, still a work in progress but this is by far the best flight channel on youtube. Its devastating to watch these and may all these souls RIP. 😢😞
Yeah, how about doing the one where the DC 10 engine slices the contrail cables and the pilots and flight engineer turn and control the plane by varying thrust and porpoising the craft to airport? think it was in 1989 or so in July , plane cartwheeled on landing but people survived ...and of course THE MIRACLE on the Hudson with Sulley .great channel
An excellent report. I remember this so well. I was 13 at the time and living in the Philadelphia area. It was probably the first major air crash that I was really aware of when it happened, and it involved one of those new-fangled jet airliners. I remember the young boy who had survived and everyone glued to their TVs, but sadly he passed away a day or so later.
You know, when you showed those two planes Coming together, I litterally jumped. Your work is so real, I'm getting tired of pealing the Cat off the ceiling, cause when I jump so does she. You and your work are truely unique.
When i discoverd this channel i wasnt into planed that much... But i started watching and not missing video and i keep reading why it crashed so i know more. And now im working hard to become a pilot. Thank you ❤
I really love how much effort you put in these video’s!! Thanks for taking the time to make another great video. And may the people who died Rest In Peace
I'm lost for words after watching such a tragedy happen! R.I.P. to all those people who lost their lives. My deepest sympathy to all the family members. God Bless You All.
February 29, 1960 was the day we flew from Germany to our new country, America. We flew on a TWA tri-star constellation with stops in Greenland, then Bangor Maine before landing in New York. I was almost 12 and had no idea about this.
Thanks for this upload. My brother read and narrated the story to me when I was only knee high to a small calf back in the seventies, in Kenya. It was on a reader's digest magazine. Now I understand it better.
Being "obsessed with air crashes" is a tad morbid. Being interested in the lessons we can learn as an industry and as individuals, pilots, controllers, engineers etc, is probably a better wording
Same. When I was in school, my friend and I were obsessed with the air crash investigation show on Discovery channel. Now that we have this kind of show at the tip of our fingers.
@Theworst TH-camr Your name seems to match your comment. I never claimed to be a saint, but I have learnt from researching air accidents? Infact it saved my life once with a trim runaway, remembering what a different crew had done to stop it. Theres a reason we refer to accidents in ATPL ground school. It's still morbid to be obsessed with air accidents, saying more that you were fascinated by the causes and by how they get investigated etc isn't.
Thank you for this presentation. I was unaware of this disaster. Tragic still today. In light of the recent air accidents involving the Max 8 aircraft, it shows we cannot be complacent at any time. We must continue efforts to make air travel as safe as possible for future generations.
I was “on my way “ then...funny thing was, we lived in Brooklyn, not too far from the crash site..my Mom never mentioned it; being pregnant and everything (not that I can remember, anyway)...I only found out about it years later in the early. ‘90s when a former nursing supervisor of mine talked about it..she was 17 at the time, lived nearby, and recalled it with chilling recollection..horrific event...
Once again: thanks for a detailed, respectful video that allows non-aviation people to understand the events that lead up to a crash. Horrific outcome for the folks in the planes, and on the ground.
I love the fact that you continue to find ways to make the quality of your videos better and better. Thanks for the great content 👍! And also, Rest In Peace to all who died in this horrific accident.
There's a creepy article from the NYT which details the boys plight as well as gruesome details of the crash itself in Brooklyn including a pic of the DC8's tail section laying in a city street.
I was also 11 years old at the time and living in NJ, not far from where it happened. I now live near Dayton, Ohio where the TWA flight originated. I've never forgotten the incident. And won't.
I was six years old and living in Brooklyn New York that day. I remember watching the news. I had a toy super constellation. I remember about the boy landing in a snowpile.
Thank you for bringing back the crashes of yesteryear. It allows us to compare the causal factors of those crashes with todays. Great Work, thank you Sir
I remember seeing magazine photos of the aftermath as an 8 year old. In particular one image in Life showing the charred remains of mutilated and crash-damaged turbine blades made a lasting impression - I can see it to this day. That didn't stop my interests in sciencey stuff, in fact I became a licensed pilot 20 years later. In 1960, both the FAA and commercial jet travel were only two years old, and there would be a lot to learn. Unlike piston aircraft which slow down dramatically with power reductions, the heavier, sleeker jets would maintain their momentum for many miles. This would cause many more incidents until controllers and aircrews learned to plan and initiate speed reductions much sooner than with piston aircraft. To this day, there are frequent overrun incidents, missed approaches and even crashes caused by the inability to bleed off excess speed and altitude with "slippery" turbojet aircraft. On the FAA side of the coin, standard approach procedures, holding patterns and airways that worked well for the slower and more responsive piston aircraft proved to be difficult or even hazardous for the new jetliners. Much of the established procedure and airport infrastructure had to be modernized (or abandoned completely and replaced) to accommodate the evolving requirements and peculiarities of the new jet airliners. Longer runways, extended distances for IAFs, relocation of VORs and other navaids, and collision avoidance procedures are still improving. The biggest priorities early on were to provide more and better RADAR equipment in aircraft and on the ground.
The DC-8s & 9s were my planes for almost 3 years, but not until 1968-70. Hadn't heard of this event (no internet then, of course). Thank you for covering it. No one will ever know why pilot overshot holding pattern.
I was there !! I was a First-Grader at Holy Family School, 13st and 4th Ave,Brooklyn (Park Slope). The plane that crashed at Sterling Place was so low when it cam over our school,it knocked the concrete cross off the roof ! We thought the plane hit our building. The cross crashed to the street and broke into a million pieces. I am 65 now and when I am reminded of that day, I can STILL hear the plane as it missed our roof by just a few feet........My Uncle George Christie was a mailman in the neighborhood at Sterling Pl. He ran to the site of the crash,but, there was nothing anybody could do,he later told us..........Thank you for this video,it answers questions I have kept to myself for 59 years.........!
I was in the sixth grade, at St Francis Xavier School. He heard what sounded like a plane flying very low, as we looked out the window the United Plane, came over the roof of the school lifted slightly and then crashed two blocks away, into a huge fireball. It was a horrifying sight, that I will never forget. When we were let out of school at lunch time, there were clothes hanging in the trees and I remember a trail of blood in the snow. Don't know if it was from the plane, or someone who had been injured on the ground. Today they cousel children, after something horrific. Then they did nothing. I remember crying to my mother, that I watched all those people die. To this day, I still react when I hear a plane coming over low.
In 1961, radar consoles were bulky enough to usually be built against a wall. There would be no computer mice for another thirty years and no flat screen monitors for another forty. And oh yes, computers in those days were big bulky things, sometimes taking up most of a special temperature controlled room.
I remember this on the news then. I was terrified of every plane that went over my house after that. And the planes were pretty low going into Logan. Connies made a most distinctive whine as they slowed for their approach.
The only merciful things I can get from fatal plane crashes is that either it happens so fast that you didn't even have the time to process the horror of what happened. Or that you are aware with hundreds of others who are about to experience the same fate as you, as everyone comforts one another and holds each other's hands together in prayer seeking forgiveness awaiting the end. R.I.P to all the poor souls who had succumbed to this fate. I've been on a plane more then a few times and every time awaiting take off the thought of something going wrong always crosses my mind. I couldn't imagine my worst fear becoming a hopeless and unchangeable reality. The thought alone just terrifies me.
The TWA Lockheed Constellation was a beautiful plane and I really like how you show the routes of both aircraft as they were headed to NY. Another fantastic remake of that aircraft accident. You never disappoint with your quality and knowledge, thanks as always for sharing.
TWA & United had a earlier mid-air collision over the Grand Canyon in July 1956 with a Constellation & DC-7 & TWA was at fault unlike United in 1960!!!!!
@@66lwmorgan, in Dec. 1972, an Eastern Airlines L1011 Tristar decended into the everglades as it was approaching Miami International airport killing 101 & I remember something stopped working in the cockpit & the flight crew was distracted & the captian pilot was having a migrane headache later found out to be a brain tumor in an autopsy done on him.
Don't know why this channel showed up in my recommended list and don't really know why I clicked on the first one I watched except for maybe curiosity. But I find myself, almost subconsciously clicking on new thumbnails that show up. Guess that means I should stop fighting it and just subscribe already.
@@scottdenesen8044 No one is two words. Not one. And sorry you're so miserable you need to take your anger out on someone else. Hope your life gets better.
This video is incorrect. It states that the last mid-air collision involving two commercial airliners was the one depicted in this video. When in fact on December 4, 1965, an Eastern Air Constellation had mid-air with a TWA 707. The Eastern plane was heading to Newark from Boston, the TWA fromSan Francisco to JFK. The Eastern plane crashed into a field outside of Danbury, CT. The pilot did an amazing job of getting the plane on the ground between two silos into an uphill field at dusk. Sadly 9 folks died in the original crash. The TWA laded safely at JFK. I know this to be as I was on the Eastern flight with my mother and father. My father died two years later as a result of injuries sustained in the crash. Just wanted to set the record straight.
I was about 5 years old living in Brooklyn not far from where this happened. We always saw relatively low flying aircraft heading for what was then Idlewild Airport.
I was 12 years old at the time. Living in Falmouth, Cape Cod. I learned about it from a front page article from "The National Enquirerer" (sp). Very haunting still.
Astounding. Outstanding. Beautiful in all its horror, simultaneously mind-opening and mind-freezing, more educational than anything else I have seen on TH-cam, yet so respectful. The best video of yours I have seen so far. The best thing I have seen on TH-cam, so far... Art.
I remember this very well because the boy who initially survived the crash but died the following day was my age. It was disturbing because at the time I thought only old people died. (BTW, I found this video to be very informative in explaining how the collision happened. Thanks to The Flight Channel for uploading!)
I was about five years younger than Stephen Baltz, and one of my earliest memories is of seeing the famous picture of him lying on the snow. I don't know if I was really capable of understanding the significance, but I do recall that I was profoundly disturbed by the photo.
@@allanmason3201 Hi Allan, I too remember the photo. Somehow it made it more "real" than just hearing Stephen's name and age; the photo showed a kid just like me. It bothered me for a long time afterward.
I remember seeing the coverage on tv as a kid, one guy survived for a while but died before getting to the hospital, pretty rough stuff for a 8 year old to watch, it was a Friday and I was at my grandmothers as I usually was on Friday evenings.
This is the accident that happened over Staten Island NY. It was Miller Airfield. I was born in '71 in Huguenot. But I remember hearing many times about this tragedy. I would like you to know that they are not forgotten, almost 60 years later. They are commemorated, a placard & marker are in both Staten Island Miller Air Field and Park Slope Brooklyn, NY. Thank you for dedicating this to the victims and their families. Cuz they will NEVER FORGET THEM!
Never should have happened. What gets me is that the TWA plane was warned about the presence of the other plane and yet they still collided. And how come the United plane wasn't warned?
When someone's task-saturated, one of the first thing that goes is their hearing - i.e. if the TWA crew were focussing on some issue of their own it's possible none of them consciously heard the transmission.
dezz nutz It’s very hard to move a 20 ton aircraft going on 700 Miles per hour in mid air even 10 inches much less quickly get out of another aircraft way 200 yards it takes time to move it and swerve it the other direction... :(
My grandparents lived only blocks away from the church that got hit by one of these 2 planes. The pictures look like from a Hollywood movie. Heartbreaking to say the least.
As soon as the ATC suggested a shortcut, I knew it was the beginning of a catastrophe. Being keen to beat the clock is integral to achieving such a disaster.
Regardless of what anyone else thinks or there lack of understanding, you've taken a modern software emulator to visually display what couldn't be seen during the actual event on the news. I love watching these videos. It shows you do a lot of research and construction in the emulation to tell it. If only Microsoft had one for vehicles to tell land accidents with.
Thank you for uploading! Well done with the video, I have been hoping you’d do this for a long time. Probably one of the most famous, yet most oldest plane accidents. Thanks for uploading sir, I can’t wait for the next upload! 😁✈️ R.i.p to those who died 🙏
@@teecar9868 Correct you are! The Grand Canyon crash on June 30, 1956 is what abolished the Civil Aeronautics Administration (CAA) and created the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) after congressional hearings and passage of the Federal Aviation Act of 1958. The collision was at cruise altitude above the cloud deck under VFR between another TWA Lockheed Super Constellation and a United Boeing DC-7, both flying east out of LAX. There too all 128 aboard both planes died. It was the first air crash to claim over 100. Radio communications from the aircraft during the crash were recorded by the SFO and SLC Flight Service Station's. My uncle was the CAA Cedar City, UT FSS manager, but they didn't pass into his control after the Palm Springs, CA FSS (they were further south "off airways," and couldn't legally be directed by any air controllers). He transferred to Denver Stapleton that same year, 1956, where he was FAA's FSS manager for another 12 years when he died of an aggressive sarcoma he acquired from Nevada Test Site atomic bomb fallout while maintaining runways and antennas in the fallout 1950-56 in Cedar City. When questioned about the safety of working in fallout, the FAA administrators deferred to the experts in the AEC. His mother worked for Westinghouse assembling atomic bomb triggers at Sandia National Lab. He received awards from the CAA for establishing the policy of prioritized layered holding patterns when he was the Burbank, CA FSS manager in the late 1930's controlling LA Basin traffic. He trained at CAA controllers school San Antonio, TX in 1935. He was FSS manager at SLC before/during WW2 and at Yuma, AZ directly after WW2. Uncle Bob was a B-24 bombardier and is buried in Ft. Logan National Cemetery. There is a National Historic Landmark in the Grand Canyon to memorialize the air collision dead. The victims are buried in common caskets in 2 different pioneer cemeteries within the Park. That should tell you what they collected off the ground and in the trees.
I already know how great this video is going to be,I have been watching you for months now and when I’m older I am going to become an airplane engenier. So watching you guys is a great expperience for me
I was not born yet, but my uncle worked near the site of the Brooklyn crash and told me about how horrible it was. They heard the crash and ran out to see what had happened. Can't imagine what seeing something like that must be like.
@@alandarrin not the best. this channel forgets facts often and has too many advertisements and I'd even go as far as to say unnecessary suspense. not the best.
This is a very moving piece, published in The New York Times and written by William Baltz, “A Little Brother Remembers,” in which he writes about his older brother, Stephen. Eleven-year-old Stephen Baltz became the story in the wake of the crashes; he was the only person who was taken alive from the scenes of the crashes. Though badly burned, he clung to life for a day, then succumbed to his injuries. He died at Methodist Hospital, and a plaque there memorializes him. In that plaque is the change that he had in his pocket when the plane crashed. His parents left that change in a donation box at the hospital.
Excellent video, really sets the picture of how these two planes came together in a way that even Robert Serling's excellent rendition in "The Probable Cause" cannot. This was, in fact, the accident that resulted in the current 250 knot below 10,000 feet speed limit. In 1960, jets often climbed, cruised and descended at the red line airspeed, which was probably close to 350 knots indicated in the DC-8 and just a bit faster in the 707. Fuel cost around 10 cents per gallon back then, and speed was king. The transcontinental schedules were nearly an hour shorter in each direction in 1960 than they are today. But screaming into a terminal area at over 300 knots indicated ( and more like 450 knots over the ground, given the difference between indicated airspeed and true airspeed) was not then nor is it today a good idea in a place like the NY area. Nor was/is failing to report to ATC the failure of one of the main navigation radios. Such a report is required today, and if it was not required then perhaps that is another regulation that grew out of this accident...
All I know is being a pilot for 32 years it has gotten so much safer with all the technology. When I was growing up in the 60s and 70s it was very common to see at least 3 or 4 major crashes a year
Anthony Vallillo thank you for your comment. You have provided some insight which helps to better understand the causes of this occurrence. As excellent and detailed as TFC is, one cannot expect TFC to know or share ALL significant facts with these occurrences. I knew there had to be a little more to this picture...
First, I learned about the collision over the ground canyon and then I learned about this incident on the Weather Channel’s “Why Planes Crash”, where the collision took place over NYC. Both collisions, especially this one immediately took my interest. Thank you for this upload. Very informative.
A sad mix of pilot error, ATC error, and technology failure. Not to mention how unlucky it must be to have a collision with another aircraft with soo much of the air to yourself. A truly perfect storm. RIP
One little boy from United 826 survived the crash but died in the hospital ,hours later from his injuries. Life magazine did a story about the crash with quite a few photos. I was 10 years old and still remember how shocked and sad I was reading about it so much so that for months after I experienced nightmares.
Very interesting video. I lived in Staten Island in 1960 and recall this vividly. Something to add. There was a total of 134 people killed from the crash, those on the two planes as well as six on the ground. There was one little boy that survived the crash, but unfortunately passed away a day later. I did see the pieces scatted at Miller field a day or so later as we had friends that lived right next to it. I’ll never forget that sight. Now here I am, all theses years later, a retired corporate pilot as well as Airframe and Power-plant mech. I so glad that crash didn’t turn me away from flying and aviation.
I love how detailed your video is.not too long nor too short and the fact that u also put up the solutions after each post mortem of each crash ,and what they gonna do in the future to prevent such thing from happening again is great and very informative.goodjob u are my favourite channel now
I was 10 years old living in Brooklyn was in Catholic school and the nuns were scaring us children by telling us that it could happen to us and we would die for our sins...we are 10 what kind of sins would a 10 year old have .Those nuns at Catholic schools were crazy.
Strange, really strange.... The first aviation accident that included passenger planes, was a mid air collision between a United and a TWA plane, above Grand Canyon in 1958. And then this? These 2 airlines are always used to collide to each other!!
...I was in kindergarten and one of my classmates brought a piece of aluminum from the United aircraft to school for 'show and tell", his father was a NYC firefighter...
@@Vfh........y ...what's your fucking problem, I added a personal anecdote from the time of the midair collision that was mildly interesting...how many times have you seen plane wreckage as part of a classroom show and tell?
that's powerful and I do believe you but there are ALOT of liars in the comment sections of these videos. so I can see why someone would leave that first comment up there. ^ you can't deny that people do lie a lot. again your story is true.
Well, that's a *BLATANT. LIE* since it's a CRIME to tamper with wreckage evidence. And no, firefighters are not excluded from the law, folks. Infact, they would _definitely_ know removing wreckage is illegal.
If you are Catholic & believe the teachings of the church for the past 1600 years that would mean that you accept the fact that all 128 souls are probably still suffering in the burning fire of Purgatory for their sins! Either that or the eternal fires of Hell. As I say though that is if you accept and support the teachings of the Catholic church? Obviously a 'false religion!
anotherview The Catholic Church was the only moral guidance the West had for 1500 years, and the Reformation was not an improvement. It’s too easy to take potshots at such a colossal, ancient institution. It saved the indigenous of the New World, btw, which ain’t bad for such a difficult species--we human beings. ((Raised Anglican))
Yeah sorry I didn’t realize that through the video as it wasn’t mentioned, or I didn’t catch it in the video. The saddest part of a tragedy like this is the innocent being in the wrong place and the aftermath that their families must endure.
@Chas Maravel It was indeed fortunate that it occurred when it did. Most of the kids were at school, most of the men were working and many of the women were shopping. It was a cold day, and not many were out and about on that street. Busy Flatbush Avenue was a block away. It would have been a much worse disaster had the plane crashed there.
@Chas Maravel That caretaker was a 91 year old African-American man. He was born just a few years after the Civil war, lived through Reconstruction and the Jim Crow era, only to die in a Brooklyn church due to a plane crash.
Aside from the dreadful tragedy and loss of life, these two planes look like they weren’t meant to be flying in the same time period. The DC-8 appears at least superficially to be like any modern jet airliner from 2020. The super constellation in comparison, although to me beautifully designed, looks positively antiquated with its prop engines.
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I just read from Wikipedia that there was a lone initial survivor from flight 826, he landed in a snow bank which extinguished his burning clothes. He was an 11 year old boy on his way to spend Christmas with relatives. Unfortunately he was badly burned and had inhaled burning fuel. He died of pneumonia the next day. Before he died he expressed that he was worried about his mother who was waiting for him. 😞 .... brave humble kid... that killed me to read that. RIP to all those who were lost...
I knew about that from when I was a kid. ......That day I WILL NEVER forget !!!
What a terribly tragic story. Imagine a young boy showing such courage in his own suffering to worry how it would affect his mom. May all these poor souls rest in peace.💗🌹
Shouldn’t be ripping at those who died.
@@deepspire Who's ripping who?
@@deepspire Nobody was, quite the opposite
All did NOT perish. Stephen Baltz survived, he was 10 years old and landed in a snowbank. He even spoke to reporters for a minute. He died the next day of pneumonia from smoke inhalation. Lets not forget him.
I dont believe anyone forgot-we just did not know their names.thank you.
that still means he died because of the crash
@@jonah9905 Ok, get technical because I didn't say "instantly" like flightchannel did.
Dyan Shane, Then the video was right "all perished".
@@dyanshane Point understood. But flightchannel never said instantly. It's alright, we all do it: imagine something read, viewed or heard...not necessarily to support one's contention - just an error, that's all.
I can’t think of anything more horrific than to see the ground coming and there’s nothing you can do. RIP to all those that died that day.
RIght. It's like speeding on a highway with no brakes or steering, knowing you'll have a fatal accident in a few minutes and there's no way to avoid it. These poor people. I can imagine the screaming and the horror.:(
Yep... It's not like being in a car. If ya have mechanical failures in a vechical, ya can pull over.. Plane is a different story.
@@willnot3297 yeah, it's not like being in a car but the other person's right. Not in terms of how everything happens, but it's the same idea. If you're on a motorway that's going downhill and your brakes stop working and you're just speeding up it must be terrifying. There's a 911 call of a guy who this happened to and I can't imagine what he and his family went through
There are slower more painful ways to go all things considered
@@muffdivinbuckwildn184 yeah like overdosing
I really like how he does 'in memory of the people', makes you remember that it wasn't just some event 60 years ago that is disconnected from us...those people ARE us, with all of their little individual lives stolen away, along with their hopes and dreams. You always think 'that could never be me' until it is.
For us, millenials, z generation this crash is from a long long time ago. But the people who lived this time was alive.
And for me, a Brazilian who see the mid-air collision consequences in 2006 (Gol 1907 x Legacy), is not too distance.
Hi, Dostoyevsky
@@rocioaguilera3613 You are a cultured fellow ;)
Nicely stated.....
GOD Gives , and GOD takes away..seems MEAN, but not, according to HIS PLAN..We get our answers, but only after we DIE
I find it amazing that what is never mentioned as being a causal factor is crew fatigue. That United cockpit crew had flown that aircraft all night from LAX to ORD before continuing on to New York. I don't understand why that was not considered as contributing to the error they made.
I was 13 at the time of this accident, I am now 72 and a retired airline Captain. I am pleased to say that an event like this nowadays with technology, TCAS, is almost impossible between professional well trained pilots and ATC. Brilliant video as usual, thank you.
I thought that too, and one night in Zurich, on a layover, I expressed that very thought to a couple sitting next to our crew at dinner. When I got down to the hotel lobby the next morning, the FO asked me how I felt about what happened not more than an hour or two after I made that statement. It was at that moment that I discovered that two jets had collided and crashed almost right over our heads, TCAS notwithstanding. The rules about following TCAS vs ATC were made clearer after that accident, but I still shudder at the coincidence of it all.
@@anthonyvallillo422 I think I watched a video of what happened in that crash. The pilot went the advice of ATC and both planes descend at the same altitude and crashed in each other. It was after that they made it mandator that TCAS takes precedence over ATC.
@@vensworld3459 Exactly so.
I met a lady at a dinner party in CT and her father perished in this disaster. I don't recall which plane he was on, I think the larger one. She said her life "went quiet" afterwards, she was only 8yo. I fear flying more than all the things in life there are to fear.
"Almost impossible" means TOTALLY possible.
Rest In Peace, Steven Baultz. He was the lone survivor who sadly passed away at
the then Methodist Hospital on 7 Ave just a few blocks from the crash site. I remember it well, having gone to the scene the next day 😥
Thanks for this, as I thought there was a single survivor.
17 Dec 1960 (aged 11)
The 1956 collision between the same two combatants gave us the ATC centers we have today and serious radar. Improvements are built on the blood of previous pass
The point being that those who perished did not do so in vain.
Every TCAS rule is written in the blood of previous soul
Also one of the planes landed on a funeral home. A young couple and child staying as caretakers there got out safe. It was weird that it fell on the funeral home. Very sad for all involved.
It actually crashed into a church, and the name of that church was Pillar of Fire Church. The Funeral home was on the corner. The tail of the plane, ended up in the intersection.
What is remarkable is that no one on the ground died. Don't know if this was sheer luck.
The plane almost to out the steeple of a church, I think the steeple was called long before the crash, the steeple of fire….weird that it almost was
@@Vydio Actually there were six ground casualties.
@@Vydio Six people on the ground did die.
My dad was an Army aviator stationed at Miller Field when this happened. He said pieces (of everything) were scattered all over the field, which was covered in snow. Had to look in each hole to see what it was.
Maybe a person
I'm going to guess it took him a long time to recover from that. Whew ...
I googled this and was quite surprised in a city the size of Brooklyn there were only 6 fatalities on the ground. RIP to those 6 unlucky souls but I think it's incredible that it wasn't much worse considering the dense population.
Several factors were behind the low number of fatalities on the ground. One, this crash occurred during a week day morning, when most of the men were at work, the kids were in school, and the women were also at work or shopping on nearby Flatbush Ave. Two, it was a cold December morning, so few people were out and about on the street. I know that two of the six who died on the ground were selling Christmas trees on the corner. Three, the plane actually crash landed in the middle of the street, and not on top of houses or commercial properties filled with people.
The 2 men selling Christmas trees were 100 feet from corner. The jets wing sliced through the top of an apartment building, and a millisecond later, demolished a church across the street. A sanitation worker removing snow at the corner was killed. A dentist walk8ng his dog past the church died days later. The caretaker of the church was killed. And a butcher was killed when Wall from a building crashed through his roof.
I remember this mid-air. A 11 year old boy, on board the DC-8, actually survived the initial crash, still strapped in his seat. However, he'd inhaled flames or heated air and died a day later from complications of his seared lungs.
"Initial survivor
The only initial survivor of the crash was 11-year-old Stephen Lambert Baltz (born January 9, 1949) of Wilmette, Illinois. He was traveling unaccompanied as part of his family's plans to spend Christmas in Yonkers with relatives. Baltz was thrown from the plane into a snowbank where his burning clothing was extinguished. Although alive and conscious, he was badly burned and had inhaled burning fuel.[8] He died of pneumonia the next day. A plaque in the hospital's chapel memorializing the crash's victims displays four U.S. dimes and five U.S. nickels found in Baltz's pocket."
I was an air traffic controller from 1975 to 1981, I knew controllers who were working at the time of this crash.
RedRose7997 shouldnt we all ratchet things down.. not elevate them to critical mass.. read, learn, chill... just sayin’
Experience is a teacher whose thread never dies. The essence of the NTSB endeavor & now to, its History.
Pat Hines Oh that poor child. Alone and in pain, dying in the snow. I wonder what he must’ve felt and thought
@@winterweek8518 Don't worry, one day you'll be able to match this feat of human ingenuity, perhaps even manage to spell properly too.
He died in the hospital.
My wife and I both worked for United Airlines at the time of this tragedy. We were in passenger service at the Eastside Airlines Terminal.
Working different shifts, she was at work and I was home in Brooklyn only a short distance away from the crash site of the jet.
I recall the heartbreak of all of us at that time. I also remember the sound of the crash. It is good to know that government can actually work to improve our lives. The introduction of jet aircraft was obviously a factor with new experience to be gained.
Watching Now. Real life is stranger than fiction. Take Good Care And Best Wishes For Your Future. Sincerely, Kim *
Weren't there some deaths on the ground?
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According to Wikipedia 6 people on the ground were killed.
@Miles Coverdale Remember, the government couldn't solve the anthrax attacks on the US Senate in Oct 2001. 5 people died. The FBI has the information to solve it, but refuses to implicate one of their retired. I reported the preparations 8 years earlier and justice has been obstructed ever since. There are agencies within the federal government that cannot be trusted for anything because of less than stellar staff running personal agendas. Another example is the AEC whose personal agendas led to the premature deaths of 100's of thousands of domestic victims, and the Radiation Exposure Compensation Act of 1990. FBI and AEC are/were merit staff, not elected officials.
I cannot imagine the sheer terror that the passengers felt, knowing they were going to die. May they Rest In Peace. Amen,
I’m glad they didn’t book flights like they do today where there isn’t an empty seat. Otherwise, this catastrophe would haven been so much worse.
That TWA place is a real beauty. I’ve never flown any of the DC planes and never would have. So many met terrible endings.
Thank you for all the effort you put into these detailed reconstructions and for not ever forgetting the lives lost
My grandmother flew a dc10 back post- flight 191, (seat 6F) I flew an MD82 in 2019, seat 5A. At least our family got to fly McDonnell Douglas Manufactured planes
I remember this as I was the same age as the young boy...I believe they found the boy strapped to his seat in a snow bank...there are articles in Google about a nurse that took care of the young boy...He asked her if he was going to die, she of course tried to console his fears...knowing full well he would not survive...such a haunting memory of a terrible day in aviation
I am so sad for these aircrafts that are supposed to be safe, but human error made dreadful, fatal mistakes...I don't think I will ever fly again💔
🙏📖👑🌹🙏🔥
I was a young boy in Brooklyn when this happened. When the news got out and we heard that a boy named Stephen Baltz had initially survived (he died the next morning, just after his father got to the hospital), all the kids would talk about "poor Stevie" like he was one of our own. I guess he was.
Now I understand how some people phobiavofvflying prevents them from getting on a plane.
The child had been placed in a glassed-in nursery and was surrounded by doctors, nurses, equipment. The doctors spoke quietly, each weighing in on his area of expertise: the head of orthopedics saying he wanted to set Stephen's broken leg, but could not because of the burns; the plastic surgeon speaking of skin grafts. The chief of pediatrics, of surgery. They were all there.
Then she saw him. He was so badly burned, she could not tell what race he was. A bone stuck out of one of his legs. He was covered only by a small, sterilized sheet on his groin. ''They couldn't even cover him with a sheet because of the bacteria factor,'' she said. ''He was just open wounds all over. I've never seen someone burned like this.''
She was put somewhat at ease by the experts milling around.
''They all kind of worked together, they had to,'' she said. ''It was just a case that I don't think many people get to see in a lifetime.''
As each doctor noticed Miss Stull, he updated her briefly on Stephen's condition and what could be expected during the night. She started to have a sickened feeling.
One by one, their orders given, the doctors headed out the door, and not long after 12:30 a.m. the nurse realized that she was alone with two young nursing students and Stephen Baltz.
''When I got there, every chief of every service was on the floor, and I thought, 'It's not going to be too bad, all the people here to help me.' Because, you see, decisions had to be made that nursing usually doesn't do. But everyone disappeared.''
Silence, except for Stephen's halting breaths.
HER training kicked in. First, check his respiration by watching his chest gently rise and fall. Next, his fluids, his blood and urine. Every 10 minutes she updated her logbook. She stood the whole time. There was only one chair in the room, and a nursing student was asleep in it.
Stephen had also been sleeping when she got there, but a little later, he suddenly chirped up with the bell-like voice of a healthy child. He wanted to know where he was, he felt fine, he wanted a television.
''You stood there looking at this little boy,'' she said, ''and he was saying this, and you know to me it still is the weirdest thing that I've ever seen.''
She couldn't explain that the need to keep the room sterile prevented her from bringing in a television set. ''Maybe tomorrow,'' she said gently. ''I don't think we have one right now. I'll see about finding one.''
They looked at each other, eye to eye.
Then he dozed off.
That happened again and again.
Stephen had been alone on the plane because his mother and sisters had flown east from Chicago a few days earlier to spend Christmas with his aunt, but he had been delayed by a sore throat.
When his parents arrived at the hospital, they were given a room nearby. Every hour, Stephen's father, William S. Baltz, vice president of the Admiral Corporation of Chicago, which made television sets, came to the room. Calmly, he leaned over his son.
''I remember how he was with Stephen, and how he was able to come in and talk to Stephen as if nothing was wrong,'' she said. ''I never saw him break down, and that was amazing. I didn't have children then, but you could just imagine.''
It was one of the longest nights of the year. The boy's breaths continued, and grayish light filtered in from the windows. Around 7 a.m., a doctor reappeared. Soon, the room was crowded. The administrators filed in. So did more doctors, students from around the hospital to see this unique case, and her own replacement.
A feeling of euphoria came over Miss Stull.
''I felt wonderful, and he seemed more alert,'' she said. ''I decided, you know, he's going to make it. Three-quarters of your patients die in those midnight-to-8 a.m. hours. Everyone was quite surprised, even pleased, and they said it's beginning to look like things are settling down a bit.''
She headed back to her apartment. It was going to be a beautiful, clear winter day.
Stephen Baltz died at 10 a.m.
This channel is one of the rare places where every feedback is positive, and it sure deserves it!!
Bareerah Obaid Agreed
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ahhhhhhhhhhh shadddddup.........
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@@armentasanchez8130 loool 😭😂
We lived 5 miles away from the Brooklyn crash. My father drove us their and it was total devastation. As a 7 year old I wasn't able to comprehend everything that was going on, but I do remember seeing the damage.
Spiderman into the spidervers
What a horrific way to die. Staying in the air for those 8 miles just dragged out the terror. So scary and sad.
1 minute and 22 seconds, that would seem like forever.
Enough time to give thanks and await glory beyond words. The passing would be instantaneous...merciful.
@@edzanjero353 you would wish but nope, we people die slow painful deaths. a boy survived this crash and was conscious but died a day later.
I know ppl say flying is safe and cars are more dangerous, but it’s the WAY you would die in an airplane that I don’t like regardless of the chances. If it weren’t a necessity for survival in today’s society I would avoid all travel.
@@edzanjero353 nope
When I first read the title of the video, that it was a collision between a United plane and a TWA plane, I assumed for a second it was referring to the Grand Canyon collision in 1956... but it's a totally different one. I had no idea about this accident... Crazy to think that the same two airlines had separate collision incidents with each other just 4 years apart. In both accidents, the TWA plane was a Lockheed L-1049 Super Constellation. As for the United plane in the Grand Canyon crash it was a DC-7, and in this one it's a DC-8. RIP to all those lost 🙏 🙏
Let's be serious you seen them back to back here on TH-cam.
As a kid, all I knew is that my parents refused to fly TWA. Now that I've seen tons of videos and read about all the incidents involving TWA (which admittedly seem to have little to nothing to do with TWA itself other than coincidence), I now understand why 😬
The TWA flight wasn't the one at fault it was the jet that went past the allowed space
TWA was owned by Howard Hughes. This accident, I don't understand why TWA took any responsibility. But they shelled out 12%. On the other hand, United was hesitant and cheap. Ppl in that area refused to use them as much as possible
Imagine being a passenger staring outside of your window seeing another plane coming towards you..
LI .B stfu
I wondered where all the trolls were on this channel. I managed to see a year's worth of Flight Channel videos and . . . HERE THEY ARE!
@LI .B Wtf...
Its scary shit.
@LI .B no ome deserves to die. Whether youre foreighn or american. So dont be sich a stubid person.
ATC & pilot error. But ATC should have advised the United flight that they we out of position by 11 MILES!
They should have seen it on radar.
The fact that they warned TWA of jet traffic before indicates they did see it on radar, which has always been my question on this crash, why didn't ATC issue reroute directions to either or both to try and avoid the crash?
@@tf51d there wasnt enough time..Plus the pilot would hae to request a course change.
Was their approach radar accurate enough to detect just how far off the United flight was?.
^ exactly.
I can't imagine the amount of work it takes for you to compile these episodes. The are very enlightening, and I have learned a lot. Thank you!
Meh play on a computer game for half and hour to get the shots and check wikipedia to get the info to input the text.
My father was suppose to be on the the United flight from Chicago. In 1960, he was in Wayland Academy Boarding school near Madison WI. He was headed to Puerto Rico to see his parents (my grandparents) for Christmas. His flight was late coming from Madison due to snow. He missed United flight 826 from Chicago to Idylwild. Had he been on this doomed flight I would have never existed. Sadly, he is now 76 and dying from lung cancer.
You have to wonder how often planes end up too close to each other. Yes there is ACAS now but I remember back in the 80's living in a suburb NW of Ohare airport , one day hearing a planes jet engines suddenly increasing in thrust and in looking up, two planes crossing each others paths.
How do these types of things happen? POOR COMMUNICATION by both the tower and the pilots!!
One thing to note, Steve Baltz, an 11 year old boy initially survived the crash of the DC8 when he was thrown into a snowbank. He was conscious although badly burned. Unfortunately he passed away from his injuries the next day. He had been flying alone of the flight to meet his family for Christmas. From what I read, his parents were at the hospital when he passed.
Also 6 people died on the ground so the total fatalities was 134.
@Teleoceras
Thanks for the background! That's incredible and if he would have survived and become healed a miracle. It's a shame that a lack of communication seems to be what really cemented the outcome and collision.
The child had been placed in a glassed-in nursery and was surrounded by doctors, nurses, equipment. The doctors spoke quietly, each weighing in on his area of expertise: the head of orthopedics saying he wanted to set Stephen's broken leg, but could not because of the burns; the plastic surgeon speaking of skin grafts. The chief of pediatrics, of surgery. They were all there.
Then she saw him. He was so badly burned, she could not tell what race he was. A bone stuck out of one of his legs. He was covered only by a small, sterilized sheet on his groin. ''They couldn't even cover him with a sheet because of the bacteria factor,'' she said. ''He was just open wounds all over. I've never seen someone burned like this.''
She was put somewhat at ease by the experts milling around.
''They all kind of worked together, they had to,'' she said. ''It was just a case that I don't think many people get to see in a lifetime.''
As each doctor noticed Miss Stull, he updated her briefly on Stephen's condition and what could be expected during the night. She started to have a sickened feeling.
One by one, their orders given, the doctors headed out the door, and not long after 12:30 a.m. the nurse realized that she was alone with two young nursing students and Stephen Baltz.
''When I got there, every chief of every service was on the floor, and I thought, 'It's not going to be too bad, all the people here to help me.' Because, you see, decisions had to be made that nursing usually doesn't do. But everyone disappeared.''
Silence, except for Stephen's halting breaths.
HER training kicked in. First, check his respiration by watching his chest gently rise and fall. Next, his fluids, his blood and urine. Every 10 minutes she updated her logbook. She stood the whole time. There was only one chair in the room, and a nursing student was asleep in it.
Stephen had also been sleeping when she got there, but a little later, he suddenly chirped up with the bell-like voice of a healthy child. He wanted to know where he was, he felt fine, he wanted a television.
''You stood there looking at this little boy,'' she said, ''and he was saying this, and you know to me it still is the weirdest thing that I've ever seen.''
She couldn't explain that the need to keep the room sterile prevented her from bringing in a television set. ''Maybe tomorrow,'' she said gently. ''I don't think we have one right now. I'll see about finding one.''
They looked at each other, eye to eye.
Then he dozed off.
That happened again and again.
Stephen had been alone on the plane because his mother and sisters had flown east from Chicago a few days earlier to spend Christmas with his aunt, but he had been delayed by a sore throat.
When his parents arrived at the hospital, they were given a room nearby. Every hour, Stephen's father, William S. Baltz, vice president of the Admiral Corporation of Chicago, which made television sets, came to the room. Calmly, he leaned over his son.
''I remember how he was with Stephen, and how he was able to come in and talk to Stephen as if nothing was wrong,'' she said. ''I never saw him break down, and that was amazing. I didn't have children then, but you could just imagine.''
It was one of the longest nights of the year. The boy's breaths continued, and grayish light filtered in from the windows. Around 7 a.m., a doctor reappeared. Soon, the room was crowded. The administrators filed in. So did more doctors, students from around the hospital to see this unique case, and her own replacement.
A feeling of euphoria came over Miss Stull.
''I felt wonderful, and he seemed more alert,'' she said. ''I decided, you know, he's going to make it. Three-quarters of your patients die in those midnight-to-8 a.m. hours. Everyone was quite surprised, even pleased, and they said it's beginning to look like things are settling down a bit.''
She headed back to her apartment. It was going to be a beautiful, clear winter day.
Stephen Baltz died at 10 a.m.
Can’t imagine how horrifying that would have been to experience. Rest In Peace.
Love how they switch sound-effects between the crisp "icy" whoosh of the jet-plane (and even change "perspective" of the "air-blasty" sound depending on whether you're behind, in front of, or inside the jet :D) and the "warm" melodic drone of the prop-plane :D
You'll have that
@@rickfeith6372 Do you mean that's the sound that you would hear if you were in those different places?
"Connies" r beautiful classics!
@@jamesmaccallum6034 Yes, I always liked its shape; I remarked on that even before I knew it was considered an especially beautiful design :)
I agree. TheFlightChannel puts so much detail in these videos. It's one reason I love this channel so much.
Love love love this chanel. I initially found this so i can watch documentaries to get past my phobia of flying. Needless to say it made it much worse, still a work in progress but this is by far the best flight channel on youtube.
Its devastating to watch these and may all these souls RIP. 😢😞
Its kinda weird that a few years earlier the same airlines had a mid air collision over grand canyon and each crash resulted in 128 people dying. 🤔
Yeah same amount of people and same airlines 😦 .. very weird conicidence
This is what we refer to as “creepy coincidences”.💀
I was born December 9 nearby in Brooklyn and my dad told me he could smell the aviation fuel,smoke,etc when he came to see me in the hospital.
My kid brother was born the day after this tragedy. I kept the newspaper with his birth news, and sadly the headline was this crash.
Nice works by adding the map! It helps a lot to understand the situation better.
Bashar Rafid agreed!!
Yeah
Yeah, how about doing the one where the DC 10 engine slices the contrail cables and the pilots and flight engineer turn and control the plane by varying thrust and porpoising the craft to airport? think it was in 1989 or so in July , plane cartwheeled on landing but people survived ...and of course THE MIRACLE on the Hudson with Sulley .great channel
Bashar Rafid u think this is Nice!people died that day!what if was your mother in there
@@sercoinho8524 Is English your first language? You don't seem to comprehend what he said and have emotionally triggered yourself.
An excellent report. I remember this so well. I was 13 at the time and living in the Philadelphia area. It was probably the first major air crash that I was really aware of when it happened, and it involved one of those new-fangled jet airliners. I remember the young boy who had survived and everyone glued to their TVs, but sadly he passed away a day or so later.
Remember it well, Was 9 years old then living in Brooklyn, One boy survived for few days but lungs were so badly burned he died later
*_I love how big the sky is, yet these two flights managed to touch each other_*
_BTW RIP_
flight paths... they cant fly just anywhere in that big open sky if they could this would not have happened....hmmm
@@MR-ld3ry I FLY WHERE I WANT ALL THE TIME AND HAVE HAD NO ISSUES WHAT SO EVER. 35000 FEET THE SKY IS MINE MINE MINE MUAH HAHAHAHA
1000 subscribers without any video challenge you just hit 1K subs with no content. I’m your 1000th sub
@@MR-ld3ry you actually taking that seriously?
The sky is not at all "big" in NYC, especially when you get below 10,000 feet.
You know, when you showed those two planes Coming together, I litterally jumped. Your work is so real, I'm getting tired of pealing the Cat off the ceiling, cause when I jump so does she. You and your work are truely unique.
Syriana Kahli , I do too! I braced myself for this one. So often, I am so absorbed in the story, that I feel like I am on one of the planes!
I had to laugh when I read your comment as I could just picture that happening! Thanks for making me laugh! 🙂👍
Your totally right
Syriana Kahli 😂💀
Eat the cat! Problem solved. 👳👳🐱🐱🐱🐱🐱🐱
When i discoverd this channel i wasnt into planed that much... But i started watching and not missing video and i keep reading why it crashed so i know more. And now im working hard to become a pilot. Thank you ❤
Fluffy RR you are nuts to want to fly a deathtrap, but to each his own...
I was thinking about being a pilot, and now I have no interest in flying whatsoever, even as a passenger. I will never die in an airplane.
@@nancyayers6355 each person that i tell him i want To be a pilot says im crazy but i just love the job so much
Fluffy RR, I think you would enjoy the “74 Gear” channel.
@@tracyfrazier7440 Thank you so much for telling me about this channel! ❤
I really love how much effort you put in these video’s!! Thanks for taking the time to make another great video. And may the people who died Rest In Peace
humans love disasters we seem to feed off them
I'm lost for words after watching such a tragedy happen!
R.I.P. to all those people who lost their lives. My deepest sympathy to all the family members.
God Bless You All.
February 29, 1960 was the day we flew from Germany to our new country, America. We flew on a TWA tri-star constellation with stops in Greenland, then Bangor Maine before landing in New York. I was almost 12 and had no idea about this.
I wish I'd seen a Constellation in action. They're a beautiful looking plane, even if they were obsolete and had design flaws.
I thought it was the 1011 which was nicknamed the "tri-star"?
Thanks for this upload. My brother read and narrated the story to me when I was only knee high to a small calf back in the seventies, in Kenya. It was on a reader's digest magazine. Now I understand it better.
When you have a classmate as obsessed as you with air crashes and you talk about this channel almost everyday 😍
Being "obsessed with air crashes" is a tad morbid. Being interested in the lessons we can learn as an industry and as individuals, pilots, controllers, engineers etc, is probably a better wording
@@smokingspitfire1197
YES! I TOTALLY AGREE!!
JEFFREY S. SIMON.... BOSTON
Same. When I was in school, my friend and I were obsessed with the air crash investigation show on Discovery channel. Now that we have this kind of show at the tip of our fingers.
@Theworst TH-camr Your name seems to match your comment. I never claimed to be a saint, but I have learnt from researching air accidents? Infact it saved my life once with a trim runaway, remembering what a different crew had done to stop it. Theres a reason we refer to accidents in ATPL ground school. It's still morbid to be obsessed with air accidents, saying more that you were fascinated by the causes and by how they get investigated etc isn't.
Thank you for this presentation. I was unaware of this disaster. Tragic still today. In light of the recent air accidents involving the Max 8 aircraft, it shows we cannot be complacent at any time. We must continue efforts to make air travel as safe as possible for future generations.
Im sure aviation r trg to make plane ss ssfe and well trained pilotd snd staff
I was “on my way “ then...funny thing was, we lived in Brooklyn, not too far from the crash site..my Mom never mentioned it; being pregnant and everything (not that I can remember, anyway)...I only found out about it years later in the early. ‘90s when a former nursing supervisor of mine talked about it..she was 17 at the time, lived nearby, and recalled it with chilling recollection..horrific event...
Once again: thanks for a detailed, respectful video that allows non-aviation people to understand the events that lead up to a crash. Horrific outcome for the folks in the planes, and on the ground.
I love the fact that you continue to find ways to make the quality of your videos better and better. Thanks for the great content 👍! And also, Rest In Peace to all who died in this horrific accident.
a boy survived 826 but then died shortly afterwards due to smoke inhalation which damaged his lungs. RIP
There's a creepy article from the NYT which details the boys plight as well as gruesome details of the crash itself in Brooklyn including a pic of the DC8's tail section laying in a city street.
That boy was 11 years old and travelling unaccompanied. Imagine the shock of his family :(
@@BlackMan614 Methodist Hospital used to display the coins in the boy's pocket as part of its memorial wall to the crash.
I was also 11 years old at the time and living in NJ, not far from where it happened. I now live near Dayton, Ohio where the TWA flight originated. I've never forgotten the incident. And won't.
Yes, 11-year-old Stephen Balz
I’ve always wanted to fly aboard a Constellation, they look like wonderful planes and the tri-tail configuration is simply lovely.
There's an example of one at the TWA Hotel (the former TWA Terminal 5) at JFK Airport.
I was six years old and living in Brooklyn New York that day. I remember watching the news. I had a toy super constellation. I remember about the boy landing in a snowpile.
It's so horrible that accidents "have" to happen in order for the industry to make changes for the better... RIP
Thank you for bringing back the crashes of yesteryear. It allows us to compare the causal factors of those crashes with todays. Great Work, thank you Sir
YES WE ALL LOVE DISASTERS
I remember seeing magazine photos of the aftermath as an 8 year old. In particular one image in Life showing the charred remains of mutilated and crash-damaged turbine blades made a lasting impression - I can see it to this day. That didn't stop my interests in sciencey stuff, in fact I became a licensed pilot 20 years later.
In 1960, both the FAA and commercial jet travel were only two years old, and there would be a lot to learn. Unlike piston aircraft which slow down dramatically with power reductions, the heavier, sleeker jets would maintain their momentum for many miles. This would cause many more incidents until controllers and aircrews learned to plan and initiate speed reductions much sooner than with piston aircraft. To this day, there are frequent overrun incidents, missed approaches and even crashes caused by the inability to bleed off excess speed and altitude with "slippery" turbojet aircraft.
On the FAA side of the coin, standard approach procedures, holding patterns and airways that worked well for the slower and more responsive piston aircraft proved to be difficult or even hazardous for the new jetliners. Much of the established procedure and airport infrastructure had to be modernized (or abandoned completely and replaced) to accommodate the evolving requirements and peculiarities of the new jet airliners. Longer runways, extended distances for IAFs, relocation of VORs and other navaids, and collision avoidance procedures are still improving. The biggest priorities early on were to provide more and better RADAR equipment in aircraft and on the ground.
Tldr
@@quinnheal6954 The TLDR version: Jets don't handle like prop planes, this took a long time to adjust to.
The DC-8s & 9s were my planes for almost 3 years, but not until 1968-70. Hadn't heard of this event (no internet then, of course). Thank you for covering it. No one will ever know why pilot overshot holding pattern.
I was there !! I was a First-Grader at Holy Family School, 13st and 4th Ave,Brooklyn (Park Slope). The plane that crashed at Sterling Place was so low when it cam over our school,it knocked the concrete cross off the roof ! We thought the plane hit our building. The cross crashed to the street and broke into a million pieces. I am 65 now and when I am reminded of that day, I can STILL hear the plane as it missed our roof by just a few feet........My Uncle George Christie was a mailman in the neighborhood at Sterling Pl. He ran to the site of the crash,but, there was nothing anybody could do,he later told us..........Thank you for this video,it answers questions I have kept to myself for 59 years.........!
I was in the sixth grade, at St Francis Xavier School. He heard what sounded like a plane flying very low, as we looked out the window the United Plane, came over the roof of the school lifted slightly and then crashed two blocks away, into a huge fireball. It was a horrifying sight, that I will never forget. When we were let out of school at lunch time, there were clothes hanging in the trees and I remember a trail of blood in the snow. Don't know if it was from the plane, or someone who had been injured on the ground. Today they cousel children, after something horrific. Then they did nothing. I remember crying to my mother, that I watched all those people die. To this day, I still react when I hear a plane coming over low.
In 1961, radar consoles were bulky enough to usually be built against a wall. There would be no computer mice for another thirty years and no flat screen monitors for another forty. And oh yes, computers in those days were big bulky things, sometimes taking up most of a special temperature controlled room.
Already know it’ll be great because it’s uploaded by you
Robert Griffith wtf
Robert Griffith What are you Running?
*When you try to get hearts*
@@youtakel7708 Or when you try to be nice.
@@kavirajnosib4648 i was joking, chill out.
I remember this on the news then. I was terrified of every plane that went over my house after that. And the planes were pretty low going into Logan. Connies made a most distinctive whine as they slowed for their approach.
The only merciful things I can get from fatal plane crashes is that either it happens so fast that you didn't even have the time to process the horror of what happened. Or that you are aware with hundreds of others who are about to experience the same fate as you, as everyone comforts one another and holds each other's hands together in prayer seeking forgiveness awaiting the end. R.I.P to all the poor souls who had succumbed to this fate. I've been on a plane more then a few times and every time awaiting take off the thought of something going wrong always crosses my mind. I couldn't imagine my worst fear becoming a hopeless and unchangeable reality. The thought alone just terrifies me.
At 10:55 we hear the “pull up” from GPWS. However, ground proximity warning system would not come about for at least 10 more years.
YEAH OK MR EVERYTHING IS PERFECT
Good point
@@catherinekane2584 yea I think that's the case.
The TWA Lockheed Constellation was a beautiful plane and I really like how you show the routes of both aircraft as they were headed to NY. Another fantastic remake of that aircraft accident. You never disappoint with your quality and knowledge, thanks as always for sharing.
TWA & United had a earlier mid-air collision over the Grand Canyon in July 1956 with a Constellation & DC-7 & TWA was at fault unlike United in 1960!!!!!
@@RonSafreed Yes, I remember reading about and watching it on Air Disasters, thankfully technology has come a long ways. Thank you RonSafreed.
@@66lwmorgan, in Dec. 1972, an Eastern Airlines L1011 Tristar decended into the everglades as it was approaching Miami International airport killing 101 & I remember something stopped working in the cockpit & the flight crew was distracted & the captian pilot was having a migrane headache later found out to be a brain tumor in an autopsy done on him.
NOT AFTER THAT
A very sad story well told and masterfully animated. TFC sets the standard of excellence. Kudos!
Those Superconstellations sure were a sight to see. It's right up there on my list of sexiest-looking aircraft.
My mother was a public school teacher on SI at the time and she was told to keep the kids inside due to the carnage left on the ground from the crash.
Don't know why this channel showed up in my recommended list and don't really know why I clicked on the first one I watched except for maybe curiosity. But I find myself, almost subconsciously clicking on new thumbnails that show up. Guess that means I should stop fighting it and just subscribe already.
Noone cares just subscribe ok
@@scottdenesen8044 No one is two words. Not one. And sorry you're so miserable you need to take your anger out on someone else. Hope your life gets better.
Get a makeover
@@scottdenesen8044 Great comeback.
I'll just leave this conversation as is.
Have a great day.
This video is incorrect. It states that the last mid-air collision involving two commercial airliners was the one depicted in this video. When in fact on December 4, 1965, an Eastern Air Constellation had mid-air with a TWA 707. The Eastern plane was heading to Newark from Boston, the TWA fromSan Francisco to JFK. The Eastern plane crashed into a field outside of Danbury, CT. The pilot did an amazing job of getting the plane on the ground between two silos into an uphill field at dusk. Sadly 9 folks died in the original crash. The TWA laded safely at JFK. I know this to be as I was on the Eastern flight with my mother and father. My father died two years later as a result of injuries sustained in the crash. Just wanted to set the record straight.
My God. Sorry for your loss.
Oh my. My heart goes out to you. What sadness it would be to know this happened
how old were you?
At 13:42 he acknowledges “there have been three more mid-air collisions” ?
Congratulations on surviving, do you still fly after that?
I was about 5 years old living in Brooklyn not far from where this happened. We always saw relatively low flying aircraft heading for what was then Idlewild Airport.
I was 12 years old at the time. Living in Falmouth, Cape Cod. I learned about it from a front page article from "The National Enquirerer" (sp). Very haunting still.
Astounding. Outstanding.
Beautiful in all its horror, simultaneously mind-opening and mind-freezing, more educational than anything else I have seen on TH-cam, yet so respectful. The best video of yours I have seen so far. The best thing I have seen on TH-cam, so far...
Art.
Wait... There is a difference between outstanding and astounding?
loser.
@@mohpkhall622 Actually, there is a YUGE difference. You may want to refer to Webster's and bone up on the English language. LOL
@@Cokie907 well i am from the middle east...
@@Cokie907 Woah. So much of a difference that "huge" needs a y 😜
This is scarily similar to the Grand Canyon Disaster, where a United DC-7 hit a TWA Super Constellation
Yes indeed! I thought it was that incident, until I saw New York as location
TFC made a video about it today
Yeah same as me i was thinking this was no where damn near as good as the air crash investigation one wth lol
All the dear souls that died, in this horrible tragedy😰
I remember this very well because the boy who initially survived the crash but died the following day was my age. It was disturbing because at the time I thought only old people died. (BTW, I found this video to be very informative in explaining how the collision happened. Thanks to The Flight Channel for uploading!)
I was about five years younger than Stephen Baltz, and one of my earliest memories is of seeing the famous picture of him lying on the snow. I don't know if I was really capable of understanding the significance, but I do recall that I was profoundly disturbed by the photo.
@@allanmason3201 Hi Allan, I too remember the photo. Somehow it made it more "real" than just hearing Stephen's name and age; the photo showed a kid just like me. It bothered me for a long time afterward.
aw that's so cute.
I remember seeing the coverage on tv as a kid, one guy survived for a while but died before getting to the hospital, pretty rough stuff for a 8 year old to watch, it was a Friday and I was at my grandmothers as I usually was on Friday evenings.
This is the accident that happened over Staten Island NY. It was Miller Airfield. I was born in '71 in Huguenot. But I remember hearing many times about this tragedy. I would like you to know that they are not forgotten, almost 60 years later. They are commemorated, a placard & marker are in both Staten Island Miller Air Field and Park Slope Brooklyn, NY.
Thank you for dedicating this to the victims and their families.
Cuz they will NEVER FORGET THEM!
Marianne Lynn Latjow who?
Never should have happened. What gets me is that the TWA plane was warned about the presence of the other plane and yet they still collided. And how come the United plane wasn't warned?
Yea, seems they knew there was a jet approaching but never assumed it was the United flight breaking out of hold pattern.
This must be the Controller's fault, right?
They were BOTH warned, however neither flight crew were able to respond.
When someone's task-saturated, one of the first thing that goes is their hearing - i.e. if the TWA crew were focussing on some issue of their own it's possible none of them consciously heard the transmission.
dezz nutz It’s very hard to move a 20 ton aircraft going on 700
Miles per hour in mid air even 10 inches much less quickly get out of another aircraft way 200 yards it takes time to move it and swerve it the other direction... :(
My grandparents lived only blocks away from the church that got hit by one of these 2 planes. The pictures look like from a Hollywood movie. Heartbreaking to say the least.
As soon as the ATC suggested a shortcut, I knew it was the beginning of a catastrophe. Being keen to beat the clock is integral to achieving such a disaster.
Just for 11 miles SMH
Regardless of what anyone else thinks or there lack of understanding, you've taken a modern software emulator to visually display what couldn't be seen during the actual event on the news. I love watching these videos. It shows you do a lot of research and construction in the emulation to tell it. If only Microsoft had one for vehicles to tell land accidents with.
Thank you for uploading! Well done with the video, I have been hoping you’d do this for a long time. Probably one of the most famous, yet most oldest plane accidents. Thanks for uploading sir, I can’t wait for the next upload! 😁✈️
R.i.p to those who died 🙏
Not most famous... that was United DC-7 colliding with TWA Constellation over the Grand Canyon several years before that.
Tee Car Thanks, you are correct about that. Still quite a famous accident though! Rest In Peace to all those onboard the two planes
@@teecar9868 Correct you are! The Grand Canyon crash on June 30, 1956 is what abolished the Civil Aeronautics Administration (CAA) and created the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) after congressional hearings and passage of the Federal Aviation Act of 1958. The collision was at cruise altitude above the cloud deck under VFR between another TWA Lockheed Super Constellation and a United Boeing DC-7, both flying east out of LAX. There too all 128 aboard both planes died. It was the first air crash to claim over 100. Radio communications from the aircraft during the crash were recorded by the SFO and SLC Flight Service Station's. My uncle was the CAA Cedar City, UT FSS manager, but they didn't pass into his control after the Palm Springs, CA FSS (they were further south "off airways," and couldn't legally be directed by any air controllers). He transferred to Denver Stapleton that same year, 1956, where he was FAA's FSS manager for another 12 years when he died of an aggressive sarcoma he acquired from Nevada Test Site atomic bomb fallout while maintaining runways and antennas in the fallout 1950-56 in Cedar City. When questioned about the safety of working in fallout, the FAA administrators deferred to the experts in the AEC. His mother worked for Westinghouse assembling atomic bomb triggers at Sandia National Lab. He received awards from the CAA for establishing the policy of prioritized layered holding patterns when he was the Burbank, CA FSS manager in the late 1930's controlling LA Basin traffic. He trained at CAA controllers school San Antonio, TX in 1935. He was FSS manager at SLC before/during WW2 and at Yuma, AZ directly after WW2. Uncle Bob was a B-24 bombardier and is buried in Ft. Logan National Cemetery. There is a National Historic Landmark in the Grand Canyon to memorialize the air collision dead. The victims are buried in common caskets in 2 different pioneer cemeteries within the Park. That should tell you what they collected off the ground and in the trees.
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I already know how great this video is going to be,I have been watching you for months now and when I’m older I am going to become an airplane engenier. So watching you guys is a great expperience for me
I recall this accident very well. I was twelve years old at the time. Old enough to be in tune with world events.
I was not born yet, but my uncle worked near the site of the Brooklyn crash and told me about how horrible it was. They heard the crash and ran out to see what had happened. Can't imagine what seeing something like that must be like.
Very good video and excellent details. Lots of information. Thanks!
The video quality is amazing. One of the best aviation channel.
@@alandarrin not the best. this channel forgets facts often and has too many advertisements and I'd even go as far as to say unnecessary suspense. not the best.
My friend Gordon Deer put a blanket on the boy who survived the crash he was laying in a snowbank in front of Gordon's house. Lindsay Le Borgne
Nobody survived the crash you liar!
This is a very moving piece, published in The New York Times and written by William Baltz, “A Little Brother Remembers,” in which he writes about his older brother, Stephen. Eleven-year-old Stephen Baltz became the story in the wake of the crashes; he was the only person who was taken alive from the scenes of the crashes. Though badly burned, he clung to life for a day, then succumbed to his injuries. He died at Methodist Hospital, and a plaque there memorializes him. In that plaque is the change that he had in his pocket when the plane crashed. His parents left that change in a donation box at the hospital.
Nina Wright
You are liar too!
Nina Wright
Lol. You see, read my first comment it is true. :)
@@leftR-tardation URA dumb fuck.
Imaging binge watching this channel while on a flight.
I remember watching this on the news as a kid.
Excellent video, really sets the picture of how these two planes came together in a way that even Robert Serling's excellent rendition in "The Probable Cause" cannot. This was, in fact, the accident that resulted in the current 250 knot below 10,000 feet speed limit. In 1960, jets often climbed, cruised and descended at the red line airspeed, which was probably close to 350 knots indicated in the DC-8 and just a bit faster in the 707. Fuel cost around 10 cents per gallon back then, and speed was king. The transcontinental schedules were nearly an hour shorter in each direction in 1960 than they are today.
But screaming into a terminal area at over 300 knots indicated ( and more like 450 knots over the ground, given the difference between indicated airspeed and true airspeed) was not then nor is it today a good idea in a place like the NY area. Nor was/is failing to report to ATC the failure of one of the main navigation radios. Such a report is required today, and if it was not required then perhaps that is another regulation that grew out of this accident...
Anthony Vallillo The 250 Knots below 10,000 was not changed until 1967 after some other midairs.
All I know is being a pilot for 32 years it has gotten so much safer with all the technology. When I was growing up in the 60s and 70s it was very common to see at least 3 or 4 major crashes a year
Anthony Vallillo thank you for your comment. You have provided some insight which helps to better understand the causes of this occurrence. As excellent and detailed as TFC is, one cannot expect TFC to know or share ALL significant facts with these occurrences. I knew there had to be a little more to this picture...
Watched a documentary about this on one of the discovery channels and this is as good if not better in its format and description
First, I learned about the collision over the ground canyon and then I learned about this incident on the Weather Channel’s “Why Planes Crash”, where the collision took place over NYC. Both collisions, especially this one immediately took my interest. Thank you for this upload. Very informative.
Basickly East vs West in plane crashes tragedys
West on summer 1956 June 30th
East on Winter 1960 December 16
2 biggest tragedys
A sad mix of pilot error, ATC error, and technology failure. Not to mention how unlucky it must be to have a collision with another aircraft with soo much of the air to yourself. A truly perfect storm. RIP
One little boy from United 826 survived the crash but died in the hospital ,hours later from his injuries. Life magazine did a story about the crash with quite a few photos. I was 10 years old and still remember how shocked and sad I was reading about it so much so that for months after I experienced nightmares.
Falmouth MA?
Another better-than-fantastic video! I love how you use powerful music to convey emotion throughout your videos!
Very interesting video. I lived in Staten Island in 1960 and recall this vividly. Something to add. There was a total of 134 people killed from the crash, those on the two planes as well as six on the ground. There was one little boy that survived the crash, but unfortunately passed away a day later.
I did see the pieces scatted at Miller field a day or so later as we had friends that lived right next to it. I’ll never forget that sight.
Now here I am, all theses years later, a retired corporate pilot as well as Airframe and Power-plant mech. I so glad that crash didn’t turn me away from flying and aviation.
God Bless You And Your Family
Remember both airlines had a mid-air collision over the Grand Canyon in July 1956 & that time it was the fault of TWA rather than United in 1960 !!!!!
I love how detailed your video is.not too long nor too short and the fact that u also put up the solutions after each post mortem of each crash ,and what they gonna do in the future to prevent such thing from happening again is great and very informative.goodjob u are my favourite channel now
I was 8 years old living in queens and remember when it happened. RIP
Me too. 8 years old in Middle Village, Queens. I can still see the headline on the Daily News.
I was 10 years old living in Brooklyn was in Catholic school and the nuns were scaring us children by telling us that it could happen to us and we would die for our sins...we are 10 what kind of sins would a 10 year old have .Those nuns at Catholic schools were crazy.
@@lenzotrumpet that wyld. Paranoid fools.
@Dr. Buster Cheeks, Vaccinologist Stanford Nope.
Strange, really strange.... The first aviation accident that included passenger planes, was a mid air collision between a United and a TWA plane, above Grand Canyon in 1958.
And then this?
These 2 airlines are always used to collide to each other!!
Not true!
There were several others.
For example, an Eastern DC-4 over Washington National Airport colliding with a Bolivian doo
@@stuartlee6622 I have forgotten about this comment and i wasn't expecting a reply after 2 years but OK, thanks for pointing out 👍XD
...I was in kindergarten and one of my classmates brought a piece of aluminum from the United aircraft to school for 'show and tell", his father was a NYC firefighter...
stop with the bs
You should probably shut your mouth Ray.... but I'm sure you've been told that many times before.
@@Vfh........y ...what's your fucking problem, I added a personal anecdote from the time of the midair collision that was mildly interesting...how many times have you seen plane wreckage as part of a classroom show and tell?
that's powerful and I do believe you but there are ALOT of liars in the comment sections of these videos. so I can see why someone would leave that first comment up there. ^ you can't deny that people do lie a lot. again your story is true.
Well, that's a *BLATANT. LIE* since it's a CRIME to tamper with wreckage evidence.
And no, firefighters are not excluded from the law, folks. Infact, they would _definitely_ know removing wreckage is illegal.
My only wish was that all 128 souls were taken to heaven quickly and without suffering
AMEN
there was a 11-year old boy who initially survived the crash, however he was badly burned and inhaled a lot of smoke. he died 1 day later of pneumonia
If you are Catholic & believe the teachings of the church for the past 1600 years that would mean that you accept the fact that all 128 souls are probably still suffering in the burning fire of Purgatory for their sins! Either that or the eternal fires of Hell. As I say though that is if you accept and support the teachings of the Catholic church? Obviously a 'false religion!
anotherview The Catholic Church was the only moral guidance the West had for 1500 years, and the Reformation was not an improvement. It’s too easy to take potshots at such a colossal, ancient institution. It saved the indigenous of the New World, btw, which ain’t bad for such a difficult species--we human beings. ((Raised Anglican))
You know you are falling, but you do not feel the impact.
It's amazing that no one on the ground was injured or killed as well
Yeah sorry I didn’t realize that through the video as it wasn’t mentioned, or I didn’t catch it in the video. The saddest part of a tragedy like this is the innocent being in the wrong place and the aftermath that their families must endure.
the flight channel sometimes leaves out big things that happen with these crashes unfortunately. if this was an Alec video there'd be no confusion.
@Chas Maravel It was indeed fortunate that it occurred when it did. Most of the kids were at school, most of the men were working and many of the women were shopping. It was a cold day, and not many were out and about on that street. Busy Flatbush Avenue was a block away. It would have been a much worse disaster had the plane crashed there.
@Chas Maravel That caretaker was a 91 year old African-American man. He was born just a few years after the Civil war, lived through Reconstruction and the Jim Crow era, only to die in a Brooklyn church due to a plane crash.
News reports say 6 killed on the ground.
The definitive depiction of this particular accident....... kudos to the Flight Channel!!
Aside from the dreadful tragedy and loss of life, these two planes look like they weren’t meant to be flying in the same time period. The DC-8 appears at least superficially to be like any modern jet airliner from 2020. The super constellation in comparison, although to me beautifully designed, looks positively antiquated with its prop engines.