London Rail Improvements: 1980's Networkers
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ก.ย. 2024
- This video see's plans for improvement to London rails by removing old trains and replacing them with 400 new networkers for the SouthEast sector.
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30 years old today and still holding their ground in reliability, and them traction motor sounds never get old
At least the seats where better on the old units
Glad they built networkers, or I'd never have rode the 465s ever.
"The new 12 coach trains". Only came to fruition in the late 2010s!!!
Depressing interiors??? I'm sure the seats looked much more homely than the ones on the trains we have today.
The best thing with the Networkers is
EVERYTHING!!!
Agreed.
Well the Metro Cammell ones are good but I can't really say the same for the BREL/ABB ones, they have slower acceleration and we had to wave goodbye to the classic brush traction noise because of it being unreliable, but there's something bad about both variants, 3+2 seating, no tables to put your laptop and hot coffee on, they don't run well in rain and they are often covered in graffiti, although I can't really blame the trains themselves for graffiti
The dustybins are Pepsi cans now sadly
A young John Prescott
Not much has changed this is still realy relevant
Depressing interiors?
Wow that's harsh.
1:15 That looks like the guy that is on the program about how the HST saved britain's railways on channel 5
Chris Green NSE MD. Top man and a supporter of the railways rather than someone who wants to sponge every last penny out of it.
They spelt Herne Hill wrong!
Lol 😂😈
They were nice old characterful electrics. Love the old English Electric 507 motors singing. They were reliable too, around 100,000 miles run per failure. Worked on them for years. A good clean, a little TLC, and they'd keep going. Now, if it snows, forget about trains. The plastic ElectroFarce sets just konk out. A plan was made to rebuild the old stock with new bodies, this was to be the way to go, and would've worked well. Sadly the only car converted to this new "Networker Classic" type was unceremoniously scrapped a short while back. Oddly, the same, ( foreign owned of course ) firm was offering the ElectroFarces for FOUR TIMES the cost of the Classics. Brown envelopes changed hands methinks during the Connex time. On the line I was on via Tunbridge Wells, most commuters voted CONservative. The ultra expensive pile of crap today's surely what they wanted then ? Serves them right. Glad I'm retired and no longer merely pretending to run a "service" .British firms no longer make any trains. All sold off by Thatcher and Major to foreigners like just about anything else they could get their greedy paws on.
You are quite strange. The term 'rose-tinted glasses' is a very good way of describing you.
RIP River Huntingdon
@@PottersVideos2 he’s dead? rip but last sentence sounded a bit racist
actually I take back the rip
@@rabd9881 I think he worded it very badly but it's not exactly racist to say it's a bad idea to sell all of your rail infrastructure manufacturing companies to overseas firms who then shut them down at the cost of tens of thousands of jobs.
At the end of the day, a train set manufactured in the UK cost 60% of the exact same set made in mainland Europe. This was born out back in the early 2000's with the class 390 sets. When each set costs more than £30 million, that's a lot of extra cost.
If Germany closed down their manufacturing sites, there would be outrage from government and the public. Same in France, Japan and Italy. We just held our breath and did it. Now we can't manufacture them ourselves as private industry isn't really bothered if we lose the capability.
These Trains Are Great 👍
My friends Aaron and Stephen liked the old slam door trains.
I just loved those slam door trains.
The networkers are now as dirty and as old as the slam doors they replaced thirty years ago
They haven't really had a decent refurbishment unlike the 375 did a few years ago when they went blue
I loved those old trains. They were dirty, bumpy and often crowded, but they had character.
Pretty sure I remember travelling on classic old trains like that when Connex was running the franchise.
Ah, Connex. They couldn't run a bath, let alone a train company.
I couldn't tell who was worse Connex or Last Crapital Disconnect
Sorry those interes were NOT depressing they had character yes they had to go but I so miss them.
The old trains have so much more character.
And now after 30 years they are now planning the future for the next fleet
EPB = Every Passenger Bounces
shame the networker programme didn't really come to fruition.
???? The Networkers are now about 30 years old, they've been in operation across Kent since 1987!
Darren Gomes the first ones entered service in 1991/1992 most entered proper service a year later as they were very unreliable once first introduced. The network turbos on Thames and chiltern were built from 1990-1993 and the prototypes were built from 1989. As for the networker programme it was never finished due to the recession and impending privatisation of br. Some examples include the old class 171 based on the 165, class 371 and 381 for thameslink. Class 471 to replace the rest of the slammers on the southern region a 442 lookalike. As for the 319s they were built in and around 1987 but they are not considered networkers.
no because the networkers diden't enter service until 1992
Yes but you likely would have seen trains like 365s and 465s in more places in the uk rather than just kent, If the project wasnt stopped
@@bb-3653The Networkers Weren't Just In Kent They're Were In Other Parts of The Country Including The Great Northern Routes Out of London Kings Cross Also They Made a Visit To Scotland at One Point The Networker Family of Trains Would Also Come To The Chiltern Mainline Out of London Marylebone And The Thames Valley Commuter Line's Out of London Paddington The Reading To Basingstoke Shuttle and The North Down Line's Too
remember slamming the doors on that route travelling on those trains in the report all the way to the new thameslink units of now
Herne Hill - with an ‘e’
Southeastern still using them.
Because they are rather reliable and helps out the 375s and 376s (referring to the 465/9)
Some networkers are now being put in store. They have never been ran as a 12 car in service
They have
why does that weird clock thingy show on the beginning
Hey guys I found the Gen Z'er!
it's straight from the studio tape. that's why the video quality is so good. when broadcast, the channel ident was shown until the "wierd clock thingy" went away
Lol, 🤪😂😈
And the price still hasn't come down and service isn't better!
They should ditch franchises and contract them out instead. The only reason British Rail was still in existence until 2001 was because a lot of the lines were contracted to begin with and managed and regulated by the British Rail board of directors. However once a majority of the lines were franchised instead there was no longer any need for them and they finally dissolved. One thing I will say as a railworker myself is at least these old trains were more reliable and less prone to breakdowns than the showers of shit that replaced them. I think the only ones from the networker family that have been solid workhorses are the turbos (165/166). You could probably run one of those all the way from London to Penzance in Cornwall and they would still make it there and back in one piece.
If only they given network southeast (or kept it nationalised) more time, then it would've all have been done but thanks to John major the menace we have foreign plastic that lacks decent, spacious seats.
They're the trains that currently operate across Kent since 1987, the programme was completed before privatisation!
the old trains have a lot more doors, were dwell times faster or slower than now?
The doors were thinner though and I think, may be incorrect, in between seats this would slow down dwell times if the train was crowded.
@@PeteS_1994: I’d also argue that having power doors means that people can’t leave them open, though not sure how much that helped. You wouldn’t be able to get away with that nowadays though!
Yeah i haven’t researched. I don’t think dwell times are faster but are probably safer. And the newer trains have better brakes and faster acceleration. I would argue that that would make up for slower dwell times.
I'm pretty sure the networkers today are in a worse state than the EPBs were in at that time.
Network Southeast is better than Southeastern, Southern, Thameslink and South West Trains
And turned a profit the year leading up to privatisation.
Yeah and in Switzerland, Hong Kong Japan, Germany and France high speed travel and punctuality were the in thing with decent signalling systems and infrastructure that can withstand weather. The Germans call English, island folk, island mentality
There are some of those trains i think they are in South Eastern Mainline Trains
Networkers?, yeah ride them all the time, lovely trains they are
Actually, no longer the mainline trains. Replaced by 375s, now work with the 376s on Metro routes.
@@aldertravels and 377/5s
@@thefatcontroller4094 oh yeah
oh suddenly i doesnt need my right ear
Per Martinsen mono broadcast
What date is this?
Date can be found in the VT data: 31st August 1989.
Bring back Epbd
Networkers were introduced in the 90s...........1992 to be exact not the 80s. Misleading video title.
Class 165's were in service from 1991
Cool story?.....465s were introduced on December 1st 1992.
Thus not in the 80s, so my main point still stands.
I think they mean the networkers were dreamt up in the 80s so by the time they were all built and would need testing and usual British Rails fannying about it would be the 90s..first time I ever saw one was at Chatham station in 93.
Stupid Nintendo advert ruining the amazing video