When Perrin and Egwene are separated from the rest of the squad in EOTW Perrin reflects "in stories leaders rarely flinched and were never bullied, but he reflecred they never had to deal with Egwene either." Foreshadows her bring Amyrlin bullying kings and queens.
One of the foreshadowing sections I enjoy in EotW occurs in “Winternight” chapter 5. The relevant quotes are about Tam’s heron-mark blade: (1) It seemed almost fragile compared with the swords of the merchants’ guards; (2) Reflected fire made the blade seem aflame. (3) For a long minute [Tam] stared at the sword as if wondering what he was doing with such a thing. The power-wrought sword is nigh invincible (1), except for when it *burns* to a stump during the fight with the guy with *flames* (2) in his eyes. These sentences prepare us to later see Rand with a literal sword of flame (2) and for the most important sword in the entire series to reveal a manufacturing flaw, a weakness (1) that other crystal swords made during the War of Power did not have. And, of course, the last observation points directly to fate or destiny working against the will or understanding (3), underscores that Tam has the heron-mark sword simply because the Wheel Weaves-Rand will need it-and Tam is the vehicle through which the heron-mark gets to Rand.
@@TheDustyWheel I couldn’t believe it when I reread after book 3 (I reread them all before TSR came out), and I noticed that the method and culprit of the sword’s destruction were foreshadowed here. When we see a literal sword of flame (!!) and find out what’s up with Callandor (!!), this passage kept on giving. It took some time to pick up on the third point, which is amusing because Moiraine almost immediately emphasizes that The Wheel Weaves as soon as Rand meets back up with her. We just aren’t accustomed to exploring free will as an idea until we’re whacked over the heads multiple times regarding Destiny. Suddenly, it just struck out at me on reread that Tam’s entire experience outside the Two Rivers was for the purpose of collecting the heronmark blade, falling in love with a red haired woman (providing cover), picking up the Dragon Reborn, and raising him to be a good man away from politics and war-pride.
Another foreshadowing is when Lord Agelmar begs Lan to let the Golden Crane fly again. He describes the boost in morale, the thousands who would join and how all the borderlands would come and save Shienar, etc.
The quote from Perrin to Tom about not being creatures of his stories. The last sentence "I am Perrin Aybara". You can expand this to " I am Perrin Aybara. Not Young Bull." A very subtle nod to that duality and struggle, and resolution.
Great show, lots of fun. Would love to more! It would be nice if you could remind us of the context of the quotes for those of us who don't have as good of memories. Listening to Shiane was painful though--she did have good input but takes too long to get to her point and can't finish a sentence without saying "like". Many times I wasn't even sure what she was saying until Matt did recap. Nevertheless, really enjoyed the show overall!
I think, for many whether they realize it or not, is the sense of involvement and interaction the foreshadowing gives the reader, and the geek out that happens the few times I actually figure something out.
This is a spoiler. The entire story of The Wheel of Time is foreshadowed in chapter 9 of TEOTW. Rands dream tell us the whole story, not in details but as an outline.
When one of the guest shows her tiny notes and says no one can decipher it/or read it unless they want to try. Then a few months later The In Keeper, Mat, deciphers a couple of scripts use in some teasers. Is RJ’s still working his foreshadowing magic in our reality???????
Oh, I want more! I'm so disappointed that all new content seems to be based on the show. I started my reread because after seeing the tv adaptation I wanted to get back to the turning of the wheel that made me fall in love with the world: the books.
"One doom and a doom yet to come", is about Seanchan and Semirhage taking the West of Randland, while Shara and Demandred take the East of Randland. Ishamael was planning to take out the Light for the Last Battle, and this was what he was setting up when he sent those two fleets in those directions.
I love that one, Dale, because it is so persistent, and he certainly leads it down the road to nowhere. This needs to be top in any red herring conversation.
@@TheDustyWheel Hi Matt & crew! I also seem to remember someone saying that the forgotten song was the one Rand was humming under his breath when he convinced Fortuona to aid in the last battle. If so, Jordan may have intended to put something about it in the book with Mat and Tuon he had planned. (next added in edit) If Rand, in his new body taught it to some Tuatha'an, they could have become true Aiel again and this would have seriously impacted the 4th age. I also think the Mat and Tuon book is where we would have heard about the conversation Tuon had with Hawkwing. I think he would have told her that his hatred of channelers was wrong and was a result of being brainwashed by Ishamael. Besides, I couldn't see Mat accepting slavery, and that may have been the reason he asked Hawkwing to speak with her. I think she would also be impressed that he does so at Mat's request.
spoilers, duh Yup, keep moving... Book14 spoilers. Gawyn's 'Mock Oath' is pretty much the opposite of exactly whart he'll do for the entire series. So pretty much the first words out of his mouth are a lie mirroring Galad who never lies.
@@kght222 On Dragon Mount Rand was born from a aiel woman That would make the aiel the people of the dragon. Please forgive me if I’m stating the obvious. Took me a while to figure it out.
@@dalehenrickson6243 it wasn't his mother who was aiel, she was a maiden though, his father was aiel. and how are you trying to use that thought? i was talking about "the people of the dragon" from the kareathon cycle, and how someshta mentions thinking that rand is a child of the dragon or some such in the eye of the world, while moiraine is there, and she is surprised in the dragon reborn that the aiel are the people of the dragon.
@@kght222 father (thx for correcting me) or mother being aiel is the point. Moiraine Was surprised. Because the concept of the dragon reborn being associated with savages. Never occurred to her.
starts at 2:01
Understatement of the Third age.
"Battles interest me". - Matrim Cauthon
Truth
"as for dreams, maybe it's your idea of a dream but I never thought it was mine" - Min, to Rand in Baerlon
This made me smile on reread
When Perrin and Egwene are separated from the rest of the squad in EOTW Perrin reflects "in stories leaders rarely flinched and were never bullied, but he reflecred they never had to deal with Egwene either." Foreshadows her bring Amyrlin bullying kings and queens.
So much foreshadowing. It's more like fiveshadowing.
One of the foreshadowing sections I enjoy in EotW occurs in “Winternight” chapter 5.
The relevant quotes are about Tam’s heron-mark blade:
(1) It seemed almost fragile compared with the swords of the merchants’ guards;
(2) Reflected fire made the blade seem aflame.
(3) For a long minute [Tam] stared at the sword as if wondering what he was doing with such a thing.
The power-wrought sword is nigh invincible (1), except for when it *burns* to a stump during the fight with the guy with *flames* (2) in his eyes. These sentences prepare us to later see Rand with a literal sword of flame (2) and for the most important sword in the entire series to reveal a manufacturing flaw, a weakness (1) that other crystal swords made during the War of Power did not have. And, of course, the last observation points directly to fate or destiny working against the will or understanding (3), underscores that Tam has the heron-mark sword simply because the Wheel Weaves-Rand will need it-and Tam is the vehicle through which the heron-mark gets to Rand.
Great insights into sword foreshadowing. Thanks for sharing this, Gray U!
@@TheDustyWheel I couldn’t believe it when I reread after book 3 (I reread them all before TSR came out), and I noticed that the method and culprit of the sword’s destruction were foreshadowed here. When we see a literal sword of flame (!!) and find out what’s up with Callandor (!!), this passage kept on giving. It took some time to pick up on the third point, which is amusing because Moiraine almost immediately emphasizes that The Wheel Weaves as soon as Rand meets back up with her. We just aren’t accustomed to exploring free will as an idea until we’re whacked over the heads multiple times regarding Destiny. Suddenly, it just struck out at me on reread that Tam’s entire experience outside the Two Rivers was for the purpose of collecting the heronmark blade, falling in love with a red haired woman (providing cover), picking up the Dragon Reborn, and raising him to be a good man away from politics and war-pride.
Another foreshadowing is when Lord Agelmar begs Lan to let the Golden Crane fly again. He describes the boost in morale, the thousands who would join and how all the borderlands would come and save Shienar, etc.
The quote from Perrin to Tom about not being creatures of his stories. The last sentence "I am Perrin Aybara". You can expand this to " I am Perrin Aybara. Not Young Bull." A very subtle nod to that duality and struggle, and resolution.
Nice! That definitely belongs in there.
Absolutely make a red herring video!!!
We’ll do it!
Taim herring
@@jamesphillips7885 - Yes!!
Great show, lots of fun. Would love to more! It would be nice if you could remind us of the context of the quotes for those of us who don't have as good of memories.
Listening to Shiane was painful though--she did have good input but takes too long to get to her point and can't finish a sentence without saying "like". Many times I wasn't even sure what she was saying until Matt did recap.
Nevertheless, really enjoyed the show overall!
I think, for many whether they realize it or not, is the sense of involvement and interaction the foreshadowing gives the reader, and the geek out that happens the few times I actually figure something out.
Seeing this so late, don't know if it counts, but this was a really fun topic and more would be welcome ♥️
Thanks, Inka! We'll be doing this for TGH, either at the end of March, or in early May.
This is a spoiler.
The entire story of The Wheel of Time is foreshadowed in chapter 9 of TEOTW. Rands dream tell us the whole story, not in details but as an outline.
When one of the guest shows her tiny notes and says no one can decipher it/or read it unless they want to try. Then a few months later The In Keeper, Mat, deciphers a couple of scripts use in some teasers. Is RJ’s still working his foreshadowing magic in our reality???????
@12:12 "The things he does and the things he's says are often..." at odds.
Get it? Odds?
Yo, who made the music for the intro, and do they have more. Its phenomenal
I believe Androl the bard! He is from Sweden
Oh, I want more! I'm so disappointed that all new content seems to be based on the show. I started my reread because after seeing the tv adaptation I wanted to get back to the turning of the wheel that made me fall in love with the world: the books.
"One doom and a doom yet to come", is about Seanchan and Semirhage taking the West of Randland, while Shara and Demandred take the East of Randland.
Ishamael was planning to take out the Light for the Last Battle, and this was what he was setting up when he sent those two fleets in those directions.
As far as the false trails/red herrings... how many times does RJ tell us that trying to understand Foretellings is a fools errand?
Where is the Link to the imdb poll??
WOT is number two!
@@cilviagarcia2181 yes, found it! Thanks!
The false trail of a forgotten song. That was never rediscovered
I love that one, Dale, because it is so persistent, and he certainly leads it down the road to nowhere. This needs to be top in any red herring conversation.
@@TheDustyWheel Hi Matt & crew! I also seem to remember someone saying that the forgotten song was the one Rand was humming under his breath when he convinced Fortuona to aid in the last battle. If so, Jordan may have intended to put something about it in the book with Mat and Tuon he had planned. (next added in edit) If Rand, in his new body taught it to some Tuatha'an, they could have become true Aiel again and this would have seriously impacted the 4th age.
I also think the Mat and Tuon book is where we would have heard about the conversation Tuon had with Hawkwing. I think he would have told her that his hatred of channelers was wrong and was a result of being brainwashed by Ishamael. Besides, I couldn't see Mat accepting slavery, and that may have been the reason he asked Hawkwing to speak with her. I think she would also be impressed that he does so at Mat's request.
Agree with Haplo Zetic, the song is the song that Rand is humming.
@@johanlarsson9805 It could work but it’s very weak plot line
this is so crucial to me, and it ties into the belief of the prophecies that also turns out to be a detour for Rand to discover his true potential.
spoilers, duh
Yup, keep moving... Book14 spoilers.
Gawyn's 'Mock Oath' is pretty much the opposite of exactly whart he'll do for the entire series. So pretty much the first words out of his mouth are a lie mirroring Galad who never lies.
someshta reveals that the aiel are the people of the dragon. took me a long time to notice that.
His mother is Aiel
@@dalehenrickson6243 ?
@@kght222 On Dragon Mount Rand was born from a aiel woman That would make the aiel the people of the dragon. Please forgive me if I’m stating the obvious. Took me a while to figure it out.
@@dalehenrickson6243 it wasn't his mother who was aiel, she was a maiden though, his father was aiel. and how are you trying to use that thought? i was talking about "the people of the dragon" from the kareathon cycle, and how someshta mentions thinking that rand is a child of the dragon or some such in the eye of the world, while moiraine is there, and she is surprised in the dragon reborn that the aiel are the people of the dragon.
@@kght222 father (thx for correcting me) or mother being aiel is the point. Moiraine Was surprised. Because the concept of the dragon reborn being associated with savages. Never occurred to her.
I thought the doom yet to come was the Damane cause it never would have happen with out the Emperor Hawking
The Damane being the doom to come is a good interpretation. And, it still works for the 4th Age, too, as a layer.
What is this, Wheel of stormlight?? I LOVE IT XD