I member Ehen Jay had nin grey hair Stress really did an nunber in the poor guy bis hair changed over the course of a single month or so Luckly the grey Fox style suite him very well imo ^^
@Skippy R same here, been using the same pc speaker for the last 3 or 4 builds now. I just keep moving it over to my new mobo cause they dont come with them anymore.
Just a few days ago I bought a dozen speakers on Amazon. They're calling it now "pc buzzer" because a search for "pc speaker" returns regular loud speakers. 🙄
I still use the system speaker to diagnose boot issues on my home server. I guess they still put speakers on server motherboards because they are (as in my case) run headless.
I'll never forget the dread of hearing those beeps from that little mobo speaker. I will also forever remain indebted to that one friend we had, you could mouth off a beep code to him over the phone and he'd tell you to test your RAM sticks, or that your GPU was fried, etc.
I didn't know motherboards talk to CPUs/GPUs like that, sounds like how my manager talks - Have you completed the work 'Yeah' Can I have it 'Yeah' Where is it - 'Yeah'
1:35 Diagnostic Indicator 5:04 Clear CMOS Button 6:55 Surface-Mounted Buttons e.g. Power 8:18 BIOS Recovery 10:36 Extra Fan Connectors 11:36 GPU - High Power Limits 12:01 GPU - Multiple Fan Connectors/Controls 12:22 GPU - 0dB Fan Mode 12:52 GPU - Redundant/Dual BIOS 13:46 SATA OS SSD 15:40 PSU - Modular Cabling 16:37 PSU - 0dB Fan Mode Out of all of these, the one that has made the most difference for me is the SATA SSDs. I can work around or live with any of the rest for my power-user-but-not-extreme-OC-user use case. For that matter, I can't remember the last time I had to physically look at a motherboard post code display since my last several systems have all had auto-fall-back for flash or boot errors.
Thank you! I agree about SSDs. I still use hard drives a lot for bulk storage, but hate running programs from them, because it takes so much longer to load. HDDs are fine for music and videos, Portable Document Files and most other documents (spreadsheets can be an exception in some cases).
Idd SDD are must have period! The rest is nice to have but that's it. Once you put everything in your PC and it works. It is fine. No modular PSU? Just stuff them behind the motherboard. Not enough fun headers? Put a controller behind your motherboard. I never ever used my bios counter screen thingy. If it doesn't boot I just remove all ram except one and check if all cables are connected try again. If it works put back ram back one at a time and we are of to the races. I never encountered a CPU problem during BIOS boot. Once I had a DOA motherboard which I send back and got a new one.
Last build used nVME for boot and most programs installed, SATA for game installs and some data, HDD for media storage The nVME boot allowed me to consider shutting the thing down overnight, or at the very least not dread windows updates forced restarts
@@ChildOfTheWilderness As did I until a pile of parts I bought from a guy had an Asrock Z77 Extreme 4 motherboard in it to mount my 3770 into - the Z77 X4 has a dual 7-Segment LED display for doing POST diagnostics, and it's the first Mobo I've ever had with anything more than a speaker. Up until last summer I was running an i7-870 on an Intel DH55TC motherboard, and before that it was some sort of Athlon 64 processor, probably a 667MHz or something - it was over a decade ago, so my memory is a bit fuzzy. My first PC I could call "mine" was a 486 SX-25 and between that one and this one I've only had maybe 4 or 5 major upgrades, so piezoelectric motherboard speakers are still "normal" to me.
My must-have feature is that the graphics card must physically exist on the material plane of our universe. Getting harder and harder to find these days.
That wasnt even a "bad" diagnostic if implemented well. You had different Beep-Codes for different Errors (like, 5 fast beeps would be RAM-Error, 3 Slow beeps would be GPU-Error).
@@MytronixOfficial 1 long beep folowed by 8 short beeps would be parity error, 1 long 7 short would be read error and 2 long 9 short would be cpu error. i've seen error codes with up to 12 short beeps. manufacturers be like you better start counting fast because this ain't waiting for you, and it went fast lol
The case I bought recently doesn't even have a speaker. Gotta be honest, I missed the satisfying *beep* when I first fired up the computer after building it. :(
@G Bogart yeah. The pins are still available on most motherboards. I remember I added a motherboard speaker to my old P8Z77-V board because I had no way of diagnosing one time as to why it wasn't even posting and it didn't have an LED code read out. And my current ASUS hero 8 has the pin outs too, though with the LED code read out I no longer need the speaker.
@@rafasoaresms I stopped seeing speakers in new cases well over a decade ago! =:oo What I always thought should have replaced the single-function "beep speaker" is a pair of little speakers mounted in one of the 5.25" drive bays, connected to the soundcard, so that you wouldn't have to have external speakers connected just to hear the Windows start up chimes, or play a CD while you're hacking code, or hear the sound effects from Space Invaders or Pong or whatever it is you kids play these days. =:o] And mount them in a removable tray, so that if you have external speakers and actually want an extra DVD drive or whatever instead, you can swap it out. Nowadays, even the 5.25 drive bays a themselves are disappearing off cases. =:o(
Back in the good old days the mobo came with a PC speaker, and you got POST beeps and POST error beep codes. The best thing was that for a long time these beep codes were standardized.
The worst thing was hearing ...beep...beep...beep...beep...beep...beep...beep...beep...beep...beep...beep...beep...beep...beep...beep...beep...beep...beep...beep...beep...beep...beep...beep...beep...beep...beep...beep...beep...beep...beep...beep...beep...beep...beep...beep...beep...beep...beep...beep...beep That was always a bad sign.
And sadly that was the last time I've built a PC from scratch. Doing first modern build now and need to watch all these vids to figure out what's going on.
@@fridaycaliforniaa236 Many mobos come with a tiny speaker that attaches to the speaker header on the mobo. I've opened a number of mobo boxes that just didn't have the speaker in the box. Also a lot of pre-builds don't have internal speakers.
I like to remind the kids that CRTs had response times measured in the nanoseconds not milliseconds, and the blacks were always black. I hope someone resurrects SED/FED (flat CRT) display technology, it had amazing potential for insanely high resolutions that make 8K look like a flip phone.
Tip for the newer people. When flashing a bios make sure you check the revision of the motherboard. Normally at the top of the manufacturers site it will have something like 1.0 and 1.1 and you can switch between the two. You need the bios for the correct revision. Normally the revision of the motherboard is printed on the PCB.
And that's especially annoying when the Manufacturer discovers a huge design flaw in a revision and tries to shove that under the carpet by releasing a new revision and stopping support for yours....
@@NiC707 ASRock.... I have an immediate example: the b450 Pro4. The 1.0 release only has a small bios chip so if You have one of them and a 1st or 2nd gen ryzen you can basically forget upgrading to the latest bios/agesa
@@kayburcky7146 Oh that's unfortunate. Yeah it's been a while since I worked on an Asrock board. That being said, both R2.0 and non specified R (presumingly 1.0?) versions of B450 Pro 4 supports the latest Agesa update 1.2.0.0. Have you checked their site?
I've recently dismantled an old Pentium 4 powered PC that had IDE drives installed. All the HDD's and ODD's required jumpers. I do not miss those huge, not very flexible cables.
@@elitespoon IDE just ignores Cable select !!! Only if you remove all the Master / Slave Jumpers, some IDE drives still see the cable select on 28 pin cables. Or did you meant SCSI I or ESDI ?
Look yes its true, ssd's are better than hdd's and nowadays cheaper too, but for data hoarders like me 500gb for 50 bucks seems like a big no. id rather wait for it to load for a few minutes but have a shitload of space, rather than just have to squeeze and optimize my data every minute.
@@necrobynerton7384 Totally! If you need lots of storage it's still more affordable to go with HDD. I was purely thinking for the main storage that the OS runs from. :)
@@pallenda yea for that an ssd is fast. I have a laptop that has one, i did yank it and use it on my desktop for some time, and sure enough, it was incredibly fast, but ultimately decided to leave it to my laptop since, i don't use it a whole lot anyways and 180GB for os didn't cut it for me on my main system.
I am supposed to do this (BIOS FLASH with just power supply, mobo, and flash drive) and I'm worried I'll brick my mobo. That's $299+ I don't wanna spend again plus it took me two months to get the Unify board in. That and several vids on the subject stated that at least one of the top 8 pin connectors has to be plugged in also. Now I'm confused again.
@@ChrisMartinScruffy I said it in an earlier comment but I've done that today. Aorus Pro X570, it's terrifying but you just need an usb drive formated on FAT32 and to rename the bios file under the right name (ex: gigabyte.bin for Aorus/Gigabyte, MSI.rom for MSI, creative.rom for AsRock, ASUS has its own auto renamer program for that). Push the button 5 seconds, let the MB do the work, watch the led tingling and wait for ~5 min. It's the same with other brands, just read the manual to be sure and don't hesitate to watch a video here or on another channel. It's not "hard" but I understand that even with experience, even a lot, flashing is always a tough moment. Godspeed mate!
One of my favorite features is a motherboard that comes with a short-cut "brick" for the power button, reset switch, hdd, lights, etc. Plug them all into the labeled brick and slap the little brick right onto the pins. Makes life a little easier.
I love those. Nothing quite as annoying as trying to reach down into a poorly lit, crowded case and trying to match the microscopic print on the mobo and wires and then smashing your knuckles while trying to coax the connections into the correct position.
The 1 button idea for all of this like a header pin to connect a this, is the 1 thing that when they solve all that, changes the game for pc motherboards. Simple thing, and maybe then can be a software controlled solution that when urged into the case can detect where amd how many different buttons / usb inputs there are.
Features like this have come a long way since I was in tech training back in the early 2000s. Having the Motherboard tell you whats wrong or what isn't working correctly is a HUGE time saver in trouble shooting.
I just like having a case that doesn't have unfinished sharp metal edges inside (or outside of course). It's nice being able to work in it without bleeding all over it.
You made me look at my scar on my thumb I got because of one of those "Chinese Knifes". Happened at work - I don't buy such cheap crap personally. Totally underrated comment.
The one thing I can think of off hand is a case with removable dust filters. There are still some cheap cases out there without them. Sadly, one of the most overlooked things in a build is the case, especially with the school bus sized GPUs now, having a case that will fit it is an absolute MUST. "Oh, this looks pretty cool" hasn't really worked since the beigebox days.
Generic magnetic dust filters are a godsend, and so are PCI mesh covers. Really helps to vent GPU heat out the back. Probably include PCI bracket mounting USB ports, I seem to never have enough ports...
My case has the 3 fans upfront with a glass panel that's open on the sides, so the center is blocked but the sides allow air flow. Then there's the fan in the back, but it has a vent ontop with the same style glass panel above it. Also has glass panel doors on the sides.
I see your post is from 9 months ago, and I know this is off topic, but your talk about cases got me going. I don't understand why there aren't a couple case designs available out there like cases from the mid to late 2000's with 5+ 5-1/4 bays to be able to add these hot swap cages and really expand storage reusing old equipment as servers. Makes me so happy that I saved this one Cooler Master case from around 2008-9.
I had a case in which I basically lost two GPUs (The second one I bought an after market cooler) because the airflow in the case I was using sucked. This was back in AGP days and PSUs at the top of the case BTW, so I had a GPU in which the plastic on top of the heat sink almost melted off, and all that heat broke the fan in half! The second card was an adventure because Nvidia had this PCIe to AGP chip on the board that you needed to be careful with the aftermarket fans.
The case I’m using now is designed so the MB is rotated 90 deg so all the connectors come out the top. It has a grill to cover them and feed you candles out the back. All the fans are in the bottom and the top. What this does is allow the air to flow in the bottom move straight up past the Cade’s and out the top. No wired air flows or forcing the air to move around the flat side of a card. It works great. It’s useless for water cooling though.
I have a be quiet! case. It's airflow is.... Ok I have mine water cooled (cpu and gpu) and it has a single slim triple rad at the top. The case then funnels those 3x120mm exhausts to an opening about 120x100. That exhaust hole as almost burnt me a few times. It gets real hot. Not a huge issue as I have a reverse cycle aircon mounted on the wall directly above the pc.
@@Ziogref I know your pain. I sent the front door of my DBP900 to a CNC shop so that my radiators could breathe. We called bequiet cases incubators up until they finally discovered airflow with the 500DX and 802.
I still have that on my Asrock AB350 Pro4. Right at the bottom where its hard to reach. Lucky thing the GPU doesnt loom too close over it or I would have to take it out every time.
those are all good items! One that I would add is variable speed fans ... there are still some people who use fans running and full speed all the time, which to me is nuts...
Yes, the more the fans run, the more dirt they suck into the case and it actually can get counterproductive where temperatures go up because there is fuzz blocking air filters, the cooling fins and clogging up the fan blades making them inefficient at moving air. IFF passive cooling is possible at reasonable temperatures, that is a more optimal solution. With fans, it's better to have larger, lower speed fans for noise reduction while maintaining good airflow (which translates to good heat dissipation).
And any PC owner, who has some common sense, would actually open their PC once or twice a year, and check and clean any fans inside the PC. And remove any dust buildup, PC system units, needs maintenance cleaning, to be done to keep things running efficiently. And if you aren’t doing so you should be.
If you can accommodate a large fan in your PC case,instead of several small fans, then do so and you can run larger fans full speed. And some fan noise, isn’t usually enough to cause most people any annoyance, or break their concentration, just some people are more sensitive, to fan noise, than others are.
my gpu does that job for it, so now i can call my pc either perry the platypus or a rattlesnake. sadly it's a new 3080 as well. that one imperfection ruins so much but i did tell myself i wouldnt care anymore what a 3080 is like as long as i could have one since i waited for so many months
Another benefit of a modular PSU is that you can replace failed cables and you can buy aftermarket cables for different color schemes. I built my first PC in 1996 when I was 10 years old. Man I miss having to set all those lovely jumpers as the BIOS had almost ZERO auto detection.
I'm still traditional; almost always install multiple disks into my computers for load distribution and redundancy. I appreciated when casing designers finally supplied mount brackets for easy slide-lock into disk bays. No more having to pop off case panels both sides just to screw in disks.
This guy got positive energy; I think as a beginner i learned almost 20 new things which are like short-cut- hacks from this one video. I like how he explains even a little thing that are actually important, which others can miss. Thanks for all your work.
i always recommend people buying a good case both in terms of layout and space, but more importantly with good dust filters, its so much easier to clean dust of some filters every couple weeks than digging it out of radiators and fan blades.
If you're in the market for both maybe consider a custom built from a system builder? They get priority on parts so you can find RTX 30xx and AMD 50xx in stock at basically MSRP.
Thing is - mobos with all/most of those features tend to be really expensive and we're talking about that kind of money that would allow for a real performance improvement. Not an option in vast majority of builds.
Debug LEDs, clear CMOS button, and automatic flash BIOS feature are pretty common on anything above the absolute bottom tier of motherboards. No need to pay top dollar, but it does require some research.
yeah agreed, these features aren't necessities, but this video does provide awareness to people on what relatively "new" features are out there and why some mobos are so expensive. maybe he could've approached the video from another angle than "needed features".
This is what I like about Jay, I never get bored watching and listening to him , plus he's brialliant. I can't live without a UPS, electric power is always messing around here where I am located.
Proud parenting moment: Had the case open for cpu and cooler upgrade. As I'm about to pull the cpu, my son, in fantastic Hal voice, says, "Will I dream?" Bravo little man, bravo.
4:36 "because in the old days" loses train of thought or bad edit. Answer: In the old days they had beep codes. Do you remember when cases came with a speaker?
My Compaq Deskpro had a huuuge speaker inside, remember when they doubled as your only sound output in games? Having a good internal speaker was sweet if you couldn't afford speakers!
@@BansheeBunny How i wish i could have been there when these PCs were new, i have a huge appreciation for them. If it weren't for them, we wouldn't have what most take for granted now in our pockets, earliest PC i worked with was my dads sinclair ZX spectrum and a socket 1 system
@@Ramog1000 The 5150 could give many on screen errors. One of them was telling you the address of bad memory chips on the board so you could replace them. Most common of all was "301" keyboard error.
Nvme SSD is definitely a must have. But another thing i just noticed is my Fractal Case. I like the fact that it has removable dust filters (which makes cleaning easier) and also those sound dampeners that makes the case much quieter
A tip that I recently learned: Routing the reset button on the computer case to the clear_cmos pins eliminate the need for a physical clear_cmos button on the motherboard.
13:75 This was me literally like a year ago before I got a SSD... I got just a small 128gb from some guy on facebook and never looked back to using an HDD for my OS
I think it's worth noting on some older mother boards the m.2 slot is SATA and not NVME and can take up some of your PCI-E lanes. Make sure your what type of m.2 (form factor) your mother board can support, but totally agree that a SSD will vastly improve performance regardless of NVME vs SATA
A must have as a beginner is SPACE! You will need space in your Case and space on your motherboard. As a beginner who doesn't fully cap out with his first buy you will sooner or later look into more stuff. Test things, upgrade straight away and so on. Don't limit yourself with your first buy.
Rule of thumb, never safe money on your PSU or your case. Both can/will be used through several builds. And a big case is indeed something i dont want to miss, as it allows for easier access and better airflow. In addition to futereproof you for new eqipment. Still use a HAF X since 10 years as i have trouble finding another big tower with at least the same amount of airflow. Side panel fans need to come back...i am serious.
@@2nd_Directorate I'm still using a Corsair 800D and I see no reason to upgrade. In my opinion it still looks better than most cases, and I don't need special mounting points for SSDs since you can stick them pretty much anywhere. I got rid of the HDD hotswap board because the SATA and power connectors on them were kinda flimsy and would occasionally come loose and cause crashes, but that's not an issue because nobody hotswaps HDDs anyway so it wasn't a very useful feature.
Having a built in I/O shield in my mobo is super convenient, don't have to remember to pop it in the case and it is integrated into the aesthetics of the mobo
Pro tip: You can buy buttons to plug into the jumpers for the clear CMOS so you have an easy way to clear without using a jumper. You can also buy a speaker to get error codes without the LEDs.
@@dgdev69 PC buzzer is the name you are looking nowadays and they come often in a 10 pack for $5 or $6. PC reset button are running under the exact name and are mostly in dual packs for around $7.
Oh man now i feel like im 100 y.o. Back in my days kids we used beepers to detect problems with computers. Also the screwdriver to force open the mobo to boot.
You're still a baby. I remember a system that had a multi-stage boot process. The first stage was it would read a paper tape from a teletype which was the secondary bootstrap. Then you set the registers to start that secondary boot program which would then load the program (no Operating System) from the card reader.
another thing to add is if an older motherboard doesnt have enough fan headers the user can buy a fan hub...i bought a 6 fan hub by phanteks when building my 6700k and using an MSI Z170 board....man it saved my entire build...also have an NZXT 10 fan hub...they are cheap and work great....must have for older boards...
Asus BIOS: "Hey CPU are you there?" AMD 5800X: "Yeah I'm here!" Asus BIOS: "What kind are you?" AMD 5800X: "I'm the new Ryzen line!" Asus BIOS: (Amber LED) Me: (headdesk)
My Gigabyte BIOS: "Yeah okay Mr. 5600x you know what, I will work with you and your XMP RAM but only if the PSU has power when turned off, or else I swear I'm going to F* up POST like you've never seen before" This was my struggle until a third BIOS update, had to do a CMOS reset about 10 times in the first month.
@@stroopwafelijzer I have a Gigabyte x370 board that sometimes will refuse to POST after being powered off for a while, doesn't matter if the PSU is powered or not. I figure it's a RAM issue, my board even on the latest BIOS has never liked running my Corsair 3200 MHz RAM (SK Hynix chips) using XMP and will always crash during startup but manually configuring everything to the exact same specs XMP does works just fine (go figure). I seldom power my system off though (maybe a few times a month at most, sometimes not even once a month) and the issue doesn't always happen when I do, when it does though I simply clear the CMOS using the button on motherboard (it's a godsend) and restore my BIOS settings from a saved profile on a USB stick. Because it's a quick process and I rarely have to do it I'm not really bothered by it until I next upgrade as the system otherwise works fine.
@@Sevicify Setting the XMP manually was the solution for me as well! It still had the power issue though, but after the last stable BIOS update is was luckily gone. It turned out that the first "Ryzen 5000 series BIOS version" was super unstable and that the real optimized version came out two months later. Since then I've only had 1 BSOD out of the blue (pun not intended), but that was probably just some edgy software, never had it since.
@@SouthernWolff I have one at home, but at work it's impossible. About 2 years ago they decided that programmers don't need local admin access. Holy crap does it drive me nuts. No admin = no plugins.
One of the things I always try to keep around is dirt cheap thermal paste. Good to use when you're just testing parts and don't want to waste the good stuff.
Yup, I've done that on a couple of MITX systems that have inaccessible jumpers when built. If it's a build for someone else (or you are forgetful!) it's definitely worth labelling it and tucking it somewhere it can't be pressed by accident as unlike the clear cmos mobo buttons, you still need the power off to press it!
@@BenJaded basically every time you wanna reset the bios to its defaults (for example after bad cpu or ram OC) you just press the reset button on your case and it will clear the bios settings back to default.
Eh, not always. My last MOBO had 3 pins for the jumper. The jumper had to be on pins 1 & 2 to boot and had to be moved to 2 & 3 to clear CMOS. If the jumper wasn't on pins 1 & 2 it wouldn't post. I dropped the jumper on the carpet of the same color and spent a good 90 minutes trying to find it.
Thanks for posting these beginner or how-to videos. It's been like 20 years since I'd last built one and there is a lot of new stuff to catch up on. Not that I can afford a lot of it, I went bargain basement for mine simply because poverty sucks, but it's nice to learn about other features I might want in the future.
I'm old enough to remember the days when you could buy all the PC parts online and have them delivered to your front door in a couple of days. Go figure.
back in the day when troubleshooting post problems sounded more stressful than performing surgery (1 beep, almost there.. no 2nd beep? lets open it up and start all over again)
This is the video I needed!!! I have been going back and forth over motherboards for literally months. And graphics cards but lets be real that wont be happening for a hot minute. Im not in a hurry but still me WANTY. Loved the walk through! Especially the bit about flash and the buttons etc... Thank you so much for the explanations that include future trouble shooting tips thats what Im most anxious about for my build.
First thing I always connect to a new Mobo is a speaker. I once brought like 100 of them of AliExpress. It might be a drunk purchase we never know. But I still use them.
Large HDDs are an economical alternative for storage of large files if you planning on designing or creating content, but when working on them save a copy to your M.2 mSATA SSD to work on them! Also, saving some money by purchasing a semi-modular PSU usually doesn't compromise on specs or ease of cable-management!
Just for those wondering, Z97 for Haswell/Devils Canyon was the first Intel platform to (natively) support NVMe (as a boot drive). Older platforms that can still support PCIe storage, but not boot to it, can usually get around this by putting a bootloader on a SATA drive that can then boot to the NVMe drive.
oh interresting, I had a i5 4690k (so devils Canyon) and it had no nvme, but only a msata slot, I am supprized it even existed on desktop motherboards. Crazy to think that this was only like 7 years ago but hey now I upgraded to a 10600k and waiting for my m.2 ssd to be deliverd.
@@Ramog1000 it depends on the chipset/platform you were on. If I remember correctly, Z87 was brought out with Haswell, which was shortly followed by DC, and Z97 came around a bit after that? Either way, DC parts work in Z87 and vice-versa. I've got a box running a 4770k on the later Z97. A decent amount of Z87 boards could be made to boot to an NVMe drive in a PCIe slot by way of a hax'd together BIOS with bits from a comparable Z97 board's firmware.
HARD disagree on an LED readout being the most basic diagnostic tool. The BIOS speaker is definitely more basic, and can be put on literally 99.9% of motherboards.
@@MarksterC Ryzen 5900x, Gigabyte Vision D B550, 32Gb 16-18-18-36 Dominator Platinums, H150i Elite AIO, Corsair 5000D case, Asus Strix 860w PSU. All of which are in white. ...and my old black Asus Strix GTX1080 taken from my old PC. Definitely the odd part out in the build.
@@bronzehd6212 lol, yeah I know, I was mostly just being a smartarse. I've got a 500GB m.2, 1TB and 2TB sata SSDs and 2 1TB HDDs. So pretty good for storage 😋
I feel you! I had my trusty DVD-drive up until a couple of months ago. Because I needed a new case and, I really wanted the BeQuiet SilentBase 801, it sadly had to change it out for an external one. (It's not like i could live without a optical drive at all)
USB 3.0 jacks on the front panel or top of computer. The upload speed is amazing when loading Windows from a usb 3.0 stick. Not having to crawl behind your PC for a USB 3.0 is priceless when you have a few of them in the front or on top of your pc.
@@k4hvdq9tj92 If you really need perspective... If the difference between a HD and a SSD is saving yourself 45 seconds (which is likely generous to the HD side), turn on your computer once a day, 5 times a week, for an entire year... That's 45x5x4x12, or 10800 seconds, or 180 minutes, or 3 hours... Time is money for lots of people, so yes, "it matters".
@@k4hvdq9tj92 I boot my computer usually once a day (maybe more if I have to restart it for any reason) but a SSD speeds up way more than the boot process. Opening programs is almost instant, and the general feel of using the system is way snappier than with an HD (I built a new rig last month after using HDs for many, many years, so I can tell the difference very clearly). Even if the time saved can be measured in mere seconds, just the snappier user experience is worth it the extra money spent on a SSD/NVME drive.
@@k4hvdq9tj92 If I want extra storage I can just buy a bunch of 2TB HDs to put in my case, my MB has 4 SATA connectors just for that. Putting your system on a SSD is worth it for everyone (who use their system on a daily basis, at least). Again, the extra performance can be measured in seconds, and saying that you are shaving 5 seconds when opening a program might not look like a lot, but when you get used to your programs opening instantly and try to use a system with a HD, those 5 seconds start to seem gruesomely long.
@@k4hvdq9tj92 SSDs are literally better in every way, HDDs are so fucking slow in comparison. I can't imagine going back waiting and waiting for every program to load, waiting forever for games to load. Screw that I'm not going back to a shitty HDD every again.
@@k4hvdq9tj92 Referring to your "snake oil salesman" comment... Why is it that every uninformed anti-advocate is always sounding like some cynical conspiracy theorist who acts like advancement is a bad thing? Nobody's "pushing" anything on a consumer by simply informing them that there _are_ a plethora of advantages, aside from just speed gains. Speaking of which... Take a game like Fallout 4. On an SSD, it'd take 19 seconds to load, 46 for an HDD... GTA 5, the difference is 27 vs 54. And those are games. Not a full operating system. Apparently all you understand about computers is the INCREDIBLY optimized and minimalistic Windows 10, and wouldn't have any actual comprehension of how long something like Windows 98 would take to boot on a HDD. And since you think "3 hours a year" is "nothing"... Tell that to a computer manufacture. One hour of downtime, in the best case scenario, would cost a company like Intel over an 1/8th of a million dollars. Or probably about what you make over the course of 4 years. If that's "worth a piss" to you, then you've got nothing left to say. At the end of the day, it's the consumer's choice what they want and choose to spend their money on, so whatever you think your point is about "it being pushed on them" is what's stupid. Or maybe, as we've seen thus far, you prefer being uninformed.
The annoying part is how you can get a lot of the QoL things like code outs and stuff on boards that cost under $70 from China. Meanwhile you can only find them on $200+ mobos from reputable brands...
In 1978 I visited a radio store in Peking. Each chassis was displayed and a circuit diagram was posted beside it. The inexpensive boards with code outs are probably Chinese domestic ones. They care about things that so many of our countrymen are ignorant of.
For me a case with good dust filters and good air flow is quite high on the list. I just opened my PC after half of year and it is almost perfectly clean. Graphics card is clean, power supply is clean, radiators and fans are clean. Sure, I need to clean those filters once a week but whole system is more silent and temperatures are more stable (instead of building up with time because of dust buildup). Good quality power supply is also very high on the list as it can save your components over longer time.
Wish you would mention VRM cooling on cheap board's. Had my asus motherboard die because I didn't know using an aio can mean you need additional airflow over the VRM's.
Or proper VRMs at all. Lower end Z/X series boards make the compromises to sell for the uninitiated who just want to save a buck on the board but not the features. Main culprits are ironically ASUS and Asrock in this case. Yeah Gigabyte has also done these but Gigabyte was always “go big or go home” haha.
Long ago, I once found a decent PC in the trash. I found out the bios was dead. It was one of those removable chips. I ordered a $10 replacement (from Italy) and a few days later, after delivery, the system was up and running. Kept it for years :D
As someone who hasn't upgraded his PC in 11, yes 11 years. These videos are invaluable. My PC finally bit the dust, but rather then repairing it I've decided to build a new one, myself this time. After about 1 month of research, I think I'm finally ready to start picking parts. Jesus this stuff is alot of work, I just wanna play Kerbal Space Program 2 lol.
A friend had a broken start-button, he had a "special" spoon only to jump the pins on his MB and we later called it the boot-spoon
That's the best thing I've ever heard
WHAT!?
A friend of mine also had a broken start button. He just touches the wires together when he boots...just like hot wiring a old car!
Boot spoon is eternal
@@tweekgk that sounds like an awesome theme build idea
I was watching this at the breakfast table, and my wife was like: “wow, Linus turned gray?!!” 😂🤣🤣🤣
Well.....at least she knows Linus xD
Gray Linus is the new term I will refer to Jay ^^
I member Ehen Jay had nin grey hair
Stress really did an nunber in the poor guy bis hair changed over the course of a single month or so
Luckly the grey Fox style suite him very well imo ^^
He got that daddy look going well for him
@@NorroTaku boomer
Back in my day we listened to the beeps and boops to figure out what was wrong with the heckkin' computers
oof
@Skippy R same here, been using the same pc speaker for the last 3 or 4 builds now. I just keep moving it over to my new mobo cause they dont come with them anymore.
tore the speaker out of an old case to put in my new one lel
Just a few days ago I bought a dozen speakers on Amazon.
They're calling it now "pc buzzer" because a search for "pc speaker" returns regular loud speakers. 🙄
I still use the system speaker to diagnose boot issues on my home server. I guess they still put speakers on server motherboards because they are (as in my case) run headless.
"I'm a computer!" What kind of computer are you? "Yeah!!" lmao
Stop all the downloadin.
@@tokidokibokki1099 ???
I was laughing harder than I should have
That editing was hilarious lol
I'll never forget the dread of hearing those beeps from that little mobo speaker. I will also forever remain indebted to that one friend we had, you could mouth off a beep code to him over the phone and he'd tell you to test your RAM sticks, or that your GPU was fried, etc.
I went so far and bought a bunch of speakers. Oh, and I found a program that can play midi files over the speaker.
@@HappyBeezerStudios can i have that software?
@@HappyBeezerStudios That is pretty darn cool.
Why, unable to read the beeps? why use a Phone?
@@aerbon Winsound over PC speaker, winsound !
I didn't know motherboards talk to CPUs/GPUs like that, sounds like how my manager talks -
Have you completed the work 'Yeah'
Can I have it 'Yeah'
Where is it - 'Yeah'
Manager: Have you completed the work?
Me: i'M a K0mPuToR!!1!
@@Aqueous92 stop all the downloadin
@@DanielTheMagicBum came here to say that lol
You reminded me of Charlie in Always Sunny :D
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@@treborrrrr Yeah
1:35 Diagnostic Indicator
5:04 Clear CMOS Button
6:55 Surface-Mounted Buttons e.g. Power
8:18 BIOS Recovery
10:36 Extra Fan Connectors
11:36 GPU - High Power Limits
12:01 GPU - Multiple Fan Connectors/Controls
12:22 GPU - 0dB Fan Mode
12:52 GPU - Redundant/Dual BIOS
13:46 SATA OS SSD
15:40 PSU - Modular Cabling
16:37 PSU - 0dB Fan Mode
Out of all of these, the one that has made the most difference for me is the SATA SSDs. I can work around or live with any of the rest for my power-user-but-not-extreme-OC-user use case. For that matter, I can't remember the last time I had to physically look at a motherboard post code display since my last several systems have all had auto-fall-back for flash or boot errors.
The real MVP.
Thank you! I agree about SSDs. I still use hard drives a lot for bulk storage, but hate running programs from them, because it takes so much longer to load. HDDs are fine for music and videos, Portable Document Files and most other documents (spreadsheets can be an exception in some cases).
Idd SDD are must have period!
The rest is nice to have but that's it. Once you put everything in your PC and it works. It is fine. No modular PSU? Just stuff them behind the motherboard.
Not enough fun headers? Put a controller behind your motherboard.
I never ever used my bios counter screen thingy. If it doesn't boot I just remove all ram except one and check if all cables are connected try again. If it works put back ram back one at a time and we are of to the races.
I never encountered a CPU problem during BIOS boot. Once I had a DOA motherboard which I send back and got a new one.
Last build used nVME for boot and most programs installed, SATA for game installs and some data, HDD for media storage
The nVME boot allowed me to consider shutting the thing down overnight, or at the very least not dread windows updates forced restarts
The SSD is a must for any pc, every pc should have one. I'd also recommend the cheapest models, there's no need to buy a "high-end" ssd.
Everyone keeps forgetting that the most important things you need when building a PC are a table and a Swiss army knife.
Make sure the Swiss Army knife hopefully has a Phillips head screwdriver in it.
Tweeters to tie your cables together. ☝🏼
Don't forget the Livestrong wristband.
🤣🤣🤣
@@mike07646 gotta take precautions seriously! protecting yourself is important.
"Diagnostics - the most basic of which is a series of LEDs"
[Motherboard mounted PC Speaker has entered the chat]
Came here for this
BIOS beeps, too complex for most people, the OLED display!
I was there 3000 years ago.
I still have one!
@@ChildOfTheWilderness As did I until a pile of parts I bought from a guy had an Asrock Z77 Extreme 4 motherboard in it to mount my 3770 into - the Z77 X4 has a dual 7-Segment LED display for doing POST diagnostics, and it's the first Mobo I've ever had with anything more than a speaker. Up until last summer I was running an i7-870 on an Intel DH55TC motherboard, and before that it was some sort of Athlon 64 processor, probably a 667MHz or something - it was over a decade ago, so my memory is a bit fuzzy. My first PC I could call "mine" was a 486 SX-25 and between that one and this one I've only had maybe 4 or 5 major upgrades, so piezoelectric motherboard speakers are still "normal" to me.
My must-have feature is that the graphics card must physically exist on the material plane of our universe.
Getting harder and harder to find these days.
Ooh you need to see something on the monitor? You need graphics? Jeez people these days are so spoilt
Picky, picky, picky...
Hey guys I found the D&D player!
literally picked up a 6700xt for $1149 AUD a week ago
@@UncannyPally you right 🤣
I feel old when the "most basic" diagnostic is no longer the beeping that screams through the house at 3am after a bsod.
That wasnt even a "bad" diagnostic if implemented well. You had different Beep-Codes for different Errors (like, 5 fast beeps would be RAM-Error, 3 Slow beeps would be GPU-Error).
@@MytronixOfficial 1 long beep folowed by 8 short beeps would be parity error, 1 long 7 short would be read error and 2 long 9 short would be cpu error. i've seen error codes with up to 12 short beeps. manufacturers be like you better start counting fast because this ain't waiting for you, and it went fast lol
The case I bought recently doesn't even have a speaker. Gotta be honest, I missed the satisfying *beep* when I first fired up the computer after building it. :(
@G Bogart yeah. The pins are still available on most motherboards. I remember I added a motherboard speaker to my old P8Z77-V board because I had no way of diagnosing one time as to why it wasn't even posting and it didn't have an LED code read out. And my current ASUS hero 8 has the pin outs too, though with the LED code read out I no longer need the speaker.
@@rafasoaresms I stopped seeing speakers in new cases well over a decade ago! =:oo
What I always thought should have replaced the single-function "beep speaker" is a pair of little speakers mounted in one of the 5.25" drive bays, connected to the soundcard, so that you wouldn't have to have external speakers connected just to hear the Windows start up chimes, or play a CD while you're hacking code, or hear the sound effects from Space Invaders or Pong or whatever it is you kids play these days. =:o] And mount them in a removable tray, so that if you have external speakers and actually want an extra DVD drive or whatever instead, you can swap it out.
Nowadays, even the 5.25 drive bays a themselves are disappearing off cases. =:o(
Back in the good old days the mobo came with a PC speaker, and you got POST beeps and POST error beep codes. The best thing was that for a long time these beep codes were standardized.
The worst thing was hearing ...beep...beep...beep...beep...beep...beep...beep...beep...beep...beep...beep...beep...beep...beep...beep...beep...beep...beep...beep...beep...beep...beep...beep...beep...beep...beep...beep...beep...beep...beep...beep...beep...beep...beep...beep...beep...beep...beep...beep...beep That was always a bad sign.
@@kleinbottled79 RIP cpu
And sadly that was the last time I've built a PC from scratch. Doing first modern build now and need to watch all these vids to figure out what's going on.
Wait, what ? No PC speaker anymore ? I still have one on my Maximus V from 2012...
@@fridaycaliforniaa236 Many mobos come with a tiny speaker that attaches to the speaker header on the mobo. I've opened a number of mobo boxes that just didn't have the speaker in the box. Also a lot of pre-builds don't have internal speakers.
"Did they have color TV's in the 1900s?" As a 42 year old, I feel personally attacked.
I like to remind the kids that CRTs had response times measured in the nanoseconds not milliseconds, and the blacks were always black. I hope someone resurrects SED/FED (flat CRT) display technology, it had amazing potential for insanely high resolutions that make 8K look like a flip phone.
Lol
@@Mr.Morden faxxxx
@@Mr.Morden As someone who owned a 42" Sony Vega and moved several times, I am ok if no one resurrects that technology lol
Hey I'm 37 and used to have a portable *black & white* TV in my bedroom! _(won it through a kids tv program contest)_ and it was awesome!! 📺
I did all my research and took my time building my PC, it successfully booted on the first boot. I felt so proud
Me too. Lucky or just thorough?
@@neilhopkins6035 Thorough. I triple checked everything. First boot gang
Specs?
@@KiraIsGod b550, ryzen 3600x, 980ti (at the time, now have a 2080ti) 16gb 3600mhz ram, WD 250gb ssd boot, corsair rm850x
@@conker1596 Oh wow, that ram. How much did it cost total?
Tip for the newer people. When flashing a bios make sure you check the revision of the motherboard. Normally at the top of the manufacturers site it will have something like 1.0 and 1.1 and you can switch between the two. You need the bios for the correct revision. Normally the revision of the motherboard is printed on the PCB.
And that's especially annoying when the Manufacturer discovers a huge design flaw in a revision and tries to shove that under the carpet by releasing a new revision and stopping support for yours....
Never seen that on any other manufacturer besides Gigabyte tbh. Maybe Foxconn when they were still in game.
@@NiC707 ASRock.... I have an immediate example: the b450 Pro4. The 1.0 release only has a small bios chip so if You have one of them and a 1st or 2nd gen ryzen you can basically forget upgrading to the latest bios/agesa
@@kayburcky7146 Oh that's unfortunate. Yeah it's been a while since I worked on an Asrock board. That being said, both R2.0 and non specified R (presumingly 1.0?) versions of B450 Pro 4 supports the latest Agesa update 1.2.0.0. Have you checked their site?
@@NiC707 yeah but not for summit ridge xD that is the problem. It posts but most of bios settings arent present
Remember when you needed to reposition the jumper on your HDD in order to change from Master to Slave or vice versa?
I member.
I've recently dismantled an old Pentium 4 powered PC that had IDE drives installed. All the HDD's and ODD's required jumpers. I do not miss those huge, not very flexible cables.
Why you cry that? alzheimer's, old people...MAD!
Master, Slave and Cable Select...
@@elitespoon IDE just ignores Cable select !!!
Only if you remove all the Master / Slave Jumpers, some IDE drives still see the cable select on 28 pin cables.
Or did you meant SCSI I or ESDI ?
I forgot about that being a thing.
The point about the SSD is 100% true. Best upgrade I had in maybe 20 years, when I got my first SSD 6 or 7 years ago.
I got my 7 year old SSD still running, still in perfect health after 50 TBW and I'll probably never write it dead.
Look yes its true, ssd's are better than hdd's and nowadays cheaper too, but for data hoarders like me 500gb for 50 bucks seems like a big no.
id rather wait for it to load for a few minutes but have a shitload of space, rather than just have to squeeze and optimize my data every minute.
@@necrobynerton7384 Totally! If you need lots of storage it's still more affordable to go with HDD. I was purely thinking for the main storage that the OS runs from. :)
@@pallenda yea for that an ssd is fast.
I have a laptop that has one, i did yank it and use it on my desktop for some time, and sure enough, it was incredibly fast, but ultimately decided to leave it to my laptop since, i don't use it a whole lot anyways and 180GB for os didn't cut it for me on my main system.
I have a computer that is like 10y old. The magic sauce is lots of ram and ssd
The BIOS flashback feature can also be used to get to a newer BIOS if it's not supporting the CPU yet and you don't have an older one to flash it
Thank you for this comment. I think I'm gonna need to do this with my set and didn't know about this.
This has been my one worry with my first build. I'm glad I don't have to buy an extra cpu now
@@jspurg some motherboard vendors and retailers will lend you an old cpu for exactly this purpose
I am supposed to do this (BIOS FLASH with just power supply, mobo, and flash drive) and I'm worried I'll brick my mobo. That's $299+ I don't wanna spend again plus it took me two months to get the Unify board in. That and several vids on the subject stated that at least one of the top 8 pin connectors has to be plugged in also. Now I'm confused again.
@@ChrisMartinScruffy I said it in an earlier comment but I've done that today. Aorus Pro X570, it's terrifying but you just need an usb drive formated on FAT32 and to rename the bios file under the right name (ex: gigabyte.bin for Aorus/Gigabyte, MSI.rom for MSI, creative.rom for AsRock, ASUS has its own auto renamer program for that). Push the button 5 seconds, let the MB do the work, watch the led tingling and wait for ~5 min. It's the same with other brands, just read the manual to be sure and don't hesitate to watch a video here or on another channel. It's not "hard" but I understand that even with experience, even a lot, flashing is always a tough moment. Godspeed mate!
One of my favorite features is a motherboard that comes with a short-cut "brick" for the power button, reset switch, hdd, lights, etc. Plug them all into the labeled brick and slap the little brick right onto the pins. Makes life a little easier.
I love those. Nothing quite as annoying as trying to reach down into a poorly lit, crowded case and trying to match the microscopic print on the mobo and wires and then smashing your knuckles while trying to coax the connections into the correct position.
why this has not been made is a stdard header by is beyond my it need to just one plug
The 1 button idea for all of this like a header pin to connect a this, is the 1 thing that when they solve all that, changes the game for pc motherboards. Simple thing, and maybe then can be a software controlled solution that when urged into the case can detect where amd how many different buttons / usb inputs there are.
My old 990fx sabertooth Gen 1 had one of these bricks. My new tough x570 pro wifi did not... I was so sad
This
Features like this have come a long way since I was in tech training back in the early 2000s. Having the Motherboard tell you whats wrong or what isn't working correctly is a HUGE time saver in trouble shooting.
I like how we have come back, even in the past some motherboards had an LED codes that told you the issue.
Motherboards have done that for as long as I can remember. You Just had to plug in the speaker and hear the error code back in the old days.
10:05 that comeback after this is glorious
One to remember. xD It's a usB hole, you're an US A-hole.
The whole exchange is gold, as is Phil's laughter xD
@@ShadowDweller_YT They truly sound like they have a lot of fun!
I just like having a case that doesn't have unfinished sharp metal edges inside (or outside of course). It's nice being able to work in it without bleeding all over it.
But..but ...i thought the sacrifice in blood must be paid to the POST gods...?
Pay up and this won’t happen. Cheap cases are cheap for a reason.
You made me look at my scar on my thumb I got because of one of those "Chinese Knifes". Happened at work - I don't buy such cheap crap personally. Totally underrated comment.
Laughs in phanteks p600s
@@dominik8291 Ikr (thermaltake core P3)
And tbh, I think I'll buy another one next time it's on sale, just in case...
God I'm getting old 😭
I can imagine working for Jay would be an adventure and a half XD
Might be a challenge, but I really don't see him being a male usb-a hole....
AND ON THE OTHER SIDE
WE HAVE LINUS!!!!!
A BATTLE OF THE AGES TO SEE WHO IS IT MORE ANNOYING TO WORK FOR
The one thing I can think of off hand is a case with removable dust filters. There are still some cheap cases out there without them.
Sadly, one of the most overlooked things in a build is the case, especially with the school bus sized GPUs now, having a case that will fit it is an absolute MUST. "Oh, this looks pretty cool" hasn't really worked since the beigebox days.
Generic magnetic dust filters are a godsend, and so are PCI mesh covers. Really helps to vent GPU heat out the back. Probably include PCI bracket mounting USB ports, I seem to never have enough ports...
My case has the 3 fans upfront with a glass panel that's open on the sides, so the center is blocked but the sides allow air flow. Then there's the fan in the back, but it has a vent ontop with the same style glass panel above it. Also has glass panel doors on the sides.
Gamers Nexus is a god send for case reviews :D
I see your post is from 9 months ago, and I know this is off topic, but your talk about cases got me going. I don't understand why there aren't a couple case designs available out there like cases from the mid to late 2000's with 5+ 5-1/4 bays to be able to add these hot swap cages and really expand storage reusing old equipment as servers. Makes me so happy that I saved this one Cooler Master case from around 2008-9.
A case with good airflow and mesh filters is always a must for me
I had a case in which I basically lost two GPUs (The second one I bought an after market cooler) because the airflow in the case I was using sucked. This was back in AGP days and PSUs at the top of the case BTW, so I had a GPU in which the plastic on top of the heat sink almost melted off, and all that heat broke the fan in half! The second card was an adventure because Nvidia had this PCIe to AGP chip on the board that you needed to be careful with the aftermarket fans.
The case I’m using now is designed so the MB is rotated 90 deg so all the connectors come out the top. It has a grill to cover them and feed you candles out the back. All the fans are in the bottom and the top. What this does is allow the air to flow in the bottom move straight up past the Cade’s and out the top. No wired air flows or forcing the air to move around the flat side of a card. It works great. It’s useless for water cooling though.
I have a be quiet! case.
It's airflow is.... Ok
I have mine water cooled (cpu and gpu) and it has a single slim triple rad at the top. The case then funnels those 3x120mm exhausts to an opening about 120x100.
That exhaust hole as almost burnt me a few times. It gets real hot.
Not a huge issue as I have a reverse cycle aircon mounted on the wall directly above the pc.
@@Ziogref I know your pain. I sent the front door of my DBP900 to a CNC shop so that my radiators could breathe.
We called bequiet cases incubators up until they finally discovered airflow with the 500DX and 802.
"You're a USA-hole"
I can only dream of some day producing a line as good as that
Fun fact, he was talking about a USB type A hole
That was LMAO funny!
I LOL'd so hard the windows shattered.
murica f yeah
These tips will be great in two years!
I know, right?
This guy came from the future for this video
I remember when you could just take the battery out to clear bios. And the clear bios jumper was normally 3 prongs and you would just move it over
I still have that on my Asrock AB350 Pro4. Right at the bottom where its hard to reach. Lucky thing the GPU doesnt loom too close over it or I would have to take it out every time.
those are all good items! One that I would add is variable speed fans ... there are still some people who use fans running and full speed all the time, which to me is nuts...
It depends on your use case i guess, rig is in its own room, and 9/10 im wearing headphones and never hear them anyways
I would even take this a step further and say Motherboard fan tuning. Or something similar.
Yes, the more the fans run, the more dirt they suck into the case and it actually can get counterproductive where temperatures go up because there is fuzz blocking air filters, the cooling fins and clogging up the fan blades making them inefficient at moving air. IFF passive cooling is possible at reasonable temperatures, that is a more optimal solution. With fans, it's better to have larger, lower speed fans for noise reduction while maintaining good airflow (which translates to good heat dissipation).
And any PC owner, who has some common sense, would actually open their PC once or twice a year, and check and clean any fans inside the PC. And remove any dust buildup, PC system units, needs maintenance cleaning, to be done to keep things running efficiently. And if you aren’t doing so you should be.
If you can accommodate a large fan in your PC case,instead of several small fans, then do so and you can run larger fans full speed. And some fan noise, isn’t usually enough to cause most people any annoyance, or break their concentration, just some people are more sensitive, to fan noise, than others are.
“Hey CPU, you there?”
Cpu: “DErGhArrR”
Im a computer 😂😂😂
@@m7snm7sn7 What kind of computer?
@@qwertyferix Yeah!
@@ultran1te 👌
@@qwertyferix dell precision m65 laptop
I cant live without a rattling psu fan.... its so relaxing 🤌
Honestly i never hear my PSU Fan and the 0-RPM Mode is never active tho i have it activated.
my gpu does that job for it, so now i can call my pc either perry the platypus or a rattlesnake. sadly it's a new 3080 as well. that one imperfection ruins so much but i did tell myself i wouldnt care anymore what a 3080 is like as long as i could have one since i waited for so many months
@@evenrik_2214 rip
@@evenrik_2214 Got mine (EVGA RTX 3080 XC3 Ultra) for 820€, arrived November 6th. Its a great GPU, cant complain.
@@Dgeigerd i got mine for 700$
Another benefit of a modular PSU is that you can replace failed cables and you can buy aftermarket cables for different color schemes. I built my first PC in 1996 when I was 10 years old. Man I miss having to set all those lovely jumpers as the BIOS had almost ZERO auto detection.
Be VERY careful when doing this cause it is very easy to use incompatible cables and best case scenerio blow up your psu
Thanks for not cutting those first 10 seconds those were great thanks 👌🏼
I did four YEARS of research. Bought all the parts back in early September. Built it, and booted the first try
gone are the days where you had to take a seat and guess what the hell those beeps meant, "the beeps mason, what do they mean?"
a single beep always means things are alright. It's just the machine telling you it's there.
For the rest ... depends
I'm still traditional; almost always install multiple disks into my computers for load distribution and redundancy. I appreciated when casing designers finally supplied mount brackets for easy slide-lock into disk bays. No more having to pop off case panels both sides just to screw in disks.
Nowadays, my top must have is... Availability! 😈
This guy got positive energy; I think as a beginner i learned almost 20 new things which are like short-cut- hacks from this one video. I like how he explains even a little thing that are actually important, which others can miss. Thanks for all your work.
"You're a US A-HOLE, Phil!" 😂
i always recommend people buying a good case both in terms of layout and space, but more importantly with good dust filters, its so much easier to clean dust of some filters every couple weeks than digging it out of radiators and fan blades.
In these times my must have feature is just having a gpu and cpu to install.
My “computer” is going to be obsolete by the time I get a CPU and GPU.
If you're in the market for both maybe consider a custom built from a system builder? They get priority on parts so you can find RTX 30xx and AMD 50xx in stock at basically MSRP.
Thing is - mobos with all/most of those features tend to be really expensive and we're talking about that kind of money that would allow for a real performance improvement. Not an option in vast majority of builds.
But they look cool
The light warning and the bios flash button would be the most important for me, the other is more if you want to get in overclocking.
Even more if you live outside usa
Debug LEDs, clear CMOS button, and automatic flash BIOS feature are pretty common on anything above the absolute bottom tier of motherboards. No need to pay top dollar, but it does require some research.
yeah agreed, these features aren't necessities, but this video does provide awareness to people on what relatively "new" features are out there and why some mobos are so expensive. maybe he could've approached the video from another angle than "needed features".
This is what I like about Jay, I never get bored watching and listening to him , plus he's brialliant. I can't live without a UPS, electric power is always messing around here where I am located.
here i am still using a piezo speaker and listening for beeps to diagnose issues :D
HAL9000: "I'm sorry I can't do that Dave, the boot code was 2F"
Dave: "Goddamn it, HAL!!"
Proud parenting moment: Had the case open for cpu and cooler upgrade. As I'm about to pull the cpu, my son, in fantastic Hal voice, says, "Will I dream?" Bravo little man, bravo.
4:36 "because in the old days" loses train of thought or bad edit.
Answer: In the old days they had beep codes. Do you remember when cases came with a speaker?
My Compaq Deskpro had a huuuge speaker inside, remember when they doubled as your only sound output in games? Having a good internal speaker was sweet if you couldn't afford speakers!
@@razorsz195 I am old enough to have worked on a 5150 when it was new. Oldest Compaq was a the Luggable.
@@BansheeBunny How i wish i could have been there when these PCs were new, i have a huge appreciation for them. If it weren't for them, we wouldn't have what most take for granted now in our pockets, earliest PC i worked with was my dads sinclair ZX spectrum and a socket 1 system
well a small pc beeper is all you need to debug in the past and today
@@Ramog1000 The 5150 could give many on screen errors. One of them was telling you the address of bad memory chips on the board so you could replace them. Most common of all was "301" keyboard error.
2:35 I literally spit and choked on my drink! OMG so unexpected and funny!
Nvme SSD is definitely a must have. But another thing i just noticed is my Fractal Case. I like the fact that it has removable dust filters (which makes cleaning easier) and also those sound dampeners that makes the case much quieter
A tip that I recently learned: Routing the reset button on the computer case to the clear_cmos pins eliminate the need for a physical clear_cmos button on the motherboard.
That is what I have on my PC as well. I am a blind guy and I often ruin the BIOS settings and I am sick of asking my son to help me clearing the CMOS.
How old is your case, cheap board?
you need the BIOS keys, not the reset!
Dont we all just love comedic Jay? Top-notch comedy if I may say so
@G Bogart He has a difference sense of humor, not easily amused,
13:75 This was me literally like a year ago before I got a SSD... I got just a small 128gb from some guy on facebook and never looked back to using an HDD for my OS
I think it's worth noting on some older mother boards the m.2 slot is SATA and not NVME and can take up some of your PCI-E lanes. Make sure your what type of m.2 (form factor) your mother board can support, but totally agree that a SSD will vastly improve performance regardless of NVME vs SATA
think you mean sata slot takes up sata ports so if you have too many sata drives they will be taken up
@@squidwardo7074 No. I mean some M.2 slots run on SATA and not NVME.
@@salromano87 yes? a sata m.2 doesn't use up a pcie slot
@@squidwardo7074 Did i say PCI-E slot? No. I said PCI-E lanes.
It can’t be just me. Phill’s laugh just bring joy to my day
Let's face it, everybody needs some Phil's laugh in their lives. 😁
Make it your ring tone.
@@andrewt.5567 We should probably ask Jay to make a big compilation of Phil's laugh moments. :)
A must have as a beginner is SPACE! You will need space in your Case and space on your motherboard. As a beginner who doesn't fully cap out with his first buy you will sooner or later look into more stuff. Test things, upgrade straight away and so on. Don't limit yourself with your first buy.
Rule of thumb, never safe money on your PSU or your case. Both can/will be used through several builds. And a big case is indeed something i dont want to miss, as it allows for easier access and better airflow. In addition to futereproof you for new eqipment.
Still use a HAF X since 10 years as i have trouble finding another big tower with at least the same amount of airflow.
Side panel fans need to come back...i am serious.
@@2nd_Directorate I'm still using a Corsair 800D and I see no reason to upgrade. In my opinion it still looks better than most cases, and I don't need special mounting points for SSDs since you can stick them pretty much anywhere. I got rid of the HDD hotswap board because the SATA and power connectors on them were kinda flimsy and would occasionally come loose and cause crashes, but that's not an issue because nobody hotswaps HDDs anyway so it wasn't a very useful feature.
BIOS : hey CPU, what is your name
CPU : Ezekial
BIOS : F U Ezekial
Having a built in I/O shield in my mobo is super convenient, don't have to remember to pop it in the case and it is integrated into the aesthetics of the mobo
Jay: for the people who don't use a prebuilt.
Also Jay: **Sponsored by a prebuilt pc**
Pro tip: You can buy buttons to plug into the jumpers for the clear CMOS so you have an easy way to clear without using a jumper. You can also buy a speaker to get error codes without the LEDs.
Is there any standard name to it?
@@dgdev69 just search diagnostic speaker/LED for the error code part ;).
The diagnostic speakers used to come as standard with a lot of boards until not a long time ago.
@@dgdev69 PC buzzer is the name you are looking nowadays and they come often in a 10 pack for $5 or $6. PC reset button are running under the exact name and are mostly in dual packs for around $7.
Oh man now i feel like im 100 y.o. Back in my days kids we used beepers to detect problems with computers. Also the screwdriver to force open the mobo to boot.
You're still a baby. I remember a system that had a multi-stage boot process. The first stage was it would read a paper tape from a teletype which was the secondary bootstrap. Then you set the registers to start that secondary boot program which would then load the program (no Operating System) from the card reader.
@@roycsinclair Dw, you're both ancient compared to me... and this feeling will probably only last all of the next 5 years for me, but whatever.
I still use a beep.
another thing to add is if an older motherboard doesnt have enough fan headers the user can buy a fan hub...i bought a 6 fan hub by phanteks when building my 6700k and using an MSI Z170 board....man it saved my entire build...also have an NZXT 10 fan hub...they are cheap and work great....must have for older boards...
2:16 ok, now i have to figure out how to exchange jays audio files with the bios beep XD
Asus BIOS: "Hey CPU are you there?"
AMD 5800X: "Yeah I'm here!"
Asus BIOS: "What kind are you?"
AMD 5800X: "I'm the new Ryzen line!"
Asus BIOS: (Amber LED)
Me: (headdesk)
My Gigabyte BIOS: "Yeah okay Mr. 5600x you know what, I will work with you and your XMP RAM but only if the PSU has power when turned off, or else I swear I'm going to F* up POST like you've never seen before"
This was my struggle until a third BIOS update, had to do a CMOS reset about 10 times in the first month.
@@stroopwafelijzer I have a Gigabyte x370 board that sometimes will refuse to POST after being powered off for a while, doesn't matter if the PSU is powered or not. I figure it's a RAM issue, my board even on the latest BIOS has never liked running my Corsair 3200 MHz RAM (SK Hynix chips) using XMP and will always crash during startup but manually configuring everything to the exact same specs XMP does works just fine (go figure). I seldom power my system off though (maybe a few times a month at most, sometimes not even once a month) and the issue doesn't always happen when I do, when it does though I simply clear the CMOS using the button on motherboard (it's a godsend) and restore my BIOS settings from a saved profile on a USB stick. Because it's a quick process and I rarely have to do it I'm not really bothered by it until I next upgrade as the system otherwise works fine.
@@Sevicify Setting the XMP manually was the solution for me as well! It still had the power issue though, but after the last stable BIOS update is was luckily gone. It turned out that the first "Ryzen 5000 series BIOS version" was super unstable and that the real optimized version came out two months later. Since then I've only had 1 BSOD out of the blue (pun not intended), but that was probably just some edgy software, never had it since.
My biggest thing that wasn't mentioned is a UPS. A small UPS can be picked up for around £100 and will protect against a whole host of power issues
Hey cpu are you there???
CPU: dauuuuuuuu!!!!!!
"I'm dead" 🤣😂💀
Hey CPU are you there?
CPU: iM a c0MpUTeR
M0bo: what kind?
CPU: Yeah!
Killed me
A headlamp is amazing while building doing a build. Makes seeing all the small pin headers etc. so much easier.
Oh yeah. Rechargeable little headlamp is top 3 item list with screwdriver & bits and bag-o-zipties
9:43 "Put my EPROM in, did a flash-"
Best timing for an ad ever.
LMFAOOOOOOOOO DUDE I LITERALLY HAD AN AD AT THE SAME FRICKING TIME LOLLLLLLLL!!!!!
I once ripped a nonmodular power supply out of an old computer and began chanting kal-e-ma
I hate fucking youtube these days. I didn't use to mind those ads, but holy shit have they gotten 20x worse.
Get an ad blocker, or at minimum, an auto ad skipper
@@SouthernWolff I have one at home, but at work it's impossible. About 2 years ago they decided that programmers don't need local admin access. Holy crap does it drive me nuts. No admin = no plugins.
8:20 For 8 minutes I thought He was trying to sell that amazing motherboard... Glad you cleared that out in the middle of the video :D
that is an amazing motherboard, i have the same model Maximus X but the latest revision, its a bit expensive but you pay for the best for sure
One of the things I always try to keep around is dirt cheap thermal paste. Good to use when you're just testing parts and don't want to waste the good stuff.
"We're talking, we're working." - Jay, 2021.
Yeah I gotta teach that to my girlfriend
Take your reset button.
Connect it to the clear CMOS Pins.
Thank me later.
Yup, I've done that on a couple of MITX systems that have inaccessible jumpers when built. If it's a build for someone else (or you are forgetful!) it's definitely worth labelling it and tucking it somewhere it can't be pressed by accident as unlike the clear cmos mobo buttons, you still need the power off to press it!
can you explain what that does, please?
@@BenJaded basically every time you wanna reset the bios to its defaults (for example after bad cpu or ram OC) you just press the reset button on your case and it will clear the bios settings back to default.
@@maxzett ah interesting, I might check that out thanks
Eh, not always. My last MOBO had 3 pins for the jumper. The jumper had to be on pins 1 & 2 to boot and had to be moved to 2 & 3 to clear CMOS. If the jumper wasn't on pins 1 & 2 it wouldn't post. I dropped the jumper on the carpet of the same color and spent a good 90 minutes trying to find it.
I've just built my first PC and think having mesh filter grills is a must to help keep it dust free.
Thanks for posting these beginner or how-to videos. It's been like 20 years since I'd last built one and there is a lot of new stuff to catch up on. Not that I can afford a lot of it, I went bargain basement for mine simply because poverty sucks, but it's nice to learn about other features I might want in the future.
I know exactly how you feel Gus.
I'm old enough to remember the days when you could buy all the PC parts online and have them delivered to your front door in a couple of days.
Go figure.
Yeah, I remember that, so off to try Redux as a last resort I guess! Where you can't specify case, cooling or motherboard! :(
what did you have for breakfast this morning? BOOT LOOPS ;) lol
You didn't have CP-Os?
LOL!!
comedian 😂
back in the day when troubleshooting post problems sounded more stressful than performing surgery (1 beep, almost there.. no 2nd beep? lets open it up and start all over again)
This is the video I needed!!! I have been going back and forth over motherboards for literally months. And graphics cards but lets be real that wont be happening for a hot minute. Im not in a hurry but still me WANTY. Loved the walk through! Especially the bit about flash and the buttons etc... Thank you so much for the explanations that include future trouble shooting tips thats what Im most anxious about for my build.
You are beautiful 🥵
*Looks a very old Mobo booting*
*BEEP BEEP BEEEEEEP*
Me: Hello God, it's me again...
First thing I always connect to a new Mobo is a speaker. I once brought like 100 of them of AliExpress. It might be a drunk purchase we never know. But I still use them.
I can't live without... *insert Jay's voice* IFIXTIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥
[EXPLOSIONS INTENSIFY]
[MORE EXPLOSIONS EXTENSIFY]
I like it when I look up my error code and it comes back as "reserved for future use"
Dude! That means your PC is a time machine! Too bad the error makes it not work :sigh:
Someone from the future sold their old motherboard to the past, obviously
My crosshair hero 6 has been reading. "New ram stick identified" for 6 years
About as useful as the "Something went wrong" blue screen error in Windows 10 lol.
@@Theninja114 asus things haha. Not to shit on ASUS, they are great, I have just had my fill of them. Same with razer and gaming peripherals.
Large HDDs are an economical alternative for storage of large files if you planning on designing or creating content, but when working on them save a copy to your M.2 mSATA SSD to work on them!
Also, saving some money by purchasing a semi-modular PSU usually doesn't compromise on specs or ease of cable-management!
Just for those wondering, Z97 for Haswell/Devils Canyon was the first Intel platform to (natively) support NVMe (as a boot drive). Older platforms that can still support PCIe storage, but not boot to it, can usually get around this by putting a bootloader on a SATA drive that can then boot to the NVMe drive.
What's an intel platform? is that like Kodak, I have AMD as they have cheap and powerful processors that support PCI-4 NVMe
@@tomquimby8669 incredible how the same guys that probably where like: "don't bash my system because its amd" like years ago are now bashing on intel
oh interresting, I had a i5 4690k (so devils Canyon) and it had no nvme, but only a msata slot, I am supprized it even existed on desktop motherboards.
Crazy to think that this was only like 7 years ago but hey now I upgraded to a 10600k and waiting for my m.2 ssd to be deliverd.
@@Ramog1000 it depends on the chipset/platform you were on. If I remember correctly, Z87 was brought out with Haswell, which was shortly followed by DC, and Z97 came around a bit after that? Either way, DC parts work in Z87 and vice-versa. I've got a box running a 4770k on the later Z97.
A decent amount of Z87 boards could be made to boot to an NVMe drive in a PCIe slot by way of a hax'd together BIOS with bits from a comparable Z97 board's firmware.
HARD disagree on an LED readout being the most basic diagnostic tool. The BIOS speaker is definitely more basic, and can be put on literally 99.9% of motherboards.
Most if not all motherboards support them going back to the IBM 5150.
The only feature I want in my pc is a gpu
Facts
LOL
Fun fact: Clear cmos or remove batt is (100%) not needed. Lol. Its not static roms. But well the keep the function so you can still use it that way.
Geeze Jay, I only just finished building a computer this weekend and NOW you tell me what I need!?
ah, don't feel bad now you know for what you need for your next build or upgrade ^-^
wait what specs??
@@MarksterC Ryzen 5900x, Gigabyte Vision D B550, 32Gb 16-18-18-36 Dominator Platinums, H150i Elite AIO, Corsair 5000D case, Asus Strix 860w PSU. All of which are in white.
...and my old black Asus Strix GTX1080 taken from my old PC. Definitely the odd part out in the build.
@@bronzehd6212 lol, yeah I know, I was mostly just being a smartarse. I've got a 500GB m.2, 1TB and 2TB sata SSDs and 2 1TB HDDs. So pretty good for storage 😋
"You're a US A-hole Phil!" 😂 you guys have so much fun making these videos i love it... big fan!
Still need a 5.25 optical. I know I'm a niche case, but I find it super useful to have.
I feel you! I had my trusty DVD-drive up until a couple of months ago. Because I needed a new case and, I really wanted the BeQuiet SilentBase 801, it sadly had to change it out for an external one. (It's not like i could live without a optical drive at all)
USB 3.0 jacks on the front panel or top of computer. The upload speed is amazing when loading Windows from a usb 3.0 stick. Not having to crawl behind your PC for a USB 3.0 is priceless when you have a few of them in the front or on top of your pc.
All of the "Back in my day!" quips I have done have come back to me...GOD IM OLD! lol
Same here
Yeah i can't stress enough as a fairly new SSD user , i'm still surprised after having it for about 1-2 years how fast it boots.
@@k4hvdq9tj92
If you really need perspective...
If the difference between a HD and a SSD is saving yourself 45 seconds (which is likely generous to the HD side), turn on your computer once a day, 5 times a week, for an entire year... That's 45x5x4x12, or 10800 seconds, or 180 minutes, or 3 hours...
Time is money for lots of people, so yes, "it matters".
@@k4hvdq9tj92 I boot my computer usually once a day (maybe more if I have to restart it for any reason) but a SSD speeds up way more than the boot process. Opening programs is almost instant, and the general feel of using the system is way snappier than with an HD (I built a new rig last month after using HDs for many, many years, so I can tell the difference very clearly). Even if the time saved can be measured in mere seconds, just the snappier user experience is worth it the extra money spent on a SSD/NVME drive.
@@k4hvdq9tj92 If I want extra storage I can just buy a bunch of 2TB HDs to put in my case, my MB has 4 SATA connectors just for that.
Putting your system on a SSD is worth it for everyone (who use their system on a daily basis, at least). Again, the extra performance can be measured in seconds, and saying that you are shaving 5 seconds when opening a program might not look like a lot, but when you get used to your programs opening instantly and try to use a system with a HD, those 5 seconds start to seem gruesomely long.
@@k4hvdq9tj92 SSDs are literally better in every way, HDDs are so fucking slow in comparison. I can't imagine going back waiting and waiting for every program to load, waiting forever for games to load. Screw that I'm not going back to a shitty HDD every again.
@@k4hvdq9tj92
Referring to your "snake oil salesman" comment... Why is it that every uninformed anti-advocate is always sounding like some cynical conspiracy theorist who acts like advancement is a bad thing? Nobody's "pushing" anything on a consumer by simply informing them that there _are_ a plethora of advantages, aside from just speed gains. Speaking of which... Take a game like Fallout 4. On an SSD, it'd take 19 seconds to load, 46 for an HDD... GTA 5, the difference is 27 vs 54. And those are games. Not a full operating system. Apparently all you understand about computers is the INCREDIBLY optimized and minimalistic Windows 10, and wouldn't have any actual comprehension of how long something like Windows 98 would take to boot on a HDD.
And since you think "3 hours a year" is "nothing"... Tell that to a computer manufacture. One hour of downtime, in the best case scenario, would cost a company like Intel over an 1/8th of a million dollars. Or probably about what you make over the course of 4 years. If that's "worth a piss" to you, then you've got nothing left to say.
At the end of the day, it's the consumer's choice what they want and choose to spend their money on, so whatever you think your point is about "it being pushed on them" is what's stupid. Or maybe, as we've seen thus far, you prefer being uninformed.
The annoying part is how you can get a lot of the QoL things like code outs and stuff on boards that cost under $70 from China. Meanwhile you can only find them on $200+ mobos from reputable brands...
In 1978 I visited a radio store in Peking. Each chassis was displayed and a circuit diagram was posted beside it. The inexpensive boards with code outs are probably Chinese domestic ones. They care about things that so many of our countrymen are ignorant of.
For me a case with good dust filters and good air flow is quite high on the list. I just opened my PC after half of year and it is almost perfectly clean. Graphics card is clean, power supply is clean, radiators and fans are clean. Sure, I need to clean those filters once a week but whole system is more silent and temperatures are more stable (instead of building up with time because of dust buildup). Good quality power supply is also very high on the list as it can save your components over longer time.
Can’t live without extension cables. Obviously cases vary but man, you won’t believe how much cleaner they make your build 🙌
Motherboard displays got us screaming: "There are four lights!"
from this point on you will not have a name. You will be referred to only as human.
WRONG! *smack*
Oh wait... this isn't YTMND.
Wish you would mention VRM cooling on cheap board's. Had my asus motherboard die because I didn't know using an aio can mean you need additional airflow over the VRM's.
Or proper VRMs at all. Lower end Z/X series boards make the compromises to sell for the uninitiated who just want to save a buck on the board but not the features. Main culprits are ironically ASUS and Asrock in this case. Yeah Gigabyte has also done these but Gigabyte was always “go big or go home” haha.
One really nice one that wasn't mentioned in the video was having removable dust filters in your case where air is to be pulled in.
Jay saving a bricked bios update by swapping the eprom on a running system is top level.
Hot swap :)
Long ago, I once found a decent PC in the trash. I found out the bios was dead. It was one of those removable chips. I ordered a $10 replacement (from Italy) and a few days later, after delivery, the system was up and running. Kept it for years :D
My first SSD was a SATA II 3Gb/s model, and I'd even take that over a mechanical drive as my boot drive.
Well USB-hole is now forever part of my PC language! Love it!
PC lexicon update. Yeah.
As someone who hasn't upgraded his PC in 11, yes 11 years.
These videos are invaluable.
My PC finally bit the dust, but rather then repairing it I've decided to build a new one, myself this time.
After about 1 month of research, I think I'm finally ready to start picking parts.
Jesus this stuff is alot of work, I just wanna play Kerbal Space Program 2 lol.
My 8 yr old PC just bit the dust and the prices are insanely high but it's only money.. i spent $3k on my new rig