Lion King 2 was made 17 years before the lion guard. That is why Kion and everyone else was not in The Lion King 2. The producers of the lion guard did an excellent job of fitting the show into the continuity of the franchise. And Vitani was kovu's older sister.
Right. Vitani was the first lion guard leader that wasn’t the younger sibling of the heir to the Pride Lands not to mention the first one not born into royalty.
The entire lion guard was just made to bring it back, including Kion, but! The writers were definitely smart enough to know how to write the story as if it seems like Kion would of fit in with the lion king 2 story. So cuddos to them for the good writing work. I would love to see actual movies or series expanding on more of the lion king
@SimbasGuardWT That's not true, The producers may do a good job on it trying to fit with the second lion king but unbeknownst to you and the lion guard fans why many older lion king fans (Including myself) don't like it and they're saying that it's not canon to the second because of zoology errors (Particularly some of the animal habitats including the gorilla inaccurate habitat the infamous theluji mountains due to their lack of research), plot holes, writing, the animation and the confusing storyline.
Yes they definitely made kion up for lion guard cause otherwise I don’t think they would wait 17 years to introduce him to lion king universe but I still view lion guard as canon
Short version: Even though he very clearly existed at the time, Kion and his team were hundreds of miles away at the Tree Of Life during the events of Lion King 2
Makes sense because The Lion KIng 2: Simba's Pride was released back in 1998 long before The Lion Guard was released in 2015 althought in "Return To The Pride Lands" the final episode of this series were Rafifi, Kovu and Kiara retold the story of Zira's down fall but they didn't explained Nuka's death at all.
Yea, I don't think they really worried about Nuka. For kids watching the show, he was only a comic relief character from 2 seasons ago. If you really cared about Nuka, and what happened to him, you would just watch the movie. And since you know Nuka died, I assume you watched the movie. After all, what would be the point in wasting time in your finale explaining the death of a character from one episode early in the show, when their was already an entire movie explaining said death.
Obviously Kion and his friends were simply away during Zira's attacks. Plus as stated, it was a long journey getting to the Tree of Life. And even after Kion arrived, he and his friends stayed there for quite some time. So they really justified his absence in the second movie. And btw, Vitani is Kovu's older sister
I dont think the creators actually even considered kion at all to be honest, his character was only thought of after lion king 2 it's only after they realised that his existence impuded on the story being told did they think of the tree of life plot to fix the massive pothole being created.
Also they did kinda explain that when the beginning of the Lion king 2 was happening Kion was around but he's never hanging out with his sister so he wasn't there and hadn't gotten the roar yet
He wasn’t in the lion guard due to Disney probably thinking of making the lion guard way after the realise of lion king 2.. also if he was he would most likely be a main character but the movie is revolved around kiara
I love that they knew they'd have to write Kion out of LK2 somehow, and they actually thought up of one that was a good reason story-wise. I also like to think that Kion's therapeutic healing methods were reflecting Buddhism lessons. It makes sense because the Tree of Life was located in India. I'd also say method is exactly what an anxious teenager needs.
Not really. Kion and the Lion Guard were fully created years later from concepts that were archived during Lion King 2's production So all they did was to officially justify why they weren't in Lion King 2
I like this explanation of why Kion wasn't seen in Lion King 2, over all. Think I heard, or read, one similar to it a while back. Although, there's one thing in the show, as well as movie, that throws it off. In the Lion Guard episode, The Lions of the Outlands, Zira and her lions are living in the Outlands and at the end of the episode, Kion roars and sends them to what Zira calls their "new home". (the same one they have in the movie) And during that episode, Kovu mentions seeing Kiara 'again', indicating they'd already met. However, in the movie, after Kovu and Kiara meet and their parents carry them away to home, Zira and her lions are already living there, beyond the Outlands (where Kion's roar sent them to in the show). Like I said, I like the explanation of Lion Guard's 3rd season being why he wasn't in the movie. But that episode of season 1, Lions of the Outlands, and the 'near beginning' of the movie kinda screws it up because they don't line up. Maybe I'm thinking too much into it, but I feel like I need to point that out.
@@CinemaSongscovers The third season does canonically explain what happened. Before Kion leaves for the Tree of Life, Nala mentions how she hopes he will return before Kiara's first hunt. While the guard is away, Zira attacks, and they are called back in Journey to the Pride Lands. And I never get why everyone is so stuck on Lions of the Outlands. Kovu literally says that he met Kiara "a while ago." We don't know whether the termite mound in that episode was the same one or whether Zira was being sarcastic about it being their "New home" because Nuka was being dumb by not recognizing it. The whole timeline lines up perfectly. For all we know the termite mound was an Easter egg, or Zira and the outsiders migrate due to lack of food.
@mysteriousmysterynetwork5215 , there's also part of the episode to consider when Zira says, "it may not be Pride Rock, but we call it home." (and I could be paraphrasing that, but it's pretty much the line) And they're in the Outlands, not beyond like the end of the episode. Again, I may be thinking a little too much into it, but like I said (again) I like this explanation overall. Plus, I'm OCD, so I tend to have a keen eye for details and such. I'm not As OCD as I used to be, though, but still.
@@CinemaSongscovers Well, you also have to remember that she spent the entire episode lying to Kion to try and get him to join her side. It makes sense she wouldn't risk telling her enemy's son where she lives. And then remember where she took him. That was the same place Scar met the strange lion and it was where the skinks lured Beshte in Swept Away. Zira was just lying to Kion to lure him into an ambush.
Um, scar would obviously be king if his brother died, that's why scar killed him in the first place, duh! Sarabi isn't part of the royal family and is only related by marriage.
@@SzalonakamiIf they had a heir before it no. But if no then yes he will lose his place and Kion will become king but I don't see how that's possible as Kion is the King of Tree of Life
Yeah theory wise it makes perfect sense when the Lion guard first came out, I'm sure loads of Lion King fans had the same question and sure enough the creators answered those questions. But that also leads us to believe that Scar himself, had never truely mastered the roar and if he had continued the path of good, instead of being corrupted, he would have been the next King of the Tree of Life and Mufasa would have been alive for longer and the story would have gone completely differently.
I know you usually don’t do the kind of video that I am just suggesting, but after how all of this work has turned out, you should do What if Kion never gets his scar.
Always felt like Kion’s existence soured Kiara’s story and her impact. Wish Simba was just a girl dad and Kiara was always destined to be queen as a only child. Just made it so much better imo. Kion should’ve been a prequel story before simba or just his own character. Wasted opportunity tbh.
They didn’t mention him in the movie because it was made way before they even thought of The Lion Guard as being a thing. They just managed to find a way to fit his absence into the show.
At the tree of life because they said be back in like oh by Ciara’s first hunt and he definitely wasn’t back by there first time because look at the end and he was just getting back
For the ones who don't wanna see the viedeo: He was not there because of the scare that would make him evil ono hurt his eyes so they walked to the tree of live to get healed they got there and he got healed all while the lion king 2 Btw kovu got the scare in the movie when they came back he had the scare in the in the series on the end so that was why
Your theory is definitely correct because when they returned to the pride lands, they mentioned what happened which was exactly what did happen in lion King two
@@Flowesomecat if kiara was a male lion she would have a long mane but she does not because she is a lioness but kion somehow does not have a long mane even through he is a male lion
They should just remake the 2nd movie or something to include Kion and better establish him in actual canon imo. He wasn’t even a concept at the time of the 2nd movie so there’s no mention of him or anything. The closest we had to him was Kopa, a non canon firstborn child from some little story book that fans theorized and headcanonized as having nearly been killed by Zira, only to return years later.
Kion actually was a concept that was made later during Lion King's 2 pre-production. But, it was then archived since the movie was well underway, so they couldn't simply add it
@@alpha34098 Huh… first time I’ve ever seen this stated. They should’ve made little video extras or something to say that he existed then. Making a show about him all those years later made it seem like they were just milking the franchise imo.
@Film Secrets This show was just made up and I agreed. Despite what defenders of the lion guard (Especially what SimbasGuardWT) are saying and believing that the show is canon as they've got no proof and that's their opinions, As a diehard and longtime lion king fan myself I really don't think the lion guard is canon to lion king 2 as Ford Riley (The creator of the show) wasn't even involved with the movie at the time during the 1990's), He was a writer for the franchise's first television show Timon & Pumbaa (1995 - 1999) that premiered on both Disney Channel and and Toon Disney and unlike that show that was made for kids, teens and young adults, this one was obscurely instead made for preschoolers/toddlers on Disney Junior and the show here despite being a prequel contains many zoology errors, plot holes, inaccuracies, timeline issues and other mistakes Disney did (Which lion guard fans including SimbasGuardWT are extremely clueless and oblivious to). Excluding the characters of the show were at the least good and decent Kion and the rest (Despite not being based on further Shakespearean characters which is of what made the lion king franchise and characters so iconic), There zoology errors like the Theluji Mountains (An infamous unfit habitat for mountain gorillas as Ford and his crew and even writers did a lack of research on the ape's actual residential native range the Virunga Mountains), Here's a link from Zoo-Tycoon-Movie fandom:zoo-tycoon-movie.fandom.com/wiki/Mountain_Gorilla#Distribution_and_natural_habitat. And the despite that lion guard is set in the famous and remarkable African continent (Due to the franchise's culture, fauna and oral traditions), there's a lot of non-African animals that they threw in there including Asiatic lions such as Rani and the night pride, giant panda bears, polar bears, red pandas and many more and even that obscure and unexplained magical roar of the elders that's unfaithful to the source material and ironically none of the characters throughout the entire show say the word magic as Disney also threw that into the franchise's lore right in front of the TLK fans faces. Also there's some characters from the show that are unlikable and annoying (Particularly Majinuni and Hafifu), Plus they cut out some of the other characters that were introduced in both the first and third films including Sarabi (Simba's mom), Timon's mom and uncle and the meerkat colony.
missed the fact that lion guard starts after Kiara met Kovu as small cubs. Lion Guard is after the we are one song, and Kiara just fully commits to future queen. It also shows that Kion met Zira. Kovu even points out that he'll get to see Kiara again. Kion though use to get into trouble a lot as a toddler, and was exploring the pride lands before Simba let Kiara go at the start of lion king 2. He was most likely off doing his own thing, and zazu wasn't there for zira with the crocs only flying by afterward on the return trip to pride rock. Zazu could have been off with lion. Also, missing the fact nala tells kion she hopes he's back for Kiara's first hunt, which is something she is working for throughout lion guard. She does the first hunt when kion is gone with his scar. So you're missing details from other points of the series, even the fact kion had his own scare with crocs when smaller that Kiara was during her first meeting with kovu. Even though it is silly people don't understand that the guard has missions everywhere, and have been confused for this long.
The in universe explanation for this is that Kion and the rest of the guard were on a journey to the tree of life while the event of lion king 2 played out in the pride lands
Rafifi Told Kion that when Kion roared at zira Zira wanted to do new plan. Than he raised kovu to kill Simba but zira plan fail because kovu know that he was wrong and he loves Kiara the both lions stop the fight And zira died in the water river
Simple they hadn't thought of him yet. Yeah like others say they did fit him in well but there was one bit missed spot. Yeah Kiara is older but probably not by much so Kion should have been in the start of Lion King 2 when Kiara was still a cub and met Kovu. He didn't leave for his journey until he was maturing, probably a mid to late teen equivalent of a Lion and again Kiara was still around that same age. Lion's grow fairly fast so the fact he and Kiara stayed around the same size through Lion Guard shows they were born fairly close together
So I hate to burst the bubble but in the lion king he was born I remembered the very end of the movie they show the female cub then the male after and at the start of two the male was in another section of pride rock more than likely doing something off screen like training or goofing off because in the lion guard he spent a good time with his sister and family before he got the scare and headed it off he also ment zera and the mate then left which the journey did take him out of the lion king 2 and came back ether two weeks or a few months after lion king two
Punctuation man, because I was getting into what you were saying but I keep getting lost. Oh, did you know that the male Lion was nicknamed fluffy before TLK2?
@@alpha34098 Oh don't worry I know Kopa (was kinda hoping the live action would've made the cub Kopa instead of Kiara since its making Scar's name officially Taka like in the books and they are loosely following the books), I'm just callin it Kiara for the sake of this comment. Personally, it'll always be Kopa to me since him dying makes since for Simba's overprotectiveness and hostility towards Zira. I just want to see Kopa at least once 😭
I like to think that Kion had a condition that made him kind of stunted in growth, hence his mane not growing as much as Kovu’s, despite Kovu’s living conditions being worse than the lions in the Pridelands. He’s just a bit younger than Kiara, so dismissing it as an age issue feels off. He also gets “married” to Rani, which feels kinda weird imo.
And if we’re gonna be completely completely fair, the lion guard series does not fit very well into the lion King movies. Because they didn’t match up that him and Kiara were siblings in lion King 2. In my eyes, I don’t really recognize any of the lion guard series as canon. I think it’s just some of that extra stuff up and practically redoing lion King two . Plus the animation really sucks compared to lion King movies
Lion Guard is cannon and yes in few years everyone knows that Simba has a son, and Kopa survive from Zira and run away, Kion was somewhere else and then he returned to the Pride lands
Don't you guys ever thought of this when kion met kovu they had the same mane level but how come kovu got a full mane before kion and also kiara was already big in lion King 2 so why is now small in lion guard,leave a reply for you the answer
Well, with the manes, I think Kion's mane was just too iconic for his character to change it. Baliyo of the Night Pride has the same type of mane, so Kion isn't alone in having that type of mane. As for Kiara being small in The Lion Guard, are you referring to the art style, or Kiara being big in the second act of Simba's Pride, but young in the Lion Guard? The Lion Guard takes place I would say about 5 years before the battle with Zira. Remember the timeskip in Battle for the Pride Lands?
Have you noticed Kion and his lion guard and Janja Jisari Ed Banzai Shenzi Chungu and the other hyenas and Simba Nalas mothers Ushari the snake from the lion guard or the skinks never appeared in lion king 2 Mufasa appeares as a ghost at the beginning of lion king 2 when Kovu looks at his reflection in the water it turns into Scar also Ed Banzai Shenzi killed Scar after Scar's defaet Simba baneshd the hyenas from the pridelands the hyenas were never seen again
Awesome thanks I'm doing lion king stories on the computer I'm currently working on more stories I'm going to look for information about the lion king on the Internet
After being bitten by Ushari and getting "cursed", he and the Guard set off to Eurasia to the Tree of Life (located in temperate forest zone, either China or even Russian Far East).
It’s because he’s the youngest so he was wasn’t there, but on the other one where Noah was meeting a lion outside of pride lands and they started dating that’s because when the lion guard was looking for the tree of life now was with the others still at the Highlands and stuff like that so that’s why Kylian wasn’t in the first movie is because he was the youngest😊 hopefully I made some sense 😅😅
Kion was actually going to be the original lion in lion king 2 not Kiara, you can see in the first Lion king at the end When Nala and Simba had Rafiki show their cub to the animals at pride rock it was a different lion, a male lion. So either Kion's the oldest actually because Kiara was also playful as a kid or Kion was scratched out and made into the Lion guard much later.
Can you please make a video of 👇👇👇👇👇👇👇👇 How did queen Janna know that scar kill Mufasa and queen Janna told Rani the story of it in the lion guard series season 3
Kopa isn't canon. The same books that he is from say Scar got his Scar from a water buffalo, so it contradicts the Lion Guard. The books were made before Simba's Pride, so when they made the movies they simply decided they wanted Simba to have a daughter rather than a son, because it would fit the plot better or something.
Disney us smart making. I imagine someone coming up with lion guard and the show is so good, but then some fans wonder where they were on Lion King 2 so they have to write a plot to get them out of the lion King 2
I do think. The theory of kion being at the tree of life while lion king 2 happened was tossed around, but yeah it was a 17 year gap the one thing is though at the end of lion king it does indicate Simba and Nala having a son because it shows a male cub being born where as in the beginning of lion king Simba pride it shoes Kiara so my theory is they did have kion they just didn’t have a role for him in that movie there is also people saying they had a long lost son Kopa
One to be honest, I don’t think they made him Cannon until they had to come up with the lion guard. There was always drawings and write ups of like the family tree and stuff like that but I don’t remember any Disney official coming out and saying that they were canon. during the lion King two movie he’s not even mentioned by anyone if he was alive at some point of the movie and part of the Royal family at some part in that movie then he would have been mentioned at least by Simba or Nala
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Lion King 2 was made 17 years before the lion guard.
That is why Kion and everyone else was not in The Lion King 2. The producers of the lion guard did an excellent job of fitting the show into the continuity of the franchise.
And Vitani was kovu's older sister.
Bro like we never know
Right. Vitani was the first lion guard leader that wasn’t the younger sibling of the heir to the Pride Lands not to mention the first one not born into royalty.
They did the same thing with the How to train your dragon tv series to used them to bridge the gaps between the movies which I love
The entire lion guard was just made to bring it back, including Kion, but! The writers were definitely smart enough to know how to write the story as if it seems like Kion would of fit in with the lion king 2 story. So cuddos to them for the good writing work. I would love to see actual movies or series expanding on more of the lion king
@SimbasGuardWT That's not true, The producers may do a good job on it trying to fit with the second lion king but unbeknownst to you and the lion guard fans why many older lion king fans (Including myself) don't like it and they're saying that it's not canon to the second because of zoology errors (Particularly some of the animal habitats including the gorilla inaccurate habitat the infamous theluji mountains due to their lack of research), plot holes, writing, the animation and the confusing storyline.
Yes they definitely made kion up for lion guard cause otherwise I don’t think they would wait 17 years to introduce him to lion king universe but I still view lion guard as canon
Well of course, this video is very accurate. Disney is genius
I dont see Lion Guard as canon. They ruined Simba & Kiara for me.
@@dennisjansson6239 for me simba actually makes sense in lion guard same with kiara
@@Overlordabc Their personality & behavior are not like they were in the original movies. They became douchebags in this series.
@@dennisjansson6239 I think Simba they ruined but not Kiara and introducing us to Kovu and Kiara together I thought helped made ending better
Short version: Even though he very clearly existed at the time, Kion and his team were hundreds of miles away at the Tree Of Life during the events of Lion King 2
Makes sense because The Lion KIng 2: Simba's Pride was released back in 1998 long before The Lion Guard was released in 2015 althought in "Return To The Pride Lands" the final episode of this series were Rafifi, Kovu and Kiara retold the story of Zira's down fall but they didn't explained Nuka's death at all.
well, it may be because nuka wasn't that important at the time
Yea, I don't think they really worried about Nuka. For kids watching the show, he was only a comic relief character from 2 seasons ago. If you really cared about Nuka, and what happened to him, you would just watch the movie. And since you know Nuka died, I assume you watched the movie. After all, what would be the point in wasting time in your finale explaining the death of a character from one episode early in the show, when their was already an entire movie explaining said death.
Obviously Kion and his friends were simply away during Zira's attacks. Plus as stated, it was a long journey getting to the Tree of Life. And even after Kion arrived, he and his friends stayed there for quite some time. So they really justified his absence in the second movie. And btw, Vitani is Kovu's older sister
I dont think the creators actually even considered kion at all to be honest, his character was only thought of after lion king 2 it's only after they realised that his existence impuded on the story being told did they think of the tree of life plot to fix the massive pothole being created.
True
Also they did kinda explain that when the beginning of the Lion king 2 was happening Kion was around but he's never hanging out with his sister so he wasn't there and hadn't gotten the roar yet
He wasn’t in the lion guard due to Disney probably thinking of making the lion guard way after the realise of lion king 2.. also if he was he would most likely be a main character but the movie is revolved around kiara
I love that they knew they'd have to write Kion out of LK2 somehow, and they actually thought up of one that was a good reason story-wise.
I also like to think that Kion's therapeutic healing methods were reflecting Buddhism lessons. It makes sense because the Tree of Life was located in India. I'd also say method is exactly what an anxious teenager needs.
Not really. Kion and the Lion Guard were fully created years later from concepts that were archived during Lion King 2's production
So all they did was to officially justify why they weren't in Lion King 2
The lion guard already explained that kion left to free himself from the control of the poison
I like this explanation of why Kion wasn't seen in Lion King 2, over all.
Think I heard, or read, one similar to it a while back.
Although, there's one thing in the show, as well as movie, that throws it off.
In the Lion Guard episode, The Lions of the Outlands, Zira and her lions are living in the Outlands and at the end of the episode, Kion roars and sends them to what Zira calls their "new home".
(the same one they have in the movie)
And during that episode, Kovu mentions seeing Kiara 'again', indicating they'd already met.
However, in the movie, after Kovu and Kiara meet and their parents carry them away to home, Zira and her lions are already living there, beyond the Outlands (where Kion's roar sent them to in the show).
Like I said, I like the explanation of Lion Guard's 3rd season being why he wasn't in the movie.
But that episode of season 1, Lions of the Outlands, and the 'near beginning' of the movie kinda screws it up because they don't line up.
Maybe I'm thinking too much into it, but I feel like I need to point that out.
@@CinemaSongscovers The third season does canonically explain what happened. Before Kion leaves for the Tree of Life, Nala mentions how she hopes he will return before Kiara's first hunt. While the guard is away, Zira attacks, and they are called back in Journey to the Pride Lands.
And I never get why everyone is so stuck on Lions of the Outlands. Kovu literally says that he met Kiara "a while ago." We don't know whether the termite mound in that episode was the same one or whether Zira was being sarcastic about it being their "New home" because Nuka was being dumb by not recognizing it. The whole timeline lines up perfectly. For all we know the termite mound was an Easter egg, or Zira and the outsiders migrate due to lack of food.
@mysteriousmysterynetwork5215 , there's also part of the episode to consider when Zira says, "it may not be Pride Rock, but we call it home."
(and I could be paraphrasing that, but it's pretty much the line)
And they're in the Outlands, not beyond like the end of the episode.
Again, I may be thinking a little too much into it, but like I said (again) I like this explanation overall.
Plus, I'm OCD, so I tend to have a keen eye for details and such.
I'm not As OCD as I used to be, though, but still.
@@CinemaSongscovers Well, you also have to remember that she spent the entire episode lying to Kion to try and get him to join her side. It makes sense she wouldn't risk telling her enemy's son where she lives.
And then remember where she took him. That was the same place Scar met the strange lion and it was where the skinks lured Beshte in Swept Away. Zira was just lying to Kion to lure him into an ambush.
He’s on the quest to the tree of life alongside his team/friends.
I think during the events of Kira and Kovu adventures when they were adults was during the time Kion went on a quest to heal his scar
Back then I thought Kiara was a only child
She kinda was until TLG, as far as canon goes.
Weird how Kiara is going to be queen, but when Mufasa died Sarabi wasn’t allowed to rule.
Um, scar would obviously be king if his brother died, that's why scar killed him in the first place, duh! Sarabi isn't part of the royal family and is only related by marriage.
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I don't think it was a gender thing it's royal blood and she just married into it
That’s an interesting way to look at it. So if anything happened to Kiara, Kovu would lose his place as king? 🤔
@@SzalonakamiIf they had a heir before it no. But if no then yes he will lose his place and Kion will become king but I don't see how that's possible as Kion is the King of Tree of Life
Yeah theory wise it makes perfect sense when the Lion guard first came out, I'm sure loads of Lion King fans had the same question and sure enough the creators answered those questions. But that also leads us to believe that Scar himself, had never truely mastered the roar and if he had continued the path of good, instead of being corrupted, he would have been the next King of the Tree of Life and Mufasa would have been alive for longer and the story would have gone completely differently.
Next king of the tree of life
How
Good explanation of the story well done 😄😄
Thankyou!
I know you usually don’t do the kind of video that I am just suggesting, but after how all of this work has turned out, you should do What if Kion never gets his scar.
Thankyou, i have been thinking on doing some ‘what if’ theories
Kion is in the Tree of life getting healed
And now he is beging used by rani
0:01 nah the minute I saw this I was drowning in nostalgia 😢
For some fans that is it's sad and they made him for the guard tbh mainly.
Another cool video I love it and also kion wasn't born yet thank you film secrets for videos every day ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Thankyou, means a lot!🫶🏼
I just thought he wasn't born yet.❤
I love this content ❤
The Lion Guard and Kion are simply an afterthought. Simba's Pride was made years prior to the series. Kion never existed in Simba's Pride
Always felt like Kion’s existence soured Kiara’s story and her impact. Wish Simba was just a girl dad and Kiara was always destined to be queen as a only child. Just made it so much better imo. Kion should’ve been a prequel story before simba or just his own character. Wasted opportunity tbh.
The Lion Guard was such a great show.
More videos about kion please
Glad they took account of Lion King 2
They didn’t mention him in the movie because it was made way before they even thought of The Lion Guard as being a thing. They just managed to find a way to fit his absence into the show.
At the tree of life because they said be back in like oh by Ciara’s first hunt and he definitely wasn’t back by there first time because look at the end and he was just getting back
This is exactly what i thought, the theories aren't necessary but okay ig
For the ones who don't wanna see the viedeo:
He was not there because of the scare that would make him evil ono hurt his eyes so they walked to the tree of live to get healed they got there and he got healed all while the lion king 2
Btw kovu got the scare in the movie when they came back he had the scare in the in the series on the end so that was why
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Thanks so much for making video of the Kion was not there in the lion King Simba pride 2 ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Nice video
Man, the producer are genius to make this TV Show canon to The Lion King 2 movie.
Your theory is definitely correct because when they returned to the pride lands, they mentioned what happened which was exactly what did happen in lion King two
Hot take.. I do like kion’s character but it would have made more sense if he wasn’t simba’s biological son and one simba adopted
Lion guard much better than live action
The Biggest reason is because the Lion Guard show was made years after the Lion King 2.
Vitani is approximately just as much older than kovu as much kiara is older than kion
do you have proof of this? i need to know so bad
Does that mean their age gaps are almost the same? Then Kion should've had his long mane then, just like kovu.
@@Flowesomecat if kiara was a male lion she would have a long mane but she does not because she is a lioness but kion somehow does not have a long mane even through he is a male lion
@@Flowesomecatu have to realize that Simba got his mane very late they even said it in the movie that he looked like a female while he was young
He went to the tree of life
They should just remake the 2nd movie or something to include Kion and better establish him in actual canon imo. He wasn’t even a concept at the time of the 2nd movie so there’s no mention of him or anything. The closest we had to him was Kopa, a non canon firstborn child from some little story book that fans theorized and headcanonized as having nearly been killed by Zira, only to return years later.
Kion actually was a concept that was made later during Lion King's 2 pre-production. But, it was then archived since the movie was well underway, so they couldn't simply add it
@@alpha34098 Huh… first time I’ve ever seen this stated. They should’ve made little video extras or something to say that he existed then. Making a show about him all those years later made it seem like they were just milking the franchise imo.
Kion and kovu are first cousins once removed
@Film Secrets This show was just made up and I agreed. Despite what defenders of the lion guard (Especially what SimbasGuardWT) are saying and believing that the show is canon as they've got no proof and that's their opinions, As a diehard and longtime lion king fan myself I really don't think the lion guard is canon to lion king 2 as Ford Riley (The creator of the show) wasn't even involved with the movie at the time during the 1990's), He was a writer for the franchise's first television show Timon & Pumbaa (1995 - 1999) that premiered on both Disney Channel and and Toon Disney and unlike that show that was made for kids, teens and young adults, this one was obscurely instead made for preschoolers/toddlers on Disney Junior and the show here despite being a prequel contains many zoology errors, plot holes, inaccuracies, timeline issues and other mistakes Disney did (Which lion guard fans including SimbasGuardWT are extremely clueless and oblivious to). Excluding the characters of the show were at the least good and decent Kion and the rest (Despite not being based on further Shakespearean characters which is of what made the lion king franchise and characters so iconic), There zoology errors like the Theluji Mountains (An infamous unfit habitat for mountain gorillas as Ford and his crew and even writers did a lack of research on the ape's actual residential native range the Virunga Mountains), Here's a link from Zoo-Tycoon-Movie fandom:zoo-tycoon-movie.fandom.com/wiki/Mountain_Gorilla#Distribution_and_natural_habitat. And the despite that lion guard is set in the famous and remarkable African continent (Due to the franchise's culture, fauna and oral traditions), there's a lot of non-African animals that they threw in there including Asiatic lions such as Rani and the night pride, giant panda bears, polar bears, red pandas and many more and even that obscure and unexplained magical roar of the elders that's unfaithful to the source material and ironically none of the characters throughout the entire show say the word magic as Disney also threw that into the franchise's lore right in front of the TLK fans faces. Also there's some characters from the show that are unlikable and annoying (Particularly Majinuni and Hafifu), Plus they cut out some of the other characters that were introduced in both the first and third films including Sarabi (Simba's mom), Timon's mom and uncle and the meerkat colony.
In lion guard queen Nila told kion to be back in time for kiara first hunt. So it makes sense that he wasn't in the 2nd movie
missed the fact that lion guard starts after Kiara met Kovu as small cubs. Lion Guard is after the we are one song, and Kiara just fully commits to future queen. It also shows that Kion met Zira. Kovu even points out that he'll get to see Kiara again. Kion though use to get into trouble a lot as a toddler, and was exploring the pride lands before Simba let Kiara go at the start of lion king 2. He was most likely off doing his own thing, and zazu wasn't there for zira with the crocs only flying by afterward on the return trip to pride rock. Zazu could have been off with lion. Also, missing the fact nala tells kion she hopes he's back for Kiara's first hunt, which is something she is working for throughout lion guard. She does the first hunt when kion is gone with his scar. So you're missing details from other points of the series, even the fact kion had his own scare with crocs when smaller that Kiara was during her first meeting with kovu. Even though it is silly people don't understand that the guard has missions everywhere, and have been confused for this long.
The in universe explanation for this is that Kion and the rest of the guard were on a journey to the tree of life while the event of lion king 2 played out in the pride lands
Rafifi Told Kion that when Kion roared at zira
Zira wanted to do new plan. Than he raised kovu to kill Simba but zira plan fail because kovu know that he was wrong and he loves Kiara the both lions stop the fight
And zira died in the water river
"water river"?
Yes 👍🤚👍
Oh, okay, I was afraid that she'd have died in a soda-river
Yes viewer 👍👍👍
That picture of Zira scared the mess out of me
Simple they hadn't thought of him yet. Yeah like others say they did fit him in well but there was one bit missed spot. Yeah Kiara is older but probably not by much so Kion should have been in the start of Lion King 2 when Kiara was still a cub and met Kovu. He didn't leave for his journey until he was maturing, probably a mid to late teen equivalent of a Lion and again Kiara was still around that same age. Lion's grow fairly fast so the fact he and Kiara stayed around the same size through Lion Guard shows they were born fairly close together
Not to mention Simba’s first born son. Kopa
Why is nobody talking about this
Kopa sadly got downed by Zira, which was the act that banished her to the Outlands
So I hate to burst the bubble but in the lion king he was born I remembered the very end of the movie they show the female cub then the male after and at the start of two the male was in another section of pride rock more than likely doing something off screen like training or goofing off because in the lion guard he spent a good time with his sister and family before he got the scare and headed it off he also ment zera and the mate then left which the journey did take him out of the lion king 2 and came back ether two weeks or a few months after lion king two
Punctuation man, because I was getting into what you were saying but I keep getting lost. Oh, did you know that the male Lion was nicknamed fluffy before TLK2?
Punctuation would help in understanding what you're saying here
That baby at the end of LK1 (dubbed Fluffy and a boy since Disney didn't plan a part two) would technically be Kiara.
@revelryinthedark No. That Cub was neither Kiara or Kion.
He was Kopa, Simba's first child who got put down by Zira, which caused her banishment
@@alpha34098 Oh don't worry I know Kopa (was kinda hoping the live action would've made the cub Kopa instead of Kiara since its making Scar's name officially Taka like in the books and they are loosely following the books), I'm just callin it Kiara for the sake of this comment.
Personally, it'll always be Kopa to me since him dying makes since for Simba's overprotectiveness and hostility towards Zira. I just want to see Kopa at least once 😭
I like to think that Kion had a condition that made him kind of stunted in growth, hence his mane not growing as much as Kovu’s, despite Kovu’s living conditions being worse than the lions in the Pridelands. He’s just a bit younger than Kiara, so dismissing it as an age issue feels off. He also gets “married” to Rani, which feels kinda weird imo.
And if we’re gonna be completely completely fair, the lion guard series does not fit very well into the lion King movies. Because they didn’t match up that him and Kiara were siblings in lion King 2. In my eyes, I don’t really recognize any of the lion guard series as canon. I think it’s just some of that extra stuff up and practically redoing lion King two . Plus the animation really sucks compared to lion King movies
Because movies are different from episodes
They’re not saying anything right
Vitani is older, Kovu’s the youngest and he was chosen by Scar to be king
i wished kion could be in the Lion King 2 simba pride
The real reason kion wasn't in lion king 1 and lion king two was because kion wasn't made at the time lion king 1 and lion king 2
Lion Guard is cannon and yes in few years everyone knows that Simba has a son, and Kopa survive from Zira and run away, Kion was somewhere else and then he returned to the Pride lands
Don't you guys ever thought of this when kion met kovu they had the same mane level but how come kovu got a full mane before kion and also kiara was already big in lion King 2 so why is now small in lion guard,leave a reply for you the answer
Well, with the manes, I think Kion's mane was just too iconic for his character to change it. Baliyo of the Night Pride has the same type of mane, so Kion isn't alone in having that type of mane. As for Kiara being small in The Lion Guard, are you referring to the art style, or Kiara being big in the second act of Simba's Pride, but young in the Lion Guard? The Lion Guard takes place I would say about 5 years before the battle with Zira. Remember the timeskip in Battle for the Pride Lands?
Id say it was both. Yes he was made just for the lion guard. He wasnt an idea yet. However they did a good job weaving him into the storyline.
Kion said see ya going on my own adventure and to find a mate
Bro he was at the tree of life
The roar is to op he could just clean house
Have you noticed Kion and his lion guard and Janja Jisari Ed Banzai Shenzi Chungu and the other hyenas and Simba Nalas mothers Ushari the snake from the lion guard or the skinks never appeared in lion king 2 Mufasa appeares as a ghost at the beginning of lion king 2 when Kovu looks at his reflection in the water it turns into Scar also Ed Banzai Shenzi killed Scar after Scar's defaet Simba baneshd the hyenas from the pridelands the hyenas were never seen again
I am working on a video about Shenzi, Banzai and Ed now!
Awesome thanks I'm doing lion king stories on the computer I'm currently working on more stories I'm going to look for information about the lion king on the Internet
He was out passively rizzing up a queen
Interesting theory, makes sense!
After being bitten by Ushari and getting "cursed", he and the Guard set off to Eurasia to the Tree of Life (located in temperate forest zone, either China or even Russian Far East).
This isn't a what-if. It is actually what happened and how they set up the series.
I DIDNT EVEN KNOW THERE WAS A LION KING 2
Kion was at the tree of life
Maybe Kion was on a long journey. Maybe he had his own pride of lions to take care of. Maybe Kion wasn't born in this movie. 🧡🦁
It’s technically both reasons he was made up for the show but they found away to make it canon still by making him go somewhere else during the sequel
It’s because he’s the youngest so he was wasn’t there, but on the other one where Noah was meeting a lion outside of pride lands and they started dating that’s because when the lion guard was looking for the tree of life now was with the others still at the Highlands and stuff like that so that’s why Kylian wasn’t in the first movie is because he was the youngest😊 hopefully I made some sense 😅😅
Because he was at the tree of life the whole time I knew it
What if he wasn't born yet during the lion King movies,
He was, they explained it in the show, he left before lion king 2 even started.
I wish Lion Guard have season 4.... and is weird how Kion became the Ruler first of the Tree Of Life when Kiara haven't became Queen
Any Kenyan or Tanzanian understood why the first lion guard leader is called askari(soldier)
If they added kion in the movie it would have made him the hero and easily crush the enemy
Scar choose kovo as his air
We fans of the lion guard will never know
I forgot this show existed
Kion wasn't created as early as kiara
the lion guard gave us a in canon reason dumbass,pay attention idiot
They def just made him up for a side story but you gotta admit his story was fun
Kion was actually going to be the original lion in lion king 2 not Kiara, you can see in the first Lion king at the end When Nala and Simba had Rafiki show their cub to the animals at pride rock it was a different lion, a male lion. So either Kion's the oldest actually because Kiara was also playful as a kid or Kion was scratched out and made into the Lion guard much later.
We all know if kion was around for the lion king 2 there wouldn't even be a war 😂
Can you please make a video of 👇👇👇👇👇👇👇👇
How did queen Janna know that scar kill Mufasa and queen Janna told Rani the story of it in the lion guard series season 3
*The thumbnail asks where is kion, the title be asking why is kion,*
*IM OUT HERE ASKING WHO IS KION????*
Kopa is the first son of Simba and Nala
Kiara the second daughter
Kion the third son
It's better to not talk about kopa bcz we don't know he really exists or not
I've read the books where Kopa originates from.
@@naveedahmed9574 Yeah. The fanfic people are kind of obsessive.
Kopa isn't canon. The same books that he is from say Scar got his Scar from a water buffalo, so it contradicts the Lion Guard. The books were made before Simba's Pride, so when they made the movies they simply decided they wanted Simba to have a daughter rather than a son, because it would fit the plot better or something.
Disney us smart making. I imagine someone coming up with lion guard and the show is so good, but then some fans wonder where they were on Lion King 2 so they have to write a plot to get them out of the lion King 2
I'm still waiting for that for the Lion King 2
This doesn’t explain how Zira was alive in the Lion Guard though
He was in a mission to get help from the tree of life
There is an episode that shows kion meeting zira, and vitani is actually older than kovu
I do think. The theory of kion being at the tree of life while lion king 2 happened was tossed around, but yeah it was a 17 year gap the one thing is though at the end of lion king it does indicate Simba and Nala having a son because it shows a male cub being born where as in the beginning of lion king Simba pride it shoes Kiara so my theory is they did have kion they just didn’t have a role for him in that movie there is also people saying they had a long lost son Kopa
Lion was at the Tree of Life when Lion King 2 happened he came back after End the of Lion King 2
It’s all shown in the last Lion Guard episode
KION, was at the Tree of Life.
One to be honest, I don’t think they made him Cannon until they had to come up with the lion guard. There was always drawings and write ups of like the family tree and stuff like that but I don’t remember any Disney official coming out and saying that they were canon. during the lion King two movie he’s not even mentioned by anyone if he was alive at some point of the movie and part of the Royal family at some part in that movie then he would have been mentioned at least by Simba or Nala
And why do we see 2 cheetahs in the exile scene are they fuli’s parents?
I have a weird thought imagine if lions could stand on their hind legs for a few minutes
He was at the tree of life