Missiles also have use-by date to consider. Their propellant has a defined shelf life and flight performance can become erratic if a missiles life span is ignored. So being able to use these missiles now instead of jealously hoarding them does make sense.
Unless we’re getting into another conflict or if they were going to be gifted to Ukraine or sold to another country, it’s not much use to just keep them in storage.
Look at it this way, the cost is born by tax revenues ! The learning curve of using these missiles in a Red Hot Military environment is priceless, The cost of Illegal Immigrants in Hotels is costing £ 8 million every twenty four hours of EVERY DAY ! So, In just one week We will Have spent more money on illegal immigrants in hotels Than the cost of 56 ( £million pound )defence Air defence Rockets fired from ships Defending World shipping Trade ! .. One costing is in £ Million’s the other is in £ Billions 🤡, just my opinion,
@@ac1455 you can’t gift the missiles without any means of controlling them. Ie they require radar and computer systems and you need to train people to use them and Ukraine doesn’t have a navy anymore.
True, but I think that the OP meant missiles and ammunition in general. Many of the people who are against the West arming Ukraine use the argument that their countries are wasting taxpayer money by giving various munitions to that country without realizing that, as was stated by others, they have a use-by date. After that date much of it gets destroyed. @@Rob-vv5yn
I find it incredible that they are replacing miniguns with a 50 cal browning. The same gun they've been using on ships for nearly a century, literally one of the most battle tested. A great choice over what is probably a very high maintenance gun.
the intended targets of the auxiliary guns onboard ships are often small fast boats a 50 cal has more range stopping power and better down range accuracy at range the 7.62mm is good for stopping a person but may prove to be somewhat lacking if your talking about taking out a boat.
It's incredible how long that M2 Browning HMG hangs around -- I believe it's over 100 years now, albeit with a few upgrades. Much credit to Mr. Browning.
And replacing a minigun as well. I'm guessing they learnt the hard way that a high precision, highly sensitive electrically powered weapon system is a terrible replacement from what is probably one of the most battle tested and sea worthy guns ever made.
@@sam23696 problem with the mini guns there using is that its a 7.62mm caliber the 50 cal simply pack more punch and range the caliber is more suited against human targets rather then small boats unlike the 50cal that was develop as anti material caliber plus the m2 will last longer and be cheaper to maintain what is there not to like more range more power and cheaper to maintain.
Yeah I found it odd when they said that the 7.62 mini-guns are being replaced with Browning .50 cals, much slower rate of fire and a bulkier piece of kit but no denying the range of .50 and the reliability of the thing.
Well done the Navy for doing what its designed for - protecting UK interests on the high seas. Trade through this region is vital to the global economic health including the UKs. These UK missiles may be expensive but they have done their job and the ships they are protecting are a heck of a lot more exoensive. On top of that, the combat experience dealing with multiple targets is priceless. These ships have never been tested in combat like that so this is actually a great opportunity to gain experience and data. As for folks saying these are under armed for anti ship and land targets, well thats why it operates in conjunction with other vessels including subs. These ships could be protecting carriers so live combat air defense testing is actually a great opportunity.
They are protecting commercial ships from attack, If they don't protect them they will avoid using the Suez Canal increasing delivery time by weeks and the delivery costs go through the roof. And ontop of that protect the lives of crew onboard these boats. @FarTooRight
@FarTooRightprotecting out commercial ships that use those waters to transport oil and goods. if they don’t protect those waters and shipping lanes are blocked prices will start rising, not just in the UK but across the world
@@JimCarner Yes we do. what do you think an aircraft carrier is the elizabeth and prince of wales? We have boats that carry marines and subs with ballistic missiles and nuclear ballistic missiles. The diamond can hit land targets as well but it's made mainly for warfare at sea and taking out air attacks on the navy
@@JimCarnerthe purpose of a destroyer, particularly in the modern British Navy, is to serve as a screen for Aircraft Carriers, not to attack ground targets. The Carriers attack ground targets, the Destroyers stop the Carrier getting attacked.w
its not the cost its the number T45 has only 48 VLS that can not be reloaded at sea with 21 targets in a day even 1v1 its dry in 3 days sure the US ships have more VLS but at this rate they are all in trouble
I have a suspicion that the bases firing these weapons are shortly going to get a visit from a group of short blokes with British accents and anger issues, lol
Flying the Union Jack, she's clearly a Well Armed, Dangerous opponent manned by a crew with 400 and more years of winning naval tradition behind them. I would Not like to tangle with her. As an American admirer of the UK, I think the Houthi's might regret tangling with her. These actions will give the service and the weapons manufacturers valuable information of the practical strengths and weaknesses of the weapons.
@@Mmjk_12 The Harpoons are gone - given to Ukraine - only the Frigates have them. No NSMs to replace them in sight, no Sea Ceptor either - Type 45s are a sitting duck against close in attack. At least Diamond and Duncan have DS30 - that's some comfort.
@@Mmjk_12 England build the best anti air only destroyer that is perfect for anti air and anti missle but cant do anything else ... it has almost 0 anti sub and anti ship ability even less then a corvette to be honest.
We have plenty of land airbases in the region, as do the Yanks, and they have two supercarriers as well. If we decide to stop war dodging, get in the mixer, and go on the offensive, it will be the RAF doing the heavy hitting.
As an emergency wartime fitment the Royal Navy should be bolting on a ControlMaster200 radar guided variant of Starstreak. Cheap compact British missiles effective out to about four miles. This will give us interim guided point defence until Sea Cepter finally makes an appearance covering the enormous hole left by ASTER 15's poor minimum engagement range. This modification could probably even be engineered at sea.
All RN ships are under armed. Don’t replace the mini guns with Brownings, supplement them. Then hurry up and get Sea Ceptor and Naval strike missile on board along with the Martlet on the 30mm systems and Wildcat.
In terms of close in gun armaments the Type 45 is pretty par for the course. I am guessing the switch from Miniguns to M2s is a cost decision, but other navies also use the M2 rather than the Minigun for the heavy MG category.
Forces news is naturally biased, they can’t help it otherwise they wouldn’t be given any access. And how can we trust the dwindling numbers of equipment and woke personnel, that our deceitful government is in control of?
This government is like your broke friend who keeps borrowing money from you because "times are rough", then he comes home with cool expensive toys like this.
How do those drones stay in the air when painted with fire control radar? When we have life firing exercises ans airbus is supplying 250k € Drones most fall out of the sky when the radar fries their internals
They did try a saturation attack but unfortunately the response they got was a hammering from the US and UK resulting in most of their missiles and drones stock being destroyed as well as their command and control infrastructures! 😅
It's a shame the missile capacity is so low. Not enough air defence missile and no land attack capability from the VLS. The Arleigh Burke's can carry over 90 air defence missiles and can fire TLAM from the VLS, whereas we're at pretty much half that. CAMM isn't going to increase it by enough. Not with how threats are evolving with drone swarms supplementing missile attacks. It's a shame we didn't go with the Mk41 VLS so we could carry TLAM and SM3. We should definitely be adopting the Aster-30 Block 1NT with us not taking Mk41 so we at least have SM3 like capability.
But RN ships have better trained and motivated sailors and officers plus hundreds of years of tradition than the USN, the RN existed longer than the USN. USN on paper is the largest but in the real life RN is better.
@@ramal5708USN has 1000x more modern combat experience. The USN would wipe the floor with the RN, the entire RN is smaller than one US fleet and we’ve got like 10 of them
@@fh511 RN has Falklands war experience to boot, what's the USN had, Vietnam? (No large use of missiles and electronic warfare yet), Praying Mantis?, Gulf War? I mean they almost lost USS Cole to suicide boat in 2000, USS Stark to Exocet in late 80s, shot down a civilian airliner with an AEGIS cruiser. The British had more experience in a real war, the US had overrated combat systems in the old Aegis, PAAMS is 10x better and British sailors and officers are well trained to man their ships, Type 45 also is better ships class overall in stealth, sensors, electronics and weapons than 80s-90s designed Arleigh Burke, we're in 21st century and Type 45 is one. Aster missiles series just needs to be developed more to have the same capabilities as Standard missiles series, I mean Aster missiles are newer than the 1960s designed Standard missiles. Also what's more important RN has centuries old of great cultural significance, from sailing ships, dreadnoughts to guided missile warships, the USN just existed in the 1770s.
@fh511 war of 1812 The Battle of Lacolle Mills 500 Brits V 4000 Americans British victory Battle of Crysler's Farm 900 British V 8000 Americans British victory 200 of you got done in by 25 native Americans at the battle of Brownstown. You'll never learn, will you? Love your ignorance.
The Shia insurgency in Yemen began in June 2004 when dissident cleric Hussein Badreddin al-Houthi, head of the Zaidi Shia sect, launched an uprising against the Yemeni government. The Yemeni government alleged that the Houthis were seeking to overthrow it and to implement Shī'ite religious law. The rebels countered that they were "defending their community against discrimination" and government aggression
WEAKNESS KILLS, projecting weakness will only encourage the enemy to cross more and more lines, until they cross one that cannot be crossed, and then, far more people will end dying.
Enemy? What has the Yemeni people done to UK citizens ? AFAIK, they're not responsible for knife crime, inflation or lack of jobs in the UK. Leave the middle east alone while your crewmen still draw breath. This is not your fight.
This is why the US has an out of control gun problem, where the total number of people killed each year by guns (44,000) is about equal to the troops killed in Vietnam (50,000). It is also why there’s a nuclear arms race. It is NOT a legitimate or logical argument when taken to its logical conclusion.
@@MoltenGriefing I have argued something similar, especially when fitted to specialist vessels like the T45 and T26 frigate. It's hard to imagine either being risked in a naval gunfire support role. That said, I am certainly no expert and I have heard arguments in their favour.
@@bobthebomb1596 Remember the Falklands. Frigates and destroyers were both risked to support soldiers going ashore. So their specialty matters not, it depends on operational need.
The gatlings are cool, but they need power to operate, eat ammo like crazy, are more mechanically complex (higher failure rate), and have a shorter range than the Brownings. Also less punch on a per-round basis, which may matter if the target is armored/has a thick hull.
I’m picking at some stage the UKs missile supply will be depleted at this rate, what’s the rate if manufacture, if it’s like storm shadows the supplier just can’t suddenly triple production suddenly. I presume they are using more missiles than cheaper weapons as often the incoming drones and missiles will be likely most of the time out of range of these systems.
I think you mean warship. Don’t worry, ship names don’t really align with literal English definitions so it can be a bit confusing. Warship - A vessel designed for combat. Basically anything armed and military. Battleship - The term used for an especially large vessel designed to carry large cannons with the intention of dominating the sea with its very presence. Our last Battleship went out of service in 1960. Destroyer - a medium-sized vessel often used for patrols, escort, screening and submarine hunting. The one featured in this video is a destroyer.
These destroyers are big boats As I said to one of our admirals, when a sailor carries his kit aboard the vessel from the quay at high tide, it should count as at least part of a fitness test!
That'll be the UK out of its 2024 military budget then. Also, no one outside of the colonies knows about cricket. Maybe that's where you've been going wrong.
Yes it is sustainable. Just to operate this ship costs a lot. No gain from letting few missiles to get old and get replaced. If military fulfils its function i.e. project the power, etc. Then job well done. Most militaries are not shooting their arsenal in anger, but in training. And still they are funded, cause they fulfil their purpose. So much more a warship which is using its arsenal to secure shipping lanes. So yes, it is sustainable.
@JimCarner This is called learning. Very valuable experience. Now there is hard data to lean on. Insane? sure, sanity was never militaries strong side. Effective? oh yes. And that is what matters.
you wouldnt be worrying about the cost of missiles v drones if them shipping lanes keep getting disrupted 🤣 you would be worrying more about the cost of living and i highly doubt they are firing missiles at drones 🤣
At 39 seconds in, the view of the radome made me think of the Daleks. I hope I'm not alone in my opinion, and also hope that the design really was a nod to Dr. Who.
It’s seems like adding Ranger class magazine ships with moduler air defense packages to partner with the type 45 destroyers wouldn’t be a huge problem. The Sampson radar is the key to that system, it just needs more ammunition for sustained engagements.
"Fit CIWS guns" That ship already has the Phalanx CIWS. SOYCE: Wikipedia. Since the end of FY 2015, the US Navy has upgraded all Phalanx systems to the Block 1B variant. In addition to the FLIR sensor, the Block 1B incorporates an automatic acquisition video tracker, optimized gun barrels (OGB), and Enhanced Lethality Cartridges (ELC) for additional capabilities against asymmetric threats such as small maneuvering surface craft, slow-flying fixed and rotary-winged aircraft, and unmanned aerial vehicles. The FLIR sensor improves performance against anti-ship cruise missiles, while the OGB and ELC provide tighter dispersion and increased "first-hit" range; the Mk 244 ELC is specifically designed to penetrate anti-ship missiles with a 48 percent heavier tungsten penetrator round and an aluminum nose piece. Another system upgrade is the Phalanx 1B Baseline 2 radar to improve detection performance, increase reliability, and reduce maintenance. It also has a surface mode to track, detect, and destroy threats closer to the water's surface, increasing the ability to defend against fast-attack boats and low-flying missiles. As of 2019, the Baseline 2 radar upgrade has been installed on all U.S. Navy Phalanx system-equipped vessels. The CIWS is designed to be the last line of defense against anti-ship missiles. Due to its design criteria, its effective range is very short relative to the range of modern ASMs, from 1 to 5 nautical miles (2 to 9 km). The gun mount moves at a very high speed and with great precision. The system takes minimal inputs from the ship, making it capable of functioning despite potential damage to the ship. Like the naval (1B) version, Centurion uses Ku-band radar and FLIR to detect and track incoming projectiles, and is also capable of engaging surface targets, with the system able to reach a minus-25-degree elevation.The land based Centurion version is reportedly capable of defending a 0.5 sq mi (1.3 km2) area. One major difference between the land- and sea-based variants is the choice of ammunition. Whereas naval Phalanx systems fire tungsten armor-piercing rounds, the C-RAM uses the 20-mm HEIT-SD (High-Explosive Incendiary Tracer, Self-Destruct) ammunition, originally developed for the M163 Vulcan Air Defense System.These rounds explode if they impact a target, but if they miss they self-destruct on tracer burnout, greatly reducing the risk of collateral damage from misses.@@JimCarner
At only 48 cells, she's going to run out real quick. Definitely one of the more naive decisions when designing the T45 was choosing such a low cell count.
Well I mean, not really a naive decision as unit cost was a consideration when it comes to these designs. Adding more cells would've made the unit cost of each destroyer more costly to construct.
BAE's APKWS laser guided rockets might also be added in that they are much less expensive that a typical guided missile. One might Google Ground-launched precision with the APKWS® laser-guided rocket l BAE Systems
Great ship the problem is the UK has only sent one to cover the Red Sea and save the container ships from being sunk and the order for the other new ships of the same type was cancelled by the UK Gov. Also these same ships are needed to protect the new aircraft carriers when they are at sea.
Imagine if we had built units 7&8 of the D class… When Diamond is relieved to replenish her VLS, we done have another T-45 available to fill in - that’s why we have sent 2 T-23s with Sea Ceptor - a great weapon but much less capable than Aster, however good enough against subsonic cruise missiles and drones which are the primary threats. Luckily the Houthi ballistic missiles have shown zero capability to strike moving targets at sea.
ante emp ,? torpedo ?, anti scalar that travels at 7x around the globe per second and can completely SHUTDOWN ANY ELC TRICAL ENERGY . OR TOTALLY DESTOY AND BLOW UP ANY STORED ENERGY OR COMBUSTABLES ?
Those 30mm Oerlikon cannons could do with a little protection, drones can be air burst these days. I know they’re uncrewed but an airburst could easily damage the weapon.
Are you just taking a stab in the dark here? Why make stuff up? Two of the 6 ships have been through the power improvement program, HMS Daring and Dauntless. HMS Dragon is the only ship currently undergoing the upgrade. HMS Diamond shown in the video has yet to go through it. The issue is well known nowadays so they can work around it, which is why they're happy to deploy Diamond despite not yet undergoing those improvmements.
It's a shame Cameron's government cancelled the RADAR guided 4.5 inch gun smart airburst mode which could have been dealing with these drone threats cheaply with a replenishable-at-sea asset. Penny-pinching that has cost us millions already.
They got the American aircraft Carrier strike group to shoot down drones. Their job is to shoot down missiles. They know If it's a drone or a missile💪🏾
Britain is withdrawing its destroyer from the Red Sea because it was subject to 3 different attack from Yemen, the destroyer previously been fired at several times by missiles and drones from yemen who also claimed to have damaged the vessel. But Britain is removing it due technical reason cos the ship cant coup with the Yemeni missiles. These ship are obsolete since they built, their technical problems is immense rendering them to be more in harbour for rectification of defect than being operational, they are useless in the gulf region in summer, they cant coup with heat, but if they works they are good, and we talking of 4th stronger navy in their world wawooooooo.
Missiles also have use-by date to consider. Their propellant has a defined shelf life and flight performance can become erratic if a missiles life span is ignored. So being able to use these missiles now instead of jealously hoarding them does make sense.
Unless we’re getting into another conflict or if they were going to be gifted to Ukraine or sold to another country, it’s not much use to just keep them in storage.
Look at it this way, the cost is born by tax revenues ! The learning curve of using these missiles in a Red Hot Military environment is priceless, The cost of Illegal Immigrants in
Hotels is costing £ 8 million every twenty four hours of EVERY DAY ! So, In just one week We will Have spent more money on illegal immigrants in hotels Than the cost of 56 ( £million pound )defence Air defence Rockets fired from ships Defending World shipping Trade ! ..
One costing is in £ Million’s the other is in £ Billions 🤡, just my opinion,
@@ac1455 you can’t gift the missiles without any means of controlling them. Ie they require radar and computer systems and you need to train people to use them and Ukraine doesn’t have a navy anymore.
True, but I think that the OP meant missiles and ammunition in general. Many of the people who are against the West arming Ukraine use the argument that their countries are wasting taxpayer money by giving various munitions to that country without realizing that, as was stated by others, they have a use-by date. After that date much of it gets destroyed. @@Rob-vv5yn
@@semperfi-guy If you'd seen them celebrating Oct. 7th in your country, I believe you may change your mind.
I find it incredible that they are replacing miniguns with a 50 cal browning. The same gun they've been using on ships for nearly a century, literally one of the most battle tested. A great choice over what is probably a very high maintenance gun.
I was thinking the exact same thing. My only guess is US military wanted a new pay day
the intended targets of the auxiliary guns onboard ships are often small fast boats a 50 cal has more range stopping power and better down range accuracy at range the 7.62mm is good for stopping a person but may prove to be somewhat lacking if your talking about taking out a boat.
Leave it to the british to find the ultimate defense against cricket balls.
Well you couldn't leave it to the cricketers.
It's incredible how long that M2 Browning HMG hangs around -- I believe it's over 100 years now, albeit with a few upgrades. Much credit to Mr. Browning.
Almost 100 years! The M2 has been in service since the early 1930s, and hasn't changed all too much since ww2. It works and works well lol
And replacing a minigun as well. I'm guessing they learnt the hard way that a high precision, highly sensitive electrically powered weapon system is a terrible replacement from what is probably one of the most battle tested and sea worthy guns ever made.
John *Moses* Browning
@@sam23696 problem with the mini guns there using is that its a 7.62mm caliber the 50 cal simply pack more punch and range the caliber is more suited against human targets rather then small boats unlike the 50cal that was develop as anti material caliber plus the m2 will last longer and be cheaper to maintain what is there not to like more range more power and cheaper to maintain.
All these years later and the old M2 Browning is still replacing more modern weapons systems.
@@JimCarner are those DARPA rounds even being fielded? Haven't really kept up with that project but nevertheless they were pretty crazy looking.
The MG42 still in service also as the MG 3
@@JimCarner Raufoss HEI rounds have been banned, for some time now.
@@JimCarner The UK Forces will never have them, maybe the septic's will....
Yeah I found it odd when they said that the 7.62 mini-guns are being replaced with Browning .50 cals, much slower rate of fire and a bulkier piece of kit but no denying the range of .50 and the reliability of the thing.
00:37 loved the Cricket ball reference. HMS Diamond has been sent out to bat and its guarding its wicket well.
9 wickets down at the other end though. Great rear guard on its way out but the sun has set, and its name is renhai.
A good test for HMS Diamond's missile, fie control and radar systems.
It must be interesting for these sailors to fire their weapons in anger when most of what the navy does is show its presence.
Well done the Navy for doing what its designed for - protecting UK interests on the high seas. Trade through this region is vital to the global economic health including the UKs. These UK missiles may be expensive but they have done their job and the ships they are protecting are a heck of a lot more exoensive. On top of that, the combat experience dealing with multiple targets is priceless. These ships have never been tested in combat like that so this is actually a great opportunity to gain experience and data. As for folks saying these are under armed for anti ship and land targets, well thats why it operates in conjunction with other vessels including subs. These ships could be protecting carriers so live combat air defense testing is actually a great opportunity.
They are protecting commercial ships from attack, If they don't protect them they will avoid using the Suez Canal increasing delivery time by weeks and the delivery costs go through the roof. And ontop of that protect the lives of crew onboard these boats. @FarTooRight
@FarTooRightprotecting out commercial ships that use those waters to transport oil and goods. if they don’t protect those waters and shipping lanes are blocked prices will start rising, not just in the UK but across the world
@@JimCarner Yes we do. what do you think an aircraft carrier is the elizabeth and prince of wales? We have boats that carry marines and subs with ballistic missiles and nuclear ballistic missiles. The diamond can hit land targets as well but it's made mainly for warfare at sea and taking out air attacks on the navy
@@JimCarner Sorry chum, you better stop reacting. Pure rubbish you put down here.
@@JimCarnerthe purpose of a destroyer, particularly in the modern British Navy, is to serve as a screen for Aircraft Carriers, not to attack ground targets. The Carriers attack ground targets, the Destroyers stop the Carrier getting attacked.w
The problem is we're firing multi million pound missiles at relatively cheap drones. It's unsustainable.
The cost balance is a multi billion pound supertankers and cargo not being sunk.
its not the cost its the number T45 has only 48 VLS that can not be reloaded at sea with 21 targets in a day even 1v1 its dry in 3 days sure the US ships have more VLS but at this rate they are all in trouble
@@graveperil2169 how many arliegh Burke they built? 120. How many do the uk have? 4 (ish?) 🤣
@@deanwood1338 relevance? Its amazing what 34 Trillion Dollars in debt can buy you 🤣
@@deanwood1338 73 and 6 (T45)
The stats on the radar system are mind blowing
Are they published, or "spies only" 😂😂😂😂
It is one of the most modern and capable naval radar systems in the world right now, very impressive indeed.
I have a suspicion that the bases firing these weapons are shortly going to get a visit from a group of short blokes with British accents and anger issues, lol
Flying the Union Jack, she's clearly a Well Armed, Dangerous opponent manned by a crew with 400 and more years of winning naval tradition behind them. I would Not like to tangle with her. As an American admirer of the UK, I think the Houthi's might regret tangling with her.
These actions will give the service and the weapons manufacturers valuable information of the practical strengths and weaknesses of the weapons.
@@Mmjk_12Bigger country and economy though.
@@Mmjk_12 The Harpoons are gone - given to Ukraine - only the Frigates have them. No NSMs to replace them in sight, no Sea Ceptor either - Type 45s are a sitting duck against close in attack. At least Diamond and Duncan have DS30 - that's some comfort.
@@Mmjk_12 England build the best anti air only destroyer that is perfect for anti air and anti missle but cant do anything else ... it has almost 0 anti sub and anti ship ability even less then a corvette to be honest.
Clear, concise, and informative.
As someone recently said, when are they going to stop shooting at the arrows and instead shoot at the archer?
Israel?
Last night, I believe!
We have plenty of land airbases in the region, as do the Yanks, and they have two supercarriers as well. If we decide to stop war dodging, get in the mixer, and go on the offensive, it will be the RAF doing the heavy hitting.
@@BIBIWCICC your mom**
Is that Monday to Friday and not after 5PM then?
The tragedy of war is that it uses the best men to make the worst men.
(Henry Fosdick)⚓
carry on lads
As an emergency wartime fitment the Royal Navy should be bolting on a ControlMaster200 radar guided variant of Starstreak. Cheap compact British missiles effective out to about four miles. This will give us interim guided point defence until Sea Cepter finally makes an appearance covering the enormous hole left by ASTER 15's poor minimum engagement range. This modification could probably even be engineered at sea.
All RN ships are under armed. Don’t replace the mini guns with Brownings, supplement them. Then hurry up and get Sea Ceptor and Naval strike missile on board along with the Martlet on the 30mm systems and Wildcat.
In terms of close in gun armaments the Type 45 is pretty par for the course. I am guessing the switch from Miniguns to M2s is a cost decision, but other navies also use the M2 rather than the Minigun for the heavy MG category.
Not much difference between sea viper and sea ceptor.
When they only get used once a decade, it does not really matter.
@@01aldouk I believe you can quad pack the sea ceptor in the same space as 1x aster missile
Huge difference. You can quad pack CAMM, instead of just 48 Aster 15/30. @@01aldouk
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Forces news is naturally biased, they can’t help it otherwise they wouldn’t be given any access.
And how can we trust the dwindling numbers of equipment and woke personnel, that our deceitful government is in control of?
So 3 years production fired in a few minutes
This government is like your broke friend who keeps borrowing money from you because "times are rough", then he comes home with cool expensive toys like this.
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🤦 oh dear@@JimCarner
@@JimCarner it doesn't get much better than the Elizabeth fleet mate......
State of the art tech!
What's up skid Marks?
Why are the mini guns being replaced by Browning 50 cal. Aren't they older tech?
The m2s have a longer effective range, which is preferred over pure rpm
How do those drones stay in the air when painted with fire control radar? When we have life firing exercises ans airbus is supplying 250k € Drones most fall out of the sky when the radar fries their internals
You don’t understand radar. It is not a directed energy weapon and it cannot fry anything let alone a drone’s internals.
@@teeanahera8949 a focused radar beam is an directed energy weapon.
@@chiefexxor5069 Correct. From a professional Physicist.
@@astebbin well airbus cant shield their 250 000 drones vs APAR Radar, iran seems to be able to
outstanding
Out sinking if anything attacks it.
but they cannot stop 20 men in a dinghy landing on kent beaches.
these ships has limited amount of missiles and require a port to re arm, a saturation attack can be very dangerous..
"a saturation attack can be very dangerous..' Dangerous for whom?? Those on the receiving end?
They did try a saturation attack but unfortunately the response they got was a hammering from the US and UK resulting in most of their missiles and drones stock being destroyed as well as their command and control infrastructures! 😅
There are multiple systems defending the ship, both soft kill and hard kill in multiple defence shells. Plus, ships usually do not operate alone.
Yeah this ship is part of a fleet. It’s not sat there on its own and they have plenty levels of defence against anyone trying to board.
Launching a saturation attack makes you a great target for an actually competent military
Don’t see them tryin to land a helicopter on that boat 😂
It's a shame the missile capacity is so low. Not enough air defence missile and no land attack capability from the VLS. The Arleigh Burke's can carry over 90 air defence missiles and can fire TLAM from the VLS, whereas we're at pretty much half that. CAMM isn't going to increase it by enough. Not with how threats are evolving with drone swarms supplementing missile attacks. It's a shame we didn't go with the Mk41 VLS so we could carry TLAM and SM3. We should definitely be adopting the Aster-30 Block 1NT with us not taking Mk41 so we at least have SM3 like capability.
But RN ships have better trained and motivated sailors and officers plus hundreds of years of tradition than the USN, the RN existed longer than the USN. USN on paper is the largest but in the real life RN is better.
@@ramal5708USN has 1000x more modern combat experience. The USN would wipe the floor with the RN, the entire RN is smaller than one US fleet and we’ve got like 10 of them
Sad but true.
@@fh511 RN has Falklands war experience to boot, what's the USN had, Vietnam? (No large use of missiles and electronic warfare yet), Praying Mantis?, Gulf War? I mean they almost lost USS Cole to suicide boat in 2000, USS Stark to Exocet in late 80s, shot down a civilian airliner with an AEGIS cruiser. The British had more experience in a real war, the US had overrated combat systems in the old Aegis, PAAMS is 10x better and British sailors and officers are well trained to man their ships, Type 45 also is better ships class overall in stealth, sensors, electronics and weapons than 80s-90s designed Arleigh Burke, we're in 21st century and Type 45 is one. Aster missiles series just needs to be developed more to have the same capabilities as Standard missiles series, I mean Aster missiles are newer than the 1960s designed Standard missiles. Also what's more important RN has centuries old of great cultural significance, from sailing ships, dreadnoughts to guided missile warships, the USN just existed in the 1770s.
@fh511 war of 1812
The Battle of Lacolle Mills
500 Brits V 4000 Americans
British victory
Battle of Crysler's Farm
900 British V 8000 Americans
British victory
200 of you got done in by 25 native Americans at the battle of Brownstown. You'll never learn, will you? Love your ignorance.
I thought they weren’t Rebels
I thought they were the government of Yemen ?
Don't ruin the story.
The Shia insurgency in Yemen began in June 2004 when dissident cleric Hussein Badreddin al-Houthi, head of the Zaidi Shia sect, launched an uprising against the Yemeni government. The Yemeni government alleged that the Houthis were seeking to overthrow it and to implement Shī'ite religious law. The rebels countered that they were "defending their community against discrimination" and government aggression
WEAKNESS KILLS, projecting weakness will only encourage the enemy to cross more and more lines, until they cross one that cannot be crossed, and then, far more people will end dying.
Enemy? What has the Yemeni people done to UK citizens ? AFAIK, they're not responsible for knife crime, inflation or lack of jobs in the UK. Leave the middle east alone while your crewmen still draw breath. This is not your fight.
This is why the US has an out of control gun problem, where the total number of people killed each year by guns (44,000) is about equal to the troops killed in Vietnam (50,000). It is also why there’s a nuclear arms race. It is NOT a legitimate or logical argument when taken to its logical conclusion.
@@givemelibertyorgivemedeath001that is a good point, there’s a humanitarian crisis going on in Yemen caused by the Saudis.
@@teeanahera8949 Yemen has been in a crisis for many decades, since the 1950s-60's.
@@givemelibertyorgivemedeath001 what is this whataboutism lmao stop the cope
How powerful are those big cannons on the ship
Roughly equivalent to a 105mm artillery piece but with a higher rate of fire.
@@bobthebomb1596 wonder if it would ever really get used nowadays. Couldn’t imagine them shelling the shoreline
@@MoltenGriefing I have argued something similar, especially when fitted to specialist vessels like the T45 and T26 frigate. It's hard to imagine either being risked in a naval gunfire support role.
That said, I am certainly no expert and I have heard arguments in their favour.
Watch the video.
@@bobthebomb1596 Remember the Falklands. Frigates and destroyers were both risked to support soldiers going ashore. So their specialty matters not, it depends on operational need.
So Frakkin cool
According to the news, we can't *afford* to keep shooting down drones.
Lol @ 1:50 you can't claim it's technology advanced and then fail to expand on it
Seacat aimer on the Londonderry, by hav times nd weapons changed since then 😮
Why are they replacing the mini gun with the browning
The gatlings are cool, but they need power to operate, eat ammo like crazy, are more mechanically complex (higher failure rate), and have a shorter range than the Brownings. Also less punch on a per-round basis, which may matter if the target is armored/has a thick hull.
I’m picking at some stage the UKs missile supply will be depleted at this rate, what’s the rate if manufacture, if it’s like storm shadows the supplier just can’t suddenly triple production suddenly. I presume they are using more missiles than cheaper weapons as often the incoming drones and missiles will be likely most of the time out of range of these systems.
Penny pinching that ends up costing us billions - the usual British way.
Keep safe everyone
1:17 blackberry cover? 😭
Amazing BattleShip king of the sea 💪
It's a Destroyer, not a battleship.
@@01aldouk Is it not a ship that goes into battle with the mighty Houthis?
I think you mean warship. Don’t worry, ship names don’t really align with literal English definitions so it can be a bit confusing.
Warship - A vessel designed for combat. Basically anything armed and military.
Battleship - The term used for an especially large vessel designed to carry large cannons with the intention of dominating the sea with its very presence. Our last Battleship went out of service in 1960.
Destroyer - a medium-sized vessel often used for patrols, escort, screening and submarine hunting. The one featured in this video is a destroyer.
The guy firing the Browning looks incredibly exposed. But then I know very little about what the incoming fire would be these days.
Love that they're replacing the miniguns with a 50cal thats a 100yr old design.
A complex ship
These destroyers are big boats
As I said to one of our admirals, when a sailor carries his kit aboard the vessel from the quay at high tide, it should count as at least part of a fitness test!
Did you tell that to your admiral in Angola, Blythy?
@@TheGonzogibby Your Iranian friends are absolutely useless.
Ships
@@Misterskillzz7there's often a debate about that. We often refer to our ships as boats.
That'll be the UK out of its 2024 military budget then.
Also, no one outside of the colonies knows about cricket. Maybe that's where you've been going wrong.
Great looking vessel!
The Royal navy at its best!
How much cost one missile?
Yes it is sustainable. Just to operate this ship costs a lot. No gain from letting few missiles to get old and get replaced.
If military fulfils its function i.e. project the power, etc. Then job well done.
Most militaries are not shooting their arsenal in anger, but in training. And still they are funded, cause they fulfil their purpose.
So much more a warship which is using its arsenal to secure shipping lanes.
So yes, it is sustainable.
@JimCarner This is called learning. Very valuable experience. Now there is hard data to lean on. Insane? sure, sanity was never militaries strong side. Effective? oh yes. And that is what matters.
Actually CWIS ammo is titanium not lead
What's the cost of our missiles vs their drones though?
Drones are taken with those Phalanx guns while those expensive Sea Ceptor missiles were employed to take out the Iranian supplied antiship missiles.
you wouldnt be worrying about the cost of missiles v drones if them shipping lanes keep getting disrupted 🤣
you would be worrying more about the cost of living
and i highly doubt they are firing missiles at drones 🤣
wouldve gone hard in the 1800s if it was full on naval warfare
At 39 seconds in, the view of the radome made me think of the Daleks. I hope I'm not alone in my opinion, and also hope that the design really was a nod to Dr. Who.
It’s seems like adding Ranger class magazine ships with moduler air defense packages to partner with the type 45 destroyers wouldn’t be a huge problem. The Sampson radar is the key to that system, it just needs more ammunition for sustained engagements.
@@JimCarner Yeah its easy just buold a time machine & add all that stuff so its already on there now.
@@JimCarner Its hard to do while on station.....
@@JimCarner they would need to go somewhere (Thats not the red sea or wherever the other ships are already busy) to be changed.
"Fit CIWS guns" That ship already has the Phalanx CIWS. SOYCE: Wikipedia. Since the end of FY 2015, the US Navy has upgraded all Phalanx systems to the Block 1B variant. In addition to the FLIR sensor, the Block 1B incorporates an automatic acquisition video tracker, optimized gun barrels (OGB), and Enhanced Lethality Cartridges (ELC) for additional capabilities against asymmetric threats such as small maneuvering surface craft, slow-flying fixed and rotary-winged aircraft, and unmanned aerial vehicles. The FLIR sensor improves performance against anti-ship cruise missiles, while the OGB and ELC provide tighter dispersion and increased "first-hit" range; the Mk 244 ELC is specifically designed to penetrate anti-ship missiles with a 48 percent heavier tungsten penetrator round and an aluminum nose piece. Another system upgrade is the Phalanx 1B Baseline 2 radar to improve detection performance, increase reliability, and reduce maintenance. It also has a surface mode to track, detect, and destroy threats closer to the water's surface, increasing the ability to defend against fast-attack boats and low-flying missiles. As of 2019, the Baseline 2 radar upgrade has been installed on all U.S. Navy Phalanx system-equipped vessels. The CIWS is designed to be the last line of defense against anti-ship missiles. Due to its design criteria, its effective range is very short relative to the range of modern ASMs, from 1 to 5 nautical miles (2 to 9 km). The gun mount moves at a very high speed and with great precision. The system takes minimal inputs from the ship, making it capable of functioning despite potential damage to the ship. Like the naval (1B) version, Centurion uses Ku-band radar and FLIR to detect and track incoming projectiles, and is also capable of engaging surface targets, with the system able to reach a minus-25-degree elevation.The land based Centurion version is reportedly capable of defending a 0.5 sq mi (1.3 km2) area. One major difference between the land- and sea-based variants is the choice of ammunition. Whereas naval Phalanx systems fire tungsten armor-piercing rounds, the C-RAM uses the 20-mm HEIT-SD (High-Explosive Incendiary Tracer, Self-Destruct) ammunition, originally developed for the M163 Vulcan Air Defense System.These rounds explode if they impact a target, but if they miss they self-destruct on tracer burnout, greatly reducing the risk of collateral damage from misses.@@JimCarner
The type 45s are due to be upgraded to enable them to carry another 24 missiles in a "hot" situation.
That radar system, though.
Ulterior motives need to be seen as they are.
Uh, Royal Navy? Suggest you get some "Chicken Shields" on those MGs and Miniguns. Why take chances?
Why are the miniguns being replaced with .50 machine guns?
mini-guns jam too often
The Cool Factor.
At only 48 cells, she's going to run out real quick. Definitely one of the more naive decisions when designing the T45 was choosing such a low cell count.
Then she sails away and re-stocks........Pretty good when combined with supply ships.
a) that is why there are re-supply ships around and b) its also why an extra 24 cell Sea Ceptor silo is being fitted.
Well I mean, not really a naive decision as unit cost was a consideration when it comes to these designs. Adding more cells would've made the unit cost of each destroyer more costly to construct.
Reportedly the USN doesn't have enough missiles to fully arm its destroyers and cruisers, so its kind of pointless having 96 or 122 cells.
@@PepRex they don't resupply missiles at sea though. That has to be done dockside.
BAE's APKWS laser guided rockets might also be added in that they are much less expensive that a typical guided missile.
One might Google
Ground-launched precision with the APKWS® laser-guided rocket l BAE Systems
Directed Energy Weapons are the future , much cheaper still
Phalanx CIWS has 2.5 km range not 5.5 km.
Americun airforce shoots balloons.....brit navy shoots drones....Now THAT'S progress :)
It Is like using single use gold plated fly swatters to get rid of an infestation of flies.
Plus that gun shoots down drones
75 rounds.... PER SECOND. 😮💨
HMS Diamond's
yes, it is pointy enough.
they got more cheap drones than your expensive missiles
Can it be last for a long play and sustanable defense in reality? 😅😅😅
very detailed and ac
What happened to dragonfire ? We suppose to be able to shoot drones down for £10 ??
Dragonfire only had its first test in the last few weeks, it's a long way from being used on deployments.
7.62mmm…. Bisto!
Seriously, why drone Houty more powerful 😮
Even the most advanced ship can’t be in two places at once…
Great ship the problem is the UK has only sent one to cover the Red Sea and save the container ships from being sunk and the order for the other new ships of the same type was cancelled by the UK Gov. Also these same ships are needed to protect the new aircraft carriers when they are at sea.
Imagine if we had built units 7&8 of the D class…
When Diamond is relieved to replenish her VLS, we done have another T-45 available to fill in - that’s why we have sent 2 T-23s with Sea Ceptor - a great weapon but much less capable than Aster, however good enough against subsonic cruise missiles and drones which are the primary threats.
Luckily the Houthi ballistic missiles have shown zero capability to strike moving targets at sea.
You can bet the minigun is being replaced because the bean counters saw the bill for the bullets.
It's very cheap really compared to missiles and medium gun rounds.
It probably more has to do with the .50 BMG being able to out range the 7.62 MG134 and it inflicts much more damage.
is this real by now 13 of January this ship is on fire? HAHAH
The problem is Iran.
Apart from seeing the guns and missiles work it was a pointless exercise and a reckless gamble.
ante emp ,? torpedo ?, anti scalar that travels at 7x around the globe per second and can completely SHUTDOWN ANY ELC TRICAL ENERGY . OR TOTALLY DESTOY AND BLOW UP ANY STORED ENERGY OR COMBUSTABLES ?
Can't you find the source of launch & launch your own strike ? 74+ ♠️ hunter Yorkshire expat
Freedom 🇬🇧
Ahh the Royal Navy defending our nation how ironic your hundreds of miles away while we’ve been invaded
whats the cost of a missile compared to the drone
What's the value of the drones target?
What’s the value to the uk economy if the all those container ship can’t unload their cargos in British ports?
Those 30mm Oerlikon cannons could do with a little protection, drones can be air burst these days. I know they’re uncrewed but an airburst could easily damage the weapon.
That is why the Oerlikon is the 3rd line of air defence....
Only one!!
The other 5 are in dock getting diesel engines fitted as the turbines don't work in hot water !!!!
Great Navy ?????
Are you just taking a stab in the dark here? Why make stuff up?
Two of the 6 ships have been through the power improvement program, HMS Daring and Dauntless. HMS Dragon is the only ship currently undergoing the upgrade. HMS Diamond shown in the video has yet to go through it.
The issue is well known nowadays so they can work around it, which is why they're happy to deploy Diamond despite not yet undergoing those improvmements.
Formidable warship!
It's a shame Cameron's government cancelled the RADAR guided 4.5 inch gun smart airburst mode which could have been dealing with these drone threats cheaply with a replenishable-at-sea asset. Penny-pinching that has cost us millions already.
Ya spending millions on cheap drones is not a good idea. We definitely need to come up with something else .
I swear that video at the beginning looked like a cheap video game. ?
They got the American aircraft Carrier strike group to shoot down drones. Their job is to shoot down missiles. They know If it's a drone or a missile💪🏾
Costly missiles against cheap iranian made drones. They could use auto canons or lasers
Britain is withdrawing its destroyer from the Red Sea because it was subject to 3 different attack from Yemen, the destroyer previously been fired at several times by missiles and drones from yemen who also claimed to have damaged the vessel. But Britain is removing it due technical reason cos the ship cant coup with the Yemeni missiles.
These ship are obsolete since they built, their technical problems is immense rendering them to be more in harbour for rectification of defect than being operational, they are useless in the gulf region in summer, they cant coup with heat, but if they works they are good, and we talking of 4th stronger navy in their world wawooooooo.
These missiles are just sooo expensive to shoot against a tiny drone, you need a more cost effective way.
How about leaving?
Everyone knows this is a waste of money.
Diplomacy or Royal Marines getting frisky. Pick one.
Why do they wear those hoods?
Anti-flash hoods - to stop flash burns if a missile or HE shell hits nearby.