I don't care who starts as long as the O-line is better than 31st best O-line out of 32. I think Liam has been better and he was a god-send last year even though he played the latter part of the season with injuries. If it were not for him, things would have been a lot worse. Kudos to Liam for sucking it up last year. If he starts that means he grew as an O-lineman. If he is still the back up, he will be a valuable back up considering how versatile he has been. He earned his money last year. Ryan you are probably right about drafting an interior lineman and expecting them to start is an unreasonable thought and was probably the logic the Phins used during the draft.
I love wishful thinking. However, our Oline clearly got worse as far as a starting oline goes. The caveat is that our debth greatly improved. Liem had already hit his ceiling. He is a solid utility guy. The offense did improve with the addition of white and obj. By adding obj, we will be able to eat up nickel defenses on Tuas Quick release in the flats and white running A and B gaps. This will force teams out of nickle where we were punshied all last year. We will be addressing guard in training camp, free agency after june and next years draft. Center and Gaurds are a major need for this team going into 2025 season
Kyle, thanks for this episode. Gives me a more sympathetic view of this young man. He's getting better, and I'm hoping he takes that leap to be better than average this year. GO DOLPHINS !!! 🐬🐬🐬👍
Kyle, if you take a look at the current Dolphins depth chart from ESPN (I know the Dolphins don't do depth charts cause that would deem it as official), I think that would represent the most viable prediction at this point of the schedule. Yes, I know that would represent more than the 53 man roster would accommodate but that would be the starting spot until we go through Training Camp. That doesn't include any UDFAs so we can cross that bridge when we evaluate all players on the 53 man roster. In order to not depend on going to ESPN, here is the depth chart. Discussions can be had on who actually stays on as backup roles. LT : Terron Armstead, Kendall Lamm, Ryan Hayes LG : Isiah Wynn, Lester Cotton C : Aaron Brewer, Liam Eichhenberg RG : Rober Jones, Chasen Hines RT : Austin Jackson, Patrick Paul, Jack Driscoll Position flexibility-wise, Lamm can play both LT and RT, like wise for Patrick Paull. Lester Cotton can play both LG and RG. Liam can play both Center and LG, unless you train someone else to play at Center like Liam did last year. I agree that Liam's best position is at LG. Unless Liam can beat out Cotton for LG and you train someone else to play at Center, I don't believe Liam will be on the 53 man roster. Remember, we also got a prominent UDFA that plays an awesome Guard, that can be trained at Center. I feel he is far ahead of Liam playing as Guard with natural power in the run game but needs more polish in pass protection.
Great episode, this deserves attention. I believe LIam will be a good guard after struggling at center, I've been the most critical of his center play, but when Connor got hurt Liam got thrown in the volcano. He'll be better for it. Thanks for fleshing out the recent history of Miami OL coaching and problems, and magnifying the details..
Brother said just read the title and don't bother listening to you man they obviously don't know who you are man you do your research you grind your tape you get answers Bub. I need to know your dolphins fan your objective man your professional my enjoy your content bud good job and keep it up man
My main concern for this year is backup center. If the strategy is "eh, we'll see if Eich can do better with time" we are basically saying the season is over if Brewer gets injured
I think it’s a bit odd that everyone assumes that the end of last season Liam is the beginning next season Liam - or ANYONE. He learned a new position on the fly and was not great but improved. With an entire offseason with the same offensive line coach, is it possible he can take 1 step up to capable starter? Not pro-bowl, but better than the end of last season? Austin Jackson did that, Achane came in with more muscle on his frame, etc. I think he can be better - and he should be even better as a center, a position with a LOT more line call out responsibility. Again, he doesn’t have to be great. Just good and available.
Given the historic fragility on left side of this OL being a backup is practically starting. Still hurts that we could have taken Creed Humphrey with the pick, what a draft class that would have been.
Hey Kyle Liam has said he’s most comfortable at right guard. Does that mean anything or do u feel his best position is left guard. I hope coach Barry can make Liam really come into his own. He did it with Austin so u never know.
I don’t think Liam will beat Wynn in camp but we know Wynn will get injured at some point. Also he’s the only backup Center on the roster so far. Can Butch Barry unlock his potential? Hard to say but I’d believe he’ll follow the Deiter route. Grier doesn’t like to part ways with his draft picks unless it’s a disaster. 😊
With the Patrick Paul pick feel like I’ve seen this movie. Remember same talk about Larnel Coleman 2021 pick “ great size, reach, measurables, can’t teach this stuff blah blah blah”
Obviously there can be no comparison until Patrick Paul plays and performs. However, I was only comparing some of what was being said about the two prospects was similar, and, to me concerning FYI SMH. Worst comparison in history? If this bothered you so much as to write that you may need to take some deep breaths and relax.
We don’t need a top tier OL. Tua gets the ball out in a top 5 speed, and we have some of the leagues best players at creating natural separation. Our run game is not based on power but rather speed and getting to landmarks. These guys can handle all of that.
@@BX-me4tk since we did absolutely nothing to improve the interior O line I think that he will be a starter at RG, only God knows WHY? Hunts loss is going to bite us in the A$$ 😂
@@carlbueckert3441 agree. I think Grier wants to prove his trade to get Liam was worth it. If Liam finds his landing spot on the line fine, if not I’m sure they can address that in next years draft. As for Hunt, i’m happy for him and i’m happy it wasn’t the phins who gave him that contract. 👍🏻
@@BX-me4tk I was 14 years old when we won our last super bowl so I'm somewhat sceptical about our chances every year. I'm not a fan of our first 2 picks, I wanted CG to address the trenches but I'm not going to lose any sleep over it 💤
Liam has said, “I’m most comfortable at Rt Guard.” I’m not disagreeing with you Kyle, but why did he say that? Is it that Rt Guard is wide open for competition without a set starter?
Dolphin fans should give credit to Liam, this guy from notre dame was placed on the offensive line due to injuries and stood up at all times in 5 different positions
Serviceable at best Bottom line can be Block the better 1-5 ? No The good playoff NFL teams don’t have Mediocre lineman . PERIOD it’s not about getting buy at this point i. 🛑
Most national NFL analyst based their draft grades on the first and second picks. Even the Bills that traded out of the first round had most of their chatter based on Keon Coleman. Turning back to the Dolphins, can you imagine just how much chatter the Dolphins would get only if they stuck with the traditional route of selecting Graham Barton / JPJ and Christian Haynes while still getting Jaylen Wright and Mo Kamara along with the other picks? That would have been definitely a S or A++ grade. There would be no more discussions on this as Barton / JPJ would immediately slide to start at LG and Haynes to start at RG. Liam would be a trade bait for other teams that need depth at Guard.
I agree we should have got Barton and Haynes but at least we got one ol who I think will immediately replace Terron Armstead whenever he is unable to play and he will be a massive upgrade over Kendall Lamm who will just provide depth because Austin Jackson also has injury history and he and Patrick Paul will get valuable experience while Armstead is still a Dolphin and can help mentor him and eventually take over whenever Terron Armstead retires.
Looking at the comments here and much of them are unsurprising in their reaction to the essence of this post's existence: redeeming Liam Eichenberg. I know why, Kyle. Resignation. We know from experience, Chris Grier is going to force Eichenberg on this team and fans of this team. To scavenger hunt for a single game where Eichenberg wasnt god-awful and latch onto it is simply desperation. In fact the point of sample size is to protect oneself from this kind of analysis. I'm sorry (truly for having to watch this kid get opportunity after opportunity almost no one who isnt a nepo baby would get) but Eichenbergs level of play should have consigned him to the END of the bench at best, and, honestly, to the street. It renders the thrust of the context around "evaluating his play" moot in a meritorious world. But he's one of Grier's failed picks at oline -- a predominant grade for Grier. Kyle talk about elements of play like punch and leverage and hand placement.....the kid doesnt have the play strength to be an NFL linemen. Period. Its WHY he suffers so much to execute. "Moving him around" was an effort to run from this. Its ALLL OVER his tape. Hes pushed around like a child when men who play dline want to do so to him. He bounces around in the violence of the line of scrimmage, knocked literally to the ground often times by guys hes not even matched up with.....its like a kid in the middle of a stampede of adults. We can talk about improving "balance" all we want, the crux of the matter is Eichenberg is overmatched for his ability to compete v opponents. Kyle, when did you ever see Eichenberg play with force. Was there even a single rep he allegedly won that didnt involve him simply mustering the ability to get in the way? Its wholly different from spinning his play as "playing with power not being his 'best trait'". Its dire. And were only privy to posts/conversations like this because the guy has been forced on us with chance after chance after chance (in the alleged meritocracy) because his boss's boss chose him. Yuck.
Dolphins really need two guards because Wynn and Eichenberg are simply backups. This failure to get two real starting guard's is going to kill the Dolphins.
Liam Icantblockanybody doesnt have a ceiling, just a floor, a very low floor. If he is starting at RG, Im not watching cause we wont make the playoffs after Tua gets killed.
Liam was so bad he couldnt play tackle. Then he was moved to guard and couldnt play guard. Then they moved him to center and he couldnt play center. He should not be on this team as anything more than a 3rd stringer.
I don't care who starts as long as the O-line is better than 31st best O-line out of 32. I think Liam has been better and he was a god-send last year even though he played the latter part of the season with injuries. If it were not for him, things would have been a lot worse. Kudos to Liam for sucking it up last year. If he starts that means he grew as an O-lineman. If he is still the back up, he will be a valuable back up considering how versatile he has been. He earned his money last year. Ryan you are probably right about drafting an interior lineman and expecting them to start is an unreasonable thought and was probably the logic the Phins used during the draft.
I love wishful thinking. However, our Oline clearly got worse as far as a starting oline goes. The caveat is that our debth greatly improved. Liem had already hit his ceiling. He is a solid utility guy. The offense did improve with the addition of white and obj. By adding obj, we will be able to eat up nickel defenses on Tuas Quick release in the flats and white running A and B gaps. This will force teams out of nickle where we were punshied all last year. We will be addressing guard in training camp, free agency after june and next years draft. Center and Gaurds are a major need for this team going into 2025 season
@@phinfanforeverhopefully the draft capital in 2025 can deal with the OLine and D line. Last two drafts in particular we haven't had the selections
Gotta love how knowledgeable Kyle is.
Yeah he’s very good at what he does!!!
Kyle, thanks for this episode. Gives me a more sympathetic view of this young man. He's getting better, and I'm hoping he takes that leap to be better than average this year. GO DOLPHINS !!! 🐬🐬🐬👍
Thanks for dropping real knowledge on us. Liam at LG backup is now my expectation on how he can help the team. That is still an important role.
KYLE I LOVE YOUR CONTENT AND KNOWLEDGE...GOOD JOB
Kyle, if you take a look at the current Dolphins depth chart from ESPN (I know the Dolphins don't do depth charts cause that would deem it as official), I think that would represent the most viable prediction at this point of the schedule.
Yes, I know that would represent more than the 53 man roster would accommodate but that would be the starting spot until we go through Training Camp. That doesn't include any UDFAs so we can cross that bridge when we evaluate all players on the 53 man roster.
In order to not depend on going to ESPN, here is the depth chart. Discussions can be had on who actually stays on as backup roles.
LT : Terron Armstead, Kendall Lamm, Ryan Hayes
LG : Isiah Wynn, Lester Cotton
C : Aaron Brewer, Liam Eichhenberg
RG : Rober Jones, Chasen Hines
RT : Austin Jackson, Patrick Paul, Jack Driscoll
Position flexibility-wise, Lamm can play both LT and RT, like wise for Patrick Paull. Lester Cotton can play both LG and RG. Liam can play both Center and LG, unless you train someone else to play at Center like Liam did last year.
I agree that Liam's best position is at LG. Unless Liam can beat out Cotton for LG and you train someone else to play at Center, I don't believe Liam will be on the 53 man roster. Remember, we also got a prominent UDFA that plays an awesome Guard, that can be trained at Center. I feel he is far ahead of Liam playing as Guard with natural power in the run game but needs more polish in pass protection.
Great episode, this deserves attention. I believe LIam will be a good guard after struggling at center, I've been the most critical of his center play, but when Connor got hurt Liam got thrown in the volcano. He'll be better for it. Thanks for fleshing out the recent history of Miami OL coaching and problems, and magnifying the details..
Brother said just read the title and don't bother listening to you man they obviously don't know who you are man you do your research you grind your tape you get answers Bub. I need to know your dolphins fan your objective man your professional my enjoy your content bud good job and keep it up man
Sorry Kyle talk to text I don't edit
My main concern for this year is backup center. If the strategy is "eh, we'll see if Eich can do better with time" we are basically saying the season is over if Brewer gets injured
I think it’s a bit odd that everyone assumes that the end of last season Liam is the beginning next season Liam - or ANYONE. He learned a new position on the fly and was not great but improved. With an entire offseason with the same offensive line coach, is it possible he can take 1 step up to capable starter? Not pro-bowl, but better than the end of last season? Austin Jackson did that, Achane came in with more muscle on his frame, etc. I think he can be better - and he should be even better as a center, a position with a LOT more line call out responsibility. Again, he doesn’t have to be great. Just good and available.
Given the historic fragility on left side of this OL being a backup is practically starting. Still hurts that we could have taken Creed Humphrey with the pick, what a draft class that would have been.
Could have had the top IOL in the draft this year too. Also could have had TJ Watt. Ahh Grier, please leave our team....
Hey Kyle Liam has said he’s most comfortable at right guard. Does that mean anything or do u feel his best position is left guard. I hope coach Barry can make Liam really come into his own. He did it with Austin so u never know.
I don’t think Liam will beat Wynn in camp but we know Wynn will get injured at some point. Also he’s the only backup Center on the roster so far. Can Butch Barry unlock his potential? Hard to say but I’d believe he’ll follow the Deiter route. Grier doesn’t like to part ways with his draft picks unless it’s a disaster. 😊
With the Patrick Paul pick feel like I’ve seen this movie. Remember same talk about Larnel Coleman 2021 pick “ great size, reach, measurables, can’t teach this stuff blah blah blah”
Did you really just compare a 6th rounder to a top 55 pick? Going down in history as the worst comparison in the history of the NFL.
Obviously there can be no comparison until Patrick Paul plays and performs. However, I was only comparing some of what was being said about the two prospects was similar, and, to me concerning FYI SMH. Worst comparison in history? If this bothered you so much as to write that you may need to take some deep breaths and relax.
We don’t need a top tier OL. Tua gets the ball out in a top 5 speed, and we have some of the leagues best players at creating natural separation. Our run game is not based on power but rather speed and getting to landmarks. These guys can handle all of that.
Liam said that he felt most comfortable at RG
I was just about to post that 👍🏻
@@BX-me4tk since we did absolutely nothing to improve the interior O line I think that he will be a starter at RG, only God knows WHY? Hunts loss is going to bite us in the A$$ 😂
@@carlbueckert3441 agree. I think Grier wants to prove his trade to get Liam was worth it. If Liam finds his landing spot on the line fine, if not I’m sure they can address that in next years draft. As for Hunt, i’m happy for him and i’m happy it wasn’t the phins who gave him that contract. 👍🏻
@@BX-me4tk I was 14 years old when we won our last super bowl so I'm somewhat sceptical about our chances every year. I'm not a fan of our first 2 picks, I wanted CG to address the trenches but I'm not going to lose any sleep over it 💤
Eich definitely puts in the effort and can be a solid backup in the league for years.
Big year for Liam make it or break it coach BB can help a lot
Liam has said, “I’m most comfortable at Rt Guard.” I’m not disagreeing with you Kyle, but why did he say that? Is it that Rt Guard is wide open for competition without a set starter?
We need anther starting caliber guard in the mix in free agency. I don’t know if this guy Risner is the answer or not.
Now he has a true coach to stable and coach him. Give credit to the kid
Can't we get an og after the 53 man cut?
Dolphin fans should give credit to Liam, this guy from notre dame was placed on the offensive line due to injuries and stood up at all times in 5 different positions
“How high is Liam’s ceiling?” Ever been to a munchkin’s house?
Kyle you should hook up with Curtis over at Ace Per Head doing a joint discussion would be great!!
Serviceable at best
Bottom line can be Block the better 1-5 ? No
The good playoff NFL teams don’t have Mediocre lineman . PERIOD
it’s not about getting buy at this point i.
🛑
He did look better with this new coach
Most national NFL analyst based their draft grades on the first and second picks. Even the Bills that traded out of the first round had most of their chatter based on Keon Coleman.
Turning back to the Dolphins, can you imagine just how much chatter the Dolphins would get only if they stuck with the traditional route of selecting Graham Barton / JPJ and Christian Haynes while still getting Jaylen Wright and Mo Kamara along with the other picks? That would have been definitely a S or A++ grade.
There would be no more discussions on this as Barton / JPJ would immediately slide to start at LG and Haynes to start at RG. Liam would be a trade bait for other teams that need depth at Guard.
I agree we should have got Barton and Haynes but at least we got one ol who I think will immediately replace Terron Armstead whenever he is unable to play and he will be a massive upgrade over Kendall Lamm who will just provide depth because Austin Jackson also has injury history and he and Patrick Paul will get valuable experience while Armstead is still a Dolphin and can help mentor him and eventually take over whenever Terron Armstead retires.
This kid came in as a centre to fill in for Connor!'filling in at all times
He’s an ideal backup. Versatility.
Kyle he was playing through injuries
Liam injured his calf in the Washington game and played the other games discussed in depth on the show beforehand
Looking at the comments here and much of them are unsurprising in their reaction to the essence of this post's existence: redeeming Liam Eichenberg.
I know why, Kyle. Resignation. We know from experience, Chris Grier is going to force Eichenberg on this team and fans of this team.
To scavenger hunt for a single game where Eichenberg wasnt god-awful and latch onto it is simply desperation. In fact the point of sample size is to protect oneself from this kind of analysis.
I'm sorry (truly for having to watch this kid get opportunity after opportunity almost no one who isnt a nepo baby would get) but Eichenbergs level of play should have consigned him to the END of the bench at best, and, honestly, to the street.
It renders the thrust of the context around "evaluating his play" moot in a meritorious world. But he's one of Grier's failed picks at oline -- a predominant grade for Grier.
Kyle talk about elements of play like punch and leverage and hand placement.....the kid doesnt have the play strength to be an NFL linemen. Period. Its WHY he suffers so much to execute. "Moving him around" was an effort to run from this. Its ALLL OVER his tape. Hes pushed around like a child when men who play dline want to do so to him. He bounces around in the violence of the line of scrimmage, knocked literally to the ground often times by guys hes not even matched up with.....its like a kid in the middle of a stampede of adults. We can talk about improving "balance" all we want, the crux of the matter is Eichenberg is overmatched for his ability to compete v opponents.
Kyle, when did you ever see Eichenberg play with force. Was there even a single rep he allegedly won that didnt involve him simply mustering the ability to get in the way? Its wholly different from spinning his play as "playing with power not being his 'best trait'".
Its dire. And were only privy to posts/conversations like this because the guy has been forced on us with chance after chance after chance (in the alleged meritocracy) because his boss's boss chose him. Yuck.
Patrick Paul will replace Terron Armstead when he is out.
Dolphins really need two guards because Wynn and Eichenberg are simply backups. This failure to get two real starting guard's is going to kill the Dolphins.
Everyone dumped on AJ until last year. Now they praise him. This is that year for Liam. I hope he thrives
Liam Icantblockanybody doesnt have a ceiling, just a floor, a very low floor. If he is starting at RG, Im not watching cause we wont make the playoffs after Tua gets killed.
Liam was so bad he couldnt play tackle. Then he was moved to guard and couldnt play guard. Then they moved him to center and he couldnt play center. He should not be on this team as anything more than a 3rd stringer.