If you are woke, so a marxist.... basically mentally ill, you find this book fantastic. However if you have a normal functioning brain, you'll find this an abomination. There is a reason she's a librarian and not a writer. The book makes that very apparent.
We used the Lattimore translation of the Illiad in high school English 50 years ago and the people in the class still remember it fondly. This translation is exciting and fulfilling.
could they have been translated from older written sources/languages at the time like say Linear A or B?? , thinking along the theme of Latin and the church before MLK, a selection of the story as there were over 10,000 ships so a lot of peoples stories involved, and not all written down, (the bronze age collapse)
i have heard of the trojen horse something about an army hiding in the butt of a horse and being pooped out and winning a war,but where does Homer Simpson come into this,i am so confused??????
In what ways? I’d say they were eerily similar to people of today. Some educated. Plenty of very intelligent people using the resources they had available and then some savages who did horrible things.
24:33 Why are intelligent people spending their time interpreting fairy tales? Don't we need them using their intellect for a realistic beneficial purpose?
There are plenty of intelligent people in all fields. I love it when a scholar is in love with theirs. The passion they bring because of this is what makes me enjoy learning.
@Cindy-vz7vk My fault.. I define intelligence as being informed in as many fields as possible. I don't see much value in knowing everything about 1 particular thing. I'm not hating on anyone. Nowadays we need people to inform everyone in every way possible. How many jobs are available for interpretation of philosophy ? Our education system is an epic failure. College courses on Taylor Swift??
Your question would make more sense if she specialized in something frivolous like Twilight or something, but she's basically a historian. Learning about her "fairy tales" informs us about historical philosophy and politics. Unless you think learning history is useless? But even beyond that, taking a variety of classes in college is helpful for students to practice critical thinking and improve written communication. And we need experts to teach those classes. I suppose we could remove writing and lit. classes and replace them all with philosophy courses or something. But students should have the freedom to fill out their course load beyond their major's required classes however they'd like. The market can decide via popularity which "useless" experts receive funding.
@ThatNoobie You're saying that you believe these are facts not edited stories? The problem for me is that there's no way to say what a person wrote hasn't been altered. Interpretation of someone's interpretation.. Where's the benefit?
@@jayvincent1865 You say that "the" (singular) problem for you is that there's no way to verify the historical veracity of Homer's works. But earlier you complained both about people studying literature in general and people specializing in "1 particular thing." Are we just changing the topic now? I don't mind, I just want to point out that you've completely sidestepped my earlier reply to both of those gripes. I wasn't sure about the history of Homer's works, but it seems like we still have completed texts from the 10th century CE, and have as recently as 2018 discovered 3rd century CE clay tablets with portions of The Odyssey, and before that 3rd century BCE to 1st century CE papyrus fragments of The Iliad. So sure, people could have added a bunch to the story by the 10th century, but at the very least they're still some of the oldest foundational western literature/stories, even if the (unlikely) worst case most of it was made up in the 10th century. Edit: I just realized that you might have asked me with your prior reply if I believe Homer's stories are fiction. Those stories with gods and fantastic creatures? Uh, no shit. Just as modern fiction can give us insights into today's society, so too for ancient works. Also, see my earlier reply about the value of literature classes for students.
I was shocked at 17:05 when she straight up jumped into Homeric Greek performance, hooked!
It sounds so enthralling!! I wish I could understand 😢
I pre-bought her translation of The Odyssey. Super excited for this.
If you are woke, so a marxist.... basically mentally ill, you find this book fantastic. However if you have a normal functioning brain, you'll find this an abomination. There is a reason she's a librarian and not a writer. The book makes that very apparent.
Γεια σας από έναν Έλληνα. Η εκπομπή σας είναι πάρα πολύ ωραία!
We used the Lattimore translation of the Illiad in high school English 50 years ago and the people in the class still remember it fondly. This translation is exciting and fulfilling.
one of my all time fave interviews on the pod, great stuff, thanks
She‘s the best! Great translations (and great audiobooks, too). Thanks for this „classic“ podcast
best podcast ever
There'll be poems here no? Oh wait I'm already listening to one
Fantastic!
I've wondered about this since reading the Time of the Ancient Mariner ...Rime!!
We are all in these stories.
Nice topic 🎉🎉 !!
46:10 Or ... "You will [come to] know all I am" 🤔 something like that?
could they have been translated from older written sources/languages at the time like say Linear A or B?? , thinking along the theme of Latin and the church before MLK, a selection of the story as there were over 10,000 ships so a lot of peoples stories involved, and not all written down, (the bronze age collapse)
i have heard of the trojen horse something about an army hiding in the butt of a horse and being pooped out and winning a war,but where does Homer Simpson come into this,i am so confused??????
35:47 Are we not in agreement that people 3000 years ago were ill informed , or just uninformed??
In what ways? I’d say they were eerily similar to people of today. Some educated. Plenty of very intelligent people using the resources they had available and then some savages who did horrible things.
24:33 Why are intelligent people spending their time interpreting fairy tales? Don't we need them using their intellect for a realistic beneficial purpose?
There are plenty of intelligent people in all fields. I love it when a scholar is in love with theirs. The passion they bring because of this is what makes me enjoy learning.
@Cindy-vz7vk My fault.. I define intelligence as being informed in as many fields as possible. I don't see much value in knowing everything about 1 particular thing. I'm not hating on anyone. Nowadays we need people to inform everyone in every way possible. How many jobs are available for interpretation of philosophy ? Our education system is an epic failure. College courses on Taylor Swift??
Your question would make more sense if she specialized in something frivolous like Twilight or something, but she's basically a historian. Learning about her "fairy tales" informs us about historical philosophy and politics. Unless you think learning history is useless?
But even beyond that, taking a variety of classes in college is helpful for students to practice critical thinking and improve written communication. And we need experts to teach those classes. I suppose we could remove writing and lit. classes and replace them all with philosophy courses or something. But students should have the freedom to fill out their course load beyond their major's required classes however they'd like. The market can decide via popularity which "useless" experts receive funding.
@ThatNoobie You're saying that you believe these are facts not edited stories? The problem for me is that there's no way to say what a person wrote hasn't been altered. Interpretation of someone's interpretation.. Where's the benefit?
@@jayvincent1865 You say that "the" (singular) problem for you is that there's no way to verify the historical veracity of Homer's works. But earlier you complained both about people studying literature in general and people specializing in "1 particular thing." Are we just changing the topic now? I don't mind, I just want to point out that you've completely sidestepped my earlier reply to both of those gripes.
I wasn't sure about the history of Homer's works, but it seems like we still have completed texts from the 10th century CE, and have as recently as 2018 discovered 3rd century CE clay tablets with portions of The Odyssey, and before that 3rd century BCE to 1st century CE papyrus fragments of The Iliad. So sure, people could have added a bunch to the story by the 10th century, but at the very least they're still some of the oldest foundational western literature/stories, even if the (unlikely) worst case most of it was made up in the 10th century.
Edit: I just realized that you might have asked me with your prior reply if I believe Homer's stories are fiction. Those stories with gods and fantastic creatures? Uh, no shit. Just as modern fiction can give us insights into today's society, so too for ancient works. Also, see my earlier reply about the value of literature classes for students.
First lol🛡
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