How Government Propped Up Slavery
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- In this episode of the Human Action Podcast, Bob welcomes guest Joshua Mawhorter to discuss his recent article on the role of government in sustaining slavery. The conversation covers several key points, including slave patrols, fugitive slave laws, manumission restrictions, and constitutional subsidies. Mawhorter argues that slavery persisted largely due to government intervention rather than free-market mechanisms and highlights the inefficiencies and extensive costs associated with maintaining the institution. They also touch on modern discussions of reparations and the historical patterns of slavery's abolition in other countries.
Josh's Mises Wire Article, "Governments Had a Major Role in Sustaining Slavery": Mises.org/HAP465a
Mark Thornton, "Slavery, Profitability, and the Market Process": Mises.org/HAP465b
Jeffrey Hummel, "The Political Economy of Slavery, Secession, and Emancipation": Mises.org/HAP465c
Jeffrey Hummel, "U.S. Slavery and Economic Thought": Mises.org/HAP465d
Alan Olmstead, "Cotton, Slavery, and the New History of Capitalism": Mises.org/HAP465e
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Government didn’t prop up slavery. Government IS slavery.
So it is prolonging slavery? :)
So it is prolonging slavery? ;-P
So nat Turner was government?
It made no economic sense to feed and house slaves 365 days per year when their labor was really only required a few months in the late spring through early autumn. No more than labor cost, it would have been cheaper just to hire people when work needed to be done. I heard oral histories of black slaves expressing that they felt sorry for impoverished white people because as slaves they had plenty of food and a roof over their head when many poor whites were on the verge of starvation. 21st century people seem to think all white people were wealthy slave owners who sat around all day getting waited on by slaves and whipping and forcing slaves to do back breaking labor. Those plantation owners were the one percenters. Most white people lived in poverty the poorest black in 21st century America couldn’t imagine.
People like low resolution, easy to understand and bias-confirming cartoons of things to the complex reality that things tend to be.
What were the specific laws that required the community to hunt and return slaves at their own costs?
I'm a historian of colonial Virginia history and have read all colonial news publications and there are countless notices in those newspapers of the time that state that there was a runaway slave and the owner of the slave will pay for the capture and return of the slave.
At what point did it become the responsibility of the community to bear the costs?
Was it the 1850 Fugitive Slave Act that is being referenced? If so, that was 230 years after the first documented Africans arrived and sold into slavery.
What was the profitability of slavery from 1619 through 1850 and what were the reasons forr the socialized recapture costs beginning in 1850?
Really interesting, thank you! When it comes to technology, we've made incredible progress in a short period of time. From the standpoint of emotional maturity, we've moved an inch in 10,000 years.
Thomas Sowell has argued the exact opposite. It was the proto- capitalist nations that ended slavery first.
lol Thomas Sowell
Would you give him access to your wife and underage daughter to let society know what a good whyte person you are?
Forcing the innocent to pay nonvictims for something that happened to neither of them is not reparations.
Slavery is nearly ubiquitous in a historical sense. There were three routes to slavery - war, debt and "man stealing" referred to above as a crime.
In the 15th and 16th century it was a way for the royals and their appointees to continue medieval practices in the new world, since for reasons like the plague and the Reformation, it was becoming unpopular in the Old.
Sugar, rum, tobacco and cotton are huge industries by the 18th century. So you can imagine the consternation on the faces of the captains, merchants and factory owners when in the spring of 1772 the Somerset decision came down.
The southern states have mostly received their land from the King but the northern states have had a greater influx of Protestants: so the problem is how to get abolitionists to cooperate in preserving slavery... Tell them a story!
Tell them a story about taxes, tea and liberty. The elites among them will be happy to go along - so long as they remain in power. The dishonesty of the time is preserved today in your measures: a smaller pint, quart and gallon are ideal for export to unsuspecting European customers.
It's a free country as long as you do as you're told...my dad said that shortly before he died... Gday
You can’t escape the truth: arguing about what should’ve happened doesn’t change the fact that the government propped up slavery. Nothing can undo that, and it’s time to focus on acknowledging the harm and ensuring it’s never justified again.
True
Why are sweatshops so numerous and profitable for American Corporations?
cuz cheap labor
Governments playing monetary games with fiat currency.
Because they are awesome
@@ea2631 I go into a shop, and I sometimes sweat. It's awesome.
Benjamin Powell is the resident authority on sweat shops if you're curious.
Lewis Nancy Walker Matthew Brown Deborah
So is Bob murphy a fan of the federal reserve? lolz I hope you guys post some content on here.
I think a big part of the myth comes from the still popular idea that the Civil War was fought because of slavery.
What was it fought over?
@@billhartig4805 Secession.
Under the Federalist systemas the nation was founded, States had the right to secede. Lincoln being far more Statist and a Hamiltonian, did not agree with this and sought instead Federal supremacy at any cost.
Slavery only eventually became a component as a means start an uprising while men were away fighting. It wasn't out of some abolitionist sensibilities as the unicorn and butterflies version is painted in gradeschool.
@@billmelater6470 Then why did the majority of confederate states in their declarations of secession mention slavery as being the primary reason? For example in the Texas declaration of secession it explicitly lists the "maintaining and protecting of the institution of negro slavery"
@@billmelater6470 Secession in order to preserve the trans-atlantic slave trade. Why in the declarations of secession of most confederate states was slavery listed as the reason for secession? For example, this jewel is from the Texas declaration of secession, "She was received as a commonwealth holding, maintaining and protecting the institution known as n*gro slavery--the servitude of the African to the white race within her limits--a relation that had existed from the first settlement of her wilderness by the white race, and which her people intended should exist in all future time. "
Gross, huh?
@@billmelater6470 Why did the confederate states list slavery as reason for secession? Check the TX or VA declarations.
:D
But slaves historically, not just in the US (eg in Ancient Greece or even in Arabian nomadic tribes predating the formation of a state ) they were not considered human with the same rights as their slave owners. So the idea of owning your body did not exist. At such times / cultures even parts of the non-slave population like children or women did not own their bodies. Moreover, slaves were often the spoils of wars rather than bought in markets. You can just ,assume a can opener’ :-))
Joshua needs more time speaking. he says um every single sentence and instead of giving the headline and then giving the facts, he says here is the headline. here is the headline. I need the facts. what laws were there that propped up slavery. Show me the laws. No. Show me the laws. I got half way through, and hes umming his way through a comparison of india labor to slave labor, and it doesn't make any sense, so Im going to do something else now.
Debate sounds dated and stale. We r all capitalists now..move on
Not the woke left.
It’s embarrassing how all 5 libertarians that haven’t figured this out still pretend the Cold War never ended. Globalism IS libertarianism. The Austrian school is the handmaiden of Marx.
If it wasn't for indentured servitude and slavery, we would have very few billionaires.
None of the robber barrons employed slaves. In fact, all of them accumaleted their fortunes after the civil war, when slavery had already ended.
We wouldn’t have billionaires… in the military industrial complex..
You think that because you don't know what slavery or indentured servitude means. Go be emotional somewhere else.
@billmelater6470 I think you are ignorant of finance, ownership, and stewardship. God owns everything.
What we need is another Eisenhower 1952 president who understood the threat of the MIC. Welcome to a world where bombs have a greater vote than the electoral college.
Indian labor likely would require long shipping, whereas slaves' labor was local.