One thing to keep in mind is that Gabriel now knows that the potential of the Miraculous is greater then written in the grimoire. For instance, perhaps instead of simply revealing the targets desires, the pig miraculous could be warped to *change* the targets greatest desire, turning the citizens of Paris into an army devoted to the defeat of Ladybug and Cat Noir.
The thought of what he could do with the fox miraculous is scaring me a little. Also the power of the dog is really strong so if someone hit the earring or ring its endgame XD
Getting the rabbit first actually makes a lot of sense if you think about it. The rabbit is too OP to be kept by Hawk daddy, he could mess up the timeline Like crazy so Ladybug must get it as soon as possible
i hate how much of a waist the show uses its powers. when ladybug gets the rabbit back, all she would have to do is go back to the day felix stole the miraculous and stop him- but we all know due to plot convenience, thats not how its going to go down. no one in this show has a brain cell!!! XD
@@fixymuffin9898 technically we already don't. We know a certain Bunny hero can come from the future if necessary. Even if her timeline doesn't even exist, because she herself causes it to (Cat Blance)
i think LB and CN would definitely get the miraculous of the rabbit back. because the first episode is literally called “evolution”, and i think here’s when LB gives the miraculous of the rabbit to alix and hence bunnyx.
I believe S5’s plot is going to be like the “Calculator Scenario”. The calculator is only as smart, or as good, as it’s holder, because a calculator doesn’t give you a formula you must know the formula and insert the numbers. Same with the miraculous every time when Ladybug has called upon a team of heroes her plan is always strategic and well thought out, because she knew how to use them to the best of their ability and where their strong suits were. Although Gabriel has the grimoire tablet the writers may make it to where Gabriel has plans, but they aren’t “The Plans” like Ladybug and her Lucky Charm always came up with.
I love your theories but I have one of my own for "Emotion". So we know that Felix is now the owner of the peackok miraculous so it is pretty obvious he'll be back for that episode. However, wouldn't it be cool if in this episode Felix finally reveals his reasoning for all he has done? Maybe if we're lucky we could a flashback of Emily using the miraculous? P. S. :If Ladybug punched Felix in the face for attempting to kiss her, imagine what kind of trouble that boy is in now 😬
I don't know why, but I have nightmares of Felix usurping Gabriel as the new villain. Maybe that episode sets the stage for Felix to begin his development as the new supervillain throughout the rest of the episodes.
Something curious is that Sass, Wayzz and Barkk acted as the leaders of the Kwamis (in that order), and curiously the episodes in which they might be rescued are followed one after another: 15) Intuition, 16) Protection and 17) Adoration.
Bruh as we know Trixx he will trick hawk moth himself, but I agree with barkk wayzz and sass, I would add longg he/she also said some rules in season 4, like in optigami he asked alaya "did the guardian ask you to do that" when she picked up turtle miraculous.
@@wlwl2161 as long as a Kwami has an master they seem to be unable to do something against them so I dought that Trixx can "trick" Gabriel, is likely he wouldn't be abel to. In Longg's case it was more like she could tell that wasn't the original plan to have three miraculous used insted just two, but she didn't acted like a leader to the other Kwamis like Sass, Wayzz or Barkk do. The same goes for Trixx, he actually was kinda scolded by Wayzz and Barkk in Gang of Secrets.
Since we are assuming that hawk moth is giving the miraculous to his Acuma victims, the titles could still be the names of acuma victims, just specific to their miraculous. “Evolution I am hawk moth, I am granting you the power of moving creatures through the timeline, and I am giving you the miraculous of the rabbit to aid you in your righteous cause” or something like this
Speaking of Lila we've never seen her and Zoe interact and I've been wondering since Zoe is an expert on acting would she be able to tell Lila's a liar?
Miraculous powers can be upgraded by Akumas, maybe the less useful powers could be augmented into something more powerful. For example, Bob Roth (cause he wore the pig mask at the party) might use the Pig Miraculous with an Akuma to make some kind of "dream thief" power, where he uses Gift then steals a person's one true desire for himself. Or he could use it to manipulate people into doing what he wants.
Thinking about what Gabe could do with all the Miraculous has me a bit sad that Marinette didn’t think outside the box more when she still had them. She was still so constricted by Fu’s ideas of how they should be used reactively.
I think the pig miraculous is used mainly to nullify the willpower of an opponent, kinda like the opposite of the eagle, it can also be used to show someone what another person truly desires so it could be used for emotional manipulations. Used In tandem with the goat fox or peacock it could actually be one of the most psychologically powerful miraculous
My hope for episode 1 is that bunnix just comes along and yoinks her miraculous before Gabe can do anything with it and the episode will mostly be set up.
I want to talk about Lila in the finale. So Risk and Strike Back spoilers!!! After "Adrien" (Felix) said to Lila: "I hope so with all my heart", on the train, while he earlier was like: "I may have to work with you but I don't have to listen to your lies", she seemed suspicious by the look on her face after he acted like nothing happened on the train. Also, Lila was smirking when Natalie was coughing, and I think she was smirking not because of Natalie coughing, but because she heard her state to Gabriel that Adrien is no longer on the train. Lila is smart, and might think something isn't right about "Adrien", which is in fact Felix.
Okay I have a theory that might be far fetched, but I just want to put it in. I think one of the ways Hawk Moth could use the Miraculous for evil is something similar to what he tried to do in Sentibubbler, which is to blackmail the users to join him. Only this time he’ll succeed because he has the Miraculous literally in his hands instead of on the users like Alya. This is basing off on that Twitter message about how heroes will turn to villains. Also I want to put my input on the episodes, Jubilation and Illusion. I think Jubilation will be use to uncover different people’s desires in order to create more powerful and well thought-out Akuma, or to take advantage of different people to further his goal. And for Illusion, my thoughts are that maybe instead of getting the Fox Miraculous back, it’ll be Lila’s official debut as Volpina. At least that’s what I’m hoping for so it allows Alya to shine as her civilian self than just as Rena.
Honestly I thought Hawkmoth would akumatize Lila while she’s Volpina giving her the power to make her illusion reality or some power like that. Really wished in the hero’s day episode they showed what abilities did Alia get as Rena rage.
How dense will Plagg and Adrien need to be to not realise that every kwami except Tikki and Dusuu ARE LIVING UNDER THE SAME ROOF AS THEM. But at the same time I have a strong feeling that Gabriel will keep the miraculouses inactive unless he is using them so that the kwamis are trapped; do you remember how in ephemeral plagg immediately tried to cataclysm Gabriel as soon as he took the ring? The other kwamis could do a lot of harm to Gabriel if they use their powers without a holder. Unless he doesn't know that they can use their powers without a holder🤔
I feel like when Ladybug defeats Lila with either the fox and/or the dog miraculous, Lila will first refuse to give it back to Ladybug. But, usually when villains are de evilized, there is a crowd of people with them. And Lila told everyone that Ladybug is her best friend. So to keep up the act, she would have to give the miraculous back to ladybug
I talked about this theory I thought up of on a different channel, and I'll do the same on this one. Lets say Emilie did use the Peacock Miraculous to create Adrien(which could explain his feather allergy) so that she and Gabriel could be parents, with the amok being in her ring. Although that's not what caused her "condition". Maybe after creating Adrien Emilie noticed how sad Amelie and her late husband were that they had no kids of their own, so she chose to create another sentimonster for them to raise which would turn out to be Felix. That can explain Adrien and Felix looking like identical twins. However she didn't create another amok but instead used the same one she used for Adrien in order to make Felix, which is very dangerous because amoks are only supposed to create one sentimonster each, but Emilie ignored Duusu's warnings and did it anyway. That could be what caused the Peacock Miraculous to crack in the first place, and as Adrien and Felix grew older Emilie got sicker and sicker. Here's another theory that I thought of. Basically this is what I hope happens in 'The Last Day'. Imagine Ladybug and Cat Noir revealing their secret identities to each other and confronting Felix who's now transformed with the Peacock Miraculous. However Felix reveals that he also knows Adrien is Cat Noir and is able to snap is own "cousin" out of existence(but without destroying the amok or else he'd die too), leaving nothing but his ring behind. This causes Ladybug to fall to her knees and cry her eyes out whilst detransforming back to Marinette. Hawk Moth, shocked that Felix snapped Adrien out of existence, decides to akumatize Marinette so that he can use the wish to bring back both Emilie and Adrien. Marinette is unable to resist and is finally transformed into the most powerful supervillain ever, but not before handing her earrings to Tikki and telling her and Plagg to get as far away as possible with their Miraculouses. The rest of Team Miraculous discover Ladybug and Cat Noir's true identities from Tikki and Plagg and after Scarabella(or maybe Rena Bug if she uses both the Ladybug and Fox Miraculouses at the same time) uses Lucky Charm, she realises that they need to get the Peacock Miraculous back from Felix so that they can bring back Adrien. Fortunately after a tough fight they are able to take Felix's Miraculous from him, place the amok in the Black Cat Miraculous and bring Adrien back to life before taking him to Marinette, who breaks down in tears of joy and is able to break free from akumatization before hugging Adrien tight and crying into his shoulder. Adrien hugs her back tightly and they both kiss. Hawk Moth, although glad that his son is alright, is downright furious that even his most powerful supervillain failed and leaves his lair to find the teens, due to having it with his plans backfiring and refusing to accept defeat one more time. Marinette and Adrien are just about to put their respective Miraculouses back on when Hawk Moth comes out of nowhere and snatches the jewels off of them. He then unifies Tikki and Plagg with Nooroo and takes Marinette and Adrien to the secret basement and shows them Emilie. He explains to the duo why he is doing this and is just about to make his wish when Nathalie, finally realising how wrong this all is, attacks him and tries to take the Miraculouses off him but he's able to apprehend her and separates her from her technical leg braces that helps her to stand up and walk ever since 'Kuro Neko'. Fortunately not all hope is lost as the rest of Team Miraculous arrives at the basement and starts to fight Hawk Moth but he's able to take them all down, even taking Luka and Alix's Miraculouses from them and throwing them across the room and injures Zoe in her legs, preventing her from using her Venom on him. Hawk Moth proclaims his long-awaited victory at last and has his back turned to the others while he looks at Emilie and begins to start making his wish but just then Chloe(who followed Team Miraculous to the mansion, came down the elevator without anyone noticing and hid during the battle against Team Miraculous and Hawk Moth), takes the Bee Miraculous from Zoe, transforms into Queen Bee under her breath, activates Venom and uses it on Hawk Moth before he could finish making his wish, redeeming herself in the process once and for all. Marinette and Adrien are able to retrieve their Miraculouses and Gabriel's, and Marinette(after transforming into Ladybug) uses 'Miraculous Ladybug' to restore all the damage caused by Gabriel. After Gabriel's fashion business is forced to close Lila has a tantrum about losing her job as a model and accidentally reveals to everyone that she deliberately framed Marinette in 'Ladybug' to get her expelled and become Gabriel's muse. Everyone realises she lied about everything else and all apologise to Marinette. Gabriel is arrested and charged for his crimes, Emilie has her funeral, Amelie sends Felix away to boarding school for what he did and Nathalie is found not guilty by a jury and is offered a job at the bakery. She even tells Adrien the truth about his birthday scarf being from Marinette and not Gabriel. Also Tom and Sabine arrange with Adrien's Aunt Amelie and Marinette's Aunt Shu Yin for their niece and nephew to take the Startrain from Paris to London on Fridays after school to stay at their houses on weekends, and on Sunday afternoons Marinette and Adrien can take the Startrain back to Paris and stay at the bakery for school. Plus if trouble arises in Paris while they're in London Pegasus can bring them back with Voyage. 🐞❤🐈⬛
We have no evidence to suggest that’s when Emilie used it. We know she went missing a few months before Adrien began school. We don’t know for sure when she used it
Okay, I just have to say that I absolutely love the idea of this actually happening, but then what about the other two seasons planned for the show? This plot sort of wraps everything up without anything else to keep the show going for another two seasons… I’m not hating, but just a thought I had while reading this.
I personally don’t think Adrien is a sentimonster, only because in that one episode where Bunnix had to bring the adult Cat Noir and Ladybug, we saw a glimpse of adult Cat. Which was probably Adrien because the costumes were identical. And I find it hard believe a Sentimonster can “age” and such like a real human adult. Also, sentimonsters seem to know they’re sentimonsters, and obey. Adrien, doesn’t show any signs of knowing anything, (Clearly, because she’s just a friend). However, I do believe Felix could be one. Maybe his mom was infertile at some point, (Hence possibly why his dad left), so Emelie, being her sister, created Felix for her. And the miraculous broke because of the complexity of Felix, or Emelie had to put her “essence”/energy into the amok, putting her into a coma so Felix could exist. (This could also explain why him and Adrien look so similar.) Either way, I pray Thomas trashes the whole sentimonster idea. It’s so cliche. I wanna see bad boy Felix actually use the Peacock miraculous and not just, “Oh I want it so I don’t die.” 😭🙄
100 percent agree here!!! If anyone is a senti, Felix would make more sense. Not Adrien. He knows absolutely nothing, and the theory is far fetched to me.
Feri confirmed he was one, and sentimonsters can age. Adrien and Felix are the same age - and Adrien remembers Felix as a child, and Chloe also remembers them both as children
For me, it makes perfect sense for the rabbit miraculous to be the first one back. If it wasn’t, then every time Ladybug and Chat Noir got one back, he could just use the rabbit miraculous to travel back in time to get it.
Honestly I have a personal little theory of mine where they're gonna defeat the snake villain by using the Ox. If the Ox is immune to powers then theoretically they would remember things after second chance is used, effectively giving them the possibility to keep beating the snake over and over until the snake gets tired of it or they actually manage to win
If that’ so, then couldn’t it also be used (by the villain) to remember things they shouldn’t (such as an accidentally revealed identity)after the MIRAAACLUOUSSS LAAADYBUUUUUUGG?
@@qasimkhan8939 i mean that's another use for it, but remember if the villain was akumatized they wouldn't remember anything, and gabriel wouldnt either because time was rewound so basically only the person using the ox would remember those disasters in that case
@@qasimkhan8939 we're talking about completely different miraculouses here, More like how Luka remembers Ladybug's ans Chat Noir's identities but noone else knows he even saw them. In case of the akuma victim it's just the fact they forget everything in most cases so it wouldn't matter if they knew
I have a theory with what Gabriel could do with the Pig Miraculous. If you think back to Chat Blanc, Hawkmoth akumatizes Chat Noir which resulted in his Miraculous Power to be even more powerful and I assume he will do the same thing when he hands out all these Miraculous to the Akumatize villain. With this in mind, you could easily have Hawkmoth modify the miraculous power where instead of just the miraculous showing a person's deepest desire, the person's deepest desire also became reality, but the persons greatest desire attacks them. Or you can have Hawkmoth attempt to use the Pig miraculous on Ladybug and Chat Noir and tries to attempt to find out their greatest desires as a clue to their secret identity's.
I HAVE HAD A THEORY: (Sorry was in the shower when this idea came to me and I just had to share it somewhere!) I don’t think it is a coincidence that Hawk Daddy looses one of, if not the, most powerful miraculous’ right after getting it. I personally believe the first few episodes, before Illusion, we will see Hawk Daddy fuse with the miraculous of the fox. When his akuma is defeated he would then be able to cast Mirage in order to be able to attempt to reclaim the miraculous after the defeat. However, because Ladybug and Chat Noir always check on their former attacker, they will quickly learn how his method works. This will put Hawky in a bind where he has to choose preserving his identity, but not getting the miraculous back or the opposite. This is how he looses such a powerful miraculous so quickly and decides to change tactics by using less powerful ones until he refines his technique. However his plan to intercept the miraculous’ continues failing. Here is where Lila becomes involved: She, knowing who Hawk Daddy is, gives him a little bit of sass about how many powers he has already lost. Then she proposes to him a solution. Having a different person use the Fox to reclaim the miraculous in order to let him preserve his secret identity. Making sure to lay it on real thick that the individual to do that should be her. Of course, this is a win win for Hawk, as he wouldn’t have to put himself at risk and would (Seemingly) get more miraculous back to distribute again. With Lila now a member of the villain team, Hawk informs her of all the former holders he knows as a way for her to know who to stay clear from and who is 100% loyal to ladybug. However, I think Lila will get Cocky about having taken away the fox miraculous away from Ayla. Teenagers, especially ones like Lila, cannot help but flaunt their victories. She exposes herself as Volpina the holder of the Fox to Ayla in an attempt to make her jealous and resentful enough to be akumatized. However, she is not aware of Ayla’s knowledge of Ladybug’s identity and so does not see Ayla keeping her composure and outing Lila to Ladybug coming. This is why the fox is recovered so quickly into the season. I believe Lila will tell Hawk Daddy that she has learned her lesson, and that no one would ever suspect that he would ever trust her with a miraculous again-after being so reckless with the first one. This will lead to him giving her the dog as a last chance for her to prove his loyalty to him. She will not loose the dog miraculous to her own actions, but instead will be akumatized with it as an effort to show that Lila is not working as closely with Hawk Daddy anymore. This is when Hawky begins to train her as his successor to become the next Hawkmoth. This is just my personal theory, and I would love to hear what you all think!! 🥰
This has kind of made me wonder why Gabe didn't just give akuma villains the same powers as the miraculous? Like he could give them anything? Why not? I also wonder if the Destruction Episode is when Chat finally learns about Chat Blanc.
I think people underestimate the pig miraculous. In Guilt Trip, Pigella used it to show what Reflekta really wanted as Juleka. So used for evil, think of it like Wishmaker. Yeah, Wishmaker is giving them their childhood dreams, but it revealed who Adrien and Marinette were. The pig miraculous could then reveal what a person's deepest wish is, which could reveal who the characters are. Or it can be used not unlike sandboy. They could see what the person truly cares about, then ransom that against them. Let's say (since it seems they'll get the Snake miraculous back early), Luka gets hit with gift, and it shows he just wants to see Marinette be happy or something, no matter what. So then they could send a bad guy to Marinette's house and the rest of the team could think she's in danger and are distracted by wanting to protect her (much to Ladybug's chagrin). Or, if they have the fox miraculous, could create an illusion that she's in danger. It's a silly scenario but I have to get going and don't have much time to think about it more, lol. My point being, the pig miraculous - not as useless as everyone makes it out to be!
Dawn Chorus Writes did a Christmas special story called Heart's Desire. The villain was the Christmas Ghost who exchanged people's energy for a vision of their hearts desire. Imagine Paris full of people frozen in place trapped in their own perfect Matrix, so yeah. The pig miraculous could be used for evil. Dawn is a big fan of yours, btw.
I also believe that Hawk Moth will akumatized people in Paris and add a bonus to give them a miraculous just like the New York special and Ladybug and Cat Noir will definitely get the miraculous again one by one.
Cool. I'm very interested. I kind of hope they get the Butterfly and Peacock Miraculous back because I want to see how it is used for good. Unless Felix uses it for good lol.
A question - since Felix stole the Grimoire and Hawkdaddy didnt expect having access to all the miraculous, What if he is unable to actually use the miraculouses and only makes his victims “pretend” to be the wearers like Volpina? Like really - if Gabriel has access to every single miraculous he is just too OP and he can just use the bunny miraculous to go back in time and save Emilie. I feel like there has to be some kind of a setback. Also Hawkdaddy not being able to use the miraculouses would explain Why the more powerful miraculouses are lost so easily. Also I think that perhaps Felix gave Gabriel the miraculouses knowing he will be unable to actually use them since he doesnt have the grimoire. That boy is always one step ahead.
The reason he won't use the rabbit miraculous to save Emilie is because that's not his real goal. He may think so but really what he wants most is POWER! And I'm sure when he got Master Fu's tablet he copied the data just in case.
If Gabriel is smart, he'll make multiple akuma's and miraculouses to beat the heroes at once. I do want him to give the Bee miraculous to Chloe, if only to see her ultimate reaction. Shit has gone down. Everyone is horrible. What're you gonna do? I can see Chloe choosing to be a hero, either from the small, remnant of goodness left in her or from the desire to be praised as a hero and seeing no benefit to being hated as Hawkmoth's lackey.
My thoughts Peacock Felix Fox/dog-Lila Tiger- I can't remember name but party crusher guy mouse- mr pigeon Dragon-aurore(Stormy weather) Rooster- I have feeling it will be Nathalie since next episode is revelation and duusu is a bird like orikko Pig-i have feeling some little kid Goat-I think hawk moth will give it to nathaniel not knowing he is real goat holder(Nathanel will get akumatized) Bee- Chloe ofc snake- adrien, ephemeral also has time powers
@@walkingcat7630 Good point, Sandboy is great character, Also maybe Wishmaker since both have Desire/nightmare powers Jubilation could be episode of some kind of reval maybe will pig holder use gift on Cat noir showing his biggest desire -love from ladybug.
The theory where mr rat is mr pigeon with the mouse Miraculous sounds hilarious Riding his pidgeons like horses it sounds amazing ASTRUC MAKE IT HAPPEN
Maybe the Pig Miraculous can be used for evil similarly to the Eagle where the user is just sort of stuck in the trance of seeing their greatest desire (think Wishmaker without the transforming into the desire)
wow, this kinda brought a bit more theories to this- * I do perhaps see Gabriel giving miraculous out to adults but there’s the idea of he knows some of the identities of the wearer and I do have the theory that he may force the kwamis to tell the identities of the other people and he then akumitizes them and gives them back their miraculous *like for episode five (Illusion): I originally considered that maybe Gabriel would go after Alya and turn her against Ladybug at the thought of making Alya think that Ladybug doesn’t see her as a good hero, making her think she was forced to give up her miraculous (I do not see this for all episodes, maybe like in “Intuition”, “Perfection”, “Protection”, and so on with people like Luka reackumitized, Kagami, Nino, and possibly even others who we haven’t seen akumitized in seasons like Marc, Nathenial, and Ivan) but now that it was mentioned, I originally saw Lila not to make a “proper” appearance working with Gabriel until the “Transmission” and “Deflagration” episodes but now, I do see Lila being with the fox before the “Illusion” episode where she is akumitized, to be a much stronger villain and be like my other idea with Chloe and the bee miraculous in both of them being secondary villains of this season but I do not see Lila being given the dog (could be total wrong and be the reason why the dog miraculous is taken back by Ladybug but Hawkmoth loses a miraculous about every episode so if Gabriel gives Lila the dog to retrieve back all those miraculous, then why is he still losing them after every episode but if this does happen, the dog miraculous is not hugely a powerful miraculous but it’s a more useful one so it would kinda explain why Gabriel hangs onto it for so long) *another thing I would like to point out is that the butterfly miraculous, how Gabriel is using it, is not it’s original purpose (in creating superheroes to help along side the other miraculous holders) so going off of that, I do see in most of the miraculous in each episode being turned to be used for evil so for an episode like “Jubilation”, whoever the akumitized villain is, instead of the wearer bring joy to whoever they are giving the “gift”, they could instead bring despair, easily dropping down Ladybug and Cat Noir a peg, making them unhappy *another example could be with the goat miraculous where whoever is akumitized with the goat may still be able to conjure an object but Gabriel may give them the ability to make whatever object they conjure to have some magical property, like evolving the miraculous with his akumitized butterflies basically how he was able to do with Chloe in both “Queen Wasp” and in “Miracle Queen” *another thing that I am hoping to see is what the full transformation and deformation words are for wearer like the pig, horse (which I can’t remember if we heard it or yet), tiger, and the mouse (not all of them but the mouse, it’s “Mullo, Get Squeaky”, so I think maybe it is “Squeak Off” or “Cheese Off”) and then also both transformation sequence and the transformation words for wielders like the goat, ox, and rooster (which I do not like that we are not going to be seeing Marc until very much later so another thing I am hoping for is that in each episode, or in some episodes like “Pretension”, “Passion”, and “Determination”, Ivan, Nathenial, and Marc get some screen time to have their own with learning how to rework their powers, get their own introductory episode, and transformation sequence (and also Sabrina) but I do understand why episodes such as “Pretension” are much later) *I also perhaps see, thinking of all the kwamis except Tikki and Duusu are living under the same roof as Adrien and Plagg, Plagg was able to somewhat sense Nooroo and Duusu in “Ephemeral”, I am kinda wondering how Gabriel is going to do that because he can’t trap the kwamis in his own box like Marinette has and then bring them out when he wants. I kinda suspecting he may inactive them within their own miraculous, forcing them to come out when he needs them but that may be a little touch dark for kids to see…I don’t know *I also get why the bunny miraculous is taken first with the idea it is a very powerful one so what I am thinking is that Gabriel has the mindset of putting out one of the more powerful miraculous first, thinking that whoever his akumitized wearer is, will be able to easily defeat Ladybug and Cat Noir but Ladybug and Cat Noir are able to so Gabriel changes his mindset and starts using the much more “weaker” miraculous like the pig and mouse first and then like a chess game, moves up to more powerful miraculous *and, going off of that Ladybug gets back the bee miraculous in “Action”, it kinda seen by me that Gabriel may loses Nooroo in the two parter “Conformation” and “Re-Creation”, Chloe seeing (if she is given the chance to be the bee miraculous wielder once again) that Gabriel has lost so she starts causing her own chaos and probably, at the end of “Re-Creation”, Chloe starts creating chaos, both Cat Noir and Ladybug look out and realize that there still one more out there, possibly cursing if this was more of a teenager show, then that leads into the “Action” episode
Love all your ideas bestie! Although I don’t think Gabriel can force them kwamis to do that as we saw in Sandboy that Tikki couldn’t even say Marinette’s name to Plagg so I don’t think he could force them. Same way they won’t be able to tell Mari when she gets them back. Although I am wondering if they can give her hints about his identity?
I now just realized how much stress Marinette has on her, she has to support an entire country on her back everyday. No wonder she didn't want to keep her friends in gang of secrets, the entirety of paris's safety was on Marinette keeping up the dollhouse in her room until her friends left the room. Who knows what would've happened if she was clumsy, ShadowPie would've won. Because there is no chance one wouldn't get akumatized. She lost all the miraculous and she said she is the worst guardian in the entire existence, but that's not true though she still has the miracle Box Master FU lost everything except the turtle miraculous
She is doing an amazing job, without Felix Gabriel would've probably lost, i dont think the smartest person in the miraculous world would have known that Felix was Adrien for that day. Ladybug was gonna give Adrien a miraculous because she trust him, it wasn't her fault that she lost
3:45 Well you were partially right as after Lila/Cerise/Iris/Drizella/Edna Mode or whatever other identity she comes up with got akumatized into Volpina in Revelation, she did receive the fox miraculous (though indirectly) to become Hoaxer while Mayoress Chloé Bourgeois in Revolution got akumatized into the final variation of Queen Wasp called Queen Mayor indirectly received the power of other miraculouses along with hers.
soo all the episodes that we will see I believe happens how it happened in miracle queen or queen wasp, like the akumatized a villain and then give them the miraculous for extra power and then when ladybug and chat noir will fight and win they get the miraculous back, so I assume nothing big will happen in episode 1 to 9 then maybe the 2 parter there might be a little bit big going on and then its where the intensity begins, but interesting that there is no queen wasp so it means that the villain's names are based on the power of the kwami and along with that the extra powers that hawk moth will give, and the interesting thing is that chat noir said at the end of risk that 'until the very last' could it be referring to the miraculous of creation cuz I see an episode title that is called 're-creation' which is the first part of the finale of the last day, perhaps a last miraculous to target at? and the few things that might happen is that .ladynoir canon .ladybug will get all the miraculous one by one meaning per-episode . chat noir might get akumatized .ladybug might get akumatized .the reveal .Adrien and Marinette work together to get all the miraculous back after episode 20 which is revelation
Quick thought as you're talking about not seeing any way how the pig miraculous could be used in an "evil" way: Just try to imagine the inverse of that power. I mean, let's go back to the butterfly miraculous for an example. In an ideal situation the butterfly power is meant to be used to create champions. The user is supposed to, I guess, sense the positive vibes of somebody with a righteous cause. Somebody who wants to protect something. To do something helpful. It offers them the power to do that, and includes safeguards to rein them in if they go overboard with it. Gabriel subverted that power. He senses negative vibes. Pain. Anger. He offers them power to dish out petty revenge in the most over the top way possible. He rarely exercises that safeguard because he's relying on the chaos to draw out the users of the ladybug and black cat. So how about the pig power, then? Well, you could say that the pig as we've seen it used also kinda taps into positive vibes. An object is summoned which embodies a happy / soothing memory which instantly alters the target's mood. So the opposite of that would be a power that affects a target negatively, pulling up painful memories and riling them up. He wouldn't need to wait for the right akuma opportunity to come up naturally. He wouldn't need to engineer a situation to rile someone up. He could just inject an appropriately foul mood into any target he wants and then send the akuma to them.
@@MoodKent but the miraculous powers are way more than just that. For example, shadowmoth created a more powerful akuma that he didn't know he could create before.
let's take a moment to think about the fact that when haze edited this video, she had to actively search for, screenshot, copy and then look at the image of Nino's ear interior. RIP her sanity
About gabriel using the rabbit miraculous to prevent emilies sickness; For that, he’d have to prevent her from creating adrien and/or felix and Felix was the one that got him all the miraculous. Maybe he wants to keep them as well as emlie?
OMG finally, someone else knew that there are production bases and standarts in this show!! Litteraly some people are really hating stuff without knowing how production standarts work. I think one of those standarts is that they need to put a villain to every episode. Since season 6 & 7 will be a new beginning, story standarts might be different.
Hold on people don’t realise kids shows have to follow a set structure? 😅😅 and Miraculous’s structure is so obvious with the villain each episode 😂 it would be interesting if it does change in the following two seasons though!
@@hazeclarke Yes, they doesn't realise it and say that they wanna rewrite and reproduce the whole thing. People who works on these kind of stuff knows better. It explains that a bunch of fanfictions in many shows can be better than the actual series, cause people are free to do whatever they want without and rules. That makes the writing some sort of art. I am very satisfied with this show being family friendly, but if the rating was higher, at least the producers will have more freedom and can put their ideas in it. They also hate the 20 min episode limit. I am exited to read those upcomming comic books telling about secondary stuff in the show!!
This all makes sense great theory bestie! And yeah the pig miraculous... Hawk daddy have already lost his mind so if no one can think what it'll be useful for him then we can't expect anything from him- unless a great mind helps him-
During Strike Back episode, the way Lila smiled watching Natalie struggling from her condition makes me believe that she is now anticipating to be more needed and indispensable by Gabriel, thus she knew Gabriel is Shadowmoth all along.
Guys, if it's used for "evil" do you know if Hawk Daddy has to figure out the new catchphrases to activate the miraculous? Like "Dark Wings Rise" rather than "Light/Wings Rise?" for Nooroo? Or is this all in the book he has translated...
I have such low expectations that I think the writers are just going to akumatize the holders of the miraculous and then just make them have them permanently when defeated. There’s no way any adult gets a miraculous imo
Haze - you just wrote season 5! I hope Thomas Astruc and co have your number; if not, they're missing out on some terrific story pitches. The plot device of GabrielHawk-ExShadowDaddy handing a Miraculous to one he akumatises has been teed up in the New York Special, where we saw the Eagle Miraculous used both for evil and for good. We've also had hints that the Ladybug Miraculous could be used for evil as well as for good - one thinks in particular about "Antibug" and the illusory akumatised Ladybug in "Catalyst," showing what it would look like if the Ladybug powers were used for evil; we also saw "Dearest Family," in which Tikki created the giant galette, an act that whilst not inherently evil was certainly dangerous, proving that Kwamis themselves are on the fence of the moral spectrum and can turn to good or evil without batting an eyelid. And in "Feast" we had a glimpse of the opposite case - a portrait of a past Butterfly Miraculous holder using it for good rather than evil. So, it is entirely possible that any Miraculous can serve either side. This gets us into the realm of the (very real world) story of choices and actions being preeminent over skills, attributes and artifacts - the Harry Potter franchise dealt with it most memorably via Dumbledore's line that it is our choices that make us who and what we are. Miraculous has added its own strands to this, however, by showing that selfish use of a Miraculous can have disastrous consequences and that some people are better fits than others for each specific Miraculous. If Gabriel cannot grasp this, his efforts are doomed, and therein lies the path to victory for the heroes. How might the Pig Miraculous be used for evil? One suspects that an akumatised villain could use the Gift power to trick the heroes into thinking they have succeeded, or perhaps the villain could use it to recruit help against the heroes.... We shall see what ultimately transpires!
Lmao he couldn’t pay me enough to have to listen him to be rude in real life too That’s very interesting! It definitely will be down to their choices this season. I’m sure ladybug and cat noir will succeed but I am worried about them both
@@hazeclarke It's natural to worry, given how thickly against them the deck is stacked... However, Ladybug has learned an important lesson from season 4: she needs Cat Noir, and now that he's all she's got, she will have to work closely with him anyway. And that word "closely" could have more than one significance going forward. Even if she isn't in love with him, she has now seen just how much he loves her - his is not just the infatuation that annoyed her so much over four seasons, but a pure love that can clearly survive anything.
A way that the pig could be used for evil is emotional manipulation. You can use the desires you see to manipulate people or just cause emotional harm which would help hawkmoth.
The way this is a kids show brings joy to my heart knowing that they will not be able to make it too heartbreaking. I think reunion is going to be the peacock miraculous "duusu" getting together with all the other kwamis. Cause idk why Felix would need it, maybe he needs to make something?
i feel like chloe will go back into being a superhero since pollen’s the last episode of season 5 she might get a huge character development for the whole season
I think it's pretty obvious that ladynoir will try to retrieve the bunny miraculous first since its arguably the most powerful and dangerous since the number of ways it can be used is endless....but tbh I dont think gabriel has enough braincells to use the bunny miraculous smartly...someone please donate a brain and a heart to poor hawkdaddy😂( I miss shadowdaddy:( ) ....even if he has lila or an adult helping him...it will still be hard As for episode, that would be the episode about love pancakes ?? Which are not harmless?? These titles are scaring me to death I swear-
Yes! The potentially dangerous “love pancakes” 🤣 Like this season isn’t going to be crazy enough, they drop a hint about pancakes being important… I can’t 🤣🤣
My theories for s5 are: 1. Ladybug/marinette would have a new fear, she would have to have a hard time trusting Adrien when Felix completely fooled her after he acted like he was Adrien, and she would also maybe find comfort in chat noir thus showing him how she trusted him more than before. 2. Chat noir gets power upgrades like controlling his cataclysm regarding in size, power, intensity etc. And spreading bad luck to his will. 3. Gabriel getting weaker after using the miraculous. Master fu stated clearly in Kwamibuster that it is risky to combine/wear all the miraculous at once especially if they are still not emotionally and mentally prepared. We saw how marinette almost fainted after a few seconds of wearing all the miraculous and i would love to see how that would affect Gabriel since he is ironically emotionally unstable (cause of the whole emilie thing) and is close to being mentally deranged as to show how he acted in s4 finale risk when he was talking to Nathalie especially when she looked at him worriedly after he left. It's a great theory for me that Gabriel would slowly lose his mind by having/using too much of the miraculous' powers especially since he is using it for the worst way possible. 3. Hawkmoth would probable blackmail the miraculous wielders that ladybug picked into joining his side like what he did to chloe before since he knows that ladybug specifically chose them because they had potential so he might blackmail them and take advantage of their low times. Although I highly see most of them disagreeing with hawkmoth I'm still anxious about chloe and lila since both of them are assets to hawkmoth and how chloe smiled at lila at the end penalteam suggests that she is up to no good. 4. I would also think that Nathalie would try to save Gabriel from getting deranged for using the miraculous as she witnesses him slowly giving into the power it gives, since we all know that she only helps gabriel because she sees his reasons as something valid, maybe she would think otherwise if this happens and would work behind Gabriel's back to give Ladybug back the miraculous. I would like to think that she would think it throughly since she is a smart woman and she would make a move to save Gabriel from getting crazy. 5. Something is telling me that the episode where chat blanc and hawkmoth appeared in Mari's nightmare is a really important foreshadowing for s5/s6/s7 I think that that specific scene would play a big role especially since it showed how much mari was scared of Chat blanc especially when she found out she couldn't transform. 6. I also have this theory where as loving and caring parents, Sabine and tom would give Mari strict curfew or ground her in her room because they are slowly losing their trust in ladybug. This would lead to mari doubting her capabilities and thinking that half of paris probably thinks of her that way. Alya would probably also be cautious when adrien is around and get mari away from his as far as possible since they couldn't trust Felix if he is still acting in place of adrien. 7. Maybe we could get a more in dept view of what really happened to emilie in 501 since its evolution then gabriel using it to see emelie before her coma is something that is not surprising. 8. And maybe a more in dept explanation of Felix's actions in the London special, maybe they would also explain the family feud in that movie. A lot of theories are swirling in my head and this is not even half of what I'm having, I do hope that they show these in s5.
Completely agree about Mari! She’s gonna be so scared of Adrien now after the trauma of it all! And id definitely hope Cat Noir gets a power upgrade I love the idea about Gabriel! But I do have a feeling he won’t use them all at once, maybe 3 max at a time, not sure the others could be convinced to betray ladybug though Love the idea about Mari’s parents!
Never underestimate how smooth gabes brain is. What I wanna know? Is why lila looked so pleased when nathalie relapsed. What did nathalie do to her? God, i hope she doesn’t have a thing for him
For 19 I am honestly SURPRISED he didn't think of using that to just save his wife. Like "I give myself the power to reverse the damage caused by any miraculous" or "I give myself the power to heal magical damage". First testing on natalie, then his wife. Boom. Or "I give myself the power to locate any current miraculous holder" then host an agreste fashion event with invites for all. Walk by the people there and then win.
I bet that Hawk Moth will give Bob Roth the pig miraculous and turn him in to the super villain Bribery, who can commit bribery with peoples deepest wishes.
I’ve been waiting for your thoughts, Haze! I love all the ideas and speculation you made, and omg yes we need Mousier Rat NOW. I also highly believe that Hawk daddy will give the dragon miraculous to Tomoe, Kagami’s mother. Edit: I do think Gabriel will definitely give Nathalie a Miraculous. It would make a a lot of sense, I just don’t know which one. I also do think he’s gonna akumatized the bodyguard to become Gorizilla again and make him use the Ox Miraculous
He can akumatize the heroes and combine the power example he akumatizes Ivan into stone heart but gives him the ox miraculous as well Also Ezra hired a VC for Emilie
If I were to release the miraculous from my hand one by one, I would surely use the dog miraculous on them so that if the villain loses, I would get them back immediately. Although that's just my opinion. And unfortunately I’m not as 'evil a genius' as Gabriel.
Hiiiiiiiiii OoooooooO noice theory bestieeee!!!😩 I am so excited to see what happens in season five even tho me not ready yet but ey we were never ready for the finale but survived we shall die in this season but worth it!
Hey, Haze. Sorry that I am only seeing this now, I was extremely busy today. Also, glad to see that the show is finally showcasing some lasting consequences. Can't wait to see how things play out?! 😁👍💯🐞🌈
Here are some necessary petitions: Petition for ladynoir to own season 5👑❤ Petition for adrien to get the happiness and the cookies he deserves along with some braincells🥺💛 Petition for marinette to be happy in season 5 ...I want her smile backkkk🤧💕
I know what you said about Chloe but I think she might have a redemption ark judging by the reaction she had when hawk moth revealed he had all of the miraculous
You know what would be cool? If the Miraculous had evil counterparts instead, like a different set of magic jewels that people could use to turn into supervillains, I can totally see how the Butterfly and Peacock can be used for good and I don’t doubt that they at some point but it feels like they were made to be evil. I wanna make a fanfic with this idea but I don’t have any ideas for the powers of the “Evil Miraculous” (tho I might call them the Malicious), what creature they should be based on or if they should even have kwamis (or something like them). If anyone has any ideas let me know
5:42 Couldn't they pick a moment where they know the heroes were transformed and watch them while they detransform? Bunnix is shown to watch the events that led to chat blanc. Couldn't Gabriel do this (and vice versa, Ladybug could have went to the day of miracle queen and just followed them from inside the burrow when they left on that giant moth thing, strike back with the froggy thing showed me they could find a moment in time)
Since Gabriel is a grown up he could use the rabbit miraculous to go back to the day he fixed the peacock miraculous and go back to the day Emily used it and they go back to the present
The miraculous from the new york special, would really come in great hand right now. Maybe ladybug gets a new miraculous back each day. Or maybe she goes to look for different miraculous boxes.
Hopefully Ladybug and Chat Noir will return all the miraculouses from Hawkmoth and they'll defeat him in the final battle in this season, but if they can't, I'm gonna cry. And I'm truthfully sure Lila will the next butterfly miraculous user in the next season🤔
You would think that Gabriel would use the most powerful one first. So its faster to get Ladybugs and Chat noirs miraculous. You wouldn't use the least powerful right? Thats common sense. So it makes sense that he loses the bunny miraculous first and then maybe he realises he needs to be careful not to lose good miraculous' so then uses good ones but not the least powerful ones. I think that makes sense ;-;
I wonder if the pig could be currupted and used to show someone their deepest fear instead of their greatest wish. I've always assumed that the butterfly is meant to be used to channel positive emotions, but since Hawkmoth is using it for evil, he uses negative emotions.
Bestie....your video came out as soon as I was about to study- I mean of course I watched this first and don't worry, I am going to study now. All I can think about for season 5 is hawkdaddy moisturizing his brain with a smooth conditioner so there won't be any crinkles left BECAUSE THIS GROWN A- MAN IS GOING TO LOOSE THESE POWERFUL JEWELS ONE BY ONE.........BRO- I am very hyped for season 5 and can't wait to see how these episodes go down, especially like the 2 part specials, the ones unrelated to the miraculouses, the last one after the 2 part finale.....it already has me anxious for season 6......THE EPISODE NAMED RE-CREATION IS SCARING ME BESTIE-. Oh well I'm happy that we finally got to see one of your theory videos, I do agree with what you say. ALSO ! I think the pig miraculous can be used for evil to show people their deepest desires and get them rethinking their choice, kind of close to a Wishmaker scenario except it's a lil different, other than that- idk what else.
7:59 Actually I could see he could use that one to his advantages. Remember he can see whatever his akumatized victims see. So if he had them use the gift ability on them, with a modification with their form to see what the gift is.. It could be a way to find out their identities.. Like if used on ladybug... It would show her greatest desire, being with adrien, as marinette.
If one would think about it, Hawk Moth should NOT make an appearance in season five because once Ladybug and Cat Noir see him, they'll see that's he's no longer Shadow Moth, and wonder what happened to the Peacock Miraculous as to why he's not using it very much, if not at all. They could realize that Felix made the deal to get the Peacock Miraculous... 😏
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One thing to keep in mind is that Gabriel now knows that the potential of the Miraculous is greater then written in the grimoire. For instance, perhaps instead of simply revealing the targets desires, the pig miraculous could be warped to *change* the targets greatest desire, turning the citizens of Paris into an army devoted to the defeat of Ladybug and Cat Noir.
Good point!
WOW. Good, VERY good theory. Approval.
dont give the creators any ideas...
OR they can warp it to show their greatest fear and get them in a vulnerable state
@@Itsmefawn69 I have an idea the villains help ladybug and cat noir
The thought of what he could do with the fox miraculous is scaring me a little. Also the power of the dog is really strong so if someone hit the earring or ring its endgame XD
I don't like Felix 😒
and the goat and rooster
i think cat noir can defeat the dog miraculous like he can destroy it
butterfly is the most strong of them all
panda miraculous can defeat it
Getting the rabbit first actually makes a lot of sense if you think about it. The rabbit is too OP to be kept by Hawk daddy, he could mess up the timeline Like crazy so Ladybug must get it as soon as possible
True!
i hate how much of a waist the show uses its powers. when ladybug gets the rabbit back, all she would have to do is go back to the day felix stole the miraculous and stop him- but we all know due to plot convenience, thats not how its going to go down. no one in this show has a brain cell!!! XD
@@MartivirLizard Yeah, but at the same time, if that were to happen, we wouldn’t have a show.
@@fixymuffin9898 technically we already don't.
We know a certain Bunny hero can come from the future if necessary.
Even if her timeline doesn't even exist, because she herself causes it to (Cat Blance)
i think LB and CN would definitely get the miraculous of the rabbit back. because the first episode is literally called “evolution”, and i think here’s when LB gives the miraculous of the rabbit to alix and hence bunnyx.
I believe S5’s plot is going to be like the “Calculator Scenario”. The calculator is only as smart, or as good, as it’s holder, because a calculator doesn’t give you a formula you must know the formula and insert the numbers. Same with the miraculous every time when Ladybug has called upon a team of heroes her plan is always strategic and well thought out, because she knew how to use them to the best of their ability and where their strong suits were. Although Gabriel has the grimoire tablet the writers may make it to where Gabriel has plans, but they aren’t “The Plans” like Ladybug and her Lucky Charm always came up with.
Yessss!
I love your theories but I have one of my own for "Emotion". So we know that Felix is now the owner of the peackok miraculous so it is pretty obvious he'll be back for that episode. However, wouldn't it be cool if in this episode Felix finally reveals his reasoning for all he has done? Maybe if we're lucky we could a flashback of Emily using the miraculous?
P. S. :If Ladybug punched Felix in the face for attempting to kiss her, imagine what kind of trouble that boy is in now 😬
He totally should do that in that episode!
I don't know why, but I have nightmares of Felix usurping Gabriel as the new villain. Maybe that episode sets the stage for Felix to begin his development as the new supervillain throughout the rest of the episodes.
No no no, what we REALLY need is for *Adrien* to do it. That would be so awesome!
I really hope Chloe isn't the final villain of Season 5. Like Smarty Pants said, Chloe just *cannot* hold a finale. 😡
Ah yeah I’m pretty sure she’ll be redeemed by the finale
@@hazeclarke I'd be surprised at this point. Thomas just can't make his mind up regarding Chloe 🙄
@@OcraStars that's why he is not in the season writing team so it could happen
She will stop being a villain when Astruc leaves the project
@@adityarathore8761 I think he is still working on season 5 but will stop on s6
Something curious is that Sass, Wayzz and Barkk acted as the leaders of the Kwamis (in that order), and curiously the episodes in which they might be rescued are followed one after another: 15) Intuition, 16) Protection and 17) Adoration.
:o i never found this small detail...
Ooo good point!
Bruh as we know Trixx he will trick hawk moth himself, but I agree with barkk wayzz and sass, I would add longg he/she also said some rules in season 4, like in optigami he asked alaya "did the guardian ask you to do that" when she picked up turtle miraculous.
@@wlwl2161 as long as a Kwami has an master they seem to be unable to do something against them so I dought that Trixx can "trick" Gabriel, is likely he wouldn't be abel to. In Longg's case it was more like she could tell that wasn't the original plan to have three miraculous used insted just two, but she didn't acted like a leader to the other Kwamis like Sass, Wayzz or Barkk do. The same goes for Trixx, he actually was kinda scolded by Wayzz and Barkk in Gang of Secrets.
Since we are assuming that hawk moth is giving the miraculous to his Acuma victims, the titles could still be the names of acuma victims, just specific to their miraculous. “Evolution I am hawk moth, I am granting you the power of moving creatures through the timeline, and I am giving you the miraculous of the rabbit to aid you in your righteous cause” or something like this
Ooo yes!
I think the pig miraculous could be used to show the hearts biggest fear as well and maybe that would be useful for Gabriel to easily akumatize people
Speaking of Lila we've never seen her and Zoe interact and I've been wondering since Zoe is an expert on acting would she be able to tell Lila's a liar?
Oooo that’s a good point!
Can’t wait for season 5! Let’s hope the writers are in a good mood this season
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And also that they dont have memory issues
I heard season 5 is going to have a big focus on the story
Yeah, hope they won't make Chloe the big bad of the season|=/
Miraculous powers can be upgraded by Akumas, maybe the less useful powers could be augmented into something more powerful. For example, Bob Roth (cause he wore the pig mask at the party) might use the Pig Miraculous with an Akuma to make some kind of "dream thief" power, where he uses Gift then steals a person's one true desire for himself. Or he could use it to manipulate people into doing what he wants.
Thinking about what Gabe could do with all the Miraculous has me a bit sad that Marinette didn’t think outside the box more when she still had them. She was still so constricted by Fu’s ideas of how they should be used reactively.
I think the pig miraculous is used mainly to nullify the willpower of an opponent, kinda like the opposite of the eagle, it can also be used to show someone what another person truly desires so it could be used for emotional manipulations. Used In tandem with the goat fox or peacock it could actually be one of the most psychologically powerful miraculous
My hope for episode 1 is that bunnix just comes along and yoinks her miraculous before Gabe can do anything with it and the episode will mostly be set up.
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I want to talk about Lila in the finale.
So Risk and Strike Back spoilers!!!
After "Adrien" (Felix) said to Lila: "I hope so with all my heart", on the train, while he earlier was like: "I may have to work with you but I don't have to listen to your lies", she seemed suspicious by the look on her face after he acted like nothing happened on the train.
Also, Lila was smirking when Natalie was coughing, and I think she was smirking not because of Natalie coughing, but because she heard her state to Gabriel that Adrien is no longer on the train. Lila is smart, and might think something isn't right about "Adrien", which is in fact Felix.
You’re definitely right! It was so odd for Felix to say
Ok i don't say that anybody is smart in this show but in the show I think she and Felix are as smart as Einstein
Okay I have a theory that might be far fetched, but I just want to put it in. I think one of the ways Hawk Moth could use the Miraculous for evil is something similar to what he tried to do in Sentibubbler, which is to blackmail the users to join him. Only this time he’ll succeed because he has the Miraculous literally in his hands instead of on the users like Alya.
This is basing off on that Twitter message about how heroes will turn to villains.
Also I want to put my input on the episodes, Jubilation and Illusion.
I think Jubilation will be use to uncover different people’s desires in order to create more powerful and well thought-out Akuma, or to take advantage of different people to further his goal.
And for Illusion, my thoughts are that maybe instead of getting the Fox Miraculous back, it’ll be Lila’s official debut as Volpina. At least that’s what I’m hoping for so it allows Alya to shine as her civilian self than just as Rena.
Love your ideas bestie!
YOU ARE A GENIUS!
Do you think Volpina gonna come back
Honestly I thought Hawkmoth would akumatize Lila while she’s Volpina giving her the power to make her illusion reality or some power like that. Really wished in the hero’s day episode they showed what abilities did Alia get as Rena rage.
@@jonathanmacancela2284 Well I don't like heroes day it's makes me sad 😔
I do believe that Hawk Moth will give the Fox miraculous to Lila and the Bee miraculous to Chloe and both girls are both alies ever since Penalteam.
Chloe did call Hawkmoth ridiculous tho. She might be doing her own thing…
I think we all know that Felix is in big trouble once he sets foot in Paris again...
Ooo yes!
How dense will Plagg and Adrien need to be to not realise that every kwami except Tikki and Dusuu ARE LIVING UNDER THE SAME ROOF AS THEM.
But at the same time I have a strong feeling that Gabriel will keep the miraculouses inactive unless he is using them so that the kwamis are trapped; do you remember how in ephemeral plagg immediately tried to cataclysm Gabriel as soon as he took the ring? The other kwamis could do a lot of harm to Gabriel if they use their powers without a holder.
Unless he doesn't know that they can use their powers without a holder🤔
Ah yeah I think they’ll be inactive too
What if all the kwami kill Gabriel at some point on ther own
what if plagg senses all of these kwamis😳🤔
@@QueenJenniferTheGreat exactly! that makes sense right?
@@QueenJenniferTheGreat if he could do that he would have already sensed Nooroo and Dusuu.
I feel like when Ladybug defeats Lila with either the fox and/or the dog miraculous, Lila will first refuse to give it back to Ladybug. But, usually when villains are de evilized, there is a crowd of people with them. And Lila told everyone that Ladybug is her best friend. So to keep up the act, she would have to give the miraculous back to ladybug
Ladybug could just take it from her forcibly
@@hazeclarke I like that plan. Maybe Lila could have some sense instilled into her
I talked about this theory I thought up of on a different channel, and I'll do the same on this one.
Lets say Emilie did use the Peacock Miraculous to create Adrien(which could explain his feather allergy) so that she and Gabriel could be parents, with the amok being in her ring. Although that's not what caused her "condition". Maybe after creating Adrien Emilie noticed how sad Amelie and her late husband were that they had no kids of their own, so she chose to create another sentimonster for them to raise which would turn out to be Felix. That can explain Adrien and Felix looking like identical twins.
However she didn't create another amok but instead used the same one she used for Adrien in order to make Felix, which is very dangerous because amoks are only supposed to create one sentimonster each, but Emilie ignored Duusu's warnings and did it anyway. That could be what caused the Peacock Miraculous to crack in the first place, and as Adrien and Felix grew older Emilie got sicker and sicker.
Here's another theory that I thought of. Basically this is what I hope happens in 'The Last Day'.
Imagine Ladybug and Cat Noir revealing their secret identities to each other and confronting Felix who's now transformed with the Peacock Miraculous. However Felix reveals that he also knows Adrien is Cat Noir and is able to snap is own "cousin" out of existence(but without destroying the amok or else he'd die too), leaving nothing but his ring behind. This causes Ladybug to fall to her knees and cry her eyes out whilst detransforming back to Marinette. Hawk Moth, shocked that Felix snapped Adrien out of existence, decides to akumatize Marinette so that he can use the wish to bring back both Emilie and Adrien. Marinette is unable to resist and is finally transformed into the most powerful supervillain ever, but not before handing her earrings to Tikki and telling her and Plagg to get as far away as possible with their Miraculouses.
The rest of Team Miraculous discover Ladybug and Cat Noir's true identities from Tikki and Plagg and after Scarabella(or maybe Rena Bug if she uses both the Ladybug and Fox Miraculouses at the same time) uses Lucky Charm, she realises that they need to get the Peacock Miraculous back from Felix so that they can bring back Adrien. Fortunately after a tough fight they are able to take Felix's Miraculous from him, place the amok in the Black Cat Miraculous and bring Adrien back to life before taking him to Marinette, who breaks down in tears of joy and is able to break free from akumatization before hugging Adrien tight and crying into his shoulder. Adrien hugs her back tightly and they both kiss. Hawk Moth, although glad that his son is alright, is downright furious that even his most powerful supervillain failed and leaves his lair to find the teens, due to having it with his plans backfiring and refusing to accept defeat one more time.
Marinette and Adrien are just about to put their respective Miraculouses back on when Hawk Moth comes out of nowhere and snatches the jewels off of them. He then unifies Tikki and Plagg with Nooroo and takes Marinette and Adrien to the secret basement and shows them Emilie. He explains to the duo why he is doing this and is just about to make his wish when Nathalie, finally realising how wrong this all is, attacks him and tries to take the Miraculouses off him but he's able to apprehend her and separates her from her technical leg braces that helps her to stand up and walk ever since 'Kuro Neko'. Fortunately not all hope is lost as the rest of Team Miraculous arrives at the basement and starts to fight Hawk Moth but he's able to take them all down, even taking Luka and Alix's Miraculouses from them and throwing them across the room and injures Zoe in her legs, preventing her from using her Venom on him.
Hawk Moth proclaims his long-awaited victory at last and has his back turned to the others while he looks at Emilie and begins to start making his wish but just then Chloe(who followed Team Miraculous to the mansion, came down the elevator without anyone noticing and hid during the battle against Team Miraculous and Hawk Moth), takes the Bee Miraculous from Zoe, transforms into Queen Bee under her breath, activates Venom and uses it on Hawk Moth before he could finish making his wish, redeeming herself in the process once and for all. Marinette and Adrien are able to retrieve their Miraculouses and Gabriel's, and Marinette(after transforming into Ladybug) uses 'Miraculous Ladybug' to restore all the damage caused by Gabriel.
After Gabriel's fashion business is forced to close Lila has a tantrum about losing her job as a model and accidentally reveals to everyone that she deliberately framed Marinette in 'Ladybug' to get her expelled and become Gabriel's muse. Everyone realises she lied about everything else and all apologise to Marinette. Gabriel is arrested and charged for his crimes, Emilie has her funeral, Amelie sends Felix away to boarding school for what he did and Nathalie is found not guilty by a jury and is offered a job at the bakery. She even tells Adrien the truth about his birthday scarf being from Marinette and not Gabriel. Also Tom and Sabine arrange with Adrien's Aunt Amelie and Marinette's Aunt Shu Yin for their niece and nephew to take the Startrain from Paris to London on Fridays after school to stay at their houses on weekends, and on Sunday afternoons Marinette and Adrien can take the Startrain back to Paris and stay at the bakery for school. Plus if trouble arises in Paris while they're in London Pegasus can bring them back with Voyage. 🐞❤🐈⬛
You really be putting more effort in this than your schoolwork.
We have no evidence to suggest that’s when Emilie used it. We know she went missing a few months before Adrien began school. We don’t know for sure when she used it
You're more creative than the one who made MLB
Okay, I just have to say that I absolutely love the idea of this actually happening, but then what about the other two seasons planned for the show? This plot sort of wraps everything up without anything else to keep the show going for another two seasons… I’m not hating, but just a thought I had while reading this.
I personally don’t think Adrien is a sentimonster, only because in that one episode where Bunnix had to bring the adult Cat Noir and Ladybug, we saw a glimpse of adult Cat. Which was probably Adrien because the costumes were identical. And I find it hard believe a Sentimonster can “age” and such like a real human adult. Also, sentimonsters seem to know they’re sentimonsters, and obey. Adrien, doesn’t show any signs of knowing anything, (Clearly, because she’s just a friend). However, I do believe Felix could be one.
Maybe his mom was infertile at some point, (Hence possibly why his dad left), so Emelie, being her sister, created Felix for her. And the miraculous broke because of the complexity of Felix, or Emelie had to put her “essence”/energy into the amok, putting her into a coma so Felix could exist. (This could also explain why him and Adrien look so similar.)
Either way, I pray Thomas trashes the whole sentimonster idea. It’s so cliche. I wanna see bad boy Felix actually use the Peacock miraculous and not just, “Oh I want it so I don’t die.” 😭🙄
100 percent agree here!!! If anyone is a senti, Felix would make more sense. Not Adrien. He knows absolutely nothing, and the theory is far fetched to me.
Feri confirmed he was one, and sentimonsters can age. Adrien and Felix are the same age - and Adrien remembers Felix as a child, and Chloe also remembers them both as children
@@hazeclarke I did se she confirmed it, but I still can’t accept it until it’s stated in the show😭😩
For me, it makes perfect sense for the rabbit miraculous to be the first one back. If it wasn’t, then every time Ladybug and Chat Noir got one back, he could just use the rabbit miraculous to travel back in time to get it.
Honestly I have a personal little theory of mine where they're gonna defeat the snake villain by using the Ox.
If the Ox is immune to powers then theoretically they would remember things after second chance is used, effectively giving them the possibility to keep beating the snake over and over until the snake gets tired of it or they actually manage to win
Ahhh yes!
If that’ so, then couldn’t it also be used (by the villain) to remember things they shouldn’t (such as an accidentally revealed identity)after the MIRAAACLUOUSSS LAAADYBUUUUUUGG?
@@qasimkhan8939 i mean that's another use for it, but remember if the villain was akumatized they wouldn't remember anything, and gabriel wouldnt either because time was rewound so basically only the person using the ox would remember those disasters in that case
@@slaybutton1692 the way Marinette doesn’t remember cn’s identity after chat blanc but she remembers it happened?
@@qasimkhan8939 we're talking about completely different miraculouses here, More like how Luka remembers Ladybug's ans Chat Noir's identities but noone else knows he even saw them.
In case of the akuma victim it's just the fact they forget everything in most cases so it wouldn't matter if they knew
I have a theory with what Gabriel could do with the Pig Miraculous. If you think back to Chat Blanc, Hawkmoth akumatizes Chat Noir which resulted in his Miraculous Power to be even more powerful and I assume he will do the same thing when he hands out all these Miraculous to the Akumatize villain. With this in mind, you could easily have Hawkmoth modify the miraculous power where instead of just the miraculous showing a person's deepest desire, the person's deepest desire also became reality, but the persons greatest desire attacks them. Or you can have Hawkmoth attempt to use the Pig miraculous on Ladybug and Chat Noir and tries to attempt to find out their greatest desires as a clue to their secret identity's.
Oooo interesting!
I HAVE HAD A THEORY: (Sorry was in the shower when this idea came to me and I just had to share it somewhere!)
I don’t think it is a coincidence that Hawk Daddy looses one of, if not the, most powerful miraculous’ right after getting it. I personally believe the first few episodes, before Illusion, we will see Hawk Daddy fuse with the miraculous of the fox. When his akuma is defeated he would then be able to cast Mirage in order to be able to attempt to reclaim the miraculous after the defeat. However, because Ladybug and Chat Noir always check on their former attacker, they will quickly learn how his method works. This will put Hawky in a bind where he has to choose preserving his identity, but not getting the miraculous back or the opposite.
This is how he looses such a powerful miraculous so quickly and decides to change tactics by using less powerful ones until he refines his technique. However his plan to intercept the miraculous’ continues failing.
Here is where Lila becomes involved:
She, knowing who Hawk Daddy is, gives him a little bit of sass about how many powers he has already lost. Then she proposes to him a solution.
Having a different person use the Fox to reclaim the miraculous in order to let him preserve his secret identity. Making sure to lay it on real thick that the individual to do that should be her.
Of course, this is a win win for Hawk, as he wouldn’t have to put himself at risk and would (Seemingly) get more miraculous back to distribute again.
With Lila now a member of the villain team, Hawk informs her of all the former holders he knows as a way for her to know who to stay clear from and who is 100% loyal to ladybug.
However, I think Lila will get Cocky about having taken away the fox miraculous away from Ayla. Teenagers, especially ones like Lila, cannot help but flaunt their victories. She exposes herself as Volpina the holder of the Fox to Ayla in an attempt to make her jealous and resentful enough to be akumatized. However, she is not aware of Ayla’s knowledge of Ladybug’s identity and so does not see Ayla keeping her composure and outing Lila to Ladybug coming.
This is why the fox is recovered so quickly into the season.
I believe Lila will tell Hawk Daddy that she has learned her lesson, and that no one would ever suspect that he would ever trust her with a miraculous again-after being so reckless with the first one.
This will lead to him giving her the dog as a last chance for her to prove his loyalty to him.
She will not loose the dog miraculous to
her own actions, but instead will be akumatized with it as an effort to show that Lila is not working as closely with Hawk Daddy anymore.
This is when Hawky begins to train her as his successor to become the next Hawkmoth.
This is just my personal theory, and I would love to hear what you all think!! 🥰
Ahhhh yes! I love this idea bestie!
This has kind of made me wonder why Gabe didn't just give akuma villains the same powers as the miraculous? Like he could give them anything? Why not?
I also wonder if the Destruction Episode is when Chat finally learns about Chat Blanc.
That is very true!
I've been thinking what if when Cat Noir learns about Cat Blanc will he renounce his miraculous out of fear of becoming Cat Blanc?
@@vermiciousknid2456 I never thought of that but probably not
I think people underestimate the pig miraculous. In Guilt Trip, Pigella used it to show what Reflekta really wanted as Juleka. So used for evil, think of it like Wishmaker. Yeah, Wishmaker is giving them their childhood dreams, but it revealed who Adrien and Marinette were. The pig miraculous could then reveal what a person's deepest wish is, which could reveal who the characters are. Or it can be used not unlike sandboy. They could see what the person truly cares about, then ransom that against them.
Let's say (since it seems they'll get the Snake miraculous back early), Luka gets hit with gift, and it shows he just wants to see Marinette be happy or something, no matter what. So then they could send a bad guy to Marinette's house and the rest of the team could think she's in danger and are distracted by wanting to protect her (much to Ladybug's chagrin). Or, if they have the fox miraculous, could create an illusion that she's in danger. It's a silly scenario but I have to get going and don't have much time to think about it more, lol.
My point being, the pig miraculous - not as useless as everyone makes it out to be!
Ahhh that’s a very good point!
Yes,the pig miraculous Is underestimate
Dawn Chorus Writes did a Christmas special story called Heart's Desire. The villain was the Christmas Ghost who exchanged people's energy for a vision of their hearts desire. Imagine Paris full of people frozen in place trapped in their own perfect Matrix, so yeah. The pig miraculous could be used for evil.
Dawn is a big fan of yours, btw.
Oooo interesting! Thank you bestie 🥰
I also believe that Hawk Moth will akumatized people in Paris and add a bonus to give them a miraculous just like the New York special and Ladybug and Cat Noir will definitely get the miraculous again one by one.
Cool. I'm very interested. I kind of hope they get the Butterfly and Peacock Miraculous back because I want to see how it is used for good. Unless Felix uses it for good lol.
A question - since Felix stole the Grimoire and Hawkdaddy didnt expect having access to all the miraculous, What if he is unable to actually use the miraculouses and only makes his victims “pretend” to be the wearers like Volpina? Like really - if Gabriel has access to every single miraculous he is just too OP and he can just use the bunny miraculous to go back in time and save Emilie. I feel like there has to be some kind of a setback. Also Hawkdaddy not being able to use the miraculouses would explain Why the more powerful miraculouses are lost so easily. Also I think that perhaps Felix gave Gabriel the miraculouses knowing he will be unable to actually use them since he doesnt have the grimoire. That boy is always one step ahead.
Ah Gabriel has a copy of the grimoire on his tablet :)
PS: and yeah I believe Hawkdaddy is so stupid to risk losing the miraculouses like this.
@@hazeclarke Yes but untranslated :-)
The reason he won't use the rabbit miraculous to save Emilie is because that's not his real goal. He may think so but really what he wants most is POWER! And I'm sure when he got Master Fu's tablet he copied the data just in case.
If Gabriel is smart, he'll make multiple akuma's and miraculouses to beat the heroes at once.
I do want him to give the Bee miraculous to Chloe, if only to see her ultimate reaction. Shit has gone down. Everyone is horrible. What're you gonna do? I can see Chloe choosing to be a hero, either from the small, remnant of goodness left in her or from the desire to be praised as a hero and seeing no benefit to being hated as Hawkmoth's lackey.
I think she’ll work with him at first and then betray him!
My thoughts
Peacock Felix
Fox/dog-Lila
Tiger- I can't remember name but party crusher guy
mouse- mr pigeon
Dragon-aurore(Stormy weather)
Rooster- I have feeling it will be Nathalie since next episode is revelation and duusu is a bird like orikko
Pig-i have feeling some little kid
Goat-I think hawk moth will give it to nathaniel not knowing he is real goat holder(Nathanel will get akumatized)
Bee- Chloe ofc
snake- adrien, ephemeral also has time powers
I think that sandboy is going to be the pig miraculous holder
@@walkingcat7630 Good point, Sandboy is great character, Also maybe Wishmaker since both have Desire/nightmare powers Jubilation could be episode of some kind of reval maybe will pig holder use gift on Cat noir showing his biggest desire -love from ladybug.
They need Rena back ASAP.
Yes!
Which is why Illusion is an early episode. Obviously Madame Volpina will not be as that smart as she lies.
The intro 😭 "R.I.P shadowdaddy but not your outfit cause it was ugly"
😂😂😂
The theory where mr rat is mr pigeon with the mouse Miraculous sounds hilarious
Riding his pidgeons like horses it sounds amazing ASTRUC MAKE IT HAPPEN
IT WOULD BE AMAZING
Maybe the Pig Miraculous can be used for evil similarly to the Eagle where the user is just sort of stuck in the trance of seeing their greatest desire (think Wishmaker without the transforming into the desire)
wow, this kinda brought a bit more theories to this-
* I do perhaps see Gabriel giving miraculous out to adults but there’s the idea of he knows some of the identities of the wearer and I do have the theory that he may force the kwamis to tell the identities of the other people and he then akumitizes them and gives them back their miraculous
*like for episode five (Illusion): I originally considered that maybe Gabriel would go after Alya and turn her against Ladybug at the thought of making Alya think that Ladybug doesn’t see her as a good hero, making her think she was forced to give up her miraculous (I do not see this for all episodes, maybe like in “Intuition”, “Perfection”, “Protection”, and so on with people like Luka reackumitized, Kagami, Nino, and possibly even others who we haven’t seen akumitized in seasons like Marc, Nathenial, and Ivan)
but now that it was mentioned, I originally saw Lila not to make a “proper” appearance working with Gabriel until the “Transmission” and “Deflagration” episodes but now, I do see Lila being with the fox before the “Illusion” episode where she is akumitized, to be a much stronger villain and be like my other idea with Chloe and the bee miraculous in both of them being secondary villains of this season but I do not see Lila being given the dog (could be total wrong and be the reason why the dog miraculous is taken back by Ladybug but Hawkmoth loses a miraculous about every episode so if Gabriel gives Lila the dog to retrieve back all those miraculous, then why is he still losing them after every episode but if this does happen, the dog miraculous is not hugely a powerful miraculous but it’s a more useful one so it would kinda explain why Gabriel hangs onto it for so long)
*another thing I would like to point out is that the butterfly miraculous, how Gabriel is using it, is not it’s original purpose (in creating superheroes to help along side the other miraculous holders) so going off of that, I do see in most of the miraculous in each episode being turned to be used for evil so for an episode like “Jubilation”, whoever the akumitized villain is, instead of the wearer bring joy to whoever they are giving the “gift”, they could instead bring despair, easily dropping down Ladybug and Cat Noir a peg, making them unhappy
*another example could be with the goat miraculous where whoever is akumitized with the goat may still be able to conjure an object but Gabriel may give them the ability to make whatever object they conjure to have some magical property, like evolving the miraculous with his akumitized butterflies basically how he was able to do with Chloe in both “Queen Wasp” and in “Miracle Queen”
*another thing that I am hoping to see is what the full transformation and deformation words are for wearer like the pig, horse (which I can’t remember if we heard it or yet), tiger, and the mouse (not all of them but the mouse, it’s “Mullo, Get Squeaky”, so I think maybe it is “Squeak Off” or “Cheese Off”) and then also both transformation sequence and the transformation words for wielders like the goat, ox, and rooster (which I do not like that we are not going to be seeing Marc until very much later so another thing I am hoping for is that in each episode, or in some episodes like “Pretension”, “Passion”, and “Determination”, Ivan, Nathenial, and Marc get some screen time to have their own with learning how to rework their powers, get their own introductory episode, and transformation sequence (and also Sabrina) but I do understand why episodes such as “Pretension” are much later)
*I also perhaps see, thinking of all the kwamis except Tikki and Duusu are living under the same roof as Adrien and Plagg, Plagg was able to somewhat sense Nooroo and Duusu in “Ephemeral”, I am kinda wondering how Gabriel is going to do that because he can’t trap the kwamis in his own box like Marinette has and then bring them out when he wants. I kinda suspecting he may inactive them within their own miraculous, forcing them to come out when he needs them but that may be a little touch dark for kids to see…I don’t know
*I also get why the bunny miraculous is taken first with the idea it is a very powerful one so what I am thinking is that Gabriel has the mindset of putting out one of the more powerful miraculous first, thinking that whoever his akumitized wearer is, will be able to easily defeat Ladybug and Cat Noir but Ladybug and Cat Noir are able to so Gabriel changes his mindset and starts using the much more “weaker” miraculous like the pig and mouse first and then like a chess game, moves up to more powerful miraculous
*and, going off of that Ladybug gets back the bee miraculous in “Action”, it kinda seen by me that Gabriel may loses Nooroo in the two parter “Conformation” and “Re-Creation”, Chloe seeing (if she is given the chance to be the bee miraculous wielder once again) that Gabriel has lost so she starts causing her own chaos and probably, at the end of “Re-Creation”, Chloe starts creating chaos, both Cat Noir and Ladybug look out and realize that there still one more out there, possibly cursing if this was more of a teenager show, then that leads into the “Action” episode
Love all your ideas bestie! Although I don’t think Gabriel can force them kwamis to do that as we saw in Sandboy that Tikki couldn’t even say Marinette’s name to Plagg so I don’t think he could force them. Same way they won’t be able to tell Mari when she gets them back. Although I am wondering if they can give her hints about his identity?
I now just realized how much stress Marinette has on her, she has to support an entire country on her back everyday. No wonder she didn't want to keep her friends in gang of secrets, the entirety of paris's safety was on Marinette keeping up the dollhouse in her room until her friends left the room. Who knows what would've happened if she was clumsy, ShadowPie would've won. Because there is no chance one wouldn't get akumatized. She lost all the miraculous and she said she is the worst guardian in the entire existence, but that's not true though she still has the miracle Box Master FU lost everything except the turtle miraculous
She’s doing an amazing job for something so stressful
She is doing an amazing job, without Felix Gabriel would've probably lost, i dont think the smartest person in the miraculous world would have known that Felix was Adrien for that day. Ladybug was gonna give Adrien a miraculous because she trust him, it wasn't her fault that she lost
3:45 Well you were partially right as after Lila/Cerise/Iris/Drizella/Edna Mode or whatever other identity she comes up with got akumatized into Volpina in Revelation, she did receive the fox miraculous (though indirectly) to become Hoaxer while Mayoress Chloé Bourgeois in Revolution got akumatized into the final variation of Queen Wasp called Queen Mayor indirectly received the power of other miraculouses along with hers.
soo all the episodes that we will see I believe happens how it happened in miracle queen or queen wasp, like the akumatized a villain and then give them the miraculous for extra power and then when ladybug and chat noir will fight and win they get the miraculous back, so I assume nothing big will happen in episode 1 to 9 then maybe the 2 parter there might be a little bit big going on and then its where the intensity begins, but interesting that there is no queen wasp so it means that the villain's names are based on the power of the kwami and along with that the extra powers that hawk moth will give, and the interesting thing is that chat noir said at the end of risk that 'until the very last' could it be referring to the miraculous of creation cuz I see an episode title that is called 're-creation' which is the first part of the finale of the last day, perhaps a last miraculous to target at? and the few things that might happen is that
.ladynoir canon
.ladybug will get all the miraculous one by one meaning per-episode
. chat noir might get akumatized
.ladybug might get akumatized
.the reveal
.Adrien and Marinette work together to get all the miraculous back after episode 20 which is revelation
Quick thought as you're talking about not seeing any way how the pig miraculous could be used in an "evil" way: Just try to imagine the inverse of that power. I mean, let's go back to the butterfly miraculous for an example. In an ideal situation the butterfly power is meant to be used to create champions. The user is supposed to, I guess, sense the positive vibes of somebody with a righteous cause. Somebody who wants to protect something. To do something helpful. It offers them the power to do that, and includes safeguards to rein them in if they go overboard with it. Gabriel subverted that power. He senses negative vibes. Pain. Anger. He offers them power to dish out petty revenge in the most over the top way possible. He rarely exercises that safeguard because he's relying on the chaos to draw out the users of the ladybug and black cat. So how about the pig power, then? Well, you could say that the pig as we've seen it used also kinda taps into positive vibes. An object is summoned which embodies a happy / soothing memory which instantly alters the target's mood. So the opposite of that would be a power that affects a target negatively, pulling up painful memories and riling them up. He wouldn't need to wait for the right akuma opportunity to come up naturally. He wouldn't need to engineer a situation to rile someone up. He could just inject an appropriately foul mood into any target he wants and then send the akuma to them.
Oooo I see!
Imagine if he akumatised chris....and gave him a miraculous 😂 ngl I can imagine him doing it.
Oh god 0_0. That would be hilarious 😂
😂😂😂😂
I imagine in Derison there'll be a scene where ladybugs power gets messed like in miracle queen, but Gabe wins and Alix must go back in time
What if the pig miraculous if used for evil purposes, would show you your greatest fear or nightmare...Cat Blanc for Ladybug??👀
Ahhh yes!
But the power is literally just the persons greatest wish
@@MoodKent but the miraculous powers are way more than just that. For example, shadowmoth created a more powerful akuma that he didn't know he could create before.
We might see Alix get a miraculous this season to help ladybug and chatnoir since she has failed :O
let's take a moment to think about the fact that when haze edited this video, she had to actively search for, screenshot, copy and then look at the image of Nino's ear interior.
RIP her sanity
You’re currently speaking to traumatised haze
@@hazeclarke maybe you should get someone you trust to edit your videos for you-
About gabriel using the rabbit miraculous to prevent emilies sickness;
For that, he’d have to prevent her from creating adrien and/or felix and Felix was the one that got him all the miraculous. Maybe he wants to keep them as well as emlie?
I don’t think he can do both
@@hazeclarke which is why that won’t happen in the episode. Also if an akuma villain uses the ox miraculous, wont he be immune to Hawkmoth too?
@@qasimkhan8939 imagine if the villains of miraculous would help ladybug
The thing is: Literally everything can happen next season🤫 (I'm not gonna survive it🙀)
Lmao yes!
We ain't surviving it bestie
You are still alive after episode 26???
OMG finally, someone else knew that there are production bases and standarts in this show!! Litteraly some people are really hating stuff without knowing how production standarts work. I think one of those standarts is that they need to put a villain to every episode. Since season 6 & 7 will be a new beginning, story standarts might be different.
Hold on people don’t realise kids shows have to follow a set structure? 😅😅 and Miraculous’s structure is so obvious with the villain each episode 😂 it would be interesting if it does change in the following two seasons though!
@@hazeclarke Yes, they doesn't realise it and say that they wanna rewrite and reproduce the whole thing. People who works on these kind of stuff knows better. It explains that a bunch of fanfictions in many shows can be better than the actual series, cause people are free to do whatever they want without and rules. That makes the writing some sort of art.
I am very satisfied with this show being family friendly, but if the rating was higher, at least the producers will have more freedom and can put their ideas in it. They also hate the 20 min episode limit. I am exited to read those upcomming comic books telling about secondary stuff in the show!!
This all makes sense great theory bestie!
And yeah the pig miraculous...
Hawk daddy have already lost his mind so if no one can think what it'll be useful for him then we can't expect anything from him- unless a great mind helps him-
Lmao idk what he’d do with it
@@hazeclarke Same bestie it can be used for good but evil
He needs to know that every miraculous can't be used for evil-
I mean, he could use it to determine people’s deepest desires and use those against them?
What if it will be the hardest one
@@qasimkhan8939 Wow maybe he can
During Strike Back episode, the way Lila smiled watching Natalie struggling from her condition makes me believe that she is now anticipating to be more needed and indispensable by Gabriel, thus she knew Gabriel is Shadowmoth all along.
I agree!
Guys, if it's used for "evil" do you know if Hawk Daddy has to figure out the new catchphrases to activate the miraculous? Like "Dark Wings Rise" rather than "Light/Wings Rise?" for Nooroo?
Or is this all in the book he has translated...
It’s in the grimoire :)
Doesn't Felix have the tablet with Grimoire information now? Or did Felix return it as well? I forget.
I have such low expectations that I think the writers are just going to akumatize the holders of the miraculous and then just make them have them permanently when defeated. There’s no way any adult gets a miraculous imo
you're probably right XD
I have an exam tomorrow but this is more important...
Omg please study bestie 💖
My exam started 4 days ago and I still have 1 day to go
Haze - you just wrote season 5! I hope Thomas Astruc and co have your number; if not, they're missing out on some terrific story pitches.
The plot device of GabrielHawk-ExShadowDaddy handing a Miraculous to one he akumatises has been teed up in the New York Special, where we saw the Eagle Miraculous used both for evil and for good. We've also had hints that the Ladybug Miraculous could be used for evil as well as for good - one thinks in particular about "Antibug" and the illusory akumatised Ladybug in "Catalyst," showing what it would look like if the Ladybug powers were used for evil; we also saw "Dearest Family," in which Tikki created the giant galette, an act that whilst not inherently evil was certainly dangerous, proving that Kwamis themselves are on the fence of the moral spectrum and can turn to good or evil without batting an eyelid. And in "Feast" we had a glimpse of the opposite case - a portrait of a past Butterfly Miraculous holder using it for good rather than evil. So, it is entirely possible that any Miraculous can serve either side.
This gets us into the realm of the (very real world) story of choices and actions being preeminent over skills, attributes and artifacts - the Harry Potter franchise dealt with it most memorably via Dumbledore's line that it is our choices that make us who and what we are. Miraculous has added its own strands to this, however, by showing that selfish use of a Miraculous can have disastrous consequences and that some people are better fits than others for each specific Miraculous. If Gabriel cannot grasp this, his efforts are doomed, and therein lies the path to victory for the heroes.
How might the Pig Miraculous be used for evil? One suspects that an akumatised villain could use the Gift power to trick the heroes into thinking they have succeeded, or perhaps the villain could use it to recruit help against the heroes.... We shall see what ultimately transpires!
Lmao he couldn’t pay me enough to have to listen him to be rude in real life too
That’s very interesting! It definitely will be down to their choices this season. I’m sure ladybug and cat noir will succeed but I am worried about them both
@@hazeclarke It's natural to worry, given how thickly against them the deck is stacked... However, Ladybug has learned an important lesson from season 4: she needs Cat Noir, and now that he's all she's got, she will have to work closely with him anyway. And that word "closely" could have more than one significance going forward. Even if she isn't in love with him, she has now seen just how much he loves her - his is not just the infatuation that annoyed her so much over four seasons, but a pure love that can clearly survive anything.
A way that the pig could be used for evil is emotional manipulation. You can use the desires you see to manipulate people or just cause emotional harm which would help hawkmoth.
Ooo I like it!
The way this is a kids show brings joy to my heart knowing that they will not be able to make it too heartbreaking.
I think reunion is going to be the peacock miraculous "duusu" getting together with all the other kwamis. Cause idk why Felix would need it, maybe he needs to make something?
that's what i'm counting on too! like i think the only character who will die will be Emilie
@@hazeclarke yeah
i feel like chloe will go back into being a superhero since pollen’s the last episode of season 5 she might get a huge character development for the whole season
I think it's pretty obvious that ladynoir will try to retrieve the bunny miraculous first since its arguably the most powerful and dangerous since the number of ways it can be used is endless....but tbh I dont think gabriel has enough braincells to use the bunny miraculous smartly...someone please donate a brain and a heart to poor hawkdaddy😂( I miss shadowdaddy:( ) ....even if he has lila or an adult helping him...it will still be hard
As for episode, that would be the episode about love pancakes ?? Which are not harmless?? These titles are scaring me to death I swear-
Ah yeah I hope Nathalie helps him too!
Yes! The potentially dangerous “love pancakes” 🤣 Like this season isn’t going to be crazy enough, they drop a hint about pancakes being important… I can’t 🤣🤣
My theories for s5 are:
1. Ladybug/marinette would have a new fear, she would have to have a hard time trusting Adrien when Felix completely fooled her after he acted like he was Adrien, and she would also maybe find comfort in chat noir thus showing him how she trusted him more than before.
2. Chat noir gets power upgrades like controlling his cataclysm regarding in size, power, intensity etc. And spreading bad luck to his will.
3. Gabriel getting weaker after using the miraculous. Master fu stated clearly in Kwamibuster that it is risky to combine/wear all the miraculous at once especially if they are still not emotionally and mentally prepared. We saw how marinette almost fainted after a few seconds of wearing all the miraculous and i would love to see how that would affect Gabriel since he is ironically emotionally unstable (cause of the whole emilie thing) and is close to being mentally deranged as to show how he acted in s4 finale risk when he was talking to Nathalie especially when she looked at him worriedly after he left. It's a great theory for me that Gabriel would slowly lose his mind by having/using too much of the miraculous' powers especially since he is using it for the worst way possible.
3. Hawkmoth would probable blackmail the miraculous wielders that ladybug picked into joining his side like what he did to chloe before since he knows that ladybug specifically chose them because they had potential so he might blackmail them and take advantage of their low times. Although I highly see most of them disagreeing with hawkmoth I'm still anxious about chloe and lila since both of them are assets to hawkmoth and how chloe smiled at lila at the end penalteam suggests that she is up to no good.
4. I would also think that Nathalie would try to save Gabriel from getting deranged for using the miraculous as she witnesses him slowly giving into the power it gives, since we all know that she only helps gabriel because she sees his reasons as something valid, maybe she would think otherwise if this happens and would work behind Gabriel's back to give Ladybug back the miraculous. I would like to think that she would think it throughly since she is a smart woman and she would make a move to save Gabriel from getting crazy.
5. Something is telling me that the episode where chat blanc and hawkmoth appeared in Mari's nightmare is a really important foreshadowing for s5/s6/s7 I think that that specific scene would play a big role especially since it showed how much mari was scared of Chat blanc especially when she found out she couldn't transform.
6. I also have this theory where as loving and caring parents, Sabine and tom would give Mari strict curfew or ground her in her room because they are slowly losing their trust in ladybug. This would lead to mari doubting her capabilities and thinking that half of paris probably thinks of her that way. Alya would probably also be cautious when adrien is around and get mari away from his as far as possible since they couldn't trust Felix if he is still acting in place of adrien.
7. Maybe we could get a more in dept view of what really happened to emilie in 501 since its evolution then gabriel using it to see emelie before her coma is something that is not surprising.
8. And maybe a more in dept explanation of Felix's actions in the London special, maybe they would also explain the family feud in that movie.
A lot of theories are swirling in my head and this is not even half of what I'm having, I do hope that they show these in s5.
Completely agree about Mari! She’s gonna be so scared of Adrien now after the trauma of it all! And id definitely hope Cat Noir gets a power upgrade
I love the idea about Gabriel! But I do have a feeling he won’t use them all at once, maybe 3 max at a time, not sure the others could be convinced to betray ladybug though
Love the idea about Mari’s parents!
Never underestimate how smooth gabes brain is.
What I wanna know? Is why lila looked so pleased when nathalie relapsed. What did nathalie do to her? God, i hope she doesn’t have a thing for him
Oh god I do doubt that
For 19 I am honestly SURPRISED he didn't think of using that to just save his wife. Like "I give myself the power to reverse the damage caused by any miraculous" or "I give myself the power to heal magical damage". First testing on natalie, then his wife. Boom.
Or "I give myself the power to locate any current miraculous holder" then host an agreste fashion event with invites for all. Walk by the people there and then win.
Yeah idk why. Like just akumatise Nathalie into a doctor who can cure anything. Done
I bet that Hawk Moth will give Bob Roth the pig miraculous and turn him in to the super villain Bribery, who can commit bribery with peoples deepest wishes.
Oooo that’s a cool idea!
I’ve been waiting for your thoughts, Haze! I love all the ideas and speculation you made, and omg yes we need Mousier Rat NOW. I also highly believe that Hawk daddy will give the dragon miraculous to Tomoe, Kagami’s mother.
Edit: I do think Gabriel will definitely give Nathalie a Miraculous. It would make a a lot of sense, I just don’t know which one. I also do think he’s gonna akumatized the bodyguard to become Gorizilla again and make him use the Ox Miraculous
Ooo she would be so cool with the dragon!
@@hazeclarke Kagami!
You disobeyed me!
Now face my Elemental wrath!
YESSSSS finally a video talking about villains
Imagine what daddy agreste whould look like with the bunny miraculous 💀
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You have a way of always providing new content whenever I need something to listen to while I work😂❤
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He can akumatize the heroes and combine the power example he akumatizes Ivan into stone heart but gives him the ox miraculous as well
Also Ezra hired a VC for Emilie
Allow me to say, every miraculous can be used for both good and evil including the miraculous of the ladybug and the black cat
If I were to release the miraculous from my hand one by one, I would surely use the dog miraculous on them so that if the villain loses, I would get them back immediately. Although that's just my opinion. And unfortunately I’m not as 'evil a genius' as Gabriel.
Imagine if the villains of miraculous will help ladybug and cat noir
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OoooooooO noice theory bestieeee!!!😩
I am so excited to see what happens in season five even tho me not ready yet but ey we were never ready for the finale but survived we shall die in this season but worth it!
Thank you bestie 💖
Hey, Haze. Sorry that I am only seeing this now, I was extremely busy today. Also, glad to see that the show is finally showcasing some lasting consequences. Can't wait to see how things play out?! 😁👍💯🐞🌈
Don’t worry about it bestie! I hope you had a good day 💖
Here are some necessary petitions:
Petition for ladynoir to own season 5👑❤
Petition for adrien to get the happiness and the cookies he deserves along with some braincells🥺💛
Petition for marinette to be happy in season 5 ...I want her smile backkkk🤧💕
I NEED TO GIVE ADRIEN A HUG 🥺
@@hazeclarke same bestie🥺I am giving him all my cookies
I think that in season 5, Gabirel will be giving away miraculouses to almost all former owners by akumatizing them.
He can't to some people like alya and luka because they knew the identity and probably not zoe also because hello Chloe
I know what you said about Chloe but I think she might have a redemption ark judging by the reaction she had when hawk moth revealed he had all of the miraculous
I think she willl too :) she’ll work with Gabriel at first through
You know what would be cool? If the Miraculous had evil counterparts instead, like a different set of magic jewels that people could use to turn into supervillains, I can totally see how the Butterfly and Peacock can be used for good and I don’t doubt that they at some point but it feels like they were made to be evil. I wanna make a fanfic with this idea but I don’t have any ideas for the powers of the “Evil Miraculous” (tho I might call them the Malicious), what creature they should be based on or if they should even have kwamis (or something like them). If anyone has any ideas let me know
That would be awesome!
I’m really afraid of intuition because if Hawk daddy messed up, he could just go back in time. 😱😭
i'm worried too!
5:42 Couldn't they pick a moment where they know the heroes were transformed and watch them while they detransform? Bunnix is shown to watch the events that led to chat blanc. Couldn't Gabriel do this (and vice versa, Ladybug could have went to the day of miracle queen and just followed them from inside the burrow when they left on that giant moth thing, strike back with the froggy thing showed me they could find a moment in time)
Ahhh that’s a good point!
Since Gabriel is a grown up he could use the rabbit miraculous to go back to the day he fixed the peacock miraculous and go back to the day Emily used it and they go back to the present
Jubilation well um i guess Ladybug (and Chat Noir) are probably gonna see some Adrien content
lila is suspicious. no, not suspicious of someone. just suspicious. like she's the most likely candidate for being the impostor in amogus
im so excited for the progress of the ships and lila getting more screen time! have a nice day bestie
Thank you bestie 💖
The miraculous from the new york special, would really come in great hand right now. Maybe ladybug gets a new miraculous back each day. Or maybe she goes to look for different miraculous boxes.
Hopefully Ladybug and Chat Noir will return all the miraculouses from Hawkmoth and they'll defeat him in the final battle in this season, but if they can't, I'm gonna cry. And I'm truthfully sure Lila will the next butterfly miraculous user in the next season🤔
I think she will be!
If she will they are scored because she is the second smartest person in the hole show
I can wait to see Evolution, Destruction , Emotion and Perfection and also Action!!!!
You would think that Gabriel would use the most powerful one first. So its faster to get Ladybugs and Chat noirs miraculous. You wouldn't use the least powerful right? Thats common sense. So it makes sense that he loses the bunny miraculous first and then maybe he realises he needs to be careful not to lose good miraculous' so then uses good ones but not the least powerful ones.
I think that makes sense ;-;
Ah I see what you’re saying!
I wonder if the pig could be currupted and used to show someone their deepest fear instead of their greatest wish. I've always assumed that the butterfly is meant to be used to channel positive emotions, but since Hawkmoth is using it for evil, he uses negative emotions.
Ooo maybe!
Bestie....your video came out as soon as I was about to study- I mean of course I watched this first and don't worry, I am going to study now. All I can think about for season 5 is hawkdaddy moisturizing his brain with a smooth conditioner so there won't be any crinkles left BECAUSE THIS GROWN A- MAN IS GOING TO LOOSE THESE POWERFUL JEWELS ONE BY ONE.........BRO-
I am very hyped for season 5 and can't wait to see how these episodes go down, especially like the 2 part specials, the ones unrelated to the miraculouses, the last one after the 2 part finale.....it already has me anxious for season 6......THE EPISODE NAMED RE-CREATION IS SCARING ME BESTIE-. Oh well I'm happy that we finally got to see one of your theory videos, I do agree with what you say.
ALSO ! I think the pig miraculous can be used for evil to show people their deepest desires and get them rethinking their choice, kind of close to a Wishmaker scenario except it's a lil different, other than that- idk what else.
I am not worried about the miraculouses being retrieved....I am worried about everyone's mental health
MOISTURISING HIS BRAIN 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Damn Haze's roasting is on point in this video 💀💀💀👏👏
Thank you 😂😂
I think Bob Roth will get the Pig. You know, because Piggy Banks and stuff. He even wears a pink shirt so it'd work color scheme wise
Daddy Agreste is deathly afraid of sunlight.”
Love it, bestie. 😋
Thank you 😂😂😂
7:59 Actually I could see he could use that one to his advantages. Remember he can see whatever his akumatized victims see. So if he had them use the gift ability on them, with a modification with their form to see what the gift is.. It could be a way to find out their identities.. Like if used on ladybug... It would show her greatest desire, being with adrien, as marinette.
Ahhh good point!
I’ve seen theories that Gabriel will use the pig to try to figure out Ladybug and Cat Noir’s identities
If one would think about it, Hawk Moth should NOT make an appearance in season five because once Ladybug and Cat Noir see him, they'll see that's he's no longer Shadow Moth, and wonder what happened to the Peacock Miraculous as to why he's not using it very much, if not at all. They could realize that Felix made the deal to get the Peacock Miraculous... 😏
Ahhh that’s a good point!
I love your theories!💖
Thank you 🥰
I think hawk moth will now be called miracle moth