Actually have been building these for over a decade now, we even built a Magnuson supercharged version that made 755 lb-ft of torque. Coil on plug ignition with a FAST ECM. If you have any questions on how we did it just reply here and I will send you some info! The engine was featured in the August 2011 issue of Muscle Car Power Magazine. There is also an article in LSx magazine.
They explained why things are the way that they are. It's for race applications that require distributors and other older parts. The differences in water jackets, deck heights, intake ports etc, may have made things less than ideal. My takeaway from this, is it's for racing applications that require certain things like a distributor. For all other applications, use a run of the mill LS.
@@Shutchohole They make a timing cover to run a distributor on an LS.... circle track has been using it for years. The problem here is this episode is probably 10 or 15 years ago lol.
I was thinking the same thing... so if you change cams when they have more than one for this bastard child of GM motors you need to get a new prom burned... Why not just use a terminator X or similar type of system and get it changed without buying more expensive crap plus it can control fuel injection too if you want.
Those lifters and rockers are fresh, fresh on their way out with the way they sounded on those runs. Ouch !!! Would not want my engine sounding like it's got a half a quart of oil in it lol.
I didn't catch what brand they were, I used some comp lifters in an LS3 once, they were a zero preload lifter design, sounded like a damn sewing machine, but they worked just fine. I'd never use them again, but owner didn't mind the noise.
@@V8VRUte The Older in the 80's TRW 1/4 Turn Racing Hydraulic Lifters were AWESOME..Very Quite and Revved like Solids I actually used one Set in 2 different Motors ..Had them Re-Surfaced after the first Motor with 80+ k miles ..Sold the Second Motor in the Truck after 45k miles ..At that time Standard Lifters were like $2.50. EA. The TRW's were $7.50 EA. Worth every Penny of that .
No real advantage to the hybrid motor. Get some aftermarket heads that outflow the LS stuff and build a SB shortblock. Less expensive and easier. Hard to beat the old SB.
You get a more stable valve train while retaining the original mounts so it's perfect for me. I have a 70 rs camaro and I want to build an engine that will Rev high for a long time but one day I want to restore it to original and take it to auction
My small block I used Eskandarian camshaft along with their anti-pump up lifters works like solid lifters but hydraulic bad ass, my 327 is now up-to-date as far as that goes turbo 400 Street shift kit 373 true track rear end. In a 1940 Ford deluxe two door coupe! Yeah.
you lose a lot of torque running a turbo 400 with a small block especially a short throw small block to heavy of internals it robs the power big time a Turbo 350 built is sufficient!
For me... this block is the chance to use solid flat tappets with an LS head. Lose a bunch of hyd/roller mass and maybe gain an extra 1500 controllable rpm with the right grind/spring choices. Can't use offsets in anything but a roller, so I'm excited about this combo for other than the half swap LS factor, which is what this video centered on [unfortunately]. Go 13 degree on a set of gen1 style heads and that gets expensive - this combo can get you there for less.
concidering a gen 4 lq4 out of a junk yaRD WITH 20,000 MILES ON IT CAM SPRINGS AND INTAKE INJECTERS 2 TURBOS AND tune gets you a 1000 hp yeah🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 some like to spend it why i dont know!
lol. Yeah, unless you just want a weird engine or to comply with some dumb rule in some niche racing class I'm not sure what the advantage to this would be. That block has to cost way more than motor mounts and the LS bottom end uses 6 bolt mains, which are stronger than even splayed 4 bolt, and all modern seals. They also make exceptionally well flowing heads if you have an old-school small block and you need heads. It's neat but I don't see this catching on.
@@Shutchohole We heard the reason they gave, it's just kind of a dumb reason. This is about the most expensive way you could comply with a "must run a distributor" rule, ect.
@@Shutchohole no they didnt go back and listen to it again. They did mention a racing class that requires a distributor. You can buy a distributor kit for an LS cheaper than this abortion
When it comes to beautiful jewelery in the motor AND dependableity CROWER IS THE STUFF I USE Bruce Crower was a total genius at making stuff that is top notch his son fallows suit US made with pride quality there only product
A conversation piece is the only benefit of this I see lol. Even a stock junkyard 5.3 will handle more power than 90% of SBC’s so why use a SBC bottom end.
@O. Stone they were doing it with less than 5L back then too with 60s tech which was barely better than stock. there's nothing star spangled awesome about your ls engines that hasnt already been done 10,000 ways to Tuesday. The only difference is now idiots can do it by mindlessly bolting things on without knowing a thing about engines.
@@INSIDIOUS1986 no lol those blocks from the factory couldn't handle that kind of power, much less make said power, go flow your camel hump heads, then flow a set of 243/799 heads and see the difference for yourself.
@@INSIDIOUS1986 yea right. i guess thats why everyone knows about this legendary 207ci motor that the drag racing world worships. Next you're gonna try to tell me you had a 66' mustang with a 289 that would jump a coke bottle off the line 😂
Sorry guys. We get rectangle port 6.0 core motors for $500. They have 4bolt mains with 2 more crossbolts from the oil pan rail. A msd ls box is about $450. This video is a waste of money
I used to think these blocks were a good idea. But it turns out stock internals are just fine on engines without detonation problems and the ls parts are well designed. While the sbc has an oil pump that doesnt eat much power the ls has ventilation between cylinders, larger cam core, a cross bolted skirted block for noise rejection and main cap stability etc... The ls has proven that the importance of a forged crank in anything but a split pin v6 is highly over rated and if you don't have to buy racecar parts then why do it? The aftermarket has addressed the oil pan situation and the lack of a distributor and even with the hybrid block headers are still a consideration and now brackets can be an issue where they wouldn't be with a true full ls. I mean if you just love distributors mechanical fuel pumps it might seem like a good idea but for the cost of an aftermarket block you could just buy afr heads and keep the 23 degree setup. Heck you could but 15 or 13 degree race heads or some used sb2 or 18 degree heads.
I think it’s a cool build, but I would’ve used different lifters that’s for sure. Morel, Jesel or Crane, had to many problems with comp stuff, and I’m not the only one either.
I just used comp lifter's in my retro solid roller engine. 500 dollars so I'll report back if there's any issues. I went Edelbrock and compcams on everything for a old 350. IDK what the horsepower will be ? Any guesses?
@@pumpkin12030 480 horsepower and 480 torque. and if it really is just an ole stock block 350 , faive hudret hose powa! As soon as i just now realised you said solid roller, well hmm could be 450hp or 750 really no tellin unless umm, lets see, super victor intake, 14:1 compression, victor ported heads big solid roller cam, umm 625hp+ on the engine alone no power adders? oh, oh , oh wait you said 'retro' solid roller, hmmm, guessing edelbrock Victor JR heads, or did you get rpm heads? hmmm, lets see if you got vic heads , 11:1 , solid roller, victor jr intake, hmmm i would say more than 500hp+ easy. if it has rpm heads , and rpm intake, and smaller streetable comp retro solid roller cam i say 465hp to 475hp, and 460t-to-480 tq.
They do all these projects but never fess up to what it all costs. For the price of the special block and crank along with the rods pistons cam and lifters, you could probably build at least two 600 hp LS motors to put that set of LS heads on.
@@yeanah2571 this is more of a circle track endurance engine to be ran hard for a whole season before freshened up not really a budget dragracing engine hence the low compression JE Pistons made to run all night without seeing the south side of 5000rpm unless your under caution or loading it on the trailer
Yeah I'm clueless cuz I'm not a car guy I just like Beauty in the cars and the people that have the passion that's cool but I have no idea what things cost because you know I drive a fucking Toyota. It gets me where I need to get I want to drive to New Orleans for the weekend no problem
It’s great the aftermarket continues to support the SBC! Chevy engineers addressed many of the limitations when designing the LS1. Versions that followed such as LS3 are even more advanced. Pretty easy to make 600 hp at 376 ci with LS, and street manners like it’s not even modded. Think what it takes to equal that with a 383” SBC, and it weighs at least 100 lbs more than the LS3.
If they wanted to get 5 to 8 more horsepower they should have installed a 1 inch carb spacer plate only because those butter flys on the carb should be above to top of the runners and not even with them , also they should side gap all the plugs to expose the spark directly to the combustion chambers .
@@bigboreracing356 my ass is clean and what i have is a positive criticism. To buy a " special " sbc block to use with LS heads sounds about as bad as those lifters . I already have a built 350 which 350's aren't stock for 80's monte carlo's. With that said any time i order something i have to be careful if i do it online with the whole this does or doesn't fit yr car. I can't imagine trying to order stuff on the fly for this . Especially if you want to change brands. If it was a kit to fit any 350 that would be a whole different ball game. Just saying
Crazy to build this caliber of engine with a cast iron timing gear, i dont even use them in stock engines anymore since ive found 3 cam gears cracked with nothing more than a valve spring upgrade. Luckily they chose to do a cam change soon after spring upgrade
@@richardfinney3179 what do you do with your engines, drag race, street or?? Been looking at PC belt drives but if the quality matches most of their off shore junk i dont thing i will be willing to trust one on drag n drive events where the cars need reliability
Sounds good at first ,but it's a bad deal a stock alum ls block has been proven to handle 1400 hp or more ,so you will end up spending more money for less ,makes bad sence
I got true duals on my 91 350 k1500 with dual cherry bomb glasspacks and they sound super mean. I would have them over anything else out there especially when really broken in good!
No exaggeration , those Pro system SV-1 single blade carbs are super Snappy, i have heard transmission input shafts snapping and driveshafts breakage. An incredible part. Note this airing of episode was 2010 i have learned from the comments below.
Accessories, accessories. I would have put those adapter plates near the rear of the motor and snuck a return pipe under the manifold attached to that valley cover. Why... I might even be able to stick with oem radiator hoses. This build could put alternator and power steering down low but I want my air conditioning - damn the critics!
I don't see the point in this unless you just want to be different. The LS 6 bolt caps will hold more power than even a splayed cap SBC. As long as you're not moon tuning the LS you can hold 700-800 all day long on stock internals and 1000+ 7500rpm+ on forged gear.
I agree that's the only downside, the guys who designed it forgot to design the Coolant system for the Thermostat housing. Still be a Interesting conversation at a car show when Ya open the bonnet
Interesting, just wish, with these types of builds, they would include the costs. I realize that Labour can be subjective and can vary from location to location, but it would be nice, when they put these beasts together, to have a Cost, even breakdown, so us plebes could get a better appreciation of where we stand. Is it UnObtanium with a Dash of Not Gonna Happen? Or is it within the realm of possibilities, if I eat Macaroni for a year to scrape up the dough to make it happen.
Nothing in common with the old SBC but alot in common with a and 351w. Thrust bearing in the center, equal length ports, and same head design with 10 headbolts. I work at a machine shop for a living so I know.
Why do everyone think that lifters are like a spunge and 'soak' them for a time before assemble? Yes, they are 'hollow', and soaking them might not ensure the air to get out. But when priming the oilsystem with a drill while turning the engine slowly it will get the air out, and.. suprise! lube them also :)
The glass pack is the loudest. Run it for a bit and the fiberglass blows out and it becomes a straight pipe. Alternatively pour some gas in it and light it to burn off the fiberglass before installing.
fiber glass doest burn its a fct the steel wool does fiberglass is fire proof as you can get if a fiber glass boat burns you literally could wash the fiber glass and lay up the same boat again!
Kick azz upgrade, you haters make it obvious you dont even own a car yet lol Cheaper than doing an SB2.2.....guessing we would have to buy pistons for 15 deg heads? Like this, can have huge airflow and not have to change everything. Carb and HEI would be my choice. Solid roller, of course!!
@@bigboreracing356 you do realise the 7.0 Ls7 has 505 horsepower and you can get one for 4k right? And the 7.3 Godzilla is 430 horsepower and cost 7k. And the godzilla is a almost direct copy of a L.s being a pushrod v8 that's very similar. And there's almost 0 aftermarket for Ford and endless for GM. You can also get a used Ls7 very cheap. I'm not even a brand loyal gm guy and know that.
@@jkirk7811 You can also just get a big block chevy and have more displacement and power than an LS7. Does that mean we shouldn't bother with the LS7? Not everyone cares about $/hp. The Godzilla is the new thing. I hope people start playing with it. It's also not a copy of the LS. It's designed to be an option to the powerstroke in pickups. And given how nuts they've gone with all this emission stuff on diesels I'd say the Godzilla is a welcome alternative.
Oh... priming the block is easier for one, and there is a bunch of gen 1 parts to choose from for the bottom end. Little things like oil pan design/clearancing for certain muscle cars would make this a good way to enjoy a set of LS heads without getting into alot of odd details and extra fitment issues. This project is for somebody going to build a new motor anyway, not refresh an old workhorse.
Some guy did put LS heads on a FSB . Had to have a special cam ground. But it did run and put out decent power till he put a turbo or two on it and blew rod through block. I'm vid is still on TH-cam
To everybody asking why? Because of horsepower losses from oil windage. A LS deep skirt is far superior for strength, esp under forced air, but the air and oil doesntt move around as well. This setup is extremely niche', purpose built, class rules beating that actually works. But for 99.999% of the enthusiast, it is pointless
I'd rather my conversation be about my LS7 or all aluminum BBC rather than a $2500 iron SBC with a $3500 crank with less stroke than a stock 5.3 LS. All I can surmise is World Products must have [had] a powerful boomer in their management to make this happen.
This decibel meter is helpful. Why don't manufacturers give us this information so we actually know how loud something is? Instead of mild or aggressive.
Because they can't rate it for everything it might go on. Test it on a beefy 350 in a Camaro, some guy puts it on a big block Chevelle and gets a different result, and starts whining about it. So just rate them mild or aggressive and save the headache.
For the way they always talk I'm wondering if there talking about the engine. Always talking about studding, lubbing, sticking it in, stroking and nutty. It's straddling the top of the block.
What would be the bill for a kit like this. Everything you have shown? Thanks much. I thought by now one of the head manufacturer would have come up with dual over cam heads? Would take some extra machine work to mount a cam drive system but could be maybe de stronger than a coyote. Thanks for this video.
Inverted dome is different than dished. Inverted dome has a dish that is shaped to mirror the shape of the combustion chamber. Dish refers to a circular depression in the piston crown.
I've had the best luck with thrush turbo mufflers on streetcar even had a 240Z put a 3 in exhaust with a three-inch turbo muffler really woke up the six banger it was already balanced and blueprinted from the factory one of the first thousand they made serial number 00866
My dad used to say he would get his glass packs the old thrusher glass packs really hot and then hit them with cold water and he said it would shatter all the glass and then you could blow it out the tailpipe and it would give it a better sound is there any truth to that
So why does 1 engine have the distributor in the back like an old style should. Goes to a commercial break before the muffler section. When they come back the distributor has moved to the front. WTH?
So...about 600hp for......about $10k? $15k? You could make the same or more on a stock bottom end LS with a turbo for 1/2 what they spent on this build.
this episode is about 12 years old people didnt really know how good the ls was back then also people didnt know how to do it untill people started teaching how on youtube.
This show stirs up nostalgia. Feels like a 1998 Saturday morning
Cuz it never changed.
This is insane. Can't believe this thing has been around for a decade and I hadn't ever hear of it.
World Products came up with this closer to 15 years ago, not 10
Actually have been building these for over a decade now, we even built a Magnuson supercharged version that made 755 lb-ft of torque. Coil on plug ignition with a FAST ECM. If you have any questions on how we did it just reply here and I will send you some info! The engine was featured in the August 2011 issue of Muscle Car Power Magazine. There is also an article in LSx magazine.
I would like some information on how you did it.
Steve how can I get that info from you thanks
This show actually first aired in 2010...
@@louieatienza8762 That makes sense
Interested
They should have made LS heads fit the sbc. Would have sold more..
I agree totally stupid, and also to not make it a 6 bolt LSX pattern on the block. Midas well just build a 6.0 iron block LS
They explained why things are the way that they are. It's for race applications that require distributors and other older parts.
The differences in water jackets, deck heights, intake ports etc, may have made things less than ideal.
My takeaway from this, is it's for racing applications that require certain things like a distributor. For all other applications, use a run of the mill LS.
@@Shutchohole so just put a distributor on an LS
@@Shutchohole They make a timing cover to run a distributor on an LS.... circle track has been using it for years. The problem here is this episode is probably 10 or 15 years ago lol.
Yea they should have done that a long time ago
Man...that older guy always sounds like he's hammered
LOL
Slurrin all over the place lol ah well nice work if you can get it lol.
Have to be to build an engine of this expense with a cast iron cam gear and post a video of an engine that sounds like its running on bubble wrap
Dentures.
Nah, he's in "maintenance" mode on these shoots.
A prom programmed for your engine? Damn aged itself hard there 😂
Glad I'm not that only one who caught that
I was thinking the same thing... so if you change cams when they have more than one for this bastard child of GM motors you need to get a new prom burned... Why not just use a terminator X or similar type of system and get it changed without buying more expensive crap plus it can control fuel injection too if you want.
You guys are kidding right this is just a highly glorified commercial
Hey why don't we just use the money and go buy a cup motor
@@justplanefred Because this episode was 10 years ago.
Those lifters and rockers are fresh, fresh on their way out with the way they sounded on those runs. Ouch !!! Would not want my engine sounding like it's got a half a quart of oil in it lol.
I didn't catch what brand they were, I used some comp lifters in an LS3 once, they were a zero preload lifter design, sounded like a damn sewing machine, but they worked just fine. I'd never use them again, but owner didn't mind the noise.
Most likely the wrong push rod length im guessing 😅
Floating wrist pins is the noise
@@V8VRUte The Older in the 80's TRW 1/4 Turn Racing Hydraulic Lifters were AWESOME..Very Quite and Revved like Solids I actually used one Set in 2 different Motors ..Had them Re-Surfaced after the first Motor with 80+ k miles ..Sold the Second Motor in the Truck after 45k miles ..At that time Standard Lifters were like $2.50. EA. The TRW's were $7.50 EA. Worth every Penny of that .
I got a 383 with forged pistons and Afr heads. I already know how to spend a fortune.
No real advantage to the hybrid motor. Get some aftermarket heads that outflow the LS stuff and build a SB shortblock. Less expensive and easier. Hard to beat the old SB.
That's if you have a non damaged Gen 1/Gen 2, 4 bolt otherwise Gen 3/4/5 swap.
Easy to beat a sbc, actually. A stock 5.3 will run circles around equivalent stock sbc, if you can even find them anymore.
Jesus does anyone know what the fuck an entertainment video is nowadays?
People on marketplace are asking too much for them. I bought whole ls 6.0 Yukon Denali (bad trans but running) for what some want for old sbc
You get a more stable valve train while retaining the original mounts so it's perfect for me. I have a 70 rs camaro and I want to build an engine that will Rev high for a long time but one day I want to restore it to original and take it to auction
My small block I used Eskandarian camshaft along with their anti-pump up lifters works like solid lifters but hydraulic bad ass, my 327 is now up-to-date as far as that goes turbo 400 Street shift kit 373 true track rear end. In a 1940 Ford deluxe two door coupe! Yeah.
you lose a lot of torque running a turbo 400 with a small block especially a short throw small block to heavy of internals it robs the power big time a Turbo 350 built is sufficient!
To me the only purpose for this set up is a hot rod that you already have a small block in and don't want to redo the motor mounts, and fab work!
For me... this block is the chance to use solid flat tappets with an LS head. Lose a bunch of hyd/roller mass and maybe gain an extra 1500 controllable rpm with the right grind/spring choices. Can't use offsets in anything but a roller, so I'm excited about this combo for other than the half swap LS factor, which is what this video centered on [unfortunately]. Go 13 degree on a set of gen1 style heads and that gets expensive - this combo can get you there for less.
I’m guessing that new block is worth more than a good running LS.
Worth more? Nah... costs more? ABSOLUTELY
Yeah this makes no sense at all except for those certain racing classes
concidering a gen 4 lq4 out of a junk yaRD WITH 20,000 MILES ON IT CAM SPRINGS AND INTAKE INJECTERS 2 TURBOS AND tune gets you a 1000 hp yeah🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 some like to spend it why i dont know!
They make these things called swap mounts. Craziness
lol. Yeah, unless you just want a weird engine or to comply with some dumb rule in some niche racing class I'm not sure what the advantage to this would be. That block has to cost way more than motor mounts and the LS bottom end uses 6 bolt mains, which are stronger than even splayed 4 bolt, and all modern seals. They also make exceptionally well flowing heads if you have an old-school small block and you need heads. It's neat but I don't see this catching on.
LOLOLOLOL
You have things called ears. They explained this is for restrictive rules in racing.
@@Shutchohole
We heard the reason they gave, it's just kind of a dumb reason. This is about the most expensive way you could comply with a "must run a distributor" rule, ect.
@@Shutchohole no they didnt go back and listen to it again. They did mention a racing class that requires a distributor. You can buy a distributor kit for an LS cheaper than this abortion
This is GREAT. The old small block V8 not only lives but gets a tech upgrade.
This episode comes to mind sometimes and I haven't seen it since it aired. Thanks for the upload
Nice to see you on the screen again. 👍
When it comes to beautiful jewelery in the motor AND dependableity CROWER IS THE STUFF I USE Bruce Crower was a total genius at making stuff that is top notch his son fallows suit US made with pride quality there only product
36👍's up HP thanks again for taking us all along with you
A conversation piece is the only benefit of this I see lol. Even a stock junkyard 5.3 will handle more power than 90% of SBC’s so why use a SBC bottom end.
they were putting out 1000+ hp 50+ years ago. Exactly what do they handle better that a sbc hasn't done millions of times before?
@O. Stone they were doing it with less than 5L back then too with 60s tech which was barely better than stock. there's nothing star spangled awesome about your ls engines that hasnt already been done 10,000 ways to Tuesday. The only difference is now idiots can do it by mindlessly bolting things on without knowing a thing about engines.
@@INSIDIOUS1986 no lol those blocks from the factory couldn't handle that kind of power, much less make said power, go flow your camel hump heads, then flow a set of 243/799 heads and see the difference for yourself.
@@whiplash0567 207ci 1300hp twin turboed in the 70s with stone age tech.
you have your foot pretty far in your mouth so far
@@INSIDIOUS1986 yea right. i guess thats why everyone knows about this legendary 207ci motor that the drag racing world worships. Next you're gonna try to tell me you had a 66' mustang with a 289 that would jump a coke bottle off the line 😂
I like how it has a lifter tick right outta the box
Thank You! Awesome Motor, and Build!🔧🔩🇺🇸
Sorry guys. We get rectangle port 6.0 core motors for $500. They have 4bolt mains with 2 more crossbolts from the oil pan rail. A msd ls box is about $450. This video is a waste of money
I used to think these blocks were a good idea. But it turns out stock internals are just fine on engines without detonation problems and the ls parts are well designed. While the sbc has an oil pump that doesnt eat much power the ls has ventilation between cylinders, larger cam core, a cross bolted skirted block for noise rejection and main cap stability etc... The ls has proven that the importance of a forged crank in anything but a split pin v6 is highly over rated and if you don't have to buy racecar parts then why do it? The aftermarket has addressed the oil pan situation and the lack of a distributor and even with the hybrid block headers are still a consideration and now brackets can be an issue where they wouldn't be with a true full ls. I mean if you just love distributors mechanical fuel pumps it might seem like a good idea but for the cost of an aftermarket block you could just buy afr heads and keep the 23 degree setup. Heck you could but 15 or 13 degree race heads or some used sb2 or 18 degree heads.
Right, lol???
I think it’s a cool build, but I would’ve used different lifters that’s for sure. Morel, Jesel or Crane, had to many problems with comp stuff, and I’m not the only one either.
Comp is overrated to me
You can here the thing tickin already. Probably them lifters .
@@wateverit8ks342 I was thinking 🤔 the same dam thing!!! That motor is ticking like a watch ⌚ 😳
I just used comp lifter's in my retro solid roller engine. 500 dollars so I'll report back if there's any issues. I went Edelbrock and compcams on everything for a old 350. IDK what the horsepower will be ? Any guesses?
@@pumpkin12030 480 horsepower and 480 torque. and if it really is just an ole stock block 350 , faive hudret hose powa! As soon as i just now realised you said solid roller, well hmm could be 450hp or 750 really no tellin unless umm, lets see, super victor intake, 14:1 compression, victor ported heads big solid roller cam, umm 625hp+ on the engine alone no power adders? oh, oh , oh wait you said 'retro' solid roller, hmmm, guessing edelbrock Victor JR heads, or did you get rpm heads? hmmm, lets see if you got vic heads , 11:1 , solid roller, victor jr intake, hmmm i would say more than 500hp+ easy. if it has rpm heads , and rpm intake, and smaller streetable comp retro solid roller cam i say 465hp to 475hp, and 460t-to-480 tq.
They do all these projects but never fess up to what it all costs. For the price of the special block and crank along with the rods pistons cam and lifters, you could probably build at least two 600 hp LS motors to put that set of LS heads on.
Looked it up, $2,600ish. Big ole yikes. You could make a junkyard monster for that.
@@yeanah2571 this is more of a circle track endurance engine to be ran hard for a whole season before freshened up not really a budget dragracing engine hence the low compression JE Pistons made to run all night without seeing the south side of 5000rpm unless your under caution or loading it on the trailer
I built one it ant cheap
You could just build a 500 hp old school 350 for cheaper then this
Yeah I'm clueless cuz I'm not a car guy I just like Beauty in the cars and the people that have the passion that's cool but I have no idea what things cost because you know I drive a fucking Toyota. It gets me where I need to get I want to drive to New Orleans for the weekend no problem
This is just a custom cast and milled gen 1 small block Chevrolet. People are wanting to do this with junkyard blocks but without having to mill it.
It’s great the aftermarket continues to support the SBC! Chevy engineers addressed many of the limitations when designing the LS1. Versions that followed such as LS3 are even more advanced. Pretty easy to make 600 hp at 376 ci with LS, and street manners like it’s not even modded. Think what it takes to equal that with a 383” SBC, and it weighs at least 100 lbs more than the LS3.
If they wanted to get 5 to 8 more horsepower they should have installed a 1 inch carb spacer plate only because those butter flys on the carb should be above to top of the runners and not even with them , also they should side gap all the plugs to expose the spark directly to the combustion chambers .
This is a really great hybrid engine.
I get the impression that it's just weird for the sake of being weird, which is fine but kinda spendy.
@@177SCmaro True.
After all these years struggling with gaskets they finally making a decent gasket
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Disturb the peace, I wonder how much that engine cost
Probably 10,000
Too much to be worth while when a ls has better engineering in total
More than a low mileage ly6 would cost
@@bigboreracing356 my ass is clean and what i have is a positive criticism. To buy a " special " sbc block to use with LS heads sounds about as bad as those lifters . I already have a built 350 which 350's aren't stock for 80's monte carlo's. With that said any time i order something i have to be careful if i do it online with the whole this does or doesn't fit yr car. I can't imagine trying to order stuff on the fly for this . Especially if you want to change brands. If it was a kit to fit any 350 that would be a whole different ball game. Just saying
About 3 times as much making 1/3 the power as a turbo 5.3 lmao
without the long skirt of the ls block, these will actually make more power over a comparable ls motor since windage is vastly reduced
Crazy to build this caliber of engine with a cast iron timing gear, i dont even use them in stock engines anymore since ive found 3 cam gears cracked with nothing more than a valve spring upgrade. Luckily they chose to do a cam change soon after spring upgrade
I go with the pro comp timing belt setup it's bullit proof stuff with adjustments for different degrees
@@richardfinney3179 what do you do with your engines, drag race, street or?? Been looking at PC belt drives but if the quality matches most of their off shore junk i dont thing i will be willing to trust one on drag n drive events where the cars need reliability
Man! A SBC with LS heads. YESSSSSS.
I KNEW they had built one of these. Of course people said I was stupid but I have been a PowerBlock fan since before they were ever called PowerBlock.
I remembered too, but this was a different displacement. The other was a 440ci. Motown II LS for the Triple Threat Camaro build.
Sounds good at first ,but it's a bad deal a stock alum ls block has been proven to handle 1400 hp or more ,so you will end up spending more money for less ,makes bad sence
I ALWAYS ran Cherry Bomb glasspacks on my GTO i do love the sound!!
I have thrush cherry bombs on my old 95 302 h.o. it sounds pretty awesome.
I got true duals on my 91 350 k1500 with dual cherry bomb glasspacks and they sound super mean. I would have them over anything else out there especially when really broken in good!
I love love love the sbc. But I seriously don't see the point to this custom block.
You get a little more crank shaft choices
No exaggeration , those Pro system SV-1 single blade carbs are super Snappy, i have heard transmission input shafts snapping and driveshafts breakage. An incredible part. Note this airing of episode was 2010 i have learned from the comments below.
Accessories, accessories. I would have put those adapter plates near the rear of the motor and snuck a return pipe under the manifold attached to that valley cover. Why... I might even be able to stick with oem radiator hoses. This build could put alternator and power steering down low but I want my air conditioning - damn the critics!
I don't see the point in this unless you just want to be different. The LS 6 bolt caps will hold more power than even a splayed cap SBC. As long as you're not moon tuning the LS you can hold 700-800 all day long on stock internals and 1000+ 7500rpm+ on forged gear.
Looks interesting but what do you do when it comes time to bolt your accessories on? Appears cylinder heads and coolant tubes will cause issue?
Looks like you can get to the lifters without taking the heads off. A great advantage for racing.
Nope. Those heads got to come off to remove the valley cover. It would be great if we could have that ability.
I'm not the only one that heard it knocking like a jw on Saturday morning, am i?
An sbc with Ls heads is a great idea until you realize you can't mount accessories with the coolant crossovers in place.
Pitch Meeting guy: whoops
Pitch Meeting exec: whoopsie
This is a custom milled block, nothing really says gen1 about it anymore
I agree that's the only downside, the guys who designed it forgot to design the Coolant system for the Thermostat housing. Still be a Interesting conversation at a car show when Ya open the bonnet
I love that small block
Interesting, just wish, with these types of builds, they would include the costs. I realize that Labour can be subjective and can vary from location to location, but it would be nice, when they put these beasts together, to have a Cost, even breakdown, so us plebes could get a better appreciation of where we stand. Is it UnObtanium with a Dash of Not Gonna Happen? Or is it within the realm of possibilities, if I eat Macaroni for a year to scrape up the dough to make it happen.
Wellll...........the bare block is $3400 for starters.
Nothing in common with the old SBC but alot in common with a and 351w. Thrust bearing in the center, equal length ports, and same head design with 10 headbolts. I work at a machine shop for a living so I know.
The breathing characteristics come from ford
Now this is a awesome setup. But can you hookup say alt p/s and a/c to it with factory mountain brackets???
Easy roller cam conversion by just using the cam and lifter kit on any old 350 block you might have in your backyard. 🤔🤔
Why do everyone think that lifters are like a spunge and 'soak' them for a time before assemble?
Yes, they are 'hollow', and soaking them might not ensure the air to get out.
But when priming the oilsystem with a drill while turning the engine slowly it will get the air out, and.. suprise! lube them also :)
The glass pack is the loudest. Run it for a bit and the fiberglass blows out and it becomes a straight pipe. Alternatively pour some gas in it and light it to burn off the fiberglass before installing.
fiber glass doest burn its a fct the steel wool does fiberglass is fire proof as you can get if a fiber glass boat burns you literally could wash the fiber glass and lay up the same boat again!
8:55. Where or How will you mount a Alternator??? Or A.C. compressor ???
Then there's guys like me with open pipes😁
Kick azz upgrade, you haters make it obvious you dont even own a car yet lol
Cheaper than doing an SB2.2.....guessing we would have to buy pistons for 15 deg heads?
Like this, can have huge airflow and not have to change everything. Carb and HEI would be my choice.
Solid roller, of course!!
AWESOME ENGINUIEDY GREAT JOB 👍 GUYS
That’s a cool half breed engine love it best of both worlds
So you have to get an entire new block! Seriously what's the point?
Solution looking for a problem
@@bigboreracing356 you do realise the 7.0 Ls7 has 505 horsepower and you can get one for 4k right? And the 7.3 Godzilla is 430 horsepower and cost 7k. And the godzilla is a almost direct copy of a L.s being a pushrod v8 that's very similar. And there's almost 0 aftermarket for Ford and endless for GM. You can also get a used Ls7 very cheap. I'm not even a brand loyal gm guy and know that.
@@jkirk7811 You can also just get a big block chevy and have more displacement and power than an LS7. Does that mean we shouldn't bother with the LS7?
Not everyone cares about $/hp. The Godzilla is the new thing. I hope people start playing with it.
It's also not a copy of the LS. It's designed to be an option to the powerstroke in pickups. And given how nuts they've gone with all this emission stuff on diesels I'd say the Godzilla is a welcome alternative.
The episodes are 10 years old
Oh... priming the block is easier for one, and there is a bunch of gen 1 parts to choose from for the bottom end. Little things like oil pan design/clearancing for certain muscle cars would make this a good way to enjoy a set of LS heads without getting into alot of odd details and extra fitment issues.
This project is for somebody going to build a new motor anyway, not refresh an old workhorse.
Awesome but money's no object to you guys I like your show could you sponsor me in a build?
Powerful combination 👊🏾💪🏾💯
Looking good bud if you get bored we have an event down here in Montana June 27th
Would have been great to have part numbers.
Bill Jenkins reported that his pro stock truck (Gen1)pumped out right at 1000hp na .NHRA did way with Pro Stock Truck in the 90's.
That's a nice Holly predator
sounds like a diesel at idle there lmao
With the money they have in this....you can get 500 hp out a well built 350 SBC.
Sounds like it is going to come apart with all the rattling in it .
I have long wondered how modern engines can get away with skirtless pistons. What keeps them from trying cock left and right?
You can mount ls heads to a factory sbf. LS block looks more like an old ford fe block then a sbc.
Some guy did put LS heads on a FSB . Had to have a special cam ground. But it did run and put out decent power till he put a turbo or two on it and blew rod through block. I'm vid is still on TH-cam
@@stickpd7885 I've seen that.
Congrats on 100k subs
To everybody asking why? Because of horsepower losses from oil windage. A LS deep skirt is far superior for strength, esp under forced air, but the air and oil doesntt move around as well. This setup is extremely niche', purpose built, class rules beating that actually works. But for 99.999% of the enthusiast, it is pointless
A lot of effort for a ‘conversation piece’
I'd rather my conversation be about my LS7 or all aluminum BBC rather than a $2500 iron SBC with a $3500 crank with less stroke than a stock 5.3 LS. All I can surmise is World Products must have [had] a powerful boomer in their management to make this happen.
I run Cherry bomb Vortex they have a nice sound not too loud until you get on it and it opens up
This decibel meter is helpful. Why don't manufacturers give us this information so we actually know how loud something is? Instead of mild or aggressive.
Because they can't rate it for everything it might go on. Test it on a beefy 350 in a Camaro, some guy puts it on a big block Chevelle and gets a different result, and starts whining about it.
So just rate them mild or aggressive and save the headache.
Must be nice to get all the free parts you want.
It’s an Engine, fellows ! NOT a motor !
Forgot how old this episode is. We don't have to do this to run a dizzy on an LS anymore.
Hello how about a parts list on your builds?
With part numbers so we can duplicate the motor..
Thank you
Dan
its on their website
What is the benefit of those heads. And why does no one include the cost?
Sounds like it’s running on nuts and bolts
For the way they always talk I'm wondering if there talking about the engine. Always talking about studding, lubbing, sticking it in, stroking and nutty. It's straddling the top of the block.
A lot of seams in that coolant crossover and where does the belt-drive go?
What would be the bill for a kit like this. Everything you have shown? Thanks much. I thought by now one of the head manufacturer would have come up with dual over cam heads? Would take some extra machine work to mount a cam drive system but could be maybe de stronger than a coyote. Thanks for this video.
Id be dancing on that motor too she look good !!!!
Cool, but small block should stay small block (my preference) and ls should stay ls.
Can you put a ls1 top end on a 350 that's borer 40 over?
Very cool if you need it.
I'm a simple man, I just want to set off every car alarm in the parking garage.
Testing mufflers using ls with front distributor, show us how to build an ls with front distributor.
The lifter noise😳
did he just say."inverted dome pistons?" dished is not woke enough ?
Inverted dome is different than dished. Inverted dome has a dish that is shaped to mirror the shape of the combustion chamber. Dish refers to a circular depression in the piston crown.
@@slappopotamus1001 ahh, but it's still a dish, isn't it?
And you still have to take the heads off to change a lifter....
I've had the best luck with thrush turbo mufflers on streetcar even had a 240Z put a 3 in exhaust with a three-inch turbo muffler really woke up the six banger it was already balanced and blueprinted from the factory one of the first thousand they made serial number 00866
My dad used to say he would get his glass packs the old thrusher glass packs really hot and then hit them with cold water and he said it would shatter all the glass and then you could blow it out the tailpipe and it would give it a better sound is there any truth to that
Do you put gunpowder in your gasoline?
Super impressive 👏
What year did this HP TV episode come out?
So why does 1 engine have the distributor in the back like an old style should. Goes to a commercial break before the muffler section. When they come back the distributor has moved to the front. WTH?
So...about 600hp for......about $10k? $15k? You could make the same or more on a stock bottom end LS with a turbo for 1/2 what they spent on this build.
this episode is about 12 years old people didnt really know how good the ls was back then also people didnt know how to do it untill people started teaching how on youtube.