Actually have been building these for over a decade now, we even built a Magnuson supercharged version that made 755 lb-ft of torque. Coil on plug ignition with a FAST ECM. If you have any questions on how we did it just reply here and I will send you some info! The engine was featured in the August 2011 issue of Muscle Car Power Magazine. There is also an article in LSx magazine.
They explained why things are the way that they are. It's for race applications that require distributors and other older parts. The differences in water jackets, deck heights, intake ports etc, may have made things less than ideal. My takeaway from this, is it's for racing applications that require certain things like a distributor. For all other applications, use a run of the mill LS.
@@Shutchohole They make a timing cover to run a distributor on an LS.... circle track has been using it for years. The problem here is this episode is probably 10 or 15 years ago lol.
Those lifters and rockers are fresh, fresh on their way out with the way they sounded on those runs. Ouch !!! Would not want my engine sounding like it's got a half a quart of oil in it lol.
I didn't catch what brand they were, I used some comp lifters in an LS3 once, they were a zero preload lifter design, sounded like a damn sewing machine, but they worked just fine. I'd never use them again, but owner didn't mind the noise.
@@V8VRUte The Older in the 80's TRW 1/4 Turn Racing Hydraulic Lifters were AWESOME..Very Quite and Revved like Solids I actually used one Set in 2 different Motors ..Had them Re-Surfaced after the first Motor with 80+ k miles ..Sold the Second Motor in the Truck after 45k miles ..At that time Standard Lifters were like $2.50. EA. The TRW's were $7.50 EA. Worth every Penny of that .
I think it’s a cool build, but I would’ve used different lifters that’s for sure. Morel, Jesel or Crane, had to many problems with comp stuff, and I’m not the only one either.
I just used comp lifter's in my retro solid roller engine. 500 dollars so I'll report back if there's any issues. I went Edelbrock and compcams on everything for a old 350. IDK what the horsepower will be ? Any guesses?
@@pumpkin12030 480 horsepower and 480 torque. and if it really is just an ole stock block 350 , faive hudret hose powa! As soon as i just now realised you said solid roller, well hmm could be 450hp or 750 really no tellin unless umm, lets see, super victor intake, 14:1 compression, victor ported heads big solid roller cam, umm 625hp+ on the engine alone no power adders? oh, oh , oh wait you said 'retro' solid roller, hmmm, guessing edelbrock Victor JR heads, or did you get rpm heads? hmmm, lets see if you got vic heads , 11:1 , solid roller, victor jr intake, hmmm i would say more than 500hp+ easy. if it has rpm heads , and rpm intake, and smaller streetable comp retro solid roller cam i say 465hp to 475hp, and 460t-to-480 tq.
I was thinking the same thing... so if you change cams when they have more than one for this bastard child of GM motors you need to get a new prom burned... Why not just use a terminator X or similar type of system and get it changed without buying more expensive crap plus it can control fuel injection too if you want.
My small block I used Eskandarian camshaft along with their anti-pump up lifters works like solid lifters but hydraulic bad ass, my 327 is now up-to-date as far as that goes turbo 400 Street shift kit 373 true track rear end. In a 1940 Ford deluxe two door coupe! Yeah.
you lose a lot of torque running a turbo 400 with a small block especially a short throw small block to heavy of internals it robs the power big time a Turbo 350 built is sufficient!
No real advantage to the hybrid motor. Get some aftermarket heads that outflow the LS stuff and build a SB shortblock. Less expensive and easier. Hard to beat the old SB.
You get a more stable valve train while retaining the original mounts so it's perfect for me. I have a 70 rs camaro and I want to build an engine that will Rev high for a long time but one day I want to restore it to original and take it to auction
For me... this block is the chance to use solid flat tappets with an LS head. Lose a bunch of hyd/roller mass and maybe gain an extra 1500 controllable rpm with the right grind/spring choices. Can't use offsets in anything but a roller, so I'm excited about this combo for other than the half swap LS factor, which is what this video centered on [unfortunately]. Go 13 degree on a set of gen1 style heads and that gets expensive - this combo can get you there for less.
concidering a gen 4 lq4 out of a junk yaRD WITH 20,000 MILES ON IT CAM SPRINGS AND INTAKE INJECTERS 2 TURBOS AND tune gets you a 1000 hp yeah🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 some like to spend it why i dont know!
If that's all anybody can complain about us a sound of The lifters think the whole conception is a fantastic idea I am old school but I think that combination is awesome with some really nice parks
A conversation piece is the only benefit of this I see lol. Even a stock junkyard 5.3 will handle more power than 90% of SBC’s so why use a SBC bottom end.
@O. Stone they were doing it with less than 5L back then too with 60s tech which was barely better than stock. there's nothing star spangled awesome about your ls engines that hasnt already been done 10,000 ways to Tuesday. The only difference is now idiots can do it by mindlessly bolting things on without knowing a thing about engines.
@@INSIDIOUS1986 no lol those blocks from the factory couldn't handle that kind of power, much less make said power, go flow your camel hump heads, then flow a set of 243/799 heads and see the difference for yourself.
@@INSIDIOUS1986 yea right. i guess thats why everyone knows about this legendary 207ci motor that the drag racing world worships. Next you're gonna try to tell me you had a 66' mustang with a 289 that would jump a coke bottle off the line 😂
lol. Yeah, unless you just want a weird engine or to comply with some dumb rule in some niche racing class I'm not sure what the advantage to this would be. That block has to cost way more than motor mounts and the LS bottom end uses 6 bolt mains, which are stronger than even splayed 4 bolt, and all modern seals. They also make exceptionally well flowing heads if you have an old-school small block and you need heads. It's neat but I don't see this catching on.
@@Shutchohole We heard the reason they gave, it's just kind of a dumb reason. This is about the most expensive way you could comply with a "must run a distributor" rule, ect.
@@Shutchohole no they didnt go back and listen to it again. They did mention a racing class that requires a distributor. You can buy a distributor kit for an LS cheaper than this abortion
Think they'd make them the other way around but I guess we can't argue with progress??? Why don't they just re-design a LS style head to fit any stock small (block) bolt patterns. BUT I'm sure there's plenty of other issues with cooling flow and other minor things.
This concept seemed quite interesting and feasible ay the time, but it never seemed to catch on. We do roughly 80 to 90 builds each year, and we're building many small blocks from 383 to 427 and even a couple of 434's. As well, we do a few LS motors, but we've never had anyone approach us for this Chevy/LS combo. World Products produced a 1st gen block with the LS bolt pattern decks, and I expected that idea to gain some speed. The selling point was fitting LS technology into early Chevys without having to modify the crossmember and engine mounts etc. Now that several companies offer beefier LS blocks, no one seems interested in mounting LS top ends on early blocks
If the only benefit would be motor mounts and cross member then it doesn't make sense. Those items are super cheap compared to trying to build this over a regular LS with swap parts.
It’s great the aftermarket continues to support the SBC! Chevy engineers addressed many of the limitations when designing the LS1. Versions that followed such as LS3 are even more advanced. Pretty easy to make 600 hp at 376 ci with LS, and street manners like it’s not even modded. Think what it takes to equal that with a 383” SBC, and it weighs at least 100 lbs more than the LS3.
I used to think these blocks were a good idea. But it turns out stock internals are just fine on engines without detonation problems and the ls parts are well designed. While the sbc has an oil pump that doesnt eat much power the ls has ventilation between cylinders, larger cam core, a cross bolted skirted block for noise rejection and main cap stability etc... The ls has proven that the importance of a forged crank in anything but a split pin v6 is highly over rated and if you don't have to buy racecar parts then why do it? The aftermarket has addressed the oil pan situation and the lack of a distributor and even with the hybrid block headers are still a consideration and now brackets can be an issue where they wouldn't be with a true full ls. I mean if you just love distributors mechanical fuel pumps it might seem like a good idea but for the cost of an aftermarket block you could just buy afr heads and keep the 23 degree setup. Heck you could but 15 or 13 degree race heads or some used sb2 or 18 degree heads.
Crazy to build this caliber of engine with a cast iron timing gear, i dont even use them in stock engines anymore since ive found 3 cam gears cracked with nothing more than a valve spring upgrade. Luckily they chose to do a cam change soon after spring upgrade
@@richardfinney3179 what do you do with your engines, drag race, street or?? Been looking at PC belt drives but if the quality matches most of their off shore junk i dont thing i will be willing to trust one on drag n drive events where the cars need reliability
If they wanted to get 5 to 8 more horsepower they should have installed a 1 inch carb spacer plate only because those butter flys on the carb should be above to top of the runners and not even with them , also they should side gap all the plugs to expose the spark directly to the combustion chambers .
So how much is this build? And does it really meet the rule for the old SBC? I’m guessing if it does today and people start getting beat by it it will be written out of the rules
I got true duals on my 91 350 k1500 with dual cherry bomb glasspacks and they sound super mean. I would have them over anything else out there especially when really broken in good!
What would be the bill for a kit like this. Everything you have shown? Thanks much. I thought by now one of the head manufacturer would have come up with dual over cam heads? Would take some extra machine work to mount a cam drive system but could be maybe de stronger than a coyote. Thanks for this video.
@@bigboreracing356 my ass is clean and what i have is a positive criticism. To buy a " special " sbc block to use with LS heads sounds about as bad as those lifters . I already have a built 350 which 350's aren't stock for 80's monte carlo's. With that said any time i order something i have to be careful if i do it online with the whole this does or doesn't fit yr car. I can't imagine trying to order stuff on the fly for this . Especially if you want to change brands. If it was a kit to fit any 350 that would be a whole different ball game. Just saying
Neat, money money money. That being said it sounds like the 53 year old 292 in my farm truck. Makes decent power though I just can't get over that lifter sound.
They do all these projects but never fess up to what it all costs. For the price of the special block and crank along with the rods pistons cam and lifters, you could probably build at least two 600 hp LS motors to put that set of LS heads on.
@@yeanah2571 this is more of a circle track endurance engine to be ran hard for a whole season before freshened up not really a budget dragracing engine hence the low compression JE Pistons made to run all night without seeing the south side of 5000rpm unless your under caution or loading it on the trailer
Yeah I'm clueless cuz I'm not a car guy I just like Beauty in the cars and the people that have the passion that's cool but I have no idea what things cost because you know I drive a fucking Toyota. It gets me where I need to get I want to drive to New Orleans for the weekend no problem
I had this 66' Bel Air station wagon with a vortec head swapped 327. I took it on down to the local muffler monkey & handed him a pair of single chambers and to install full 3" exhaust exciting behind the rear tires. How loud could it possibly be ??? I'll tell you this brother...ever been to a cackle fest ??? Holy Crap !!! & We had one hour to check the car in at Street Rods North (NSRA) we had to put on hearing protection just to drive it down the highway !!!! Learned my lesson 😆
The glass pack is the loudest. Run it for a bit and the fiberglass blows out and it becomes a straight pipe. Alternatively pour some gas in it and light it to burn off the fiberglass before installing.
fiber glass doest burn its a fct the steel wool does fiberglass is fire proof as you can get if a fiber glass boat burns you literally could wash the fiber glass and lay up the same boat again!
When it comes to beautiful jewelery in the motor AND dependableity CROWER IS THE STUFF I USE Bruce Crower was a total genius at making stuff that is top notch his son fallows suit US made with pride quality there only product
The “Secret” to the Ls engines power potential is in the heads. Factory LS heads flow the kind of air that big dollar aftermarket heads do for the gen 1 sbc. So those who say that a decent set of heads on a standard small block is every bit as good as an LS, doesn’t understand the limitations of the og small block (max cam lift especially when using a hydraulic roller, cooling issues especially with the siamesed exhaust ports). these are really only limitations when compared to modern engines ie the LS, a small block can make more than enough grunt for the street, that power is just easier to produce with an LS
and tight tolerancesw and balancing theyre made by robots unlike its daddy the sbc they improved every bad thing a sbc had wrong with it why go back to the dinosour ages doesnt make any sense!
Accessories, accessories. I would have put those adapter plates near the rear of the motor and snuck a return pipe under the manifold attached to that valley cover. Why... I might even be able to stick with oem radiator hoses. This build could put alternator and power steering down low but I want my air conditioning - damn the critics!
Interesting, just wish, with these types of builds, they would include the costs. I realize that Labour can be subjective and can vary from location to location, but it would be nice, when they put these beasts together, to have a Cost, even breakdown, so us plebes could get a better appreciation of where we stand. Is it UnObtanium with a Dash of Not Gonna Happen? Or is it within the realm of possibilities, if I eat Macaroni for a year to scrape up the dough to make it happen.
Can a person use Chevy Small Block exhaust on a Gen 3 or Gen 4 4.8L, 5.3L, or 6.0L LS engine? I just located a Schoenfeld 180 degree headers for the small block chevy.
I agree that's the only downside, the guys who designed it forgot to design the Coolant system for the Thermostat housing. Still be a Interesting conversation at a car show when Ya open the bonnet
No exaggeration , those Pro system SV-1 single blade carbs are super Snappy, i have heard transmission input shafts snapping and driveshafts breakage. An incredible part. Note this airing of episode was 2010 i have learned from the comments below.
My dad used to say he would get his glass packs the old thrusher glass packs really hot and then hit them with cold water and he said it would shatter all the glass and then you could blow it out the tailpipe and it would give it a better sound is there any truth to that
Isn't one of the best attributes of an ls the fact its a deep skirt block with side bolts for the mains? I think if you really wanted to run a distributor you could have a Gilmer belt driven one made up cheaper than the cost of the short block of that engine.
Good to see you guys working together again. I just now discovered this channel. Nothing against P.N. but I can not stand that Pat fella. I will not watch any episode with him in it. You are great, and this is an awesome video. Thanks guys.
Will a top end kit with cam work on a 91 "tbi" chevy 350 block? Are the 70s, TBI's, and LS blocks the same? I know the vortec heads and intake are different, but are the blocks the same?
@@fryloc359 My block is a 1991 GMC tbi 350, not an LS. I think I can rebuild the bottom end, and put a top end kit on it with new cam, heads, and intake. I believe I just need to find out how to attach the accessory mounts, and water pump specifically.
@@bigboreracing356 you do realise the 7.0 Ls7 has 505 horsepower and you can get one for 4k right? And the 7.3 Godzilla is 430 horsepower and cost 7k. And the godzilla is a almost direct copy of a L.s being a pushrod v8 that's very similar. And there's almost 0 aftermarket for Ford and endless for GM. You can also get a used Ls7 very cheap. I'm not even a brand loyal gm guy and know that.
@@jkirk7811 You can also just get a big block chevy and have more displacement and power than an LS7. Does that mean we shouldn't bother with the LS7? Not everyone cares about $/hp. The Godzilla is the new thing. I hope people start playing with it. It's also not a copy of the LS. It's designed to be an option to the powerstroke in pickups. And given how nuts they've gone with all this emission stuff on diesels I'd say the Godzilla is a welcome alternative.
Oh... priming the block is easier for one, and there is a bunch of gen 1 parts to choose from for the bottom end. Little things like oil pan design/clearancing for certain muscle cars would make this a good way to enjoy a set of LS heads without getting into alot of odd details and extra fitment issues. This project is for somebody going to build a new motor anyway, not refresh an old workhorse.
Some guy did put LS heads on a FSB . Had to have a special cam ground. But it did run and put out decent power till he put a turbo or two on it and blew rod through block. I'm vid is still on TH-cam
Can someone explain to me what they are doin when using the strobe light on the balancer/damper... I obviously understand it has to do with timing but what exactly is going on there?
they are checking the timing to see when #1 plug fires. Usually there is a mark on the balancer where #1 is at TDC, and another set of pointers that indicate TDC, 2 degrees BTDC, 4 * BTDC, etc.
This show stirs up nostalgia. Feels like a 1998 Saturday morning
Cuz it never changed.
Actually have been building these for over a decade now, we even built a Magnuson supercharged version that made 755 lb-ft of torque. Coil on plug ignition with a FAST ECM. If you have any questions on how we did it just reply here and I will send you some info! The engine was featured in the August 2011 issue of Muscle Car Power Magazine. There is also an article in LSx magazine.
I would like some information on how you did it.
Steve how can I get that info from you thanks
This show actually first aired in 2010...
@@louieatienza8762 That makes sense
Interested
This is insane. Can't believe this thing has been around for a decade and I hadn't ever hear of it.
World Products came up with this closer to 15 years ago, not 10
They should have made LS heads fit the sbc. Would have sold more..
I agree totally stupid, and also to not make it a 6 bolt LSX pattern on the block. Midas well just build a 6.0 iron block LS
They explained why things are the way that they are. It's for race applications that require distributors and other older parts.
The differences in water jackets, deck heights, intake ports etc, may have made things less than ideal.
My takeaway from this, is it's for racing applications that require certain things like a distributor. For all other applications, use a run of the mill LS.
@@Shutchohole so just put a distributor on an LS
@@Shutchohole They make a timing cover to run a distributor on an LS.... circle track has been using it for years. The problem here is this episode is probably 10 or 15 years ago lol.
Yea they should have done that a long time ago
Man...that older guy always sounds like he's hammered
LOL
Slurrin all over the place lol ah well nice work if you can get it lol.
Have to be to build an engine of this expense with a cast iron cam gear and post a video of an engine that sounds like its running on bubble wrap
Dentures.
Nah, he's in "maintenance" mode on these shoots.
Those lifters and rockers are fresh, fresh on their way out with the way they sounded on those runs. Ouch !!! Would not want my engine sounding like it's got a half a quart of oil in it lol.
I didn't catch what brand they were, I used some comp lifters in an LS3 once, they were a zero preload lifter design, sounded like a damn sewing machine, but they worked just fine. I'd never use them again, but owner didn't mind the noise.
Most likely the wrong push rod length im guessing 😅
Floating wrist pins is the noise
@@V8VRUte The Older in the 80's TRW 1/4 Turn Racing Hydraulic Lifters were AWESOME..Very Quite and Revved like Solids I actually used one Set in 2 different Motors ..Had them Re-Surfaced after the first Motor with 80+ k miles ..Sold the Second Motor in the Truck after 45k miles ..At that time Standard Lifters were like $2.50. EA. The TRW's were $7.50 EA. Worth every Penny of that .
I think it’s a cool build, but I would’ve used different lifters that’s for sure. Morel, Jesel or Crane, had to many problems with comp stuff, and I’m not the only one either.
Comp is overrated to me
You can here the thing tickin already. Probably them lifters .
@@wateverit8ks342 I was thinking 🤔 the same dam thing!!! That motor is ticking like a watch ⌚ 😳
I just used comp lifter's in my retro solid roller engine. 500 dollars so I'll report back if there's any issues. I went Edelbrock and compcams on everything for a old 350. IDK what the horsepower will be ? Any guesses?
@@pumpkin12030 480 horsepower and 480 torque. and if it really is just an ole stock block 350 , faive hudret hose powa! As soon as i just now realised you said solid roller, well hmm could be 450hp or 750 really no tellin unless umm, lets see, super victor intake, 14:1 compression, victor ported heads big solid roller cam, umm 625hp+ on the engine alone no power adders? oh, oh , oh wait you said 'retro' solid roller, hmmm, guessing edelbrock Victor JR heads, or did you get rpm heads? hmmm, lets see if you got vic heads , 11:1 , solid roller, victor jr intake, hmmm i would say more than 500hp+ easy. if it has rpm heads , and rpm intake, and smaller streetable comp retro solid roller cam i say 465hp to 475hp, and 460t-to-480 tq.
Well if you can fit ls heads on a 351w with little modification. .it's no surprise the sbc can get ls heads too.
This is GREAT. The old small block V8 not only lives but gets a tech upgrade.
A prom programmed for your engine? Damn aged itself hard there 😂
Glad I'm not that only one who caught that
I was thinking the same thing... so if you change cams when they have more than one for this bastard child of GM motors you need to get a new prom burned... Why not just use a terminator X or similar type of system and get it changed without buying more expensive crap plus it can control fuel injection too if you want.
You guys are kidding right this is just a highly glorified commercial
Hey why don't we just use the money and go buy a cup motor
@@justplanefred Because this episode was 10 years ago.
My small block I used Eskandarian camshaft along with their anti-pump up lifters works like solid lifters but hydraulic bad ass, my 327 is now up-to-date as far as that goes turbo 400 Street shift kit 373 true track rear end. In a 1940 Ford deluxe two door coupe! Yeah.
you lose a lot of torque running a turbo 400 with a small block especially a short throw small block to heavy of internals it robs the power big time a Turbo 350 built is sufficient!
This episode comes to mind sometimes and I haven't seen it since it aired. Thanks for the upload
Wow! Can't wait for the next episode... overhead valve conversion and LS style heads for the flathead Ford!!! You're killing it, World Products!
LS head the WORLD!
I was thinking of non push rod Chevy v8 😂 did they ever make one
Iirc, Mercury Marine had some sort of LS DOHC conversión about a decade ago or so.
@@barbar9919 Blaspheme. Thy Shall Not Speak Of it!
@@barbar9919 never besides the new one
I LOVE IT!!!! TOTALLY AWESOME UPGRADES!!!! THANK FOR SHARING111
Nice to see you on the screen again. 👍
No real advantage to the hybrid motor. Get some aftermarket heads that outflow the LS stuff and build a SB shortblock. Less expensive and easier. Hard to beat the old SB.
That's if you have a non damaged Gen 1/Gen 2, 4 bolt otherwise Gen 3/4/5 swap.
Easy to beat a sbc, actually. A stock 5.3 will run circles around equivalent stock sbc, if you can even find them anymore.
Jesus does anyone know what the fuck an entertainment video is nowadays?
People on marketplace are asking too much for them. I bought whole ls 6.0 Yukon Denali (bad trans but running) for what some want for old sbc
You get a more stable valve train while retaining the original mounts so it's perfect for me. I have a 70 rs camaro and I want to build an engine that will Rev high for a long time but one day I want to restore it to original and take it to auction
Seems like a lot of trouble and expense for the privilege of keeping the distributor
Is it really a privilege?
@@mattcossel29 he was being sarcastic .
Lord does he have to spell it out for you .
_ Both were being sarcastic 😶🤙
you don't have to run it though. lots of benefits to this block style
I really like the old HEI distributor. It’s just what I know.
8:55. Where or How will you mount a Alternator??? Or A.C. compressor ???
Thank You! Awesome Motor, and Build!🔧🔩🇺🇸
To me the only purpose for this set up is a hot rod that you already have a small block in and don't want to redo the motor mounts, and fab work!
For me... this block is the chance to use solid flat tappets with an LS head. Lose a bunch of hyd/roller mass and maybe gain an extra 1500 controllable rpm with the right grind/spring choices. Can't use offsets in anything but a roller, so I'm excited about this combo for other than the half swap LS factor, which is what this video centered on [unfortunately]. Go 13 degree on a set of gen1 style heads and that gets expensive - this combo can get you there for less.
I got a 383 with forged pistons and Afr heads. I already know how to spend a fortune.
Nice sewing machine. You guys nailed it 👌
That isn't a Chevy, it's a Singer
“…. Or a SailRite LSZ-1!” (I have one.)
Sounds like you have some lifters taping. Nice hp tho. 🔨
I’m guessing that new block is worth more than a good running LS.
Worth more? Nah... costs more? ABSOLUTELY
Yeah this makes no sense at all except for those certain racing classes
concidering a gen 4 lq4 out of a junk yaRD WITH 20,000 MILES ON IT CAM SPRINGS AND INTAKE INJECTERS 2 TURBOS AND tune gets you a 1000 hp yeah🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 some like to spend it why i dont know!
If that's all anybody can complain about us a sound of The lifters think the whole conception is a fantastic idea I am old school but I think that combination is awesome with some really nice parks
After all these years struggling with gaskets they finally making a decent gasket
Looks interesting but what do you do when it comes time to bolt your accessories on? Appears cylinder heads and coolant tubes will cause issue?
Now this is a awesome setup. But can you hookup say alt p/s and a/c to it with factory mountain brackets???
A conversation piece is the only benefit of this I see lol. Even a stock junkyard 5.3 will handle more power than 90% of SBC’s so why use a SBC bottom end.
they were putting out 1000+ hp 50+ years ago. Exactly what do they handle better that a sbc hasn't done millions of times before?
@O. Stone they were doing it with less than 5L back then too with 60s tech which was barely better than stock. there's nothing star spangled awesome about your ls engines that hasnt already been done 10,000 ways to Tuesday. The only difference is now idiots can do it by mindlessly bolting things on without knowing a thing about engines.
@@INSIDIOUS1986 no lol those blocks from the factory couldn't handle that kind of power, much less make said power, go flow your camel hump heads, then flow a set of 243/799 heads and see the difference for yourself.
@@whiplash0567 207ci 1300hp twin turboed in the 70s with stone age tech.
you have your foot pretty far in your mouth so far
@@INSIDIOUS1986 yea right. i guess thats why everyone knows about this legendary 207ci motor that the drag racing world worships. Next you're gonna try to tell me you had a 66' mustang with a 289 that would jump a coke bottle off the line 😂
Sounds like it has a bad lifter tick! Crazy on new engine! Needs morel lifters
36👍's up HP thanks again for taking us all along with you
I like how it has a lifter tick right outta the box
They make these things called swap mounts. Craziness
lol. Yeah, unless you just want a weird engine or to comply with some dumb rule in some niche racing class I'm not sure what the advantage to this would be. That block has to cost way more than motor mounts and the LS bottom end uses 6 bolt mains, which are stronger than even splayed 4 bolt, and all modern seals. They also make exceptionally well flowing heads if you have an old-school small block and you need heads. It's neat but I don't see this catching on.
LOLOLOLOL
You have things called ears. They explained this is for restrictive rules in racing.
@@Shutchohole
We heard the reason they gave, it's just kind of a dumb reason. This is about the most expensive way you could comply with a "must run a distributor" rule, ect.
@@Shutchohole no they didnt go back and listen to it again. They did mention a racing class that requires a distributor. You can buy a distributor kit for an LS cheaper than this abortion
Think they'd make them the other way around but I guess we can't argue with progress??? Why don't they just re-design a LS style head to fit any stock small (block) bolt patterns. BUT I'm sure there's plenty of other issues with cooling flow and other minor things.
Is it just me or is the lifters already tapping? Lmao
Your Right Mike White Ticking Time B
They sure are I saw the puff of smoke then they started a tap, tap tapin' lol.
Wrong pushrod length
@@GearheadOutlaw that or rocker ratio. SBC can be adjusted on fly LS is 1 shot.
Let me guess you support the corner cutter.
Awesome video! Love the way you guys do your videos. And also keep the awesome weird stuff coming Motown! Always wanted to do this same kind of thing…
I KNEW they had built one of these. Of course people said I was stupid but I have been a PowerBlock fan since before they were ever called PowerBlock.
I remembered too, but this was a different displacement. The other was a 440ci. Motown II LS for the Triple Threat Camaro build.
This concept seemed quite interesting and feasible ay the time, but it never seemed to catch on. We do roughly 80 to 90 builds each year, and we're building many small blocks from 383 to 427 and even a couple of 434's. As well, we do a few LS motors, but we've never had anyone approach us for this Chevy/LS combo. World Products produced a 1st gen block with the LS bolt pattern decks, and I expected that idea to gain some speed. The selling point was fitting LS technology into early Chevys without having to modify the crossmember and engine mounts etc. Now that several companies offer beefier LS blocks, no one seems interested in mounting LS top ends on early blocks
If the only benefit would be motor mounts and cross member then it doesn't make sense. Those items are super cheap compared to trying to build this over a regular LS with swap parts.
Well considering a sbc block only cost me $200, same for a LS. Would be hard for me to justify $3300 for a block.
@@stephenhodge6441 First Gen Camaros also had steering components behind the crossmember, making oil pan clearance another issue.
The problem is not the idea, the problem is the cost.
It’s great the aftermarket continues to support the SBC! Chevy engineers addressed many of the limitations when designing the LS1. Versions that followed such as LS3 are even more advanced. Pretty easy to make 600 hp at 376 ci with LS, and street manners like it’s not even modded. Think what it takes to equal that with a 383” SBC, and it weighs at least 100 lbs more than the LS3.
I used to think these blocks were a good idea. But it turns out stock internals are just fine on engines without detonation problems and the ls parts are well designed. While the sbc has an oil pump that doesnt eat much power the ls has ventilation between cylinders, larger cam core, a cross bolted skirted block for noise rejection and main cap stability etc... The ls has proven that the importance of a forged crank in anything but a split pin v6 is highly over rated and if you don't have to buy racecar parts then why do it? The aftermarket has addressed the oil pan situation and the lack of a distributor and even with the hybrid block headers are still a consideration and now brackets can be an issue where they wouldn't be with a true full ls. I mean if you just love distributors mechanical fuel pumps it might seem like a good idea but for the cost of an aftermarket block you could just buy afr heads and keep the 23 degree setup. Heck you could but 15 or 13 degree race heads or some used sb2 or 18 degree heads.
Right, lol???
Crazy to build this caliber of engine with a cast iron timing gear, i dont even use them in stock engines anymore since ive found 3 cam gears cracked with nothing more than a valve spring upgrade. Luckily they chose to do a cam change soon after spring upgrade
I go with the pro comp timing belt setup it's bullit proof stuff with adjustments for different degrees
@@richardfinney3179 what do you do with your engines, drag race, street or?? Been looking at PC belt drives but if the quality matches most of their off shore junk i dont thing i will be willing to trust one on drag n drive events where the cars need reliability
I love that small block
If they wanted to get 5 to 8 more horsepower they should have installed a 1 inch carb spacer plate only because those butter flys on the carb should be above to top of the runners and not even with them , also they should side gap all the plugs to expose the spark directly to the combustion chambers .
So how much is this build? And does it really meet the rule for the old SBC? I’m guessing if it does today and people start getting beat by it it will be written out of the rules
Looking good bud if you get bored we have an event down here in Montana June 27th
AWESOME ENGINUIEDY GREAT JOB 👍 GUYS
I ALWAYS ran Cherry Bomb glasspacks on my GTO i do love the sound!!
I have thrush cherry bombs on my old 95 302 h.o. it sounds pretty awesome.
I got true duals on my 91 350 k1500 with dual cherry bomb glasspacks and they sound super mean. I would have them over anything else out there especially when really broken in good!
This is a really great hybrid engine.
I get the impression that it's just weird for the sake of being weird, which is fine but kinda spendy.
@@177SCmaro True.
Man! A SBC with LS heads. YESSSSSS.
RIP Joe. You will be missed.
What would be the bill for a kit like this. Everything you have shown? Thanks much. I thought by now one of the head manufacturer would have come up with dual over cam heads? Would take some extra machine work to mount a cam drive system but could be maybe de stronger than a coyote. Thanks for this video.
Disturb the peace, I wonder how much that engine cost
Probably 10,000
Too much to be worth while when a ls has better engineering in total
More than a low mileage ly6 would cost
@@bigboreracing356 my ass is clean and what i have is a positive criticism. To buy a " special " sbc block to use with LS heads sounds about as bad as those lifters . I already have a built 350 which 350's aren't stock for 80's monte carlo's. With that said any time i order something i have to be careful if i do it online with the whole this does or doesn't fit yr car. I can't imagine trying to order stuff on the fly for this . Especially if you want to change brands. If it was a kit to fit any 350 that would be a whole different ball game. Just saying
About 3 times as much making 1/3 the power as a turbo 5.3 lmao
This is just a custom cast and milled gen 1 small block Chevrolet. People are wanting to do this with junkyard blocks but without having to mill it.
I knew it, I knew it! Someone was going to do this!!
15 years ago.. yep they did it
Neat, money money money. That being said it sounds like the 53 year old 292 in my farm truck. Makes decent power though I just can't get over that lifter sound.
Please check the Dynomax Race Bullet mufflers.
Hello how about a parts list on your builds?
With part numbers so we can duplicate the motor..
Thank you
Dan
its on their website
Powerful combination 👊🏾💪🏾💯
Looks like you can get to the lifters without taking the heads off. A great advantage for racing.
Nope. Those heads got to come off to remove the valley cover. It would be great if we could have that ability.
They do all these projects but never fess up to what it all costs. For the price of the special block and crank along with the rods pistons cam and lifters, you could probably build at least two 600 hp LS motors to put that set of LS heads on.
Looked it up, $2,600ish. Big ole yikes. You could make a junkyard monster for that.
@@yeanah2571 this is more of a circle track endurance engine to be ran hard for a whole season before freshened up not really a budget dragracing engine hence the low compression JE Pistons made to run all night without seeing the south side of 5000rpm unless your under caution or loading it on the trailer
I built one it ant cheap
You could just build a 500 hp old school 350 for cheaper then this
Yeah I'm clueless cuz I'm not a car guy I just like Beauty in the cars and the people that have the passion that's cool but I have no idea what things cost because you know I drive a fucking Toyota. It gets me where I need to get I want to drive to New Orleans for the weekend no problem
Is there one a single piece of that CF you've built that will fit either Chevy small block that you're calling a hybrid??????
I had this 66' Bel Air station wagon with a vortec head swapped 327. I took it on down to the local muffler monkey & handed him a pair of single chambers and to install full 3" exhaust exciting behind the rear tires. How loud could it possibly be ???
I'll tell you this brother...ever been to a cackle fest ??? Holy Crap !!! & We had one hour to check the car in at Street Rods North (NSRA) we had to put on hearing protection just to drive it down the highway !!!!
Learned my lesson 😆
I have long wondered how modern engines can get away with skirtless pistons. What keeps them from trying cock left and right?
My favorite engines am i glad they did this episode!!
you are pretty high....
@@trillrifaxegrindor4411 whats wrong with the small block chevy and LS motor?
@@trillrifaxegrindor4411 ??
The glass pack is the loudest. Run it for a bit and the fiberglass blows out and it becomes a straight pipe. Alternatively pour some gas in it and light it to burn off the fiberglass before installing.
fiber glass doest burn its a fct the steel wool does fiberglass is fire proof as you can get if a fiber glass boat burns you literally could wash the fiber glass and lay up the same boat again!
I love love love the sbc. But I seriously don't see the point to this custom block.
You get a little more crank shaft choices
I haven't seen anything like that at car shows at all wonder how well them sold
I'd guess the Gen 1 SBC lower end would be worth around 25-30hp, due to the LS engine having issues with bay to bay breathing.
When it comes to beautiful jewelery in the motor AND dependableity CROWER IS THE STUFF I USE Bruce Crower was a total genius at making stuff that is top notch his son fallows suit US made with pride quality there only product
Please explain how you three-quarter pipe a 10 bolt head put on 17 head bolt block
The “Secret” to the Ls engines power potential is in the heads. Factory LS heads flow the kind of air that big dollar aftermarket heads do for the gen 1 sbc. So those who say that a decent set of heads on a standard small block is every bit as good as an LS, doesn’t understand the limitations of the og small block (max cam lift especially when using a hydraulic roller, cooling issues especially with the siamesed exhaust ports). these are really only limitations when compared to modern engines ie the LS, a small block can make more than enough grunt for the street, that power is just easier to produce with an LS
and tight tolerancesw and balancing theyre made by robots unlike its daddy the sbc they improved every bad thing a sbc had wrong with it why go back to the dinosour ages doesnt make any sense!
Accessories, accessories. I would have put those adapter plates near the rear of the motor and snuck a return pipe under the manifold attached to that valley cover. Why... I might even be able to stick with oem radiator hoses. This build could put alternator and power steering down low but I want my air conditioning - damn the critics!
Interesting, just wish, with these types of builds, they would include the costs. I realize that Labour can be subjective and can vary from location to location, but it would be nice, when they put these beasts together, to have a Cost, even breakdown, so us plebes could get a better appreciation of where we stand. Is it UnObtanium with a Dash of Not Gonna Happen? Or is it within the realm of possibilities, if I eat Macaroni for a year to scrape up the dough to make it happen.
Wellll...........the bare block is $3400 for starters.
A lot of seams in that coolant crossover and where does the belt-drive go?
That’s a cool half breed engine love it best of both worlds
I'm not the only one that heard it knocking like a jw on Saturday morning, am i?
Can a person use Chevy Small Block exhaust on a Gen 3 or Gen 4 4.8L, 5.3L, or 6.0L LS engine? I just located a Schoenfeld 180 degree headers for the small block chevy.
No it would be LS headers.
An sbc with Ls heads is a great idea until you realize you can't mount accessories with the coolant crossovers in place.
Pitch Meeting guy: whoops
Pitch Meeting exec: whoopsie
This is a custom milled block, nothing really says gen1 about it anymore
I agree that's the only downside, the guys who designed it forgot to design the Coolant system for the Thermostat housing. Still be a Interesting conversation at a car show when Ya open the bonnet
Perfect combo
3:15 Does that mean you can also put three fifty one windsor head on it
No exaggeration , those Pro system SV-1 single blade carbs are super Snappy, i have heard transmission input shafts snapping and driveshafts breakage. An incredible part. Note this airing of episode was 2010 i have learned from the comments below.
Do you put gunpowder in your gasoline?
Do all the engines go to the Prom
or just the popular ones?
hehe sorry
My dad used to say he would get his glass packs the old thrusher glass packs really hot and then hit them with cold water and he said it would shatter all the glass and then you could blow it out the tailpipe and it would give it a better sound is there any truth to that
Isn't one of the best attributes of an ls the fact its a deep skirt block with side bolts for the mains? I think if you really wanted to run a distributor you could have a Gilmer belt driven one made up cheaper than the cost of the short block of that engine.
For strength-Yes.
For bay to bay breathing-NO!!
@@milojanis4901 factory ls heads are far superior to the best sbc heads. Not sure what you mean by "Bay to bay"
Can you put a ls1 top end on a 350 that's borer 40 over?
What is the benefit of those heads. And why does no one include the cost?
Easy roller cam conversion by just using the cam and lifter kit on any old 350 block you might have in your backyard. 🤔🤔
Good to see you guys working together again. I just now discovered this channel. Nothing against P.N. but I can not stand that Pat fella. I will not watch any episode with him in it. You are great, and this is an awesome video. Thanks guys.
Will a top end kit with cam work on a 91 "tbi" chevy 350 block? Are the 70s, TBI's, and LS blocks the same? I know the vortec heads and intake are different, but are the blocks the same?
LS blocks only have one thing in common with SBC blocks, that is the transmission bolt pattern, and even then there is one hiole you can't use.
@@fryloc359 Thanks for that info! I think I will rebuild my 91 tbi 350 block, and put a top end kit on it for my K1500.
@@fryloc359 My block is a 1991 GMC tbi 350, not an LS. I think I can rebuild the bottom end, and put a top end kit on it with new cam, heads, and intake. I believe I just need to find out how to attach the accessory mounts, and water pump specifically.
How can you destroke a 350 for an 06 pickup Chevy of course
So you have to get an entire new block! Seriously what's the point?
Solution looking for a problem
@@bigboreracing356 you do realise the 7.0 Ls7 has 505 horsepower and you can get one for 4k right? And the 7.3 Godzilla is 430 horsepower and cost 7k. And the godzilla is a almost direct copy of a L.s being a pushrod v8 that's very similar. And there's almost 0 aftermarket for Ford and endless for GM. You can also get a used Ls7 very cheap. I'm not even a brand loyal gm guy and know that.
@@jkirk7811 You can also just get a big block chevy and have more displacement and power than an LS7. Does that mean we shouldn't bother with the LS7?
Not everyone cares about $/hp. The Godzilla is the new thing. I hope people start playing with it.
It's also not a copy of the LS. It's designed to be an option to the powerstroke in pickups. And given how nuts they've gone with all this emission stuff on diesels I'd say the Godzilla is a welcome alternative.
The episodes are 10 years old
Oh... priming the block is easier for one, and there is a bunch of gen 1 parts to choose from for the bottom end. Little things like oil pan design/clearancing for certain muscle cars would make this a good way to enjoy a set of LS heads without getting into alot of odd details and extra fitment issues.
This project is for somebody going to build a new motor anyway, not refresh an old workhorse.
Awesome but money's no object to you guys I like your show could you sponsor me in a build?
You can mount ls heads to a factory sbf. LS block looks more like an old ford fe block then a sbc.
Some guy did put LS heads on a FSB . Had to have a special cam ground. But it did run and put out decent power till he put a turbo or two on it and blew rod through block. I'm vid is still on TH-cam
@@stickpd7885 I've seen that.
That big single blade carb reminds me of an old predator single
Mind blown!!!😳🤯😵
What year did this HP TV episode come out?
Can someone explain to me what they are doin when using the strobe light on the balancer/damper... I obviously understand it has to do with timing but what exactly is going on there?
they are checking the timing to see when #1 plug fires. Usually there is a mark on the balancer where #1 is at TDC, and another set of pointers that indicate TDC, 2 degrees BTDC, 4 * BTDC, etc.
What is the reason for this? Just so that you can have a distributor? Is the SBC block better than the LS?
Some racing classes require the old SBC block. The LS platform is better though.
I mean.. u can put the ls in just about anything old school with 50 dollar adaptor plates lol but... this is cool as shit lol