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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2024
- I finishing playing Fire Emblem Echoes: Shadows of Valentia. Here's what I think of it.
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I’m glad you had fun with it!
The problems with the game can be really glaring I won’t deny it, but I love this game for the feeling and the experience it gives me (Smooth gameplay, Amazing art and music, etc) so I’m really glad I could share it with you!
That story is simple yet effective also Fernand so such a good enemie.
Not to mention the superb voice acting :D
@@charleouel9012 Star Wars couldn't have done it better.
@@dragonknightleader1 they tryed tho but yah it better there.
I'm grateful to Echoes for explaining me the three genders of boy, girl and gold knight
Why is Gold Knight a gender?
Isn't Oliver a gender?
Oliver is the only acceptable gender!
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@@xxx_jim_the_reaper_xxx I'm pretty sure that Gold Knight is the only final Echoes class that isn't split by gender. (Ie - Bow Knights must always be male, Saints must always be female.). While both males and females can be Mages, when they promote, the males become Sages, whereas females become Priestesses, leaving Gold Knight as the only class both genders can land in. Perhaps I'm wrong, though..?
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I don't know.
Itz just a game.
Anything can happen.
I just wish echoes had more access to legendary weapons and class changing items.
I had played echoes at release and I enjoyed a fair deal of it actually. I've never played gaiden before so I was even more excited because it was all new to me. Great looking and fantastic music as always. I enjoyed the full voice acting as well.
They really should have done away with some of the maps tho.. all the desert and swamp. Fuck that desert fortress with the archers especially. Honestly I think echoes is worth going through once if nothing else but it's not offering much for any subsequent playthroughs for me at least.
I do hope that when they remake another game they take effort into more gameplay improvements and reinterpretations as well as presentation - Geneaology with an optional revamped mode (since a lot of the classic fe4 unbalance is pretty fun but it'd be fun to see a new take as well) or FE6 with the improvements to weapons and reinforcements that FE7 made (not counting 2x weapon effectiveness) would be great along with all the new bells and whistles
Also y'know no premonitions
The most tidius thing in Thebes is poison weapons in the second half and getting astra Luna and sol.
Hey, we all have opinions and we can agree in some things and disagree in some others.
Personally, I like the combination of story and gameplay. It is really tricky to achieve it but Echoes did a way better job than both Awakening and Fates in that part.
For example, I LOVE Genealogy and the way the chapters were actually parts of the world map and how it felt like an actual war.
Echoes, took a game that has NOT aged well, brought ALL of the gameplay aspects of that era, added a couple, and made the story and the presentation of it WAY BETTER. That is a big YES for me. That is what I want from a game of this genre. And I am totally OK if some1 disagrees because I would probably disagree with their opinion on something else.
Out of the 3DS games for me, Echoes is rated first, Awakening second and Fates dead last for obvious reasons.
P.s.: What you mentioned about the Falchion scene that is presented to us, and actually happening later into the game, is something that happens in other media as well, like TV Series and movies, and is often used to pique the interest of the viewers. You might not like it but A LOT of them use it nowadays and it actually appeals to MANY people.
I always found it strange how much people were willing to overlook its glaring flaws and brush them off with "well, it's a remake/at least it's a real FE." It's not a bad game, but a lot of the game is like playing through Valla except with infinitely spawning enemies and skirmishes which add nothing to the experience except pained sighs.
To continue the meme, Padding Emblem is a pretty good title.
Comparing Echoes to Fates? Relevations in particular? Woah.. you sure are brave.. I do agree with you tho
@@fionavar6607 At this point I feel like if all the FEtubers said Pokemon Conquest was the best FE because of its story a lot of people would eventually come to believe that
@@CarbonMalite Naah.. I doubt that.. its been what.. 3 years? And Fates still gets crapped on.. im glad Awakening at least can finally rest in peace.. mostly.. Its just sad.. While yes Awakening and Fates were differently from the older games that doesnt make them bad! Did those game have mediocre/bad storys? Sure.. but then again from the older games that I have played (6, 7, 8, 11.. does echoes count?) they also werent anything world moving in terms of storys.. and honestly? I do happen to find the gameplay of the newer games a lot more enjoyable and I still come back to those games just to replay them and try something new this time around.. its partly what disappointed me in Echoes tbh.. the gameplay was just.. bad.. and there is no real replay value to it whatsoever.. its nice for a single playthrough but.. other than that? Also sorry if I am rambling to much haha..
@@fionavar6607 I'm just saying, people always lump Fates in with Awakening but conveniently decide that Echoes didn't have the same problems with things like map design, character depth, bad/easy gameplay just because it "wasn't Fates" like he mentioned in the video. That makes it seem like they were told how to feel to me
I think all the games have similar flaws to them, that's why it bothers me the double standard that's been set since they also share a lot of good things
I guess that would be fair.
But as it happens. I like the enemy spawners and desert maps and other things seemingly everyone else hates.
Echoes might be my new favorite fire emblem. I just want to beat it first, it would be my 2nd fore emblem game ive beaten.
So, I like the faithful design.
@2:54 Mekkah is absolutely right about stealthing and you can see it in the bonus dungeon on Archanea where enemies have insane health. HOWEVER, because the bonus bosses also have insaner health, Dread Fighter grinding is necessary just like how Awakening DLC required second seal abuse. Of which I am guilty of both, so don't take it to mean I'm judging people who do grind.
Watch me go~
Thabes is really only worth doing for the extra bits of lore it has related to Awakening. So if you don't care about that, there's not much of a point to going through a few annoying boat maps and a several-floor dungeon you have to do in one run.
One of my favorites in the series, i'm glad to this day that there's at least 1 good FE game in 3DS
Yeah Echoes was fun but I think between it, Awakening, and Fates(mostly Conquest), it's the worse of the 3. It's story was fine, but with less supports and switching between the stories the only reason I was really invested at all was because of the Voice Acting, I'll take Awakening or Conquest any day.
As for the gameplay, good but it had some real problems, and wit random encounters it became more annoying then anything else at times.
I wanted to know what you thought about the new villains...
They were alright, but the story was functional without them. I can tell they were passion projects of sorts but they're REALLY over the top about the whole "lol i hate everyone that's not a noble" thing...also Rinea is a total non-character and it's hard to be sympathetic to Berkut for that reason.
Mekkkah Thanks for replying! I definitely agree with you on Rinea. She seemed like less of a character and more of plot tool.
You gave your thoughts on Conrad but what about Faye (another new character)? What did you think of her?
I like that they added more girls. I don't like how one-note she is. I like that Alm rejects her in her A support and that the bonuses are negative for her. I would've appreciated it if other characters called her out on her Peri-like traits but other than that I don't think she's that offensive of a character.
I think whether or not this games leaves a good impression on you is what you value in a (FE) game. Art and overall aesthetics are important to me, so I adored Echoes. I can see why people who are indifferent to those things found the game sort of meh, as its gameplay is often tediouslooking at you, Celica route).
Imo if they didn't replicate Gaiden so much, this could've been the best FE game.
Hope ur archers are leveled up enough. Have fun at Thebes!!
I think Gaiden is funnier to play than Echoes .
But Musics and everything else than gameplay is good .
Echoes is like a cake that looks nice in those pastry shops , it looks super good and it taste worse and worse the more you eat it .
Not to be rude, but "funnier" is a comparative form of "funny", as in humorous. You're looking for "more fun" or "funner" although the latter is pretty bad English in my opinion.
@@Sashitoge Thank you , you made me a inteligenter man .
Dude what the fuck, you enjoyed the stealth, are you insane?
The hands are back!!!!
Not giving your mycen xp is a pitfall
If Duma Tower was throwing you for a loop, then Thebes will fuck your mind up. Also, doing good at Thebes requires more of what you criticized Echoes on (abusing Alm, Bow Knights, Dread Fighters...) you probably won't enjoy it, as what it eventually builds up to will probably just disappoint you.
Why do people say Alm like that.?
Well, at least Archers are actually useful for once. I mean my god Archers are really good in Echoes. But I am going to be completely honest...I don't think they should have the ability to attack close range and instead they should be able to attack far.
"Trust in Falchion" was cringe
I find Echoes to be an alright game, but great for the future of FE.
Why?
Awakening, atleast imo, had a story of questionable quality.
Fates story ranged from bad to god awful.
Echoes though... It's not a masterpiece, but i actually enjoyed the story again, that shines bright when surrounded by stories like Fates, Heroes or Warriors.
It shows that Intelligent Systems still has competent story writers.
Adding to the point of the writers, in Echoes they actually took the Gaiden storyline and made the story even better by giving the characters more spotlight like the villagers or even giving villains proper backstory like Berkut.
U alright? You sound a bit nazley
Thebes gave me a headache
-Now play Berwick Saga-
As much as I like Echoes story and music, I can't force myself through chapter 4. Chapter 1 was good but 3-4 are pretty awful imo and the maps in general are pretty bad. Still the music is probably my fave FE soundtrack to date
I find it funny that Mekkah's opinion about Echoes during the story reflects Alm's viability in efficient play.
How Echoes would go from being a very good game, to one of the best games.
1: Better map design
2: Less random encounters
3: A few extra supports
4: A Lunatic difficulty with restrictions on Mila’s Turnwheel
Aside from that, it is probably in my top 3, only after Conquest and Binding Blade in terms of how much I enjoyed it.
Redoing fatigue. Either have it carry over in the over world or do away with it entirely. Having it reset upon leaving dungeons trivialized the mechanic. Stat debuffs probably also need more tiers than just a 50% reduction. The developers clearly intended more of this at first but decided it got in the way. But if fatigue carried over into the over world, perhaps sinking slowly, people would not hoard as many food items or would visit the shrines more...
More in line with the turn wheel being reworked, if the regeneration of turn wheel uses didn't happen in the over world, and aside from the long rests at the end of each act, Drink offerings at the shrine are the only way to regenerate it... Then the Turnwheel would be more balanced. Beyond that, If I had been designing Turnwheel mechanics I'd have more uses than just rewinding a battle. With if Turnwheel uses did not reset, perhaps have an over world function of reversing overworld moves between battles but at the cost of one move per turn. And also have accessing DLC cost Turnwheel uses. You know so that the free weapons and items players get for essentially playing a green units in a garden chapter, don't essentially come for free. Then again, might just be over thinking it.
Opinions? On this website?! It's more likely than you think.
I like how you weren't afraid to give your negative opinions on the game. Liked. I also feel similarly about Echoes, ultimately I feel it's a step in the right direction, but some of the things they did I would even prefer the original over(like the unnecessary changes like you said) or wish they worked on it better.
But really, at the end of the day, I really like Gaiden's place in the fire emblem franchise, especially before Echoes existed, it's such a damn unique and interesting game with it's own personal charm, so I feel conflicted Echoes exists as that makes Gaiden's lone spot no longer, but at the same time it is great to see the masterpiece updated with new cool shit.
Early game is hype. Part 3 is meh. Part 4 is great (in my opinion cause Lord of the Dead Empire). TWILIGHT OF THE GODS!
Yeah I agree. And Alm's route is more fun than Celica's in my opinion.
If we're gonna talk about premonition scenes, technically Radiant Dawn had some big spoilers in the intro cutscene, since it's literally just playing blue-washed clips from every cutscene in the game, including Ashera's awakening. The player just has no concept of what they're seeing at the time.
I could have done without the premonitions, honestly, and while you can find a lot of good plot in Celica's journey (as seen by Ghast's support science), frankly even I felt the "trust in Falchion" scene was stupid and forced when I played it, and I usually have a high tolerance for those types of things.
My biggest question for you is what you think of the forging system. Did you enjoy it, or not? Did you look up what weapons can be turned into what, or go in blind? I really liked the fact that you had to work with effectively-limited resources, so that even if weapons are infinite-use, you still only have a handful of weapons to work with, so you need to figure out who gets what. That is, unless you have the DLC, which ruins all of that thoughtful balance and just gives you everything you could ever want.
I think you get more intro imagery unlocked as you process into the game. I know the BK scene isn't unlocked initially. But I'm not sure on the specifics. And I do think first timers not knowing what they're seeing is a fine excuse to show certain things, that's why a shot of Ashera is acceptable but one of BK fighting is not.
I knew Killer Bow existed and at some point I looked it up. I like that they tried something different with forging weapons, but I don't think this is the way to go from here on out. Gathering gold and silver is an annoying process so instead you tend to turn towards selling items. But as a blind player you have no clue which items might be useful later and which items are needed for sidequests so you should be kinda scared on what to sell. I forged some random things but I had no idea what was optimal.
I think Echoes needed another difficulty setting, I'm too used to having normal-hard-lunatic.
But I guess harder enemies would only add tedium?
I wish it had more settings in general for stuff like that. A lot of the story is just plain easy, but if you just ramped up everything then the random encounters would be bullshit. So rather if you could toggle like individual difficulties or lower/up encounter rate.
Lunatic has always been bullshit
Gaiden would have been way too tedious in Lunatic-stat scaling without major changes. Gaiden has map problems and has some scaling team problems early on.
Narratively Alm's story is much better than celica's story, sadly celica has a much less developed character arc than alm. Maps and enemies spawns in the dungeon are really bland sometimes. But that's all fixed for how amazing the voice acting is, which is probably the only thing I was really playing echoes for. The voice acting reminds me of snake eater, the dialouge is funny, characters are really endearing, and the overall message about the story is probably the strongest part about the story. I give it a 7/10.
This game would have bombed so freaking hard had it not been for it's production and budget. They did very little to fix Gaiden but focused on the only thing that kept people from playing it: It's an old NES Game. For that, it's worth to play, but goddamn, this game is just too blunt.
I enjoyed SoV a lot, though admittedly a lot of it was also tied to being able to play without the pair-up feature once again, or having to calculate debuffs/skills and whatever for every single battle, which does fall into the category of "it could be worse". Of course the map design is bad and the gameplay is a bit too simple because of that for the most part, but it is also kind of charming in a way at points.
The presentation both art and sound wise is superb and the story and dialogue, while simple get the job done and ooze of charm. It's probably not a game that I'm going to return to very often but I really am glad I experienced it as well. I really feel like I should play OG Gaiden at some point too though just to experience what the original was like.
Desert and poison swamp maps hooray
That's the thing about Fire Emblem games isn't it though, they always have that one flaw in the array of improvements. Fates had fantastic maps and difficulty scaling (Conquest mostly), but severely fell behind in terms of story, and online interactions. Shadows of Valentia definitely had the most impressive animations, story, and even supports, but the maps were just god awful.
Hopefully though, IS should learn what is a good thing to add into the games, and incorporate those into Three Houses.
No Thabes?
But the loooooooore?! (No spoilers)
Also thank you for your opinion man
Grima is much more epic here than Awakening.
Because he felt more "Ancient" and "Mythical" than what you have seen on Awakening.
@@xxx_jim_the_reaper_xxx Eh, I preferred it when Grima was this all-powerful fell god with unknown origins, rather than some dude's evil Chia pet...
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Well, nahhh...
Something that ungodly could've came from somewhere.
I personally really dislike it.
Say what you will about the story of Fates, but at least the gameplay (you know, the thing you're doing 95% of the time in these games?) is good.
And in Conquest's case, masterful.
I just will never understand who made the decision to be so faithful to the map design of the original game.
Its is usually an abomination, and so, I will never play it again.
If I just wanted the story, I could look it up online.
Glad you had some fun with it though.
My opinion:
Story: Loved it.
Alm's campaign: Had its ups and downs,but still enjoyed it.
Celica's campaign: Go die in a fire.
Thank you.
Mekkah, if you don't think you are qualified to be a game reviewer then you should check out the ign review. Guy was salty he couldn't s rank saber and celica
It was a girl doing the review.
K, the girl was salty she couldn't s rank Celica and saber. Still an odd comment though considering the overall narrative of the game.
You 100% described my only gripes with Shadows of Valentia. I appreciate your honesty and recognition of games for what they are, neither minimizing or focusing too much on its flaws.
Echoes has been my favourite of the 3DS games primarily due to the setting and characters but a few gameplay additions i like such as the weapon skills.
I'm hoping Three houses will be a quality game but the art hasn't really gripped me much so i'm hoping the gameplay and story will be good.
All I remember about my time in Thebes is "*God* these fights are a slog. Why would I fight any of these things? What reward am I even getting?"
So yeah, I don't think you're missing much.
Basically almost everything that you can hate about Echoes (map design, balance) can be explained as the game being more faithful to the original game that it should have ever been. That doesn't necessary include story complaints, but I think that there is a lot more good than bad in the overall plot (the dialogues were really enjoyable throughout and the voice acting helped a lot too!).
I love the game to bits, there's so much charm and love put into it that I cannot help but be drawn to it. However, I find criticism like yours to be perfectly reasonable, and I hope that IS can find a good balance between good map design/gameplay and charming aesthetics for future games. Also, they should probably take more risks with future remakes, but I guess that didn't pay off well with the DS games.
The credits music was the true one reward, dude, that and the last battle music together send it finishing with a roaring banger.
This game can make me cry, somehow. I just find it beautiful.
tbh, i found it kinda meh. fun the first half, then a slog. I have one file that has over 100 hours of grind on it, because i bought the season pass (worth, if you enjoy the game) the dlc classes are op as hell, but look really cool. I started the game the second time, and used only my units that were mercenaries, so i could constantly roll them back to villager, and continue the lvling. i used these units to go through the starlight dungeons (idk what they are called) and until i had (i think) around 6 starsphere's and then grinded all my units with starspheres equipped, until at last, every unit was a dlc class, at max level, without skipping any levels. It was tedious as ****ing hell, but worth, just so i could steamroll the entire game, and oneshot almost every enemy. also, the game is seriously p2w ;)
Faye cute tho
Also, at least Three Houses' en medias res intro was of events 1000 years past that you don't get a good grasp on for a long time, and it never ruins any story beats.
Even with his map design or gameplay problems, I will still saying it, Echoes is my favorite Fire Emblem, a beautiful art design, interesting characters, some new mechanics that I really loved, and for me, the best lord: Alm ♡
Alm îs bland af and The story mediocre
pls open three houses with your foots for foot reveal
As someone who never played gaiden, i can say i loved echoes. Honestly its up there with the tellius games for me as my favorites of the franchise. While the faults of the game are glaring the characters were so fun and the had so much charm that i just ended up enjoying it all the way.
Couldnt agree more. Its not an FE i think i would replay much, but definitely glad i played at least once.
((By the way, nice pic. Shiki is muh bae))
As someone newer to the franchise (For reference, I've played Fates, Awakening, Echoes, and FE7&8) I absolutely adore Echoes. Looking back, the premonition was very unnecessary. It not being there might've even made me more invested in Celica. Alm's army remains the game's highlight for me.
While the game could serve to be much better, the change in combat was very refreshing. Fates and Awakening had grown to be a slog because of how repetitive they were for me, though I remain happy with the GBA games.
Echoes is still better than Fates.
Don't play the post game don't really worth it the game design become trash and grind for years! Oh it so bad... (I didn't like it the reward is trash too.),
I don't recomande it the only good parth of the post game is there a section in the other tower that you fight useing only alm and it kinda badass to use only him you kinda have to use terrain and all it really fun and chalangeing I don't know what lvl you play the game but even on Normal IT was pretty hard (tho my Alm didn't had his Royal sword max lvl and his lvl wasn't the highest yet but stil it was really fun so If you do the tower only do that parth tho I think is about right in the midle of the tower... :( So it a long grind of boring stuff to get there.)
I started with Echoes so I have some bias towards liking Echoes the most. But when going into it I didn't have any prior knowledge so the intro scene with Alm and Celica was interesting. I didn't think the way your friend did cuz there were chapters where characters looked like the would die. Overall I love this game and I can replay it a bunch, I reccomend playing through Thebes cuz the challenge is nice. The loot is good too!
I have one piece of advice about Thabes Labyrinth: You won’t be going in circles at all. The path options are mostly just “go left or go right” without any other branches at all. Your choice either goes to treasure or the next area. There are some dead ends without treasure, but they do have something that’s worth taking a looking at.
Also, what did you think of the attack animation that plays when you defeat Duma (unless you got the kill with Scendscale)
Mekkkah back with a _hands_ on approach in the beginning. Nice
This is actualy my favorite FE I've played as it reminds me alot of Shineing Force 1&2
I think Mekkah could said a bit about berkut (final thoughts as spoiler free as possible) and also yea I enjoyed echos also and think that it was one of the 3ds games that I played a lot and replay it (even if I know what comes at me 😅)
Hey it's my favorite game!
I see you have taste!
Luthier the cat boy unparalleled taste!
you summed up a lot of the views I have on the game as a whole. Great job!
Mekkah Hand Reviews Echoes.
Donjon map SUCK (but I like pretty much every map outside of the Donjon map (AKA the main Map not the grind map)) they are alot of fun.
Tho yah Killer bow could have use a nerf that thing is OP... But outside of that I think it fairly well balance (Armor knight and Cav are kinda underwelming tho) still nice to see Cav not being the God they useally are.
I actually quite liked Thabes given how starved I was for challenge for most of the game and it can be fun to replay the game with Thabes and its boss as an end goal in mind as opposed to just Duma Tower (which is substantially more tedious imo). I also really like Alm Part 4 but otherwise I agree that the good parts of this game are in the beginning. I haven't played the original Gaiden so I dont really have a good comparison point for how this game "should've" been or if it was better or worse. It and FE1 are the only FE games I haven't played and probably dont have any plans to since they're just too aged for my taste compared to their remakes and I simply have a hard time swallowing that either game has anything substantial over their respective remakes, but I've heard opinions to the contrary so who knows.
I think all of Gaiden's Act 4 and beyond map issues could be resolved if route wasn't the only objective. If Kill the Boss or Seize were objectives then at least dumb chapters like Nuibaba's Abode and that one quake mansion in Celica's route would be so much more tolerable.
I have to say something here.
I prefer the first 5 games to the rest. And no, not because I think everything else is shit, quite the contrary. And I wasn’t even born until after FE7, so I didn’t grow up with them. So, why?
It’s not because I think the gameplay is better, or map design, or anything. At least not when it comes to them as a game. But as a story.
They don’t have nearly as much dialogue or anything as the rest of the games, or characterization. But that helps. What I feel is that these games feel much more natural than the last ones. They aren’t designed to give the best experience as a _game_, but as a story, it’s wonderful. I just cannot explain it, but play FE6, and analyze the dialogue and story. Then play FE7. Even if you did, to refresh. You will probably see that FE6 feels much more....real. It feels as a fight that you are trying your hardest to win, not an already made script, that you kind of know how it happens, or you know you are supposed to win, because you are the good guys, but in the older ones, the baddies aren’t as bad, and the story isn’t as...linear, I guess. It FEELS like a journey, and you don’t necessarily know what is going to happen.
Alright, I didn’t explain myself well, but play the first 6 games, maybe skip the first two if you want, and I hope that you’ll see what I mean.
And, completely unrelated matter, the final battle in Gaiden/Echoes is freaking great.
Right, so I have a better way to explain it with something Kaga said. He said that Marth isn’t necessarily the main character of the story. The lack of dialogue allows every character to have the same amount of importance. This doesn’t happen in FE4, 5 and 6, but they still have a Si,Olaf atmosphere. The story is _maleable_. The amount of dialogue the lords have in the rest of the games make them a little bit more boring in my opinion, as weird as it sounds. Look at Void’s Blitzarre Adventure. It’s kind of the same, except that there is no world, but I’ll get into that later. If you want to, the protagonist of Gaiden might as well be Zeke. Or Kliff. Or Gray. Each character, at least for me, felt more...real. Like, what actually mattered in the story was what happened in the battles, not in the dialogues. The story is told through each enemy killed, each lucky dodge, each death and every critical. The dialogue is just for context. It’s quite literally “Show, don’t tell”. Now, what’s good about FE4, 5 and 6 is the world. Each country has more characteristics than in other games. Thracia is pretty well developed, as the south and the north can’t flourish without co-existing, and they can’t quite reach that, and that’s their problem. In FE6, Etruria is your ally, but not really, and the plots between the Lycian nobles and everything that happens, it makes everything feel more real, like there’s a world that exists outside of what the stupid color-headed lord has to say about how bad it feels to kill people.
it is important saying that people enjoy the game, for some weird reason japan didn't like it but the rest of the world kinda did. maybe because the rest of the world did not have gaiden, or maybe japan audience has changed.
i realy love how the music is the same and also improved from the nes era, and the beautiful anime style from the new evangelion animation studio.
I agree the map design is bad but I think that is a fault for original gaiden and I commend IS for keeping it the same even if it is antiquated. I think Mila's turnwheen was implemented almost specifically to remedy the tedium of most maps but that's just speculation. Personally i really enjoyed the falchion scene, my thought process was "whoa! this is cool, i wonder how it got to that point. what could the context be? what has changed?" etc but that's just me. Admittedly I had never played gaiden before echoes but I can tell a lot of work went into polishing the game from the music, visuals, gameplay, and quality of life. I will admit that i disagree with you on your stance of criticism. I feel like criticizing a games every minor shortcoming just feels entitled, especially when the overall package is impressive or even good. This applies to any other media I consume as well. I'll admit I have a strong suspension of disbelief but if a piece of media does things more well than not I see no reason to complain. I reserve criticism for media that does more wrong than right, when you criticize an overall good product it just sounds nit picky to me, like you have to find something to complain about and nothing is ever good enough. This isn't a dig at you specifically either, it's a pet peeve watching anybody being overly critical at what i would call a well made piece of media. I do however respect your opinion even if we differ, especially knowing you as a level headed fire emblem youtuber and longtime fan. Overall i'm glad you enjoyed the game, I certainly did.
Thabes is an interesting additional content, but maybe too grindy. The problem is the stats of the enemies and some specific monsters, but yea, gets boring pretty easily
I remember clearing Thabes without grinding or DLC. Though it certainly was because i abused Hunter's Volley and Double Lion
I did that as well, I wasn't talking about personal experience but rather the stats of the monsters, the scalling of the dungeon is significantly different than the scalling present in the game, especially in the final floors
I'll be honest, kinda wish Celica's death was something that could be affected by your actions as Alm. Like, if you went out of your way to subdue her in combat as opposed to just watching a cutscene, that's the only way she wouldn't die in that cutscene. Alternatively, what if instead Saber or Conrad had to fight upwards out of Duma Tower to reach Celica before Jedah does the evil priest thing, and if either was dead, you couldn't save her? Celica's story just seems rushed.
I honestly loved this game. Was so much better than fates for me. Just loved the characters and how everything was voice acted. Loved the music and art. Loved exploring the dungeons - that should be a staple. It does have a bit of a lull as the game goes on, but I still wanted to find out what happens story-wise. I really can't criticize the game too much. It was one of my favourite games the year it came out.
I agree with a lot of these points, especially the dungeons not feeling fun. I tried to avoid battles there too. And yeah, map design was trash since it was literally 1 for 1 from Gaiden (though some were "ok" I think).
I will say, personally I can overlook so-so gameplay if the narrative is really compelling. So these things didn't bother me *too* much since I was enjoying the hell out of the story and characters and writing. But of course, everyone is gonna have different opinions on that :)
I loved echoes, it’s the only game I didn’t turn off voices and animations once. I also played through every random encounter before avoiding them coming back through when entering a new area and coming back. It’s, in my opinion, the best fire emblem on the 3ds and a game even new comers would enjoy.
Funny, I just finished the game earlier today
I enjoyed this game a ton jsut the simplicity of it not having to worry about all the pairing stuff with fates or awakening which are jsut so tedious to me now after playing them a fair amount of times. The map design is pretty bland with nothing to really spice it and up and those stupid desert maps and even the finall boss map i hated despite the great music, the skills system was a great addition really made me feel awesome when using them because of the animation and the raw power of them. I have some bias as well because i love shorters maps a ton more the the big open ones.
6:18 This is literally, exactly why I made my brother skip that scene when he started play SOV. I hate that scene and I'm pleading to IS to find another way to start a Fire Emblem. I'd rather have the exposition dumps on the kingdoms and their leaders.
Glad you enjoyed playing Echoes!
It’s got flaws sure, but it’s still a great game to play!
It's just such a shame that a game with its perfect presentation is held back so much by terrible gameplay and map design.
The post game dungeon is actually quite hard at times (till you cap or reach a third tier) but you'll want to sneak through most of the battles at that point to rush the end
I'm halfway through it right now, Act 3 on Alm's side in terms of map design is actual trash and Dread Fighters are way too strong
Guess they learned their lesson, Three Houses opens with a flashback instead and it works really well.
I honestly don’t get the praise for the story, all the villains are pretty bad and uninteresting. Berkut is a joke who loses /fails at every corner.
Of course they’re not Garon/Anakos/Iago/Hans levels of bad, but seriously what is?
Docaccino I think the problem is that they make him cocky and lose a lot which makes him generally unlikeable but at the same time we’re supposed to feel sad and emotional over his death.
Berkut is exactly what Doca said, but I did wish the battles with him were more difficult. Also, Rinea being more involved would've been nice.
Fernand makes me believe that the premonition should've been replaced with the Rise of the Deliverance because it gives more background on him especially. Hell, you could've had the DLC story following him, Berkut, & Rinea or something like that because he doesn't really do much in the main story.
Jedah would've been saved if he wasn't so obviously evil. Should've made him more subtle & possibly helping Celica indirectly to gain her trust. Not only that, how cool would've it been had the interactions with him changing if you recruited Sonya or not (Maybe even to the point where you would only face Jedah at the swamp if you saved Sonya because she knows he can't be trusted, while it would've been avoided if Deen was brought along)?
Desaix was very bland. Given how horrible a king Lima was, making him an extremist trying to destroy Rigel would have been not too bad, maybe even being a good foil to Alm. Also, for those that didn't play Gaiden, I think he's final words should've been more vague in order to hide Alm's true identity (Actually, how did he know who Alm really was?).
I actually liked Slayde, even if it's just because of his lines & voice actor. I liked the idea of him being a recurring mini-boss in Alm's chapters, getting stronger after each battle until you confront him before Rudolf.
Grieth is the same as Jedah, except replace "subtlety" with "an actual threat." He was a joke villain in a role where he really should not have been one. Following the Gaiden manga's lead and having an event where he kills Deen or Sonya (whoever you didn't recruit) would've been a good start.
And that's all the ones I had ideas for. While I liked the story for this game (moreso after watching Ghast's videos on it), there was a ton of wasted potential, and the villains are the best example of that, especially with how many of them were filler throwaways.
@@Docaccino I just really get the feeling the writers didn't know what they were doing with him and that's why I think he's just a bad character.
Same here. The story is mediocre at best, it feels like it was written without any idea of what an end goal should be. There was a theme of "you don't have to be a noble to be a good leader" with Alm at the start...until it was revealed he was a noble all along. Or the whole theme of forgiveness between Berkut and Rinea, yet it was executed poorly so it seemed like Rinea forgive Berkut for killing her just because she felt guilty she "couldn't save him". Oof
I would've point out more examples, but I think that's enough for now. Just because Echoes story is better than Fates doesn't make it good is what I'm saying.
I legit think if Alm wasn’t an established character everyone would be hating him calling him Avatar pandering.
I’d argue he gets more praise than Robin ingame.
Mekkah its a fire emblem game, there is always going to be something that doesn't make sense in the plot.
As I said in your other video I love echoes it’s my 2nd favorite game I know it has quite a bit of problems specially act 3 but I love the story and characters and i enjoy the gameplay and my favorite final fire emblem boss ever and amazing soundtrack
Fire emblem doesn't know how to use in medias res.
Echoes is my second favourite Fire Emblem game.
I’m so happy you enjoyed Echoes! It’s my personal fav from the series and I saw your first vid and I love that one as much as I do this one. I have to say though, on the point of the in media res thingy with Celica being killed by Alm, I don’t think it took anything away from the experience. I personally went into this game without any prior knowledge of Gaiden at all and tbh that opening cutscene is what made me stop playing my other FE replays just bcos I was intrigued and hooked. Other than that, I mostly agree with your other thoughts on this game. Godspeed!
P.S.: on this game’s reply value. I think it’s worth playing at least 1 or 2 more times. There are things worth tinkering with like the villagers and tbh I just realized that I’ve had more playthroughs of this one than any of my FE games these past few months as I await for Three Houses. Just saying.
I actually like Echo even though the maps are repetitive
I love Echoes, it's just one of my favorite games. It's not perfect, but overall I think it was great. The only thing I'd add would be more support conversations.
I have only played the 3DS Fire Emblem games, but Echoes is my favorite out of them, but that is mostly because of how I like to play and that I enjoy an enjoyable story and Echoes had the best one out of the 3DS games in my opinion.
Annoying random encounters is meant to de-incentivize grinding in a FE game :^)
Glad u found enjoyment in the 3ds games
I can agree, i liked the game alot though
Now try tear ring saga Berwick saga!
echoes is imo the best fe game, simply because of how much fun it was, I especially liked the fact that really powerful things were permanent aditions instead of things with a limited use meaning I actually used them like the hoarding little gremlin I am
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