Building up to AMD's Vega GPUs
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2024
- When I made this video it wasn't even out, but I pieced together all of the information we knew about it building up to its launch in the hope of capturing what it felt like to be almost there... but not quite. Here, I cover its story, from announcement up until a few weeks before official benchmarks.
0:07 - Vega on the roadmaps, speculation about announcement
2:04 - Pre-announcement framerates and information
2:44 - AMD's After the Uprising
4:23 - Responses to announcement
5:07 - Later events that mention Vega
6:27 - Vega FE release
7:00 - RX Vega's marketing
8:04 - Fury X VS 1080 frametimes - Think I've found the reason: AA! • What's Up With The Har...
8:26 - RX Vega's price and offers
9:40 - Finewine
Hoping that this video will get people up to date with the situation and that it will be interesting to look back in in the future, when things have long moved on. I've tried my best to be factual though I also share my hate of fanboys from both sides on a number of my videos as I thought it was quite a big part of the Vega story to date. In short: see this video as entertainment, and follow up on the references below if you want to learn more.
0:07 - AMD Roadmap - arstechnica.co...
0:15 - Pascal reveal - www.guru3d.com/...
2:00 - Vega in H1 2017 - wccftech.com/ve...
2:22 - Vega on Doom in Dec 2016, by Tekknological - • Doom 4K (Vulkan) on AM...
2:36 - Vega VS Geforce 1080 - by Bang4BuckPC Gamer - • AMD VEGA faster than G...
2:44 - AMD After the Uprising - • After the Uprising
3:07 - Vega’s new features - www.tomshardwar...
3:15 - AMD’s Doom demo, January 2017 - • Vega in Action: DOOM® ...
3:28 - AMD’s Making of drums - • Making of “After the U...
3:35 - Think Computer’s Vega Star Wars at CES - • AMD Ryzen + Vega Shown...
4:07 - AdoredTV’s sandbagging possibility - • Vega Clarification - H...
4:23 - AdoredTV saying it isn’t good enough - • Fallout: New Vega
5:07 - AMD’s Capsaicin and Cream event - • AMD Presents Capsaicin...
5:23 - Vega running Sniper Elite 4 - by DEE BATCH - • AMD 2017 Financial Ana...
5:45 - AMD’s Computex 2017 - • AMD at Computex 2017
6:12 - Vega’s release announcement - • AMD at Computex 2017
6:21 - Anandtech’s RX Vega release slated for Aug 14th - www.anandtech.c...
6:21 - Gamersnexus also covers launch price - www.gamersnexus...
6:28 - Anandtech’s Vega FE release announcement - www.anandtech.c...
6:33 - Pictures of Vega from this review - www.pcper.com/...
6:46 - Gamersnexus conclusion on Vega - www.gamersnexus...
7:05 - Pictures from WCCFTech’s article here - wccftech.com/am...
7:24 - Slides from AMD’s RX Vega launch - www.hardwarecan...
7:58 - freesync monitors - hexus.net/tech/...
8:01 - gsync monitors - pcmonitors.inf...
8:11 - Fcat comparison - www.guru3d.com/...
8:16 - Anandtech comparison - www.anandtech.c...
9:22 - Vega’s page on Radeon’s site - gaming.radeon....
9:53 - Anandtech’s Rasterisation article 1 - www.anandtech.c...
9:58 - Anandtech’s Rasterisation article 2 - www.anandtech.c...
10:03 - No tile based rasterizing enabled on Vega yet - digiworthy.com/...
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Are we just not going to talk about how vega and navi are both CS:GO pro teams?
So you're saying that Vega is gonna be bad, but Na'Vi, if you wait a bit, has potential to be insane?
did he say something like that quazx? i dont think so
XrangeViking I'm makin a joke bud
I knew I wasn't the only one!
those and polaris are all names of bright stars
Just released and 4 dislikes already, wat
You have a feminine penis
He disliked with each of his accounts
nvidia
He stays humble and dislikes his own vid, with all his accounts
damn released nine minutes ago and nine dislikes.
People should finish watching the video before disliking -_-
lol
*4k as soon as it's uploaded*
*scheduled upload*
maybe he just did the subtitles first and then published
He made it private until it was 4k
Who needs notifications when you are always on TH-cam :p
Who needs TH-cam when there is Vidme p:
I keep seeing this comment everywhere... Why is everyone such a copycat nowadays...?
Who needs original comments when you have copy and paste?
Who needs copy and paste when you can type manually?
Was hoping you would make this vid, great job👌
It wasn't battlefront 2 rogue one, it was battlefront rogue one. Battlefront 2 is planned to release this fall
No problem :)
Your videos are beginning to stay over 10min
I'm pleased cause of this, you deserve it
Thanks for keeping me in the loop Philip
🌟💡❤🏃😆👍🌟💡❤🏃😆👍
I really enjoy your opinion videos on hardware. I hope you will produce them more frequently in the future
Great video! Very informative.
I feel like AMD is delaying too much because its they dont have anything against 1080ti. The freesync 2 and gamer packs is kinda nice, but nvidia can just release volta and demolish AMD.
4 As long as the pricing is good and there is value gtx 1080 performance sells well.
Damn I really like that channel... after all those years... I finally subbed. I somehow always end up here through all of youtube. Destiny?!
Waiting for benchmarks... I'm eyeing a Sapphire version using it with my 3 FHD Eyefinity Setup... And I certainly would use Chill as I am fine with 60FPS.
However if Vega hardcore flops still(I expected ~1080 performance) I might as well wait for Volta if it will hit... still hate NvidiaSurround to death tho.
I have no clue what any of this means, I just like hearing his voice
I was planning on getting a R7 1700 anyway, so I don't mind spending a bit extra for 2 games and the RX Vega 56.
The only difference that I see between NVIDIA and INTEL regarding how they have pursued their market dominance.
Intel did not focus on innovation (regarding how consumers think)
And became egoistic about their dominance and controlled the monopoly way too much. Just went after the cash.
NVIDIA on the other hand, though controlled a lot of monopoly on the higher ground, they actually make sure that the R&D is worth it. That the cost you pay, actually gives you a jump in performance.
Just look at how the 10 series changed how mobile gaming was. A last gen 960M was being soundly beaten by a 1050ti.
That's why I feel, Vega is good, but it won't pull off a Ryzen like comeback or grab eyeballs.
Threadripper would...Coz again INTEL
Sumit Shrivastava wut? Back in the days generation by generation you got 50% more performance. Now when Nvidia got a monopoly you hope to get 20%
What if a plan for vega is to match the performance of a 1080 for a much much cheaper cost??
Then they're 1 year late
Poor volta is just "poor voltage" with the side covered over with sticker
I know it was kind of a joke that vega was going to use a lot of power though :P
I switched from AMD to NVidia because I wanted to upgrade and they didn't have anything to compete with the 1080 so I ended up getting it, the few frames between the two don't matter, what I say as a AMD lover, If its cheaper and gets close or around the same Performance why not get it?
I have no idea what you're talking about but I like it
good vid, nice explanations!
The problem here is that Vega should have been released last year in may-june along with Polaris to stand a chance against Pascal. If Vega comes out and offers the same price/performance ratio as Pascal I don't see how it can be that successful. And who knows when Volta will be released and bring GTX 1080 ti performance with a $400 pricetag. All I'm saying is that I think Vega is too little, too late.
How is that a problem when it is released? You think since you and a small handful of others got their 1080 or 1080 ti there is no one else left for an upgrade to a better GPU in the world? Step out of your shoes and think.
It's not that there arent a market for these cards, it's just that AMD is a whole year and 2 months behind Nvidia in terms of performance at this point. And there's not much incentive to get an RX Vega over a GTX 1080 when both cost the same and perform the same. And as I said, Volta could be just behind the corner. Nvidia has made a habit of releasing new GPU lineups every 18 or so months and since Pascal was released in May 2016, an October 2017 release for Volta wouldn't be far fetched.
Oscar Eriksson You act like everyone has a 1080ti in their builds....
When did I act like that?
Oscar Eriksson Yep, so much time for a lineup that doesn't even match the 1080ti, consumes more power and is the exact same price as the Nvidia counterpart while they had over a year more to prepare.
In the gpu market, AMD's competition is actually rather competitive. Even though they also result to anti-consumer methods and many times over just win over AMD just because most games are better optimized for Nvidia, they at least knew to reduce their prices a few months before Vega.
In the CPU market, AMD is lucky (well, not really, but, you know) because AMD made better CPUs many times over in history, but rather than trying fairplay, Intel did some of the most anti-competitive you can find. They have bribed more tech companies than they have CPUs worth buying, and that is coming back to them, because AMD is doing really well with Ryzen, and all Intel can do is release the same processors with different clock speeds and higher prices over and over again, plus that many people buy Ryzen simply to not support Intel.
But anyway, whatever happens to Vega, Navi HAS TO be better than Nvidia, it's gonna be a 7nm architecture vs Volta's 10nm. They can't fuck up that bad.
Benchmarking Vega with Doom 4. I see what they did there.
2:12 It is Star Wars Battlefront EA, not 2 haha
But nice video, love you
To make a serious impact, Bega 56 needs to be at least 10% faster and 10% cheaper than a gtx 1070, to actually run 1440p at 100+ fps.
and the comment section already is broken
Brilliant video.
hopefully tomorrow :)
Vega will be a fine wine indeed
Here is my Thing with Vega:
Back in 2016 i decided it is time to throw my GTX670 out of the System!
I am pushing 1440p and...yeah 2GB VRAM aren't doing it and you also need some power to push the resolution itself, so a new card was needed.
I decided pretty early on: "I want power!"
I never really went and grabbed "The best thing you can get for money!", i am more of the "Fast, but reasonable price!",
which is usually the card below the flaggship!
Not this time.
I really wanted the best there is and at the time, we KNEW, that nVidia and AMD both had something prepared.
That was BEFORE AMD said, that Polaris is not going to be high end.
So i waited.
Pascall came and delivered quite the performance and then AMD came and said, that Polaris isn't going to be the GPU, i was hoping for.
In the end, it was a smart move from AMD to tackle the mid- and low-range, because that is what people buy, but not me.
I played with the thought of waiting until Vega, but i wanted something NOW and without a clear launch date for Vega, i went for the 1080!
Now..OVER A YEAR LATER...Vega arrives and besides the price...
I am not really sold on Vega!
Actually i am disappointed.
Took them one year to BARELY catch up, from what we know at the moment?
Not really a great performance.
MSRP of 499 is...okay!
Just "okay"!
Why?
Because you can get 1080's for a similar price here (in germany!), if you search for it.
So in the end, AMD is delivering a product, that doesn't tackle the absolute High-End and instead competes with a card that is over 1 year old already (which is a lot of time in terms of GPU development!).
It will probably get hotter and will drain more power (Seriously AiO AND 2x8-Pin?), despite a new architecture and the better memory?
That is my overall problem with Vega!
For all the time they had...this is a pretty weak performance, especially when you compare it to their Ryzen Launch, which kicked Intel so hard in the nuts, they had to actually DO SOMETHING!
I mean the Core i9 don't happen, because Intel feels like it!
And nVidia?
Seriously, they had 1 year to bring their NEXT generation to the front line.
It isn't there yet, but do you think, they're sleeping?
While AMD was busy "just" catching up, they're preparing the next thiung, that will overthrow everything, AMD has to use for the next year, probably two!
For me, Vega is too little too late!
I am not an nVidia fanboy. I'd GLADLY buy AMD, heck i did, when Ryzen came out, because Ryzen really did it for me, but Vega just looks like something nVidia already did 1 year ago.
All they have to do, is to lower the price of the 1080 by maybe 20 bucks and THADDAAA, they have a product competing with Vega, without having to actually do something!
The bundle and mostly the preformance made me go in to a drunken frenzy and order a 1080 ti (asus strix Oc something). so if they have been sandbaging they just sandbaged them selfs out of a sale.
Amd is doing nicely lately.
now that i see this, somehow a question comes to my mind:
would it be profitable for gpu producers to start constructing gpu's for bitcoin miners?
I wanted a Vega card, but with all the delays i couldn't. They are releasing Vega when my summer vacation has almost ended. What a shame tbh. I went for a GTX 1080 instead.
I'm just going to say again that I personally don't think pixel resolution is massively important, especially with the awesomeness that is TSAA (Temporal Supersample Anti Aliasing). What I want is more resolution in time, that is: framerate. So if amd wants to really impress me, show a modern game running at 400, 500, 1000 fps. I want framerate removed from the latency equation, but a simple constant of 1ms would be alright too.
Is HBM2 memory significantly better than GDDR5x? ~2 years ago I thought that would be a game changer for AMD.
Xenon 93 It's more expensive that's for sure but what you are referencing 2 years ago is HBM1 memory not HBM2.
Does the higher wattage requirement make sense because they push the cards harder in the future? EDIT: Does the software update push the hardware harder? I have no experience with AMD graphics cards.
To make it wine software it has to have the right hardware to expand into, right? It is a smart move for people who often play the long con.
I'm sure AMD will sell fine and be great for the budget market but it's not looking like they'll ever be able to take the enthusiast market.
Blah blah blah blah, Nvidia fanboy, blah blah.
I don't think AMD's going to be able to compete with Nvidia's high, high end GPU's, but same performance as 1080 for a lower price can be an amazing deal. Especially considering Vega uses HBM2 memory and has full and proper DX12 support, as well as better maturing drivers, which in the long run could possibly make a significant difference between the two.
Top end enthusiasts will still most probably be buying 1080ti, but High end budget gamers will have a fine selection with 1070, 1080's and Vega GPU's.
AMD's been absolutely demolishing Intel as of late, but I don't think they will be able to compare to Nvidia, at least not this generation.
Let's hope Ryzen's massive success brings AMD enough money so they can widen their R&D department and bring give us a proper competition on both fronts.
And for the record, I own both, I like both. I don't hate either side, just buying what the best I can for the money I have.
good point
Amd just wants to target a very specific demographic. They never meant to compete with 1080ti. They were focusing on providing a more stable gaming experience. If people have loads of money, they'll obviously throw them at companies whenever new stuff comes out. Just like some iphone users buy a new iphone every year. But people who think long term and don't want to spend too much for just gaming, will prefer hardware that will last them a while. Not necessarily with top performance. But stable and reasonable performance at a mid-range price. Because 240 fps doesn't mean shit when you have a monitor that can only go upto 140 or something. If amd can utilise vulkan and dx12, the future looks bright; Not for companies, but for us consumers.
"They never meant to compete with 1080ti"
That's the stupidest thing I've heard all day.
AMD's end goal is to compete with Nvidia and Intel in every price segment, such that they can maximize their profit - any company that sells something and has competitors is striving to do this.
AMD simply failed to meet expectations with Vega, I don't get why you're covering up for them.
Why dont you make a video about that new exploit that was found?
Tempting as those Vega packs are, I'll wait for the partner cards with overclocks and better coolers.
well, if rapid packed math, tiled based rasterization and dx12/vulkan is used we can only expect vega to be super fast. But right now is so disappointing how is even worse than the fury x in IPC at the same MHz
I read NaVi and cry about GuardiaN :(
first vega, then navi? Whats next? Gambit?
I don't agree with the way you read that graph. I mean that the "2017" text is put in the middle of the year. But w/e, it's just a youtube video after all :p
AMD fine wine has not let me down yet... Ok... its crazy that they can't get their driver team the resources they need - but its David Vs. 2 Goliaths
spoonikle people overhype the poor amd thing, common its a company like all other company. The only reason they couldn't compete with the "2 goliaths" is because their products were inferior. It's the business no supe hero to lower the price existing
I'm happy I got wrong mobo and has board with crossfire
I like Nvidia better but i dont hate amd im glad they are finally catching up competition makes things better
is this vega from doom?
new gens begins
i dont care what company anyone chooses, i just care aboput the price being right for me with the things that i want.
i need something to compete with a 1080ti since thats what im in the market for currently, i need a vega 64 ti ;) to fuck over nvinida and bring the prices way down/
imagine if amd uses vega core from doom for their release of rx vega
are we not going to talk about how its named after celestia
"no bad card only a bad price", is only true for us the consumer. If you look from the perspective of profitability for the business, both AMD and nvidia have had a their fair share of bad cards over their storied histories.
did anyone catch the screen tearing at 3:20? lolol vega
co co cool
This video is like asmr to me. Is this healthy?
Gamers Nexus content
The AMD pro something has TWO TERRABYTES OF VRAM
waiting for navi
Vega isn't gonna have an impact on the GPU market like Ryzen had on the CPU market, sadly. I am still hoping for them and want AMD to have success, but Vega is just a real let down as it seems.
Im using rx580 8g.........it's good but i wana buy vega and i dont have money right now
So much unused raw power in the Vega GPUs, just like it was with the Fury lineup. If it stays like this, Vega looks... okay at best.
Man battlefront is such a super easy game to run though, my old computer from 7 years ago can play battlefront at max settings... kinda a waste to try to show vega on that game. Should have used a better game....
0:16
10 series, not 1000
2kliksphilip Probably yes
'Poor Volta' lol
Can't even compete with pascal
Wait what...Cream event? The fuck were they really doing there
Theyve had like 5 of them now
Vega launches the same day my milk expires
Some Weeb That's a bad omen XD
Me and my 770
I've got a 745 send help please
Vega is kinda disappointing. I feel like Vega is a preparation for Navi but hey, I could be wrong.
If you've been waiting for Vega, you might as well wait for Volta. Fuck AMD and their late release.
Wo
i dont think vega will not beat pascal in price to performance but if it does, cool.
The lowest end VEGA card seems to be where it is at, with barely better mining abilities than an RX580 and a higher TDP it's unlikely miners will want them, and with Freesync it should bring some competition to the GTX1070-1080 area.
Let's just hope VEGA can do something!
undesirable hardware is my favorite
Where did you get the info on mining?
375w running 24/7 is actually closer to $60 per MONTH with the rates i have here. maybe high 40's in the US.
i'm reluctant to buy vega cards... i want a more powerful freesync-enabled card so i don't have much choice, but damn... maybe i should just get another rx480 (if i can ever buy one again) and wait for navi
A quick math lesson on how to calculate electricity costs so that people don't argue over how much it costs :)
1) Find how much power is being used (375 W is the best estimate for now)
2) Find how much you pay for electricity per kW/h (average is around $0.10 per kW/h in the US)
Take that electricity cost per kW/h, divide by 1000, multiply by the amount of power being used, and multiply by the number of hours that much power is being used.
0.1 /1000, * 375 * 12 * 365
running a graphics card consuming 375 W for 12 hours each day for a year, for example, will cost you $164.25 if you pay $0.1 for kW/h
For most people the figure will be less because 12 hours of full utilization each day is higher than normal.
i know no one uses a card at full load 24/7 all month. a more realistic regular scenario if you're not mining it's safe to assume 1/8 of that cost per month at most.
but i do mine with my pc whenever i'm not actively using the processing power (no reason not to), so i care :P
Really looking forward to seeing how the RX Vega 56 will perform in reviews.
I want vega 64 though
undervolting will probably work well for the vega 56
I am building a new ryzen pc and now waiting on vega 56
ea09 mad novideo fanboy
Cristian Gabriel Capatina Man, you AMD fanboys are unbearable.
Potato>computer
not a real user name lel
not a real user name potato can be used to make chips
gordon good meme
Dank memes
gordon or power a clock
3:53 Are you saying AMD is going to release an optimized driver on release date? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
jkjk, I wish AMD the best of luck
2kliksphilip are you saying amd delayed the launch of vega to make good drivers? I highly doubt that because AMD doesnt really care about good driver support on launch
I have to agree, the 480 and Ryzen launches would have been much better if the drivers were good.
damn released nine minutes ago and nine dislikes.
People should finish watching the video before disliking -_-
CrayTex just like hey should wait before liking it.
But when people like ot so fast it is t the problem smh
CrayTex who cares, if it was a problem then something about it would have been changed about it already
I don't care about the gpus, let's talk about the wine
What is all this hate?
Novideo fanboys?
Edit: What I meant is when I clicked on the video there were more dislikes than likes.
Edit 2: And no, I don't hate neither Novideo nor AyyyyyyyMD, I just prefer AMD.
Until you own a 280x you don't know what novideo input really means. If you've never owned one, after 2 years all 3 of the 280x's in my friend group stopped working within months of eachother. Mine went first, starting with some light artifacting, purple trees in farcry 4, GTA V crashes, and not a month later it refused to boot. Ofcourse this was like 2 months after the 2 year warranty stopped. AMD is just as bad as Nvidia, planned obsolescence much.
I have a feeling this comment will have 50 replies by tomorrow
What I meant is when I clicked on the video there were more dislikes than likes.
I still have bot hd7970 and gtx780. Both working and 7970 performing better than the gtx780. And 7970 is running at 1.27volt with modded gddr5 straps. Still rolling.
Ahmed Ghailani By Vega being shit you mean not as good as a 1080ti because saying what you just said makes no sense. Vega is still a good card so stfu.
Hello, I AM VEGA, the sentient intelligence assigned to Mars. After running diagnostics on your Praetor Suit, it appears that I can activate optional challenges that, when completed, will assist in upgrading your arsenal at an accelerated pace.
The AMD fanboys Vega denial is on another level. Never seen anything like it, including back in the Bulldozer days.
Fanboys on both sides kill discussion and rational analysis before it can even begin. Very sad. Top tip to them, don't identify with any company!
Release day is gonna be tough for poor /r/amd
Agreed. It's been absolutely insane,
I don't get why people fanboy for either side, you are an idiot on either side if you do
Vega 64 is 1080 performance, at 1080 price, more power draw, and one year after the 1080.
I like watching pre launch videos of a product that flopped. Maybe next time ayymd.
Philip pls stop disliking your own videos
kliksphilip video longer than 10 minutes??? :O
Yes daddy
It's like a war for people, in between which company they pick to provide them their hardware. It's as if people believe there is something noble to sticking with a company despite ups and downs. The companies don't give a shit if you decide to stay "loyal" because there will always be someone out there that will take your spot. We're in a capitalistic society, you fuck up-you fall; and rightfully so. You shouldn't grow an attachment to a company because that causes problems and disputes. Just use whatever is working better for a better price, leave the friendship shit behind. This isn't fucking teletubbies.
I just found it kind of funny this video has presentations of Doom and Battlefront 2. If you're eyes were closed you could mistake it with a different time period.
Oh boy, wait till you find out what happens in the future.
Oh boy, this comment aged so well.
ohhhh boy, this comment aged so fantasticaly
ohhhh boy, this comment aged so fantasticaly
@Rafael Sá Fortes I regret saying this
2:36 Those people who gave me all that stick for making my concerns known are not looking too clever now are they
As for Perf/Watt, Vega is even worse than Polaris.
So... from everything I've heard is showing Vega isn't all it's cracked up to be.
Philip, 2 months have been pass since RX Vega launch. Make a new video already... Please 😅
if you take the year number to be the center of the year, polaris came out early and vega is extremely close
Competition is healthy for us consumers and it's good that AMD started to be competitive, but AMD is really late with Vega. I mean Nvidia is just around a corner with Volta.
1:18 the 560 is slower than the GTX 1050 Ti.
And they were disappointing.
i have no idea what to comment
same tbh
aGreatUsername Then dont moron
you can always coment how much of a piece of shit Vega is
I can't speak for others but I don't have any love for AMD.... But, I HATE Nvidia with a firey passion! Nvidia are almost as anti consumer as intel, they outright lie about their products and use their money through GameWorks to stifel competition by having developers code in a way that makes their cards look better than they are by gimping AMD (and their own older cards).
Many Nvidia fanboys like to cry that DOOM is an "AMD" optimised game it is NOT; it's just not coded like garbage and taking Nvidia money to put pointless amounts of tessallation in the code.
When you get games like DOOM that are coded efficiently AMD cards take Nvidia cards to the cleaners!
P.S. Nvidia also LIE about their cards power usage! They take the usage from the base clock of the card which you CANNOT run the card at without flashing the BIOS and voiding your warrenty!
Yet all their performance charts are taken from the BOOST clock!
Nvidiots
Liquid Cooled Vega@1677Mhz will give me roughly 35% to 45% improvement in 1440p Ultra compared to my R9 Fury@1000mhz in games, this is not bad at all and this is based on current performance figures. When DSBR is enabled and an overclock on the HBM2 to over 1000Mhz from 945Mhz i'll see even more gains. Factor in Vega's Super FineWine Tech underneath the hood which includes massive FP16 performance numbers in games like Wolfeinstein 2 and Farcry 5 its looking really good, honestly the 1080 (performance already maxed)doesn't stand a chance against Vega (Tons of optimisation potential) in the future. Just buy a nice 750watt PSU + cause you would just be asking for trouble if its less than that.