I think that if you are the best at your job you deserve the best pay, if you are good enough you deserve good enough, idk why these QBs have so much leverage, it shouldn’t be simple they get what they deserve, tua deserves like 50 mil at best
@@Zeus-vi5zk idk how you don't understand why the have so much leverage. They're the most important position on the field lol. Not a single team with a bad QB has won a superbowl since Trent Dilfer.
I understand paying these players money. How about give any QB 25 million guaranteed and if they want to get paid $50, give him $25 million in incentives. Make them earn the other so it's not such a big cap. Hit if they don't play well
With Mike calling plays and the best Wr duo in the league , paying Tua what he expects would be a franchise killer and this team would never make it to the super bowl.
So explain why he went 8-5 his rookie season without Hill or Waddle…. Dolphins went 10-6 and still missed the playoffs because of how competitive that season was. Where’s Jakeem Grant, Devante, Parker, and Mike Gesicki at now…… he had one of the worst offensive lines that season too. The thing that really gets me is when people talk about injuries. It’s crazy because Joe Burrow actually has missed more games than him at this point in their careers. Also, no one talks about the Chiefs Dolphins playoff game and how we were missing six starters, and four of them were on defense, as if it has no impact on the game at all. But when Travis Kelce misses a game and the Chiefs loose everyone accepts the fact that they lost because travis Kelce didn’t play. The biases surrounding the NFL are crazy along with the stupid narratives. Keep the same energy with every team
@@Phinaddict305tag me. you being nice plus Mikerophone don't know shiy about what he's talking.. im start with Mike 1. tua was put in the worse situation as anyone in his draft class, no oline, Wr that aren't even the league no more, plus a head coach that hates him, coming off what should've been a career ending injury went 6-3 his rookie year, since being on the dolphins have brought them 4 straight winning seasons, their record without tua is abysmal, while media and people like Mike has downplayed what hes been through and how's he gotten better every season since being drafted, people dont talk about how herbert has gotten worse every year or his losing record as starter, or how burrow has been more injury prone than Tua. 2. every QB has a elite Wr or defense, but ever since Tua got reek and is on even ground with peers it's not because he has weapons, let see when reek got to the dolphins it was said he wouldn't accomplish nothing tua wouldn't be able to get him the ball and he would be requesting a trade halfway through the season.. since having Tua as his QB he's has amassed career best as Wr more yards he ever had with mahomes, and get this his first year alone he put 1700 & waddle 1300 while tua missed 5 games, Tua the past 2 years have been in the Mvp conversations but were trying to paint him as mid. has been a top 5 QB in every Qb category and in most cases he's been #1. 3. is tua perfect no.. no QB is, if mahomes wasn't was andy Reid he wouldn't be as great as he has been, Tua has been better than Trevor Lawrence but were ok with T law resetting the Qb market. 4. while playing in a tough division and playing 3 great defense, bills, Pats & jets, tua is undefeated vs the Patriots & Jets, while the bills have been their only issue.. which you can also point to the defense not showing up to play as well it bigger than just Tua. 5. Mike & Jared saying the dolphins wouldn't win a SB with tua or giving him the highest qb contract for the time being would kill this franchise shows both don't know ball.. but hey time for tua kill more Narratives while his haters move the goal post like always.. if dolphins don't pay him & he goes on to win the afc division and goes far into the playoffs let alone the SB. yall do understand the prices goes up & it goes up more than you can imagine
@@dashawnjean3604Burrow had the worst line and worse situation. He's been sacked more than any one. He's been hit the most. Torn ACL and wrist injury.
@@Phinaddict305Baker Mayfield has 2 playoff wins in 4 appearances. Averaging over 280 pass yards per game and 10 TD pases. Tua can't beat out a mid level QB. He sucks in the playoffs.
The problem was paying Daniel Jones 45 mil the giants caused a serious problem the NFL really needs to put a stop to this the QB market is going up way to fast and is not keeping up with the salary cap
@@tito_6158 the Lawrence is really a prove it deal it's actually a really good contract the jags pick up the 5th and gave alot of incentives to earn that money the reason the dolphins cant is because tua is already on his 5th
Yea, but on the other hand, just because one team does something stupid doesn't mean everyone else is obligated to follow suit. If my neighbor pays $100 million for a Toyota, that doesn't mean I'm suddenly placing a higher market value on Toyotas.
Daniel joins gets cut after this year. His deal has a soft way out. Jalen Hurts could be the only veteran QB in the NFC East in 26. Then the Eagles will be at a supreme disadvantage with Jalen hitting higher and higher cap hits. I say draft a QB first round ride his contract if things look good franchise tag him one year but then let them go and draft another. Smaller market MLB teams do this with pitchers.
Idk isn't Mahomes not even making 50m a year? They shouldn't be asking more than him if they can't beat him. That's why they all lose Mahomes keeps taking pay cuts but no other QB is.
@@zion9247 Negative. There’s another qb taking pay cuts for his team but the others literally just got their contracts so who know what they will do regardless Mahomes is not the only one.
The forerunner of this was how Brady handled contract negotiations with the Patriots. His thinking led to the all the Super Bowl rings, becoming the GOAT, and building over a half billion $ net worth. Brock Purdy just might take this approach in his contact negotiations next year. He is well grounded and thinks long term. If I’m right, and if Purdy stays healthy, the Niners will be very good for the next 10-15 years.
Average fans don’t understand pre snap reads and the processing component of the game. It’s the same reason people keep thinking Lamar is an MVP, and Purdy and Tua are mid. People said all the same stuff about Brady through his first five years. “Game manager on an amazing team”, etc. Any QB who can have a 2:1 TD:INT with over 4500 yards is a stud. There is no system that makes that unimpressive.
@@vinnievinnie-sj5kr I don't like comparing playoff records in this case to say one guy is better than the other and here is why. Tlaw's playoff victory came at home against one of the worst coached teams in recent memory in a game where he threw 4 interceptions. Tua's playoff loss that wasn't even close was also on the road against Patrick Mahomes. And it would be absurd to use losing on the road against Mahomes in the playoffs as the reason Miami shouldn't pay Tua similar money to Tlaw because Tlaw wouldn't win that game either
The owners are looking into making the QB's contract seperate from the salary cap. If they are heading towards 60 mil per season then that would be the smart move
i dont think there should be a seperate salary cap. a qb can either choose to take more money and either risk being let go by their team or end up with no supporting cast and risk catastrophic injuries or take less, have more supporting cast, more superbowl wins, more endorsements. the nfl is already protecting qbs. what more do they want? i feel the salary cap is what keep the nfl competitive. if peyton manning wanted 100m you either pay him and let him play with no support, or let him go. but with no qb salary cap u can keep your star qb with no reprocussions.
So the NFL will reward teams that made crappy QB deals and punish teams that did not. Its gonna be a hard no for many owners. Those type of rule changes require a super majority vote.
No drama in Miami folks. Tua will be in Miami, if the franchise wants him to be there, for at least the next year on the rookie contract and possibly the next 3 with a franchise tag. No real pressure to get the deal done.
As a huge dolphins fan I’m annoyed they didn’t do it as the season ended with felt like this was gonna be a problem, I wanted him to be paid first so everyone else can over pay everyone else
Don't think they needed to do it when the season ended, although they probably could have gotten a better deal. However, they should have done it before all the other QBs started signing. Just bad business strategy!
I am a dolphin fan too, but it will be hard to pay him that much for a guy that has only played one full season and you would lose the ability to pay for good oline man because Tua is taking up almost a quarter of the salary cap.
@@freedom4all219 Tua is NOT taking up a quarter of the salary cap. This is the problem with this whole story... he will NEVER get 55 million (or whatever) in a year. In the first year, he would be around 9% of the salary cap, and at no point would he ever be more than 16%. It's not ACTUALLY 55 million a year.
@@cnelsonlv99 name one clutch situation in which Tuna has actually delivered. Couldn't get to FG range against the Titans which was great, thanks for our 4th division title salty boy. Also think of where he was before they got Tyreek, McDaniel, and all the offensive weapons. I hope your GM is as delusional as yoiu and pays him big, doom the franchise for years.
@@cnelsonlv99is this a metrics game or a win/loss sport? Asking for a friend. I’ve been a KC guy all my life. Good and bad. Brodie Croyle. Look him up.
i love tua. all im saying is that we won a game without tyreek waddle stepped up and did what we knew he could do but every game without tua we lost except one game
Dolphins fan here; I really like Tua, and I believe he’s an excellent quarterback that can still grow. If I’m Miami, given everything, I would sign him to a longer contract. 6-7 years would put Tua in at 12 years in the league. $400-420m over that timeframe with the first 3 years being fully guaranteed in the event of an injury. After 3, it’s just becomes guaranteed money for a year if he’s injured.
Tua's biggest issue is that we haven't had an OLine crack the top HALF much less Top Ten of the league in TWENTY YEARS. Tua took ju-jitsu classes so he could learn "how to fall", he was THAT SHOOK. Ryan Tannehill was the most sacked QB in the league TWO YEARS IN A ROW while he was here, we crippled him both developmentally and physically. He then moved to Tennesee and brought them to the Conference Finals coming in ~one-third through the season. OLine>QB>Defense... THEN you can focus on the rest of your team!
Mikerophone NFL, will you be doing predictions for each division? If so some follow-ups when the playoffs come around to see how your predictions played out?
The dolphins have a bottom 5 oline, and McDaniel schemes the offense to get the ball out quickly to hide the bad oline play. Tua has one of the fastest releases in the NFL, and is perfect for this system. No chance they move on
These kinds of problems are exactly why NFL teams should develop players in developmental leagues. They could just pay the QB salary of a guy in the UFL, have him develop so he's ready for the NFL. It's actually cheaper in the long run.
The NFL desperately needs a legitimate developmental league. It’s about to really find that out with the shakeout of college football. With that in mind I would go so far as to say that it should be concurrent league so that the NFL can use it the same way that the NBA does the G-League and the NHL does the AHL.
Players can take only so many hits. You'll wear out the players in a developmental league. If they're not good enough, they're not good enough. College football is the developmental league. Hits aren't as hard compared to the pros.
Miami was never ready to trade multiple picks and Tua for Watson. That was nonsense spread by Flores, and he never had the keys. Miami didnt even make a play for Watson when he became available, and nothing has changed in Miami. It was just another example of how BFlo tried to sabotage Tua's career.
Based on performance, NO player in the NFL should make more money than Patrick Mahomes. The notion that EVERY time a QB gets a contract it needs to reset the market is stupid and unsustainable. Here's the problem. If your QB isn't as good as Mahomes but makes more than him, you are going to be at a financial disadvantage to the NFL's current dynasty. The way to overcome that is to draft really well, but the problem there is the Chiefs draft really well, so you'll have to outdraft the Chiefs every year, which is possible, but since the Chiefs are really good at it, the margin for error is slim. The problem is, you have to do that just to close the gap from overpaying your QB. The absurdity of QB contracts right now makes having a QB on a rookie QB is a cheat code because you can stack the roster when your QB is cheap which makes drafting a QB instead of overpaying a veteran an attractive option, especially if you haven't been able to beat the Chiefs with a QB who has been on his rookie contract. Mahomes is good enough to overcome losing players like Tyreek Hill and win back to back Superbowls without him. I have doubts that Tua could thrive the same way without Hill and/or Waddle.
As a life long Dolphins fan he isn’t worth that money. He’s not a Super Bowl contending Quarterback he’s average at best. It’s time to look for a replacement.
Who are we getting that’s going to be a better option. If he’s not good explain why he went 8-5 his rookie season without Hill or Waddle…. Dolphins went 10-6 and still missed the playoffs because of how competitive that season was. Where’s Jakeem Grant, Devante, Parker, and Mike Gesicki at now…… he had one of the worst offensive lines that season too. The thing that really gets me is when people talk about injuries. It’s crazy because Joe Burrow actually has missed more games than him at this point in their careers. Also, no one talks about the Chiefs Dolphins playoff game and how we were missing six starters, and four of them were on defense, as if it has no impact on the game at all. But when Travis Kelce misses a game and the Chiefs loose everyone accepts the fact that they lost because travis Kelce didn’t play. The biases surrounding the NFL are crazy along with the stupid narratives. Keep the same energy with every team
This is what’s more insane to me. The NFL has basically decided we are not gonna pay running backs a lot of money. The absolute best running back in the league, Christian McCaffrey gets $16 million of season. Justin Jefferson just signed for $35 million a season And think about it even Jalen waddle got 25 million a season on his extension. Christian McCaffrey touches the ball more than any of those guys, his combined rushing and receiving yards are more than any of those guys and he has way more touchdowns than any of those guys and you have 16 million versus 25+ million for a call in some cases, number two receiver
I think due to the speed of the team and the success Tua had in that system he is able to process the game quickly like that of Brock Purdy. I feel like if their roles were to switch they would both have success in their new systems
I agree that the line has to be drawn in the sand somewhere and these qb’s can’t just keep demanding more money. The question I have is why Tua gets so much blame for the playoff loss to KC when 6 defensive starters were out against the Chiefs? It’s a team sport right?🤔 I think that I would use the franchise tag on him.
I'm a giants fan so I'm completely biased with this question. Is DJ overpaid. Now a mid-level salary with an out after this season. The cowboys might be giving Dak 65 if they keep sitting on their hands
It's obvious that Tua did benefit from Mike McDaniel's offense system and has 2 elite receivers. Not to mention Dolphins had one of best running game as well. Patrick Mahomes, Joe Burrow, or even Josh Allen would put up 6k passing yards 50 tds if they play for McDaniel that has 2 elite receivers and strong running game.
This is how the NFL ensures that few dynasties like '70s Steelers or pre-Jerry Cowboys will occur. A hard salary cap& QB using a ridiculous % of cap means it's the rookie deal true franchise QBs with a talented supporting team win SBs. Occasionally, a GOAT QB comes along with a genius HC come along - Montana-Walsh, Brady-Bill & prob Mahomes-Reid. Yes, IMO Bill B was equally important in Pats run as Brady; Pats D kept or brought Pats back in game for Brady to finish. Brady didn't: contain the "Greatest Show on Turf;" strip sack Matt Ryan; intercept Russ Wilson; or hold LA Rams to 3 points in the SB.
What I think they should do is give him an option a 500 mil deal where the first 3 years it's guaranteed he gets 100 mill in the first 3 years and with the excess cap space we pick up more guys for the DL and OL and by year 4 win us a SB and then you split up the 400 in 7 years giving him almost 58 mil a year making him the wealthiest QB in the league a top of Patrick
Let him test the market. No one is gonna give him that kind of massive contract. When he comes back with his tail between his legs, sign him at $40-45M per year (which is still friggin insane).
its easy for people to say oh its the system but if it was really that easy then so many teams wouldnt be drafting qbs yearly lol tua is one of the top guys in the league and worth the money when u find a guy that is working u dont mess around with that u dont take that for granted or it will bite u and ur team ends up looking for a new guy the next decade+ lol
TBH I wish sports would go back to the old days and not tell you player contracts. judge the player on his merits not his contract. Also in general most people are selfish when they say they are a team player. I get it , you have to get yours when you can but its also that attitude that makes it hard for teams to keep good players and build a team. Cant pay everyone.
QB salaries are far out of control. Base their salary on a percentage of the salary cap. Currently if you are the starter long enough you will get top money. Whether you deserve it or not. Instead base salary increases on performance. So much for wins and losses during the season. How deep in the playoffs, Super Bowl win or loss etc. if this keeps up the other players on the teams are going to strike again. The majority of the pie is three or four studs and whatever left over for the others.
Making the New York Jets sound like a threat to insult Tua is insane work. As a Jets fan... I'd rather have Tua than a QB that couldn't win with an all star team in GB.
The same case could be made for Brock or Dak, Brock can run a lil but hes not as clutch or as accurate as Tua, Dak is more mobile than Tua but he's not as good under pressure or against good teams. All three of them are basically Jared Goffs in different variations. I'd put any of them at between 45 - 50 million if I'm being honest, and Tua's concussions worry me alot I'd probably give him a highish short contract 3 years lots of guaranteed money with a 4th year option I'd want the lowest cap hit I can possibly get, I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't end up as a Antonio Brown/Junior Seau situation.
NE could be disruptive this year-the offense is definitely in rebuilding mode, but Jacoby Brissett can win some games, and the defense is in great shape with the return of Gonzales and Judon. Tua could have real problems with that defense especially when it gets cold.
If Goff is making 53M a year, Tua should make around that much. The argument of "Tua's only that good because of the team around him" is so dumb because you can say that about guys like Burrow, who had Higgins/Chase/Boyd/Mixon, as well as Goff, who has a top 3 O-Line, Amon-Ra, and LaPorta. We also saw Goff's previous head coach Sean McVay give up an extra 1st round pick TO GET RID OF HIM. No matter how bad people think Tua may be, it's never gotten to a point where his coach thinks that lowly of him where they'd have to give an extra 1st rounder to dump him. It seems people are penalizing Tua and using the "He's only good because of the team around him" narrative because they saw him look bad when he was playing behind a bottom 3 OL and throwing to Devante Parker, Jakeem Grant, and Albert Wilson. I'm sure if guys like Goff, Lawrence, or Burrow were in that situation, they would also look mid. Personally, prior to free agency I was thinking Tua should be paid around 45M a year, but I also thought he'd deserve that amount of money because Lawrence and Goff would be paid around there. But since Goff is making 53M, market value would be that Tua gets paid around the same. If my Dolphins decide they don't want to make the same mistake the Lions did though, I'd understand.
If you think of most current QBs with Brady being a big exception since he never had amazing OL or weapons, they are all unfairly over or under hyped by supporting cast.
@@AlexxTehGreat For sure. I just don't know why people hype up the talent of guys like Burrow for playing with stacked weapons, but then say Tua is just a product of his weapons. How come Burrow isn't regarded as a product of his weapons?
Tua is good when he's not bad. He's too inconsistent. Last season I saw him throw some passes which made no sense. I found myself asking "who was that supposed to be to?" I wonder if his concussion issues are still hindering his performance. I had really high hopes at first when he signed with the Phins but now I'm not so sure.
Thinking QB'S salaries are out of control, which they are and that the owners are going to put a max on QB salary. It's obscene how much they make now when teams need to address other positions. Greed
Bruh he is still under contract and he could be placed on the franchise tag anyways the following year. Why get crazy with the contract rn with the qb market as it is LOL
Let's assume they move on from Tua and draft a QB they will probably be picking past the 20th pick in the draft. It's not like they'll get the next Tua or Lawrence. To move on you want a top 3 pick
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Eventually teams gotta say "Nah..we ain't doing this crazy shit"
Miami could be first 🙏
As long as salary cap keeps increasing salaries will keep increasing and in turn tickets, merch, etc will raise in price. :/
Jerry Jones?
What if Jerry Jones refuses to pay Dak, Then goes from winning 12 games a year to winning six games a year?
@@ryanjones875 they got Trey lance for a reason
This pattern of paying whichever qb is up for renegotiation the highest is stupid.
I think that if you are the best at your job you deserve the best pay, if you are good enough you deserve good enough, idk why these QBs have so much leverage, it shouldn’t be simple they get what they deserve, tua deserves like 50 mil at best
Agreed. To pay him more than Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, Lamar is insane. He's not even close to 'That dude'.
@@Zeus-vi5zk idk how you don't understand why the have so much leverage. They're the most important position on the field lol. Not a single team with a bad QB has won a superbowl since Trent Dilfer.
@@thedeleted1337 The Eagles won a Super Bowl with Nick Foles, who promptly faded to obscurity after lol
I understand paying these players money. How about give any QB 25 million guaranteed and if they want to get paid $50, give him $25 million in incentives. Make them earn the other so it's not such a big cap. Hit if they don't play well
Tua is entering his villain arc, THE HAWK TUAH
You stupid 😂😂
Seattle: *rubs hands together*
😭😭
Just shut up
He was not having it in a recent interview, this is the best shot my dolphins have at a super bowl win in my lifetime! In tua we trust🙏🙏🙏
With Mike calling plays and the best Wr duo in the league , paying Tua what he expects would be a franchise killer and this team would never make it to the super bowl.
So explain why he went 8-5 his rookie season without Hill or Waddle…. Dolphins went 10-6 and still missed the playoffs because of how competitive that season was. Where’s Jakeem Grant, Devante, Parker, and Mike Gesicki at now…… he had one of the worst offensive lines that season too. The thing that really gets me is when people talk about injuries. It’s crazy because Joe Burrow actually has missed more games than him at this point in their careers. Also, no one talks about the Chiefs Dolphins playoff game and how we were missing six starters, and four of them were on defense, as if it has no impact on the game at all. But when Travis Kelce misses a game and the Chiefs loose everyone accepts the fact that they lost because travis Kelce didn’t play. The biases surrounding the NFL are crazy along with the stupid narratives. Keep the same energy with every team
@@Phinaddict305 spittin
@@Phinaddict305tag me. you being nice plus Mikerophone don't know shiy about what he's talking.. im start with Mike 1. tua was put in the worse situation as anyone in his draft class, no oline, Wr that aren't even the league no more, plus a head coach that hates him, coming off what should've been a career ending injury went 6-3 his rookie year, since being on the dolphins have brought them 4 straight winning seasons, their record without tua is abysmal, while media and people like Mike has downplayed what hes been through and how's he gotten better every season since being drafted, people dont talk about how herbert has gotten worse every year or his losing record as starter, or how burrow has been more injury prone than Tua. 2. every QB has a elite Wr or defense, but ever since Tua got reek and is on even ground with peers it's not because he has weapons, let see when reek got to the dolphins it was said he wouldn't accomplish nothing tua wouldn't be able to get him the ball and he would be requesting a trade halfway through the season.. since having Tua as his QB he's has amassed career best as Wr more yards he ever had with mahomes, and get this his first year alone he put 1700 & waddle 1300 while tua missed 5 games, Tua the past 2 years have been in the Mvp conversations but were trying to paint him as mid. has been a top 5 QB in every Qb category and in most cases he's been #1. 3. is tua perfect no.. no QB is, if mahomes wasn't was andy Reid he wouldn't be as great as he has been, Tua has been better than Trevor Lawrence but were ok with T law resetting the Qb market. 4. while playing in a tough division and playing 3 great defense, bills, Pats & jets, tua is undefeated vs the Patriots & Jets, while the bills have been their only issue.. which you can also point to the defense not showing up to play as well it bigger than just Tua. 5. Mike & Jared saying the dolphins wouldn't win a SB with tua or giving him the highest qb contract for the time being would kill this franchise shows both don't know ball.. but hey time for tua kill more Narratives while his haters move the goal post like always.. if dolphins don't pay him & he goes on to win the afc division and goes far into the playoffs let alone the SB. yall do understand the prices goes up & it goes up more than you can imagine
@@dashawnjean3604Burrow had the worst line and worse situation. He's been sacked more than any one. He's been hit the most. Torn ACL and wrist injury.
@@Phinaddict305Baker Mayfield has 2 playoff wins in 4 appearances. Averaging over 280 pass yards per game and 10 TD pases. Tua can't beat out a mid level QB. He sucks in the playoffs.
The problem was paying Daniel Jones 45 mil the giants caused a serious problem the NFL really needs to put a stop to this the QB market is going up way to fast and is not keeping up with the salary cap
I think the Daniel jones and Deshaun hell maybe even Lawerence contract didn’t help at all
@@tito_6158 the Lawrence is really a prove it deal it's actually a really good contract the jags pick up the 5th and gave alot of incentives to earn that money the reason the dolphins cant is because tua is already on his 5th
Cat's already outta the bag. Giants set a terrible standard. Any QB better than Jones, which is a lot, will not settle for less than 45/year.
Yea, but on the other hand, just because one team does something stupid doesn't mean everyone else is obligated to follow suit. If my neighbor pays $100 million for a Toyota, that doesn't mean I'm suddenly placing a higher market value on Toyotas.
Daniel joins gets cut after this year. His deal has a soft way out. Jalen Hurts could be the only veteran QB in the NFC East in 26. Then the Eagles will be at a supreme disadvantage with Jalen hitting higher and higher cap hits. I say draft a QB first round ride his contract if things look good franchise tag him one year but then let them go and draft another. Smaller market MLB teams do this with pitchers.
The biggest problem is NONE of the other QB's are worth $50 million.
Idk isn't Mahomes not even making 50m a year? They shouldn't be asking more than him if they can't beat him. That's why they all lose Mahomes keeps taking pay cuts but no other QB is.
@@zion9247 Negative. There’s another qb taking pay cuts for his team but the others literally just got their contracts so who know what they will do regardless Mahomes is not the only one.
@@zion9247And Brady did the say thing and he won Super Bowls too. Is there a pattern here?
Tua on the Seahawks = Hawk Tua
I love that Google has a "Translate to English" option under this comment
I'm so glad u picked up on this
OBVIOUSLY Tua isn't getting traded to the Seahawks or anywhere else. Mike is just the stupidest sports TH-camr there is!
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he’s not worth that much money
Trevor Lawrence got 55 million. By that metric, Tua should get 60+ million
None of those quarterbacks are if you ask me, but that is the market.
I know but it's the market. Mid QBs 1 uping each other.
@@jlkad98Tua threw for 4600 yards last season, would hardly call him mid...
@@thewalkingjed4893are u dumb listen to the video
The forerunner of this was how Brady handled contract negotiations with the Patriots. His thinking led to the all the Super Bowl rings, becoming the GOAT, and building over a half billion $ net worth. Brock Purdy just might take this approach in his contact negotiations next year. He is well grounded and thinks long term. If I’m right, and if Purdy stays healthy, the Niners will be very good for the next 10-15 years.
Average fans don’t understand pre snap reads and the processing component of the game. It’s the same reason people keep thinking Lamar is an MVP, and Purdy and Tua are mid. People said all the same stuff about Brady through his first five years. “Game manager on an amazing team”, etc. Any QB who can have a 2:1 TD:INT with over 4500 yards is a stud. There is no system that makes that unimpressive.
What you fail to acknowledge is that most of Tuas stud moments came from playing trash teams
tua asking for that much money is criminal.
Then how do you explain paying him less than Trevor Lawrence.
@@nathanielperryii296Trevor is arguably better than him🤣
@@nathanielperryii296tlaw has already won a playoff game tua hasn’t even been close
@@nathanielperryii296ur just dumb
@@vinnievinnie-sj5kr I don't like comparing playoff records in this case to say one guy is better than the other and here is why. Tlaw's playoff victory came at home against one of the worst coached teams in recent memory in a game where he threw 4 interceptions. Tua's playoff loss that wasn't even close was also on the road against Patrick Mahomes. And it would be absurd to use losing on the road against Mahomes in the playoffs as the reason Miami shouldn't pay Tua similar money to Tlaw because Tlaw wouldn't win that game either
The owners are looking into making the QB's contract seperate from the salary cap. If they are heading towards 60 mil per season then that would be the smart move
i dont think there should be a seperate salary cap. a qb can either choose to take more money and either risk being let go by their team or end up with no supporting cast and risk catastrophic injuries or take less, have more supporting cast, more superbowl wins, more endorsements. the nfl is already protecting qbs. what more do they want? i feel the salary cap is what keep the nfl competitive. if peyton manning wanted 100m you either pay him and let him play with no support, or let him go. but with no qb salary cap u can keep your star qb with no reprocussions.
Or teams can stop overpaying their unproven QB’s.
So the NFL will reward teams that made crappy QB deals and punish teams that did not. Its gonna be a hard no for many owners. Those type of rule changes require a super majority vote.
Source? Owners like keeping overall costs down and I feel that would do the opposite
I don't ever seeing the players' union agreeing to that
Love your video, Mike, and keep up the great work you are awesome bro
No drama in Miami folks. Tua will be in Miami, if the franchise wants him to be there, for at least the next year on the rookie contract and possibly the next 3 with a franchise tag. No real pressure to get the deal done.
That’s the right attitude.
As a huge dolphins fan I’m annoyed they didn’t do it as the season ended with felt like this was gonna be a problem, I wanted him to be paid first so everyone else can over pay everyone else
Exactly
Don't think they needed to do it when the season ended, although they probably could have gotten a better deal. However, they should have done it before all the other QBs started signing. Just bad business strategy!
I am a dolphin fan too, but it will be hard to pay him that much for a guy that has only played one full season and you would lose the ability to pay for good oline man because Tua is taking up almost a quarter of the salary cap.
@@freedom4all219 Tua is NOT taking up a quarter of the salary cap. This is the problem with this whole story... he will NEVER get 55 million (or whatever) in a year. In the first year, he would be around 9% of the salary cap, and at no point would he ever be more than 16%. It's not ACTUALLY 55 million a year.
The disrespec is real. Tua looking at Laurence like wtf you done...
He's won his division and a playoff game. Let me know when Tua does that.
@@runronnierun7213 Those are team accomplishments. Tua has out-performed Lawrence in virtually every QB metric, other than running the football.
@@runronnierun7213 Nick Foles won multiple playoff games and a super bowl, why wasn't he making big money when he was playing?
@@cnelsonlv99 name one clutch situation in which Tuna has actually delivered. Couldn't get to FG range against the Titans which was great, thanks for our 4th division title salty boy. Also think of where he was before they got Tyreek, McDaniel, and all the offensive weapons. I hope your GM is as delusional as yoiu and pays him big, doom the franchise for years.
@@cnelsonlv99is this a metrics game or a win/loss sport? Asking for a friend. I’ve been a KC guy all my life. Good and bad. Brodie Croyle. Look him up.
Tua deserves it. We’ve had 5 diff QBs in this system and they all failed when given the chance
Who?
@@willaimhebert126 Skyler, teddy b, Mike white, and tua
@@The_realLTand all those QBs got to throw to waddle and Tyreek and still lost all the games they started…
@@Phinaddict305 that’s what I’m saying.
@@Phinaddict305so pay Tua because bottom tier quarterbacks didn’t perform well?
Jesus
They should definitely pay Tua whatever he wants. I'm a Bills fan, but I think it's a great idea!
Thank you for the great content! 🇨🇦
i love tua. all im saying is that we won a game without tyreek waddle stepped up and did what we knew he could do but every game without tua we lost except one game
Exactly
Yessir...both of yall know
Dolphins fan here;
I really like Tua, and I believe he’s an excellent quarterback that can still grow. If I’m Miami, given everything, I would sign him to a longer contract. 6-7 years would put Tua in at 12 years in the league. $400-420m over that timeframe with the first 3 years being fully guaranteed in the event of an injury. After 3, it’s just becomes guaranteed money for a year if he’s injured.
I like this
First 3 years fully guaranteed? Idk about that. 1 or 2 at the most.
Glad we’re getting more football news, can’t wait for this season
Bro I've been starving...
Tua's biggest issue is that we haven't had an OLine crack the top HALF much less Top Ten of the league in TWENTY YEARS. Tua took ju-jitsu classes so he could learn "how to fall", he was THAT SHOOK. Ryan Tannehill was the most sacked QB in the league TWO YEARS IN A ROW while he was here, we crippled him both developmentally and physically. He then moved to Tennesee and brought them to the Conference Finals coming in ~one-third through the season.
OLine>QB>Defense... THEN you can focus on the rest of your team!
Mikerophone NFL, will you be doing predictions for each division? If so some follow-ups when the playoffs come around to see how your predictions played out?
Tua Turndaballova strikes again
LOL greatest nickname ever, I laugh everytime
Yessir tua turndaballova
@@Straightfireclipzjosh allen threw more ints 😂😂😂🤡
Josh Allen, Mahomes, etc have more and way more career turnovers
🤣🤣
A QBs success has a lot to do with who's around him. That being said, picture Tua on the Panthers, pay him accordingly.
At this point only 1 qb is worth that money and that qb takes discounts and restructures all the time.
Thank goodness they didn’t invest in Watson
The dolphins have a bottom 5 oline, and McDaniel schemes the offense to get the ball out quickly to hide the bad oline play. Tua has one of the fastest releases in the NFL, and is perfect for this system. No chance they move on
Why do NFL teams seem to feel obligated to pay their quarterback the most in the NFL every extension?
These kinds of problems are exactly why NFL teams should develop players in developmental leagues. They could just pay the QB salary of a guy in the UFL, have him develop so he's ready for the NFL. It's actually cheaper in the long run.
The NFL desperately needs a legitimate developmental league. It’s about to really find that out with the shakeout of college football. With that in mind I would go so far as to say that it should be concurrent league so that the NFL can use it the same way that the NBA does the G-League and the NHL does the AHL.
Develop deez, and go read a book lames
Players can take only so many hits. You'll wear out the players in a developmental league. If they're not good enough, they're not good enough. College football is the developmental league. Hits aren't as hard compared to the pros.
They might need to do to Tua what the Pats did to Brady for years. Talk him into taking less money to make the team better.
4:38 Why would you waste time speculating on this? Tua IS in Mike's system and unless Mike doesn't like Tua, Miami should pay him.
lol @ the little laugh when mentioning goffs contract
Im gonna be at sleep away camp for the release bro
Thanks for sharing
Miami was never ready to trade multiple picks and Tua for Watson. That was nonsense spread by Flores, and he never had the keys. Miami didnt even make a play for Watson when he became available, and nothing has changed in Miami. It was just another example of how BFlo tried to sabotage Tua's career.
Does Trevor lawance deserve to be payed more than those guys… ( no)
This qb market is crazy
It’s out of control nobody’s worth that type of money
There is one problem with Miami they don’t have mahomes chief are not letting up
Based on performance, NO player in the NFL should make more money than Patrick Mahomes. The notion that EVERY time a QB gets a contract it needs to reset the market is stupid and unsustainable. Here's the problem. If your QB isn't as good as Mahomes but makes more than him, you are going to be at a financial disadvantage to the NFL's current dynasty. The way to overcome that is to draft really well, but the problem there is the Chiefs draft really well, so you'll have to outdraft the Chiefs every year, which is possible, but since the Chiefs are really good at it, the margin for error is slim. The problem is, you have to do that just to close the gap from overpaying your QB. The absurdity of QB contracts right now makes having a QB on a rookie QB is a cheat code because you can stack the roster when your QB is cheap which makes drafting a QB instead of overpaying a veteran an attractive option, especially if you haven't been able to beat the Chiefs with a QB who has been on his rookie contract. Mahomes is good enough to overcome losing players like Tyreek Hill and win back to back Superbowls without him. I have doubts that Tua could thrive the same way without Hill and/or Waddle.
As a life long Dolphins fan he isn’t worth that money. He’s not a Super Bowl contending Quarterback he’s average at best. It’s time to look for a replacement.
Well hes definitely is at least better or as good as Trevor Lawrence
Who are we getting that’s going to be a better option. If he’s not good explain why he went 8-5 his rookie season without Hill or Waddle…. Dolphins went 10-6 and still missed the playoffs because of how competitive that season was. Where’s Jakeem Grant, Devante, Parker, and Mike Gesicki at now…… he had one of the worst offensive lines that season too. The thing that really gets me is when people talk about injuries. It’s crazy because Joe Burrow actually has missed more games than him at this point in their careers. Also, no one talks about the Chiefs Dolphins playoff game and how we were missing six starters, and four of them were on defense, as if it has no impact on the game at all. But when Travis Kelce misses a game and the Chiefs loose everyone accepts the fact that they lost because travis Kelce didn’t play. The biases surrounding the NFL are crazy along with the stupid narratives. Keep the same energy with every team
The amount of capital you can get out of Tua is insane.
I’d trade, to go up top 3 next draft. 🔥🔥
Then boom 4-5 years on another QB Contract
@@Ruthless13xHow much do you think you could get? Who would trade for them
These contracts are getting out of control
The interaction with the audience feels so personal.
I felt the system thru the screen😂😂😂
Ain’t no way he used the “hawk tua” pic of tua hahah
Mike McDaniel is a great coach tho
This is what’s more insane to me. The NFL has basically decided we are not gonna pay running backs a lot of money. The absolute best running back in the league, Christian McCaffrey gets $16 million of season. Justin Jefferson just signed for $35 million a season And think about it even Jalen waddle got 25 million a season on his extension. Christian McCaffrey touches the ball more than any of those guys, his combined rushing and receiving yards are more than any of those guys and he has way more touchdowns than any of those guys and you have 16 million versus 25+ million for a call in some cases, number two receiver
I think due to the speed of the team and the success Tua had in that system he is able to process the game quickly like that of Brock Purdy. I feel like if their roles were to switch they would both have success in their new systems
I agree that the line has to be drawn in the sand somewhere and these qb’s can’t just keep demanding more money. The question I have is why Tua gets so much blame for the playoff loss to KC when 6 defensive starters were out against the Chiefs? It’s a team sport right?🤔 I think that I would use the franchise tag on him.
I'm a giants fan so I'm completely biased with this question. Is DJ overpaid. Now a mid-level salary with an out after this season. The cowboys might be giving Dak 65 if they keep sitting on their hands
It's obvious that Tua did benefit from Mike McDaniel's offense system and has 2 elite receivers. Not to mention Dolphins had one of best running game as well. Patrick Mahomes, Joe Burrow, or even Josh Allen would put up 6k passing yards 50 tds if they play for McDaniel that has 2 elite receivers and strong running game.
bros gonna end up like deshaun Watson
The qb market is so high if you don’t have a top 5 qb you simply can’t give him top 5 money
Even if you do it's a trap. Burrow signed a huge contract and got hurt immediately.
The market is the market i told everyone tua really needs media training
Hawk Tua in the thumbnail😂😂
I think DALLAS is going to do that with Dak. Let him walk as 🐥 as Jerry is, or doesn't want to get burned like he did with Zeke.
Thats why they traded for Trey Lance,if dak walk.
@@polopolo8105Is there any proof Lance can beat out Cooper Rush?
If he married Tony hawk, he’d be Hawk, Tua
Lame
@@ggbchronicles7355 so true that’s why I didn’t tweet it and posted it as a random TH-cam comment
Can u do one on the heat we need moves
Perhaps these QB contracts should have more incentives and availability as components.
What happened to QB's talking a pay cut to buy weapons and get to the superbowl
This is how the NFL ensures that few dynasties like '70s Steelers or pre-Jerry Cowboys will occur. A hard salary cap& QB using a ridiculous % of cap means it's the rookie deal true franchise QBs with a talented supporting team win SBs. Occasionally, a GOAT QB comes along with a genius HC come along - Montana-Walsh, Brady-Bill & prob Mahomes-Reid. Yes, IMO Bill B was equally important in Pats run as Brady; Pats D kept or brought Pats back in game for Brady to finish. Brady didn't: contain the "Greatest Show on Turf;" strip sack Matt Ryan; intercept Russ Wilson; or hold LA Rams to 3 points in the SB.
LOL that’s a stretch to say the jets improved “significantly” 😂
#TogetherEvery1AchievesMore TEAM‼️
I wonder why this video is geared toward making a push to get rid of Tua?
Picked up on that too?
Because there are teams eager to pick Tua up. Dolphins are dropping the ball with a sniper like Tua
@@ggbchronicles7355 yea I did and it’s sad to see
Had to put hawk tua in the thumbnail
What I think they should do is give him an option a 500 mil deal where the first 3 years it's guaranteed he gets 100 mill in the first 3 years and with the excess cap space we pick up more guys for the DL and OL and by year 4 win us a SB and then you split up the 400 in 7 years giving him almost 58 mil a year making him the wealthiest QB in the league a top of Patrick
No other team in the league would pay Tua even close to what he is asking for.
The Vikings are glad to have Brian Flores - the guy is fire as DC.
The entire world is upside down
He’s staying at Miami fins up 🩵🧡💯🐬
One thing I know is their not the same explosive team,when tyreek is not in the line up.
Deshaun Watson isn’t that guy and I’m a Steelers fan and I’m so glad that the Browns went out and did what they did to get him
As a Texans fan so am I 😂😂😂
As a Dolphins fan, couldn't agree more!
I think his brain injury’s are getting to him..
True
How?
WHAT HOW U COME 2 THAT CONCLUSION 🤔🥶
Man let this clown have his delusional common man doctor analysis
you're a real kefe for saying that!!
Let him test the market. No one is gonna give him that kind of massive contract. When he comes back with his tail between his legs, sign him at $40-45M per year (which is still friggin insane).
I think my fantasy football team name will be Sea-Hawk Tua 😂
Id be ok if he got 40 million a season i think hes worth that but not more jmo
He's really small you know and I don't know why I thought he was way more mobile
Quarterbacks try not to scam ur team challenge: Impossible
Not impossible, Brady and Mahomes achieved it
Damn just when I was thinking of drafting him in fantasy and calling my team . The Hawk Tuas 💦
its easy for people to say oh its the system but if it was really that easy then so many teams wouldnt be drafting qbs yearly lol tua is one of the top guys in the league and worth the money when u find a guy that is working u dont mess around with that u dont take that for granted or it will bite u and ur team ends up looking for a new guy the next decade+ lol
Mike McDaniels reminds me of an old-school stoner 😆
Half-baked McDaniels
I'm an old school stoner. That is an insult to old school stoners!
@@jonncockrell3606
If you got insulted by that, then you’re not an old-school stoner…. FYI
What’s in that vape lol
TBH I wish sports would go back to the old days and not tell you player contracts. judge the player on his merits not his contract. Also in general most people are selfish when they say they are a team player. I get it , you have to get yours when you can but its also that attitude that makes it hard for teams to keep good players and build a team. Cant pay everyone.
QB salaries are far out of control. Base their salary on a percentage of the salary cap. Currently if you are the starter long enough you will get top money. Whether you deserve it or not. Instead base salary increases on performance. So much for wins and losses during the season. How deep in the playoffs, Super Bowl win or loss etc. if this keeps up the other players on the teams are going to strike again. The majority of the pie is three or four studs and whatever left over for the others.
Honestly i hope hes okay. He should open up a gofundme
Making the New York Jets sound like a threat to insult Tua is insane work. As a Jets fan... I'd rather have Tua than a QB that couldn't win with an all star team in GB.
Things going look great if he balls out this year no way around it
The same case could be made for Brock or Dak, Brock can run a lil but hes not as clutch or as accurate as Tua, Dak is more mobile than Tua but he's not as good under pressure or against good teams. All three of them are basically Jared Goffs in different variations. I'd put any of them at between 45 - 50 million if I'm being honest, and Tua's concussions worry me alot I'd probably give him a highish short contract 3 years lots of guaranteed money with a 4th year option I'd want the lowest cap hit I can possibly get, I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't end up as a Antonio Brown/Junior Seau situation.
NE could be disruptive this year-the offense is definitely in rebuilding mode, but Jacoby Brissett can win some games, and the defense is in great shape with the return of Gonzales and Judon. Tua could have real problems with that defense especially when it gets cold.
It can't just be next up gets paid most, it's simply not sustainable.
So many of the great players in the league over the years were more focused on winning and would take less money for the good of the team.
Why do quarterbacks take so much money knowing its going to hurt the team surrounding them?
If Goff is making 53M a year, Tua should make around that much. The argument of "Tua's only that good because of the team around him" is so dumb because you can say that about guys like Burrow, who had Higgins/Chase/Boyd/Mixon, as well as Goff, who has a top 3 O-Line, Amon-Ra, and LaPorta. We also saw Goff's previous head coach Sean McVay give up an extra 1st round pick TO GET RID OF HIM. No matter how bad people think Tua may be, it's never gotten to a point where his coach thinks that lowly of him where they'd have to give an extra 1st rounder to dump him.
It seems people are penalizing Tua and using the "He's only good because of the team around him" narrative because they saw him look bad when he was playing behind a bottom 3 OL and throwing to Devante Parker, Jakeem Grant, and Albert Wilson. I'm sure if guys like Goff, Lawrence, or Burrow were in that situation, they would also look mid.
Personally, prior to free agency I was thinking Tua should be paid around 45M a year, but I also thought he'd deserve that amount of money because Lawrence and Goff would be paid around there. But since Goff is making 53M, market value would be that Tua gets paid around the same. If my Dolphins decide they don't want to make the same mistake the Lions did though, I'd understand.
If you think of most current QBs with Brady being a big exception since he never had amazing OL or weapons, they are all unfairly over or under hyped by supporting cast.
@@AlexxTehGreat For sure. I just don't know why people hype up the talent of guys like Burrow for playing with stacked weapons, but then say Tua is just a product of his weapons. How come Burrow isn't regarded as a product of his weapons?
Tua is good when he's not bad. He's too inconsistent. Last season I saw him throw some passes which made no sense. I found myself asking "who was that supposed to be to?" I wonder if his concussion issues are still hindering his performance. I had really high hopes at first when he signed with the Phins but now I'm not so sure.
Thinking QB'S salaries are out of control, which they are and that the owners are going to put a max on QB salary. It's obscene how much they make now when teams need to address other positions. Greed
Bruh he is still under contract and he could be placed on the franchise tag anyways the following year. Why get crazy with the contract rn with the qb market as it is LOL
As a patriots fan i say he deserves 100 million a year. Get that bag man
Let's assume they move on from Tua and draft a QB they will probably be picking past the 20th pick in the draft. It's not like they'll get the next Tua or Lawrence. To move on you want a top 3 pick