@@EvlEgle red deck wins is typically a way that keeps the Meta at a certain pace. A lot of people might not play it but it is always considered when your deck building or side boarding it has a lot of power.
In today's environment: Step 1: Get 1 roll of Toilet paper Step 2: Trade said roll of Toilet paper for 1 Modern Burn Deck Step 3: ??? Step 4: Profit. Step 5: Repeat.
Every time i return to mtg i usually pick up cards from the standard format that is on the moment and when i abandon mtg and return again like a year later i am sad because of my last deck not being on standard anymore. So i discovered modern that doesn't have rotation every year and ALL of the cards can be used. But that's my main problem. Where the hell do i start on modern if i wanna build a deck from zero if they are so many cards that can do the same strategy. I just wanna enjoy the game but i always have the main problem with building a deck that can be enjoyable and good.
@@SomnusShinra The prevailing wisdom regarding building into modern is to start off with a cheap, fast deck like burn, prowess or storm (or to a lesser extent infect, bogles or g tron). This is because modern is a highly complex and, unfortunately, highly expensive format so starting off on one of these gives you a deck to play while you're just learning the ropes and getting to know the environment. Later with a better knowledge of the landscape of the format you can then pick your favourite deck or decks and then invest into them. That's how the significant majority of modern players started out.
Yo prof really appreciate the modern content, keep it up and ignore the haters, modern is a very polarizing format. People either love it or hate it. Just know those of us that love the format appreciate the content.
Had a thought during this episode: continue inviting guests who focus on different formats, or otherwise have interesting things to say.... thinking maybe Brad Nelson for Standard, Reid Duke for Pro Tour aspirants, Emma Handy, Olivia G-H, etc...
I bought into modern last summer when they printed ringleader into modern. Goblins has always been one of my favorite tribes and I just couldnt buy into the deck cause it wasn't good. But with matron and ringleader entering the format, I finally thought the deck could be playable. Haven't regretted the decision and its pretty dang great. Modern is expensive, and if you want an eternal format thats cheaper to go into, pioneer is a great choice. But modern has a far more diverse metagame especially at local game stores and is well worth the buy in if you have a store that plays it near you.
Eidolon of the Great Revel in Dragon’s Maze? I’m curious which card you actually meant, because Eidolon is in another famously weak set - Journey Into Nyx.
8 rack was my first modern deck. I started out budgeting 8 rack, not running lilis or thoughtseize or bridge then slowly upgraded from there. And I mean SLOWLY. I played 8 rack for about 5 years, starting in 2015. I first got thoughtseizes, then got bridges then finally snagged lilis. Now that I got a lot of the black cards I am working my way toward bgx decks. I currently have all of the rock except verdants, which I budget out with windswepts. I'm telling you all this because I firmly believe that modern is by far the best format, whether you are playing top tier decks or not. You can play modern for cheap. It's doable and it's fun. In fact, it was the professor's video titled "MTG - Modern Mono Black Control - 8 Rack Discard Deck With Liliana - Magic: The Gathering" that introduced me to 8 rack and I will always be grateful to the professor for that. 8 rack was my deck of choice but... let's just say its not for everyone. There is a deck out there for you that is both fun, affordable and has a path to upgrade to competitiveness. Please at least entertain the thought of playing modern, I promise you will not regret it!
Thank you so much for this video. I started only playing mtg since the release of arena. So I literally only been playing digital. My digital beginnings has driven my itch for paper but I was clueless as to where to start and what format to get into. This video is what I needed to figure out that modern is where I will be starting my paper journey. Thanks again! Keep up the great content!
wow guys I really enjoyed this video thoug I only casually play mtg online. you guys really know what you are talking about AND THIS IS WHAT LIFE IS ABOUT: become the master in the thing you like doing. not wasting your life being mediocre in something people expect from you like becoming a lawyer or something. You two are really inspiring and I could listen to you endlessly.
Prof, i have to say that i ABSOLUTELY want these colored boxes that are on your shelf with the color symbols on it :) as always, great discussion and video
My first modern deck was built 3 months ago thanks to this channel! Boros Burn! It does VERY well.. then I watched the video you have on 8 rack and made the newer one with Davriel! Now that I've been more into modern. I reccomend Bant snow control if you are a control person. For aggro, mono green hex drinkers and mid go JUND!
Great to see some modern content. Now that I've shifted my modern Spirits to Pioneer and soaked up a lot of content on that format I've wanted to give modern a look. Before all this pandemic stuff hit I sold off a handful of cards and decided to invest in dredge instead of another pioneer deck. Very excited and no where near as expensive as some other decks. Keep up the great content Prof!
Always enjoy your content proff ; i would like to mention that I think that the “price tag” of some modern decks really scare people, but they should check and see how much they’ve spent on their commander decks many people I know who complain about moderns price tags carry 2-5k commander decks. I think what you said budgeting and trading is good, you don’t have to buy the deck in one go , you can buy it piece by piece , a fetch a paycheck won’t put you too far back unlike a play set
Here is the decklist if anyone has any thoughts. Thinking about getting some nyleas interventions. 2x-each guildgate 3x-gateway plaza and plaza of harmony 2x-mazes end (just havent gotten any more yet) 4x-growth spiral 4x-explore 4x-guild summit (could consider dropping to 3) 4x-circuitous route 4x-gates ablaze 2x-azusa lost but seeking 2x-primeval titan 2x-open the gates 2x-amulet of vigor (all i have right now) 2x-archway angel 2x-gatebreaker ram “Sideboard” 2x-gatebreaker ram 2x-open the gates 4x-enter the unknown(likely to get switched) 1x-crucible of worlds
17:40 How Lantern Prison, Grixis Shadow, and Amulet Titan came about are anomalies in the system and feats exceedingly rare even among the best players in the world. It's not a story I'd tell to a new player trying to get into modern. The way you build decks like that is by first knowing the format in and out, generally by playing many of the best decks, or the format for a long time.
Grixis Delver is my modern deck ( anything is good with Delver of Secrets + Dreadhorde Arcanist actually :P ) and without the fetches is like 100ish $ for the deck including the shocklands and checklands... Including 1 playset of Delta or Mire and refining the manabase got me up to about 200 $ and the deck doesn't really need more than 4-6 fetches because it's usually built as an 18-19 land count deck. It still stays pretty much affordable and relevant, because it's fast and can be tuned into any kind of meta with different discard, counterspell and removal configuration ( all the while BEING A 3 COLOR DECK THAT DOESN'T ABUSE ASTROLABE + SNOW LANDS ! )
This is great content for those uninitiated with the format, at least from my perspective. I personally am a commander fanatic and will never complain about commander content, but I did often wonder if this Untitled podcast would branch out into different formats! So glad it is. Keep up the great work! Thank you.
I find that the professor is real good at finding relevant topics and keeping to them, despite any personal opinions or distractions (fetch reprint reveal is a good example of not straying from topic despite wanting to). With fetches on everyone's mine, Modern is a great topic to discuss. It's on us to follow his example and keep the discussion on the (relevant) topic. (Suggesting other topics would be preferable to expressing distaste at the selected topic) As it is Commander players should stay in the know regarding Modern, because it grossly affects card prices. You should also keep an eye on Pioneer for the same reason.
8-Rack is actually the deck I was looking at on MTGGoldfish, so, I'm glad to hear you guys saying it's a good start. I've been wanting to get into Modern for ages, but with the cost of Fetchlands, my Golgari deck was hundreds of dollars, and my taps just couldn't compete. Once all of the craziness settles down, I'm gonna go straight to my LGS and buy 8-Rack, it seems very powerful for the low low cost of $48
I've been very interested in getting into modern for some time as it has great nostalgia for me (been playing on and off since 4th edition) but seriously... It IS expensive lol Even playsets of some shocklands (ahem, breeding pool) will set you back a ton if you're running anything more than 2 colors. I did appreciate the professor trying to say ignore the Mana base when looking at cost but if you want to be any kind of competitive, you pretty much need at the very least shocks because basics or taplands just won't get you there in a format notorious for turn 3 and turn 4 kills. Still: enjoyed the discussion and it gave me a lot to think about. Pretty interested in obliterator devotion and since it's mostly devotion based, doesn't really require too many fancy lands. Nice vid Prof 👍
Prof your socks are always amazing! I had a couple modern decks, but they weren’t turn 2 decks, while everyone else I played was so I decided to take them apart and trade them in towards my commander decks.
8:55 Dragons maze was my first set, Rivals was the set that got me back into magic after a break, as such those are my 2 favorite sets. My favorite cards from those sets are Master of Cruelties, Ral Zarek, Zetalpa Primal dawn (ik it's a meme but still), and Zacama, Primal Calamity. The Dinos brought me back and goddamnit I'm gonna make them work!!!! lol
@@andrewrichter3185 Dude if you do not know your match-up against the main decks of the meta, you don't know how to play magic. So learning modern is a long trip, and it's one that's not worth the time
hardened scales is a good pick, plays no fetches, got the ozolith, hard to master but really rewarding as people don't like to count the counters on your side... can kill fast as it can grind a long game thanks to the powerful permanents like animation module, the ozolith, hardended scales, throne of geth. It's around $400 currently. People don't have artifact hate in their sideboard at the moment. Doesn't need mox opal to put up 5:0s
Death n taxes is a nice place to get into modern because it translates really well to legacy. The most expensive cards are stone forge and aethervile which translate really well to other decks and the list needs 0 fetchlands
The reason I say no to pioneer is because theres no infect in it. That's how and why I got into modern started with mono green now I run blue green with fetches and stuff the blue green version was around $600 in total after all was said and done could be a little cheaper if I really looked for best deals and such and that's a "cheap tier 2 modern deck" I think the problem with modern is the competitive nature of the format making people want to make their deck as optimized as possible and that's when it gets extremely expensive I could run infect without fetches or shocks and less good pump spells and make the deck half of that cost but it wouldnt feel the same imo. But that's just my 2 cents I still mostly just build commander I have my modern deck blue green infect and I have my pauper deck mono black control and I'm cool with only having one deck in those formats
There is an old preconstructed "event deck" That's mono green infect that you can get and build from there It's called rot from within and is like $60-$80 on Ebay
The mystery boosters reprinted a ton of modern staples worth getting a playset of. Ancient Stirrings, Lightning Bolt, Bloodbraid Elf, Lightning Helix, Manamorphose, Gravecrawler, Inquisition of Koz, Allosaurus Rider, Memnite, Burning Inquiry, Experiment One, Dismember, Sylvan Scrying, Lingering Souls, Mana Tithe, Street Wraith, Mishra’s Bauble, Anger of the Gods, Hedron Crab, Meddling Mage, Collective Brutality, Kholaghan’s Command, Amulet of Vigor. May take a bit of wiggling to get a playset of what you need, but the price is pretty nice atm.
Two of my favorite rogue "gotcha" decks is 8 Rack & Naya Allys. Both have very potent budget options and even the most optimal build for Allys isn't to unreasonably expensive in modern.
I'm really happy to see this podcast talking more about other formats than just Commander. I really enjoy Commander; it's the format I play most. I just was thinking a podcast called Untitled Magic Podcast should talk about more than just Commander or change it's name. I hope to see more episodes about modern, pioneer, pauper, etc. I do still like the Commander content tho
I've been putting together lists for modern and pauper and now I'm going to see what I have on hand and what I need to get and start getting some decks. Not saying they'll be good but I think I've narrowed it down to what I want. Faerie Ninjas, green stompy and a blink deck
My storm deck is almost $300 but it’s a little unconventional. It uses sram senior edificer and puresteal paladin to build my storm count with Cheerios and grapeshot for the win. I also have retrace and paradoxical outcome for recasting my artifacts. I also have some other win conditions I have urza to generate obsurde amounts of mana and Kembah can create a cat army. Lastly the mana from urza can be pumped into memnarch and I just steal my opponents threats.
Hellllll yeah. I played similar back in the day (pre-Sram). That deck was super fun. Too bad fun decks like that had to suffer for Affinity and Lantern’s (which I love lantern, but it’s a horridly unfun deck) sins.
Mine is more of a budget build. It has great mana though. Play sets of glimervoid, inventors fair, and spires of industry and two of each of my shock lands
@@forceofwillgaming8475 oh nice, man id recommend to build into lantern control or non budget cheerios but the mox opal ban beat up on all of those decks 😔 cheerios is one of my favorite storm decks
A couple sets ago I was really close to buying into Modern with The Rock (b/g goyf/discard/disruption) because I really enjoy the nostalgia of Liliana of the Veil and Tarmogoyf, but I never followed through. That deck is somewhat of a steeper purchase. Maybe when they meaningfully reprint fetchlands in a few centuries... or after another masters set, or whenever I decide to invest into Ultimate Masters.
I got second with a Rakdos Zombies Tymeret deck and BW Tokens once. Honestly Modern is a pretty open format you just have to really know your deck and know what your playing against.
Hearing about the birthing pod ban gave me pains from when I cracked a pack of new phyrexia for fun and opened a foil Birthing Pod a few weeks after it was banned
Almost everyone I know didn't buy an entire modern deck at once, including me. It took me a few months to buy budget Naya zoo, then another six months to finish a janky four color knightfall deck. Since I already had most of the Mana base I bought burn, then it took me a year to buy grishoalbrand (rip my son). Another year to buy grixis control, then since I already had that it wasn't much more to build grixis shadow (mostly since I wanted to build suicide zoo before probe got banned). Over time I collect pieces to other decks tl;dr modern isn't that expensive if you take your time (I'm a broke college student)
I have a slimefoot saproling token deck for modern that used to be my old standard deck when I quit. It gets within the top 15-10 range at my store. Like. Alot of our modern decks are modified old standard decks
You can wreck small tourneys with an artifact blast deck. It cost about 50 bucks and has so much potential. Personally won 2 small tourneys against meta heavy players.
@@JustinWedekind Yeah, I got mine when it was still 100$, and even got shipping free. I heard rumors there will be new batch this week, but I don't expect price to drop much. People are too hyped for the value, and even Professor gave this an A.
Since I dont play very competitively I just take whatever I was playing in standard and upgrade it with some strictly better versions of some of the cards. I had the Vizkopa Loop deck and ended up swapping out the guild gates for the heal lands as a way to start the loop without having to attack and should have a few other minor changes but it still plays exactly the same just slightly more streamlined. I also cant play at my LGS unfortunately because they're all way more serious than I am so their's are just faster and I can't get my combo off and that's what I tend to play. Been wanting to build storm though so I might look into building that now
My only modern competitive deck is modern and its been my favourite deck and only played gp deck for years and as 'this type of person' screw u for the call out love the video and your content prof
I got a set of field of the dead a week before the ban in standard... Hate me all you want but if I'll ever build a modern deck, that's the direction I'll take :)
A true and profound disrespect to the greatness of the game and the growth that could have been... disgusting... our stewards have suffocated their care (the game)
While is somehow true that only the top or topdecks are banned, sometimes clunky decks that rely on some specific cards can disappear. For example, Madness Burn is a nice example (or even maybe Mardu Pyro) where with no Faithless Looting they are not enough to put a decent fight. So basically, the more versatile your deck is the safer you are I guess.
I built Bant soul herder blink (like saffron’s) and with almost none of the cards made it under 50$ warning though, it’s not too competitive and I used check lands and reveal lands
I always liked 8 rack. I like how it plays and everything and its my go to modern deck. Its mono coloured so no fetch land needed, but I only have it on MTGO not in paper format cause Lilianas are expensive :(.
Brian, I'm worried about that cool dragon statue on the little table between you two! Am I really the only one who's like "hey, with all the gestures and gesticulating, someone is going to break off one of those wings!"
I have 3 good meta modern decks out together (E-tron, burn, and bant snowtrol) but my favorite deck that I build years ago bc of prof I built and will never take apart and always take to random modern events where I'm not playing anything is mono blue tron. It does everything that I could ever want to do and I put the deck together for like $200 ( not that price anymore bc chalice went up alot, bought them at like $15 each) but a super fun and anyone whose never played it give it a try. I've won alot of fnm with it and even put up good numbers at GPs. Thanks prof if you ever get some time you should do a updated mono blue tron
I bought deeply into paper modern . Jund, Tron, USA control, EldraziTron, Bant Spirits. Burn, Robots, and Hardened Scales, including multiple play sets of each fetch. I regret the investment, but am holding onto them.
Nicholas Koppean Modern has been a very expensive hobby with minimal enjoyment. I built the decks stand alone, so there are no shared cards between them.
I’ve built a couple decks in modern (budget UG Infect and WB Aristocrats), but I’ve always wanted to find “the deck,” as in the deck I truly love and enjoy for modern. I’ve really developed an interest in an older deck called Eternal Command (it’s a tempo/control deck that uses Eternal Witness and Cryptic Command as a soft lock). It’s rather old, however, and I was wondering if you guys had any advice for updating a deck and determining if it’s even viable in today’s modern format.
I literally have just played only storm since modern was a thing, built it when I was like 8 in 2008 for extending I think, and have played through every ban, bought every card ever even tangentially with a possibility to be good in the deck, and I probably will until magic or I die. Find a deck you love and play it
@@DontStopTheHustle I know the mana difference is big, I just find it hilarious. I also don't feel Astrolabe broke the format. It introduced diversity in deck building colors, but it was all on the back of a single card. With Astrolabe gone, you're back to two colors max in Pauper and blue dominating again, which I find pretty sad. It gets so much play because it's the easiest way to fix a manabase, and honestly, any card that lets me use less fetchlands is going to be something I want to keep around.
@@DontStopTheHustle It can be. Consistency with those colors starts to matter, and while Astrolabe can fix your mana, it does so only a single time. I didn't think the card was out of line, though I can understand the frustration of sitting across from players and seeing Astrolabe Turn 1 all the time.
Question about standard sets, with cards like Kroxa and Uro and even the likes of Oko(now banned). The incremental cost of upgrades with standard staples who make the transition into modern, doesn't this drive up the overall "2 year cost" of modern as well?
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If anyone is curious, mono red prowess is about $200 for a top tier modern deck. No fetches required!
It's a great deck.
@@TolarianCommunityCollege It's great and I love playing it until half of my local FNM complains because 2 or 3 of us play a cheap, good deck
Oh and it is *so fun* to play. Been playing at least a version of it since Khans released.
@@EvlEgle red deck wins is typically a way that keeps the Meta at a certain pace. A lot of people might not play it but it is always considered when your deck building or side boarding it has a lot of power.
Very glad to see modern content on the channel again, keep it coming, more modern stuff please
Will do! Our plan is to keep you entertained.
@@TolarianCommunityCollege yes plz do more modern
Modern is my favourite format :)
Modern all the way.
Best format!
By counting the number of fetches the list requires and looking for another one
Ruaridh Usher Agreed *looks at Modern Burn*
Is that a good example? I’m sure there are worse examples.
@@SmugOcelot It is, and if you wanna go cheaper, you can go to the mono-red blitz version or a mono-red burn version that cuts the Boros cards.
To be fair the Khans fetches aren’t that expensive.
I agree
Save a dollar a day and you can buy 365 dollars worth of fetch lands
Step 1: Sell a kidney
Step 2: Use the kidney money to get fetches
Step 3: If you still have spare money, buy the rest of the deck
I sold both kidneys for just the fetches in jund
😂😂
I feel like those are cheap kidneys...
AndrewAllStar Oh boy now how are you going to afford alcohol to feel better when azorius becomes the best modern deck
Chiky Scares You sell kidney, invest in reserve list cards due to tanking, become millionaire, buy new kidney
Appreciate all the praise for 8-rack, the deck was my introduction into modern and it's been one of my favorite decks in any format ever since ^^
As someone who’s interest in played commander has recently evaporated completely, it’s nice to see content on other formats from the Untitled Podcast.
Eidolon of the Great Revel was from Journey into Nyx, not Dragon's Maze.
AlexStrife89 yeah I thought that Therosy name sounded weird for a Ravnica set
both bad sets with like 1 or 2 good cards
Yeah, the fact that it’s an enchantment creature gives away its theros origin a bit.
Thanks for keeping us company during these trying times, Prof. Much love. Stay safe!
My pleasure! And there's more to come!
In today's environment:
Step 1: Get 1 roll of Toilet paper
Step 2: Trade said roll of Toilet paper for 1 Modern Burn Deck
Step 3: ???
Step 4: Profit.
Step 5: Repeat.
"Step 3: ???" hahahaha!! That killed me!
@@emyron1843 You must be new to the meme haha
I have been net decking for Modern since I started back in mid 2019 and I'm now starting to build my first homebrew deck and I am very excited.
Leeeeeeets go modern! 100% the most enjoyable format that I've ever played, 10/10 would recommend.
Every time i return to mtg i usually pick up cards from the standard format that is on the moment and when i abandon mtg and return again like a year later i am sad because of my last deck not being on standard anymore. So i discovered modern that doesn't have rotation every year and ALL of the cards can be used. But that's my main problem. Where the hell do i start on modern if i wanna build a deck from zero if they are so many cards that can do the same strategy. I just wanna enjoy the game but i always have the main problem with building a deck that can be enjoyable and good.
@@SomnusShinra The prevailing wisdom regarding building into modern is to start off with a cheap, fast deck like burn, prowess or storm (or to a lesser extent infect, bogles or g tron). This is because modern is a highly complex and, unfortunately, highly expensive format so starting off on one of these gives you a deck to play while you're just learning the ropes and getting to know the environment. Later with a better knowledge of the landscape of the format you can then pick your favourite deck or decks and then invest into them. That's how the significant majority of modern players started out.
I've decided to watch this after a mh2 wow just wow everything changed
Yo prof really appreciate the modern content, keep it up and ignore the haters, modern is a very polarizing format. People either love it or hate it. Just know those of us that love the format appreciate the content.
Had a thought during this episode: continue inviting guests who focus on different formats, or otherwise have interesting things to say.... thinking maybe Brad Nelson for Standard, Reid Duke for Pro Tour aspirants, Emma Handy, Olivia G-H, etc...
I would love to see the Reid Duke episode
I bought into modern last summer when they printed ringleader into modern. Goblins has always been one of my favorite tribes and I just couldnt buy into the deck cause it wasn't good. But with matron and ringleader entering the format, I finally thought the deck could be playable. Haven't regretted the decision and its pretty dang great. Modern is expensive, and if you want an eternal format thats cheaper to go into, pioneer is a great choice. But modern has a far more diverse metagame especially at local game stores and is well worth the buy in if you have a store that plays it near you.
I was watching Game Knights episode 2 yesterday with Kessler in it and then he shows up on the professors channel. Awesome!
"YOU DON'T NEED FETCHLANDS!"
Me here sitting with a fatal push getting attacked by an uro, with 2 shocks in play
That's veeery specific😵
I agree. I havent fetches and im still winning. Fetches are great, but not needed.
Great time to buy into Modern!!!
I know right?
Most decks are under a grand for the first time in a while! Woo!
With all of the postal services stopping/limiting their work, not that great
Eidolon of the Great Revel in Dragon’s Maze? I’m curious which card you actually meant, because Eidolon is in another famously weak set - Journey Into Nyx.
Well, there is a playable two-drop from dragon's maze.
@ModernMinded
There’s Voice of Resurgence, but they said Voice AND Eidolon. Is there another modern playable one I don’t know about?
@@spooplegeist5260 Hmm. IDK then. I missed they said voice.
8 rack was my first modern deck. I started out budgeting 8 rack, not running lilis or thoughtseize or bridge then slowly upgraded from there. And I mean SLOWLY. I played 8 rack for about 5 years, starting in 2015. I first got thoughtseizes, then got bridges then finally snagged lilis. Now that I got a lot of the black cards I am working my way toward bgx decks. I currently have all of the rock except verdants, which I budget out with windswepts. I'm telling you all this because I firmly believe that modern is by far the best format, whether you are playing top tier decks or not. You can play modern for cheap. It's doable and it's fun. In fact, it was the professor's video titled "MTG - Modern Mono Black Control - 8 Rack Discard Deck With Liliana - Magic: The Gathering" that introduced me to 8 rack and I will always be grateful to the professor for that. 8 rack was my deck of choice but... let's just say its not for everyone. There is a deck out there for you that is both fun, affordable and has a path to upgrade to competitiveness. Please at least entertain the thought of playing modern, I promise you will not regret it!
Thank you so much for this video. I started only playing mtg since the release of arena. So I literally only been playing digital. My digital beginnings has driven my itch for paper but I was clueless as to where to start and what format to get into. This video is what I needed to figure out that modern is where I will be starting my paper journey. Thanks again! Keep up the great content!
wow guys I really enjoyed this video thoug I only casually play mtg online. you guys really know what you are talking about AND THIS IS WHAT LIFE IS ABOUT: become the master in the thing you like doing. not wasting your life being mediocre in something people expect from you like becoming a lawyer or something. You two are really inspiring and I could listen to you endlessly.
Finally, some modern content.
More coming!
Prof, i have to say that i ABSOLUTELY want these colored boxes that are on your shelf with the color symbols on it :) as always, great discussion and video
Favorite format before this: modern
Favorite format after this: anything if it gets rid of coronavirus...
preferably modern
My first modern deck was built 3 months ago thanks to this channel! Boros Burn! It does VERY well.. then I watched the video you have on 8 rack and made the newer one with Davriel! Now that I've been more into modern. I reccomend Bant snow control if you are a control person. For aggro, mono green hex drinkers and mid go JUND!
Great to see some modern content. Now that I've shifted my modern Spirits to Pioneer and soaked up a lot of content on that format I've wanted to give modern a look. Before all this pandemic stuff hit I sold off a handful of cards and decided to invest in dredge instead of another pioneer deck. Very excited and no where near as expensive as some other decks. Keep up the great content Prof!
should do a follow up video of this in 2022
Always enjoy your content proff ; i would like to mention that I think that the “price tag” of some modern decks really scare people, but they should check and see how much they’ve spent on their commander decks many people I know who complain about moderns price tags carry 2-5k commander decks. I think what you said budgeting and trading is good, you don’t have to buy the deck in one go , you can buy it piece by piece , a fetch a paycheck won’t put you too far back unlike a play set
I have a mazes end deck that runs a bunch of additional land drops per turn. It can just spew out gates like crazy when amulet of vigor is out
Here is the decklist if anyone has any thoughts. Thinking about getting some nyleas interventions.
2x-each guildgate
3x-gateway plaza and plaza of harmony
2x-mazes end (just havent gotten any more yet)
4x-growth spiral
4x-explore
4x-guild summit (could consider dropping to 3)
4x-circuitous route
4x-gates ablaze
2x-azusa lost but seeking
2x-primeval titan
2x-open the gates
2x-amulet of vigor (all i have right now)
2x-archway angel
2x-gatebreaker ram
“Sideboard”
2x-gatebreaker ram
2x-open the gates
4x-enter the unknown(likely to get switched)
1x-crucible of worlds
17:40 How Lantern Prison, Grixis Shadow, and Amulet Titan came about are anomalies in the system and feats exceedingly rare even among the best players in the world. It's not a story I'd tell to a new player trying to get into modern.
The way you build decks like that is by first knowing the format in and out, generally by playing many of the best decks, or the format for a long time.
Grixis Delver is my modern deck ( anything is good with Delver of Secrets + Dreadhorde Arcanist actually :P ) and without the fetches is like 100ish $ for the deck including the shocklands and checklands... Including 1 playset of Delta or Mire and refining the manabase got me up to about 200 $ and the deck doesn't really need more than 4-6 fetches because it's usually built as an 18-19 land count deck.
It still stays pretty much affordable and relevant, because it's fast and can be tuned into any kind of meta with different discard, counterspell and removal configuration ( all the while BEING A 3 COLOR DECK THAT DOESN'T ABUSE ASTROLABE + SNOW LANDS ! )
Two of my absolute favorite people talking in a room. Wonderful.
This is great content for those uninitiated with the format, at least from my perspective. I personally am a commander fanatic and will never complain about commander content, but I did often wonder if this Untitled podcast would branch out into different formats! So glad it is. Keep up the great work! Thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Huh, thought this was going to just be a Commander-oriented podcast. That's fine, I'm not complaining just surprised.
The idea is that this is any Mtg topic we want. By pure coincidence, the first six episodes were all commander guests.
I find that the professor is real good at finding relevant topics and keeping to them, despite any personal opinions or distractions (fetch reprint reveal is a good example of not straying from topic despite wanting to).
With fetches on everyone's mine, Modern is a great topic to discuss. It's on us to follow his example and keep the discussion on the (relevant) topic. (Suggesting other topics would be preferable to expressing distaste at the selected topic)
As it is Commander players should stay in the know regarding Modern, because it grossly affects card prices. You should also keep an eye on Pioneer for the same reason.
@@altosforteaquax5083 Or maybe he has just been playing a lot of commander recently? In my opinion modern is superior to commander.
8-Rack is actually the deck I was looking at on MTGGoldfish, so, I'm glad to hear you guys saying it's a good start. I've been wanting to get into Modern for ages, but with the cost of Fetchlands, my Golgari deck was hundreds of dollars, and my taps just couldn't compete. Once all of the craziness settles down, I'm gonna go straight to my LGS and buy 8-Rack, it seems very powerful for the low low cost of $48
I've been very interested in getting into modern for some time as it has great nostalgia for me (been playing on and off since 4th edition) but seriously... It IS expensive lol Even playsets of some shocklands (ahem, breeding pool) will set you back a ton if you're running anything more than 2 colors.
I did appreciate the professor trying to say ignore the Mana base when looking at cost but if you want to be any kind of competitive, you pretty much need at the very least shocks because basics or taplands just won't get you there in a format notorious for turn 3 and turn 4 kills.
Still: enjoyed the discussion and it gave me a lot to think about. Pretty interested in obliterator devotion and since it's mostly devotion based, doesn't really require too many fancy lands. Nice vid Prof 👍
Me: this podcast is really interesting. Modern doesnt soind too bad
Also me: I think I'll go build Legacy
LOL yeah, Legacy always will be king!
You know what as odd as this sounds this modern video inspired me to build this pauper ive been thinking about
Prof your socks are always amazing! I had a couple modern decks, but they weren’t turn 2 decks, while everyone else I played was so I decided to take them apart and trade them in towards my commander decks.
Hey, the episode in which you examined the recent standard sets looking for modern playables, what´s its name?? Just wanna check it out !!
8:55 Dragons maze was my first set, Rivals was the set that got me back into magic after a break, as such those are my 2 favorite sets. My favorite cards from those sets are Master of Cruelties, Ral Zarek, Zetalpa Primal dawn (ik it's a meme but still), and Zacama, Primal Calamity. The Dinos brought me back and goddamnit I'm gonna make them work!!!! lol
I mean. I guess i have time to learn modern right now...
Bradley Dennis hard mood
With mail getting more restricted as time passes this might not be the best time to buy into modern
Even during confinement it's a bad use of your time
Do you know how to play magic? Then you know how to play modern. Let that sink in for a second, or maybe a few in your case.
@@andrewrichter3185 Dude if you do not know your match-up against the main decks of the meta, you don't know how to play magic. So learning modern is a long trip, and it's one that's not worth the time
hardened scales is a good pick, plays no fetches, got the ozolith, hard to master but really rewarding as people don't like to count the counters on your side... can kill fast as it can grind a long game thanks to the powerful permanents like animation module, the ozolith, hardended scales, throne of geth. It's around $400 currently. People don't have artifact hate in their sideboard at the moment. Doesn't need mox opal to put up 5:0s
Death n taxes is a nice place to get into modern because it translates really well to legacy. The most expensive cards are stone forge and aethervile which translate really well to other decks and the list needs 0 fetchlands
PREACH
The reason I say no to pioneer is because theres no infect in it. That's how and why I got into modern started with mono green now I run blue green with fetches and stuff the blue green version was around $600 in total after all was said and done could be a little cheaper if I really looked for best deals and such and that's a "cheap tier 2 modern deck"
I think the problem with modern is the competitive nature of the format making people want to make their deck as optimized as possible and that's when it gets extremely expensive I could run infect without fetches or shocks and less good pump spells and make the deck half of that cost but it wouldnt feel the same imo. But that's just my 2 cents I still mostly just build commander I have my modern deck blue green infect and I have my pauper deck mono black control and I'm cool with only having one deck in those formats
it's a problem game wide, pioneer decks are still expensive, standard is expensive in the long run
Hey another infect lover
There is an old preconstructed "event deck"
That's mono green infect that you can get and build from there
It's called rot from within and is like $60-$80 on Ebay
As an devoted druid player im with you I could build my deck for about 200$ but it wouldn't be as consistent and maybe a lot slower.
The mystery boosters reprinted a ton of modern staples worth getting a playset of. Ancient Stirrings, Lightning Bolt, Bloodbraid Elf, Lightning Helix, Manamorphose, Gravecrawler, Inquisition of Koz, Allosaurus Rider, Memnite, Burning Inquiry, Experiment One, Dismember, Sylvan Scrying, Lingering Souls, Mana Tithe, Street Wraith, Mishra’s Bauble, Anger of the Gods, Hedron Crab, Meddling Mage, Collective Brutality, Kholaghan’s Command, Amulet of Vigor.
May take a bit of wiggling to get a playset of what you need, but the price is pretty nice atm.
Two of my favorite rogue "gotcha" decks is 8 Rack & Naya Allys. Both have very potent budget options and even the most optimal build for Allys isn't to unreasonably expensive in modern.
I'm really happy to see this podcast talking more about other formats than just Commander. I really enjoy Commander; it's the format I play most. I just was thinking a podcast called Untitled Magic Podcast should talk about more than just Commander or change it's name. I hope to see more episodes about modern, pioneer, pauper, etc. I do still like the Commander content tho
I've been putting together lists for modern and pauper and now I'm going to see what I have on hand and what I need to get and start getting some decks. Not saying they'll be good but I think I've narrowed it down to what I want. Faerie Ninjas, green stompy and a blink deck
I love these conversations! Do you plan on doing a tutorial for people to play these formats with paper cards over the internet?
These have been my favorite podcasts! Keep up the awesome work!!
Bans do suck but u can survive them. Amulet titan received a ban in a key card from each of the last 3 bans and it's still very powerful.
If curious oko, mycosynthlattice, and once upon a time
the blade splicer fandom is dying. like if you’re a true blade splicer fan
Just finished my D&T modern list with 4 of em
How does "In Response" sound as a title?
I think 'holding priority' would be more fitting
These are both great suggestions
Isn't Casually Competitive's podcast called that?
How about "On the stack"?
I like this video subject. Keep up the good work guys!!
My storm deck is almost $300 but it’s a little unconventional. It uses sram senior edificer and puresteal paladin to build my storm count with Cheerios and grapeshot for the win. I also have retrace and paradoxical outcome for recasting my artifacts. I also have some other win conditions I have urza to generate obsurde amounts of mana and Kembah can create a cat army. Lastly the mana from urza can be pumped into memnarch and I just steal my opponents threats.
Hellllll yeah. I played similar back in the day (pre-Sram). That deck was super fun. Too bad fun decks like that had to suffer for Affinity and Lantern’s (which I love lantern, but it’s a horridly unfun deck) sins.
didnt cheerios run mox opal, how does this deck still exist
Mine is more of a budget build. It has great mana though. Play sets of glimervoid, inventors fair, and spires of industry and two of each of my shock lands
@@forceofwillgaming8475 oh nice, man id recommend to build into lantern control or non budget cheerios but the mox opal ban beat up on all of those decks 😔 cheerios is one of my favorite storm decks
@MH MUDA
Mox Amber could work; but only if you have Sram or Sai in play.
Great now I want to build a modern deck. THANKS PROF.
Have fun!
A couple sets ago I was really close to buying into Modern with The Rock (b/g goyf/discard/disruption) because I really enjoy the nostalgia of Liliana of the Veil and Tarmogoyf, but I never followed through. That deck is somewhat of a steeper purchase. Maybe when they meaningfully reprint fetchlands in a few centuries... or after another masters set, or whenever I decide to invest into Ultimate Masters.
I got second with a Rakdos Zombies Tymeret deck and BW Tokens once. Honestly Modern is a pretty open format you just have to really know your deck and know what your playing against.
Hearing about the birthing pod ban gave me pains from when I cracked a pack of new phyrexia for fun and opened a foil Birthing Pod a few weeks after it was banned
Almost everyone I know didn't buy an entire modern deck at once, including me. It took me a few months to buy budget Naya zoo, then another six months to finish a janky four color knightfall deck. Since I already had most of the Mana base I bought burn, then it took me a year to buy grishoalbrand (rip my son). Another year to buy grixis control, then since I already had that it wasn't much more to build grixis shadow (mostly since I wanted to build suicide zoo before probe got banned). Over time I collect pieces to other decks
tl;dr modern isn't that expensive if you take your time (I'm a broke college student)
I love Alex's dinosaur socks, your socks are cool too prof.
I have a slimefoot saproling token deck for modern that used to be my old standard deck when I quit. It gets within the top 15-10 range at my store. Like. Alot of our modern decks are modified old standard decks
I missed extended, my ug madness was cheap and competitive
You can wreck small tourneys with an artifact blast deck. It cost about 50 bucks and has so much potential. Personally won 2 small tourneys against meta heavy players.
But professor, you got me into mono black 8 rack!!! Don’t you have that amazing deck too?!
Listened to this while sleeping up my eggs ft Zuran Orb deck. Wotc can’t stop us!
How do I pick a modern deck? ANSWER:
Well, how big a loan you want to take out?
LukeL ONE MILLION DOLLARS
Will there be a booster box game for mystery set
Yes indeed there will be!
I wonder what box price will be used? The 119 of cardkingdom, that should be a long video unless prices have sunk a lot since I last checked
@@JustinWedekind You mean 159,99 of cardkingdom, right? It's what I'm seeing...
@@Areinu that's unfortunate/depressing.... At least I got one box while the going was good
@@JustinWedekind Yeah, I got mine when it was still 100$, and even got shipping free. I heard rumors there will be new batch this week, but I don't expect price to drop much. People are too hyped for the value, and even Professor gave this an A.
Since I dont play very competitively I just take whatever I was playing in standard and upgrade it with some strictly better versions of some of the cards. I had the Vizkopa Loop deck and ended up swapping out the guild gates for the heal lands as a way to start the loop without having to attack and should have a few other minor changes but it still plays exactly the same just slightly more streamlined. I also cant play at my LGS unfortunately because they're all way more serious than I am so their's are just faster and I can't get my combo off and that's what I tend to play. Been wanting to build storm though so I might look into building that now
As someone just getting into modern, because MH2, this is still somewhat helpful.
As someone who bought into the jund fever since the beginning of the format : take care, sometimes greatness at any cost is pricy
My only modern competitive deck is modern and its been my favourite deck and only played gp deck for years and as 'this type of person' screw u for the call out love the video and your content prof
I got a set of field of the dead a week before the ban in standard... Hate me all you want but if I'll ever build a modern deck, that's the direction I'll take :)
Mana bases are by far the most expensive part of a modern deck, except for Tron
Matt Ferrin they don’t have to be.
A true and profound disrespect to the greatness of the game and the growth that could have been... disgusting... our stewards have suffocated their care (the game)
The MMCast I should have clarified. Optimal mana bases are the most expensive. My point was that Tron’s mana base is the cheapest part of the deck.
This is a great session! I have a B/W Tokens budget build that can top 8 FNM.
You get my like and comment
Finally!, Modem :)
Enjoy!
While is somehow true that only the top or topdecks are banned, sometimes clunky decks that rely on some specific cards can disappear. For example, Madness Burn is a nice example (or even maybe Mardu Pyro) where with no Faithless Looting they are not enough to put a decent fight. So basically, the more versatile your deck is the safer you are I guess.
Mono red aura humans is what i do. I like it cause its the first modern deck i ever made when i got serious into magic. #longlivemodern
Greetings! Is Infect still viable now without Once Upon a Time ? I'm thinking about investing in it what do you think guys ?
didi èz yes! It was seeing play before hand and still has a good match up against decks with Uro in them
In love with those socks, Professor
I built Bant soul herder blink (like saffron’s) and with almost none of the cards made it under 50$ warning though, it’s not too competitive and I used check lands and reveal lands
I always liked 8 rack. I like how it plays and everything and its my go to modern deck. Its mono coloured so no fetch land needed, but I only have it on MTGO not in paper format cause Lilianas are expensive :(.
can't believe he releases this video during the corona virus pandemic
Love the "untitled" guest lecturer series
Brian, I'm worried about that cool dragon statue on the little table between you two! Am I really the only one who's like "hey, with all the gestures and gesticulating, someone is going to break off one of those wings!"
I have 3 good meta modern decks out together (E-tron, burn, and bant snowtrol) but my favorite deck that I build years ago bc of prof I built and will never take apart and always take to random modern events where I'm not playing anything is mono blue tron. It does everything that I could ever want to do and I put the deck together for like $200 ( not that price anymore bc chalice went up alot, bought them at like $15 each) but a super fun and anyone whose never played it give it a try. I've won alot of fnm with it and even put up good numbers at GPs. Thanks prof if you ever get some time you should do a updated mono blue tron
I bought deeply into paper modern . Jund, Tron, USA control, EldraziTron, Bant Spirits. Burn, Robots, and Hardened Scales, including multiple play sets of each fetch. I regret the investment, but am holding onto them.
Chris Teaters, why do you regret it?
Nicholas Koppean Modern has been a very expensive hobby with minimal enjoyment. I built the decks stand alone, so there are no shared cards between them.
Chris Teaters, yeah that’s the thing. I look at building a new modern deck that I might be able to use once a month in paper and I figure why bother?
I’ve built a couple decks in modern (budget UG Infect and WB Aristocrats), but I’ve always wanted to find “the deck,” as in the deck I truly love and enjoy for modern. I’ve really developed an interest in an older deck called Eternal Command (it’s a tempo/control deck that uses Eternal Witness and Cryptic Command as a soft lock). It’s rather old, however, and I was wondering if you guys had any advice for updating a deck and determining if it’s even viable in today’s modern format.
I literally have just played only storm since modern was a thing, built it when I was like 8 in 2008 for extending I think, and have played through every ban, bought every card ever even tangentially with a possibility to be good in the deck, and I probably will until magic or I die. Find a deck you love and play it
The two decks that i’m Slowly getting built are tron and lotus field twiddle storm
Very informative, thank you!
I have so many eldrazi from BfZ standard, which decks can I go for with those?
fiddlewheelx e l d r a z i , I think XD. It depends on what eldrazi you have.
Eldrazi tron, it's essentially eldrazi tribal with most of the price coming from chalice of the void and a cavern of souls I think
How about grixis control with drown in the Loch?
He literally discribed my modern UW Control deck
finally modern! too exhausted from commander
I like that Astrolabe gets banned and "put on watch" outside of Pauper, but Prophetic Prism gets ignored all because it costs 2 mana instead of 1.
1 Mana is a huge difference. Astrolabe broke formats because it was cheaper than prophetic prism.
@@DontStopTheHustle I know the mana difference is big, I just find it hilarious. I also don't feel Astrolabe broke the format. It introduced diversity in deck building colors, but it was all on the back of a single card. With Astrolabe gone, you're back to two colors max in Pauper and blue dominating again, which I find pretty sad.
It gets so much play because it's the easiest way to fix a manabase, and honestly, any card that lets me use less fetchlands is going to be something I want to keep around.
@@ForeverLaxx Fair enough, but I think it's also fair to say that the more colors you can play, the more powerful the decks in a format become.
@@DontStopTheHustle It can be. Consistency with those colors starts to matter, and while Astrolabe can fix your mana, it does so only a single time. I didn't think the card was out of line, though I can understand the frustration of sitting across from players and seeing Astrolabe Turn 1 all the time.
Question about standard sets, with cards like Kroxa and Uro and even the likes of Oko(now banned). The incremental cost of upgrades with standard staples who make the transition into modern, doesn't this drive up the overall "2 year cost" of modern as well?
i thought that was a shaved face pleasent kenobi i almost cried