Zumthor creates spaces that give the person experiencing it the freedom to interpret them without qualification. It's an extremely liberating feeling. Vals accomplished this on every level, as did Steilneset. Spending a day inside one of his creations is like sitting on the sand looking out at the ocean, it's timeless and always generating experiences.
1:01:40 the way they embrace each other its very special to see. Considering they both are from countries that are not very famous for being to touching with each other, it make feel happy to see that.
To simplify what is simple and has been talked about in a convoluted manner, they're talking about the phenomena of nostalgia and the atmosphere felt through your perception. They're talking about their (human condition) experiences, and how it has influenced their understanding of architectural design.
Do you mean "Stube"? It's the German word for a bigger gathering/family spaces in older, and maybe more rural house, where also the oven/fireplace is placed. It's the common space for gathering inside the house from where the heat spreads. It's mostly the "coziest" and most public room of the house.
Wow, can Peter lower his ego for a moment so Juhani can speak? What’s the purpose of inviting Juhani and setting up the video camera if he’s not going to allow him to speak?
I agree he wasted his interview time trying to condescend an trick Juhani. I didn’t like it. When Juhani assumed the role of interviewer it was a lot more pleasant and useful
I think they both just fail to find a middle ground between their different approaches to the conversation. They both interpret each other's questions and answers so differently. Pallasmaa first and foremost is theoretical, abstract, and dreamy; all about ideas and a search for the essence of something beyond the concept of time. Zumthor is much more concrete and gives details of physical sensations grounded and lived in the now of reality. It's almost as if Zumthor operates first on a mostly non-theoretical basis, which is surprising for a starchitect. It's not until Zumthor gives his own example of the answer he is expecting (and vice versa) where the conversations really start to get better. Zumthor felt like the student here trying to get answers from his professor for questions that have been bothering his mind.
Peter, I'm listening to this, very interesting, 24min in, but I think you both have this wrong. These ideas are too metaphysical. Poetics are extremely important in creation and recollection, but this feeling of 'presence' you're searching after is almost entirely located in our body, and specifically in the invitation the world calls out to our body, which is always already in the world (ponty), to simultaneously make us aware of our being in the world, but... through the form of this invitation... an invitation to run through a field or a hedgerow, a stone wall to rub our fingers against, a low and dark space to take shelter and hide, protected, a liminal space where our dreams and fears hide that later takes on the markings of home, a cave from which to take our coffee and look out on the world, a tall shelf to reach up to... or to take us out of our body through feelings of beauty, the uncanny, vastness... even that which takes us out of our body and unsettles or amazes us... this should be first and foremost understood as a relation of and to our body. These forms out in the world must also be in us. And also this didactic parsing of immediate experience and memory... well I appreciate the impulse to ask the correct question, but don't be fooled now... memory is Always wound up in present experience insofar as reflection in the moment, a notion of the self on the mirror side of our body from the world, is a part of that moment as well (our strongest recollections are also triggered by the body, the feel or the fragrance of a place)... unless you are deep in zazen. These are not simple questions, and seeming contradictions may threaten the edifice, but my thoughts might contribute.
Which is probably exactly his mind, as he understands and i would also argue feels, as an always changing, blurred and vage entity so that his thinking actually evolves in a different kind of mind
To simplify what is simple and has been talked about in a convoluted manner, they're talking about the phenomena of nostalgia and the atmosphere felt through your perception. They're talking about their (human condition) experiences, and how it has influenced their understanding of architectural design
Zumthor creates spaces that give the person experiencing it the freedom to interpret them without qualification. It's an extremely liberating feeling. Vals accomplished this on every level, as did Steilneset. Spending a day inside one of his creations is like sitting on the sand looking out at the ocean, it's timeless and always generating experiences.
Damn thank you for sharing your sentiment it’s like peering out at an ocean among shallow new nature digital urban puddles! Sincerely keep it up!
1:01:40 the way they embrace each other its very special to see. Considering they both are from countries that are not very famous for being to touching with each other, it make feel happy to see that.
To simplify what is simple and has been talked about in a convoluted manner, they're talking about the phenomena of nostalgia and the atmosphere felt through your perception. They're talking about their (human condition) experiences, and how it has influenced their understanding of architectural design.
So lovely, thank you so much for sharing this conversation.
I love Pallasmaa's writings and it shocked me for just a second when I heard the word 'mental home' (13:22). :)
This is brilliant. It is a significant conversation that requires to be understood further.
Love this dialogue between a theoretical Pallasmaa and a realist Zumthor!
This was an amazing interview -- thanks for sharing!
i'm currently writing an essay on these two! so thank you for sharing this!
is it done? Can I read them?
they both wonderful architects
"At that time, I thought that architecture and art was an invention, now I think they are much more a conversation with the past!" 29.00
28:53
can someone help me, what did he call it at 10:20?
Do you mean "Stube"? It's the German word for a bigger gathering/family spaces in older, and maybe more rural house, where also the oven/fireplace is placed. It's the common space for gathering inside the house from where the heat spreads. It's mostly the "coziest" and most public room of the house.
The irony of PZ constantly talking over the top of JP is not lost here.
What are the painters name they mention?
Vermeer, Arnold Bocklin, Antonello da Messina
Ebru hanım o kadar güzel anlattı ki insan bu adamı dinlemek istiyor
Always great to be reminded of what's important with all the distractions of our time
The moment of “being” at home
Wow, can Peter lower his ego for a moment so Juhani can speak? What’s the purpose of inviting Juhani and setting up the video camera if he’s not going to allow him to speak?
I agree he wasted his interview time trying to condescend an trick Juhani. I didn’t like it. When Juhani assumed the role of interviewer it was a lot more pleasant and useful
great
they both are not same level of understanding
Interviewer needs to be more patient and listen
he is really annoying
I think they both just fail to find a middle ground between their different approaches to the conversation. They both interpret each other's questions and answers so differently. Pallasmaa first and foremost is theoretical, abstract, and dreamy; all about ideas and a search for the essence of something beyond the concept of time. Zumthor is much more concrete and gives details of physical sensations grounded and lived in the now of reality. It's almost as if Zumthor operates first on a mostly non-theoretical basis, which is surprising for a starchitect.
It's not until Zumthor gives his own example of the answer he is expecting (and vice versa) where the conversations really start to get better. Zumthor felt like the student here trying to get answers from his professor for questions that have been bothering his mind.
100% agree
Peter, I'm listening to this, very interesting, 24min in, but I think you both have this wrong. These ideas are too metaphysical. Poetics are extremely important in creation and recollection, but this feeling of 'presence' you're searching after is almost entirely located in our body, and specifically in the invitation the world calls out to our body, which is always already in the world (ponty), to simultaneously make us aware of our being in the world, but... through the form of this invitation... an invitation to run through a field or a hedgerow, a stone wall to rub our fingers against, a low and dark space to take shelter and hide, protected, a liminal space where our dreams and fears hide that later takes on the markings of home, a cave from which to take our coffee and look out on the world, a tall shelf to reach up to... or to take us out of our body through feelings of beauty, the uncanny, vastness... even that which takes us out of our body and unsettles or amazes us... this should be first and foremost understood as a relation of and to our body. These forms out in the world must also be in us. And also this didactic parsing of immediate experience and memory... well I appreciate the impulse to ask the correct question, but don't be fooled now... memory is Always wound up in present experience insofar as reflection in the moment, a notion of the self on the mirror side of our body from the world, is a part of that moment as well (our strongest recollections are also triggered by the body, the feel or the fragrance of a place)... unless you are deep in zazen. These are not simple questions, and seeming contradictions may threaten the edifice, but my thoughts might contribute.
Mang jumtor kalem mang
Pallasmaa is just trying to express someone thinking, not his mind
Which is probably exactly his mind, as he understands and i would also argue feels, as an always changing, blurred and vage entity so that his thinking actually evolves in a different kind of mind
Peter Zumthor struggled with the language barrier.
zumthor does not understand himself what is asking. very annoying
You can do better Juhani!
To simplify what is simple and has been talked about in a convoluted manner, they're talking about the phenomena of nostalgia and the atmosphere felt through your perception. They're talking about their (human condition) experiences, and how it has influenced their understanding of architectural design
why did u copy paste a previous comment?