Happy to see that most people criticise the ifsc for hosting and event in a place that was built by a state that abused human rights and killed natives that lived there before just to build a shitty city.
A clear downvote and non-watch from me. A fatal step into the wrong direction for sports climbing. We do not need to make climbing another commercial sport without ethics and a mafia-like organization at the top. There are too many sports like this already. It also totally contradicts the community standards like preservation of nature, cooperation in sending climbs, and respect for one another, regardless of divisive lines like nationality, gender, or (dis-)abilities.
@@GTCrais I am not generally opposed to holding climbing events in countries with questionable governments, if the event itself is organized properly in a proper location. In this case, the location is the red flag for me. This is the Wikipedia summary on the issue, I don't think I can put it better myself: "Neom's construction has also been criticised for environmental and human rights violations, with expatriate employees describing abusive working conditions and members of the local Howeitat tribe protesting against their forced expulsion.[13][14] Around 20,000 people are expected to be forcibly relocated.[15] Members of the Howeitat tribe have been killed resisting evictions, including Abdul Rahim al-Huwaiti who was killed by Saudi security forces under disputed circumstances.[16] Three other members of the tribe were also sentenced to death for resisting evictions.[17]" (Wikipedia, "Neom")
@@타코랑나쵸 its also a a totally unfeasible project from a purely financial and technological standpoint, its essentially just a giant vaporware development scam, so the fact people are being killed for it is even more disgusting
IFSC in Neom. They should be embarrassed but they won't be. This and all the other comments like it will be deleted an and they'll look the other way. Absolutely despicable.
I liked to see some other climbers than normal, makes it more tense. It took me a bit to understand the new format, I don't really know what to think of it yet. Might be cool, might be bad. The place looked super empty, that was weird. Most IFSC cups are looking crowded. Since all the comments are about NEOM and I do not know where or what it is I'll look into that.
@tipsudachaomuangkhong8342 Here, only the 4th problem will benefit from rest. Again, splitting into 2 slots makes an overall time less than 4 min. The last seconds in the first slot will be a waste most of the time.
@@mdegtiarev, Agathe says in the interfiew at the end that she does not think she clould have done the 4th boulder in 4 minutes straight. Usually the athletes do a lot of resting on the powerful problems, and if you take that into account, 2+2 minutes is more than 4. Pick yourself 2 hard boulders in a gym, try to do one in 4 minutes and the other one in 2+2, and you`ll see what is easyer.
It’s deeply disappointing to see the Women’s Boulder Final hosted in NEOM. This project is built on the displacement of communities and backed by a regime with a record of human rights abuses and suppression of dissent. Hosting a women’s event in a country with restrictive policies toward women is a clear case of sportswashing. It’s a betrayal of the sport’s values of inclusivity and respect. We should hold organizers accountable for prioritizing ethics over profit and spectacle. Climbing deserves better!
Neom ... questionable... 2min per boulder wtf ? I mean the problems looks wayy easier than usual. Very very very very bad decisions there. edit nvm it's 2 min then 2 other min. Wierd format nonetheless, and don't get me started on how athleles can see the beta on the final boulder
Why is it that once again, sport seems to think it is entirely separate from ethics? I’m am ashamed to see a sport I love and support associated with the known abuses of human rights and fundamental ethical considerations. Shame on you IFSC for thinking we would find this in any way acceptable.
That was pretty cool, the level of difficulty and fun seems to have made a massive jump. Has the IFSC just found a way to make a total of 5 walls in the comp?
Oh wow, Neom is actually a place now. From what I've seen on youtube, they should worry more about finishing their construction projects instead of holding sporting events. Nah, the cities vision is very futuristic so it will be fitting to try out this new 2 Min per problem format I heard about. Apparently they can cycle back if they don't make it up. Should be a good show. 😊
so the ukrainian climber said "I can’t treat Russian climbers one way and the rest of Russia otherwise. There’s no grey zone for me.”, but she participates in the neom games. great person...
@connordolan4597Lmao, it’s about the principle, what Saudi has done to Yemen is much worse than anything Russia did. Glaring lack of solidarity that really makes any claim to be standing up for oppressed people or against dictatorships totally hollow.
Too much trying to impose politics on sport. Its a corrosive thing and arguably not our business. Whiny west unable to manage its own affairs feels it has to stick its nose into other lands business. Bet if your inclination found itself in Jeddah you would be humble and silent. Guaranteed 👍🏼
@@gatosospechosop3 I did not know that Saudi Arabia has already murdered 300 000 yemen people, destroyed the yemen electricity system, invaded Yemen, occupied 20% of yemen country like Russia has done with Ukrai e.
i think 2 minutes is way too little, at least give them 2+ so they could get a decent second attempt with a moment to rest. also, what's the point in letting only 5 people attempt the last boulder, why leave out only one?
This was the saddest IFSC event I've ever seen. The skill level of the climbers was so weak and broad that the setters could not set anything without looking incompetent. Where were the stars? I didn't really expect to see Brook or Natalia but... oh forget it. Audience? A few cold speed buddies looking for some entertainment in a barren desert. Matt. You did your best to pump up this flat tire, but you lost credibility by not at least alluding to this Potemkin Village of a sporting event.
I suspect audience are 100% members of the competitor teams. Potemkin? Wikipedia says it's something Russian, but there is no Russians among the competitors.
Awful format . In the last boulder all the contestants can watch the others climbing!!!! WTF !!!! What if watching other climbers they see a different Beta and thanks to that they can climb the boulder at the next turn !!!! That's so silly
Contrary to 99.9% of the haters here, I've been to Saudi and it is a great country. You should go too, and realize your prejudices are mostly wrong. Same thing about Iran, a wonderful place.
Happy to see that most people criticise the ifsc for hosting and event in a place that was built by a state that abused human rights and killed natives that lived there before just to build a shitty city.
So no world cup in SLC next year, right?
@@AlexanderMamrashevlolllll
the old two wrongs make a right logic. very feeble.
That's literally every single nation that ever existed.
@@AlexanderMamrashevso let's continue like that, right?
A clear downvote and non-watch from me. A fatal step into the wrong direction for sports climbing. We do not need to make climbing another commercial sport without ethics and a mafia-like organization at the top. There are too many sports like this already. It also totally contradicts the community standards like preservation of nature, cooperation in sending climbs, and respect for one another, regardless of divisive lines like nationality, gender, or (dis-)abilities.
Explanation? I don't understand what you're talking about.
@@GTCrais natives were killed to build neom.
@@GTCrais I am not generally opposed to holding climbing events in countries with questionable governments, if the event itself is organized properly in a proper location. In this case, the location is the red flag for me. This is the Wikipedia summary on the issue, I don't think I can put it better myself:
"Neom's construction has also been criticised for environmental and human rights violations, with expatriate employees describing abusive working conditions and members of the local Howeitat tribe protesting against their forced expulsion.[13][14] Around 20,000 people are expected to be forcibly relocated.[15] Members of the Howeitat tribe have been killed resisting evictions, including Abdul Rahim al-Huwaiti who was killed by Saudi security forces under disputed circumstances.[16] Three other members of the tribe were also sentenced to death for resisting evictions.[17]" (Wikipedia, "Neom")
Holding an event in Neom is a disgrace...
Why? Genuinely curious
@@타코랑나쵸 The city murdered the natives in order to build the city and hold this event
@@jennysales-z8h builders are dying too
@@타코랑나쵸 its also a a totally unfeasible project from a purely financial and technological standpoint, its essentially just a giant vaporware development scam, so the fact people are being killed for it is even more disgusting
Is the IFSC so hungry for money and so lacking ethics in sport that they would participate at NEOM? What an embarrassment.
youre just now realizing this?? theyve been this way for years.
Whats up with neom?
Actually do want to know what happened?
Gross sportswashing
IFSC in Neom. They should be embarrassed but they won't be. This and all the other comments like it will be deleted an and they'll look the other way. Absolutely despicable.
I liked to see some other climbers than normal, makes it more tense. It took me a bit to understand the new format, I don't really know what to think of it yet. Might be cool, might be bad.
The place looked super empty, that was weird. Most IFSC cups are looking crowded.
Since all the comments are about NEOM and I do not know where or what it is I'll look into that.
2 min per problem? WTF?
they get 4 minutes it's just split up into 2 sections of 2 minutes bruh watch the event
@jaybird9451 2 time 2 min is not the same as 4 min.
This format is a mistake.
@@mdegtiarev if I were to compete, I'd probably prefer this rest and reset.
@tipsudachaomuangkhong8342 Here, only the 4th problem will benefit from rest.
Again, splitting into 2 slots makes an overall time less than 4 min. The last seconds in the first slot will be a waste most of the time.
@@mdegtiarev, Agathe says in the interfiew at the end that she does not think she clould have done the 4th boulder in 4 minutes straight. Usually the athletes do a lot of resting on the powerful problems, and if you take that into account, 2+2 minutes is more than 4. Pick yourself 2 hard boulders in a gym, try to do one in 4 minutes and the other one in 2+2, and you`ll see what is easyer.
mao is so god dam likeable
How about the normal 4min for all boulders and then 1min at the end to retry any of the boulders?
It’s deeply disappointing to see the Women’s Boulder Final hosted in NEOM. This project is built on the displacement of communities and backed by a regime with a record of human rights abuses and suppression of dissent. Hosting a women’s event in a country with restrictive policies toward women is a clear case of sportswashing. It’s a betrayal of the sport’s values of inclusivity and respect. We should hold organizers accountable for prioritizing ethics over profit and spectacle. Climbing deserves better!
Horrible format, horrible host country. IFSC is becoming the new Fifa. Shameful
Neom ... questionable... 2min per boulder wtf ? I mean the problems looks wayy easier than usual. Very very very very bad decisions there.
edit nvm it's 2 min then 2 other min. Wierd format nonetheless, and don't get me started on how athleles can see the beta on the final boulder
Why is it that once again, sport seems to think it is entirely separate from ethics? I’m am ashamed to see a sport I love and support associated with the known abuses of human rights and fundamental ethical considerations. Shame on you IFSC for thinking we would find this in any way acceptable.
That was pretty cool, the level of difficulty and fun seems to have made a massive jump. Has the IFSC just found a way to make a total of 5 walls in the comp?
My last comment was deleted, surprised that these aren’t all deleted as well lol
Hehe mine too. No big - wasn't neither to incite nor defame but evidently some questions / opinions not allowed.
SHAME again
Fantastique Agathe on that last boulder!
Sad that she chose to participate, surely there are better ways to make a bit of cash.
Oh wow, Neom is actually a place now. From what I've seen on youtube, they should worry more about finishing their construction projects instead of holding sporting events. Nah, the cities vision is very futuristic so it will be fitting to try out this new 2 Min per problem format I heard about. Apparently they can cycle back if they don't make it up. Should be a good show. 😊
so the ukrainian climber said "I can’t treat Russian climbers one way and the rest of Russia otherwise. There’s no grey zone for me.”, but she participates in the neom games.
great person...
@ who said that, pal?
@connordolan4597Lmao, it’s about the principle, what Saudi has done to Yemen is much worse than anything Russia did. Glaring lack of solidarity that really makes any claim to be standing up for oppressed people or against dictatorships totally hollow.
Too much trying to impose politics on sport. Its a corrosive thing and arguably not our business.
Whiny west unable to manage its own affairs feels it has to stick its nose into other lands business. Bet if your inclination found itself in Jeddah you would be humble and silent. Guaranteed 👍🏼
@@gatosospechosop3 I did not know that Saudi Arabia has already murdered 300 000 yemen people, destroyed the yemen electricity system, invaded Yemen, occupied 20% of yemen country like Russia has done with Ukrai e.
@@gatosospechosop3 no bud, russia is definitely beating saudi
It seems French anthem has funny words.
i think 2 minutes is way too little, at least give them 2+ so they could get a decent second attempt with a moment to rest. also, what's the point in letting only 5 people attempt the last boulder, why leave out only one?
It is not 2 minutes +, it is 2+2.....
Its that the first international canadian medal?
Sean Mccoll?
Certainly not
Sportswashing
I love this boulders 😍great work from the setters😊
I love the fact that the kids are built strong from day one.😂
This was the saddest IFSC event I've ever seen. The skill level of the climbers was so weak and broad that the setters could not set anything without looking incompetent. Where were the stars? I didn't really expect to see Brook or Natalia but... oh forget it. Audience? A few cold speed buddies looking for some entertainment in a barren desert. Matt. You did your best to pump up this flat tire, but you lost credibility by not at least alluding to this Potemkin Village of a sporting event.
I suspect audience are 100% members of the competitor teams.
Potemkin? Wikipedia says it's something Russian, but there is no Russians among the competitors.
Awful format . In the last boulder all the contestants can watch the others climbing!!!! WTF !!!! What if watching other climbers they see a different Beta and thanks to that they can climb the boulder at the next turn !!!! That's so silly
An absolute cliff hanger. They are all so brave. Top drama. Thanks for another great show.
Contrary to 99.9% of the haters here, I've been to Saudi and it is a great country. You should go too, and realize your prejudices are mostly wrong. Same thing about Iran, a wonderful place.
Did you go as a tourist or a worker under the kafala syste? We could sit down and talk with my Nepali friends..