those fume extractors work well but we lost two cats and an apprentice to one before we figured out the right suction i have a funnel on the portable dust vaccum that does a decent job too
Great demo. I was amazed at how far that was able to pull the fumes. I have been thinking about doing something to vent the fumes coming from my lathe.
Thanks Kevin, great tip. I use a 3M soft respirator with the 2091 cartridges. Fits under welding helmets just fine and no more black boogers after welding.
Had one like that for a while. The elastic headbend dies one day and I never got around to getting a new one. Always felt like I was suffocating when I wore it.
Thank you for the demonstration I had been debating on what type to get for my own shop. Seeing how far it could pull those fumes really helped me decide.
I think I might need to get an extractor. I've noticed my sinuses giving me problems. If you ever have open shop days I'd love to stop by and check out your set up. Thanks for sharing
Open studio is next month! Check my website and sign up for the newsletter. Or just give me a call and I can fill you in. Number is on my website as well.
I do a fair bit of stick welding and I sure do hate the smoke. I use my everlast welder as much as I can for practice so a fume extractor would be great to keep the area breathable.
Testing out binzel rab fume extraction mig torch this week, extracts from source, half the size hope its good. The portable extraction in this video have at work they just sit in corner doing nothing 😔
I wonder how necessary a fume extractor is for part-time MIG welding indoors in a confined / sealed garage that is ~20ft x 20ft x 12ft tall. It's winter right now and I want to weld in my closed garage and keep it closed for several hours at a time to hold in heat. Being cold out (around 40-50F) I have a propane heater to get the room up around 60-65 degrees. Burning propane produces CO (Carbon Monoxide) which is of course very dangerous in high amounts. And it will produce more CO than normal as oxygen levels decrease. I also know C25 shield gas (25% C02 /75% Argon) is not flammable but it does displace oxygen too and at some point if enough exists it can cause asphyxiation just as CO does. CO2 is heavier than CO and I don't know if standard air (78% nitrogen / 21% oxygen) maybe sits somewhat in the middle. Therefore I am thinking of buying an 02 (oxygen) meter / sensor to stay aware of what the oxygen % level is and then open a door as necessary as it lowers below a safe margin (and if I haven't already passed out lol). - Regardless, the goal is to keep my hot air inside as much as possible because having to re-heat a room every hour or less with propane will quickly get expensive. And If I use something like a fume extractor or blower vented outside it's obviously going to suck out my hot air along with any fumes or smoke. I'd also guess that unless the extractor is directly over the weld, it may not grab all of the C25 gas either. In any case, the more C25 there is in the air it will further reduce oxygen content which again, will in turn help to raise the CO content from the heater. Anyway, have you ever given thought to this and what do you do? I realize your climate in Phoenix is pretty mild even in winter months and that you probably don't need to heat and or vent much.
I would look at just a blower to vent to the outside. You will be making lots of heat with the welding but the smoke and toxic fumes will build up and you will have problems for that if you stay closed up tight. I will leave a door cracked open just a little to help with the air flow in my studio. I have 2 large vents up high on 2 walls so fumes can rise and vent out. I like the fume extractor that I have but it does take up some floor space.
@@KevincaronSculpture Yeah, I'm very limited on space. I think I'm going to go the DIY route with a portable 8" ventilator from HF and some 10" flex duct. I also saw another video with a guy who successfully rigged up a shield with an umbrella and has his duct on a gantry arm. An umbrella is likely a little flammable but it did a good job and could also be sealed with aluminum foil duct tape I suppose. Lastly, I haven't been able to find any concrete info on dangers / side effects from C25 aside from the asphyxiation aspect. Do you know of any in particular? I know MIG doesn't really produce much smoke but whenever so I'd like to know the specific carcinogens from burning steel? (I know there are some with stainless, aluminum, etc). - PS..enjoy the rain. We got really hammered today in San Diego. Cheers!
Sorry, really not up on what kind of ick MIG welding puts out. I just know that the black buggers I blow out of my nose can't be doing me any good. Your dyi idea sounds like it should work just fine. Just be careful and think things through. Thanks for watching!
Good demo vid, thanks for sharing man!!! One question, what is that fume extractor air volume rated for? How many CFM was it moving during the shot? Thanks and good luck!!!
Have to check the specs to be sure but not much. I have it running on 220volt so I would assume less than 5 amps. As to grinder dust, I don't think it will work for that. The dust will clog the filters very quickly.
No I didn't make this extractor. It is vented out the top of the unit so it has 3 very fine filters inside. Don't remember the name off the top of my head.
The one in my dad's shop is powered by a 13.3 Hp engine and when you turn it on you can feel the air moving inside the entire shop. The only bummer is that you have to move the pieces to the "working area" ...
I quit in a macine shop a few years ago because it was filled with welding smoke and fumes . It was a small hillbilly operation , he said oh it wont hurt you ! The owner and other guy both have heart problems. Its bad for you I wont work in it, not worth it to me when it can be easily prevented .
@@KevincaronSculpture You can make one pretty easily as well using those inline blowers from Lowes , home depot , and pvc pipe . It looks really good to and you can paint the pipes if desired . You put a restriction plate in them / slider so you can control the amount of restriction . They are great for cnc machines as well and no expensive , messy , unrelible filters to deal with !
You are correct. They start at around 3k for a full size unit. Not the little micro bench top ones. I chose an Avani fume extractor because it is the only one I found with a lifetime Warrantee and it has an air hose inlet to self clean the filters. I weld part time as a side business though. I told my wife “I can spend $5,500 now on the Avani or or $500,000 later on fighting cancer. It’s up to you”. Ha ha. She couldn’t say no. It’s all in how you sell it to the wife. I will say. It is amazing. And a tax write off.
I started off with a harbor freight air mover and flexible ducting that is made to fit the air mover. Bought it at harbor freight. The whole set up was around $100 I think. I ran the duct to a sheet of plywood with a hole cut out of it and attached that in front of my shop window to vent the smoke out of my building. It worked pretty good for the price. Got me by for a few years.
survivalguy fyi I think I’m going to look into something like that for the time being. I’m working out of a double car attached garage and the smoke is getting into the house. My wife’s not to happy with that.
shockadellick , I hear you. That’s actually what I started off with. It worked OK but I have a shop full of equipment so I was really only able to weld in one designated spot in my shop due to the long vent hose dragging everywhere. I couldn’t really position the vent fan correctly. It really needs to be above your work piece. When I got the fume extractor, it really was a good upgrade. Having the extractor arm let me position right where I needed it for the best extraction. I can also roll it around anywhere in my shop. Great when welding big and oddly shaped things. I do agree and recommend your suggestion for people on a budget. Really is no comparison though. The Avani fume extractor rocks!
They’ll definitely remove the smoke and particulate but won’t all the actual dangerous gases just go thru the filter and be exhausted back into the room?
Cut a circle hole in your wall for a outlet hose. Buy a 6 to 8 inch inline fan. Attach the outlet to the hole in the wall. Modify a hood to attach to your inlet inline fan, and pipe the crap outdoors. Cheap and very effective. The environment can handle it. Millions if not billons, somewhere on this planet are welding out doors. So to the nay-sayers please don't chime in how its hurting the planet to pipe it out without a filter. Those who believe its wrong to weld without a filter...please stop welding outdoors.
This is great but, if you move realy often or have big parts than you need to take this extraktor every time with you . And when you are grinding something this will not help realy. I use a Speedglas 9100 FX XXi with an Adflo System it works great and you can wear this helmet all the day and it will blow you clean air in your lungs . After I used it once i will never go back to put some Dustmask and a faceshild on for grinding :) You realy need to try it out .
There are also cheaper manners of fume extractors. That, and really nice PAPR hoods aren't totally out of budget if you're a career metal worker/welder. Either way, do something about fumes. Don't breath that stuff in. Metal and gas fumes, as well as particulates, are the last realms of safety that welding culture is finally realizing, and most of the long-term health effects of welding are mostly from what's inhaled in the process. One old-timer I work with has COPD and the other has Parkinson's like tremors.
those fume extractors work well but we lost two cats and an apprentice to one before we figured out the right suction
i have a funnel on the portable dust vaccum that does a decent job too
Yeah I can't imagine these people who sub to this kind of channel having the money to dump into a glorified inline fan with a filter on it .
@@FrequencyOfThought I do.
@@thesweetcabinoffgrid7988 Sure you do preper boy
@@FrequencyOfThought considering I own a stainless company, yeah this Prepper boy does
@@thesweetcabinoffgrid7988 Stainless silverware or ?
Great demo. I was amazed at how far that was able to pull the fumes. I have been thinking about doing something to vent the fumes coming from my lathe.
Thanks Kevin, great tip.
I use a 3M soft respirator with the 2091 cartridges. Fits under welding helmets just fine and no more black boogers after welding.
Had one like that for a while. The elastic headbend dies one day and I never got around to getting a new one. Always felt like I was suffocating when I wore it.
Works, i usually turn a fan on to blow fumes out side.
Thanks for the video, have amgood day.
I have my TIG setup in my apartment. need a miniature version of this for Stainless welding. right now using fan above the cooking range.
So build an extension for the range hood! Add some piping and you are good to go.
Thank you for the demonstration I had been debating on what type to get for my own shop. Seeing how far it could pull those fumes really helped me decide.
Great video, that’s amazing how far it would pull the fumes from. Could you tell us what make and model your using.
that's my question, too. Very good demonstration.
I saw him post this below: "www.air-quality-eng.com And the model is an M66V."
I think I might need to get an extractor. I've noticed my sinuses giving me problems. If you ever have open shop days I'd love to stop by and check out your set up. Thanks for sharing
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Thanks, Kevin I will look into getting one for my shop also. maybe that's the reason I can't breathe.
You are good friend,
Thanks, that demonstration helped quite a bit
Amazing how well this thing works?
I do a fair bit of stick welding and I sure do hate the smoke. I use my everlast welder as much as I can for practice so a fume extractor would be great to keep the area breathable.
I hate the noise but I can sure breath easier.
Great explanation. I always use a p100 repsirator. Proper fume extraction and ventilation is also great, but id use both for extra satey
Got to take care of the lungs! You only get 2 and it's kind of important! Thanks for watching and posting.
My shop uses fume extractors that are part of the welding gun, so the fumes are extracted right at the source. Extremely effective.
That sounds like a much better way to do this. Have to get a look at that setup someday.
@@KevincaronSculpture I brought Cal OSHA into my shop for 3 days and tested various things, nothing compared for keeping my guys safe
Is there an affordable fume extractor available? All the ones I've seen are super expensive.
It's called DIY I made mine in 1 day from shit I sourced locally from harbor freight and hardware stores.
Is it better to do fume extraction from the top or the bottom?
I would assume that the rising hot fumes from welding will be better collected from the top.
@@KevincaronSculpture That's kind of what I've been thinking.
Can you use a vacuum cleaner to suck welding fumes?
Yes, but that is the wrong type of filter to do any good.
@@KevincaronSculpture Do you need a suction vent for electric spot welder?
Where did you get your fume extractor
www.air-quality-eng.com/products/f33v-air-filtration-system/
Kevin, excellent video and great demonstration. I’m building one right now. Your video was very helpful. A big thumbs up.
Glad it was helpful!
What about the TIG process? Do you need the same type of ventilation?
Not as much but is nice to have.
Do you know how many CFM the extractor has? That would be useful information.
Never mine i see it below 1250 CFM right.
Testing out binzel rab fume extraction mig torch this week, extracts from source, half the size hope its good. The portable extraction in this video have at work they just sit in corner doing nothing 😔
Sounds great!
Nice demo. What brand/model did you get? Thanks, Andy
Found it!! www.air-quality-eng.com And the model is an M66V.
I wonder how necessary a fume extractor is for part-time MIG welding indoors in a confined / sealed garage that is ~20ft x 20ft x 12ft tall. It's winter right now and I want to weld in my closed garage and keep it closed for several hours at a time to hold in heat. Being cold out (around 40-50F) I have a propane heater to get the room up around 60-65 degrees. Burning propane produces CO (Carbon Monoxide) which is of course very dangerous in high amounts. And it will produce more CO than normal as oxygen levels decrease. I also know C25 shield gas (25% C02 /75% Argon) is not flammable but it does displace oxygen too and at some point if enough exists it can cause asphyxiation just as CO does. CO2 is heavier than CO and I don't know if standard air (78% nitrogen / 21% oxygen) maybe sits somewhat in the middle. Therefore I am thinking of buying an 02 (oxygen) meter / sensor to stay aware of what the oxygen % level is and then open a door as necessary as it lowers below a safe margin (and if I haven't already passed out lol). - Regardless, the goal is to keep my hot air inside as much as possible because having to re-heat a room every hour or less with propane will quickly get expensive. And If I use something like a fume extractor or blower vented outside it's obviously going to suck out my hot air along with any fumes or smoke. I'd also guess that unless the extractor is directly over the weld, it may not grab all of the C25 gas either. In any case, the more C25 there is in the air it will further reduce oxygen content which again, will in turn help to raise the CO content from the heater. Anyway, have you ever given thought to this and what do you do? I realize your climate in Phoenix is pretty mild even in winter months and that you probably don't need to heat and or vent much.
I would look at just a blower to vent to the outside. You will be making lots of heat with the welding but the smoke and toxic fumes will build up and you will have problems for that if you stay closed up tight. I will leave a door cracked open just a little to help with the air flow in my studio. I have 2 large vents up high on 2 walls so fumes can rise and vent out. I like the fume extractor that I have but it does take up some floor space.
@@KevincaronSculpture Yeah, I'm very limited on space. I think I'm going to go the DIY route with a portable 8" ventilator from HF and some 10" flex duct. I also saw another video with a guy who successfully rigged up a shield with an umbrella and has his duct on a gantry arm. An umbrella is likely a little flammable but it did a good job and could also be sealed with aluminum foil duct tape I suppose. Lastly, I haven't been able to find any concrete info on dangers / side effects from C25 aside from the asphyxiation aspect. Do you know of any in particular? I know MIG doesn't really produce much smoke but whenever so I'd like to know the specific carcinogens from burning steel? (I know there are some with stainless, aluminum, etc). - PS..enjoy the rain. We got really hammered today in San Diego. Cheers!
Sorry, really not up on what kind of ick MIG welding puts out. I just know that the black buggers I blow out of my nose can't be doing me any good. Your dyi idea sounds like it should work just fine. Just be careful and think things through. Thanks for watching!
What portable fume extractor are you using? And thanks for sharing!
www.air-quality-eng.com And the model is an M66V.
Here is the one my friend is using now zhqizhou.en.alibaba.com
A backdraft fixture works well in upholstery glue applications, that same idea would work well for fumes
Just need a bigger sucker to get all the fumes.
Hey Kevin, do you think 750 cfm fume extraction is enough for welding? I have a limited budget, so the 1200s are a bit out of reach.
Some is better than nothing! Yes, get it and breathe a little bit easier.
So as a follow-up I found the Baileigh FE-1200 and that has 1100 CFM and that's the one I'm going with I'm sure it'll be great!
@@KevincaronSculpture thanks - getting the Baileigh FE-1200
What fume extractor did you settle on? I'm still looking and my budget is not that good.
One of these..www.air-quality-eng.com/products/m33v-air-filtration-system/
Good demo vid, thanks for sharing man!!! One question, what is that fume extractor air volume rated for? How many CFM was it moving during the shot? Thanks and good luck!!!
1250 cfm running on 220 volt like this one.
What is the power consumption of a device like this and could it extract grinding dust?
Have to check the specs to be sure but not much. I have it running on 220volt so I would assume less than 5 amps. As to grinder dust, I don't think it will work for that. The dust will clog the filters very quickly.
Thanks Kevin. did you make the extractor? Is it vented outside? If vented back in space, how is it filtered?
No I didn't make this extractor. It is vented out the top of the unit so it has 3 very fine filters inside. Don't remember the name off the top of my head.
Hi, at what cfm do your exhast fan can held? I think the suction rate will depend on the fan quality to
I think it's 1200 cfm. Have to check the book and it's not where I am.
have you had any issues with the fume extractor pulling argon away from the weld with mig?
No problems that I have seen.
As always great content, thank you for the knowledge
The one in my dad's shop is powered by a 13.3 Hp engine and when you turn it on you can feel the air moving inside the entire shop. The only bummer is that you have to move the pieces to the "working area" ...
Now that is a fume sucker!!!!
Thank you for watching and posting.
I need that for my shop, so tell us about the extractor. What kind the ,big one how much.
Will post more details in a day or so.
Found it!! www.air-quality-eng.com And the model is an M66V.
Thank you!
I won’t do any operation at work, whether cutting, grinding and linishing, then there’s all the other welding processes I do. Best thing ever....
Thanks for watching and posting Phil!
Kevin Caron, Artist and you and your good mrs keep up the great work you guys both do, and we will keep on watching for sure.👍
Even with tig after a while the fumes start to make you sick. You need extraction no matter what or how you're welding
If you weld all day in a closed space, you should have better ventilation. I only weld for a few minutes at a time and have not had a problem.
Turn the nozzle a bit to horizontal and put it next to the workpiece. You want to draw fumes away from your face.
Kevin, what brand/model fume extractor is that. Works a treat!
Don't remember off the top of my head.
Will check in the morning and post the name and model.
Found it!! www.air-quality-eng.com And the model is an M66V.
@@KevincaronSculpture Thank you Kevin
Snazzy! Someday... I'll add to the list. 😁
@Brandon S any recommendations for a draw fan? The rest would be no issue.
I quit in a macine shop a few years ago because it was filled with welding smoke and fumes . It was a small hillbilly operation , he said oh it wont hurt you ! The owner and other guy both have heart problems. Its bad for you I wont work in it, not worth it to me when it can be easily prevented .
Amen Brother!
@@KevincaronSculpture You can make one pretty easily as well using those inline blowers from Lowes , home depot , and pvc pipe . It looks really good to and you can paint the pipes if desired . You put a restriction plate in them / slider so you can control the amount of restriction . They are great for cnc machines as well and no expensive , messy , unrelible filters to deal with !
and metal fabrication shops that don't have these it's dark as a cave. imagine what that does to the lungs
Boy i sure wish you could of showed us what kind of fan you got
Sorry but it seems Covid killed them. Website is no longer there.
@@KevincaronSculpture sorry, but what does that have to do with anything ? …. Do you mean his you tube channel ?
Thanks for the video and I bet your order wasn’t correct. Cheers Peter
Anything is possible now days.
I find them quite expensive, if you’re a hobby welder.
Very true!
You are correct. They start at around 3k for a full size unit. Not the little micro bench top ones. I chose an Avani fume extractor because it is the only one I found with a lifetime Warrantee and it has an air hose inlet to self clean the filters. I weld part time as a side business though. I told my wife “I can spend $5,500 now on the Avani or or $500,000 later on fighting cancer. It’s up to you”. Ha ha. She couldn’t say no. It’s all in how you sell it to the wife. I will say. It is amazing. And a tax write off.
I started off with a harbor freight air mover and flexible ducting that is made to fit the air mover. Bought it at harbor freight. The whole set up was around $100 I think. I ran the duct to a sheet of plywood with a hole cut out of it and attached that in front of my shop window to vent the smoke out of my building. It worked pretty good for the price. Got me by for a few years.
survivalguy fyi I think I’m going to look into something like that for the time being. I’m working out of a double car attached garage and the smoke is getting into the house. My wife’s not to happy with that.
shockadellick , I hear you. That’s actually what I started off with. It worked OK but I have a shop full of equipment so I was really only able to weld in one designated spot in my shop due to the long vent hose dragging everywhere. I couldn’t really position the vent fan correctly. It really needs to be above your work piece. When I got the fume extractor, it really was a good upgrade. Having the extractor arm let me position right where I needed it for the best extraction. I can also roll it around anywhere in my shop. Great when welding big and oddly shaped things. I do agree and recommend your suggestion for people on a budget. Really is no comparison though. The Avani fume extractor rocks!
Looks like you need to move back from the weld a bit. You'll also be able to see what your doing a little better
I am always moving this thing around! It never seems to be in the "correct" place. Thank you for watching and posting.
They’ll definitely remove the smoke and particulate but won’t all the actual dangerous gases just go thru the filter and be exhausted back into the room?
I know there are 3 different types of filters in this machine.
Pretty sure it is getting out all the nasty stuff.
True there’s probably an activated carbon in there. The one I have access to is just a huge folded-paper filter
I fully agree with you that they are useful and $$, but for a home hobbyist I guess I will still have to stay with my fan.
For not much $$ and a little effort, you can get pretty close. th-cam.com/video/1WZKSfNKDGU/w-d-xo.html
Cut a circle hole in your wall for a outlet hose. Buy a 6 to 8 inch inline fan. Attach the outlet to the hole in the wall. Modify a hood to attach to your inlet inline fan, and pipe the crap outdoors. Cheap and very effective. The environment can handle it.
Millions if not billons, somewhere on this planet are welding out doors. So to the nay-sayers please don't chime in how its hurting the planet to pipe it out without a filter.
Those who believe its wrong to weld without a filter...please stop welding outdoors.
I like that idea. I have a exhaust fan now but it is not that close to where I weld. A flexible hose could make all the difference. Thanks :-)
I've not welded anything for a couple of months now, yet as soon as you started my imagination could smell the fumes. Lol
Don you use fume extractor while operating ?
The only problem, if it is too close, can take away shielding gas from mig and tig welding
Very True!
The manual says 15 to 18 inches away.
They should really integrate a small hose at the business end of Stick and MIG welders to suck the fumes from that point.
That sounds like a great idea! Have to play with this and see how it works.
They do...its just a fairly expencive setup as it has to remove the fumes but not affect the gas flow.
This is great but, if you move realy often or have big parts than you need to take this extraktor every time with you . And when you are grinding something this will not help realy. I use a Speedglas 9100 FX XXi with an Adflo System it works great and you can wear this helmet all the day and it will blow you clean air in your lungs . After I used it once i will never go back to put some Dustmask and a faceshild on for grinding :) You realy need to try it out .
Will give it a look and see how it works.
Thanks for the tip.
@@KevincaronSculpture I'm Sure you will love it ;)
I really like my Speedglas 9100, but it doesn't protect the others in the house, so I'm thinking of getting a fume extraction system.
Nice 👍👍👍👍
1:04 now the big question is : isn't it too late ?!
Probably yeah, it's too late.
There are also cheaper manners of fume extractors. That, and really nice PAPR hoods aren't totally out of budget if you're a career metal worker/welder. Either way, do something about fumes. Don't breath that stuff in. Metal and gas fumes, as well as particulates, are the last realms of safety that welding culture is finally realizing, and most of the long-term health effects of welding are mostly from what's inhaled in the process. One old-timer I work with has COPD and the other has Parkinson's like tremors.
Important information here!!!! Thank you for watching and posting.
Kevin, Just to be nosey (ha ha) what are you smoking? LOL. My regards to you and the voice! I don’t think mig and tig have the same amount of fumes?
Stick and Mig is what I was thinking. Not sure what I actually said!
Kevin Caron, Artist I meant does stick create more smoke than mig and tig? The rest of my comment was an attempt to be funny or punny.
5000 dollars for clean air
TIG 1 - MIG 0
I am still using the cheapest fume extractor, My Nose!
Self Cleaning as well!