I have this Product with the two containers and filter. What I do is use the first container for gray water and the second one for the clean water. What is nice with the gray water container is that there can be Multiple containers filled up and still use the other container that is full.I really like the Sagen products,this container and filter is great for the vehicle,camping,cottage and emergency preparedness.Sagen also has a backpacking filter for personal use.
The more I look into this product (I messed around comparing it to the Lifesaver Jerry can), the more I take this thing seriously. Floppy looks aside, it seems that it is a simple enough design to make it field repairable in a pinch (whereas the LS can has parts that can fail). However, where I am most interested is the filter itself. If I read their material properly, then this can be used, dried, and stored without any issues, and can be frozen and thawed and still function (this would need to be confirmed). The LS can from the reviews I've seen, need to be kept wet once it is opened, so for a weekend warrior it might be more of hassle. The only two questions I have is if the filter is "end of life" style (meaning it will not allow water to flow once the life of the filter is gone) and whether the hoses are non-kink, otherwise all that hanging around (and storage) will eventually cause a failure. 🤔
Great points and questions. My understanding is also that it doesn't need to kept wet once used originally, which was a huge win for me. As for the end of life question, that's a good one. Let me see if I can get an answer from Sagan and I'll post up!
Hey buddy, here’s what I got back from them: Yes, our filters can be wet, dried and reused and even frozen or dropped and it will not ruin the filter or cause it to fail. I agree that the tubing makes it look flimsy, but it works. The tubing is pretty thick and high quality. I guess it could kink or get damaged but you would have to be pretty rough with it. The nice thing is the tubing can be replaced easily and you can get it at any hardware store. Depending on the water used in the container, the tubing will discolor and turn yellow on the outside of the tubing due to the chlorine in the water, like tap water, if you fill it with tap water and take it out with you. The tubing will need to be replaced at some point. End of life: Our filters are tested to their end of life which means that we put extremely contaminated water through them and tested the results after every 25 gallons. Before doing each 25 gallons, the water was contaminated again and we did that until the filter no longer removed the required amounts to be considered safe. Our filters will filter what we say they will and if you are not putting that contaminated of water through them, like tap water, then you will get more gallons out of them. I hope that all makes sense. Let me know if you have further questions. As you can tell, they’re really great and helpful there, 😄.
@@AllThingsOverlanding Thabks for the response!! Pretty much what I assumed and is a good filter trait! Didn't quite answer the question with regards to when the filter needs replacement if it stops allowing flow. I would imagine it has it but I couldn't confirm it.
@@kyleseaverson5178 Yeah, that’s what I was thinking. I would say probably the safest way is just to look at the maximum number of gallons that can filter and then calculate your usage and round up and plan to replace at that interval. Even with as much as I try to go I still will probably actually use the filter a couple times a year so I may just make a rule that every three or four years I replace it anyways.
Thanks for your video! I have 2 questions: 1. Is there a quick way to depressurize the can if you're finished filling your bottle but the can's still pressurized? I know if you pull off the air pump hose it'll depressurize but would prefer if there was a quicker way to do it. 2. Does everything still work as well when the water level in the can is low? It seems if the water level drops below the top of the filter you could be forcing air through the filter instead of the water, which would defeat the whole system. Can you speak to whether it still works or if there's a minimum water level required to force water through the filter?
No problem! Good questions. So, I have just unscrewed the cap and that pretty much instantly releases the pressure and doesn't seem to cause any problems. I've never really run the water level super low on it so I can't say that I've had any problems, but I've also not gotten so low that it might have been a problem.
@@AllThingsOverlanding You overland and camp and have never run the water low?? what??? Would be a helpful simple test to put 1/2 gallon of water in the jug and see how many pumps it takes to pressurize and if it will empty all of the water or not. If not, how much water is left in the jug?
I have this Product with the two containers and filter. What I do is use the first container for gray water and the second one for the clean water. What is nice with the gray water container is that there can be Multiple containers filled up and still use the other container that is full.I really like the Sagen products,this container and filter is great for the vehicle,camping,cottage and emergency preparedness.Sagen also has a backpacking filter for personal use.
It's great stuff and I'm still using it today! Sounds like you've got a great set up!
Love it. Nobody wants duck water and end up with lake flu.
Nice review and you need water filtration.
Thanks man! I really like this system and can't wait to use it on longer trips to stretch my water supply.
I have the hydroblu 4 gallon can with shower hook up.
Nice! Do you like it?
The more I look into this product (I messed around comparing it to the Lifesaver Jerry can), the more I take this thing seriously. Floppy looks aside, it seems that it is a simple enough design to make it field repairable in a pinch (whereas the LS can has parts that can fail). However, where I am most interested is the filter itself. If I read their material properly, then this can be used, dried, and stored without any issues, and can be frozen and thawed and still function (this would need to be confirmed). The LS can from the reviews I've seen, need to be kept wet once it is opened, so for a weekend warrior it might be more of hassle. The only two questions I have is if the filter is "end of life" style (meaning it will not allow water to flow once the life of the filter is gone) and whether the hoses are non-kink, otherwise all that hanging around (and storage) will eventually cause a failure. 🤔
Great points and questions. My understanding is also that it doesn't need to kept wet once used originally, which was a huge win for me. As for the end of life question, that's a good one. Let me see if I can get an answer from Sagan and I'll post up!
Hey buddy, here’s what I got back from them:
Yes, our filters can be wet, dried and reused and even frozen or dropped and it will not ruin the filter or cause it to fail. I agree that the tubing makes it look flimsy, but it works. The tubing is pretty thick and high quality. I guess it could kink or get damaged but you would have to be pretty rough with it. The nice thing is the tubing can be replaced easily and you can get it at any hardware store. Depending on the water used in the container, the tubing will discolor and turn yellow on the outside of the tubing due to the chlorine in the water, like tap water, if you fill it with tap water and take it out with you. The tubing will need to be replaced at some point.
End of life: Our filters are tested to their end of life which means that we put extremely contaminated water through them and tested the results after every 25 gallons. Before doing each 25 gallons, the water was contaminated again and we did that until the filter no longer removed the required amounts to be considered safe. Our filters will filter what we say they will and if you are not putting that contaminated of water through them, like tap water, then you will get more gallons out of them.
I hope that all makes sense. Let me know if you have further questions.
As you can tell, they’re really great and helpful there, 😄.
@@AllThingsOverlanding Thabks for the response!!
Pretty much what I assumed and is a good filter trait! Didn't quite answer the question with regards to when the filter needs replacement if it stops allowing flow. I would imagine it has it but I couldn't confirm it.
@@kyleseaverson5178 Yeah, that’s what I was thinking. I would say probably the safest way is just to look at the maximum number of gallons that can filter and then calculate your usage and round up and plan to replace at that interval. Even with as much as I try to go I still will probably actually use the filter a couple times a year so I may just make a rule that every three or four years I replace it anyways.
Youre comparing a filter that is good for 700 gallons to one that is good for 5000
Thanks for your video!
I have 2 questions:
1. Is there a quick way to depressurize the can if you're finished filling your bottle but the can's still pressurized? I know if you pull off the air pump hose it'll depressurize but would prefer if there was a quicker way to do it.
2. Does everything still work as well when the water level in the can is low? It seems if the water level drops below the top of the filter you could be forcing air through the filter instead of the water, which would defeat the whole system. Can you speak to whether it still works or if there's a minimum water level required to force water through the filter?
No problem! Good questions. So, I have just unscrewed the cap and that pretty much instantly releases the pressure and doesn't seem to cause any problems. I've never really run the water level super low on it so I can't say that I've had any problems, but I've also not gotten so low that it might have been a problem.
@@AllThingsOverlanding You overland and camp and have never run the water low?? what??? Would be a helpful simple test to put 1/2 gallon of water in the jug and see how many pumps it takes to pressurize and if it will empty all of the water or not. If not, how much water is left in the jug?