I used to find James so pompous and facetiously dismissive to ppl who disagreed with him. But after a long meandering journey of exploration I found myself at the steps of predestination and now Im getting him completely. This the exact line by line analysis of Romans 9 I been looking for. Jim Brown from Grace & Truth though brought me here
Same here. What I appreciate is that he does all he can to accurately represent the views of those he believes are contrary to what the Bible teaches, he actually listens, and then calmly "destroys" their arguments using consistent hermeneutics.
@@mikkellowe1270 Paul Washer is a great guy to listen to if you're ever feeling too good about yourself. But if I had to listen to him on a frequent basis I'd probably get depression lol
I cant say enough good things about Dr. White. SO CONSISTENT. SO GOOD. I've even heard people say that they arent Christians, but if they ever would be, it would be because Dr. White's work is so consistent and so good. God has really used him for his Kingdom!
I love this explanation of Romans chapter 9. I am so thankful God pulled me out of the IFB movement and gave me repentance of my sins and saving-faith in the Gospel of Christ Jesus my Savior. Thankfully, my family and I are now in a church that believes like brother Dr. James White teaches concerning the Scriptures. Don't get me wrong, I don't mean we determine what to believe according to brother Dr. James White, but rather we believe the Bible the same way brother Dr. James White teaches about it.
or BE a church like that! If you can't find one, join one and offer to teach or help explain whenever you have opportunity. Or start a home study group! @@susiequsie1980
I say do whatever it takes to learn! I listen to things over and over and over, and fortunately it's easy to "rewind" if you want to hear a specific comment or exclamation or 'point' again to get the full context. I praise God for those who are pressing in and making learning the Word a priority. You will be able to help others at your church and to be better able to answer questions a non-believer may have.
Hate to say this, James’ explanation is biblical. He does not appeal to opinion, philosophy, man’s sense of justice or righteousness, false accusation, innuendo, or name calling to defend the reformed theology. 👍
Excellent exposition from sound exegesis. Romans 9 is the tell all chapter for whether or not people truly believe the Bible to be the Word of God. The amount of eisogymnastics people do to deny that God alone is completely free and sovereign is astounding and sad.
Excellent exegesis...this also says that no matter who we vote for in Nov, 2024, Eternal Sovereign Creator God, will install HIS choice in the Presidency according to Dan.4:17, 35 !!
Rom 13:1-2: ¹ Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. ² Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
Yes, people just don't like what it says. He's the potter, we are the clay. Does not the potter have right over the clay ! That's tough, but it couldn't be any clearer. Men just don't like it. It's tough, but that's what it does indeed say.
The blind leading the blind. I’m very sorry for all of you guys that are blindly following this blind man. My warning to you is that you would leave from following him and start reading the Bible for yourselves.
He doesn't cover the end of the chapter when Paul explains EXACTLY why some individuals - Jew or Gentile - attain righteousness and some don't. White is so intent on ranting against an imagined lightweight objector to Calvinism that he doesn't even finish talking about Paul's argument. Thus he draws an incomplete conclusion.
The end of the chapter explains that we are not saved from works, but through faith. its not related to James' larger point, so no need to exegete that.
Rom 8:28-30: ²⁸ And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. ²⁹ For whom he did FOREKNOW, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. ³⁰ Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. Foreknow ! Not knowing in advance. Rom 11:2: ² God hath not cast away his people which he FOREKNEW. Wot ye not what the Scripture saith of Elijah? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying, the same word is also in this vers. So did they choose themselves ? ---- John 6:37,44: ³⁷ All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. … ⁴⁴ No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. What with that ? --- PS: Acts 13:48: ⁴⁸ And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed. Please explain me also this. God bless you
"You should be surprised that God loved Jakob." Actually, no, because I read the Bible instead of Calvin, and the Bible says that God IS love. Love is an attribute of God. So you can no more switch off God's love than you can his holiness.
@@alihoussney7870 There are multiple places in Scripture where the contrast of love and hate is used to demonstrate a strong preference of one thing/person over another. Romans 9 does NOT teach that God decides before people are born whether they are loved (saved) or hated (damned). In fact, you do not even get to the end of chapter 9 before Paul reiterates exactly why some Jews were saved or lost (they tried to obtain the promises of God by works rather than faith). What Romans 9 says is that God can choose or not choose anyone he wants for any task he wants, and he doesn't have to explain himself. If he wants to choose Mary to give birth to Jesus, or knock Paul down and blind him to convert him, or cause a tree to fall and kill one of your children, or wipe out a whole nation because they are wicked and reprobate, that is his prerogative. None of that means that some people get no opportunity whatsoever to repent because God hates them. Consider this in light of Romans 9: II Tim 2: 20 Now in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and silver but also of wood and clay, some for honorable use, some for dishonorable. 21 Therefore, if anyone cleanses himself from what is dishonorable, he will be a vessel for honorable use, set apart as holy, useful to the master of the house, ready for every good work. 22 So flee youthful passions and pursue righteousness, faith, love, and peace, along with those who call on the Lord from a pure heart. 23 Have nothing to do with foolish, ignorant controversies; you know that they breed quarrels. 24 And the Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but kind to everyone, able to teach, patiently enduring evil, 25 correcting his opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth, 26 and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, after being captured by him to do his will.
@@EmWarElIt is true God is love. But it is also true that none of us deserve God's love. We have all sinned against God even though He is love. Him making the choice to love us is a blessing we don't deserve and we can understand what an amazing thing He has done in loving Jacob. He gave His Son for us out of love, but all have turned from God. God's love and grace is not something we deserve and we can absolutely be amazed when He extends His love to those that do not deserve it.
I love James as a brother and love his book the forgotten Trinity but def disagree with his Reformed Theology. You should read/study the Potters promise for a different perspective on Rom 8:28-30 and Rom ch 9.
Faith and obedience go hand in hand. Baptism in water is a part of that obedience. He intercedes for those who believe and are baptized Mark 16:15-16, Acts 2:38.
He said we are justified by grace, justified by the blood of Christ, and justified by faith. The Bible says we are justified by grace THROUGH faith. Little different.
Almighty God endured (keyword: endured) with long suffering the vessels of wrath, that He prepared? Doesn’t make sense. That would make sense if he gave the fallen up to their desires, after much long suffering.
How did He become the firstborn? Did He not do all God's will, thus becoming the one and only man to conform to the image of His Son? Jesus said I did not come to do my own will but the will of my Father: John 6:38
Yeshua was FOREKNOWN ; chosen ; The Elect One ; as with all His brethren ; not according to works ; but by Him who calls ; as the twins were determined, before they'd done anything good or bad ; that the purposes of God according to election might stand ; not of works, but of Him who calls.. Therefore, it is not of the one who wills, nor of the one who runs, but of God who shows mercy.. You mean, it's totally up to God?.. Then, how can He find fault?. Ahhh ; there's your conundrum.. So you'll either believe in the perplexity of Godly Sovereignty, or change the context to avoid HIM ; and you can't.. That's why Paul was fearfully inspired to establish the inordinately impossible comparison, and requisite of the dust formed creature, toward the Live Giving Sovereign ; yes ; to even bear up the question... In the scope of God doing His choosing, WHO ARE YOU, o man??.. but, but, but ; ok, I give up ; He's God, who completely has that right..
How do you know you are one of the elect?how do you know you are saved? Can GOD use you to lead others to Christ and not save you? He did this with Pharoah. If predestination is true, how can you know that you are predestined? I've been asking this question... how do I know God hasn't rejected me? How do I know I'm not Esau?
Natural men hate God,period and unless a man has been born again, He will remain a hater of the Sovereignty in God in all things, including salvation. Only God's people will be given spiritual understanding of this,the world will never ,nor can they accept it.
Because you will be a new creation in Christ?? You will have fruit of being born again , turning from sin in the fear of God, having a hunger for the things of God rather than the things of the world. The same way anyone can know they are saved? Because they trust in Christ and Christ alone for their eternal salvation. That’s how you know you are among the elect. Those who are not regenerated by the Holy Spirit will never do these things.
Did he just say God didn't or doest know what Jesus would do, by way of foreknowledge? Not only does God know what Jesus would do but He gave Him everything that he would do. John 5:30 “I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.”😊
Let me offer a different perspective. If you listen to White, your mind will stay inthe rut of believing this whole passage is about "how an individual is picked for ind salvation". The problem is, the passage is about Gods promises and Gods faithfulness. Has god failed due to Israel's unbelief? If you consider that Pauls point was not individual salvation, but rather about God's plan going forward unthwarted, the whole chaptermakes sense. God's redemptive plan was accomplished through people thsy he chose. Paul gives examples that had faith and also, examples that did not. Pharaoh was unbelieving and God's plan wasnot thwarted nby that. In fact, he strengthened the resolve of Pharaoh to make the show even bigger! Just as God used hardened Pharaoh, he was using presently hardened Israel (the main topic of the passage). Regardless, Gods plan of redemption continued. And the unbelief of the Jews fulfilled the prophesy that gentiles would come into the church. And the summaty is that this redemption plan of God was always by faith, which the gentiles were showing and the jews were not.
Calvinism is a position that is a package of the greatness of God and God as the author/creator of evil. There is something that is impossible for God to do though. It is impossible for God to lie... Hebrews 6:18-19
@@tariqskanaal8187 This verse is part of a passage where God is expressing His supreme sovereignty and control over various aspects of existence. The mention of creating light and darkness, peace and evil, emphasizes God's role as the ultimate source of both positive and negative experiences. The term "evil" here is often understood in the context of calamity or adversity rather than moral wrongdoing. The verse underscores the belief in God's overarching authority and governance over the complexities of life.
I think that is a common complaint against Calvinism, that it seems to make God the author of evil. I dont think that it does. If I had to boil it down to simpler terms, is Shakespeare the author of Shylock's evil or Iago's? Is Tolkien the author of Gollum's or Saruman's evil? Or are those characters acting according to their nature? I think the author of a story can write the story and assign nature to the characters without being the creator of evil itself and still hold those characters responsible for acting according to their own nature.
@@markxivlxii1390 God is not a human author. While authors can create complex characters without bearing moral responsibility for their actions, God is omnipotent and omniscient. This means He has the power and knowledge to prevent evil, yet chooses to permit it. This distinction is crucial in understanding the problem of evil within a Calvinistic framework.
@KTTGHMTJWYCBLAC It was meant to be a compliment. In other words, he is ao persuasive and knowledgeable, he could metaphorically convince me of... As an aside, you seem sensitive.
Dismiss "Calvinism" just long enough to see this is about Israel (who sought righteousness through works), versus Believers (Us)US, who seek righteousness through Faith! Simple! This IS NOT about individuals....who are Named in Scripture because they "Represent" a "group of people in a certain Relationship with Father God"....Or....:a group of people in poor to non existent relationship with Father God.
No one person is special against another God is no respector of man what He did,The Cross, for one He did for everyone!I think I’ll believe what my Bible says.That’s the KJV.
Actually if election was based on God looking through time to see who would choose His Son and then God chooses the choosers,it changes scripture to say,God loved us because we loved Him first and this would indeed make God a respector of persons,since it was their good work within them that caused God to choose them.
Isaiah 8:20-22 King James Version 20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them. 21 And they shall pass through it, hardly bestead and hungry: and it shall come to pass, that when they shall be hungry, they shall fret themselves, and curse their king and their God, and look upward. 22 And they shall look unto the earth; and behold trouble and darkness, dimness of anguish; and they shall be driven to darkness
Psalms 50:16 “But unto the wicked God saith, What hast thou to do to declare my statutes, or that thou shouldest take my covenant in thy mouth?” Why are u reading and trying to break down the scripture. You have no idea what you are talking about Revelation 13:10 “He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.” All so called white men and other Heathen nations will go into slavery for what u have done to the so called blacks, hispanics, and Native Americans. I will give you proof Isaiah 14:1 “For the LORD will have mercy on Jacob, and will yet choose Israel, and set them in their own land: and the strangers shall be joined with them, and they shall cleave to the house of Jacob.” Isaiah 14:2 “And the people shall take them, and bring them to their place: and the house of Israel shall possess them in the land of the LORD for servants and handmaids: and they shall take them captives, whose captives they were; and they shall rule over their oppressors.
@@justjoe4260 my response is delusional because yours was. Your first response should’ve been debunking my ideas with scriptures but you don’t know the Bible so I understand it is okay. Have a nice day
@@Kj90145 child, obviously you are a cult follower and ARE attempting to give your cults eisegesis of scripture as you first post proved. see below ” All so called white men and other Heathen nations will go into slavery for what u have done to the so called blacks, hispanics, and Native Americans. I will give you proof . THAT lie is proven false by THE SCRIPTURES , GOD HIMSELF ,AND HISTORY .Humanity of every colour enslaved their own people LONG BEFORE people met people of other colours , .You insert your eisegesis of WHAT the Scripture actually said.2)YOUR 2ND POST confirmed my 1st response that you are a cult follower by YOU posting woman,keep silence 🤣PROVING MY 2ND POST> Kaelin Johnson child , what a delusional response. AS I AM not a woman and THE PREPARATION IN THE HEART OF MAN and the answer of the tongue is from THE LORD. 🙂
White’s misreading of Romans 9 is shockingly wrong ... um, He’s discussing Israel ... and what about the first and last chapter of Romans with the notion of “obedience of faith”
You putting the US in there does not prove that God has determined a man to be prepared for hell before the foundation of the world. All we conclude is that all men, both male and female, are prepared for glory, through Jesus Christ, the first born.
@WilliamStrain-th4xw No, we have to look at God's intention. Jeremiah 29:11 King James Version 11 For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the Lord, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end. These are the plans He had for us, convinced that God never lies and never changes. Have you ever heard of ipso facto, as a result? As a result of a man's unbelief, he is fitted to destruction. Destruction thay was prepared, not for man but the devil amd his angels. Matthew 25:41 King James Version 41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: Whosoever does not believe is fitted to destruction. John 3:18 King James Version 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. Universalism says that Jesus dying on the cross automatically saves all. That's a lie.
Beginning an exegesis of a chapter by giving your own privately interpreted summary of the previous chapter, void of any thorough examination, is both foul and weak. Between that disingenuous attempt to sway the audience and your terrible Romans nine breakdown, I don’t know which is weaker.
@@nelsclin31 The reasoning behind my disagreement is too important to have kept it so short. Speech is an art in which its subtle and manipulative nature often goes disregarded at inopportune times. Even so there are no words or emojis that can discredit my statement.
US is the believers who believed which is why they are the elect. The order in the scripture is always to believe first! God elected the believers! Stop the false teaching! It's very clear.
Exactly, in 9:6, if only some Jews, the difference is between them is those who believed, and those who didn’t. Not all Israel was ‘elect’ (in the Calvinist way of election)
@jdominguez777 They misread Romans 9 and read it back to change the entire meaning of the epistle. Romans is all about God choosing to harden Israel for hardening their own heart to bring about salvation unto all nations. Much like he did with Pharoah to free up his people. They changed even the purpose of the gospel to make the good news all about God soverightny rather than HIS love for the world. So even the world doesn't mean everyone! They even twisted John 3 16 further so much that they have to appeal to Greek grammer as if Greek usage of verbs is like English to make "whoever believes" say " believing" and therefore whoever God has caused to believe. Even Ephisians 2 has been twisted to say that we were chosen to be in Christ before the foundation of the world, so we were already in union with God at birth before even receiving faith. The meaning of gift had to change to mean irresistable! Since when is a gift irresistable? In the meanwhile, Satan is the only beneficiary of spreading this false non gospel doctrine, which totally undermines and reduces his role to mere robot or agent of God who has no power on his own at all.
@@Jebron_G well put, also something else I reread was in Romans 9, how God put up with the vessels of wrath with much endurance (keyword endured). How would God Almighty “endure” something he preordained, it doesn’t make sense. It does however, when considering the Ninevites or the people from Noah’s day!
@jdominguez777 Great point. Calvinsm is full of holes. Good to note also to further prove your point that these vessels can change and were not preordained. 2 Timothy 2:21 [21] Therefore, if anyone cleanses himself from these things, he will be a vessel for honor, sanctified, useful to the Master, prepared for every good work.
Biblical election concerns God choosing Christ to die for the sins responsible to man’s account. God chose to create man. Man chose to reject God. God chose to die for man. It is now man’s responsibility to choose. Choose Christ.
@@JesusWordApologetics If you do have some contact with him let him know if he is ever near Pittsburgh I'd love to ride with him if he has time. Great cycling routes around here. Thanks. Glad there are a few whackos like me out there........
It's interesting that he all but IGNORES what Paul said in Romans 9:1-3 about wishing himself damned if it meant the salvation of his fellow Jews. He wrote that in the Spirit, and that doesn't wash with God NOT wanting to save them.
God wants all men to repent but not all come to repentance. God is not trying to save all mankind and then fails in his plans. He accomplishes all of his will. He gave a people to the Son and the Son lived and died for them in their place as payment for their sins canceling the debt against them. The Spirit seals them with promise. John 6 is consistent with John 10 and John 10 is consistent with John 17.
@J.D. Auwerda “God wants all men to repent” “God is not trying to save all mankind” That’s a boldface contradiction, something Calvinists do a lot. It’s like while everyone accepts the laws of logic prior to Exegesis, Calvinists want to go and re-write them. God’s Will is not that of a mentally challenged person. If he wants all men to repent and can control the free actions of all men then that’s what he’d do.
@@AllThingsChristian No, God elects, predestines and saves everyone of His elect. 100% will be saved. God gives His elect to Jesus and Jesus will lose none. That is what the Bible says.
HOW can God and Jesus say they grieve over many lost people an tells them to TURN that they might have life.Practically begs the Pharsees to turn to HIM.Does miracles right in from of them to try and make them believe AND many Pharasees do. read it in John.SO calvanism right there is Challenged. This would make No sense if God from the womb send Most or Many to everlasting torment.
So Bob, what your asking is; if Calvinism is true, then why does Jesus plead with Israel to turn and they would be healed? Your assumption is when God makes a if/then conditional statement. It means that God is holding out His hand and begging these poor Jews to just take hold, and they would be eternally saved, or something to that effect. The short answer is Jesus is speaking to the elect (the already chosen) of Israel. The long answer is: Clearly, the Old Testament taught from start to finish that God had chosen a remnant within the physical decedents of Abraham. That regeneration took place prior to our faith in the Lord even during the OT times. We see in Ezekiel 36:26,27, "Moreover, I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. "I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will be careful to observe My ordinances." The Spirit has been active since creation. We see in Deut. 30:36, Jesus says: "Moreover the LORD your God will circumcise your heart and the heart of your descendants, to love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul, so that you may live." The OT Jew's resisted the Holy Spirit as we see in Stephan's condemnation of the Jews to the Sanhedrin in Acts 7:51, “You stiff-necked people, uncircumcised in heart and ears, you always resist the Holy Spirit. As your fathers did, so do you." This is why Jesus pleads with His people throughout the OT. He's not saying if the Jews would just choose Him, then synergistically He can now save them. No. Jesus is speaking to the elect (the already chosen) of Israel. We see why Jesus is pleading with Jews to repent, because Jesus gives those who don't repent over to Satan. We see this in 1 Corinthians 5:5, hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord.
I used to find James so pompous and facetiously dismissive to ppl who disagreed with him. But after a long meandering journey of exploration I found myself at the steps of predestination and now Im getting him completely. This the exact line by line analysis of Romans 9 I been looking for. Jim Brown from Grace & Truth though brought me here
SAME STORY WITH ME LOL
Same here. What I appreciate is that he does all he can to accurately represent the views of those he believes are contrary to what the Bible teaches, he actually listens, and then calmly "destroys" their arguments using consistent hermeneutics.
I thought he was stuck up, and Paul Washer was a continual Debbie-downer lol. Still have to psyche myself up to listen to a Washer sermon.
@@mikkellowe1270 Paul Washer is a great guy to listen to if you're ever feeling too good about yourself. But if I had to listen to him on a frequent basis I'd probably get depression lol
I hear you!
I have enjoyed listening to Dr. James White since reading his book The Freedom of the Potter.
*The Potter's Freedom
@@firstnamelastname2552 jimmy grilled geisler in that great book.
I cant say enough good things about Dr. White. SO CONSISTENT. SO GOOD. I've even heard people say that they arent Christians, but if they ever would be, it would be because Dr. White's work is so consistent and so good. God has really used him for his Kingdom!
I listen to this podcast a few times a year. Probably one of the best exegetical podcasts I’ve ever heard on any passage.
This is excellent and I will be looking for more of this type of exegesis from J White
He adds so much that isn't in this text
This is an excellent exegesis of the chapter!!!
This is beautiful.
Right!!!!! 🙌🏼🌷🙌🏼🌷🙌🏼🌷🙌🏼
I love this explanation of Romans chapter 9. I am so thankful God pulled me out of the IFB movement and gave me repentance of my sins and saving-faith in the Gospel of Christ Jesus my Savior. Thankfully, my family and I are now in a church that believes like brother Dr. James White teaches concerning the Scriptures. Don't get me wrong, I don't mean we determine what to believe according to brother Dr. James White, but rather we believe the Bible the same way brother Dr. James White teaches about it.
That's wonderful! I pray we can find a church like that
or BE a church like that! If you can't find one, join one and offer to teach or help explain whenever you have opportunity. Or start a home study group! @@susiequsie1980
His words are full of truth and wisdom. Sometimes I have to slow it down to.75 just so my simple mind can comprehend what he's saying.
I say do whatever it takes to learn! I listen to things over and over and over, and fortunately it's easy to "rewind" if you want to hear a specific comment or exclamation or 'point' again to get the full context. I praise God for those who are pressing in and making learning the Word a priority. You will be able to help others at your church and to be better able to answer questions a non-believer may have.
Blessings Dr. White !!!
White’s exegesis is correct. One would have to twist scripture to disagree with him.
White is ridiculous.
Not a single passage here says God chose anyone for salvation or damnation before they were born.
Hate to say this, James’ explanation is biblical. He does not appeal to opinion, philosophy, man’s sense of justice or righteousness, false accusation, innuendo, or name calling to defend the reformed theology. 👍
The Exegesis Is SUPER CONSISTENT
Incredible exegesis of scripture! Soli Deo Gloria
Excellent exposition from sound exegesis. Romans 9 is the tell all chapter for whether or not people truly believe the Bible to be the Word of God. The amount of eisogymnastics people do to deny that God alone is completely free and sovereign is astounding and sad.
Amen...📖🌷💕
Excellent explanation!
AMEN!!!✝️💜
Outstanding!
Leighton Flowers is angry at the chapter
If *God hated Esau* would mean that *God exercised Justice* , then that particular justice is not the True Justice of God.
Excellent exegesis...this also says that no matter who we vote for in Nov, 2024, Eternal Sovereign Creator God, will install HIS choice in the Presidency according to Dan.4:17, 35 !!
Rom 13:1-2:
¹ Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
² Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
Yes, people just don't like what it says. He's the potter, we are the clay. Does not the potter have right over the clay ! That's tough, but it couldn't be any clearer. Men just don't like it. It's tough, but that's what it does indeed say.
I wasn't truly considering his exegesis until the closing flute solo.
Something Leighton Flowers could never do😂
Romans 9:6 Is the word ¨descendents¨ in any of the greek manuscripts ? Is it on the early manuscripts only ? Does anyone know?
Please, if you know: Was this record on his program Diving Lines? Can we find it in video of himself, also?
The blind leading the blind. I’m very sorry for all of you guys that are blindly following this blind man. My warning to you is that you would leave from following him and start reading the Bible for yourselves.
He doesn't cover the end of the chapter when Paul explains EXACTLY why some individuals - Jew or Gentile - attain righteousness and some don't. White is so intent on ranting against an imagined lightweight objector to Calvinism that he doesn't even finish talking about Paul's argument. Thus he draws an incomplete conclusion.
He has other videos that explain all of Romans 9. If this is not to ur liking
The end of the chapter explains that we are not saved from works, but through faith. its not related to James' larger point, so no need to exegete that.
I wonder how the Greek Early Church Fathers interpreted this passage?
My only concern here is that brother White did not cover the entire text. God bless you all.
So salvation is not by Grace through faith like it’s throughout the Bible but by election right?
I totally disagree with his interpretation.
Rom 8:28-30:
²⁸ And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
²⁹ For whom he did FOREKNOW, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
³⁰ Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
Foreknow !
Not knowing in advance.
Rom 11:2:
² God hath not cast away his people which he FOREKNEW. Wot ye not what the Scripture saith of Elijah? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
the same word is also in this vers.
So did they choose themselves ?
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John 6:37,44:
³⁷ All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
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⁴⁴ No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
What with that ?
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PS:
Acts 13:48:
⁴⁸ And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.
Please explain me also this.
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"You should be surprised that God loved Jakob."
Actually, no, because I read the Bible instead of Calvin, and the Bible says that God IS love. Love is an attribute of God. So you can no more switch off God's love than you can his holiness.
Ok then why did God say He hated Esau? Sorry but God only loves the elect, and NO this is the Bible, not Calvin. Enough of your pride.
@@alihoussney7870 If you follow Jesus, must you literally hate your own parents?
@@EmWarEl Answer my question and do NOT change the subject. I am talking about Romans 9, not about the gospels.
@@alihoussney7870 There are multiple places in Scripture where the contrast of love and hate is used to demonstrate a strong preference of one thing/person over another. Romans 9 does NOT teach that God decides before people are born whether they are loved (saved) or hated (damned). In fact, you do not even get to the end of chapter 9 before Paul reiterates exactly why some Jews were saved or lost (they tried to obtain the promises of God by works rather than faith). What Romans 9 says is that God can choose or not choose anyone he wants for any task he wants, and he doesn't have to explain himself. If he wants to choose Mary to give birth to Jesus, or knock Paul down and blind him to convert him, or cause a tree to fall and kill one of your children, or wipe out a whole nation because they are wicked and reprobate, that is his prerogative. None of that means that some people get no opportunity whatsoever to repent because God hates them. Consider this in light of Romans 9:
II Tim 2:
20 Now in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and silver but also of wood and clay, some for honorable use, some for dishonorable. 21 Therefore, if anyone cleanses himself from what is dishonorable, he will be a vessel for honorable use, set apart as holy, useful to the master of the house, ready for every good work.
22 So flee youthful passions and pursue righteousness, faith, love, and peace, along with those who call on the Lord from a pure heart. 23 Have nothing to do with foolish, ignorant controversies; you know that they breed quarrels. 24 And the Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but kind to everyone, able to teach, patiently enduring evil, 25 correcting his opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth, 26 and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, after being captured by him to do his will.
@@EmWarElIt is true God is love. But it is also true that none of us deserve God's love. We have all sinned against God even though He is love. Him making the choice to love us is a blessing we don't deserve and we can understand what an amazing thing He has done in loving Jacob. He gave His Son for us out of love, but all have turned from God. God's love and grace is not something we deserve and we can absolutely be amazed when He extends His love to those that do not deserve it.
Too many cooks spoil the broth. Too many apologist's same
"follow the pronouns" lol- throwing some serious shade!
I love James as a brother and love his book the forgotten Trinity but def disagree with his Reformed Theology. You should read/study the Potters promise for a different perspective on Rom 8:28-30 and Rom ch 9.
Faith and obedience go hand in hand. Baptism in water is a part of that obedience. He intercedes for those who believe and are baptized Mark 16:15-16, Acts 2:38.
He said we are justified by grace, justified by the blood of Christ, and justified by faith. The Bible says we are justified by grace THROUGH faith. Little different.
Grace is the means and faith is the instrument, it still makes sense.
One big problem… James thinks the Jews are those of both houses of Israel… and he thinks gentiles are exclusively non-Israelites.
Almighty God endured (keyword: endured) with long suffering the vessels of wrath, that He prepared? Doesn’t make sense. That would make sense if he gave the fallen up to their desires, after much long suffering.
How did He become the firstborn?
Did He not do all God's will, thus becoming the one and only man to conform to the image of His Son?
Jesus said I did not come to do my own will but the will of my Father: John 6:38
Yeshua was FOREKNOWN ; chosen ; The Elect One ; as with all His brethren ; not according to works ; but by Him who calls ; as the twins were determined, before they'd done anything good or bad ; that the purposes of God according to election might stand ; not of works, but of Him who calls.. Therefore, it is not of the one who wills, nor of the one who runs, but of God who shows mercy.. You mean, it's totally up to God?.. Then, how can He find fault?. Ahhh ; there's your conundrum.. So you'll either believe in the perplexity of Godly Sovereignty, or change the context to avoid HIM ; and you can't.. That's why Paul was fearfully inspired to establish the inordinately impossible comparison, and requisite of the dust formed creature, toward the Live Giving Sovereign ; yes ; to even bear up the question... In the scope of God doing His choosing, WHO ARE YOU, o man??.. but, but, but ; ok, I give up ; He's God, who completely has that right..
31:23 I think he meant Genesis 4:21 not 4:11-12. (:
How do you know you are one of the elect?how do you know you are saved? Can GOD use you to lead others to Christ and not save you? He did this with Pharoah. If predestination is true, how can you know that you are predestined? I've been asking this question... how do I know God hasn't rejected me? How do I know I'm not Esau?
he will NEVER answer you
@@walterhouston7961 honestly, what kind of reply is that? God will speak to anyone who is willing to listen.
@@libertarianonwheels1172 you heathens are cleavers and leeches
Natural men hate God,period and unless a man has been born again, He will remain a hater of the Sovereignty in God in all things, including salvation. Only God's people will be given spiritual understanding of this,the world will never ,nor can they accept it.
Because you will be a new creation in Christ?? You will have fruit of being born again , turning from sin in the fear of God, having a hunger for the things of God rather than the things of the world. The same way anyone can know they are saved? Because they trust in Christ and Christ alone for their eternal salvation. That’s how you know you are among the elect. Those who are not regenerated by the Holy Spirit will never do these things.
Did he just say God didn't or doest know what Jesus would do, by way of foreknowledge?
Not only does God know what Jesus would do but He gave Him everything that he would do.
John 5:30
“I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.”😊
Let me offer a different perspective. If you listen to White, your mind will stay inthe rut of believing this whole passage is about "how an individual is picked for ind salvation".
The problem is, the passage is about Gods promises and Gods faithfulness. Has god failed due to Israel's unbelief?
If you consider that Pauls point was not individual salvation, but rather about God's plan going forward unthwarted, the whole chaptermakes sense.
God's redemptive plan was accomplished through people thsy he chose. Paul gives examples that had faith and also, examples that did not. Pharaoh was unbelieving and God's plan wasnot thwarted nby that. In fact, he strengthened the resolve of Pharaoh to make the show even bigger! Just as God used hardened Pharaoh, he was using presently hardened Israel (the main topic of the passage). Regardless, Gods plan of redemption continued.
And the unbelief of the Jews fulfilled the prophesy that gentiles would come into the church.
And the summaty is that this redemption plan of God was always by faith, which the gentiles were showing and the jews were not.
Calvinism is a position that is a package of the greatness of God and God as the author/creator of evil. There is something that is impossible for God to do though. It is impossible for God to lie... Hebrews 6:18-19
How would you interpret Isaiah 45:7? Btw Belgic confession article 13
@@tariqskanaal8187 This verse is part of a passage where God is expressing His supreme sovereignty and control over various aspects of existence. The mention of creating light and darkness, peace and evil, emphasizes God's role as the ultimate source of both positive and negative experiences. The term "evil" here is often understood in the context of calamity or adversity rather than moral wrongdoing. The verse underscores the belief in God's overarching authority and governance over the complexities of life.
I think that is a common complaint against Calvinism, that it seems to make God the author of evil. I dont think that it does. If I had to boil it down to simpler terms, is Shakespeare the author of Shylock's evil or Iago's? Is Tolkien the author of Gollum's or Saruman's evil? Or are those characters acting according to their nature? I think the author of a story can write the story and assign nature to the characters without being the creator of evil itself and still hold those characters responsible for acting according to their own nature.
@@markxivlxii1390 God is not a human author. While authors can create complex characters without bearing moral responsibility for their actions, God is omnipotent and omniscient. This means He has the power and knowledge to prevent evil, yet chooses to permit it. This distinction is crucial in understanding the problem of evil within a Calvinistic framework.
James White could convince me that the sky is green. Amazing.
@KTTGHMTJWYCBLAC It was meant to be a compliment. In other words, he is ao persuasive and knowledgeable, he could metaphorically convince me of...
As an aside, you seem sensitive.
So he could convince you of something that isn’t true. Interesting.
Have you ever heard of a figure of speech? @DMilbury
@@arbollinger138 yeah it’s called sarcasm, as per my comment lol.
Gotcha. My apologies. I just thought you are an idiot. @DMilbury
Dismiss "Calvinism" just long enough to see this is about Israel (who sought righteousness through works), versus Believers (Us)US, who seek righteousness through Faith! Simple! This IS NOT about individuals....who are Named in Scripture because they "Represent" a "group of people in a certain Relationship with Father God"....Or....:a group of people in poor to non existent relationship with Father God.
No one person is special against another God is no respector of man what He did,The Cross, for one He did for everyone!I think I’ll believe what my Bible says.That’s the KJV.
Actually if election was based on God looking through time to see who would choose His Son and then God chooses the choosers,it changes scripture to say,God loved us because we loved Him first and this would indeed make God a respector of persons,since it was their good work within them that caused God to choose them.
Armenian way of thinking at its best. I know this all too well. Keep studying and read John 6,John 10, Ephesians 1 straight through
Isaiah 8:20-22
King James Version
20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
21 And they shall pass through it, hardly bestead and hungry: and it shall come to pass, that when they shall be hungry, they shall fret themselves, and curse their king and their God, and look upward.
22 And they shall look unto the earth; and behold trouble and darkness, dimness of anguish; and they shall be driven to darkness
This man's arrogance won't let him learn anything. All Pharisaic. All teacher of the letter of the Law. God have mercy.
The Calvinist or just like the Freewill people. They’re both tied to their tradition
What are you talking about? He believes in faith alone, but a saving faith is never alone? Can you be any more disingenuous?
Psalms 50:16
“But unto the wicked God saith, What hast thou to do to declare my statutes, or that thou shouldest take my covenant in thy mouth?”
Why are u reading and trying to break down the scripture. You have no idea what you are talking about
Revelation 13:10
“He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.” All so called white men and other Heathen nations will go into slavery for what u have done to the so called blacks, hispanics, and Native Americans. I will give you proof
Isaiah 14:1
“For the LORD will have mercy on Jacob, and will yet choose Israel, and set them in their own land: and the strangers shall be joined with them, and they shall cleave to the house of Jacob.”
Isaiah 14:2
“And the people shall take them, and bring them to their place: and the house of Israel shall possess them in the land of the LORD for servants and handmaids: and they shall take them captives, whose captives they were; and they shall rule over their oppressors.
CHILD ,YOU expose yourself as a cult follower
@@justjoe4260 woman, keep silence
@@Kj90145 child , what a delusional response
@@justjoe4260 my response is delusional because yours was. Your first response should’ve been debunking my ideas with scriptures but you don’t know the Bible so I understand it is okay. Have a nice day
@@Kj90145 child, obviously you are a cult follower and ARE attempting to give your cults eisegesis of scripture as you first post proved. see below
” All so called white men and other Heathen nations will go into slavery for what u have done to the so called blacks, hispanics, and Native Americans. I will give you proof . THAT lie is proven false by THE SCRIPTURES , GOD HIMSELF ,AND HISTORY .Humanity of every colour enslaved their own people LONG BEFORE people met people of other colours , .You insert your eisegesis of WHAT the Scripture actually said.2)YOUR 2ND POST confirmed my 1st response that you are a cult follower by YOU posting woman,keep silence 🤣PROVING MY 2ND POST> Kaelin Johnson child , what a delusional response. AS I AM not a woman and THE PREPARATION IN THE HEART OF MAN and the answer of the tongue is from THE LORD. 🙂
You misspelled “eisegesis”. 😂
White’s misreading of Romans 9 is shockingly wrong ... um, He’s discussing Israel ... and what about the first and last chapter of Romans with the notion of “obedience of faith”
It goes right along with EZEKIEL 36:26
not everyone who is descended from Israel is truly Israel....
how is that talking about nations?
You putting the US in there does not prove that God has determined a man to be prepared for hell before the foundation of the world.
All we conclude is that all men, both male and female, are prepared for glory, through Jesus Christ, the first born.
Universalism?
@WilliamStrain-th4xw No, we have to look at God's intention.
Jeremiah 29:11
King James Version
11 For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the Lord, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end.
These are the plans He had for us, convinced that God never lies and never changes.
Have you ever heard of ipso facto, as a result? As a result of a man's unbelief, he is fitted to destruction. Destruction thay was prepared, not for man but the devil amd his angels.
Matthew 25:41
King James Version
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Whosoever does not believe is fitted to destruction.
John 3:18
King James Version
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Universalism says that Jesus dying on the cross automatically saves all. That's a lie.
Just ignore the rest of Romans…. Smh
read romans 8 lol
the U, I and P in tulip are shown in romans 8
total depravity is shown in Romans 3
He has episodes that cover the whole chapter
The context of Romans 9 is a misinterpretation of Romans 8? James White has lost it.
Beginning an exegesis of a chapter by giving your own privately interpreted summary of the previous chapter, void of any thorough examination, is both foul and weak. Between that disingenuous attempt to sway the audience and your terrible Romans nine breakdown, I don’t know which is weaker.
All you had to say is you disagree. 😂
@@nelsclin31 The reasoning behind my disagreement is too important to have kept it so short. Speech is an art in which its subtle and manipulative nature often goes disregarded at inopportune times. Even so there are no words or emojis that can discredit my statement.
Romans 8 is about salvation and that continues into Romans 9. James was correct.
@@shopson6991 You’re entitled to your own opinion even if you’re wrong. Enjoy.
@@shopson6991 you are right,not because you are calvinist,but scripture
US is the believers who believed which is why they are the elect. The order in the scripture is always to believe first!
God elected the believers!
Stop the false teaching! It's very clear.
Exactly, in 9:6, if only some Jews, the difference is between them is those who believed, and those who didn’t. Not all Israel was ‘elect’ (in the Calvinist way of election)
@jdominguez777
They misread Romans 9 and read it back to change the entire meaning of the epistle.
Romans is all about God choosing to harden Israel for hardening their own heart to bring about salvation unto all nations. Much like he did with Pharoah to free up his people.
They changed even the purpose of the gospel to make the good news all about God soverightny rather than HIS love for the world. So even the world doesn't mean everyone!
They even twisted John 3 16 further so much that they have to appeal to Greek grammer as if Greek usage of verbs is like English to make "whoever believes" say " believing" and therefore whoever God has caused to believe.
Even Ephisians 2 has been twisted to say that we were chosen to be in Christ before the foundation of the world, so we were already in union with God at birth before even receiving faith.
The meaning of gift had to change to mean irresistable! Since when is a gift irresistable?
In the meanwhile, Satan is the only beneficiary of spreading this false non gospel doctrine, which totally undermines and reduces his role to mere robot or agent of God who has no power on his own at all.
@@Jebron_G well put, also something else I reread was in Romans 9, how God put up with the vessels of wrath with much endurance (keyword endured). How would God Almighty “endure” something he preordained, it doesn’t make sense. It does however, when considering the Ninevites or the people from Noah’s day!
@jdominguez777 Great point. Calvinsm is full of holes.
Good to note also to further prove your point that these vessels can change and were not preordained.
2 Timothy 2:21
[21] Therefore, if anyone cleanses himself from these things, he will be a vessel for honor, sanctified, useful to the Master, prepared for every good work.
You heathens wrestle with scripture
Biblical election concerns God choosing Christ to die for the sins responsible to man’s account. God chose to create man. Man chose to reject God. God chose to die for man. It is now man’s responsibility to choose.
Choose Christ.
An awesome exegesis of Romans 9. Thanks!
Amen, Dr. White!
Beautiful exegesis. I'd like to have coffee with James someday and have a theological discussion. That would be great.
Look him up in Heaven.
@@m.mccafferty3095 he convert me from A molinist to a Calvinist now!,i want to meet him in heaven,im an asian!
Amen!
Soooooooo, love the expounding of the text. BUT, that pic...................kinda creepy. You're welcome!
I'll let Dr. White know... about your feelings
@@JesusWordApologetics Just bein a little facetious. Love Dr. White's ministry and have a ton of respect for him!
@@waynemccuen8213, just play'n-with-ya. I love the Coogi tie. But, no denying that Dr. White is a blessing. God bless brother!
@@JesusWordApologetics If you do have some contact with him let him know if he is ever near Pittsburgh I'd love to ride with him if he has time. Great cycling routes around here. Thanks. Glad there are a few whackos like me out there........
@@waynemccuen8213 will do brother!!
It's interesting that he all but IGNORES what Paul said in Romans 9:1-3 about wishing himself damned if it meant the salvation of his fellow Jews. He wrote that in the Spirit, and that doesn't wash with God NOT wanting to save them.
God wants all men to repent but not all come to repentance. God is not trying to save all mankind and then fails in his plans. He accomplishes all of his will. He gave a people to the Son and the Son lived and died for them in their place as payment for their sins canceling the debt against them. The Spirit seals them with promise. John 6 is consistent with John 10 and John 10 is consistent with John 17.
@J.D. Auwerda
“God wants all men to repent”
“God is not trying to save all mankind”
That’s a boldface contradiction, something Calvinists do a lot. It’s like while everyone accepts the laws of logic prior to Exegesis, Calvinists want to go and re-write them. God’s Will is not that of a mentally challenged person. If he wants all men to repent and can control the free actions of all men then that’s what he’d do.
J.D. Auwerda God’s plan was to make a way for ALL men TO be saved, and He accomplished that.
@@AllThingsChristian No, God elects, predestines and saves everyone of His elect. 100% will be saved. God gives His elect to Jesus and Jesus will lose none. That is what the Bible says.
@@shopson6991 thats gospel
HOW can God and Jesus say they grieve over many lost people an tells them to TURN that they might have life.Practically begs the Pharsees to turn to HIM.Does miracles right in from of them to try and make them believe AND many Pharasees do. read it in John.SO calvanism right there is Challenged. This would make No sense if God from the womb send Most or Many to everlasting torment.
So Bob, what your asking is; if Calvinism is true, then why does Jesus plead with Israel to turn and they would be healed? Your assumption is when God makes a if/then conditional statement. It means that God is holding out His hand and begging these poor Jews to just take hold, and they would be eternally saved, or something to that effect. The short answer is Jesus is speaking to the elect (the already chosen) of Israel. The long answer is:
Clearly, the Old Testament taught from start to finish that God had chosen a remnant within the physical decedents of Abraham. That regeneration took place prior to our faith in the Lord even during the OT times. We see in Ezekiel 36:26,27, "Moreover, I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. "I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will be careful to observe My ordinances."
The Spirit has been active since creation. We see in Deut. 30:36, Jesus says: "Moreover the LORD your God will circumcise your heart and the heart of your descendants, to love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul, so that you may live."
The OT Jew's resisted the Holy Spirit as we see in Stephan's condemnation of the Jews to the Sanhedrin in Acts 7:51, “You stiff-necked people, uncircumcised in heart and ears, you always resist the Holy Spirit. As your fathers did, so do you." This is why Jesus pleads with His people throughout the OT. He's not saying if the Jews would just choose Him, then synergistically He can now save them. No. Jesus is speaking to the elect (the already chosen) of Israel. We see why Jesus is pleading with Jews to repent, because Jesus gives those who don't repent over to Satan. We see this in 1 Corinthians 5:5, hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord.