Analytics in the AFL - The Most Data Rich Sport on Earth
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 ธ.ค. 2024
- In this episode of The Numbers Game, we look at how advanced data in the AFL shapes match strategy, media coverage, and the fans’ experience of the sport they love.
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Even the stats guy has to pay for parking at the MCG...lol
@MUFC fuck off , ccp troll
Gosh, im here in 2020 saying: "wow, crazy technology these days..." Video is from 2016!!
Nice
@MUFC cool. This video has nothing to do with Soccer though...
Everybody:
Soccer fans: @MUFC
0:27 the statue shows tom wills, the founder of the game. his story is a fascinating one. he survived a massacre in which his family was killed by aboriginals. despite this event, he coached and captained the first aboriginal cricket team, which became the first australian team to tour overseas in 1868. sadly tom suffered from ptsd and eventually drank himself into oblivion, and committed suicide by stabbing a pair of scissors through his heart
Michael Cusack the founder of the GAA had a similar fate.Two men that shaped there countries culture in such a profound way meeting such a sad end
stoney71 what happened to cusack?
***** Basically the same thing his wife died he was kicked out the GAA and he hit the bottle lost contactt with his children and died soon after
stoney71 bugger
He was also a murderer of aborigines in which they retaliated and killed his father.
I've always wondered who tracked all the stats in the games. There's a lot of stuff they keep track of, it's mind blowing.
I played this as a little child to grown man. I have played a lot of sport. No other sport expects you to run non-stop, be tackled by anyone coming from 360 degrees, be able to kick a ball 60metres with accuracy, handball to a teammate, and be able to mark(catch) in the air on somebody’s back....all without pads & helmets.
One day in the future, the world will catch on to this great game. Invented by Aistralians 👍
@David Lomas lmao dumbass meathead logic of a typical Rugby fan... not hard to tackle when the guy with the ball is running straight at you and rugby has got soft as fuck anyway 😂😂😂
@David Lomas A bunch of blokes sniffin each others arses while they fuckin cuddle Bum sniff ball is gay as fuck mate hahaha
@David Lomas lol throw a ball backwards and run forward lol dumb arse.
I have played both. AFL is by far harder.
@David Lomas league is shithouse lmao. union is the superior rugby code and AFL shits on both.
imagine picking the worst version of the worst sport in the country to watch
I’ve played this since I was 8
One of the toughest games I’ve ever played
The amount of skill and endurance involved is tough to understand
Especially when you are putting your body on the line at every contest
I can remember a time when the coaches would 'adjust' the official stats
When the team won they would increase the number of kicks (52 became 61),
while decreasing the number of handballs (60 became 50) & conversely
When the team lost they would decrease the number of kicks (58 became 48),
while increasing the number of handballs (54 became 66)...
This was to keep their opponents from realising that the team was winning by having a close to 1:1 kick to handball ratio
So these are the blokes who do me over when I need 1 more disposal for my multi
lmaooo facts
Mate I had one the other week in the port vs Collingwood game, had multiple goalscores, port win, margin correct, and 5 players for 15+ and everything went perfectly apart from Karl Amon who ended up on 13 with a few minutes to go and then he went of the ground. Would have won 8k which would have been nice 😂
Hahahahahaha too true
wow .. imma hardcore Rugby Union fan.. An All Black supporter, this was fascinating, i dont anything about AFL Footy but this was very enlightening..
There are a couple of American's playing in the AFL who never even heard of the sport a couple years before they were playing professionally... Mason Cox is one of them. Former college basketball players.
Irish players too.
+Tipperary Irish GAA players know the AFL because we play them every year in INTL Rules.
Its a game built for all round athletes. You can teach skills to anyone but not everyone is a primo athlete. The hardest part of AFL is the ability to read the game and you can't really teach that.
Other than mason what other Americans are there?
James Harman yeah I’m pretty sure he’s the only one who’s played in the afl? At least that’s what you hear like every week
Great work vice. Would never of known this so thank you.
ZuraWrath "never have known"
best sport in the world
nate kushgod GAA And AFL bring out the best of athletes. That’s for sure
They fill the MCG heaps of the time what the hell are you talking about?
missinginstereo 1 do pretty well for a city that has ten teams and a population of around 5 million,Richmond gets 80k plus crowds for the really big games and averaged around 95k for the 3 finals games.
missinginstereo 1 we dont want it to escape oz
missing a dick ,you have failed, again?
this is pretty cool. as a decently big sports fan, particularly ncaaf, nfl, ncaab, i always wondered where all the stats came from. like some sites have more detailed stats than others, espn shows where all the shots are taken from etc.
How do i get the interchange operator job? has to be one of the easiest jobs in the world
yeah im sure theres abit more to it tho. in the afl you can interchange without a pause of play and so teams interchange players every few minutes just randomly. collingwood was renowned for having atleast 300 interchanges a game and so the league brought in a cap but its still really high.
@@MagpieR6 yea, the cap is now 90 interchanges.
Tell that the the North Melbourne interchange operator who just cost their team a win
I barely understand any of this... but i watched the whole thing lol
Niko R lol. You won't understand it simply because of the slang or lingo that's used.
Watch a game one day with a person who knows the game. It is a really good game to play. It is like guerilla warfare, unlike American football and Rugby which has 'frontlines' to break through.
They're basically looking at who's hot at the time,player form, and how the forwards or backlines are working together, so than can predict/guess who they need to match up, and how they can break through the defense or offense. Our game changes so quickly, any benefit is worth having. But its still all guesswork, as the stats change as frequently as the game.
Very different now. The players have trackers On the jerseys that tracks where they are at all times and how fast how much they run ext.
I'm an Aussie Rules fanatic (go GWS). I'm honestly surprised that American Basketball or Football doesn't have more statistical analysis.
being a die hard Victorian AFL fan, and follower of American sport, IMO the American sports have way more stock in analytics. those sports have columns and columns of weird stats. Value over replacement player, adjusted stats for time on ground etc... the list goes on
Both Basketball and Football have ten times the statistical analysis shown in this video and Baseball even more. There are econometrics people in Baseball (SABR) that have thousands of metrics. The title of this video is what I've come to expect from VICE.
Really interesting but I think too much focus on stats could take/is taking our game in a bad direction. It all becomes too sterile, everyone is focused on getting X number of contested possessions, X number of smothers etc. We'll lose the importance of the player who might only have 10 possesions but creates a game changing moment. I dunno, I just think over analysing anything eventually destroys the best thing about it.
The new 666 rule in the game brings back to how football is ment to be played with all one on ones on the ground.
Wrong.
You have this all ass about.
All AFL Teams are about winning.
The very reason they exists are to win Premierships.
A by-product of a winning Team is a heavily laden area OF STATS that enable you to win.
You cannot win without SOME AREA of Stats going your way....even if it’s as simple as ‘Kicking Accuracy at Goal’.
All Stats are a by product of the game existing.
No Stats - No game.
No winning players on the day - few Stats.
No Kicking Accuracy to teammates - they don’t get the ball.
No players getting the ball in traffic against opponents - no contested possessions.
No Kicking Accuracy at Goal - No win.
@@raspanda8123 what's the 666 rule?
mick n When the game is reset and bounced in the centre of the ground both teams must have 6 backs (defenders) 6 fawards & 6 in the midfield.
Quite cool, always wanted to do this, had just about perfect player ID since I was 14.
Gawd i miss Dennis Committee.
I see him every west coast/Fremantle home game and he’s such a lad
00.33 seconds in, cheeky perv at the cute ticket girl
I never knew that people viewed AFL as data rich analytical game... I guess since I am a player I don't really think about stuff like that... I just hope that one day women's AFL will become as big as the male competition so I can continue to chase my dream of becoming a professional female player
I'm a male former footy player and I'm REALLY REALLY excited about the Women's League. The exhibition matches have been great. It's much more free-flowing than the men's game, as there seem to be far fewer stoppages. I think it's really going to take off and I hope the competition gets the sponsorship and TV rights deals it deserves so the players are paid enough to not only reward current players but to make professional footy a viable career option for young female players. Can't wait for the first season!
I find that the games are much faster in the male leagues, so it's generally better to watch, but you are right about there being less stoppages. But still, I don't think it'll get as big as the male comp. Hopefully though, it'll get big enough I can support myself financially just through AFL.
Panzer Commander Fuck off you patriarchal piece of shit.
5 years on. Did you reach your goals?
Champion data trolled Richmond after our premiership by naming us the 9th best team lol.CD got a bit salty.
Funny I am watching this now when hawthorn are about to play Richmond this weekend in 2018
Alex Briggs lets go hawks
I’m watching this the day before the footy comes back
I’m going round to my cousins house where the family is going to watch the footy
Not even my team playing
Carn the hawks
Great video, I love this side of the game
analytics of sports, so fascinating!!!
I don't understand. The video is about how a sport is the most data intensive in the world yet has no comparaisons with any other sports included. Would have been nice to compare with what other major sports in the world are doing.
@Bleek Chain More players on the field at one time in AFL, they're covering a lot of ground, and play doesn't stop as often as other sports.
@Bleek Chain It isnt how we get the data its how much data there is for one to get theres a difference
@@petriusmaximus8187 exactly. 36 players on the field at once is by far the most of any pro sport.
@Bleek Chain punting the ball? Handballing? Tackling? Bumping? Stiff Arms? Oh right that happens in the NBA.
@@petriusmaximus8187 yea, but instead it's more like a nba-nfl hybrid game.
1:35 A spreadsheet with the top 50 players and 1 Carlton player's on it? I thought they were trusting the process at this time.
would love to have this insight to put bets on
Hahaha me too mate
The only time I’m interested in sports analytics
Fuck yeah, best sport in the world!
No, not even close
Jake Curran yes it is, and I'm American :p it kicks the shit out of every game we play at least, as well as making soccer players look like schoolgirls :)
Hurling is better.
Tipperary
doh! i'd forgotten about the Irish! yeah hurling is just about equally as hardcore as AFL, brb watching some highlights :D
+Majestic Skywhale No problem.
I really would like to try this out! Love the Mass Effect like background sound
Just to see how important numbers (percentage) just check out round 23 2017 eagles vs crows and round 23 2021 Brisbane vs eagles.
Very enlightening 💡
Wow the guy talking at 1:40 got it pretty accurate because even today Dylan Shiel for GWS is one of the best mid fielder's in the league. Also Robbie Grey is one of the best too. 👍👌
Shiel and Grey are some of the lowest impact 'stars' out there mate, not even close to the best
Sheil is shit
@@nicolascheong7643 troll
4:35 wrong stats Pressure Factor For and Against 2.27 and 1.62 is +0.65 not +0.66
displayed numbers are probably rounded
fucking love this game
Dream job right there. Going to apply right now...
why the music blaring out.
hawthorn vs richmond probably one of the best matches
id love to play. im 6'8", but I live in America
Don't let that stop you
there are lots of foreign players in the AFL
how would I get in contact with these teams?
Theres also a an AFL liga in the us called USAFL look them up mate.
we have players who are 5'5 and players 6'11,
How do i get this job
Rory O'Shae majority of it is volunteer or paid peanuts haha
It's all gone over my head😂
Go Tigers !
Carn the hawks
i keep trying to get my team to step up like this
Jesus christ this is actually pretty awesome
This is really interesting
Davidoff Productions oh hey David!
Great! now do a video on Cricket
Rishabh Kumar Yeah bro. Never played cricket, but the sport is good. really really good.
I am a basketball/football(soccer) player.
I was at that game
Carn the hawks
#GoRichmond!!!!!!!💛🖤💛🖤💛🖤🖤💛🖤💛🖤💛
A real mans game!
especially in contrast to the "men" playing soccer who roll around on the ground clutching their ankle crying after the slightest tap, that shits too fucken embarrassing to watch
+Dave Smith no need to start hating on soccer. appreciate both sports. As someone who has played both sports I can honestly tell you that a slide tackle to the ankles from a big defender fucking hurts.
+crazycakemanflies i like soccer as a good game for kids because they don't get hurt (though having said that kids AFL is pretty much non-contact). I WANT to be able to respect soccer, but I just cannot bring myself to respect a game where the players treat the rules as a joke (perhaps then they are) by acting like they're in pain over nothing, it's just ridiculous, and it's the only sport where we see this at endemic proportions. Yes I know "a slide tackle to the ankles from a big defender fucking hurts" (we've all experienced it even when just playing at school), but really - THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING and then compare it to the hits and knocks that other sports get, and how those men and women behave afterwards. Conclusion: soccer players are a bunch of blouses who need to harden the fuck up if they want non-fanbois to take them seriously. Until then you're all just a bunch of pussies _by your own actions_, sorry.
@@DaveWhoa hard but fair Dave 👍
@@wce05308 Soccer - a sport where men pretend to be hurt.
Aussie Rules - a sport where men pretend not to be hurt.
SEE THE BOMBERS FLY UP! 🔴⚫️
The literal definition of taking the fun out of it
I wanna do this but with football. This is just crying out for EPL money, and an explosion of analytical data for the EPL. Why don't more teams do this?
Who says they don't?
Why do Americans refuse to call their sport "American football", even when mentioning it in the same breath as other football codes?
auxetoiles Wasn't responding to OP. Was responding to another comment since deleted.
:o this is nuts!
why was it re uploaded
because you touch yourself at night
@@lastbreathsigh I do that in the morning
body movements such as heads down might be measurable by AI like in the airport or boarder security
those people reading the data or the computer reading the data might know what we are thinking or how we might behave in the future
Next video do ‘Buddy Franklin kicks 100 goals in a season’. Watch what happens
I think the amount of statistics and data in cricket is just as much as in AFL
Not even close.
Nope
No mate. There are 36 players on the field (moving constantly) to cover in AFL. In cricket there are only 13 at one time who are fairly static. Scoring is more data rich in cricket obviously but for general data AFL is way ahead.
As a fan of both
That is completely wrong
I used to make my dad record my stats and all my friends talked about what our stats were😅
Do they own a piece of the AFL? Vice pushes it so hard...
I've only seen three videos on it?
It's sponsored by a betting agency that wants people to bet on more than just game outcomes. They would make more money from having people bet on who would kick the first goal for example, which out of 48 players, is harder to blindly guess but creates more revenue for the agency.
Surprised everything is still done word to mouth; compared to the crazy amount of analytic information processed by NCAA football and the NFL
If you go towards the sport science part of the team is when you'll get a lot of data that's gathered not from word of mouth. especially when it comes to each players individual workrate and such
it's the music from STRANGER THINGS
Best form of football regardless of where you are in the world. There's no football like it is in Melbourne.
I am irish i prefer gaelic football mostly because i have a team to support.However the foot has gone out of the game there are about 4 handpasses to every kick pass.Aussie rules has kept the foot in the game
adelaide is just as good mate
Dylan Ingle : Port beat Sydney (2016 Grand Finalist, & 2017 6th position) & West Coast (2017 8th position)...
I don't mind you supporting strange teams... But please stop spreading ill-informed propaganda!
:) :) ;) :) :)
When they beat them, they weren't in the 8. Sorry to rain on your parade but that doesn't count.
Azzury Street
You're entitled to your own opinion but I have to disagree. I've even heard americans describe AFL players as the best all-round athletes Additionally you'd be amazed how tactically complex aussie rules is. While there seems to be random chaotic motion, a lot of it is controlled by coaches who tells players, where to, position how quickly to go there e.t.c. similar to ice hockey and gridiron. The random elements of the game like how the ball bounces, whose stays on their feet when a bunch of players collide e.t.c. add to the theatre of the sport, even newcomers who don't know much about the sport find it very exciting. The reason it looks scrappy and unprofessional is because the skills are so hard to execute and at a professional level where the pressure from the opposition is intense and the game moves very quickly it becomes even harder.
This has been happening in baseball and NFL for years.... whats new about this ??
Baseball and the NFL have been analysing AFL statistics, have they?
It's also been happening in the AFL since the beginning. They aren't saying it's new, they are looking at the process behind collecting data.
Didn't tell us anything we didn't know anyone that says they learnt something from this video is coming from a long way back
This music could be in Stranger Things
I had no idea how many stats are recorded. What about punching someone’s lights out ... that must get recorded surely ?!
#FreeKickHawthorne
When you misspell HAWTHORN -_- fucking dipshit
Dean Harris
yeah sorry, we have a place called the same in the US but there's an E at the end :D
You feel big correcting someone? +Dean Harris
And that guy still answered nicely so fuck you Dean Harris
In unrelated but equally amazing news: President-elect of the United States Donald J. Trump. I'm far to happy to give a shit about dean harris :P he's probably still crying after the doggies won the GF anyway
I want a job in this field so bad lol
All this data being generated and employed to inform coaching strategy and yet still 50% of kicks in AFL are pure speculators.
Wrong.
You should do GAA
Numbers and Sports? Look no further than F1
except AFL is fun and entertaining to watch
@@mmaforever594 and competitive. F1 is just who spends the most cash.
Mighty hawthorn!!! Funny thing is y
Given the length of game, size of playing field and infinite possible matchups AFL would produce a much larger volume of data than Baseball, NFL, however NFL and Baseball produce much more meaningful and usable data.
So this is how team sports collect data, always wonder how the bts works.
You haven't mentioned how you use the data...
They kind of did.
They don't themselves use the stats, they only record the stats.
They say though out the video that the stats they record are used by multiple sources. Including the teams/coaches for their game analysis, the fantasy football leagues use it for the scoring. The media outlets use it for both Tv and Radio. Fans also have real time availability to the recorded stats for their own personal interest/analysis.
21cup....GAMBLING
Tom M....that could be true.... but in reality, it will be used by bookies to have a "fair" betting odds... gambling fuels this sport
Despite having all that data, the planets aligned and the doggies got up and won the premiership!
WOOF!
Footballers today would not cope with the game from the 70s and 80s, all the special diets and skills training are just another way of trying to emphasise the obvious, if you can’t kick a ball longer than 20 metres you shouldn’t be playing, footballers have their own unique skills and don’t need some know all telling them how to kick or place their bodies in best position to enable them to gain access to the ball, if a team can’t play attacking football, how can they win a game, watching the game today is like watching paint dry. Special diets for optimum performance is a smokescreen, another way of conning an athlete that what they were previously eating is no good for you, bullshit.
Who’s here from Jonesy’s Maths class?
Its a strangest sport in this fucking world!!
Guess its easy to say if you never grew up with it.
"Working the binos"
For people picking a team, PICK THE BLUES!
Despite all their data, they didn't predict a Richmond win in 2017. GoTiges!
bb king or a 2016 bulldogs premiership
sooooo, about that prelim, though....
how do i go about getting job in this field and how much does it pay ?
They do all this and the teams both wear orange and the spectator is fucked...
nope we are all to stupid
Maybe its just you Scratch
Didn’t realise brown and gold stripes and black with a yellow sash was orange
Or that they looked similar in any way at all
GAMBLING!
All these stats, an American wet dream
Misses the point entirely. Most spectators don't want to be involved at a cerebral level, they just watch the game to be entertained.
Should be kept in mind that CD's model is an approximation of the real world and like all complex models that are necessarily incomplete, is not the whole or gospel truth nor the only interpretation.
Dream job
Carn the hawks
Carn the hawks
I'm no expert, but surely baseball pumps out wayyyy more stats than afl
afl plays for two hours with very little stoppage. there are 36 players on the field and all can play anywhere at anytime doing anything within the rules (kick, handball, tackle, smother, tap, punch, ground covered, pressure, percieved pressure, goals, accuracy, disposal efficiency, metres gained etc) thats 36 players doing any and all of that, on and off the ball, in and out of play for two hours, on a field three times the size of a soccer pitch
baseball stats are popularised, much like cricket, moreso for their ease of interpretation and tangibility for the spectator. but yes they do provide a plethora of information too
DAAAAARTA
Data has fucked the AFL.
DAAAAAAHTA.
Bloody Hawthorn...
What about them?
Straya mate
So Rugby, American football, and football/soccer are called football? WTF?
Omega Man and Australian Football, Gaelic football, Canadian Football etc...
Obvious reason is that they are all different codes of football and are native to different parts of the world.
MCG ❤️ Undoubtedly the best Sporting Arena In the World. its Good that Cricket Comes First over there 😉
vivek sharma it doesnt. Its just called that because of its history. But the MCG pulls larger crowds for the AFL
ckbs1 so what ?
Vivek.....AFL draws bigger crowds on average than cricket....even the Indian Premier League doesn't draw anywhere near as big crowds as AFL on average.
SilentHotdog28 IPL Goes packed Every Single Day.. It's Just that Australia has MCG.. ( 100000 Capacity and Sydney Stadium (82000 Capacity).. Our Largest Cricket Stadium is Eden (66000) So , Obviously AFL will Draw Bigger Crowds.. Once Motera Stadium ( 110000 ) is Done and If they Might Get an IPL team.. We might Do the talking.
The AFL doesn't use ANZ Stadium (which is now being demolished), it uses the smaller SCG and Showgrounds Stadium for the Sydney teams. To reach AFL average figures the IPL would need an extra 600k people to attend every season. The AFL also uses tiny grounds like Ballarat, Cairns, Launceston and Shanghai - it just fundamentally attracts a larger crowd than the IPL does.
Nice Paid ad.
Completely over-analyzing a sport that is based entirely on ad lib play and spontaneous actions. Waste of time, really.
You can bet anything the team that comes last has also paid a bunch of data experts a shitload of money.
Most meaningless stat in Australian football - inside 50s. Means fuck all!
I am confused