Aptera Is NOT Like Arcimoto.
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I bought an Arcimoto to electrify my twenty-two mile work commute in San Diego in 2022. It delivers as advertised with 82mph top speed on the I-5 and rock star parking. Like the Aptera, it operates in the space between a motorcycle and a car, which I now know can be viable for many commuters. The canopy, double seat belts, and roll cage make this safer and more convenient than two wheel rides (mine has those half doors). It is more competant than an Ebike like an Aptera is more competant than a golf cart. Lots of smiles per mile and great interactions in parking lots and at stop lights. But it is my experience with Arcimoto that shows me how Aptera can, and will, avoid ALL the mistakes Arcimoto has made. As an Accelerator I can expect to have both the champion of right sized mobility and the champion of solar mobility by next year. I thought I would sell my FUV when the Aptera arrives, but I already know I would miss the ride, and the Aptera doesn't feature that rock star parking.
The Arcimoto might make sense in Southrrn California, but it was 13 degrees this morning in “Hotlanta”. The vehicle unfortunately doesn’t make sense for about 90% of the country and I’m probably being generous.
Thanks for sharing your experience with your vehicle. I am much more interested in Aptera but I can understand the speak of Arcimoto in certain climates and applications.
lol, somebody's got a lot of stock in Arcimoto
@@lsh3rd I'm retired in central Florida. 5 solid months of an average 90 degree high with high humidity. I am starting my third summer here with the FUV as my only transportation. I tinted the roof and brow, added a fan on the handlebars for stagnant air moments. My insurance is only $134/yr for a good Allstate policy! Before that I had only an e-bike for 7 years, the solar/pedal powered velomobile in my avatar image. And I don't take the heat well at all but I manage, and aim for evening rides when possible. My Arcimoto is cooler and safer to ride than the e-bike.
@@popeyegordon nice!! I think being retired allows a more flexible schedule, so rides don’t need to happen at peak heat. Wait for after the daily thunderstorms roll through, then hit the road!
Agree 100%. I’m a bit tired of people, when criticizing the Aptera, saying “But it’s not a car!” In almost all respects, it functions just like a car and, in many respects, better than a car (efficiency, range, cost, and “wow factor”, for example). Yes, just the driver and one passenger but that fits most use patterns (as you point out) most of the time.
Exactly!
@@billsmith5960 I guess you missed my point. Maybe this distinction matters in some legal, regulatory, and sticklers-for-semantics respects... for example, licensing and registration and some regulatory requirements, but -- by and large -- it functions an automobile (or car), albeit with two seats (in that respect, like a Miata.. a car). Merriam-Webster defines a "car" as an "automobile" which, in turn, it defines as a "a usually four-wheeled automotive vehicle designed for passenger transportation." Note their inclusion of "usually".
When you describe the Aptera to someone, most people are going to get a much more accurate perception of the vehicle if you call it a "car" (or "three-wheeled car") than they would if you refer to it as an autocycle (or a motorcycle). Maybe it's not rigorously correct, but it's better communication.
@@billsmith5960 I give up. It's apparent you didn't even read (or, at least, understand) my response. Over and out.
@@billsmith5960 Ok. Not over and out then. I am not denying your facts! I agree with them! One more time -- effectively communicating sometimes means using perhaps (rigorously) inaccurate terminology. Yes, if talking to a regulator or the tax man, it would be a mistake in insisting on categorizing the Aptera as a car (or motorcycle). If trying to describle it to your neighbor across the street, calling it a 3-wheeled car is not a bad ice-breaker.
@@billsmith5960 Your extrapolation skills leave something to be desired, IMO.
In defense of the Arcimoto FUV, it can do 80 without any problem. And I can go into town (35 miles round trip) and back with 60% of that on the interstate and get home with over 30% starting at 90%. But it is a different use case than the Aptera. But it is much more than an e-bike.
There are great use scenarios for the Arcimoto, although I am much more interested in the Aptera. Thank you for sharing your experience. I wish more people would use smaller lighter vehicles versus the giant SUVs that you see on the road.
The fundamental difference between Aptera and Arcimoto is that an Aptera could function as a true ICE replacement. The Arcimoto simply had too many shortcomings. 1. Open cab making it a 3 season vehicle, when the sun is shining. 2. Crazy short range. This thing is not going to road trip. This thing is not even going to get to the next town to go grocery shopping. 3. Lack of storage. Speaking of groceries, where will you put them? 4. Off road. It's basically trying to be an ATV but only on road. What? 5. Price. For all of this lack of functionality you pay basically what you can buy a Chevy Bolt for. So again; who in their right mind would buy this as a personal vehicle???
The Aptera is completely different. Everywhere the Arcimoto falls down, Aptera checks that box. It should be a road tripping monster. It's affordable. It works in the snow. The biggest limitation I see is that it's got only 2 seats, but there's suppose to be variants that will get at least 3 or maybe more seats. The Aptera also has the absolutely killer feature that it should be able to generate enough of it's own power that the typical driver will never need charge.
I would never recommend that a typical household replace their car with an Arcimoto... even as a second vehicle. I would feel more than comfortable telling anyone that, depending on family size, an Aptera could work for them. In fact, for every 2 car household, the Aptera should probably be the default option to replace their second car.
Honestly I have the same problem with the Lordstown pickup as I do with the R1T and the Lightning. All three still hang on to a visual format that is similar to internal combustion pickups. As someone who has no interest in driving a traditional mid-sized or full-sized pickup I feel both Ford and Rivian are missing the point of an electric powertrain. Since these trucks don't need a bulky ICE drivetrain they are free to be repackaged in ways that might be more useful. Both Telo and Canoo give the impression of having given this a little thought.
One could argue that a more traditional appearance might appeal to traditional pickup buyers, but traditional pickup buyers strike me as the last people who would go electric. Aren't most full sized pickups bought by suburbanites as a middle finger to any concerns about the environment?
That might be germane to the questions regarding Arcimoto and Aptera, but it's something I needed to vent about.
Yeah, of all of the things that a pickup truck does better than a regular car, the only one that electrification amplifies is torque. All of the other things a pickup does better do not improve or get even worse when it's electrified. People own trucks because they can do "anything" (except carry lots of people, or keep your gear dry, or park in a tiny parking space). Some people actually need that extra functionality, some just like that it makes them feel/look more prepared (ego issues). For the real pickup truck owners, they want something cheap that they can not worry about damaging and that they don't have to think about range when they go do something. Whether it's loading it up with stuff, hauling long distances, or going far away from civilization, electric makes that worse. For pickup truck owners with weak egos, having a "sissy" electric truck probably won't do, even it would be better for most of what they actually do (drive around town, commute, etc.).
Ultimately, the needs of a truck do not align well with the benefits of electric... yet. If they can fix the battery problem, that'll change.
Arcimoto is just a long range golf cart, basically. Aptera is an actual full on car that just happens to have 3 wheels and is legally an "autocycle" basically just in technicality.
You say that like its a good thing. It is not - the unrealistic insistence on unsustainable high speed climate controlled lounge couches is what got us in so much trouble in the first place! Aptera is NOT a 'full on car', it is a high end autocycle if it ever gets produced. My Arcimoto has been my only transportation for over two years now and it is more than I need for all daily uses.
I won't be dishonest like you and try to compare Aptera to Elio, but it is getting close after so many years with no production and a lot of wishful investing.
@@popeyegordon Ummm no gas cars are what got us in trouble in the first place. What nonsense are you even speaking? If you like your goofy golf cart Acrimoto car that's fine. But it's still just a golf cart that you can't take on real roads/highways. Aptera is only an "autocycle" because it's not 4 wheels. It otherwise is a fully functioning car. It doesn't lack anything else 4 wheeled cars have. Nice try trying to discount it due to legislative technicality.
@@VMYeahVN You are clueless! Gas is worse but even Teslas are a disaster because they cater to the unrealistic demands of consumers who want a cushy over powered high speed status symbol to be used in a continuance of our city-centric designs that suffocate nature.
*THREE WHEELS IS THE DEFINING FEATURE* regardless of what else is in the design. No legal definitions of autocycles mandate any particular level of creature comfort. Insurer definitions follow the state laws for insurance categorization. That means no e-bike requires insurance but autocycles do.
Cars are boring, unadventurous and they seal you off from nature. Climate control adds weight and reduces range. High speed interstate highways suffocate nature and the American car addiction has got to stop but meantime, Aptera is trying to feed the car addicts with something that simulates what they were already doing wrong. same with Tesla. *The uses you imagine for the Aptera for are exactly what has to be ceased as we move to public transportation and lifestyle changes that exclude long distance travel as recreation.*
Golf courses do not allow Arcimoto highway vehicles on the turf any more than they would allow Aptera concept vapor ware. Some golfers bought the Arcimoto and added a golf bag carrier on the side but that only gets them to the course.
YOU decided to troll this page after first discovering that the video is itself a hateful dishonest troll turd.
Lie until you die, and still, nothing you claimed here will ever be true.
@@VMYeahVN Motorcycle vs. golf cart YT video: m.th-cam.com/video/dZymXe6DknQ/w-d-xo.html
An Aptera is more in the league of a Morgan Super 3 or Vanderhall Motor Works Santarosa, only with a lot more real world utility and a cheaper price. The Arcimoto is like a electric auto-rickshaw. I really question the sanity of anyone that remotely sees a similarity between the two vehicles.
I never thought of the Arcimoto as anything more than a toy that wouldn't make it. Aptera is, by far, the coolest vehicle in development and I hope it survives.
it needs four wheels
and rear seats.
@@snorttroll4379you need a different vehicle
Aptera is the only EV that has the magic combination of long-distance end extremely efficient. You can't get that anywhere else. I think Aptera will be a real winner! I'm Looking forward to getting one.
Me too! Well said
Arcimoto was, to my perceptions, a bad joke, an example of how much loose cash is out there these days that startups can somehow scoop up. What really blew my mind about their vehicles was the passenger's exposure to the elements, and this in a location where it rains constantly / has harsh winters. ( I used to live there. )
Re. 3 wheelers in general, if properly engineered they can be just as safe and stable as a 4 wheel design, and the broader public perception of them as somehow unsafe or inferior is a sad , unfortunate and totally mistaken view.
Elon has cast shade on 3 wheel designs in the past, and as a supposedly able mechanical engineer, should know better. I think he just wants to distance Tesla from that public perception thing more than he actually distrusts 3 wheel designs.
I designed and built a 3 wheel BEV in 1995; it cornered like a slot car glued to rails, exhibited no body lean, was rock solid and drove straight with no driver input. The body styling always drew a crowd. It had a lightweight but sturdy glass/foam/CF bonded composite body and chassis, with a 1400 pound curb weight, a 3-phase AC drivetrain with regen and all digital controls. It was a blast to drive.
I was unable to secure any funding for further development because investors were afraid of it due to not having 4 wheels like a 'normal' car.
If we agree production is the hardest part of making any EV company successful, then Aptera has the biggest leg up on Arcimoto. Everything has been looked at through the lens of efficiency. Most importantly, working with Sandy Monro since the very beginning. Having Sandy come on board so early and having his team work closely with the aptera team, is massive. They are also big Tesla fans and learned a lot from the ramp issues Tesla had. I'm just so excited for this company.
Yeah, Aptera is more car-like Arcimoto is more electric motorcycle-like. It's a no-brainer for me. I already have an ebike. I don't need a 2 seat ebike. WI winters are long and, sometimes, very cold. We had warm weather for the past few months but it's cold right now.
Well done! Unlike Warren Redlich, you have a grasp of the overall. No reason to disrespect Arcimoto, as done by Tesla fans & pod car designers might do, as Sgt. Friday might say, "just the facts," but Warren does not do his homework.
Thank you Drew, glad you see it the way you do. Trendsetters sometimes ruffle feathers and Aptera seems to be in that position.
Possibly the biggest difference between Archimoto and Aptera, other than the obvious physical differences and similarities, is the management. I was aware that Sandy Monro was brought in to help Archimoto rationalize its production and production efficiency. It was somewhat concealed, but Monro was rumbling back in 2021 (I think) about clients who don't listen.
Needless to say, the problem with Archimoto is that it can't produce the obviously simplified FUV with anything approaching cost efficiency and failing at that, it is slowly going broke. In otherwords, the Archimoto would represent a consumer value, even with its obvious faults, if its base price were something like $14,995 instead of $22,000 plus.
The other thing that bothers people about it is its perceived level of safety which is very 'motorcycle' like given its tube-frame and general design.
Where this item fits would be the level of the old three-wheeled Cushman Truckster that had an enclosed minimalist cabin with a four-by-four foot box. I remember the NAPA parts dealer in my old home town had one to run parts around to the various auto repair shops.
This is correct, Arcimoto is still doing many things not aligned with Sandys recommendations whereas Aptera is executing a plan that has Munro & Assoc. blueprints all over the enterprise and gives them a winning chance at being cash flow positive in record time.
Great points Drew. By “fun”, I think Arcimoto was attempting to put a + spin on all of their product’s limitations which you pointed out; can’t achieve highway speed, limited to city transport/golf cart communities. But as you right identified once again, the e-bikes more than check all of those boxes at a fraction of the price tag of Arcimoto. Keep up the great work.
The arcimoto is actually a very cool vehicle that would fulfill most of my commuter drive needs, and is a 2nd car replacement for a ton of use cases, and not an ebike replacement. I own a Renault Twizy 2seat EV for many years (bought aftermarket windows, which are a must have in the winter) , so I have a lot of experience with this small ev class. The lack of windows in the FUV is an issue in cold environments, and it is also a bit too expensive. However in the EU, where there might have been a much bigger market for it, it was never released. I still root for FUV, it's a good product, and if there was a way to buy it over here, I still might do so....
The Arcimoto is not a serious all weather vehicle. Particularly since it is an Oregon based company that baffles me.
@@garywozniak7742 Yes, that part I never understood. I drive my Twizy all year, and it's OK without heating. But Windows in the snow, rain and wind are really important. Anyway, I really like arcimoto, there are just a few things that are missing for a product that in reality (at least in Europe) covers almost 80% of my driving needs. Exceptions being only full family trips (vacation, relatives,...) and transporting really bulky things,... The rest I could totally do in an arcimoto.
@@haraldriegler6000 I live in Oregon and on my work commute I saw an Arcimoto a few months ago. It was pulling out if a side road in "farm country.:
When Arcimoto first opened reservations the target price was under $10,000. At that price it was very appealing.
Yeah, they pushed that price way too far.
False!!! There was ONLY speculation in 2018 about a *possible future mass production price based on 2018 dollars.*
$12K base price, without the trunk option, once the factory reached full automation, was the stated goal. That never happened and they started including the trunk as standard instead of a $750 option.
The first ones sold for $38K, then dropped to $25K, then to $18K without the optional trunk. I ordered mine over 3 years ago, waited a year for delivery.
Aptera has all the functionality of a normal long range EV (+ solar) other than the 2 seats for $10k less. Arcimoto has a tiny bit more functionality than a e-bike for $25k more.
Precisely!
Arcimoto would be incredible if it were priced at like $8K. Given that Indian manufacturers like Tata are able to make cars with 20kwh batteries for ~10K usd and the Chinese have cars like the cherry qq and honguan mini ev for even less I don't see why it can't be done...
You realize it’s just not being manufactured at scale right ? If they had the facility to produce 50k a year they would cost 6k each
@@tonydeveyra4611Agreed. A fair weather vehicle useful as the second car would need to be much less than 20k dollars. They would do well in tow behind a luxury class RV.
🔌🔌The local eBike shop stopped renting out their two Arcimotos due to too many issues. To go from North Scottsdale AZ to Bartlett Lake on 62 miles of hilly twisting roads would drain the battery. The bike shop owner spent too much money towing the vehicle back to the store. Plus in the summer when it is over 90F people would complain that they could not get enough airflow to cool themselves unlike a motorcycle or other three-wheelers like a Polaris Slingshot or a CanAm Spyder. An Arcimoto and Slingshot like an Aptera do not require a motorcycle endorsement on your driver's license in Arizona, unlike an open-style CanAm Spyder.🔌🔌
Do note everyone that these "paid" orders are just 100 usd reservation for the 20k+ car. That is thus just the number of people who at time of reservation
1) wanted and needed a new vehicle in the newr future
2) thought aptera was one of the better options
3) didn't want to miss out on the opertinity to purchase when it came out. Because waiting 1-2yrs was doable, but waiting 3-5 years for a car locked at this feature set was not
No telling how many will actually want it when they start shipping. People that already purchased a full self driving tesla for instance might not be able tp justify another purchase even for efficiency.
And if it gets delayed 2 more years our expectations will be vastly different. especially considering how far FSD has come in recent months
Having test driven the Arcimoto September 2022 in San Diego, I could tell you that it is a very choppy ride and the steering feel was not comfortable. Very slow to get up to speed for an electric car and truly made for golf cart communities…funny though you can’t find a proper place to put your golf bag. Yea APTERA and Arcimoto are booth 3 wheelers, but the resemblance ends right there.
Thanks for sharing!
I mean to me it was plenty quick.
And I'd driven a ludicrous model s.. And plenty of other teslas
Thanks for this comparison and explanation Drew, I think quite a few of us are having to field this unfounded and mostly negative association. This video is very well done, as always. These are exciting Aptera times!!
I just got back from the Philippines and arcimoto would be an awesome vehicle for there, and probably most of tropical asia...if it could be made and sold for ~$8k usd. I very much think it could, if a legit manufacturer were to put some work on making a proper assembly line for it. It would be awesome if say gogoro were to acquire arcimoto and design and arcimoto with swappable batteries then have foxconn manufacture them at their facility in maharashtra india
Agreed, there is an application for Arcimoto and vehicles similar to this design in other countries at a lower price point.
Nah the Aptera GLAZING is crazy. Word to Donny Temp make it rain make it rain
You mention the Aptera having 60kW DC charging - have they announced this? I was hoping for closer to 100kW peak DC charging.
The other make or break issue with the Arcimoto - was the steering effort. The geometry that worked for handling was *very* high effort at the handlebars.
60kw means 600 miles per hour which is about as fast as my model 3
@@TailosiveEV Right - it is excellent to have DC charging, and I am planning on driving my Aptera on long trips. The efficiency of the Aptera makes it much better than it appears "on paper" in every way. But 100kW peak is still realistic and relatively easy to get, I would think?
@@TailosiveEVdriving the lfp m3 it takes charge plenty fast.
Sure it could get better, but how much better?
Especially with the range/battery capacity Aptera is projecting to have.
God bless
The first LE model Apterae are likely to have a maximum charging rate between 40-60 kW DC We will know the claimed value when the PI vehicles are put through their validation testing. This could be upgraded later.
The Aptera uses 100wH/mile. The Tesla Model 3 RWD uses 255wH/mile (EPA). At 60kW 15 minutes will get you 150 miles of charge
Timing and aesthetics is an uncontrollable force
The only other similarity I can think of is... Sandy Monro. Haha!
I totally agree. Great video!
Hey, I have been following you for a while, so I started to regain faith in this company. Then, I commented on one of their videos about how it has taken 16 YEARS to get this project off the ground. Someone else mentioned that the company was founded in 2019, and they highlighted this comment. However, all my replies suggesting that person check out the 2008 Aptera Typ-1 were deleted. I've also heard that many people never received their deposits back from the 2010 debacle. I don't know; it's starting to seem suspicious.
I drove an e-bike for 7 years before getting my Arcimoto. Just last week I hauled 900 pounds of bagged potting soil in three trips - try that on an ebike! I can go to a neighboring town on a highway at 60 mph without the dangers of being on an e-bike on the shoulder. And I do stay dry in heavy rain.
In 2 years and 4 months I have still never run my FUV's battery down below 40% and that was only once. Talk about reserve! I wish there was a smaller battery option.
That’s great! I’m happy you’re finding good uses for it, but to act like everyone with an Arcimoto is hauling 900 pounds of cargo is silly
@@TailosiveEV You missed the U in FUV. Some are used to haul print orders to a post office, some are used to haul firewood in a useful amount. Some haul golf clubs. I also make 4 trips a year to the local recycling center, 11 miles away, and that's the farthest I need to travel. Ever. I take a mountain of large bags filled with plastic for recycling. Each of these are close to impossible on an ebike so stop the false narrative. I've run out of allotted posts for the day, tomorrow I'll be quoting responses to your click bait video from our Facebook owner group.
Some sure, but not most. Otherwise Arcimoto would still be in production
@@TailosiveEV You have no evidence that Arcimoto is not still in production. Caught you in another lie.
I'm going to buy an Aptera if they succeed. I saw their offroad package and like it.
You're right...buy a beefy E-bike, put a little work into making an efficient fairing to keep the worst of the weather off you, and you've got something as good as an Arcimoto for a tenth of the cost.
( plus of course it doesn't have 3 wheels! LOL!! 🤣 )
Yeah I was reading another commenter on the new Sandy munro video was saying he made his own ebike for 2k 😂
I drove an archimoto once, and it's build quality was very poor. It also had no power and was way too expensive. That I think was the main reason I feel it didn't work out
Have stock in both....Seen the Arcimoto up in Eugene OR, actually ran into one in the wilds of Eugene at a Pizza place.... it was raining, and the seats were all wet... and I thought this needs doors. Or zip canopy....something. I wish I would have not invested so much....its really just an impracticle motorcycle that takes up the space of a car. The Aptera looks like it would be a fun rental for long distance travel..... road trip. But the doors and entry and exit would be a pain in the but to deal with on the daily. All these whacky 2 seat EV's need to come in under 15K to really make headway into the market.
Aptera is a better-looking vehicle to me. Hopefully they will be available to those of us in the middle of the USA soon.
You will be able to pick it up or have it shipped, if everything goes well it will be available to the 48 states, so you can get it when your number comes up
@@Dsnybx911 Sounds good. I am not putting any money down until I see this car actually getting made. I can wait 3 or 4 years if needed.
Nailed it!
Next, do "Aptera is NOT like Elio".
That would be too easy!
@@billsmith5960 Not at all. The only Elios that ever existed were "kit car" like vehicles with no production elements and a gas motor not intended for production. The factory and engine announced for the production vehicles never existed. An announced "EV" version of the Elio was never built, and the customer deposits collected were never said to be refundable, nor were they.
Every one of these points differs from both versions of Aptera Inc. and Aptera Corp.
@@billsmith5960 Perhaps you think having 3 wheels is "quite similar". There is literally nothing else in common with either the vehicles or the companies.
Do some due diligence before posting nonsense.
@@billsmith5960 So, do I have to get specific with you? The first Aptera never went bankrupt and refunded the deposits of the pre-order holders and paid back suppliers before closing.
Elio has never paid back deposits, nor said they would.
Elio has never made more than a "Kit car" - like model. Aptera has made prototypes with production features, and is now producing the body parts from production tooling for the Production Intent validation vehicles.
Elio claimed an engine factory for a motor that didn't exist.
Aptera has signed contracts with major companies for more than 90% of the production parts at this point.
Need any more?
@@billsmith5960 You are the one who claimed they were the same. Now you try to wriggle out by calling the significant differences "moot points"?
I already showed you that some of their "so called suppliers" were fake.
Some of them didn't even exist at all.
Aptera could make a bench seat model option
The battery runs through the center of the car. I don’t think a bench will work.
@@TheScottShepard There is a raised tunnel in the center for rigidity, but the battery is not there. It's under the floor.
That’s a dang golf cart 😂
The major reason I think Aptera will succeed is because their potential market is extremely broad. If you can give average consumers a similar or perhaps even better driving experience than they are already accustomed to with modern sedans or sports cars with all of the additional benefits of the Aptera's efficiency and solar generation/fuel independence you are talking about a clearly one-sided purchasing decision from most consumers perspectives. I really think Aptera will hit an event horizon point where demand will start exceeding production capability once they start showing up in the wild and publicity and word of mouth start getting out en masse.
an arcimoto is basically a golf cart
Today I learned it’s pronounced ‘arkimoto’. I’ve been saying ‘ar-see moto’ this whole time. 😂
I might be saying it wrong 😅
@@TailosiveEV LMAO! I mispronounce words all the time too. Looked it up on a company video of theirs though. Your pronunciation is the correct one.
@@TailosiveEVyou're not lol
The Arcimoto has less utility than a Spark EV (which has the same size battery) for almost double the cost (for a used Spark). It’s also got far worse highway range.
The torque in the Spark EV was also hilarious. Just don't let all the extra weight catch you by surprise when it's time to brake.
What kind of crack are these haters taking, because it must be some good stuff? Archimoto is an electric golf cart. Aptera is an electric plane with wheels that has all the fun stuff about EVs. Plus you benefit from that dude taking the last shady spot at Target. How are either of these the same? EV Golf carts already exist and they are better and cheaper than that thing. ( no offense Achimoto fans). Bro is right, I’d definitely pick an E-bike… or a regular bike really.
Aptera is a three wheeled motorccle (no sidecar) that is wider than a Hummr H1.
@@vic321344 a motorcycle that I won’t get rained on and a hummer that is less ugly? Best of both worlds 😛
@@jorisheppard8996 Safey like a motorcycle and turning radius like a Hummer H1. Worst of 2 worlds.
@@vic321344 yeah. I don’t see the big deal here, both those vehicles get around just fine. We kind of need hummers because they need something that size to cart you around.
@@jorisheppard8996 Thats why you are the perfect Aptera customer.
They both have three wheels but there purposes are way different. 🙄😒 I need people to do their research before making statements. Because I hear a lot of talking but not enough education. It is just like the other day with OOS Reviews, Kyle, having to talk about the misunderstanding of EV'S in the cold. 🙄😒
A shame about Arcimoto. Would have been fun to own and use it to commute to work most of the year.
They’re still available!
I agree that the Arcimoto FUV is being outcompeted by much cheaper e-bikes and scooters. The Aptera vehicle may face similar competition from Tesla's forthcoming next generation platform vehicles. In areas without charging, flat well maintained roads, and owners who enjoy doing their own repairs, (e.g., off grid homes in Southern California, Arizona, Texas, New Mexico, and much of the South and Midwest) the Aptera shines. However, in cities with poorly maintained roads, widely available charging, and haters and thieves happy to vandalize or steal a slick looking vehicle, a mass produced basic Tesla may be less problematic.
Archimoto is not an all weather vehicle. Aptera is, and it really does more with less with solar power that for us would be enough to nearly eliminate charging costs. It should do very well in Europe as well with higher fuel costs and shorter trip miles on average. A stronger market base could keep this vehicle alive. Archimoto just started with a poor design and kept going with an obviously fair weather only vehicle.
Ahhhh, start producing them already! It's hard to take this company seriously until they start delivering a product. You can't "raise money" forever!
Aptera body tooling had been completed and the PI vehicles are in production. Validation testing, including crash testing will be conducted and the results published before they start delivering vehicles.
Why is this video even possible...why would anyone compare? Open air, lower range, no a/c, no solar charging, no internal amenities. Buy a Surron or Talaria, put a sprocket or upgrade power and battery and go same speed and distance for half the cost.
Arcimoto needs DC fast charging and NACS and they will sell a million!
Choosing between Aptera and a Tesla 2 is going to be difficult. Tesla has manufacturing economies of scale. The Aptera motorcycle makes the express lanes free. Tesla 2 would need to charge more on long trips. Aptera would take longer to charge on long trips. ⚖️
It’s kind of obvious to me: Arcimoto is selling a short range utility vehicle that’s road legal. *FOR $20,000* dumb.
The problem with aptera is that it costs the same as an electric sedan, but the electric sedan, while drawing a lot more power from the grid, has far more versatility. So, in the end, people will only buy an aptera because it's "cool" (most people can't afford that) or because they REALLY want to be green. The intersection of those two is a tiny fraction of the audience that a model 3 has.
Oh, and the efficiency is really only about being green. The actual savings would be in the order of $200 a year vs. something like a model 3. That is noteworthy but hardly worth getting a different vehicle. By the time the battery is dead you would only have saved something in the order of $5k. Not insubstantial, but for a new car you can easily rack up that much in options. If the options you want are 3 extra seats and a bigger trunk, well, that's pretty cheap, especially since that savings would take something like 250k miles to accrue.
This ignores all of the other problems with starting a car company. Tesla has worked through a ton of production issues, and earned some degree of trust (though, it's still shaky). Other electric vehicles are largely coming from established auto makers that only need to figure out batteries and drive trains, but can use their existing expertise in all other elements of car manufacturing. Aptera is starting from the ground, like Tesla, and is extremely unlikely to reach even Tesla's level of production quality any time in the next decade. That's another unfortunate reason that they are unlikely to have a large number of actual buyers, well, at least, any time in the near future.
Arcimoto is NOT an all weather vehicle. It is more like a Slingshot for fun on good weather days, definitely not for winter in Colorado. Not practical for me like the Aptera will be.
Can’t wait to get my Aptera and charge it in the Sunshine State. But, it appears they can’t get into production without more funding. They need a “white-knight.”
How is ev stuff going in the state of Florida? :)
I wonder if you could even use the Aptera as a golf cart haha
@@stephensullivan1011 I’m counting on 30 free miles per day via solar. If I need more, our condo association has an 11kW charger. It’s exciting
@stephensullivan1011 the Aptera is a pretty large vehicle. It's about 15 feet long and the front wheel span is 85.5 inches.
@@garywozniak7742 It’s probably the largest 2-seater ever produced. Others have said it’s about the same dimensions parking as a Hummer. But driving, it feels much smaller.
Great video, analysis and thanks for sharing!
Glad you liked it!
@@TailosiveEV Big fan of your channel! I am an Accelerator investor. I plan on flying out to pick up my Aptera hopefully by the end of 2024 or beginning of 2025 and driving it back to the Philly area. Maybe we can meetup up and you can review the vehicle on your channel and share it with everyone?
This is why the Renault Twizzy didn't do all that well - firstly it's outrageously expensive, secondly no real doors. That's why all the smart companies are making quadricycles now. They can be sub 30mph in the lighter L6e category (Citroen Ami) or pushing 60 in the L7e category (Microlino). You have a roof, doors and windows, and usually two side by side seats and often a boot. They're also, potentially cheap. Not all of them are, but plenty of them are in the affordable range and they work in all weather. I'm particularly keen on the Squad Solar and the Silence 04 which has swappable moped batteries just like they use in Asia. The Silence is also from a company that has production vehicles (mopeds which use those same batteries - they have a proper ecosystem).
That's why I don't have confidence in Aptera. It's not because it's a three wheeler or that it's far too wide to work outside the US and Australia. It's that it's not in production and making profit yet.
As with many small businesses that go bust, these EV start ups have a habit of biting off more than they can chew, and then taking forever to get into production. Arcimoto's design seems overly complicated and they don't seem to have learned from the Twizzy. Perhaps they were so oblivious they didn't know it and the Carver existed? I hope they somehow pull through, or their tech gets bought out by someone. Perhaps Aptera in the unlikely event they make it to full production and profitability. I could see them making it, against the odds but wouldn't bet on it.
All startups run at a loss until they hit mass production, but if you're like Lucid, lordstown, and Arcimoto and you don't have demand to get you to mass production, they never get profitable. Aptera has the right equation in place to reach volume with high demand, and low production costs
Aptera is a three-wheel car. Archimoto is a three-wheel dune buggy.
Nope, Aptera is a motorcycle.
The issue with Aptera is its been around forever with the basic design that was gonna have an ICE engine and people have been following and waiting forever . Thats the main thing . For whatever reasons real or imagined the release date kept getting moved , new prototypes etc , then changing to Solar / Ev and more prototypes etc etc . Supposedly the company that took many thousands of ICE aptera down payments returned all the money before bankrupting or re structuring and getting new people OR WHATEVER HAPPENED as I DONT ACTUALY KNOW and only know there has been a car called Aptera wityh this shape/ design coming out kfor like 10 or more years and always coming soon or next year . If all the money was given back OK . I imagine a mess of capitol dissapeared over the years . Im not HATING AT ALL but there IS a reason many people would think they have heard this story from Aptera for what seems like forever .
I think people also know that , As Elon has said OVER AND OVER that making a prototype and getting testing is NOT HARD in relative terms to the difficulty in actually MFG things which is like 100s or 1000 X more difficult , that ANYBODY can make a great prototype but DESIGNING AND BUILDING THE MANUFACTURING is insanely difficult . With that said , THAT would be the reason anybody would have " concerns " . Those concerns would NOT be big except if you put any money down which is probably not a bunch . With that said I think I want them to succeed , just because WHY NOT ? Will they ? IDK ? Certainly some people like or LOVE the idea of solar partially powering a vehicle and the whole minimalist concept and lightweight thing that is DIFFERENT then the othr ideas of non ICE cars that are monsterously heavy battery skateboards . For certain people and certain applications this vehicle will mean no coal plant or other energy plant is creating the electricity for X amount of miles of driving and THAT IS A COOL CONCEPT and early adopters get a boner from that idea understandably and see value at whatever the supposed price point will be.
One does have to wonder how much adoption is possible at X price point of 25-40K or whatever it is or will be as regular EVs become less expensive and if this can be scaled up to also bring prices down if EVs get cheaper and more competetive . Lots of unknowns for me , but I dont know that much . But it looks like a space ship a bit and WILL LOUDLY PROCLAIM your an individual doing something different and supporting outside the box ideas and people WILL on some level pay for that and sometimes thats how things start moving somewhat similarly to the 1st Tesla Roadster that put us where we are now.
QUESTION: Will a Chinese company copy the concept , a Chineses Company with MFG ability already making stuff that will start making something similar that is cheaper and squash them ? IDK , but , if its a viable idea that sells on some level I WOULD EXPECT an attempt . Is there enough proprietary stuff to stop that ? IDK , but wouldnt think so . Will they have enough of a lead or will it be not the largest market and be left alone to further develope and be somewhat niche and advance and adapt along with battery , solar and other technology advances , maybe . I HOPE SO , I dont want anybody to fail if they are truly in good faith making a go at something they believe in . But History doesnt look totally awesome for that Aptera name and I am not gonna go down a rabbit hole following every move they make . I did that a little bit many years ago when it was gonna be just a basic 4cyl Ice engine getting crazy mileage via weight reduction and drag co . If they can actually make them and sell them COOL . I have no money invested beyond as a citizen of U.S. for whatever govt funding they may receive etc and for that I hope it pays out and its a useful product that canbe a viable biz that creates American Jobs and Jobs elsewhere and the egineers get to see it happen . But part of me also knows NOBODY WORKS FOR FREE and others have taken salaries with start up money previously on this as well as ALL KINDS OF START UPs and on some lvel generally have little to lose personally except for not becoming Elon or ultra rich . Some people invest their own money and lose their shirt but generally not and OPERATING COSTS via funding mean they get to do whatever and pay their bills etc and some times some people make a fair amount of money just like officers in ANY company who get fat checks regardless of their or the companies success and thats how the system works .
Somebody will have the last word . I dont think that in 2-5 years if there are not Apteras running around then that name will have to be shelved . I hope they make it and everybody is happy and the supporters feel great and get to talk to all kinds of people who say WTF is THAT!!!!! or Take me to your leader or , I like nerds do you want to come home with me or just COOL car thing dude or dudette or whatever . Theres soo many things happening nobody can follow everything . if its GOOD it has chance to work , if not , less chance .I like the basic concept with one caveat being safety but perhaps I dont know enough or the trade off is considered worthwhile . I know I would prefer to be HIT by one then a 6-10k Lb EV or a monster truck in my 3000 lb hatchbACK .
Is arcimoto still alive? The website is shut down.
Yea I mean the Arcimoto can’t exist in like half the country for half the year. The real feel is less than 0 degrees Fahrenheit outside right now you’d get frostbite on an average commute
Has anyone looked at Lit Motors ? It’s a cool idea , but like the Arcimoto, when you look at the value you get , it’s ridiculous expensive. So Aptera with the current price is reasonable. If they do increase the price , I bet you only the die hards will go for it , but the masses will shy away. It will be a slow death at a higher price than currently advertised.
yeah I like everything about it except they're estimating $32K for a 170 mile range... not great
@@TailosiveEV Who's estimating that, and based on what?
Careful, you don't want the states to treat Aptera as a car.
How much would it change the efficiency of the Aptera if they went with a four wheeler version? I’m thinking just the wheel count is a huge blocker in people’s minds.
It also would add a ton of government regulation and additional testing that would increase the cost of getting to market
Ah, interesting. Perhaps it's on the horizon after the two years of back orders are built and delivered? Such plans would probably convince some more investors to join.
I agree but (idk anything) it seems Aptera has features and is doing testing that is not necessary. I think they are doing it to reassure buyers that it’s safe.
My main concern with aptera is speed bumps and potholes
5.25 inch ground clearance if i remember correctly.
It has more height than my current car. The only thing I'm worried about is exiting street parking. Not sure how the extra length of the wheel pants will affect turning radius when up against the curb.
My concerns exactly as to what speed bumps and more so, potholes would do to the hub motors.
@zmavrick because of the way the motors are designed, loads are directed away the motor rather than through it. This means that, for the most part, the motors only have to handle inertal loads. Inertial loads are distributed over the entire size of the motor, resulting in minimal deformation. So long as everything is moving as one peice, there is nothing that can get worn out.
Yeah I got the two confused for a little while. Was wanting to buy Aptera stock but I don’t think it’s available, arcimoto FUV is though 😂
Aptera might open up for IPO when they start production. A lot of cash is needed to ramp production. They’ve talked about it publicly, but without committing to it
Shares are available @$10.50/share directly from the company. It is still a private company with the hope of being a listed equity in the future.
The arcimoto is kind of cool, but is definitely not at all like aptera, is only good for around town like a scooter although more useful than a sccoter. But definitely not as useful as a car, or aptera for that matter. Apteras are so much more useful, practical and efficient.
Suggestion: slow down your delivery a bit. At end you were definitely way too fast, seemed in a rush, perhaps annoyed?
The FUV is an interesting vehicle. It should be marketed as a motorcycle and not a car replacement. Once you add doors and heat/air, it's a car. Americans are too spoiled.
We have a category called AUTOCYCLE. Half car, half motorcycle. That is how these are licensed. It will still not be a car with climate control, it will be an unsustainable, excessively heavy autocycle. Weight and power use has to be kept down to keep this a low impact design. Yes we are too spoiled as a whole. I get ridiculed just for reminding people of their obligations.
Arcimoto has no chance in the states, $20 to $25 thousand for a tuck tuck that is sold in Asia for less than $5000 and in the states is not a thing we see ever
You can BUY an Arcimoto. The Aptera is NOT for sale.
I don’t think either are in production
@@TailosiveEV Dude, I bought an Arcimoto for my twenty-two mile work commute, most of it on the I-5. Absolutely kills any Ebike. Obviously no experience with FUV life. So the vehicle delivers as advertised. I spent $22K for my FUV because I really wanted to electrify my commute. No regrets here as my first EV. However, it is my experience with Arcimoto that shows me how Aptera can avoid ALL the mistakes Arcimoto has made. As an Accelerator investor in San Diego I'm expecting my Launch Edition by next year. I thought I would sell my FUV when it arrives, but the Aptera cannot beat that Rock Star Parking. I also know I would miss the unique driving experience. So I'm likely going to keep both.
You do yourself a disservice by comparing an FUV to an Ebike, better to compare one to a Can-Am, Slingshot, Harley trike, or a EM Solo.
Use cases? The average trip in a personal vehicle in the US is three miles with one or two in a 4 seat vehicle with an empty trunk. Buyers of the FUV do all say it is FUN and what they bought as a second vehicle becomes their first choice for most trips. Get it straight. This guy sounds like he has never enjoyed a motorcycle and might be 'scared' just because there is a harness instead of useless doors.
Double A-frame suspension, crash cage and harness are proven Formula One safety measures.
Hot take: I think Aptera screwed the pooch when Gali joined the board of directors.
Granted, Aptera is a far better product than Arcimoto. But the comparison to Workhorse trucks...no. Trucks are a well established very popular form factor, and the Cybertruck has over two million reservations. Three wheeled two passenger cars, so very not an established very popular form factor, in fact it is a form factor that has yet to thrive, ever, in the 130 years of the automotive industry.
Now, yes, Tesla was the first modern EV to make it too, the past doesn't predict the future. But I still see Aptera as a small niche product as a two seater three wheel car, and I think buyers buy just the one time and they are set after that.
"is a form factor that has yet to thrive, ever, in the 130 years of the automotive industry. " this is clearly false, but you are certainly correct that it is a niche.
You have apparently never been to Thailand or other Asian countries, and are ignoring the 30 year success of the Robin, which took Reliant to the number 2 automotive manufacturer in Great Britain.
@@n.brucenelson5920 Okay, I should have said "has never thrived except in conditions of economic hardship when four wheeled cars of comparably low prices were not available." In America, people mostly buy more car than they need. In Europe, two seats is more popular but usually as a small sports car or a small city car able to handle tight city streets. Aptera is too long and too wide for that later market segment. Thinking that what people should want to buy is what people will in fact buy, especially when it definitely is not what they have been buying, is a great way to lose money and go bankrupt..
Nice cars, if I had faith in the company staying in business I might well buy one myself. But I don't see it happening.
@@tribalypredisposed I suggest you take a ride in one when you have the chance. I think a lot of people will find the experience far from what they imagined - in a good way.
I think they cost too much.
The Archimoto roadster seemed like an idea that could have been popular with motorcycle enthusiasts, but that absurd battery tunnel killed the look for me. I think they should have spent more time on the reverse trike idea, and just sold them as motorcycles. They would of course have needed to make them more streamlined and motorcycle thin. Think CanAm Spyder, but all electric.
Fun fact: Can Am actually made an EV prototype of the Spyder.
Aptera has never sold and may never sell a car. Arcimoto has sold vehicles for years. Maybe they should have teamed up.
Aptera will not sell their vehicles until they are tested and ready, unlike Tesla for one major example.
Oh boy, you are comparing a vehicle that WAS produced and people could buy to something that is completely unproven and not even started manufacturing. Which is pretty unfair. Then to compare an Arcimoto to an ebike. Really? You see, I have both! One cost $2000 and goes about 15 miles on a charge and the other cost $17500 with rebate and doors and goes 100 miles on a charge. And it goes 80mph. And can go on highways. And can get you to the other end of a small town in minutes. And is far safer. And doesn’t require me to put on googles, bike helmet, rain pains, and gloves - just to go a couple miles. So I’m calling BS on your horrible analysis. Just yikes.
Amen to that, sister! All we can do is downvote this trash and leave a fact check. Reporting it as misinformation might help but only if there are enough reports.
According to pedalelectric pedalelectric.com/blogs/journal/electric-bike-range-how-far-can-they-go#:~:text=On%20average%2C%20most%20ebikes%20will,planet%20will%20say%20thank%20you). Most e-bikes go 20-100 miles per charge. As I mentioned most don’t kill the Arcimoto in a single day (since it can’t be pedaled) meaning the range and use cases for both are quite similar. I said myself in the video how much drastically cheaper the e-bikes are which is why Arcimoto struggled with demand
@@TailosiveEV Well my bad. You are correct that ebikes go 80 mph, carry 2 people with a bunch of stuff and go 100 miles on a charge with 2 people and stuff. Obviously, you will never get wet or worry about your ebike getting stolen 🙄 Just double down on your comments.
I never claimed they have identical capabilities 😂 just said they have too much overlap
The Aptera looks like what Squidward would drive around.
Aptera is special Tesla does a lot of cost cutting but doesn’t pass it down to consumers rivian and lucid spend a lot on their cars aptera is making all the right cuts and passing it down to the cunsumer
they havent set prices yet. your "point" isnt one yet.
What? Tesla absolutely has made massive price cuts and they can do that because they hone their designs constantly and their factories. Aptera hasn't made any cuts at all or passed them on to the consumer because they're not in production. Are they aping Tesla as best they can? Sure they are, that's why they were working with Munro. But they haven't proven they can do anything yet, and won't have until they are through production hell. Even if they do, they aren't going to scale up like Tesla, their goal would be to be a future Caterham or some other niche manufacturer at low volume. Because their car has no hope of being widely adopted across the globe, as cool a toy as it is.
Yeah because they already failed once. I would love for them to release their car this year but it does not look promising if they need to push back again… archimoto made cars and were producing. But production is hard
Yep. If an arcimoto was, say, 8k, it might have a place. At 23k it sacrifices far too much from a car to warrant saving just a few thousand dollars. If your budget is that tight, get an e-bike, invest the money, and then buy a car. If your budget isn't that tight, just buy a car. An aptera is an electric car with 3 wheels. An FUV is an electric trike with a windshield.
One actually went into production. So yes they aren’t the same.
The Aptera is a 3-wheeler so it can avoid all the safety regulations required of a normal automobile. It’s really that simple. I would guess getting hit by an SUV in the Aptera would be pretty bad. Even if the Aptera can stay somewhat intact, I would guess the lack of mass is going to make injuries to occupants worse than in a regular automobile. I like the idea, and I hope they can make it long term, but as soon as cheap BEV’s get into the market from China, I would think their sales will suffer, as will other BEV makers, but Aptera especially.
We'll see when the crash test data comes out, but Aptera has excellent crumple zones on the front and back, with incredible roof and door strength due to the curved outward shape reinforced by carbon fiber
It’s probably not as safe as the safest cars. I have a Fiat 500 and it’s a death trap, but nobody comments on that. They might comment on the terrible drivetrain tho. I have an Aptera on order and I’ll be driving that instead of a motorcycle. People need to put a little more emphasis on efficiency and sustainability.
Owning an Arcimoto has made me a ninja in traffic. Defensive driving skill makes this a moot point for me, as it does for many veteran motorcylce riders.
Arcimoto was short sold at the wazoo
$25K for a glorified Ebike LOL no wonder it failed. If it was $10k maybe.
I agree; and I saw and sat in one in San Deigo at the Aptera Opening. The A. had terrible seating and position, lousy controls and too much more. Here in New England, in winter, forget it, you would need to carry a snow shovel and a heat gun to get out of it after driving it for 10 minutes. Winter range? never mind. They cannot die off fast enough.
Dictionary, state law and insurer definitions of autocycles vs. e-bikes are all there is, and they all expose the ignorant lies attempted in this video. Reported for misinformation with malicious intent and downvoted. I suggest you do the same if you care about the internet going foul with toxic liars.
Never claimed they’re the same thing, I said they have similar use cases
They are going out of business but Akimoto has definitely sold more than any vaporware Aptera has ever sold and who knows if they’re ever going to make it to production or single public delivery
Sold more but not many
Was obvious arcimoto was a scam from get go. Stock was pumped by youtubers. Dont know why sandy munro propagated that pipe dream. They have a huge pricing issue. That thing needs to cost 10k max
Arcimoto is a good reason to not trust Saint Sandy Munro Almighty. Everyone seems to think that everything he says is gold but his company backs Arcimoto & in my opinion anything he has a dollar invested in you can't trust his word.
Interesting points made here. Sandy also backed the now defunct NOBE EV
I believe aptera would be on the road now if he didn’t talk aptera into going for higher production rates, Sandy did invest his time and maybe gave them some good ideas that slowed down the release date too.
Any dishonest attempts to compare the genius Arcimoto design to an e-bike are absurd lies. Downvoted and reported as misinformation.
I drove the solar/pedal powered Organic Transit ELF velomobile for 7 years as my only transportation - it is seen in my avatar image. 170 pounds, 20 mph top speed with motor power, it is the most elaborate, safe and expensive e-bike ever made. Going so long without a car and all those expenses is the only reason I could pay cash for my Arcimoto 2 years ago. NO COMPARISON!! Except that they are both sustainable designs.
According to pedalelectric pedalelectric.com/blogs/journal/electric-bike-range-how-far-can-they-go#:~:text=On%20average%2C%20most%20ebikes%20will,planet%20will%20say%20thank%20you). Most e-bikes go 20-100 miles per charge. As I mentioned most don’t kill the Arcimoto in a single day (since it can’t be pedaled) meaning the range and use cases for both are quite similar. I said myself in the video how much drastically cheaper the e-bikes are which is why Arcimoto struggled with demand
You can buy an Arcimoto, you can’t buy an Aptera!!!!
I could but i wouldn't.
Not many did by it
Arcimoto costs WAY too much for what it is. With Aptera, the top people (three CEOs (two Co-CEOs)... seriously?) each has a salary over $200K on top of the HUGE amount of stock and stock options, which is WAY too high for a crowd-funded start-up.
Arcimoto is the exact opposite of 'expensive' when compared to real world pricing of EVs today. The average price of a new EV in the US is $60,000. And none of those costly vehicles offer you a gigantic discount on insurance every year. Autocycles get the motorcycle rate for insurance. Mine is just $134/yr for a good Allstate policy. If I still had a car it would be costing me at least $1500 every year for insurance alone! Plus I don't buy gas.
You need a reality check. Used EVs at used car prices will be a growing part of the personal vehicle market soon. If that's all you can afford, fine. But don't shit on good American designs just because you can't manage your personal finances.
One big difference between Acrimoto and Aptera is this. Acrimoto actually delivered a few vehicles before failing. Aptera has already failed once without delivering any vehicles and so far is not making any vehicles to sell.
People want normal sized SUVs. Period. They (as I do) have kids, dogs, etc., they want to go out of the city together. And even young married couples usually plan to have a family and they prefer a corresponding practical vehicle. Guess what, even 3door suvs always fail - people prefer 5d variants. So, all the cars from the video will likely fail and will be forgotten. Considering current economic and political situation nobody wants experimental small electric toys, just normal suvs/cars, which can do everything and carry all the stuff and family
And yet they have 45k preorders. It's not the One Car That Meets All Needs, but it certainly has a place in the market.
Preorders is an enthusiast thing, probably. Going out to a real market is different. I wish them success anyway and I hope I’m completely wrong!
@@billsmith5960 Elio Motors was never a serious company, unlike Aptera Corp. They never came close to a production vehicle. Aptera has completed tooling and is producing production parts now.
Of course, Aptera is not like Arcimoto. Arcimoto actually built vehicles while Aptera only makes videos about vehicles that may or may not ever be built.
$25 thousand is the reason no one wants it, maybe if they want $7 or $8 thousand dollars brand new ?
At least Arcimoto delivered vehicles. Aptera is not like Arcimoto. Because it will never deliver anything.
Next year
I bet you 1 year from now you won't be talking about Aptera anymore unless its how/why they failed.
Time will tell. I think there us a market for it and if they can get the three wheel models into production they can work on the four door five passenger version with four wheels.
Despite the counter claims that the grid can handle etc we are already seeing infrastructure issues and problems and wait line at public charging stations. The efficiency of the Aptera and the potential miles of range from the solsr panels is going to resulting on a vehicle that has to compete much less or not all for public chargers or grid charging altogether.
I’ll take that bet in a heartbeat!
There is not a market for Slingshots and there is not a market for Can-Am's. Granted the Aptera is supposedly a car, but its not.@@garywozniak7742
@@jayp.4381 Even the Aptera prototype my wife and I rode in in 2021 exceeded the performance of our present Honda in every important respect, including cargo capacity and volume. Your distinction has zero practical importance.
@@n.brucenelson5920 In the state of Texas the Aptera is designated as a motorcycle and requires a helmet for minors if they ride as a passenger. I had a reservation for an Aptera last year and got this notification from them. Aptera has alot riding against it and based on their history I'm predicting they don't make it. I guess we'll see...
The company ran out of money.
Aptera has the same problem.
Right, Arcimoto built and sold vehicles. Aptera did not.