And lets not forget, Jeff didn't just learn and play all of these amazing tracks that he saw on the internet, he wrote them. It's even more impressive when you consider what Steve Lukather said to Rick Beato the other day about how many takes Jeff would need in the studio. To over-simplify, the answer is...one.
I guess he must have written a lot of them, I don't much about much about it, but as David Paich wrote so many of the songs I suppose Jeff had the big input to the drums but where Rosanna is concerned his own description was that he "stole" from Bernard Purdie of Steely Dan and John Bonham of Led Zeppelin, he made his own hybrid and added a Bo Diddley beat so not much of it was original but the ability to see the potential and put it together was his strong point.
In Luke and Paich’s interview with the professor of rock… They said the entire take on the album was the second take… solos and all. No rehearsals. Unbelievable.💪👍🥃
Michael Alba was my drum teacher, and the final test in his first module is to play Rosanna. He literally had every note down because he wrote the sheet music himself. The best Filipino drummer ever in my opinion!
@@gilbertestrada9858 I think it's good to be proud of your country and your people. However, I also look forward to a day when we treat eachother as people first and 'race' or 'ethnicity' second. Original I know...
What’s most important is that Jeff made the ghosting sound like it wasn’t even there. Most of the covers ghosted way too much except the last young kid
Yup. Well, almost. You can hear them part of the time but there's someof echo that's going on that kind of muddies them. But yes he's playing them softly and that's hard to do to come off something soft and then give that pop. That's why Jeff was who he was and played with Steely Dan on tour for a time period along with lots of other playing before being in Toto. If he trained in music (reading) he probably would have done a bit of other work too. I'd say the last two drummers were fine on that. First two, not so much.
Hearing the isolated drums it sounds like they were gated out for the first half, but as it progresses you can hear the ghost notes more clearly in the later half. They're still technically there, just for the first half the studio gated the notes out to where you can barely hear it at first.
You are all missing the point! The creator of the beat is no doubt, THE BEST! That's a given! And we all appreciate Jeff's contribution to the Drum world. The concept of the post was to give tribute to the creator's legacy of creating one of the best drum patterns of music! ~and this was a study presention on those who covered it. That's why there were assessments on several of them.
Funny story. I met a guy a few years ago who’s mom knew Jeff in the 80’s. He knew I was a hack drummer so he was telling me how he got to hang out with him quite a bit and what a nice guy he was. He was shocked when I told him he was one of the all time greats and makes some top 10 lists of all time. I think it’s a real tribute to Jeff that a young kid that hung out with him when he was in one of the biggest bands in the world remembers him as a nice guy and not a “rock star”. It’s too bad he died so young.
#7 ● UNCHAINED MELODY (originally by Todd Duncan) Oh, my love My darling I've hungered for your touch A long, lonely time And time goes by so slowly And time can do so much Are you still mine? I need your love I need your love God speed your love to me Lonely rivers flow to the sea, to the sea To the open arms of the sea Yes, lonely rivers sigh, "Wait for me, wait for me I'll be coming home, wait for me" Oh, my love My darling I've hungered, hungered for your touch A long, lonely time And time goes by so slowly And time can do so much Are you still mine? I need your love I, I need your love God speed your love to me.. ●●●●●●●●●●●●●●●●●●●●●●●●●●●
When I heard Alba I went "there, it's perfect" everybody else is pushing the feel. That guy is laid back, another proof that If you're relaxed and confident that's how the groove will sound
This is one of those grooves I've practiced and played for years and some days I still nail it better than others. Its such a vibe and feel. Same with bonhams.
Everyone did a great job, but Michael Alba’s ghost notes are Clean and effortless. His playing flows because of his technique and dynamics are very close to the original in my opinion. He plays with the confidence of maybe a Simon Phillips. Again he’s compact, smooth and effortless. In the end this all proves how really great Jeff was.
There can never be too much attention paid to the Rosanna Shuffle. I saw Dennis Chambers use it as a demonstration of how to take something iconic and make it your own. This was back in the mid-90s, so I’ve been thinking about it for awhile myself. Thanks for another very enjoyable video.
Makes you appreciate Jeff even more…The air in his ghost notes, the dance between the kick and the snare, the simple perfection in his high hat shuffle. If you wanna rate a drummer’s skill listen to his shuffle, NOBODY did it better than Jeff.
I dont know how many times they repeated for this cover, but im sure Michael Alba only once, no editting or cleaning up mess fill, because it was done in front of his students 👌
I was at that Michael Alba drum clinic (you can see me sporting a gray shirt and bobbing my head along with the groove). Overall, every drummer involved had their own little flavor. I'm glad that you posted your short cover, too.
I have been spending last few weeks working on my Purdie shuffle, Rosanna, fool in the rain half time shuffle. It has taken me very long time to start getting my ghost notes together . Watched a bunch of different TH-cam guides and each one helped me with things to practice, started very slow, then kept increasing tempo, Finally after 3 weeks it’s finally starting to sound good to me where i dont want to throw my sticks down in anger and quit
the power of music, amazing how it can translate millions of details, even when you are up there just a really freaking good drummer, playing the parts. the playing stills displays rushing, fun, stress on the hat, confidence, style or many very HUMAN attributes. there is no way to hear 5 secs of someone playing and NOT feel something very unique and sublte, that vehicule is just the beauty of that art, it carries your soul even in a short example, it just amazes me every day.
I'm taking a selfish opportunity to say that I love Jeff! He's my all-time top influence, and yes, an absolute Jedi master.. Thank you for giving us reason to keep him relevant and never forgotten. Great (funny) video - like always!
Simon Phillips is one of the best drummers on earth, and he played Rosanna with Toto vastly differently than Jeff. Of the four drummers compared in this video, the fellow calling himself 'Fourth Note' had this down-pat. The average listener isn't looking for perfection compared to the record. They just want it to sound awesome, and there are a lot of ways to make a song sound awesome.
I went to M.I. (P.I.T) Hollywood, CA. in 1999 - 2000. It was at that time still part of our curriculum. I heard guys play this every single day. Happy to say that I now teach, and have taught this shuffle for 20+ years.
The beat is just the Purdie shuffle, triplet variation but the reason it’s so good is the consistency, when playing this song you need consistency which is one of the best drum Ideas ever
@@branwerks6978 Ok the base of what is played is the Purdue shuffle, that’s how I learned to play the song... then adding doubles as n every other ghost note
Porcaro said that he blended the Purdie half-time shuffle with Bonham's shuffle groove from Fool in the Rain, and added a Bo Diddley figure in the bass.
@@robsmalls9656 Yeah, it's hard to listen to certain artists nowadays. music I rocked out to in high school sounds a lot different nowadays... it's hard to ignore how little credit black musicians receive.
@@panchoantonetti5057 Porcaro does and graciously so on his Dec. 7, 2017 video. He says he "stole" it from Purdie and blended it with a piece by Bonham.
I liked the last drummer having Fun doing his thing. That’s how I learned 40 yrs ago. Had I put so much emphasis on perfection, I probably wouldn’t have as much originality and diversity in my playing style today. If I cover a song your going to get me.
OMG YOU HAVE SIR MIKE HERE! HE'S A FAMOUS LEADING BEST DRUMMER, AND LEADING MUSIC TEACHER HERE IN THE PHILIPPINES. A LEGEND I SAY! Another fact he Graduated at the LOS ANGELES MUSIC ACADEMY (LAMA) Major in Drums!
I think you're right on point about this groove needing to be so solid, yet requiring a lot of finesse, from the ghost notes to that bass drum shuffle. This is definitely an iconic groove. I think it would be interesting to do a comparison between the Fool in the Rain shuffle, the Purdie shuffle, and the Rosanna shuffle. Even though they're so similar they all have their own feel and it's interesting to analyze what each drummer does with it.
Similarly, a comparison and analysis of Charles Connor's version of the "Keep a Knockin'" intro th-cam.com/video/PcJrExewkYA/w-d-xo.html open.spotify.com/track/7j2yNW7bjEHfRirQddwOLQ (done under the creative direction of the Greatest himself, of course blog.ponderosastomp.com/2017/09/keep-knockin-charles-connor/ ) and Earl Palmer's version from the Vee-Jay recording th-cam.com/video/70GSplzvEp4/w-d-xo.html open.spotify.com/track/3hReJLogNu7kDzBmSKbQHe . (Bonham's tribute th-cam.com/video/RCN6eRVav5k/w-d-xo.html open.spotify.com/track/4PRGxHpCpF2yoOHYKQIEwD sounds as if it's based more on the Earl Palmer version.) Anyone who can explain the differences and the things in common, and then reproduce them on the kit, knows a thing or two about backbeat drumming.
First spotted Jeff Porcaro drumming on early episodes of The Sonny & Cher Comedy Hour, and then got see him live with the duo on Sunday March 19, 1972 at a Fort Wayne, Indiana concert ... when he was still just 17 years old!
Michael at 17:14 is the one I vote for - the heads are tuned right for the song and he is cautious not to add too many ghost notes with his right hand - overall he is the guy to pick IMHO
None of us are Jeff. Jeff has unreal feel that is better than all of us. When I play it, I’m too fast or missing something. Respect to anyone who tries.
I love Nate. I bought his course, learned a ton. When I was just starting or was about to start learning drums, he replied to a question I posted on reddit. I didn't know he had a channel and that he taught drums. Really kind of him to weigh in on a clueless stranger soliciting insight. That being said, my ego takes a hit when I watch his videos describing what a good drummer is. I get it, I'd be able to pick apart basketball players' abilities (because that's what I know). But still I can't nitpick these guys even I tried really hard; they sound spot on to me. It's not Nate though; it's the internet. So many talented people. Even the idea of getting close to theur level appear implausible. And I've been banging on my cheap e-drums for 3.5 years now.
3.5 years is a good beginning. Most of these people have been playing for decades. Even Sina has been playing for about 10 years. So go easy on yourself, it takes time (and timing lol) to learn an instrument as complex as the drums.
My favorite is Andrea Mattia because he feels the triplet in a more laid-back way than the other guys. I can hear the spacing of every one of his ghost notes loud and clear. Not to mention he's playing with traditional grip and the little hi-hat inflections are tasty as heck! That being said, I love how you're promoting these drummers around the world. Props to you and everyone else for giving their best shot!
All those little touches, like the way Steve leans in on certain kicks and heavy on the back beat is what made his playing feel so good. Edit: I love when drummers sing along with the lyrics.
Yeah, have to agree. Alba nailed it. Amazing how little differences can make a huge change in the sound. First time here. Great vid. Toto’s work is really incredible. Even their early stuff was well developed and rounded. I had the pleasure years ago of stumbling upon Jeff’s video of how he put together Rosanna. He had a fascinating depth of knowledge of theory and math and was able create music like a Good smooth whisky. We lost a great man in his death. Cheers!
Hey 80/20 drummer, this was my favorite video of yours. Good for you placing yourself in the mix. Your Jazz background is ingrained in you, and hard to escape in this pop tune. I think 1 extra week of shedding on this tune would have brought up your delivery even more. All great examples in this video. Including yourself.
❤ In the intro, not all the ghost notes of the shuffle are played, the ghost notes are added in order and added together until we reach the shuffle that we know. All of this happens between the initial fill and the second time the verse is sung (from 0:00 to 0:39) It can be noticed if we listen to the drums isolated without instruments or voice. Jeff was a genius
For me it's something like that, but there's also a laid-back coolness to Jeff's version. His shuffle just sounds easy and effortless, while it sounds a little "tenser" on a few of the other versions, and, though the beat is busy, it never feels "rushed" in Jeff's take on it, while in others it seems to feel a bit too "on top of the beat" or perhaps even pushing the beat.
It seems like most of the drummers are playing very staccato on the hats in a downward motion compared to JP playing in a more push and pull, which gives it more dynamics and a smoother swing. Check out Todd Sucherman and how he explains the hat styles of Jeff.
Great observation on the inner gears and resulting that great groove. All wind-up watches have gears and springs, but Porcaro, like a fine Swiss piece, has more. Like ghost notes, these inner subtleties aren't meant to be obvious, just registered in the brain.
As a producer who doesn't drum this was super educational. You can really feel the groove with Michael Alba's cover which makes such a big difference in musicality!
Simon really nailed Rosanna, especially on the 35th Anniversary! Took him some time to learn and to adapt the Groove, in 1992/1993 his version sounded very stiff and too fast. But he evolved - that shows what a great successor he was to Jeff.
A drummer in a bar one night mentioned Simon Philips playing for Toto. He ask , " Have you had a chance to hear Toto live with Simon Philps yet?". I went home to play it and listened. Philips is now one of my favorites since hearing him for the very first time. Anyone else feel this way?
@@drumchaser6712 I 100% agree. He is one of the greats. Their are so many great drummers out there of all different styles it's like I discover someone new everyday.
Not being a musician but having a couple of piano lessons as a kid I encountered the Rosanna Shuffle back in 1982 as a friend was practising right next room on its drums. He was not on the level of any YT drummer you mentioned. But ... back in that time there was no video showing Jeff swinging the sticks, no lecture book and so on. We just repeadedly listend just the intro for an hour playing the lp and analyzing the beat. Now 40 years later the shuffle is still ikonic like it was right after publishing the song. You recognize the song just on the first half second of Jeffs intro.
Do the drummer's have large talons? All these drummers are good but they need more skills. You know like nunchuck skills, bow hunting skills, computer hacking skills. Girls only want drummers who have great skills!
That pile of broken cymbals reminds me of when I used to buy damaged cymbals in bulk, put them on the lathe to cut them down to remove the damage, then thin them out to the correct weight for their new size. I still have a few on my own kit, and it's probably been 15 years since I was lathing cymbals. I used to thin them for other drummers, I did a few Soultone prototypes back then, some prewar A Zildjians, a brand new Spizzichino ride for a friend, etc. I had to make a tool to perfectly match the finish of the Spizzichino. Those were some good times. I met a lot of really cool people back then!
True! Jeff didn’t ghost too much at the beginning of the tune on the recording, but he evolves the groove as the tune progresses and ghosts a helluva lot more as the tune progresses. This was a great video. I’m not critiquing anyone’s performance. I just really like that people digest music and everyone digests differently and this video demonstrates that very well. I appreciate everyone’s take on this lick. It’s not an easy one to play.
yep, and he got one of the most important details, he didn't go all in with playing every ghost note right from the start! It's a shuffle, and the swung sixteenths need to be established before the triplet note between them becomes too much of a focus!
Not really. Remarkable for a 10 year old but the bass drum is too weak compared to a heavy handed shuffle : it does not groove enough. I find all her other covers fantastic though.
@@duprattcarol I agree, it's pretty impressive for a 10 y/o and i read so many comments asking why she's not on the list and here's why. Her timing and ghost notes are not as clean as the ones on this video.
That Michael Alba killed it but, everyone played this fine. I mean, it's a hard piece and if I'm being honest it's missing the transitions that are actually noticable and...only one of these people had a transition that was a little shaky.
If we put in age as denominator Yoyoko could have been the best. But age aside - and only the playing as is - she still lack the finesse and feel that the others here have shown. But of course Yoyoko is still developing in this aspect.
![How to play the Rosanna Half Time Shuffle [5 Steps Program] (Walkthrough)](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/AamLEyu8cKM/mqdefault.jpg)
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0:45 Normal people: obsessed with Toto’s “Africa”.
Drummers: obsessed with Toto’s “Rosanna”.
Some drummers are obsessed with "Africa," as well. Jeff, Joe, and Lenny Castro - rhythm section of doom.
Drummers also should dig Pamela and These Chains... A Jedi Master of drumming indeed.
@@faustomadebr Hear, hear!
I hate Africa, and I am not a drummer.
Playing a shuffle while on pocket. 👌. It’s so rewarding.
And lets not forget, Jeff didn't just learn and play all of these amazing tracks that he saw on the internet, he wrote them.
It's even more impressive when you consider what Steve Lukather said to Rick Beato the other day about how many takes Jeff would need in the studio. To over-simplify, the answer is...one.
I guess he must have written a lot of them, I don't much about much about it, but as David Paich wrote so many of the songs I suppose Jeff had the big input to the drums but where Rosanna is concerned his own description was that he "stole" from Bernard Purdie of Steely Dan and John Bonham of Led Zeppelin, he made his own hybrid and added a Bo Diddley beat so not much of it was original but the ability to see the potential and put it together was his strong point.
In Luke and Paich’s interview with the professor of rock…
They said the entire take on the album was the second take… solos and all.
No rehearsals.
Unbelievable.💪👍🥃
@@susanallan-c4828 he didn't steal he added new layers to love. He served the music first and foremost
I heard it took month to finish Rosanna and he overdub the breaks afterwards etc..
It was work in Progress and sure not finished in one take
@@TheHasenbock doesn’t matter it’s perfect however he did it
Michael Alba was my drum teacher, and the final test in his first module is to play Rosanna. He literally had every note down because he wrote the sheet music himself. The best Filipino drummer ever in my opinion!
Michael Alba made the tip of the drum sticks sing the lyrics of the song...., this cover is contagious I'm 'infected' too hehehe
How about just Great Drummer ? I hate when we make race identity out of enjoyable situations. We are the Human Race.
@@gilbertestrada9858 I think it's good to be proud of your country and your people. However, I also look forward to a day when we treat eachother as people first and 'race' or 'ethnicity' second. Original I know...
I agree on that..kabayan! 😊
Si Willie Revillame parin ang #1 drummer. Lahat ng chicks lalapit at kakapit. 🤪🤪
What’s most important is that Jeff made the ghosting sound like it wasn’t even there. Most of the covers ghosted way too much except the last young kid
Avery?
Exactly!!! And the guy who’s judging a nit picking can hardly play the fucking drums , that’s the only thing I’d add.
Yup. Well, almost. You can hear them part of the time but there's someof echo that's going on that kind of muddies them. But yes he's playing them softly and that's hard to do to come off something soft and then give that pop. That's why Jeff was who he was and played with Steely Dan on tour for a time period along with lots of other playing before being in Toto. If he trained in music (reading) he probably would have done a bit of other work too.
I'd say the last two drummers were fine on that. First two, not so much.
Hearing the isolated drums it sounds like they were gated out for the first half, but as it progresses you can hear the ghost notes more clearly in the later half. They're still technically there, just for the first half the studio gated the notes out to where you can barely hear it at first.
YUP!
NO ONE- NOBODY EVER played with the feel, the groove, the funk, the soul of El Jefe! Jeff was INCREDIBLE!
maybe Steve Gadd? Bernard Purdie?
@incognitoone well ok, you definitely got me there lol! Buy Jeff was my favorite, idk why
@@markcatanzaro9699 All's cool. I love Jeff myself. He's up there with the two previous cats I mntioned. :)
@@incognitoone agreed!
All this did was make me really appreciate Jeff’s playing even more. His feel is unreal. Everybody sounded great but there is only one Jeff.
This ^ 100%
GREAT COMMENT. 100% AGREE !!!
You are all missing the point! The creator of the beat is no doubt, THE BEST! That's a given! And we all appreciate Jeff's contribution to the Drum world.
The concept of the post was to give tribute to the creator's legacy of creating one of the best drum patterns of music! ~and this was a study presention on those who covered it.
That's why there were assessments on several of them.
Funny story. I met a guy a few years ago who’s mom knew Jeff in the 80’s. He knew I was a hack drummer so he was telling me how he got to hang out with him quite a bit and what a nice guy he was. He was shocked when I told him he was one of the all time greats and makes some top 10 lists of all time. I think it’s a real tribute to Jeff that a young kid that hung out with him when he was in one of the biggest bands in the world remembers him as a nice guy and not a “rock star”. It’s too bad he died so young.
Thanks for this great story!
Jeff was a genius to combine Purdie Bonham and Bo Diddley into a shuffle
Their versions are both shuffles too
I prefer the Meatloaf Bat Out of Hell shuffle
@@pietzsche yes I know this I said he was genius to pull those two elements together in one to create a new one
#7 ● UNCHAINED MELODY
(originally by Todd Duncan)
Oh, my love
My darling
I've hungered for your touch
A long, lonely time
And time goes by so slowly
And time can do so much
Are you still mine?
I need your love
I need your love
God speed your love to me
Lonely rivers flow to the sea, to the sea
To the open arms of the sea
Yes, lonely rivers sigh, "Wait for me, wait for me
I'll be coming home, wait for me"
Oh, my love
My darling
I've hungered, hungered for your touch
A long, lonely time
And time goes by so slowly
And time can do so much
Are you still mine?
I need your love
I, I need your love
God speed your love to me..
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When I heard Alba I went "there, it's perfect" everybody else is pushing the feel. That guy is laid back, another proof that If you're relaxed and confident that's how the groove will sound
Yeah everyone else looked like they were concentrating hard and he was just laid back like it was a basic beat.
Exactly. The beat is almost supposed to feel a milli second behind. Like trying to catch up.
Agree
Yes, exactly. It's all about feel. I wish I could play that song half as good as these guys.
This is one of those grooves I've practiced and played for years and some days I still nail it better than others. Its such a vibe and feel. Same with bonhams.
Everyone did a great job, but Michael Alba’s ghost notes are Clean and effortless. His playing flows because of his technique and dynamics are very close to the original in my opinion. He plays with the confidence of maybe a Simon Phillips. Again he’s compact, smooth and effortless. In the end this all proves how really great Jeff was.
Michael Alba nailed its perfectly. Sound, groove and way it just sits in the song.
There can never be too much attention paid to the Rosanna Shuffle. I saw Dennis Chambers use it as a demonstration of how to take something iconic and make it your own. This was back in the mid-90s, so I’ve been thinking about it for awhile myself. Thanks for another very enjoyable video.
Dennis plays a version of it during the chorus of this tune with scofield - th-cam.com/video/-e35UeLoh50/w-d-xo.html
Dennis Chambers...one of the first instructional videos I bought....way back on vhs...haha
I never heard of Alba until today. His rendition was by far the best...kudos ,amigo!
“Cancelled for breakfast”. I nearly spit my cereal 🥣
Makes you appreciate Jeff even more…The air in his ghost notes, the dance between the kick and the snare, the simple perfection in his high hat shuffle. If you wanna rate a drummer’s skill listen to his shuffle, NOBODY did it better than Jeff.
I dont know how many times they repeated for this cover, but im sure Michael Alba only once, no editting or cleaning up mess fill, because it was done in front of his students 👌
Sounds right too
@@InYourDreams-Andia In your dreams
I was at that Michael Alba drum clinic (you can see me sporting a gray shirt and bobbing my head along with the groove). Overall, every drummer involved had their own little flavor. I'm glad that you posted your short cover, too.
I have been spending last few weeks working on my Purdie shuffle, Rosanna, fool in the rain half time shuffle. It has taken me very long time to start getting my ghost notes together . Watched a bunch of different TH-cam guides and each one helped me with things to practice, started very slow, then kept increasing tempo, Finally after 3 weeks it’s finally starting to sound good to me where i dont want to throw my sticks down in anger and quit
Michael Alba! Wow, well done. He plays with a confidence that I didnt hear from any other covers. Plus, hes super laid back and totally in the pocket.
Michael Alba's just felt SOOOO right and musical.
right?
Michael Alba NAILED that groove, tone-wise even in comparison to the following drummer
Michael Albas
Filipinos Forevrr
the power of music, amazing how it can translate millions of details, even when you are up there just a really freaking good drummer, playing the parts. the playing stills displays rushing, fun, stress on the hat, confidence, style or many very HUMAN attributes. there is no way to hear 5 secs of someone playing and NOT feel something very unique and sublte, that vehicule is just the beauty of that art, it carries your soul even in a short example, it just amazes me every day.
Michael Alba is one of the best teacher here in the Philippines.. inch by inch detail by detail
Proud student here!!!😊😊😊✌️✌️
I loved your coverage! Great cut aways from segments and then back into the content! Hilarious and enjoyable...
By the way Michael Alba’s cover is OUTSTANDING! Spot on! And the sound of his drum set wooow!
th-cam.com/video/p8Cno21yO4c/w-d-xo.html
I agree with your top pic. He also seems to be the most relaxed with doing this cover.
"Of course, I get cancelled for breakfast." LOL
Even when you play every note perfectly, you still don't have the feeling that Jeff put in to it. He is amazing
sir Alba probably the greatest in the Philippines, especially his influence, traveling around the country giving master classes 👌👌👌
The secret to a quality "Rosanna Shuffle" is the hi-hat groove and the subtle, yet consistent ghost notes on the snare.
"complete stranger reacts to absolutely nothing". Pissed myself thanks.
what about Yoyoka?
Michael Alba’s is the best. Absolutely. I always loved that one
Really enjoyable video - anyone who can get up and play deserves credit. Putting it out there takes guts as you set yourself up for a knockdown.
Nate's always a winner! I give him a 10 for the guts to put himself out there! 🥁❤
Woaaahhhh! You have chosen my favorite drummer in my country. That makes me proud. Thanks
I'm taking a selfish opportunity to say that I love Jeff! He's my all-time top influence, and yes, an absolute Jedi master.. Thank you for giving us reason to keep him relevant and never forgotten. Great (funny) video - like always!
Awesome!! and your Sense of humour unmatched, best song 👍
I agree, but what about Yoyoka?:-)
You actually had the best dynamics. From verse to semi, to chorus, the dynamic change is the best out here.
no way...
I love that Nate is just trying the whole time to not cheese the camera
cover three for me that hihat and snare at 6;21ish.. brilliant... the whole thing stands out to me
Simon Phillips is one of the best drummers on earth, and he played Rosanna with Toto vastly differently than Jeff. Of the four drummers compared in this video, the fellow calling himself 'Fourth Note' had this down-pat. The average listener isn't looking for perfection compared to the record. They just want it to sound awesome, and there are a lot of ways to make a song sound awesome.
I went to M.I. (P.I.T) Hollywood, CA. in 1999 - 2000. It was at that time still part of our curriculum. I heard guys play this every single day. Happy to say that I now teach, and have taught this shuffle for 20+ years.
The beat is just the Purdie shuffle, triplet variation but the reason it’s so good is the consistency, when playing this song you need consistency which is one of the best drum
Ideas ever
"Just" the Purdie Shuffle ? Really ?
@@branwerks6978 Ok the base of what is played is the Purdue shuffle, that’s how I learned to play the song... then adding doubles as n every other ghost note
Agreed benard purdie is the dude
Porcaro said that he blended the Purdie half-time shuffle with Bonham's shuffle groove from Fool in the Rain, and added a Bo Diddley figure in the bass.
@@JohnSmith-oe5kx exactly
The Yoyoka cover, done when she was just 10 years old, definitely should be included. She’s a drummer to keep an eye on.
Proud student here of Michael Alba he's a world class drummer!🥁🥁🥁👍👍👍
Love all of it! I don't care who wins... great to see these great players, compliments of YOU!
Jeff’s work on Jackson Browne’s The Prentender, is some of his best. The whole song is in such a tight pocket
Such a good song.
Great lyrics.👍🥃
Really enjoyed your critiques & commentary in general, great vidya!
No mention of Bernard Purdie as the 'fountain' of this groove?
just another black man not getting any credit.
I was waiting for that all vid. Do you know if pocaro credits purdie at all?
@@CaptMang I'm so ashamed of being white. I think I'll just crawl under a rock. Maybe leave all my possessions to the BLM organization.
@@robsmalls9656 Yeah, it's hard to listen to certain artists nowadays. music I rocked out to in high school sounds a lot different nowadays... it's hard to ignore how little credit black musicians receive.
@@panchoantonetti5057 Porcaro does and graciously so on his Dec. 7, 2017 video. He says he "stole" it from Purdie and blended it with a piece by Bonham.
I liked the last drummer having Fun doing his thing.
That’s how I learned 40 yrs ago.
Had I put so much emphasis on perfection, I probably wouldn’t have
as much originality and diversity in my playing style today. If I cover a song your going to get me.
OMG YOU HAVE SIR MIKE HERE! HE'S A FAMOUS LEADING BEST DRUMMER, AND LEADING MUSIC TEACHER HERE IN THE PHILIPPINES. A LEGEND I SAY!
Another fact he Graduated at the LOS ANGELES MUSIC ACADEMY (LAMA) Major in Drums!
It's the kick on Michael Alba's cover that elevates it above all the others for me. Perfect timing, perfect tone
I think you're right on point about this groove needing to be so solid, yet requiring a lot of finesse, from the ghost notes to that bass drum shuffle. This is definitely an iconic groove.
I think it would be interesting to do a comparison between the Fool in the Rain shuffle, the Purdie shuffle, and the Rosanna shuffle. Even though they're so similar they all have their own feel and it's interesting to analyze what each drummer does with it.
Similarly, a comparison and analysis of Charles Connor's version of the "Keep a Knockin'" intro th-cam.com/video/PcJrExewkYA/w-d-xo.html open.spotify.com/track/7j2yNW7bjEHfRirQddwOLQ (done under the creative direction of the Greatest himself, of course blog.ponderosastomp.com/2017/09/keep-knockin-charles-connor/ ) and Earl Palmer's version from the Vee-Jay recording th-cam.com/video/70GSplzvEp4/w-d-xo.html open.spotify.com/track/3hReJLogNu7kDzBmSKbQHe . (Bonham's tribute th-cam.com/video/RCN6eRVav5k/w-d-xo.html open.spotify.com/track/4PRGxHpCpF2yoOHYKQIEwD sounds as if it's based more on the Earl Palmer version.) Anyone who can explain the differences and the things in common, and then reproduce them on the kit, knows a thing or two about backbeat drumming.
"When The levee Breaks" has a pretty good shuffle to it as well.
Interesting video my friend. Love it, not sure of the tuning on the snare. Rock on!!
Suprised Yoyoka Soma isn't here. She does a wicked Purdie Suffle
same. That cute little gremlin kills it. It has to be one of the most difficult songs she plays.
A Purdie Soufflé?
@@thecrippledrummer I am the best at typos 😀
@@thecrippledrummer Yep, and I bet one day she will create her own drum beat that will have her name. She's that good.
What do you expect from a 9yr old who generally plays better than most adults?
I enjoyed all of them. Fourth Note was my favorite. I just really dig the way he approached it. can't argue with your pick, it was fabulous!
One of the hardest things to teach drummers and other musicians is how to swing but stay in the pocket at the the same time.
First spotted Jeff Porcaro drumming on early episodes of The Sonny & Cher Comedy Hour, and then got see him live with the duo on Sunday March 19, 1972 at a Fort Wayne, Indiana concert ... when he was still just 17 years old!
Michael at 17:14 is the one I vote for - the heads are tuned right for the song and he is cautious not to add too many ghost notes with his right hand - overall he is the guy to pick IMHO
None of us are Jeff. Jeff has unreal feel that is better than all of us. When I play it, I’m too fast or missing something. Respect to anyone who tries.
I love Nate. I bought his course, learned a ton. When I was just starting or was about to start learning drums, he replied to a question I posted on reddit. I didn't know he had a channel and that he taught drums. Really kind of him to weigh in on a clueless stranger soliciting insight.
That being said, my ego takes a hit when I watch his videos describing what a good drummer is. I get it, I'd be able to pick apart basketball players' abilities (because that's what I know). But still I can't nitpick these guys even I tried really hard; they sound spot on to me.
It's not Nate though; it's the internet. So many talented people. Even the idea of getting close to theur level appear implausible. And I've been banging on my cheap e-drums for 3.5 years now.
3.5 years is a good beginning. Most of these people have been playing for decades. Even Sina has been playing for about 10 years. So go easy on yourself, it takes time (and timing lol) to learn an instrument as complex as the drums.
@@castlehilldude this is encouraging. Thanks, I mean really!
This is good and you are a master of the dry humor.😂
This is fun, Jeff’s pocket/feel is just unmatched. Michael Alba, wow
"Real recognize real" had me loling...chops, insight, and sly humor. Love this channel
I think it was hard to find a bad example because anyone who can coherently play this song well on the drums is in the upper echelon of drumming
Great styles guyz...good drummers...keep rocking..
Would have been nice if you had included Yoyoka in your assessment because she can benefit from your expertise opinion!
This was so much fun to watch! Thanks, man!
My favorite is Andrea Mattia because he feels the triplet in a more laid-back way than the other guys. I can hear the spacing of every one of his ghost notes loud and clear. Not to mention he's playing with traditional grip and the little hi-hat inflections are tasty as heck!
That being said, I love how you're promoting these drummers around the world. Props to you and everyone else for giving their best shot!
I didn't like the triplet. It was something new to the song, but it didn't belong in THAT song.
All those little touches, like the way Steve leans in on certain kicks and heavy on the back beat is what made his playing feel so good.
Edit: I love when drummers sing along with the lyrics.
Yeah, have to agree. Alba nailed it. Amazing how little differences can make a huge change in the sound.
First time here. Great vid.
Toto’s work is really incredible. Even their early stuff was well developed and rounded.
I had the pleasure years ago of stumbling upon Jeff’s video of how he put together Rosanna. He had a fascinating depth of knowledge of theory and math and was able create music like a Good smooth whisky. We lost a great man in his death.
Cheers!
Hey 80/20 drummer, this was my favorite video of yours. Good for you placing yourself in the mix. Your Jazz background is ingrained in you, and hard to escape in this pop tune. I think 1 extra week of shedding on this tune would have brought up your delivery even more.
All great examples in this video. Including yourself.
Michael Alba one of the best Drummer in our country 🇵🇭
❤ In the intro, not all the ghost notes of the shuffle are played, the ghost notes are added in order and added together until we reach the shuffle that we know. All of this happens between the initial fill and the second time the verse is sung (from 0:00 to 0:39) It can be noticed if we listen to the drums isolated without instruments or voice. Jeff was a genius
The key to this song is getting a triplet feel, some of these covers have a 16th feel. No one quite gets it like Jeff did.
For me it's something like that, but there's also a laid-back coolness to Jeff's version. His shuffle just sounds easy and effortless, while it sounds a little "tenser" on a few of the other versions, and, though the beat is busy, it never feels "rushed" in Jeff's take on it, while in others it seems to feel a bit too "on top of the beat" or perhaps even pushing the beat.
Good concept and nicely executed. Put a lot of effort into this evaluation. A classic song and a real drumming challenge.
You missed one by yoyoka at age 9 it stacks up against these. Enjoyed them all thanks stay safe.
Naaaah.
@@genrrizeecuvsfatti4747 "yaaaaaaaaaaaah"
For Yoyoka at her age, she is in a league of her own. No comparable, period!!!
Who would not support their own country man? Hehehe😁
Always nice to see so many different versions of ONE epic rhythm!!
Could you do the same with the solo from "In the air tonight" ??
It seems like most of the drummers are playing very staccato on the hats in a downward motion compared to JP playing in a more push and pull, which gives it more dynamics and a smoother swing. Check out Todd Sucherman and how he explains the hat styles of Jeff.
Great observation on the inner gears and resulting that great groove. All wind-up watches have gears and springs, but Porcaro, like a fine Swiss piece, has more. Like ghost notes, these inner subtleties aren't meant to be obvious, just registered in the brain.
No!! you mean stiff!! All of them!!!!
As a producer who doesn't drum this was super educational. You can really feel the groove with Michael Alba's cover which makes such a big difference in musicality!
Where's Yoyoka's version?
Is it possible that this dude hasnt been clued in on Yoyoka yet? A baffling omission if he has though
@@scottbayliss3497 or doesn't want to hurt the older drummers feelings.🤔🧦
Deeply philosophical, analytical and enlightening. Music is a damn unfathomable rabbit hole!!!! It's eternal.
It shows what a good musician you are that after hearing it you changed you thought process nice job
I'm not a drummer, but I've played with drummers -- which means little.
But,
It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that ...
I agree on Alba.
What I get from this video?
Damn, there are a lot of great drummers and talented people out there.
Awesome.
Would’ve been interesting to discuss Simon Phillips’ version, who of course replaced Porcaro and has probably played this tune more than anyone alive.
Yes!
Simon really nailed Rosanna, especially on the 35th Anniversary! Took him some time to learn and to adapt the Groove, in 1992/1993 his version sounded very stiff and too fast. But he evolved - that shows what a great successor he was to Jeff.
A drummer in a bar one night mentioned Simon Philips playing for Toto. He ask , " Have you had a chance to hear Toto live with Simon Philps yet?". I went home to play it and listened. Philips is now one of my favorites since hearing him for the very first time.
Anyone else feel this way?
@@drumchaser6712 I 100% agree. He is one of the greats. Their are so many great drummers out there of all different styles it's like I discover someone new everyday.
Not being a musician but having a couple of piano lessons as a kid I encountered the Rosanna Shuffle back in 1982 as a friend was practising right next room on its drums. He was not on the level of any YT drummer you mentioned. But ... back in that time there was no video showing Jeff swinging the sticks, no lecture book and so on. We just repeadedly listend just the intro for an hour playing the lp and analyzing the beat.
Now 40 years later the shuffle is still ikonic like it was right after publishing the song. You recognize the song just on the first half second of Jeffs intro.
If I close my eyes, I swear I'm listening to Napoleon Dynamite giving a drummer's critic. I love it!!
Can't stop hearing it now.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Do the drummer's have large talons? All these drummers are good but they need more skills. You know like nunchuck skills, bow hunting skills, computer hacking skills. Girls only want drummers who have great skills!
That pile of broken cymbals reminds me of when I used to buy damaged cymbals in bulk, put them on the lathe to cut them down to remove the damage, then thin them out to the correct weight for their new size. I still have a few on my own kit, and it's probably been 15 years since I was lathing cymbals. I used to thin them for other drummers, I did a few Soultone prototypes back then, some prewar A Zildjians, a brand new Spizzichino ride for a friend, etc. I had to make a tool to perfectly match the finish of the Spizzichino. Those were some good times. I met a lot of really cool people back then!
Yoyoka knocks ot out of the park
I was waiting for someone to shout out the best! She is incredible.
What do you expect from a 9yr old who generally plays better than most adults? Just my humble opinion guys!
@@georgedaniel5319 copy pasted comment lol
True! Jeff didn’t ghost too much at the beginning of the tune on the recording, but he evolves the groove as the tune progresses and ghosts a helluva lot more as the tune progresses. This was a great video. I’m not critiquing anyone’s performance. I just really like that people digest music and everyone digests differently and this video demonstrates that very well. I appreciate everyone’s take on this lick. It’s not an easy one to play.
Alba is Best.
Economy is King.
Ghost notes, perfect.
yep, and he got one of the most important details, he didn't go all in with playing every ghost note right from the start! It's a shuffle, and the swung sixteenths need to be established before the triplet note between them becomes too much of a focus!
Two drummers I could never replicate properly...Vinnie Coliauta, and Jeff Porcaro! Nuh-uh!!! No way nopes!
Yoyoka, I'll say it again, Yoyoka!
Not really. Remarkable for a 10 year old but the bass drum is too weak compared to a heavy handed shuffle : it does not groove enough. I find all her other covers fantastic though.
@@duprattcarol I agree, it's pretty impressive for a 10 y/o and i read so many comments asking why she's not on the list and here's why. Her timing and ghost notes are not as clean as the ones on this video.
The person on cover 3 is Jimith Sirinandana who is a Sri Lankan legit Drummer.
That Michael Alba killed it but, everyone played this fine. I mean, it's a hard piece and if I'm being honest it's missing the transitions that are actually noticable and...only one of these people had a transition that was a little shaky.
th-cam.com/video/p8Cno21yO4c/w-d-xo.html
@kupal ka I love when people take time out of their day to tell me I'm wrong about something that is completely subjective...🙄
This was totally cool. Great post.
YOYOKO PLAYED IT BEST.
Naaah
"Yaaaaaaaaaah"
If we put in age as denominator Yoyoko could have been the best. But age aside - and only the playing as is - she still lack the finesse and feel that the others here have shown. But of course Yoyoko is still developing in this aspect.
What do you expect from a 9yr old who generally can play better than most adults? It's just my opinion guys!