Who Played it Best? The Rosanna Shuffle
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Original song, for reference: • Toto - Rosanna
Sina's Cover - • Rosanna (Toto); drum c...
Andrea Mattia's cover - • Toto - Rosanna - drum...
Fourth Note's cover - • JIMMY-ROSANNA-TOTO-DRU...
Avery Drummer Molek's cover - • ROSANNA - TOTO (Drum C...
Michael Alba's cover - • Rosanna by Toto | Drum...
Kyle Brian's cover - • Kyle Brian - Toto - Ro... - เพลง
0:45 Normal people: obsessed with Toto’s “Africa”.
Drummers: obsessed with Toto’s “Rosanna”.
Some drummers are obsessed with "Africa," as well. Jeff, Joe, and Lenny Castro - rhythm section of doom.
Drummers also should dig Pamela and These Chains... A Jedi Master of drumming indeed.
@@faustomadebr Hear, hear!
I hate Africa, and I am not a drummer.
Playing a shuffle while on pocket. 👌. It’s so rewarding.
NO ONE- NOBODY EVER played with the feel, the groove, the funk, the soul of El Jefe! Jeff was INCREDIBLE!
And lets not forget, Jeff didn't just learn and play all of these amazing tracks that he saw on the internet, he wrote them.
It's even more impressive when you consider what Steve Lukather said to Rick Beato the other day about how many takes Jeff would need in the studio. To over-simplify, the answer is...one.
I guess he must have written a lot of them, I don't much about much about it, but as David Paich wrote so many of the songs I suppose Jeff had the big input to the drums but where Rosanna is concerned his own description was that he "stole" from Bernard Purdie of Steely Dan and John Bonham of Led Zeppelin, he made his own hybrid and added a Bo Diddley beat so not much of it was original but the ability to see the potential and put it together was his strong point.
In Luke and Paich’s interview with the professor of rock…
They said the entire take on the album was the second take… solos and all.
No rehearsals.
Unbelievable.💪👍🥃
@@susanallan-c4828 he didn't steal he added new layers to love. He served the music first and foremost
I heard it took month to finish Rosanna and he overdub the breaks afterwards etc..
It was work in Progress and sure not finished in one take
@@TheHasenbock doesn’t matter it’s perfect however he did it
What’s most important is that Jeff made the ghosting sound like it wasn’t even there. Most of the covers ghosted way too much except the last young kid
Avery?
Exactly!!! And the guy who’s judging a nit picking can hardly play the fucking drums , that’s the only thing I’d add.
Yup. Well, almost. You can hear them part of the time but there's someof echo that's going on that kind of muddies them. But yes he's playing them softly and that's hard to do to come off something soft and then give that pop. That's why Jeff was who he was and played with Steely Dan on tour for a time period along with lots of other playing before being in Toto. If he trained in music (reading) he probably would have done a bit of other work too.
I'd say the last two drummers were fine on that. First two, not so much.
Hearing the isolated drums it sounds like they were gated out for the first half, but as it progresses you can hear the ghost notes more clearly in the later half. They're still technically there, just for the first half the studio gated the notes out to where you can barely hear it at first.
YUP!
Michael Alba was my drum teacher, and the final test in his first module is to play Rosanna. He literally had every note down because he wrote the sheet music himself. The best Filipino drummer ever in my opinion!
Michael Alba made the tip of the drum sticks sing the lyrics of the song...., this cover is contagious I'm 'infected' too hehehe
How about just Great Drummer ? I hate when we make race identity out of enjoyable situations. We are the Human Race.
@@gilbertestrada9858 I think it's good to be proud of your country and your people. However, I also look forward to a day when we treat eachother as people first and 'race' or 'ethnicity' second. Original I know...
I agree on that..kabayan! 😊
Si Willie Revillame parin ang #1 drummer. Lahat ng chicks lalapit at kakapit. 🤪🤪
All this did was make me really appreciate Jeff’s playing even more. His feel is unreal. Everybody sounded great but there is only one Jeff.
This ^ 100%
GREAT COMMENT. 100% AGREE !!!
You are all missing the point! The creator of the beat is no doubt, THE BEST! That's a given! And we all appreciate Jeff's contribution to the Drum world.
The concept of the post was to give tribute to the creator's legacy of creating one of the best drum patterns of music! ~and this was a study presention on those who covered it.
That's why there were assessments on several of them.
Jeff was a genius to combine Purdie Bonham and Bo Diddley into a shuffle
Their versions are both shuffles too
I prefer the Meatloaf Bat Out of Hell shuffle
@@pietzsche yes I know this I said he was genius to pull those two elements together in one to create a new one
#7 ● UNCHAINED MELODY
(originally by Todd Duncan)
Oh, my love
My darling
I've hungered for your touch
A long, lonely time
And time goes by so slowly
And time can do so much
Are you still mine?
I need your love
I need your love
God speed your love to me
Lonely rivers flow to the sea, to the sea
To the open arms of the sea
Yes, lonely rivers sigh, "Wait for me, wait for me
I'll be coming home, wait for me"
Oh, my love
My darling
I've hungered, hungered for your touch
A long, lonely time
And time goes by so slowly
And time can do so much
Are you still mine?
I need your love
I, I need your love
God speed your love to me..
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I never heard of Alba until today. His rendition was by far the best...kudos ,amigo!
Funny story. I met a guy a few years ago who’s mom knew Jeff in the 80’s. He knew I was a hack drummer so he was telling me how he got to hang out with him quite a bit and what a nice guy he was. He was shocked when I told him he was one of the all time greats and makes some top 10 lists of all time. I think it’s a real tribute to Jeff that a young kid that hung out with him when he was in one of the biggest bands in the world remembers him as a nice guy and not a “rock star”. It’s too bad he died so young.
Thanks for this great story!
Everyone did a great job, but Michael Alba’s ghost notes are Clean and effortless. His playing flows because of his technique and dynamics are very close to the original in my opinion. He plays with the confidence of maybe a Simon Phillips. Again he’s compact, smooth and effortless. In the end this all proves how really great Jeff was.
Michael Alba nailed its perfectly. Sound, groove and way it just sits in the song.
Michael Alba! Wow, well done. He plays with a confidence that I didnt hear from any other covers. Plus, hes super laid back and totally in the pocket.
Michael Alba's just felt SOOOO right and musical.
right?
Michael Alba NAILED that groove, tone-wise even in comparison to the following drummer
Michael Albas
Filipinos Forevrr
When I heard Alba I went "there, it's perfect" everybody else is pushing the feel. That guy is laid back, another proof that If you're relaxed and confident that's how the groove will sound
Yeah everyone else looked like they were concentrating hard and he was just laid back like it was a basic beat.
Exactly. The beat is almost supposed to feel a milli second behind. Like trying to catch up.
Agree
Yes, exactly. It's all about feel. I wish I could play that song half as good as these guys.
Avery Drummer Molek absolutely nailed it 👏 and made it look effortless 😉
The Yoyoka cover, done when she was just 10 years old, definitely should be included. She’s a drummer to keep an eye on.
I dont know how many times they repeated for this cover, but im sure Michael Alba only once, no editting or cleaning up mess fill, because it was done in front of his students 👌
Sounds right too
@@InYourDreams-Andia In your dreams
“Cancelled for breakfast”. I nearly spit my cereal 🥣
Suprised Yoyoka Soma isn't here. She does a wicked Purdie Suffle
same. That cute little gremlin kills it. It has to be one of the most difficult songs she plays.
A Purdie Soufflé?
@@thecrippledrummer I am the best at typos 😀
@@thecrippledrummer Yep, and I bet one day she will create her own drum beat that will have her name. She's that good.
What do you expect from a 9yr old who generally plays better than most adults?
Even when you play every note perfectly, you still don't have the feeling that Jeff put in to it. He is amazing
OMG YOU HAVE SIR MIKE HERE! HE'S A FAMOUS LEADING BEST DRUMMER, AND LEADING MUSIC TEACHER HERE IN THE PHILIPPINES. A LEGEND I SAY!
Another fact he Graduated at the LOS ANGELES MUSIC ACADEMY (LAMA) Major in Drums!
"Of course, I get cancelled for breakfast." LOL
This is one of those grooves I've practiced and played for years and some days I still nail it better than others. Its such a vibe and feel. Same with bonhams.
I agree with your top pic. He also seems to be the most relaxed with doing this cover.
By the way Michael Alba’s cover is OUTSTANDING! Spot on! And the sound of his drum set wooow!
th-cam.com/video/p8Cno21yO4c/w-d-xo.html
There can never be too much attention paid to the Rosanna Shuffle. I saw Dennis Chambers use it as a demonstration of how to take something iconic and make it your own. This was back in the mid-90s, so I’ve been thinking about it for awhile myself. Thanks for another very enjoyable video.
Dennis plays a version of it during the chorus of this tune with scofield - th-cam.com/video/-e35UeLoh50/w-d-xo.html
Dennis Chambers...one of the first instructional videos I bought....way back on vhs...haha
I liked the last drummer having Fun doing his thing.
That’s how I learned 40 yrs ago.
Had I put so much emphasis on perfection, I probably wouldn’t have
as much originality and diversity in my playing style today. If I cover a song your going to get me.
The secret to a quality "Rosanna Shuffle" is the hi-hat groove and the subtle, yet consistent ghost notes on the snare.
sir Alba probably the greatest in the Philippines, especially his influence, traveling around the country giving master classes 👌👌👌
Michael Alba is one of the best teacher here in the Philippines.. inch by inch detail by detail
Proud student here!!!😊😊😊✌️✌️
I loved your coverage! Great cut aways from segments and then back into the content! Hilarious and enjoyable...
Makes you appreciate Jeff even more…The air in his ghost notes, the dance between the kick and the snare, the simple perfection in his high hat shuffle. If you wanna rate a drummer’s skill listen to his shuffle, NOBODY did it better than Jeff.
I have been spending last few weeks working on my Purdie shuffle, Rosanna, fool in the rain half time shuffle. It has taken me very long time to start getting my ghost notes together . Watched a bunch of different TH-cam guides and each one helped me with things to practice, started very slow, then kept increasing tempo, Finally after 3 weeks it’s finally starting to sound good to me where i dont want to throw my sticks down in anger and quit
Michael Alba’s is the best. Absolutely. I always loved that one
Alba was my pick after the first 3 seconds. That guy is on it!
Nate's always a winner! I give him a 10 for the guts to put himself out there! 🥁❤
Proud student here of Michael Alba he's a world class drummer!🥁🥁🥁👍👍👍
I was at that Michael Alba drum clinic (you can see me sporting a gray shirt and bobbing my head along with the groove). Overall, every drummer involved had their own little flavor. I'm glad that you posted your short cover, too.
the power of music, amazing how it can translate millions of details, even when you are up there just a really freaking good drummer, playing the parts. the playing stills displays rushing, fun, stress on the hat, confidence, style or many very HUMAN attributes. there is no way to hear 5 secs of someone playing and NOT feel something very unique and sublte, that vehicule is just the beauty of that art, it carries your soul even in a short example, it just amazes me every day.
Jeff’s work on Jackson Browne’s The Prentender, is some of his best. The whole song is in such a tight pocket
Such a good song.
Great lyrics.👍🥃
"complete stranger reacts to absolutely nothing". Pissed myself thanks.
This is fun, Jeff’s pocket/feel is just unmatched. Michael Alba, wow
They were ALL "stiff" with it, but, Michael Alba, was the LEAST stiff. When I practice shuffles like this, Bernard Purdie is the 1st person that comes to mind. His touch, was RIDICULOUS! Plus, he had FUN with shuffles like this, & I think THAT'S the missing element when covering songs like this.
Simon Phillips is one of the best drummers on earth, and he played Rosanna with Toto vastly differently than Jeff. Of the four drummers compared in this video, the fellow calling himself 'Fourth Note' had this down-pat. The average listener isn't looking for perfection compared to the record. They just want it to sound awesome, and there are a lot of ways to make a song sound awesome.
I love that Nate is just trying the whole time to not cheese the camera
This was so much fun to watch! Thanks, man!
Such an awesome video!! Thank you so much!!!
I agree, but what about Yoyoka?:-)
Michael Alba is a beast.
Theres another thing to note. Michael Alba is playing to a live audience (a drum clinic) unlike the other covers reviewed in this video.
Yeah! No contest! Mike alba is a pro who played for a lot of artists in the States & here in Asia.
Him and Nate were the only drummers here where I liked the pocket and the groove. Everyone else came off as a bit stiff to me. Still great but not relaxed enough.
Do not think so, where is ghost note? There must be a ghost note between hi hat shuffle groove, that is why groove feels like go and stop.
Especially after snare beat, no ghost note.
The lesson I learnt after watching this was.........just how good the young girl Sina is as a drummer ...!
Thank you for your help and your amazing ❤️
Would have been nice if you had included Yoyoka in your assessment because she can benefit from your expertise opinion!
I'm taking a selfish opportunity to say that I love Jeff! He's my all-time top influence, and yes, an absolute Jedi master.. Thank you for giving us reason to keep him relevant and never forgotten. Great (funny) video - like always!
Great analysis! Thanks
"Real recognize real" had me loling...chops, insight, and sly humor. Love this channel
The key to this song is getting a triplet feel, some of these covers have a 16th feel. No one quite gets it like Jeff did.
For me it's something like that, but there's also a laid-back coolness to Jeff's version. His shuffle just sounds easy and effortless, while it sounds a little "tenser" on a few of the other versions, and, though the beat is busy, it never feels "rushed" in Jeff's take on it, while in others it seems to feel a bit too "on top of the beat" or perhaps even pushing the beat.
Yoyoka knocks ot out of the park
I was waiting for someone to shout out the best! She is incredible.
What do you expect from a 9yr old who generally plays better than most adults? Just my humble opinion guys!
@@georgedaniel5319 copy pasted comment lol
It's the kick on Michael Alba's cover that elevates it above all the others for me. Perfect timing, perfect tone
You actually had the best dynamics. From verse to semi, to chorus, the dynamic change is the best out here.
no way...
Learned under Master Michael Alba here in the Philippines he really does pay very close attention to every detail. Congrats to him well deserved!!!
Alba is Best.
Economy is King.
Ghost notes, perfect.
yep, and he got one of the most important details, he didn't go all in with playing every ghost note right from the start! It's a shuffle, and the swung sixteenths need to be established before the triplet note between them becomes too much of a focus!
Love all of it! I don't care who wins... great to see these great players, compliments of YOU!
The person on cover 3 is Jimith Sirinandana who is a Sri Lankan legit Drummer.
Michael Alba one of the best Drummer in our country 🇵🇭
Would’ve been interesting to discuss Simon Phillips’ version, who of course replaced Porcaro and has probably played this tune more than anyone alive.
Yes!
Simon really nailed Rosanna, especially on the 35th Anniversary! Took him some time to learn and to adapt the Groove, in 1992/1993 his version sounded very stiff and too fast. But he evolved - that shows what a great successor he was to Jeff.
A drummer in a bar one night mentioned Simon Philips playing for Toto. He ask , " Have you had a chance to hear Toto live with Simon Philps yet?". I went home to play it and listened. Philips is now one of my favorites since hearing him for the very first time.
Anyone else feel this way?
@@drumchaser6712 I 100% agree. He is one of the greats. Their are so many great drummers out there of all different styles it's like I discover someone new everyday.
Awesome!! and your Sense of humour unmatched, best song 👍
cover three for me that hihat and snare at 6;21ish.. brilliant... the whole thing stands out to me
what about Yoyoka?
I think it was hard to find a bad example because anyone who can coherently play this song well on the drums is in the upper echelon of drumming
This was totally cool. Great post.
Great styles guyz...good drummers...keep rocking..
I'm not a drummer, but I've played with drummers -- which means little.
But,
It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that ...
I agree on Alba.
Bernard Purdie . It has been called the “Purdie shuffle” every since he played it. Bonham’s take on it is hands down the best interpretation since.
If I close my eyes, I swear I'm listening to Napoleon Dynamite giving a drummer's critic. I love it!!
Can't stop hearing it now.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Do the drummer's have large talons? All these drummers are good but they need more skills. You know like nunchuck skills, bow hunting skills, computer hacking skills. Girls only want drummers who have great skills!
Woaaahhhh! You have chosen my favorite drummer in my country. That makes me proud. Thanks
Really enjoyed your critiques & commentary in general, great vidya!
The beat is just the Purdie shuffle, triplet variation but the reason it’s so good is the consistency, when playing this song you need consistency which is one of the best drum
Ideas ever
"Just" the Purdie Shuffle ? Really ?
@@branwerks6978 Ok the base of what is played is the Purdue shuffle, that’s how I learned to play the song... then adding doubles as n every other ghost note
Agreed benard purdie is the dude
Porcaro said that he blended the Purdie half-time shuffle with Bonham's shuffle groove from Fool in the Rain, and added a Bo Diddley figure in the bass.
@@JohnSmith-oe5kx exactly
No mention of Bernard Purdie as the 'fountain' of this groove?
just another black man not getting any credit.
I was waiting for that all vid. Do you know if pocaro credits purdie at all?
@@CaptMang I'm so ashamed of being white. I think I'll just crawl under a rock. Maybe leave all my possessions to the BLM organization.
@@robsmalls9656 Yeah, it's hard to listen to certain artists nowadays. music I rocked out to in high school sounds a lot different nowadays... it's hard to ignore how little credit black musicians receive.
@@panchoantonetti5057 Porcaro does and graciously so on his Dec. 7, 2017 video. He says he "stole" it from Purdie and blended it with a piece by Bonham.
Cool. What an idea!
I went to M.I. (P.I.T) Hollywood, CA. in 1999 - 2000. It was at that time still part of our curriculum. I heard guys play this every single day. Happy to say that I now teach, and have taught this shuffle for 20+ years.
I think you're right on point about this groove needing to be so solid, yet requiring a lot of finesse, from the ghost notes to that bass drum shuffle. This is definitely an iconic groove.
I think it would be interesting to do a comparison between the Fool in the Rain shuffle, the Purdie shuffle, and the Rosanna shuffle. Even though they're so similar they all have their own feel and it's interesting to analyze what each drummer does with it.
Similarly, a comparison and analysis of Charles Connor's version of the "Keep a Knockin'" intro th-cam.com/video/PcJrExewkYA/w-d-xo.html open.spotify.com/track/7j2yNW7bjEHfRirQddwOLQ (done under the creative direction of the Greatest himself, of course blog.ponderosastomp.com/2017/09/keep-knockin-charles-connor/ ) and Earl Palmer's version from the Vee-Jay recording th-cam.com/video/70GSplzvEp4/w-d-xo.html open.spotify.com/track/3hReJLogNu7kDzBmSKbQHe . (Bonham's tribute th-cam.com/video/RCN6eRVav5k/w-d-xo.html open.spotify.com/track/4PRGxHpCpF2yoOHYKQIEwD sounds as if it's based more on the Earl Palmer version.) Anyone who can explain the differences and the things in common, and then reproduce them on the kit, knows a thing or two about backbeat drumming.
"When The levee Breaks" has a pretty good shuffle to it as well.
Nate - Well hung back on that beat - In the Pocket. Can you imagine Stuart Copeland I'm quite sure he would be in the pocket the other way on the beat.
I'm gonna get killed for this, but man Stewart Copeland is like a bull in a china shop on the kit. It's not clean at all, imo. And the f-ed up way he holds his left stick...what the hell is that? It's like non-traditional traditional (he holds it in between his thumb and FOREFINGER on the left hand). I actually don't think Copeland is capable of making a half-time shuffle sound funky at all.
@@AlexMPruteanu Copeland has said his left hand grip allowed him to get a bigger sound than the traditional er traditional grip.
@@ramongoroth < I read that too a while ago. But....kit is mic-ed. Mics have gates. The harder you hit the more the gate closes. Again, baffled by Copeland in general. He also said he grew up on Jazz, courtesy of his father, and he hated jazz. As a drummer, that's very odd. I don't hate any type of music. And Jazz, as a drummer, should be like the Promised Land.
Everyone did an awesome job 👍👍
Got another one from my favourite drummergirl Kanade Sato. It's a Toto medley and Rosanna starts at 3:00 - th-cam.com/video/pcQzpPY5TqM/w-d-xo.html
The Rosanna Shuffle is one of those grooves that has had drummers obsessing over it since the beginning of time itself.. . It's so bloody hard to get it perfect!
And I still haven't heard anyone get it right yet. People use too many ghost notes. If you listen to Porcaro's soloed version, he's hardly using any ghost notes at all, and even though he does start to add some more ghost notes a bit into the tune, he's still not adding anywhere near as many as pretty much every cover out there. I guess it's a tricky groove to do correctly with ghost notes, and downright almost impossible to do correctly without ghost notes.
@@michaelcaplin8969 the only person who could play the groove like Porcaro, is Porcaro. You're never gonna get that feel, that exact feel.
Yoyoka, I'll say it again, Yoyoka!
Not really. Remarkable for a 10 year old but the bass drum is too weak compared to a heavy handed shuffle : it does not groove enough. I find all her other covers fantastic though.
@@duprattcarol I agree, it's pretty impressive for a 10 y/o and i read so many comments asking why she's not on the list and here's why. Her timing and ghost notes are not as clean as the ones on this video.
Snare hand control for the ghost notes, hi-hat shuffle feel, and overall volume between the hands are the keys to pulling this groove off.
Great Video...I agree and enjoyed the Video...Thanks!!
I love Nate. I bought his course, learned a ton. When I was just starting or was about to start learning drums, he replied to a question I posted on reddit. I didn't know he had a channel and that he taught drums. Really kind of him to weigh in on a clueless stranger soliciting insight.
That being said, my ego takes a hit when I watch his videos describing what a good drummer is. I get it, I'd be able to pick apart basketball players' abilities (because that's what I know). But still I can't nitpick these guys even I tried really hard; they sound spot on to me.
It's not Nate though; it's the internet. So many talented people. Even the idea of getting close to theur level appear implausible. And I've been banging on my cheap e-drums for 3.5 years now.
3.5 years is a good beginning. Most of these people have been playing for decades. Even Sina has been playing for about 10 years. So go easy on yourself, it takes time (and timing lol) to learn an instrument as complex as the drums.
@@castlehilldude this is encouraging. Thanks, I mean really!
One of the hardest things to teach drummers and other musicians is how to swing but stay in the pocket at the the same time.
It’s interesting and also informative, thanks.
That pile of broken cymbals reminds me of when I used to buy damaged cymbals in bulk, put them on the lathe to cut them down to remove the damage, then thin them out to the correct weight for their new size. I still have a few on my own kit, and it's probably been 15 years since I was lathing cymbals. I used to thin them for other drummers, I did a few Soultone prototypes back then, some prewar A Zildjians, a brand new Spizzichino ride for a friend, etc. I had to make a tool to perfectly match the finish of the Spizzichino. Those were some good times. I met a lot of really cool people back then!
This and “Fool in the Rain” , Zeppelins John Bonham. Iconic shuffle in a rock song.
Which Porcaro blended in with Purdie's shuffle here.
Hahaha! You're making that, "this is harder than it sounds" face. :-D Also, you were way too nice to Sina and her hi-hats.
Damn,great review and an outstanding to all
This is good and you are a master of the dry humor.😂
It seems like most of the drummers are playing very staccato on the hats in a downward motion compared to JP playing in a more push and pull, which gives it more dynamics and a smoother swing. Check out Todd Sucherman and how he explains the hat styles of Jeff.
Great observation on the inner gears and resulting that great groove. All wind-up watches have gears and springs, but Porcaro, like a fine Swiss piece, has more. Like ghost notes, these inner subtleties aren't meant to be obvious, just registered in the brain.
No!! you mean stiff!! All of them!!!!
My favorite is Andrea Mattia because he feels the triplet in a more laid-back way than the other guys. I can hear the spacing of every one of his ghost notes loud and clear. Not to mention he's playing with traditional grip and the little hi-hat inflections are tasty as heck!
That being said, I love how you're promoting these drummers around the world. Props to you and everyone else for giving their best shot!
I didn't like the triplet. It was something new to the song, but it didn't belong in THAT song.
This was a fun video to watch!
Good concept and nicely executed. Put a lot of effort into this evaluation. A classic song and a real drumming challenge.